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Tricky comments. See Paris and nothing else

On October 2 in Paris, the Norman Four, composed of Angela Merkel, Francois Hollande, Petro Poroshenko and Vladimir Putin, discussed the situation in the Donbas and ways to resolve the conflict. As a result of the five-hour negotiations, it was decided to divert weapons from the contact line, to develop a mechanism for conducting elections in the occupied territories, to cancel the elections in Donbas - to actually extend the validity of the second Minsk agreements. In Ukraine, the contract Poroshenko and Putin criticized, in Russia approved, and in the West overshadowed. Syria has clearly eclipsed the topic of Donbass.

On this, in general, everything. Many media in different countries paid enough of their attention to what was happening in Paris. But the biggest interest was caused by how they accepted President Poroshenko at home.

VRU deputies, from Groisman to Lyashko, demanded Poroshenko and Klimkin a detailed report on the work done.

But in short, the essence of all performances can be reduced to one question: "Sing, why did you fly there?"

The question beat in the throat with a kick, and Poroshenko could not answer it properly. And he released into the battle arena authorized by the President of Ukraine for the peaceful settlement of the situation in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, the deputy from the BPP Irina Gerashchenko.

That one also had nothing to say, so I had to improvise. That is, by the essence of Ukraine, just lying. Maybe a ride.

It turned out, according to Gerashchenko, the Ukrainian delegation led by President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko at the negotiations of the "Norman Four" in Paris managed to reach agreements not only on assignment tanks and heavy 100-mm artillery, but also about the withdrawal from the Donbass of Russian armed forces. Well, I’ve got the full program.

But when, from where and in what quantities Russian armed forces will be withdrawn, Gerashchenko could not say. Agreed - it means they will withdraw, period. Putin has nowhere to go, under Hollande and Merkel agreed.

Spoke Gerashchenko a lot, and with a twinkle. The fact that the summit of the heads of Ukraine, Germany, France and Russia has become another round of hard pressure on Russian President Vladimir Putin in order to force him to act exclusively in the wake of the Minsk agreements. Putin, he said, grumbled, smirked, and pretended that he was capitulating now under this pressure.

Putin was good. He did not sign the Minsk agreements. He, too, came to see the Paris.

Gerashchenko also posted on her Facebook page an infographic in which 14 points were described in detail, which Ukraine defended in Paris, despite fierce resistance from Russia. Here it is, the creation of Ukrainian hands and minds.

Tricky comments. See Paris and nothing else

This creation is called "7" YES "and 7" NO. "

7 "YES":

- achieve the withdrawal of all types of weapons with a caliber of up to 100 mm and mortars up to 120 mm;
- granting the OSCE unimpeded access to all occupied areas of Donbass;
- the withdrawal of all Russian troops and mercenaries;
- holding extraordinary local elections in the region;
- discuss the peculiarities of elections in the Donbas in the framework of the Tripartite working group;
- resume the activities of international humanitarian organizations;
- unlock the issue of accelerated exchange of prisoners of war. 153 Ukrainians are still in captivity, among which 62 are civilians and the rest of the military.

7 "NO":

- Changes on decentralization in the Constitution will not be revised to meet the requirements of terrorists;
- there will be no law on the special status of local government for some areas of Donbass;
- the amnesty law will not be revised;
- there will be no direct dialogue with terrorists, as Russia wanted;
- fake elections in the territories controlled by the “DPR” and “LPR” territories were canceled;
- all the sanctions previously imposed against the Russian Federation are upheld.

This is how Peter Light Alekseich worked! He fought with Putin, not sparing his body! All items defended!

Where are there any "Minsk agreements"? In the furnace stories! Here, here you are, new, Parisian! All for Ridny Ukraine, all for victory!

That could be puzzled, how is it so? We need to talk about the implementation and prolongation of the Minsk agreements, and here such a turn ... Not just a turn, but an epochal one, frankly.

But they didn’t have time to properly "digest" everything they heard and read, as the one who spoiled everything was found. And who do you think? That's right, Poroshenko. While Gerashchenko was foaming at the mouth of the great Peremogh, which would finally put in place and completely let out Putin, and his tame terrorists in the Donbas, the President suffered to the masses. That is, in the media.

And Peter Alekseich gave an interview. It was very reckless, naturally, but at the end, Mr. President issued such that it crossed out his entire speech. And the performance of Gerashchenko too.

"No agreements were signed in Paris. We discussed in Paris in Norman format the dates and steps for the implementation of the Minsk agreements ... But there are results," he said.

That is, everything that Gerashchenko narrated is another nonsense? Alas, it is. We don’t have to get used to it, but here it should be offensive to some people there. All these 14 points of great peremoga are nothing more than Gerashchenko's fantasy. Well, it is necessary to justify the money spent on a trip?

