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In the DPR and LNR local elections are transferred to the 2016 year

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The authorities of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics declared that they are postponing the local elections from October 18 and November 1 exactly to the 2016 year. Lugansk Information Center cites a statement by Denis Pushilin and Vladislav Daneig, representing the republics in the contact group:


We studied the statements and recommendations of Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Hollande at the end of the Paris 2 Summit in October. We held here today in Minsk consultations with representatives of the OSCE and Russia. We received instructions from our leaders A. Zakharchenko and I. Plotnitsky.
As a result of this work, we report on the agreement of the DPR and the LPR to the transfer of elections from October 18 and November 1 to the next year.

During this time, Ukraine will be obliged to fulfill all obligations assumed under the Minsk agreements. Namely: to give Donbas a special status, not to allow the prosecution and punishment of individuals - participants of the events in the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, as well as to re-vote the amendments to the Constitution in a new wording agreed with us.


In the DPR and LNR local elections are transferred to the 2016 year


At the same time, the official authorities of the DPR and the LPR declared that they agreed to postpone elections for the sake of peace in the region.

On the decision of Lugansk and Donetsk Poroshenko responded. On his Facebook page, naturally, stating his merit, he wrote:
The direct consequences of the coordinated actions of Ukraine and our partners in the negotiations in New York and Paris are illegal elections, which threatened with the restoration of hostilities and liquidation of the Minsk agreements, canceled.


It turns out, Poroshenko acknowledged the fact that if the people of Donbass had expressed their will at the elections, the punitive detachments would again receive an order from Kiev to the start of hostilities.

Poroshenko:
This opens the way for the return of Ukraine to the Donbass through elections under Ukrainian legislation, based on OSCE standards and, of course, without the occupying forces.


"Without occupying" troops - is it without those who are at the Yavoriv training ground near Lviv or without those who fought as part of the Ukrainian Nazi battalions? ..

Briefly commented on the postponement of the elections in the DPR and the LPR, press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov:
We welcome this decision.


In Kiev, regarding the transfer of elections (transfer there, however, is called "cancellation"), real euphoria reigns ...
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  1. Ross_ulair
    Ross_ulair 6 October 2015 17: 25 New
    +5
    All right!
    Now the move of Kiev. And Kiev has a zungzwang. Any decision will now lead to the defeat of the junta

    Mnogohodovochka failed!
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 6 October 2015 17: 26 New
      +13
      I hope that after the elections in February 2016 everything will begin to fall into place!
      Because After these elections, the European Union will have to recognize their legitimacy!
      And then - Shah and MAT!

      Good luck and peace to the militia and the inhabitants of LDNR!
      I look forward to when they can calmly begin to tear off and ennoble the New Country! NEWS!
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 6 October 2015 17: 58 New
        +13
        About the mat, I might agree, but the check will not be soon. Why fought on both sides? Donbass, again into slavery? and vice versa, dill, and also Donbass lose, finally? In short, the garbage is complete. This is not a solution.
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 6 October 2015 18: 28 New
          0
          I do not agree with you! Now there are 2 kings on the chessboard - black and white. See how the powder begins to behave after meeting with "adults." He is completely dependent, he is depressed. And these "adults" slowly but gradually begin to turn in favor of the white king, this is obvious. Having come out of the Syrian problem as triumphs, WE will have a leading voice in Europe de facto, not de jure, of course, and only then, having superiority, will we take the DPR and LPR.
          What about the black king? "The king is dead, long live the king!"
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        3. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 6 October 2015 19: 16 New
          +10
          Quote: Pilot
          About mate, I can agree, but the Shah will not be soon

          This is when the shah was after the mat?
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 6 October 2015 18: 26 New
        +6
        Quote: Baikonur
        I hope that after the elections in February 2016 everything will begin to fall into place!



        The elections were postponed for exactly one year - from October to November 2016 ...

        And, most likely, it was pressure from our Russian side ... At least I do not just think so, but just sure of it ...

        Putin continues to play too many-way combinations ... Honestly, I don’t like these political and institute performances ...
        1. avt
          avt 6 October 2015 18: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: veksha50
          Putin continues to play too many-way combination ...

          The combination is not multi-way, but quite short - it drives Piggy deeper into the zugzwang - ANY reason is thrown out that does not allow Piglet NOT to MAKE ANY GO, but to stand still. Well, he doesn’t have any references to not fulfilling ,, Minsk2 ’which, by and large, is aimed only at one thing, at least from Russia, TO MAKE the Kievans recognize Donetsk and Lugansk as the AUTHORIZED PART OF THE CONFLICT, and not to refer to Russia in the demand to execute for they are the same ,, Minsk2 ". And time and winter, unless of course in LDNR they will fulfill their obligations to arrange a peaceful life, is clearly not playing in favor of the junta.
        2. fif21
          fif21 6 October 2015 21: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: veksha50
          Honestly, I don’t like these political and prostitute performances ...
          I agree! The longer the Donbass without legitimate leadership, the more vulnerable it is. Did they give him a chance? And what prevented him from fulfilling the Minsk agreements? Looks like a different calculation here 1. Elections according to the laws of Ukraine, the Central Election Commission in Kiev 2. Where are the candidates registered? 2. Who will be able to finance the candidates and the elections themselves? 3. Kiev has the right not to recognize the elections. 4. What is the ratio of voters on the territory of the occupied APU and controlled by the DPR and LPR? Where are the guarantees that the candidates from the DPR and LPR will be registered at all? Will the soldiers of the APU and the National Guard be voting in Slavyansk? It seems to me that after the elections the legitimate leadership of the DPR and LPR will be pro-fascist, this will be followed by a replacement of the leadership of the security forces, the disarmament of illegal groups and then on the list request This is a multi-path!
          1. Rusich is not from Kiev
            Rusich is not from Kiev 7 October 2015 05: 15 New
            0
            Quote: fif21
            4. What is the ratio of voters on the territory of the occupied APU and controlled by the DPR and LPR? Where are the guarantees that candidates from the DPR and LPR will be registered at all? In Slavyansk, will the AFU and the National Guard guard vote? It seems to me that after the elections the legitimate leadership of the DPR and LPR will be pro-fascist, this will be followed by the replacement of the leadership of the security forces, the disarmament of illegal groups and then on the list. This is a multi-way!

            What are you writing about, and here is Slavyansk? Elections on the territory of the LDNR and only those who live there will vote.
            1. fif21
              fif21 7 October 2015 07: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Rusich not from Kiev
              What are you writing about, and here is Slavyansk? Elections on the territory of the LDNR and only those who live there will vote.
              Elections according to Ukrainian laws! And according to these laws, there is NO LDNR !. There are Lugansk and Donetsk region. And a special status for the Lugansk and Donetsk regions. And this means Mariupol and Slavyansk.
              1. Rusich is not from Kiev
                Rusich is not from Kiev 7 October 2015 16: 40 New
                0
                Quote: fif21
                Elections according to Ukrainian laws! And according to these laws, there is NO LDNR !. There are Lugansk and Donetsk region. And a special status for the Lugansk and Donetsk regions. And this means Mariupol and Slavyansk.

                Troll, in Ukraine LDNR are called ORDiLO (separate districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions). It is there that there will be elections according to the laws of Ukraine agreed with LDNR.
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        4. Felix1
          Felix1 7 October 2015 06: 04 New
          0
          and in 2016 it turns out that there will be no elections at all. and this has been clear for a long time, Everything is merged. just a smooth transition period that will last another half a year.
          1. Felix1
            Felix1 7 October 2015 22: 08 New
            0
            And all minusoids and fools note.
            finally have your opinion and point of view and respect someone else's.
      3. Observer2014
        Observer2014 6 October 2015 22: 45 New
        +7
        BAIKONUR !!!!! what would you understand in the problems of Donbass !!!!! What a check, what a checkmate !!! Baikonur you are enchanted OUR man !!!
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 October 2015 17: 38 New
      +11
      Quote: ROSS_Ulair
      And Kiev has a zungzwang. Any decision will now lead to the defeat of the junta

      And how?
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 6 October 2015 17: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And how?

        They have no reason to excuse the Minsk agreements.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 October 2015 18: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: GRAY
          They have no reason to excuse the Minsk agreements.

          Claims of their politicians saw?
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 6 October 2015 20: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Claims of their politicians saw?

            Saw. However, zvizdet is not bags tossing and turning. As they lock, they will immediately replace the record.
            Lyashko here surprised:
            "The faction of the Radical Party proposes to bring the issue of the" special status "of Donbass to the nationwide discussion, to hold this referendum together with the local elections in October. And let the Ukrainians - the people as the only source of power - answer whether they want a" special status "for Donbass, or don’t want "said Lyashko. The idea of ​​asking the people what they think about the integrity of Ukraine and the status of Donbass was for some reason born to the main PR ace of Ukraine after a year and a half of bombing of the eastern regions and the genocide of the Donbass population that Kiev is carrying out.

            Climax with him or something ...
          2. Rusich is not from Kiev
            Rusich is not from Kiev 7 October 2015 05: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Claims of their politicians saw?

            And a week ago, you heard their voices? And half a year ago? Their words are just words and do not cost anything.
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        3. fif21
          fif21 6 October 2015 22: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: GRAY
          They have no reason to excuse the Minsk agreements.
          One is gone, they’ll come up with another hundred! Their goal is to connect the DPR and LPR Minsk. To clean the territory of these areas occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from pro-Russian persons, through repression, intimidation. . How can you drag out longer with the election of legitimate authorities in the DPR and LPR. Conducting "dirty elections" according to Ukrainian laws, I do not exclude the physical elimination of pro-Russian candidates. Ask Tsarev! Gave him elected in the parliament?
      2. Ross_ulair
        Ross_ulair 6 October 2015 17: 46 New
        -2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And how?


        In the case of Minsk-2, as Europe requires, they will be driven by the piss .. nationalists with wet rags. And the end of the Ruin in its current form - in the case of a real civil war, there will definitely be no case for LDN.

