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Syrian military can share NATO technology with Russia

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Acting in Syria, the Russian military receive not only combat experience, but also the opportunity to learn some Western technologies, Lev Romanov writes in an article for Messenger of Mordovia.


Syrian military can share NATO technology with Russia


For many years, the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries were the main arms suppliers to Syria. Western products came into the country in very limited quantities, the author notes. So France delivered the SA 342 Gazelle helicopters, "which, acting as anti-tank, showed themselves very well in 1982 in battles with the Israeli tanks».

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, when free aid came to naught and a solid currency was needed to acquire it, Syria began to look for cheaper options in countries that can hardly be called advanced in the field of armaments.

However, apart from this stories It looks like a deal with the Italian defense industry. “Specialists from the Apennines have contracted to upgrade the T-72. It should be noted that they proposed a fairly modern automated fire control system with the designation TURMS-T (Tank Universal Reconfiguration Modular System T-series - tank), ”the author writes.



The same OMS stands on the Italian main tanks C1 Ariete, as well as on “wheeled combat vehicles with heavy armament B1 Centauro, BMP VCC-80 DARDO and on modernized Czech tanks T-72CZ,” the newspaper notes.

According to him, “the monocular sight of the gunner-operator is stabilized in two planes, has a laser range finder, a second-generation thermal imager.” The sight is interfaced with a digital ballistic computer.



Information for shooting is displayed on the screen, which is placed in the eyepiece of the sight. The target detection range is up to 5 km in the afternoon and up to 4 km at night.



With the modernization of the machines was equipped with a panoramic sight of the tank commander. They also have stabilization in the 2-x planes and a thermal imager.

“Of course, these developments cannot be called the last word of science and technology, but they can cause a certain interest among our specialists. Let us recall how the upgraded Georgian T-72 SIM1 were run in Kubinka. And these Syrian tanks are much more perfect in terms of the internal filling, ”writes Romanov.



According to him, “now it would be useful to act as NATO members”, who are trying to get at their disposal any Russian military equipment, even if it has been in service for many years.

“Moreover, the modernized Syrian seventy-twenties will be able to become one of the most interesting exhibits of the exhibition of the Tank Museum in Kubinka later,” the author believes.
Photos used:
http://vestnik-rm.ru/
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  1. Egevich
    Egevich 7 October 2015 16: 42 New
    42
    one cannot neglect the fruits of the human mind, even such a special one ...
  2. sinukvl
    sinukvl 7 October 2015 16: 43 New
    20
    They can’t, but they will share it if they have not already shared it.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 8 October 2015 08: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: sinukvl
      They can’t, but they will share it if they have not already shared it.

      They shared it without a doubt. It's just that they are doing it officially now.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 8 October 2015 17: 52 New
        +1
        Nevertheless, admit that it is not good that the Italian designs of the outdated generation are considered to be quite advanced in our country. But once the USSR was the leader and locomotive of world electronics ... Only long ago it was. When they built MESM. And after their developments they abandoned and began to copy outdated American cars - Khrushchev tried. We are still reaping the fruits - we do not have our own competitive processor: Elbrus is a military one and also uses the outdated VLIW architecture, and even the monstrous topology of 60 nm, and Baikal is a copy of British ARM. And in optics the situation is even worse: already during the time of Stalin, in this area we had a strategic lag, and it was such that the Germans loved to play shooting on their Panthers. In connection with the complete seam ... I read that even during the years of the Finnish campaign, the Germans even had an excellent radio station on training wedges ... And we only approached this in the war finale and only in the guard units. Yet the others continued to wave flags. And what’s the most annoying, these three whales of the modern army - electronics, optics and communications - are still in deep touch with us. So stuck in the fifties, while technology countries are torn in the twenty-second century and no one can stop them.
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  3. 740
    740 7 October 2015 16: 46 New
    +1
    Reasonably. For what demon NATO technologies are needed. All the same, they never produced anything.
  4. Vik66
    Vik66 7 October 2015 16: 47 New
    14
    On the tank more than one DZ cube can not be seen, but the sight is "fancy". winked
  5. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 7 October 2015 16: 47 New
    +5
    Dismantle, assemble, shoot - and to the museum.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 7 October 2015 17: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: iliitch
      Dismantle, assemble, shoot - and to the museum.