No, it is quite possible for myself that Peter Alekseevich voiced all this. Quite possible. He did not push this from the podium at the UN. Another question is, has anyone heard this, or has all this peremeshna nonsense just been in Gerashchenko's head?

Well, at least saw Paris for free. But, dear you are ours, Paris is Paris, but still Minsk is that reality from which you cannot escape. Yes, you can temporarily sink it. In strong, fortified and slightly diluted products. But anyway, sooner or later you will have to perform.

And the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada should take a closer look at what they are working on at the front of the war with Russia for a bright future. Painfully, they lie lately. As if the side did not work.

Paris, of course, is a beautiful city. But Minsk is quite a handsome man too. So "nothing" in Paris should turn into "at least something" in Minsk.

And stop talking about how Putin was "bent" in Paris. This is all a dream. But he can be offended. What then will you do, gentlemen deputies?
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 October 2015 06: 16 New
    According to Gerashchenko, the Ukrainian delegation led by President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko at the Normandy Four talks in Paris managed to reach agreements not only on the withdrawal of tanks and heavy 100 mm artillery, but also on the withdrawal of Russian armed forces from Donbas.

    Complete loss of reality.
    Maybe they again - shovels in their hands and deepen the Black Sea. Everything is better, however.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 7 October 2015 08: 09 New
      Quote: aszzz888
      Maybe they again - shovels in their hands and deepen the Black Sea.

      It’s better to dig a canal from the Black Sea to the Baltic through Poland, This will be a victory over Russia laughing Why over Russia? But who knows, except them ...
    2. Sauron80
      Sauron80 7 October 2015 11: 40 New
      They’ve already dug up black - it’s good, it’s time to dig the Belorussian Sea, otherwise where to send the 6th US fleet at Maidan?
    3. Cherdak
      Cherdak 7 October 2015 12: 25 New
      Quote: aszzz888
      Complete loss of reality.

      I have a complete feeling that Poroshenko is the illegitimate son of two pedestrian parents.
  2. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 7 October 2015 06: 29 New
    Putin giggled, grinned, and pretended to capitulate under this pressure.
    Putin was fine. He did not sign the Minsk agreements ...

    You will be read and scolded ..! The author should continue to write .., in the style of Ilf / Petrov.
  3. Stoler
    Stoler 7 October 2015 06: 55 New
    I love to watch the "political tricks" of dill - a complete sense of the cage with macaques, and I want to feed the animal. laughing
  4. afrikanez
    afrikanez 7 October 2015 06: 59 New
    What then will you do, and gentlemen deputies?
    And they have nothing left to do but how to lie and beg. Brains are not enough for more. fool
    RUSOIVAN 7 October 2015 07: 03 New
    Putin, Holland, Merkel and Poroshenko come to the cafe, the waiter flies up:
    -Vladimir Vladimirovich, what will you be?
    - I have cabbage soup, buckwheat with cutlet and compote
    -Vladimir Vladimirovich, what about vegetables?
    - and the vegetables will be the same!
    1. Sauron80
      Sauron80 7 October 2015 11: 42 New
      To tears))) furiously plus
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 7 October 2015 07: 08 New
    To withdraw troops from the Ruins, you must first enter them there. Do dill want this, that's the question. And while there is permission from the Federation Council, it can be demonstrated what will happen when the Ruins announced by all the strata from 50 to 200 of thousands of soldiers of the Russian army are in second-hand. In Crimea, there were only 15-20 thousand, but what effect ...
  7. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 7 October 2015 07: 14 New
    And stop talking about how Putin "was bent" in Paris. These are all dreams. But he might be offended. What will you do then ...?
    DILLS! Take care of Putin as the last piece of fat. We choose Zhirinovsky - you will live only in Lviv and then for rent. He is your savior. By the way, it's his birthday today. Good luck to you V.V. Putin and health!
  8. Riv
    Riv 7 October 2015 07: 15 New
    I don’t know how anyone, but this Ukrainian monkey no longer pins me. Especially in the morning.
    1. Shiva83483
      Shiva83483 7 October 2015 07: 39 New
      Oh well them, a burnt circus on pedal horse drawn ... they themselves are bent, bent into a pose of an offended Egyptian, but in themselves equal everyone. Paramoga wassat in a word .... over common sense, as I understand it, and this is certainly not the limit, I think so.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 October 2015 08: 09 New
    he might be offended. What will you do then, gentlemen, deputies?

    The trouble is that Russia has never once responded to Ukraine seriously on its "victorious" statements regarding "Ukrainian diplomacy." It’s a shame in general to talk about some kind of diplomacy when a pseudo country expels as it wants, knowing that Russia will not deliver a “long-awaited” blow.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 7 October 2015 08: 32 New
      Why w. Right now the term for the majority of Ukrainian citizens on the territory of Russia is ending. I saw with my own eyes on the desk of the head of the passport office an internal order listing the settlements of Ukraine - who should prolong their stay and who would not.
      And they will go home 5 million free ukrov. Then we'll see.
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 7 October 2015 10: 22 New
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        And they will go home 5 million free ukrov. Then we'll see.