        In the event of non-fulfillment - and that’s all, there will be no amnesty or transparent elections in the Donbas with local candidates - LDNR will conduct the elections themselves, thereby giving Russia carte blanche for their recognition. In all cases, Gunpowder will not be released on the international scene.
        Although all the media in this case will raise a howl, but Russia already has experience of actions in spite of all attempts to denigrate (Crimea, Syria)
        1. Makarov
          Makarov 6 October 2015 17: 54 New
          +7
          I do not understand the logic of your reasoning. Explain, please. What will happen If the agreements are respected, 1.01.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX Ukraine in the east will completely restore the border, nationalists will not trample anyone, and all attention will focus on Crimea? Is this kind of success for Ukraine and the EU?
          1. Ross_ulair
            Ross_ulair 6 October 2015 18: 13 New
            -1
            Quote: Makarov
            I do not understand the logic of your reasoning. Explain, please. What will happen If the agreements are respected, 1.01.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX Ukraine in the east will completely restore the border, nationalists will not trample anyone, and all attention will focus on Crimea? Is this kind of success for Ukraine and the EU?


            Poroshenko will not be allowed to do this. Lyashko is already yelling from the rostrum about the bomb.
            Again - do you believe in the full and unconditional implementation of the Minsk agreements? If there was such an opportunity, or if Kiev strove for this, there would be no Paris. For more than six months have passed since the signing, and the roadmap has not been implemented since the first days - artificial delay has been going on

            Plus, now the junta cannot exist without the ATO. There will be nothing to write off all the failures in politics - both internal and external. What is the aggression of Russia, if everything is done according to Minsk?

            No, this will not be, a priori
            1. Makarov
              Makarov 6 October 2015 18: 59 New
              +8
              1. Everyone in Ukraine wanted to spit on Lyashko ... he is like a political figure - nobody.
              2. If the Minsk agreements are not implemented, the Russian Federation will be the first to suffer - among all signatories to the agreement only from the Russian Federation the official representative is the ambassador. Ukraine is a former president, don’t understand who (legally) from the republics.
              3. Was it delayed? And for a year, who postponed the election?
              4. Kiev lives off subsidies, the ATO is attracting a lot of money ... and if it’s fair, then let’s talk about the failures in more detail, otherwise I don’t remember anything like that - an example is gas - we agreed ...
              5. A priori, for 90% of Ukrainians of the Russian Federation, the aggressor has already executed Minsk or not ... this is definitely a priori ...
              1. Ross_ulair
                Ross_ulair 6 October 2015 19: 21 New
                -1
                Quote: Makarov
                1. Everyone in Ukraine wanted to spit on Lyashko ... he is like a political figure - nobody.

                But now in the Rada all the necessary actions needed in Minsk not to be carried out - a fact

                Quote: Makarov
                2. If the Minsk agreements are not implemented, the Russian Federation will be the first to suffer - among all signatories to the agreement only from the Russian Federation the official representative is the ambassador. Ukraine is a former president, don’t understand who (legally) from the republics.

                The Russian Federation is not a party to the conflict in the Ruin - neither de jure, nor de facto, no matter how someone shouted about it. Accordingly, the task of Russia is not to allow itself to be drawn into the conflict. And official recognition at the moment of LDNR will be received with hostility by all Western "partners". Now, although they only scream out their eyes, they will start yelling without turning away.
                Signatures are also official representatives of France and Germany - and Hollande, and Merkel put their reputation on the actions of Poroshenko. And he clearly does not live up to their expectations.

                Quote: Makarov
                3. Was it delayed? And for a year, who postponed the election?

                Until March of this year, they had to provide an amendment to the constitution, and it would seem that they would be introduced to the Parliament by summer. Bottom line - completely different changes were pushed in the Rada under the explosions of grenades on the street. The withdrawal of weapons, amnesty - is this not a drag?

                Quote: Makarov
                4. Kiev lives off subsidies, the ATO is attracting a lot of money ... and if it’s fair, then let’s talk about the failures in more detail, otherwise I don’t remember anything like that - an example is gas - we agreed ...

                Failures - a challenge to the carpet in Paris, incoherent muttering at the UN General Assembly, the collapse of the public utilities, default, total impoverishment, the fall of the hryvnia, banditry ... Are there enough failures? The list is far from complete

                Quote: Makarov
                5. A priori, for 90% of Ukrainians of the Russian Federation, the aggressor has already executed Minsk or not ... this is definitely a priori ...

                I am now far from a light bulb, what 90% of Ukrainians think about us. But when you go to the Censor, you understand that Ukrainians are not indifferent to what the Russians think about them hi
                1. Makarov
                  Makarov 7 October 2015 10: 19 New
                  +1
                  1. Please explain in more detail. The fact seems to me at least dubious.
                  2. I did not say that the Russian Federation is a party to the conflict. I said that the document was signed by an official from the Russian Federation, but there are no signatures of Merkel or Hollande ... there is the signature of an official from the OSCE ... and on the account of the recognition of the Russian Federation - OFFICIALLY the Russian Foreign Ministry recognized these territories as Ukrainian territories. conversation?
                  3. And the withdrawal and amnesty are all delaying, only officially the amendments to the Constitution have been adopted and here it will be interesting to observe what changes will be made under the supervision of representatives of the republics. In my purely personal opinion - none ...
                  4.Collapse of public utilities? - I haven’t noticed yet, it’s too early to talk about it yet, but the counters have changed for free, which has never happened before ... did the hryvnia fall? of course, but it’s not yet critical, like in the early 00s, only fewer prospects, and it’s full of expensive cars and people shopping rummage and not only grocery ones, but about banditry - if you are talking about ps, then I agree with this - they are outrageous, but they are fewer and fewer (as a word, and all others who disagree with the general line parties in power), and on the streets of lawlessness no more than before, perhaps even less ....
                  5. It is clear that you do not care .... here I am not surprised ...
              2. Rusich is not from Kiev
                Rusich is not from Kiev 7 October 2015 05: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: Makarov
                5. A priori, for 90% of Ukrainians of the Russian Federation, the aggressor has already executed Minsk or not ... this is definitely a priori ...

                ATP laughed.
            2. Felix1
              Felix1 7 October 2015 21: 56 New
              0
              Lyashko is a Ukrainian Zhirik, no one pays any attention.
          2. Civil
            Civil 6 October 2015 18: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Makarov
            I do not understand the logic of your reasoning. Explain, please. What will happen If the agreements are respected, 1.01.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX Ukraine in the east will completely restore the border, nationalists will not trample anyone, and all attention will focus on Crimea? Is this kind of success for Ukraine and the EU?


            He read the instruction manual inattentively, right now he will open it, he will explain logically.
            1. Ross_ulair
              Ross_ulair 6 October 2015 19: 39 New
              -5
              Quote: Civil
              He read the instruction manual inattentively, right now he will open it, he will explain logically.


              How tired are the “all-scribblers” and “all-scribblers” negative

              This is how the screams of people like you 75-80 years ago regarding Khasan and Khalkhin-Gol (in relations with the yuppies - didn’t finish the game! They didn’t crush in the den!) And shouts about the “terrible results of the Winter War” (they didn’t attach, didn’t help the exile!)

              Only now history has put everything in its place hi
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              2. Dr. Livesey
                Dr. Livesey 6 October 2015 21: 00 New
                -1
                Quote: ROSS_Ulair
                How tired are the “all-scribblers” and “all-scribblers”

                As well as stubborn “morons” and “patriots,” whose strength of love for the homeland and Putin personally is directly proportional to the size of the commentary fee. negative
                1. Ross_ulair
                  Ross_ulair 6 October 2015 21: 06 New
                  0
                  Quote: Dr. Livesey
                  As well as stubborn “morons” and “patriots,” whose strength of love for the homeland and Putin personally is directly proportional to the size of the commentary fee. negative


                  And the opportunity to accept that the thoughts expressed, which another person expresses on the forum, are the personal opinion of this particular person, is hindered by his own commercialism, which forces him to accept payment for comments?

                  To get the idea that I may have my own opinion, different from yours, what is stopping you? Or all who have the same opinion as yours are patriots, and all with the opposite are paid trolls?

                  Even reluctance to discuss, the right word ... Go with God
                  1. Dr. Livesey
                    Dr. Livesey 6 October 2015 22: 50 New
                    +1
                    Quote: ROSS_Ulair
                    To get the idea that I may have my own opinion, different from yours, what is stopping you?

                    Oh, how you sang! Aki nightingale is sweet-voiced! good One has only to go a little bit with your fat and you through the rubbish! “All-crawlers” are tired of you, and you don’t want to “accept that the thoughts expressed by another person on the forum are the personal opinion of this particular person ...” And you don’t want to listen to this personal opinion of the all-powerful! What prevents you from reaching the idea that someone may have their own opinion that is different from yours, and this does not mean that he is an "all-proverb and all-prolific" ?! And why are you calling people with a different point of view some prowlers and mergers ?!

                    Quote: ROSS_Ulair
                    Even reluctance to discuss, the right word ... Go with God

                    The word is right, truly there is no desire to discuss! Good luck!
                    1. Ross_ulair
                      Ross_ulair 6 October 2015 23: 08 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Dr. Livesey
                      And why are you calling people with a different point of view some prowlers and mergers ?!


                      For one simple reason - a person, having hinted at a certain training manual, crossed a certain line. But I do not really accept the principle - hit on the left, substitute the right.

                      Hope clarified popularly.
                      Good luck!
                      1. Dr. Livesey
                        Dr. Livesey 7 October 2015 11: 49 New
                        +2
                        Quote: ROSS_Ulair
                        For one simple reason - a person, having hinted at a certain training manual, crossed a certain line. But I do not really accept the principle - hit on the left, substitute the right.

                        Hope clarified popularly.
                        Good luck!

                        Agree, if a person, in your opinion, has crossed the line, it is easier to find out this unpleasant moment specifically with him, tete and tete, so to speak. Why generalize with other draining machines? And all the best to you.
              3. fif21
                fif21 6 October 2015 22: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: ROSS_Ulair
                Only now history has put everything in its place
                And at what cost? hi
                1. Ross_ulair
                  Ross_ulair 6 October 2015 23: 14 New
                  0
                  Quote: fif21
                  And at what cost?


                  hi

                  A simple analogy showing that not everything is so unambiguous in the historical events of which we are now witnesses. And it is not known that our grandchildren and great-grandchildren will read in history textbooks about current events in 50 years

                  The price is simple - the ability to transfer divisions from Siberia to Moscow without being tied to the war in our Far East (who knows how it would go if we got involved in a full-fledged war with the Japanese in the 30s. History does not suffer a subjunctive mood).
                  As well as the price of the border pushed away from Leningrad, which in many ways allowed him to survive during the years of the blockade. However, it was not at all necessary to climb into Finland as a whole, especially when the thunderstorm was already on the horizon.