      And to remove the drawings and give them to the developers - maybe that's interesting for future constructs and they are accumulating ...
  6. Smoked
    Smoked 7 October 2015 16: 51 New
    19
    It would be better if they brought Abrash to Cuba from Yemen!
    1. Mooh
      Mooh 7 October 2015 17: 13 New
      +5
      They’ll drag him to another place.
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      2. Aposlya
        Aposlya 10 October 2015 08: 57 New
        0
        so they burned down, what to drag there?
    2. afrikanez
      afrikanez 7 October 2015 18: 14 New
      10
      And why drag from Yemen, Lithuania is nearby, you can also compromise them laughing
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 7 October 2015 19: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: afrikanez
        And why drag from Yemen, Lithuania is nearby, you can also compromise them

        what Well it is possible, but how to export it from there? it’s heavy, the trucks won’t pull, the tractor fawn belay
        1. Yura
          Yura 7 October 2015 22: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Corsair
          and how to export it from there? he is heavy, the trucks will not pull, the tractor fawn belay

          With its own move, Lithuania simply has nothing to stop. hi
      2. Aposlya
        Aposlya 10 October 2015 08: 58 New
        0
        the Lithuanians with the dough strained, so that they will sell! smile
  7. dojjdik
    dojjdik 7 October 2015 16: 51 New
    14
    the cruise ship launches were made by igilovites and not by anyone but the Caspian flotilla, if true, then well done Shoigu
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    2. gjv
      gjv 7 October 2015 17: 14 New
      12
      Quote: dojjdik
      the cruise ship launches were made by igilovites and not by anyone but the Caspian flotilla, if true, then well done Shoigu

      Tonight, the naval strike group (KUG) of the Russian Navy, consisting of the Dagestan missile ship, the small missile ships Grad Sviyazhsk, Uglich, and Veliky Ustyug, struck infrastructure objects with cruise missiles of the Caliber complex from the Caspian Sea water area ISIS in Syria.
  8. kil 31
    kil 31 7 October 2015 16: 51 New
    22
    Abrash must be taken away from a dozen ISIS. Let our engines look, maybe there’s some interesting gadget there. The electronics of the tank will be inspected. We must somehow coordinate with our falcons, otherwise they wet everything that moves and does not move.
    1. clidon
      clidon 7 October 2015 21: 21 New
      +1
      Engines from "Abrams" 35 years ago. And electronics and armor are still exported. especially in Iranian cars.
  9. 79807420129
    79807420129 7 October 2015 16: 54 New
    15
    Once give it is necessary to take.
  10. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 7 October 2015 16: 58 New
    +8
    Let us recall how the modernized Georgian T-72 SIM1 circled in Kubinka. And these Syrian tanks - much more perfect in terms of internal filling "


    Well, if the Georgian were interesting, and the author writes that the Syrian is even more interesting, of course it is necessary to study. Another's experience is always interesting, especially with regard to night vision devices and thermal imagers. yes
  11. Orlenok ILLI4A
    Orlenok ILLI4A 7 October 2015 16: 58 New
    -1
    There will be an abrams, I have no doubt. I wanted to ask, you don’t feel offended by heavy fuel oil, you’re moroman when it comes to business, but what do you mean:) Knock yourself a couple of goals :)
  12. Abbra
    Abbra 7 October 2015 17: 01 New
    +4
    Damn, I’d like to see the disassembled Obama!
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 7 October 2015 17: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Abbra
      Damn, I’d like to see the disassembled Obama!

      At the pathologist, as the time comes ...
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 7 October 2015 17: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Abbra
      Damn, I’d like to see the disassembled Obama!