        "In Nakhodka, Ukrainian sailors join the Russian trade union."
  10. mamont5
    mamont5 7 October 2015 08: 14 New
    "but also about the withdrawal from the Donbass of Russian armed forces. Well, I’ve managed to complete the program."

    Yes, it’s hard to bring out what is not.
  11. antikilller55
    antikilller55 7 October 2015 08: 26 New
    Was this delegation from country 404 even allowed into the meeting room? Or so sat in the hallway waiting for a decision?
  12. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 7 October 2015 08: 27 New
    These negotiations need Ukraine for domestic consumption.
    They there represent this action as a great victory.
    They believe that they are a great European people and not village villages. Propaganda is a great thing.
  13. parusnik
    parusnik 7 October 2015 08: 33 New
    "No agreements were signed in Paris. ... But there are results," he said.... Well, yes, like Winnie the Pooh, there seems to be honey, but it doesn’t exist right away ..
  14. Olezhek
    Olezhek 7 October 2015 08: 44 New
    "7" YES "and 7" NO ".

    Thanks for the translation.
  15. Proud.
    Proud. 7 October 2015 08: 45 New
    An interesting photo. Meeting in Paris. Look at these faces. Now pay attention to the pose and face of Poroshenko, the doom is complete. And fear. And now, to the pose and face of V.V. Putin. (He’s the Darkest) V.V. P. looks like a Jedi, a peace-making knight of the Jedi Order. Confident, mocking. Next to him, a typical young man Padawan, a student of the Jedi. Studying. Conspects. U.V.P. (Darkest), hands under the table ... I am convinced (fantasy) that since it is not convenient to use a light (laser) sword under the table, the Leader’s hands have a 12-gauge sawn-off shotgun. With cartridges filled with chopped nails. And these two shotgun trunks look into Poroshenko’s stomach. . Or a little lower (Darkest course Peacemaker, But Good should be with fists):
    1. avt
      avt 7 October 2015 09: 00 New
      Quote: Be proud.
      An interesting photo. Meeting in Paris. Look at these faces. Now pay attention to the pose and face of Poroshenko, the doom is complete. And fear. And now, to the pose and face of V.V. Putin. (He’s the Darkest) V.V. P. looks like a Jedi, a Jedi Knight peacekeeper. Confident, mocking.
      Well, like you can’t fulfill the Minsk agreement? Do elections in LDNR interfere in October-November? Well, I’ll talk with the guys and ask you to postpone it to February. And then Pece suddenly died from the prospect of returning home, and he no longer has a worm in his head, but it’s quite itchy - How would you not return home? that they jump around the expanses of Ukraine, it is necessary to drive them into a herd and drive them to a stall - that’s still a joblaughing Well, in the next move, letting the GDP go out of the zugzwang first and left, like asking - we did it, but now do something yourself and don’t forget the main thing - the checkbox on your watch will drop first.
  16. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 7 October 2015 08: 56 New
    yeah it’s already real and not funny - a complete separation from reality ........ they completely rode away.
  17. Alexl
    Alexl 7 October 2015 09: 29 New
    And Putin is wondering why he is silent? Everyone has already spoken out - and Merkel, and Hollande, and Poroshenko. It is time for Putin to answer the people about what he secretly agreed with them in Paris (except for the postponement of the elections).
    1. avt
      avt 7 October 2015 09: 39 New
      Quote: AleksL
      . It is time for Putin to answer the people about what he secretly agreed with them in Paris (except for the postponement of the elections).

      laughing What ? Didn’t you understand? Here on
      Quote: AleksL
      Everyone has already spoken out - and Merkel, and Hollande, and Poroshenko

      They didn’t understand that they had NOT agreed on anything. But the postponement of the elections to LDNR is not an agreement - eliminating the pretext of default in Minsk2 according to the serial numbers of the protocol about which Petya howled at every corner. Well, I got like that old woman from a fairy tale about a fisherman and a goldfish - I wanted to transfer, well, get it and sign it. Here it is, with a broken trough, and left it without comment in the zugzwang and the falling flag on the watch. Let the French blotter explain it to Pets publicly or behind the scenes that Minsk 2 should not be stopped in December, and the grandmother’s office is preparing to pay for gas for Ukraine. Well, why should anyone explain the GDP to this? Or is the GDP still obliged to dance to your squat on your birthday? wassatWhat is not clear then? A working moment, well, if of course from the guard of patriots, then yes - slininovorossiyudonbass. laughing
  18. Homegoblin
    Homegoblin 7 October 2015 21: 36 New
    Everything is foggy ... we are waiting for the movement of the Lord / Comrades! request