                  Threat Not a good analogy with Finland turned out - just a direct comparison with the Ruin climbs into my head. Everything looks very much sad
            2. Rusich is not from Kiev
              Rusich is not from Kiev 7 October 2015 05: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: Civil
              He read the instruction manual inattentively, right now he will open it, he will explain logically.

              As I understand it, you can’t logically explain the drain with the manual, you only know how to throw.
              1. Civil
                Civil 7 October 2015 20: 59 New
                -1
                Quote: Rusich not from Kiev
                Quote: Civil
                He read the instruction manual inattentively, right now he will open it, he will explain logically.

                As I understand it, you can’t logically explain the drain with the manual, you only know how to throw.

                Your Internet words are not entirely clear to people ... however you can continue, it suits you. Failure and failure in Africa.
          3. avt
            avt 6 October 2015 20: 00 New
            -1
            Quote: Makarov
            I do not understand the logic of your reasoning. Explain, please. What will happen If the agreements are respected, 1.01.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX Ukraine in the east will completely restore the border, nationalists will not trample anyone, and all attention will focus on Crimea?

            If the agreements are respected, then the current government in LDNR will be legitimized, respectively, and the power structures in the form of the “police” of the present, and therefore now controlling, “illegal” formations will be legitimate and soundly guarding this very border within the framework agreed upon, Minsk2 "to the law on the special status of regions. Which is actually briefly LONG TALK - ZUGZWANG at the Kiev junta and not just zugzwang, but also taking into account climatic conditions and the economic condition of zugzwang with a flag falling on the clock! Well, they just MUST take any move and ANYONE to worsening their situation for them.
            1. fif21
              fif21 6 October 2015 22: 23 New
              +2
              Quote: avt
              If the agreements are observed, then the current government in LDNR will be legitimized, respectively, and the power structures
              Listen to what Poroshenko says! He does not allow this in his thoughts! A single and indivisible Ukraine, and in the case of elections to the LDP according to Ukrainian laws, the legitimate authority there will be Ukrainian! And who does not agree, the criminals and terrorists.
              1. avt
                avt 6 October 2015 23: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: fif21
                Listen to what Poroshenko says! He does not allow this in his thoughts!

                Yes, do not care what he says. Well, how much can you repeat - they make him MAKE it! And it doesn’t matter which step, because in the current political and economic situation this step is WRONGING his position.
                Quote: fif21
                Ukrainian laws, legitimate power there will be Ukrainian!

                So what ???? That's what ??? Well, suppose the elections will be held and that Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky will kiss Poros and Yarosh for a reason? fool
                Quote: fif21
                And who does not agree, the criminals and terrorists.

                So, when conducting elections under observers and recognizing them as legitimate by the OSCE, I’m taking the direct Minsk option, not recognizing the elections to the LDP when the current leadership of the LDP is elected, who then
                Quote: fif21
                criminals and terrorists.
                ?????? Is it even difficult to think and name the one who DOESN’T RECOGNIZE! That’s what you’re talking about - ZUGCWANG at Poros and company, look at Wikipedia for what it means, and if Poros doesn’t just go to the polls, but in accordance with ALL ITEMS of Minsk, including harmonization up to the articles of the constitution and the law on self-determination - the whole of the United Ukraine at once, and with the disintegration at best into a confederation. So much for New Russia. Kharkiv runs already after Zaporizhzhya began about Slobozhanshchina. That’s the zugzwang in its purest form. But the Minsk rips - that's all - the war and he started it.
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 6 October 2015 23: 34 New
                  0
                  Zakhar-Russian! (Although Ukrainian) .Muzhiki trust him. The fact that they put him in an uncomfortable position is not his fault.
                  1. Rusich is not from Kiev
                    Rusich is not from Kiev 7 October 2015 05: 39 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Den 11
                    Zakhar-Russian! (Although Ukrainian) .Muzhiki trust him. The fact that they put him in an uncomfortable position is not his fault.

                    Then he himself and LDNR themselves pierced a bit. It was impossible to say that the elections would be anyway. It was necessary to immediately voice that the elections could be canceled if Ukraine ....
              2. Rusich is not from Kiev
                Rusich is not from Kiev 7 October 2015 05: 36 New
                0
                Quote: fif21
                Listen to what Poroshenko says!

                Sorry, but you are a Troll and moreover paid. Poroshenko’s words can cause nothing but smiles, and everyone who knows at least a couple of times has heard this.
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            3. Makarov
              Makarov 7 October 2015 14: 00 New
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              let's see ... I think everything is not so rosy there ... for the militia ...
          4. Rusich is not from Kiev
            Rusich is not from Kiev 7 October 2015 05: 23 New
            +3
            Quote: Makarov
            I do not understand the logic of your reasoning. Explain, please. What will happen If the agreements are respected, 1.01.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX Ukraine in the east will completely restore the border, nationalists will not trample anyone, and all attention will focus on Crimea? Is this kind of success for Ukraine and the EU?

            We are reading Minsk-2. Its own army, police, its own elections up to the governor under special laws, its own economy. and cultural policy. General border control. Roughly speaking, in fact, an independent state, but without paraphernalia.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 October 2015 18: 00 New
          +8
          Quote: ROSS_Ulair
          , themselves ssa chase .. nationalists with wet rags.

          And these are the Nazis, who are now driven by gunpowder rags in Ukraine.
        3. Tambov Wolf
          Tambov Wolf 6 October 2015 18: 14 New
          +1
          He will ask Gunpowder from the United States for official assistance and a transdean to all who encroach on him. Just as they asked us in Syria. They will introduce aviation, troops and arctic fox to the multi-paths. They (the troops) will come at the request. We will sit on that ass and scream They deceived. But the flight time will be three minutes to Surkov and his boss. And to us, at whose request, troops are to be entered into the LDNR? People have already asked, they sent him to hell. Akhmetov if he asks, then yes, he is an important person in business with Surkov.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 6 October 2015 18: 31 New
            +3
            Quote: Tambov Wolf
            Akhmetov if he asks, then yes,



            Akhmetov in the non-state of urkain as a state person is nobody, and his request is a zilch on the fence ...

            And the flight time to HIM’s Surkov’s ass doesn’t just worry - he will either sit out in the bunker or have time to squander ... Do you see the groundhog ??? Yes, somewhere was here ... That's it - was ...
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 6 October 2015 21: 44 New
            0
            Quote: Tambov Wolf
            He will ask Gunpowder from the United States for official assistance and a transder for all who encroach on him. Just as we were asked in Syria. They will introduce aviation, troops and arctic fox to the multi-way

            Interesting idea..

            But what has not yet been introduced? Is something bothering you, or is there no need?
            1. Banshee
              Banshee 7 October 2015 00: 16 New
              +2
              The absence of a treaty on military assistance. We have been with Syria since the times of the USSR. And regularly prolonged.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 7 October 2015 17: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: Banshee
                Lack of military assistance agreement

                Thank you, I, this .. guess yes

                The question, in fact, was intended for Wolf Tambovsky. And then he - Wolf - such a ... come, a bunch of .. questions wink piled on and washed off.

                As, however, in this particular case laughing
      3. Rusich is not from Kiev
        Rusich is not from Kiev 7 October 2015 05: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And how?

        The implementation of Minsk-2 is the federalization of Ukraine for five years. If Kiev disrupts the elections or declares them invalid, then it will be only his fault that he was told about in Paris and sent to pass a law on special status.
    3. marlin1203
      marlin1203 6 October 2015 18: 29 New
      0
      A year ... goode ... a whole year! .. where did he come from the Kiev authorities? laughing
    4. skeket
      skeket 6 October 2015 19: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: ROSS_Ulair
      All right!
      Now the move of Kiev.

      that’s how it is, I’ll just ask one question, why are only the rebellious republics making concessions and fulfilling the conditions of Minsk?
      1. Ross_ulair
        Ross_ulair 6 October 2015 19: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: skeket
        that’s how it is, I’ll just ask one question, why are only the rebellious republics making concessions and fulfilling the conditions of Minsk?


        I think for one simple reason:
        Donbass needs peace, Kiev needs war.
        1. Dr. Livesey
          Dr. Livesey 6 October 2015 21: 19 New
          -2
          Quote: skeket
          why do rebellious republics make concessions and fulfill the conditions of Minsk?

          Quote: ROSS_Ulair
          I think for one simple reason:
          Donbass needs peace, Kiev needs war.


          Iron logic. Appease the aggressor! Apparently the Soviet Union crushed the fascist reptile, because he wanted a war? But they could have wanted peace ... I already heard something like this: “Shouldn’t I have given Leningrad to the Nazis to save thousands of lives?
          "... Ask those who fought,
          Who hugged us on the Elbe
          We are faithful to this memory.
          Do Russians want, do Russians want
          Do Russians want war? "
      2. Sauron80
        Sauron80 6 October 2015 22: 14 New
        +1
        It seems to me everything rests on the Crimea. At the moment, it depends heavily on Ukraine, this is how the bridge will be built, the cable will be drawn through the strait and the gas will be transported - then the tone of Moscow will change greatly.
    5. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 7 October 2015 19: 04 New
      0
      Minweil ​​in Ukraine.
  2. Alexnder
    Alexnder 6 October 2015 17: 28 New
    -1
    Well, all Petya, now you won’t get away ....
    Your move, let Europe admire!
    1. Alexnder
      Alexnder 7 October 2015 10: 34 New
      +2
      Got a bunch of cons, I don’t quite understand the reason ..
      LDNR agrees to postpone the elections, if Kiev fulfills its obligations, namely, amendments to the constitution, the law on special status, amnesty and I emphasize everything in agreement with the LDNR.
      Only after this election.
      And then, the so-called border control.
      Already, Europe is tired of the lies of Kiev and the imitation of the implementation of agreements.
      Federalization of Ukraine to be, and this is the best deal for Russia!
      1. Felix1
        Felix1 7 October 2015 20: 48 New
        -1
        What nonsense. no one is going to consult and ask something from LDNR, no one is shielding with them at all. and an election or postponement of elections is a fake. they are still trying to bargain for something, but no one is bargaining, and the time until the transfer of the border and power is at most until February, and if not, it means the failure of Minsk, the escalation of the conflict, and new sanctions against Russia, and nobody needs it the same way and feed the hungry Donbas.
  3. Makarov
    Makarov 6 October 2015 17: 30 New
    +16
    if the border is restored according to the plan (before December 31), then the winners will already hold the elections ... of course, euphoria is another step towards the return of Donbass ... I see no reason for joy in the Russian Federation ... please explain ....
    1. Not served
      Not served 6 October 2015 17: 36 New
      +1
      Passages at the border, in which case it’s easy to organize. But all the same, I think that at first all measures are by agreement, and then border control.
      1. Makarov
        Makarov 6 October 2015 17: 39 New
        +3
        Well, I don’t know ... it was difficult to organize the passage for the last year (judging by the comments of those who helped the rebels), from which then it suddenly becomes easier now?
      2. katalonec2014
        katalonec2014 6 October 2015 17: 40 New
        +1
        Border control does not mean that the LDNR army will allow to pull heavy equipment to the border, a maximum of “Spartans”, and in the case of kipish with a clear conscience, they will leave it to themselves.
        1. Makarov
          Makarov 6 October 2015 17: 46 New
          +4
          all uprisings in history ended either with victory in the capital or with death in the environment ... restoring the border closer to the second ....
        2. alone
          alone 6 October 2015 18: 10 New
          +13
          Quote: katalonec2014
          Border control does not mean that the LDNR army will allow to pull heavy equipment to the border, a maximum of “Spartans”, and in the case of kipish with a clear conscience, they will leave it to themselves.