      At the pathologist, as the time comes ...
    3. HAM
      HAM 7 October 2015 17: 40 New
      +2
      Obamsha said that nothing interesting, only the language is long .. if, of course, you are talking about Barak Abramovich.
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 7 October 2015 18: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Abbra
      Damn, I’d like to see the disassembled Obama!

      Will the circuit go? hi
      1. Fox
        Fox 7 October 2015 19: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Bayonet
        Will the circuit go?

        wrong scheme ... no tail!
    5. ssn18
      ssn18 7 October 2015 19: 42 New
      +1
      And why only on the barracks of Husseinovich? There is more than enough scum. Kerry, etc.
    6. Evpatiy.
      Evpatiy. 8 October 2015 03: 25 New
      0
      For defects? 100% is BARAK!
  13. awersa
    awersa 7 October 2015 17: 04 New
    +2
    Well, well - these dividends are always quite by the way
  14. raid14
    raid14 7 October 2015 17: 08 New
    +8
    Our military specialists need to study samples of Western equipment. War 08.08. It showed the backlog of the Russian military-industrial complex in encrypted communications systems, UAVs, battle control systems, tank control systems, etc. For 7 years, a great deal of work has been done in re-equipping the Russian troops with modern weapons, which is now being demonstrated in Syria.
  15. roskot
    roskot 7 October 2015 17: 10 New
    +1
    Yes, they probably already shared it. And our specialists will find where to adapt.
  16. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 7 October 2015 17: 11 New
    37
    The genesis of the relationship of individual comrades to the participation of the Russian Federation in the fighting in Syria:
    1. Putin will not be solved.
    2. Well no.
    3. No.
    4. Yes, where? ..
    5. Where is he going? !!
    6. Everything. Now everything is exactly.
    7. They began to bomb. Do they have something to bomb? Oh, do not make me laugh.
    8. Oh, do not tell "did not hit the civilians." How - we know ...
    9. They did not get into civilians? Damn, did they get into ISIS? Are they completely crazy? In the LIH same - living people!
    10. Ahhhh! They bombed a kindergarten LIH !!! ..
    11. Well, it was not a kindergarten and not LIH. It was a hospital in Afghan Kunduz and it was bombed by the Yankees. But after all - from the best intentions. Not like this Putin ...
    12. Soon they will be exhausted. See - see how nervously the wing guy pulls in Su-25? All this cramps! Ah, was he only aiming for the dumping of the mine? ..
    13. We all consulted here and decided that it was time to put an end to this. Therefore, as a sign of contempt, we stop writing, thinking and talking about it. Let's leave for communication only middle fingers, hehe. And overthrow the bloody.
    14. Today, not one, but two Russians in Syria got into the shot. This indicates the undoubted accumulation of forces for the deliberately failed land offensive. And how the land offensives end for the Russians - we know, yeah! .. Who said "the capture of Berlin"? Where is this traitor ?!
    15. Strange, but four days have passed, and Putin did not start a ground attack. Must-be - completely exhausted, poor thing. And exhausted. All tyranny is doomed.
    16. They began to launch missiles from ships at ISIS. Rockets! They, it turns out, have rockets! The latter, of course. It’s just that all Putin’s planes have already been beaten up, so we have to blow the remnants of military weakness ... Ha-ha-ha, we will answer this. Right in the face of the TV. Mode - FSE. So write it down.
    17. They are launching rockets again.
    18. And throw bombs.
    19. And do not let ground troops into battle. Otherwise, they would have long been bogged down and lined everything! ..
    20. Stacks of their dead! Shta-be-la-mi!
    21. Ahhh ... They are just scared. Yes. Therefore - this is all. But we know! ..
    22. Bombs again, rockets again.
    23. Once upon a time it should end! Where does Soros just look? ..
    24. They hit again. Not in that sense, but in ISIS.
    25. Yes ё! ..
    26. Come on!..
    27. Yes Yeperny theater! ..
    28. And figs with them ... You worry about them, you worry - and no gratitude !!!
    https://twitter.com/tvrain/status/651724656429395968