          Who told you this? Border control means that the state can fully contribute to its full potential for protecting it. The agreement doesn’t say anything about the restrictions. Have you read the signed agreement of the Minsk agreements? It refers to the disarmament of all armed groups, the organization of local elections according to Ukrainian, I repeat according to Ukrainian laws. That is, the region is returned to the field of Ukrainian legislation little by little. And as for the Ukrainian formations that may fall under the aegis of the unlawful, there are practically no such formations, because they reintegrated the entire formation into the Armed Forces, Ministry of Internal Affairs and SBU.

          P.S. Bosses from Moscow have pointed out this way. These pseudo-leaders do not decide anything. They do what they are told!
          But there is one more peculiarity. Those who do not agree with this decision. So it is quite reasonable that some groups accuse the leadership of betrayal, and the likelihood of strife is very high. But this is a big plus for Kiev.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 October 2015 18: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            . Why? Bosses from Moscow have pointed out this way. These pseudo-leaders do not decide anything. They do what they are told!

            And where do they go. The problem is not in them, they are just controlled
            1. alone
              alone 6 October 2015 18: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And where do they go. The problem is not in them, they are just controlled

              Alexander welcome! It is simply written for those who firmly believe that these pseudo-leaders pursue independent and their own policies, as well as have significant support in the region. Believe me, they don’t have any support, because they have completely shown their incompetence in managing the region. who calls himself a leader, stuffs his pocket, trying to secure his old age. But usually these people do not live up to old age. No one needs processed consumables. They are quickly disposed of, often by road accidents)) hi
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 6 October 2015 18: 49 New
                +2
                Quote: lonely
                There everyone who calls himself a leader, n

                I already wrote that there are no leaders in general, only Putin. As Putin says, so be it, all the rest is to make noise.
                Hello Baku hi
          2. katalonec2014
            katalonec2014 6 October 2015 18: 40 New
            +3
            In principle, yes, but on the other hand, if they lay down their arms, then despite the amnesty there will be a massacre, since the national battalions are legalized, and the personnel often consisting of a criminal element will simply spit out the declared amnesty.
            Hence the uncertain future of both Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
            1. Felix1
              Felix1 7 October 2015 21: 15 New
              -1
              In the National Battalions there is no criminality., And territories
              "LDNR" will pass a kind of sweep
              "quarantine".
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        3. Felix1
          Felix1 7 October 2015 20: 56 New
          -1
          By that time, the army of the LPR will no longer be.
      3. alone
        alone 6 October 2015 18: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Not served
        Passages at the border, in which case it’s easy to organize. But all the same, I think that at first all measures are by agreement, and then border control.

        )))
        Do you think Kiev does not take this option into account? When restoring the border, they will do everything to ensure that the mouse doesn’t slip out of it. In vain you underestimate Ukraine. Their leaders, although insignificant, have potential.
        1. hrych
          hrych 6 October 2015 19: 52 New
          0
          Quote: lonely
          When restoring the border, they will do everything to make the mouse slip from there.

          No need to put the cart ahead of the engine, while we agreed on the withdrawal of weapons up to 100 mm to the buffer and the transfer of elections and all. No one will give the border to the enemy. In fact, the conflict is “frozen”, but not by Piglet and Donetsk, but by Voldemar, Francois and Angelka, the latter pay the bills. Those. refugees will return to Donbass, the infrastructure will be restored, the power vertical will be formed (these elections are necessary 300 years) and the army of New Russia will finally be formed - one of the most combat-ready (thanks to combat experience and professionalism) in Eastern Europe. Ukraine, at the moment, will receive demobilization with destabilization due to crowds of dissatisfied armed rabble, sponsors stop paying for the war, but pay Ukrainian debts and need allowance for swarthy and mordant Arab refugees, winter is coming, and the heating season in Europe is holy. The most severe economic crisis, the war of the oligarchs and law enforcement officers and the endless "Maidan" ...
          1. Felix1
            Felix1 7 October 2015 21: 24 New
            -1
            dreamer. everyone has already agreed, the information is given in certain portions so as not to shock the people. "smooth transition".
    2. alex74nur
      alex74nur 6 October 2015 17: 47 New
      0
      Border control will be restored only after the election. But before the election, Parasu will have to implement all the points of the Minsk agreements. And the Gauleiter of Ukraine now has a choice on the one hand of the EU in the person of Hollande and Merkel, another racket with grenades from V. Rada.
      1. Makarov
        Makarov 6 October 2015 17: 49 New
        +3
        Where does this information come from? Border restoration should be carried out (according to the contract) until December 31 ...
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 6 October 2015 17: 54 New
          0
          Makarov

          Yes, there will be no control over the restoration of the border ... you are either naive or misunderstood ... yeah, right now ... holoucrops will go down the drain with the Rostov region ... they will also smell PSC ... I’m ready to argue about cognac ... :)
          1. Makarov
            Makarov 6 October 2015 18: 01 New
            +1
            maybe misunderstood maybe naive ... but in Minsk-2 it is indicated ...
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 6 October 2015 18: 20 New
              +5
              Quote: Makarov
              in Minsk-2 it is indicated

              - what item? under what conditions?
              - What clauses of agreements must be implemented before “control over the border” returns to Ukraine?

              We carefully read the article:

              During this time, Ukraine will be obliged to fulfill all the obligations undertaken under the Minsk Agreements. Namely:

              - grant Donbass a special status
              - to prevent the prosecution and punishment of persons - participants in the events on the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions
              - as well as re-vote the amendments to the Constitution in the new edition agreed with us (LDNR)

              Yes, for each of these three points Poroshenko will be torn to rags. "Their" and tear .. he is technically unable to accomplish this..

              And you are “border control, border control” .. wink

              First - the fulfillment of the conditions, and only then - border control. Voooot ..
              1. Makarov
                Makarov 6 October 2015 18: 26 New
                +3
                explain to me stupid what this means: "technically not able to fulfill," despite the fact that it seems to me that the first two points are ALREADY fulfilled, and the last does not play a special role because the elections will be held according to Ukrainian laws with all the ensuing consequences " pitfalls "...
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 6 October 2015 18: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Makarov
                  I think the first two points are ALREADY fulfilled

                  Nah .. not fulfilled .. Special status, agreed with LDNR - no. The law on the amnesty of militias is not.

                  Quote: Makarov
                  and the latter does not play a special role in view of the fact that the elections will be held according to Ukrainian laws with all the ensuing "pitfalls" ...

                  These "Ukrainian laws" should again be agreed with LDNR. That is, in fact, LDNR will write these "laws" themselves .. but by the hands of the Ukrainian side belay

                  So - Powder was driven into the corner. And here is how he will turn out of there - a boom to look at.

                  So far, as I understand it, they have begun the withdrawal of light small arms from the contact line of the parties, which is good ..

                  Quote: Makarov
                  with all the ensuing "pitfalls"

                  "With flowing .. stones" - this is strong (no offense. The phrase amused, no more) laughing
                  1. vsoltan
                    vsoltan 7 October 2015 00: 40 New
                    +1
                    Are you serious about border control? RF, you think, will allow? Oh, don’t tell my slippers, Abram Moyiseevich .. :) Not so disinterested are our interests ... and to hell to them, Khokhlyaram ... they will violate the Minsk agreements .... What are you discussing, gentlemen? Everything is clear ...
                  2. Makarov
                    Makarov 7 October 2015 10: 22 New
                    0
                    Knowing how such issues were resolved for 1500 years, we can assume (I emphasize - assume) that they will be able to "agree" there and the amendments to the Constitution will remain untouched or they will add a few lines that do not solve anything ...
              2. fif21
                fif21 6 October 2015 22: 40 New
                +3
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Yes, for each of these three points Poroshenko will be torn to rags. "His" and tear .. he is technically unable to fulfill it ..
                What then is the "joke" about postponing the election? Why delay the legitimization of power in LDNR?
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              4. Felix1
                Felix1 7 October 2015 21: 35 New
                -2
                the article is not worth a penny, but a lot has been put on the Minsk agreements.
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 6 October 2015 18: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: Makarov
          Where does this information come from? Border restoration should be carried out (according to the contract) until December 31 ...

          Where is it written in the contract?

          Quote: https://tvrain.ru/articles/polnyj_tekst_dogovora_po_vypolneniju_minskih_soglashe
          nij-381846 /
          9. The restoration of full control over the state border by the government of Ukraine in the entire conflict zone, which should begin on the first day after local elections and end after a comprehensive political settlement (local elections in certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions based on the Law of Ukraine and constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, subject to paragraph 11, in consultation and in consultation with representatives of certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions within the framework of the Tripartite Contact Group

          Quote: alex74nur
          Gauleiter of Ukraine now has a choice on the one hand of the EU in the person of Hollande and Merkel, another baggage with grenades by V. Rada

          Exactly yes
          1. Makarov
            Makarov 6 October 2015 18: 34 New
            +1
            Well, since one side has changed the terms of the contract, should all other points be considered valid? And once again, let me ask: what does "technically impossible" mean?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 6 October 2015 19: 33 New
              +2
              Quote: Makarov
              What does technically impossible mean?

              It means "impossible even with all desire."

              A car, for example, is not technically adapted to fly. For him, this is "technically impossible." As for Poroshenko-to comply with the Minsk agreement. He, too, for this .. not adapted request

              Somehow yes
              1. SPACE
                SPACE 6 October 2015 22: 08 New
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Somehow

                And nothing else. hi Everything is logical and reasonable. When Minsk came up with GDP, all this was probably calculated to the current situation and I think even further. Minsk is doing its job, the hot phase has begun to decline, it is impossible to come to an agreement with this power in principle, and time is running out, a default has loomed over the Ukrainian economy. How much patience is enough for Europe and the United States to secretly feed Ukraine, without guarantees for success and prospect.
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 6 October 2015 23: 07 New
                  0
                  Quote: SPACE
                  How much patience is enough for Europe and the United States to secretly feed Ukraine, without guarantees for success and prospects

                  And not for long, and it is necessary: ​​as soon as they “associate” in the EU, the ho.hlyatsky lands will go under the hammer “for debts”, the noblemen will come down with claims to return the family estates and lands .. and there will be no one to object! All "by law."
                  As for the impending default - it was rather not the "clairvoyant" Putin who calculated it, but the State Department: it’s easier for them to tear up dill in this manner. But Russia does not need a dead Outskirts - what, restore it at their own expense ?! Dismiss We need strong allies .. Or not at all.
              2. Makarov
                Makarov 7 October 2015 10: 26 New
                0
                Well, does he still have another year left? Maybe in time for a year?
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      3. Felix1
        Felix1 7 October 2015 21: 44 New
        0
        elections under Ukrainian law, this is just the last in the agreements, and it is not written anywhere when they should be held, in March or in August
  4. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 6 October 2015 17: 32 New
    +5
    And how will they now rewrite the Constitution of Ukraine, and even the amnesty must be carried out ... interestingly Petro will survive this time? at least Lyashko has already declared a betrayal of the interests of Ukraine.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 6 October 2015 17: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: katalonec2014
      And how will they now rewrite the Constitution of Ukraine

      The question is not how, the question is who?
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 6 October 2015 18: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        The question is not how, the question is who?


        Hmm ... now they’ll peck ... Yes, those who helped write our Constitution in 1993 ...
  5. Barboskin
    Barboskin 6 October 2015 17: 33 New
    +2
    In a year, Ukraine will either disappear from the political map of the world or it will be another Ukraine. The news is far from mixed, there is no reason for emotions, we will wait for further developments.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 6 October 2015 18: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Barboskin
      In a year, Ukraine will either disappear from the political map of the world or it will be another Ukraine.



      In vain think so, hope ...

      If now the Donbass is driven into the zone of Ukrainian legislation, if the armed resistance is put out there, then yes, it will be another Urkain ...

      Listen to the cries of ZRADovtsev - they yell that Porosya and Yaytsenyuh gave the country a concession ... (though without specifying to whom, and forgetting that ZRada herself participated in creating such a situation) ...

      Yes, there will be another Urkain ... Donbass will be smothered, declared illegal militias and will disarm EXACTLY the militia, not the law enforcement officers, who all of a sudden became officially “white and fluffy” as part of the Armed Forces ... And there will be a state on our border that is even more abrupt than Hitler Germany preparing for war with Russia ...
    2. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 6 October 2015 18: 45 New
      +1
      Plus. This is "all gone" in the comments it is impossible to read.
  6. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 6 October 2015 17: 37 New
    +2
    Petya, go booze, then the peramoga doesn’t shine, you’ll be disgraced again .... go booze, this one works best for you, kosher vodka, huh ?!
  7. exalex2
    exalex2 6 October 2015 17: 38 New
    -1
    Now everyone has shown who is who. Bidding began. Who, whom, where and what should, and what will get for it .. They themselves decided so. Bg to help. It wasn’t "putinsil", they themselves were "blown away" .. As Lenin said, "political forgive the ducks"
    1. Sagittarius YaNAO
      Sagittarius YaNAO 6 October 2015 17: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: exalex2
      Now everyone has shown who is who. Bidding began. Who, whom, where and what should, and what will get for it .. They themselves decided so. Bg to help. It wasn’t "putinsil", they themselves were "blown away" .. As Lenin said, "political forgive the ducks"

      NOT blown away. Strength in truth, not in weapons and ALGA ...
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 6 October 2015 21: 55 New
      0
      Quote: exalex2
      It wasn’t "putinsil", they themselves were "blown away" .. As Lenin said, "political forgive ducks"

      This is a minus. The leadership of New Russia has before their eyes examples of Mozgovoy, Batman, and a number of other leaders who dared to have a different point of view from Surkov’s (I put quotes because the influence is multivector, and Surkov’s is an understandable collective image). A normal person, at least, has an instinct for self-preservation. As a maximum - he is nevertheless trying to do something really useful for his people, not too resisting pressure from outside .. Zakharchenko, in my opinion, plays the “sheep”, remaining a wolf.
  8. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 6 October 2015 17: 38 New
    +2
    Judging by the gloomy face of Petya recently in numerous photos, he realizes that he will not hold out.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 6 October 2015 18: 41 New
      0
      Quote: armored optimist
      he understands that he will not hold out.



      To a glass in the morning? Well, heart failure will suddenly overtake ...

      Great sorrow ...
  9. sv68
    sv68 6 October 2015 17: 39 New
    +10
    "finita la comedy" -bolivar can not stand the two? Are we waiting for the appearance of NATO bases in the Luhansk region and Donetsk region? The Novorossia project must be closed down !!! r.s-I wrote what I think, and I don’t give me all the disadvantages of idiots !!!
    1. Makarov
      Makarov 6 October 2015 17: 50 New
      +4
      but I'm trying to understand the logic of those who are happy about this event ... so far no one has really explained ... I'm waiting)))
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 6 October 2015 18: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: Makarov
        а I'm trying to understand the logic of those who are happy about this event... so far no one has really explained ... I'm waiting)))


        Glad is the one who has not yet had time to realize all the perniciousness of what is happening ...
      2. fif21
        fif21 6 October 2015 22: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: Makarov
        but I'm trying to understand the logic of those who are happy about this event ... so far no one has really explained ... I'm waiting)))
        Why rejoice? "Divorced" the boys, like suckers. They fought defending their interests perfectly! And they could not legitimize their power request Caught in a political web of witty schemers.
    2. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 6 October 2015 17: 53 New
      +3
      “Finita” happened in September 2014, only no one noticed then.
      1. aleks700
        aleks700 6 October 2015 20: 22 New
        +4
        I noticed. But we are all weepers.
        1. Dr. Livesey
          Dr. Livesey 6 October 2015 21: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: sv68
          finita la comedy "-bolivar can not stand the two?

          Quote: Makarov
          but I'm trying to understand the logic of those who are happy about this event ... so far no one has really explained ... I'm waiting)))

          Quote: veksha50
          Glad is the one who has not yet had time to realize all the perniciousness of what is happening ...

          Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
          “Finita” happened in September 2014, only no one noticed then.

          Quote: aleks700
          I noticed. But we are all weepers.

          Good evening, comrades. laughing
  10. roskot
    roskot 6 October 2015 17: 39 New
    +7
    The move is not straightforward. Where time will lead. And the fact that France and Germany is not clear to our side for a long time.
  11. sl22277
    sl22277 6 October 2015 17: 40 New
    +2
    The full implementation of Minsk 2 is the end for the pig! This means the abolition of the ATO, that there are no terrorists, separatists from the Russian Federation. Failure to comply with Minsk 2 leads to elections, which means autonomy, and the Russian Federation already recognizes these elections.
    1. Makarov
      Makarov 6 October 2015 17: 42 New
      +10
      Dear, read the points of Minsk-2 ... the full implementation of these points is the end for the Donbass ...
      1. sl22277
        sl22277 6 October 2015 17: 54 New
        +2
        I will not evaluate. I completely disagree with you. I advise you to re-read Minsk-2. The law "On the special order of local self-government in certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions" This is just the opportunity to save for those who fought and died. The republics (Regions) will be able to live and not exist ...
        1. Makarov
          Makarov 6 October 2015 18: 06 New
          +2
          The main thing for me is the restoration of control over the border - if Kiev succeeds, it will be the finish .... but a month earlier a month later it does not play a role .... and besides, when they agree, they concede something ... Here is what it would be interesting to know ...
        2. KGB WATCH YOU
          KGB WATCH YOU 6 October 2015 18: 10 New
          +8
          Law "On the special procedure for local self-government in certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions"


          Fuck it, nobody needs this "special management." It sits in Kiev, today it gives a "special status", will be picked up in a year.
          May 2, what did they vote in the referendum? For state independence. In November last year, they elected the heads of republics (according to their laws). Now, for some reason, local elections under Ykrovsky laws? (Yes, with the mythical "special status", but it doesn’t matter) What fright? This is called a betrayal of national interests (LPR and DPR) and the leadership of ORDiLOSOS should be brought before the tribunal.
          1. Makarov
            Makarov 6 October 2015 18: 14 New
            0
            If you read this law, it’s valid for three years ... the year has already passed, the second is on the way ... everything is on schedule)
        3. avia1991
          avia1991 6 October 2015 21: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: sl22277
          Law "On the special procedure for local self-government in certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions"

          Have you read this law?
          Quote: sl22277
          then the opportunity to preserve what they fought and died

          Do not carry nonsense, I apologize for the expression. This law allows Kiev to turn the power on the ground, as you wish. Who coordinated it with Donbass, do not remind? ..
        4. Dr. Livesey
          Dr. Livesey 6 October 2015 21: 47 New
          0
          Quote: sl22277
          This is precisely the opportunity to preserve the fact that they fought and died.

          I once read a comment on the network, it struck me in memory ...
          "Dad, why did Donbass militias fight and die?
          "For the sacred right of New Russia to be part of Ukraine, son!"
          Didn’t you, by chance, write?
        5. vsoltan
          vsoltan 7 October 2015 00: 54 New
          -1
          What to discuss Minsk-2? Bullshit and dick ... time is dragging on ... well, let's really consider the situation ... the outskirts are dead, the LDNR authorities are now playing inexplicably, and that's it, everyone has set their sights on pulling the unviable Little Russia to pieces ... and what's wrong here? Everything is correct ... and it’s normal and in a different way and should not be .. And they don’t shine for them ... subject, damn it .... Ugh, enough of these ... independent ...
          1. vsoltan
            vsoltan 7 October 2015 21: 43 New
            0
            Oh, I was surprised by the minus from the hidden sage ... are there any arguments?
  12. KGB WATCH YOU
    KGB WATCH YOU 6 October 2015 17: 46 New
    +17
    The new bottom is broken! Hooray, comrades! And as we threatened, we will hold elections according to our laws, we are independent, a disgrace. It is good that those who died for the people's republics do not see this whole circus.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 6 October 2015 17: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      The new bottom is broken! Hooray, comrades! And as we threatened, we will hold elections according to our laws, we are independent, a disgrace. It is good that those who died for the people's republics do not see this whole circus.