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    2. win
      win 7 October 2015 18: 18 New
      +2
      How cute - lamb ...
  17. EVIL KOLORAD
    EVIL KOLORAD 7 October 2015 17: 41 New
    +1
    That is the P-e-n-d-o-s-siya so jumps ... already and Igilovtsev recorded herself as a friend ...))
  18. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 7 October 2015 17: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: dojjdik
    the cruise ship launches were made by igilovites and not by anyone but the Caspian flotilla, if true, then well done Shoigu

    Missiles flew from the Caspian Sea not only over the territory of Russia and Syria. Apparently, the launches were agreed with other countries where there is air defense.
  19. Professor
    Professor 7 October 2015 17: 46 New
    +1
    Syrian military can share NATO technology with Russia

    Big minus article. negative In Syria, there was no trace of NATO technology. Syria has never produced anything NATO. The author would have to learn what the term "technology" means.
    1. anti-Semite
      anti-Semite 7 October 2015 17: 55 New
      10
      all technologies in Israel, miserable goyim, in principle, can not do anything)))))))))
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 7 October 2015 19: 53 New
        +3
        Yes, yes :) But seriously, they are brainy in Israel, of course, but not so much that they feel dry and comfortable if they make Russia angry. Palestinians with slingshots are one thing; Palestinians with enough modern weapons are quite another. And if they think that their numerous intelligence services completely exclude such a possibility, then they still have a big surprise! :)
    2. raid14
      raid14 7 October 2015 18: 05 New
      11
      Do not forget that ISIS is fighting in Syria not so long ago emptied the stocks of Iraq's arsenals, generously filled with the United States. Among other things, there are Abrams tanks, Hamvee army all-terrain vehicles, MK-19 grenade launchers and other American weapons.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 7 October 2015 18: 10 New
        +7
        Quote: raid14
        Abrams tanks, Hamvee army all-terrain vehicles, MK-19 grenade launchers and other American weapons

        These are finished samples. technicians. Not technology.

        Quote: Professor
        Syria has never produced anything NATO. The author would learn what the term "technology" means

        The professor is right in this case. You and anti-Semite - no.

        At the same time, it is clear that the technique can (and should) be gutted into elements in search of new knowledge. On the basis of which (new knowledge) - you can already think about some new technologies.

        But in any case - this is a long process, and not "the Syrians have shared" yes
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 7 October 2015 18: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          The author would have to learn what the term "technology" means.

          Quote: Cat Man Null
          These are ready-made samples of equipment. Not technology.


          absolutely fair.
          Comrade Lev Romanov for the Messenger of Mordovia, sorry, he wrote nonsense.
          1. ssn18
            ssn18 7 October 2015 19: 48 New
            0
            I wrote it the other day regarding the credibility of the publication you mentioned and the people who wrote there, so they got it. Although all this shnyaga is absolutely violet to me.
        2. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 7 October 2015 18: 24 New
          +8
          After all, it is clear what was being said about the technology, the study of which will open the curtain over technology. You as bank lawyers - just to get some letters.
          1. Professor
            Professor 7 October 2015 18: 30 New
            0
            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            After all, it’s clear what was discussed - about technology, the study of which will open the curtain on technology

            No, it's not clear. Here "Western technologies" are written in black to the Russians and repeatedly.
            Learning technology will not open the curtain on technology. Learn damask blades. Do you now have Damascus technology? wink
            1. Mikhail Krapivin
              Mikhail Krapivin 7 October 2015 19: 57 New
              +2
              That you tell the Chinese. They will laugh.
              1. Aleks28
                Aleks28 7 October 2015 23: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                That you tell the Chinese. They will laugh.