      .... and as if after all the living would not envy the dead .. :(
  13. sv68
    sv68 6 October 2015 17: 47 New
    +8
    interesting, and then the guarantor is just as cowardly and will betray Syria?
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 6 October 2015 17: 54 New
      +6
      Tel Aviv Accords Sounds!
    2. Das Boot
      Das Boot 6 October 2015 18: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: sv68
      betray?

      politically incorrect. According to network etiquette, it is necessary to grill - "merge" laughing

      Quote: sv68
      Syria

      if a new object of national interests appears that needs a curator - Zimbabwe, for example. Or the moon ...
    3. avia1991
      avia1991 6 October 2015 21: 17 New
      0
      Quote: sv68
      then the guarantor is also cowardly and will betray Syria?

      It's not about cowardice: there is pure pragmatism - that is, "profitable, not profitable." In Syria - more precisely, in its oil reserves - Russian billionaires are interested, that is, Rosneft, Lukoil and others like them. Add to this the interest of large shareholders of these companies, such as BP, ExxonMobil, etc. - and it will become clear what significant reasons, besides "providing allied assistance" and the fight against terrorism, of course, encourage us to fight ISIS wassat
      1. Dr. Livesey
        Dr. Livesey 6 October 2015 22: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: avia1991
        It's not about cowardice: there is pure pragmatism - that is, "profitable, not profitable." In Syria - more precisely, in its oil reserves - Russian billionaires are interested, that is, Rosneft, Lukoil and others like them. Add to this the interest of large shareholders of these companies, such as BP, ExxonMobil, etc. - and it will become clear what significant reasons, besides "providing allied assistance" and the fight against terrorism, of course, encourage us to fight ISIS

        And yet, you look, against the backdrop of a new round of Middle Eastern turmoil, the price of oil will go up again! True, it would not be bad for Russian billionaires to take on part of military spending, thereby saving the state budget of the Russian Federation. We would recall the experience of the Second World War when Soviet citizens bought tanks and planes for their savings and transferred them to the Red Army! I am sure it would not be very unprofitable for the Russian rich. He sold one yacht, another sports car, a third villa in France, and here’s another / two “Dryers” that darling aptly hit. lol
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 6 October 2015 22: 04 New
        -1
        And what silently minus ?! Nothing to argue? wassat
    4. vsoltan
      vsoltan 7 October 2015 00: 57 New
      0
      Draste ... "Betray"? I do not understand, but what is Syria with Assad more important than Russian prosperity? More relevant to our interests? It will be necessary, it will merge ... and it will be done right .. And, I am not catching up ... maybe we will untie the 3 world for the Arabs?
  14. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 6 October 2015 18: 00 New
    +18
    Someone here wrote and beat in the chest that they would give the ends of dill to winter. The second was fine and no use. At the same time, the Minsk disgrace was prolonged. And here, too, they shouted that this would not happen. Already there. Not for this they dealt with the people who fought for republics and put Surkov-Akhmetov’s lackeys. Yankees don’t dur.aki, they know their business tightly. Another border with the republics will give the Ukrainians and when they begin to slaughter the Russians, there will be a howl that they deceived us, but it will be too late. By the way, dill from January 1 is an associate member of the EU. And no one from the West will give it to us anyway (which IDD knife will be taken away from Russia’s chest). They will throw grandmothers, set them against Crimea, and arrange sabotage and all sorts of crap. And they will again complain about different mnogohodovochki, and the train bye-bye to Vorkuta. All this is vain. Although at the helm liberals, the Anglo-Saxon disposition, still the USA and the gop company are partners and friends, which from these wait for good traders.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 6 October 2015 18: 41 New
      +1
      I don’t like such pessimism .. why complicate things like that? Everything will be fine, we'll figure it out. Smile and everything will be alright wink
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 6 October 2015 19: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        Smile and everything will be alright

        That's right !!! But to smile this time is so that all these kind people do not experience any illusions, never.
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 6 October 2015 19: 28 New
          -1
          And ... the evil men pinned down from work, the beer wasn’t enough, they minus it)))))
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 6 October 2015 19: 52 New
            0
            Who is minus there, promote me one more time))
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 6 October 2015 21: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        why is it so complicated?

        With the fact that JUST SO “above” nothing is being done.
        However, you can stupidly "go with the flow" - also a good position, quite painless .. but only too much - Do not be offended when it comes to understanding that the question "where do you swim" is decided by others for you.
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 6 October 2015 21: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      They will throw grandmothers, set off on the Crimea, arrange sabotage and all kinds of crap

      About this, they will not rust - the technology is proven. And with all this, the organizers of sabotage will not be recognized as terrorists. Although dill has proved more than once that they can fight only with the weak, with civilians and prisoners. And they will probably continue in the same vein.
  15. Prutkov
    Prutkov 6 October 2015 18: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: Makarov
    Where does this information come from? Border restoration should be carried out (according to the contract) until December 31 ...

    According to the agreement, and the elections must be before December 31.
    1. Makarov
      Makarov 6 October 2015 18: 12 New
      +3
      that’s just that, it means they’ve “lost”, have you given a delay of one year? I would like to know that they lost ....
  16. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 6 October 2015 18: 12 New
    0
    Well done guys, little by little - a feel-good, but their side arched. And by 2016. you look and the powder finally sniffs and glues the fins ... the main thing is not to shoot. An important matter is not hasty, and we will help them with whatever we can.
    1. sl22277
      sl22277 6 October 2015 18: 26 New
      0
      A plus. Here I completely agree. What is saved is saved. They simply won’t give it any other way. (It depends not only on Ukrov, Washington and the EU rule the country). Otherwise, people will die again. What steps need further time will tell ...
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 6 October 2015 18: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Well done boys, little by littlebut their side is arched. And by 2016. you look and the powder finally sticks and glues the fins... the main thing is not to shoot


      Firstly, if it didn’t work out with a weapon in his hands, through blood and death, then a quiet little bit of fun will not work ...

      Secondly ... "powder fins glues together" ... And to us what's the difference ??? It's not about gunpowder ... There are such ypodov in the USA clip to hell and more ... The same mad Mishiko will be put on, and he can do such things that mother - do not worry ...

      "And we will help them with what we can."... Laugh, mock ??? Suppose, edren root ... All cat Yatsenyuhovskogo tail ...
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 6 October 2015 19: 08 New
        -5
        Do you propose to introduce our troops there? Want a 3rd world? Just wondering, voice your opinion on the way out of this problem.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 6 October 2015 20: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Just wondering, voice your opinion on the way out of this problem.

          The opinion was voiced more than once - and at the very beginning. Now only a statement of what moment is lost .. irrevocably. Well, if you started backing away - "cheers" to shout a bit late.
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Do you suggest introducing our troops there? Want a 3rd world?

          Into Syria introduced. WHERE is the 3rd World ?!
          I repeat: the moment was missed here. In the same way, there was a legitimate Yanukovych, EXACTLY THE SAME He turned to Putin for help then! Putin did not dare.
          Now, perhaps, there will be an opportunity to put more stringent pressure on Kiev - if our operation in Syria succeeds. But this opportunity will be political, but whether it coincides with the economic is a question! For the continuation, in the form of an official "invitation" from the Iraqi leadership to "bomb ISIS" and on its territory, is already writhing. All this flies into a pretty penny, which is still unknown when it will return.
          PS
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Well - you do not answer? Only cons can you bet?
          And I answer, and not minus hi
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      3. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 6 October 2015 20: 04 New
        +1
        Well - you do not answer? Only cons can you bet?
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 7 October 2015 10: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Well - you do not answer? Only cons can you bet?



          If THIS is for me, then I don’t put anyone cons ... Look, and find ...
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      5. avia1991
        avia1991 6 October 2015 21: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: veksha50
        All the cat under the tail ...

        belay Does he also have a cat ?! Poor animal .. lol
        Quote: veksha50
        It’s not a matter of gunpowder ... There are such ypodov in the USA clip to hell and more ...

        Definitely. And the candidate after the parashka has long been determined - waiting in line.
  17. sv68
    sv68 6 October 2015 18: 21 New
    +11
    I read comments and bullshit from this kindergarten-hey, oh, on the site! people !!! are you so narrow-minded or pretend to be? After a couple of months, the militias remaining at large can be read off on the fingers — are you glad about this?
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 6 October 2015 18: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: sv68
      I read comments and bullshit from this kindergarten-hey, oh, on the site! people !!! are you so narrow-minded or pretend to be?

      laughing and I also like that the same (!) news enthralled both the Hohls and some respected colleagues at VO. "Coincidence? I do not think ..." (c)
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 6 October 2015 18: 46 New
        0
        and what, there are Ukrainians? Well, I mean inadequate ...
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 6 October 2015 18: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          and what, there are Ukrainians?

          and I meant xoxles outside this site. The article says: In Kiev, regarding the transfer of elections (transfer there, however, is called "cancellation"), real euphoria reigns ...
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    2. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 6 October 2015 18: 42 New
      +3
      They have HPP (such a disease smile ), do not bother them to live in their imaginary world.
  18. veksha50
    veksha50 6 October 2015 18: 22 New
    +4
    "Poroshenko:
    This paves the way for the return of Ukraine to the Donbass
    with the help of elections according to Ukrainian legislation, based on OSCE standards and, of course, without occupation forces "...

    B ................... !!!!!!!

    Something has no words .... And the war is not needed, but the retreat after a sea of ​​blood and mountains of corpses is nonsense ...

    And this is a retreat ... Look, Piglet perked up, bastard ...
  19. Woolfy
    Woolfy 6 October 2015 18: 24 New
    0
    knows what! I believe in one thing that we won’t give donbass an insult ... And one more thing, who told me that federalization will not be? Ukrainians themselves, so we’ll still see .... But nevertheless, all this is alarming
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 6 October 2015 20: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Woolfy
      But still, all this is alarming

      This is the key phrase. And the beginning .. romantics, as a rule, do not make Decisions. And to our pragmatists, "I believe, I don’t believe" - ​​like "to the moon."
  20. samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 October 2015 18: 45 New
    +5
    And who is now for this "... sky" Kremlin will fight, work, vote ...
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 6 October 2015 19: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      And who is now for this "... sky" Kremlin will fight, work, vote ...

      and what happened?
    2. anti-Semite
      anti-Semite 6 October 2015 19: 09 New
      +1
      same as before
    3. Dr. Livesey
      Dr. Livesey 6 October 2015 22: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      And who is now for this "... sky" Kremlin will fight, work, vote ...

      Abroad (Syria) will help the Kremlin! Votes will even increase. For the next six months, for sure
  21. 35lisment35
    35lisment35 6 October 2015 19: 11 New
    +5
    Merging New Russia quietly
    1. alone
      alone 6 October 2015 19: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: 35lisment35
      Merging New Russia quietly


      belay are you V.V. Putin himself?))) wassat
  22. ssn18
    ssn18 6 October 2015 19: 19 New
    +2
    “We have examined the statements and recommendations of Ms. Merkel and Mr. Hollande.”

    Cool licked. But the opinion of the Russian Federation and GDP does not count? Those. nemchura with eaters of amphibians they persecute humanitarian aid.
  23. ssn18
    ssn18 6 October 2015 19: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Not served
    Not served

    That says it all. No offense.
  24. ssn18
    ssn18 6 October 2015 19: 29 New
    +4
    Quote: Woolfy
    I believe in one thing that we won’t give Donbas an insult.

    As there is a classic: "Blessed is he who believes ..."
    1. Woolfy
      Woolfy 6 October 2015 20: 29 New
      +2
      You know why I believe that there are three colleagues from the unit fighting .... And I’m far from blessed!
      1. ssn18
        ssn18 6 October 2015 21: 00 New
        0
        I respect But if only everything depended on them.
        1. Woolfy
          Woolfy 7 October 2015 05: 08 New
          +1
          I contacted them myself in prostration. But it couldn’t be different, because they are soldiers and not politicians ,,,, I wanted to say this, I believe in it because otherwise it is a loss and is deadly for LDNR. I think we need to be patient, let's see and then draw conclusions
  25. TiGRoO
    TiGRoO 6 October 2015 19: 40 New
    +8
    Remember how in May 2014, here and in general in Runet, the KhPPs shouted that it is impossible to send troops of the Russian Federation, since this will mean the 3rd world, as well as the aggressively-minded population of Ukraine? We started bombing ISIS and other moderate terrorists in Syria, howling, whining but swallowing and wiping NATO and co, it would be the same with Ukraine in May 2014, we had Yanyk, there were no junta elections yet, the APU pissed and fought at the thought that we will send troops, but ... We didn’t bring in, then Minsky, and now the moment is closer when the Donbass will become part of Ukraine (not ours, but the European-pi * ndoskoy), and the aggressive population would be quiet and afraid to blather, except for the banderlogs that went completely (they would have galloped through the forests, like their ancestors). Ask how so? And everything is simple, money ... Putin was convinced by all sorts of economists that it would be better to agree (and our Crimea) than to save Ukraine. Now I hope that if the junta begins to become completely impudent, Putin will listen to the military and still give the go-ahead for flogging, I really hope so ...
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 6 October 2015 20: 35 New
      +7
      Quote: TiGRoO
      Ask how so? And everything is simple, money ... Putin was convinced by all sorts of economists that it would be better to agree (and our Crimea) than to save Ukraine.

      I’m lousing about incentives .. I repeat, I have already written about this here more than once, and I and other participants: "Convincing" Putin in One Day Mr. Didier Burkhalter, the then Chairman of the OSCE, and part-time President of the well-known "country-bank". Convinced during a one-day visit to Moscow, May 7, 2014 .. What arguments he cited - we are unlikely to ever know. But from that moment on, the phrase "the Russians do not abandon their own!" left the rhetoric of our President. Instead, it has become fashionable to say "this conflict has no military solution. We must agree."
      So they agree ... for the second year already.
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 6 October 2015 21: 10 New
        +6
        As I understand it, the gentleman came and told the guarantor that if you raise the kubage, you will lose your dough and dough of your friends in Zabugoria once and for all. Now it’s doubly clear that Stalin’s comrades do not like the guarantor. He didn’t have anything but boots and an overcoat, and pulled the country into the Empire.
      2. Kilo-11
        Kilo-11 6 October 2015 22: 24 New
        +1
        Last year, for these thoughts, local cheers patriots threw me a bunch of minuses, wrote immediately after the visit of D. Burkhalter.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 6 October 2015 22: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Kilo-11
          local cheers patriots threw a bunch of minuses for these thoughts

          And what - did it upset you? You have to fight for Truth, and there are no “losses” here! wink
          1. Kilo-11
            Kilo-11 7 October 2015 11: 01 New
            0
            No absolutely not upset, it amazes how people "keep up with the times."
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  27. murking
    murking 6 October 2015 19: 52 New
    +1
    Many here perceive the conflict through the prism of personal confrontation with the Nazis, and this is an ordinary geopolitical game, without any emotions. Many do not know that Putin, in a direct line with the people of April 17, 2014, after the Crimea, before the war in the Donbas, at the very end answered the questions he had chosen. The answer concluding the transfer - It seems to me that only our people could have born the saying "On the world and death is red." How it is? Death is horror. No, it turns out. What is "on the world"? This means death for one’s own, for one’s people, in modern language, for one’s homeland. This is the deep root of our patriotism. Hence the mass heroism during military conflicts and wars, even self-sacrifice in peacetime. Hence the feeling of the elbow, our family values.
    We are less pragmatic than representatives of other nations, but the greatness of our country is also expressed in this. I do not want to offend anyone, other nations have their advantages, but this, of course, is ours. We have something to take from other nations, but we have our own values. They helped us. And they will still be useful to us. The last words, they will still be useful to us, it’s worth looking at the video. It was a clear hint that our volunteers would have to die in the Donbas, without the full support of the army, they used Girkin and many others in the dark, but Russia achieved the maximum that the Minsk Agreements could be victorious agreements, you can also see Putin’s joyful face when they are signed. No one will ever annex these territories, this is impossible, no one will ever give Ukraine control over the border, all these gestures are ordinary diplomatic dust, the status quo will remain for many years.
    Donbass is the spearhead of our spear against NATO, and it will perfectly cope with this, Ukraine has no chance of joining NATO while the DNI and LC exist.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 6 October 2015 20: 00 New
      0
      Well said! I fully share your point of view!
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    3. avia1991
      avia1991 6 October 2015 20: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: murking
      Russia has achieved the maximum that it could and Minsk Agreements are victorious agreements

      Do not be silly. In the end, Putin himself admitted that the leaders of the unrecognized republics "stepped on their throats by signing the Minsk agreements!" This is not a victory, but a painful compromise, who did not add responsibility to either Parashka or Merkelshe with Hollande - and even more so, to the Americans. Everything was done for one task: show that Russia is "white and fluffy", in respect of compliance with the notorious international law .. perhaps the entry of our armed forces into the war with ISIS was already planned then - and Putin, thus sacrificing the Donbass (in the sense of minimizing official assistance), untied his hands in the eyes of the "world community" when troops were sent to Syria ..
      1. murking
        murking 6 October 2015 21: 43 New
        -1
        You have amused me, the leaders of the DPR and LPR are puppets that they will tell them what they do, it's just an elementary technique, like we’re out of business, we tell them, but they can refuse. The victory is in the sense that Russia has achieved its goals, there are simply a lot of those who were repulsed, who believe that Russia could bite at least half of Ukraine, but this is unrealistic, thanks to stupid communists, a lot of body parts were amputated from Russia, it’s the same if you tell a disabled person without legs why he doesn’t run a hundred meters on a par with runners .Russia is very weak in fact, and without Europe, Russia in the future will not be able to withstand the American or Chinese centers of power, which is why it should come from a geopolitical party.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 6 October 2015 22: 49 New
          0
          Quote: murking
          Russia is very weak in fact, and without Europe, Russia in the future will not be able to withstand the American or Chinese centers of power,

          Rave. RUSSIAN could not write this.
          Not a minus - they will throw it to me without me.
          1. murking
            murking 7 October 2015 08: 18 New
            -1
            The loss of 100 million Slavs during the collapse of the USSR, in your opinion, did not make us weak, the outflow of many highly skilled workers, the loss of almost the entire industrial base that the USSR mainly developed in the western parts. So, America, every 2 years, adds one Russian economy, the fact that America has occupied almost all niches of development and it is almost impossible to move the leader. (try to create windows or the Internet) In Europe there are many of our allies, but they are not in the first roles, they are crushed through soft power, but there are enough people who understand that the union with Russia is as natural for them as it is for us. Our economic lag is too great, and we need an alliance with Germany, and there is no sense in most Ukrainian territories and they would lead to the collapse of Russia in the long run.
            1. Makarov
              Makarov 7 October 2015 10: 35 New
              0
              because of people like you We just ... have one big Motherland .... ugh!
    4. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 6 October 2015 21: 22 New
      +4
      Yes, really, the Shuvalovs, Dvorkovichs, Grefs and others like them, well, they really want to fall on the battlefield "for their own friends." Such friends for hell, but to the museum. They have one friend, a suitcase with money. That's for him, dear they drive the country into a coffin. You listen or read their verbal vysyers. Enemies are worse than P.I.d.do.s.t.a.n. They for the people, the country and other, other, other, other do not give a damn and forget. Enough of the cozl ov to justify.
      1. murking
        murking 7 October 2015 09: 00 New
        0
        You have all mixed up people horses, Gref, the head of the Sberbank has nothing to do with public administration, you will not say why Bill Gates is not going to die in Afghanistan, Shuvalov was a successful businessman, when he switched to the civil service he was seconded to Vladik, he also sent him to serve Shuvalov would have gone to defend his homeland, if necessary, because his son succeeded well in business, the homeless people from the station should lead your country =) Dvorkovich most of the time, was Medvedev's assistant as president and especially not that did not affect.
  28. avia1991
    avia1991 6 October 2015 19: 58 New
    +2
    official authorities of the DPR and LPR stated that they agree to postpone elections for peace in the region.
    This world is at a high price ..
    All the same, Moscow was crushing the "unrecognized republics" - it made me retreat again! How justified is this? Again, "time will tell"?
  29. KUOLEMA
    KUOLEMA 6 October 2015 20: 01 New
    +5
    Quote: sv68
    "finita la comedy" -bolivar can not stand the two? Are we waiting for the appearance of NATO bases in the Luhansk region and Donetsk region? The Novorossia project must be closed down !!! r.s-I wrote what I think, and I don’t give me all the disadvantages of idiots !!!