                They do "laugh" at the technology of manufacturing engines for their analogue, Our Su-27, but they don't buy engines in Russia, just like the Americans do over Our RD, although both have product samples ... wink Possession of a sample is not the possession of technology. And there are millions of such examples.
            2. hrych
              hrych 7 October 2015 22: 50 New
              0
              Something like that, Colleague
              http://kovnosh.ucoz.ru/publ/kovka_shlifovka/damask_i_bulat/2-1-0-30
            3. zvereok
              zvereok 7 October 2015 22: 53 New
              0
              The world is made in His likeness.
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 7 October 2015 18: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            it was a question of technology, the study of which will open the curtain on technology

            Maybe it will open slightly .. or maybe it will not .. agree, this is not at all what

            ... share NATO technologies with Russia

            No.
            1. poquello
              poquello 8 October 2015 00: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Quote: Eugene-Eugene
              it was a question of technology, the study of which will open the curtain on technology

              Maybe it will open slightly .. or maybe it will not .. agree, this is not at all what

              ... share NATO technologies with Russia

              No.

              what ??? "to share NATO technology with Russia" implies a completely different meaning, everything is written correctly, and the professor is not Russian for a long time
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 8 October 2015 00: 46 New
                0
                Quote: poquello
                her ???

                Mancho ..

                Quote: poquello
                "to share NATO equipment with Russia" implies a completely different meaning

                What kind of one?

                Quote: poquello
                everything is written correctly

                Where? What is right?

                Quote: poquello
                professor is no longer Russian

                And I - a long time Russian .. so what?
                1. poquello
                  poquello 8 October 2015 01: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: Cat Man Null

                  Quote: poquello
                  everything is written correctly

                  Where? What is right?

                  Acting in Syria, the Russian military receive not only combat experience, but also the opportunity to learn some Western technologies, ...

                  that's bad luck, the author forgot especially for you to write that the LMS is a technique
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 8 October 2015 01: 26 New
                    +1
                    Quote: poquello
                    MSA is technique

                    Soooo .. right ..

                    Only - and where does this?

                    Russian military receive not only combat experience, but also opportunity to learn some western technologieswrites Lev Romanov

                    The difference between "technique" and "technology" is detailed above.

                    Indeed, all wink
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 8 October 2015 01: 38 New
                      0
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Only - and where does this?

                      Russian military receive not only combat experience, but also opportunity to learn some western technologieswrites Lev Romanov

                      The difference between "technique" and "technology" is detailed above.

                      opportunity to study some western technology

                      according to the received samples. It’s not Syria that will teach technology, we’ll figure it out for ourselves, Damascus ё-mine
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 8 October 2015 10: 06 New
                        0
                        Quote: poquello
                        the opportunity to study some Western technologies from the samples received

                        Duc .. it’s been told to you twenty times before .. what is breaking through the open door?

                        Quote: poquello
                        It’s not Syria that will teach technology, we’ll figure it out for ourselves

                        Right And this is also twenty times before you have already been told.

                        This is to read first what people say. Then comprehend. And only then, if you have something to say, sculpt comments.

                        In order not to look .. silly yes
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 8 October 2015 22: 06 New
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null

                        Right And this is also twenty times before you have already been told.

                        but it seems a little to you, everything is written in the article, and where is the professor right?
                      3. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 8 October 2015 22: 11 New
                        +1
                        Quote: poquello
                        everything is written in the article, and where is the professor right?

                        (thoughtfully): I'll start swearing obscenities ..

                        - article title: "The Syrians Share Technology"
                        - Professor: not with technology, but with models of technology
                        - me: the professor is right

                        What - more - is it incomprehensible to you ?? fool
                      4. poquello
                        poquello 8 October 2015 22: 48 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Quote: poquello
                        everything is written in the article, and where is the professor right?

                        (thoughtfully): I'll start swearing obscenities ..

                        - article title: "The Syrians Share Technology"
                        - Professor: not with technology, but with models of technology
                        - me: the professor is right

                        - I: Syrians will share technology - it looks much dumber in the title of this article.
                        What - more - is it incomprehensible to you ?? fool
                      5. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 8 October 2015 22: 58 New
                        -1
                        Quote: poquello
                        Syrians share technology - looks much dumber in the title of this article

                        Samples of technology wink

                        Okay .. in the third round we went, IMHO.

                        I'm not interested anymore. You are right, you are right in everything. Just don’t worry so much hi
  20. Das Boot
    Das Boot 7 October 2015 18: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: Eugene-Eugene
    You are like banking lawyers - just to get to the bottom of a letter.

    laughing funny comparison
    Quote: Eugene-Eugene
    about technology, the study of which will open the curtain on technology.

    There is a legend that, delighted with the T-72, Assad's dad of the USSR presented the captured Magach-5 as a token of gratitude. And our DZ blazers were very interested) It was just that in those days it was not thoughtfully called "shares Israeli technologies" laughing
    1. Professor
      Professor 7 October 2015 18: 56 New
      -1
      Quote: Das Boot
      And our DZ blazers were very interested) It was just that in those days it was not thoughtfully called "shares Israeli technologies"

      No. Maximum received a sample and copied the design. to get the technology you need to walk around the factory to the manufacturer, sketch HOW they make the product, at what temperature, on what equipment, etc.

      Quote: raid14
      That is, you claim that in this technique there are no advanced military technologies?

      I doubt that there is something advanced there, but even if there are Syrians, they can’t share the technology because they don’t have it.
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 7 October 2015 21: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        No. Maximum received a sample and copied the design. to get the technology you need to walk around the factory to the manufacturer, sketch HOW they make the product, at what temperature, on what equipment, etc.

        Prof, but did I say the opposite ?? Well, this is all obvious. laughing
  • raid14
    raid14 7 October 2015 18: 38 New
    +1
    That is, you say that this technique does not have advanced military technologies? Composite tank armor, tank sights, and a fire control system are not of interest to Russian defense industry specialists. Is it impossible to benefit from the presented weapons that are of interest to designers and engineers? The article is titled "The Syrian military can share NATO technology with Russia" hence all the derivatives.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 7 October 2015 18: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: raid14
      That is, you affirm

      Nah .. it's you .. you say something incomprehensible negative

      TECHNOLOGY (Feminine)

      The set of processes for processing or processing materials in a particular industry, as well as a scientific description of the methods of production

      That is,

      Quote: raid14
      share NATO technologies with Russia

      - means to convey at least a "scientific description of the methods of production".

      Question: where does the Syrian military come from?

      They can share the technique. The technique can be "interesting". And they cannot with technology. Since they don't have them request
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 7 October 2015 18: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        They can share the technique. The technique can be "interesting". And they cannot with technology. Since they don't have them

        Something is tormenting me with vague doubts that this LMS of the end of the last century, which was installed, among other things, on T-72 "Czechs", is not a secret for our Research Institute "Interesting Things". Although in Kubinka, museum workers 72 with turms-t can cause a certain itch laughing
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 7 October 2015 19: 56 New
    0
    And the plane doesn’t care what to burn - the Abrams tank or the Humvi army all-terrain vehicle. And the MK-19 grenade launcher against the aircraft is not an assistant.
  • gunter_laux
    gunter_laux 7 October 2015 19: 57 New
    -2
    this is a huge minus for you, "professor" of military technology. There are heaps of American products in the Middle East, we will pick everything up.
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 7 October 2015 22: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: gunter_laux
      this is a huge minus for you, "professor" of military technology. There are heaps of American products in the Middle East, we will pick everything up.

      The professor is entitled to all 100 .. What technologies the Syrians can have. If you reprint the article, so carefully. The Western articles are not about technologies, but about SAMPLES! Feel the difference. A sample is far from technology.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 7 October 2015 17: 54 New
    +3
    To dismember, dissect, study and learn everything with the benefit of the Motherland.
  • WUS 068
    WUS 068 7 October 2015 17: 58 New
    +1
    Hey! Military! And why the barrel of the gun is not cleaned. Not order in the tank troops.
  • exalex2
    exalex2 7 October 2015 18: 13 New
    0
    What do you mean "can", just have to. Not a topic for discussion and speculation .. Or, again, those "brothers" who simply "drink blood", always looking for benefits. Examples of darkness, especially now.
  • kervin78
    kervin78 7 October 2015 18: 17 New
    0
    Tell me, if when a barrel gets into a tank, it’s buried directly above the driver’s hatch? Let’s say the T-64
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 7 October 2015 18: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: kervin78
      when hit in the tank, the barrel is directly above the hatch

      1. The mechanic on the T-64 has the ability to "emergency" turn the turret.

      There are two questions in this case: is the stabilizer turned on, and is the MV able to do anything at all after getting into the tank

      2. The mechanic on the T-64 has the opportunity to go to the fighting compartment. Only this .. laborious request
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 7 October 2015 22: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Quote: kervin78
        when hit in the tank, the barrel is directly above the hatch

        1. The mechanic on the T-64 has the ability to "emergency" turn the turret.

        There are two questions in this case: is the stabilizer turned on, and is the MV able to do anything at all after getting into the tank

        2. The mechanic on the T-64 has the opportunity to go to the fighting compartment. Only this .. laborious request

        3. The tank also has a hatch on the bottom of the tank just next to the driver.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 7 October 2015 23: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Алексей_К
          The tank also has a hatch on the bottom of the tank just next to the driver

          In the T-64 - behind the driver’s seat, to be precise.

          Only this is even more labor-intensive than removing a pair of trays from the MOH (option 2 above).
  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 October 2015 18: 19 New
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    Nobody canceled work with trophies.
    The Syrians really cannot please us with something, everything is out of date. But the Americans, supplying their weapons to moderate thugs, can. I think the special forces are already working out certain areas
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 7 October 2015 20: 07 New
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      So, I think that even radio portraits of the "Predator" and, for example, the F-22 at different angles of attack will be useful to us. Fragments and unexploded ordnance, especially high-precision ones, then, most likely, the latest versions of the Stingers will go (do not approach us with the earlier versions). Everything will come in handy, we take wholesale !!!
  • rus-5819
    rus-5819 7 October 2015 19: 38 New
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    Quote: afrikanez
    And why drag from Yemen, Lithuania is nearby, you can also compromise them laughing


    They want to eat, they themselves will drive.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 7 October 2015 19: 59 New
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    “Now it would be useful to act as NATO members,” who are trying to get at their disposal any Russian model of military equipment, even if it has been in service for many years.
    That's why - a good thought always comes after? In the late 19th - early 20th centuries, the Japanese bought tons of documentation on projects rejected by the military department from us. What ended in 1904 everyone knows? Only one Japanese shooting distance at Tsushima is worth something. With the union, this approach justified itself, but there were excesses in copying which was not necessary (paint that reduces radiation, supposedly at times, in fact, no more than 5 percent). I think that enough time has passed since the times of the USSR, and most importantly, such a concept as "industrial espionage" has taken root in our country. And this is not "now it would be useful", but most likely it did not end or we would have already been eaten "for lunch ... with a French bun ... with whiskey."
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 7 October 2015 20: 02 New
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    Quote: rus-5819
    Quote: afrikanez
    And why drag from Yemen, Lithuania is nearby, you can also compromise them laughing


    They want to eat, they themselves will drive.

    Is logical. Suppose we buy some sprats from them, and Abrams comes with sprats. All together on the ship and sail.
  • Alexey Boukin
    Alexey Boukin 7 October 2015 21: 45 New
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    Quote: HAM
    Obamsha said that nothing interesting, only the language is long .. if, of course, you are talking about Barak Abramovich.

    Perhaps she spoke with undisguised pride?
  • Wolka
    Wolka 8 October 2015 05: 14 New
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    useful interaction however ...