    vernyak buddy (violinist does not need uncle Vova) all the polymers were drained as usual
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  31. Frigate
    Frigate 6 October 2015 20: 08 New
    +6
    What kind of negotiations and treaties are we talking about with the Nazis. This is with those who killed and raped, now Donetsk and Lugansk should cooperate. You just need to put yourself in the place of the Donetsk people who have lost loved ones, survived so many hardships, and what is the result? But in the end, the Russian merchant sacrifices the dignity and lives of Russians in eastern Ukraine, in favor of their interests. Shame on you!
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 7 October 2015 00: 39 New
      +2
      Not fascists, but dear partners.
  32. onix757
    onix757 6 October 2015 20: 21 New
    +1
    Shame and complete surrender.
  33. alone
    alone 6 October 2015 20: 46 New
    +1
    Judging by the comments, as I understand it, more than half of the forum users present did not even read the points of the Minsk agreements))
    1. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 6 October 2015 21: 19 New
      0
      Yes, but the cries of “Vsepodalo”, “all-over”, “hastily”, and “we’re all over the world” heard

      What's here, what's on the Censor laughing
      Here are just the reasons for the screams are different. Unites their complete ignorance of the subject of conversation hi
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 6 October 2015 21: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      more than half of the present forum users did not even read the paragraphs of the Minsk agreements))

      You can think anything. But the "president parashenko" does not just think - he behaves as if he really did NOT READ.
      Most of the Minsk agreements should already be implemented. Who inhibited this process ?! And we, a means-man, to this "brake" with all courtesy: "Here you are, please, a little time! You, most importantly, nod that you do not mind the Minsk agreements .."
      A wonderful position, sir. It always makes it possible, without prejudice, to take another small step BACK .. and more ..
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 6 October 2015 22: 22 New
        +2
        Minus one: read the comment below:
        Quote: vignat21
        Today, on October 6, at a briefing, the head of the Petro Poroshenko Bloc faction in the Verkhovna Rada, Yuriy Lutsenko, stated the following:

        Do you welcome IT ?!
        If so, then what are you doing at VO? ..
        1. Ross_ulair
          Ross_ulair 6 October 2015 22: 48 New
          +2
          Although I didn’t minus, I will express myself hi

          The question is not that they jerk the junta. With this approach, no one will ever agree with the fact that Kiev de jure and de facto fulfills / performed Minsk-2. Moscow simply will not allow this, and therefore there will be neither control over the border, nor "amnesties", nor other buns that Porosenko is so eager for now.

          The question has now been asked before the lexical - either you are doing Minsk, and then you are a corpse (and not the fact that it’s only political lol ), or you don’t do it - then LDNR calmly holds its elections, and the process goes to the stage of freezing. For a lexeich, this is tantamount to option number one - it's time to collect manat and transfer your candy production somewhere to the USA.

          In Minsk-2, everything is written in Russian in white, and Moscow precisely requires the exact implementation of all agreements from Kiev (despite the fact that Europe is clearly not up to the Ruin now - it has already run into its problems, more than a million already). And Kiev now has a choice of two options, and both are not acceptable. That's the whole layout

          Threat There is also a third - a formidable ruin army goes on the attack through the isthmus to the Crimea or the last and decisive on LDNR. But this is already a variant of suicide. Type euthanasia terminally ill state, so as not to suffer
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 6 October 2015 23: 44 New
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            Quote: ROSS_Ulair
            The question is not that they jerk the junta.

            Of course.
            Quote: ROSS_Ulair
            The question has now been raised before the lexical - are you either fulfilling Minsk,

            WHO set?
            Merkel and Hollande are extremely careful in the dosage of pressure. And the State Department does not force Petya to tear, performing Minsk. If everything slows down - Moscow will "stand in a pose"? I doubt very much: we can’t handle the relations with the geyropa, given Syria and the coming Iraq. Means what? The process will be delayed.
            And since January 2016, Dill has been associated with the EU - accordingly, they will start to push legislation, establish contacts .. I already wrote that the “former” will attack, with claims to land and other property .. And EVERYTHING: you can forget about the hard pressure. Rather, they will begin to put more pressure on us: "Are you for the territorial integrity of Ukraine? Then do not pan over the border!" Etc., options are possible.
            That is, the process will be delayed - and at the same time for us the conditions will become less and less profitable. Actually, even now I would not argue that
            Quote: ROSS_Ulair
            Moscow is precisely the exact implementation of all agreements and requires from Kiev
            - “Formally” we can’t “demand”, but informally personally, Parashkin sneezed at our demands, and legally he is right - we ourselves (thank God, not me! am ) recognized him! request
            In addition, while Crimea is holding us by the throat: the bulk of the cargo is still delivered on dry land, electricity is delivered through dill .. they have trump cards for trade what
            As for the "third option", in which
            Quote: ROSS_Ulair
            the formidable ruin army goes on the attack through the isthmus to the Crimea or to the last and decisive on LDNR.
            about the attack on the Crimea - this is nonsense, no matter how much they shout, and go. There’s no way to go into open battle with the regular Russian army.
            But "last and decisive" - ​​they can do it. And if it turns out that Voentorg has become impoverished - and this is quite realistic - they can stupidly crush the masses. And do not think that on the other side go alone. They are sitting.
            That's something like hi
            Thanks for the objection - at least there is something to discuss wink
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 7 October 2015 00: 03 New
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              Quote: avia1991
              Thanks for the objection - at least there is something to discuss

              I want it too ... laughing

              Quote: avia1991
              And since January 2016, Dill has been associated with the EU - accordingly, they will start to push legislation, establish contacts .. I already wrote that the “former” will attack, with claims to land and other property .. And EVERYTHING: you can forget about the hard pressure. Rather, they will begin to put more pressure on us

              Everything is great, only:

              - the association is, in fact, nothing .. does not give special rights, but hangs on additional responsibilities
              - at the same time - Ukraine does not become “dearer” to the EU at all. Associated? Is Ukraine trying to "fit" itself with EU standards? Well, well ... Ukraine has problems with neighbors? Is it with those who feed us gas? Then these are the problems of Ukraine .. Why not?

              Quote: avia1991
              That is, the process will be delayed

              It will be so, and there’s nothing terrible ..

              Quote: avia1991
              while for us the conditions will become less and less profitable

              I see no reason for this. "Association" - IMHO NOT a reason.

              Quote: avia1991
              we can’t formally “demand”, but informally personally, parashkin sneezed at our demands

              And where did we get that the implementation of these agreements (in full precisely) is necessary for LDNR and Moscow? The weapons are removed, there will be no shooting .. you can calmly "put yourself in order", in every sense (I'm talking about LDNR).

              About Crimea - IMHO too much here, as everything was, it will remain so. As for the association, what after ..

              Quote: avia1991
              And if it turns out that Voentorg has become impoverished - and this is quite real

              This is with no fright? Not scanty, not scanty, and suddenly?

              I don’t understand .. I personally have this opinion "nicer and closer":

              Quote: avt
              I LONG TALK - ZUGZWANG at the Kiev junta and not just zugzwang, but also taking into account climatic conditions and the economic state of zugzwang with a flag falling on the clock! Well, they just MUST make any move and ANY leads to a worsening of their situation for them
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 7 October 2015 08: 26 New
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                I also want this.

                Roman, I saw late ..
                Well - shall we see each other again? wink We will discuss! good
            2. Ross_ulair
              Ross_ulair 7 October 2015 10: 18 New
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              Quote: avia1991
              WHO set?

              Geyropa is now far from Ruin on the agenda wassat
              And they wanted to spit on them - for them now the main thing is to provide themselves with the necessary hydrocarbons in the right amount, and to resettle refugees (preferably from the Young Europeans, including potential laughing )
              So they merge Piglets and do not think.
              About comrade association Cat man null I spoke below - I absolutely agree
              Donbass now needs peace and quiet. So that the shells in the city blocks wouldn’t burst (I had seen enough at the beginning of the year in the photo of the children killed in the trolley buses! My little daughter herself would have tore with bastards am ) And it will be freezing, the country of New Russia, or global autonomy, as in Minsk-2: ordinary people, I think, do not care if there is no war.
              So I think the Transnistria option is not the worst, but I think it will not come to that. GDP took a wait and see position, realizing that time plays against Piglets

              Quote: avia1991
              Moreover, while we are "held by the throat" Crimea

              Now they will turn off the electricity to Crimea - and they will get a symmetrical answer regarding their eastern regions (which are not LDNRs). As with airlines smile
              The cable, I think, if necessary, it is already possible to throw through the technological bridge. It is more complicated with cargoes, but logistics with sea and air can be arranged for three years. And there is already a bridge.

              Quote: avia1991
              But "last and decisive" - ​​they can do it. And if it turns out that Voentorg has become impoverished - and this is quite realistic - they can stupidly crush the masses. And do not think that on the other side go alone. They are sitting.

              I do not think that they can throw their hats. Their morale is now below the baseboard, IMHO. Their army is in field camps (on the eve of winter cold weather), while there are no active military operations. I think their terry desertion blooms and smells. And these are just flowers.
              And the LDNR army is in apartments / barracks. And with discipline, they are probably much better - above has already given an example with the bombing of neighborhoods. When such a motivation, you will begin to live in the trenches in winter. But there is no such need

              Quote: avia1991
              That's something like hi
              Thanks for the objection - at least there is something to discuss wink

              It's always a pleasure to discuss with a polite person. wink
  34. Agent 008
    Agent 008 6 October 2015 21: 28 New
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    The phrase "amnesty for militias" strikes me. More shameful expression and hard to come up with! In my understanding, amnesties for criminals, thieves, all kinds of scammers! It turns out the militia criminals or what? I represent a militia who is told: "You are not a hero of Donbass who fought for the freedom of Donbass with Bandera, but a member of a gang! But the good Poroshenko amnesties you all ..." Well, not a mockery of the militias?
  35. vignat21
    vignat21 6 October 2015 21: 38 New
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    Today, on October 6, at a briefing, the head of the Petro Poroshenko Bloc faction in the Verkhovna Rada, Yuriy Lutsenko, stated the following:
    “The amnesty law has been passed, and it does not provide for an amnesty for anyone suspected of murder, rape, bodily harm or other serious crimes. Thus, neither Motorola, nor Givi, nor others with machine guns can take part not only in the elections, but in general - in the free life of Donbass ... This also applies to Zakharchenko, who organized a state rebellion and personally gave orders to shoot at Ukrainian citizens. ”
    According to him, to conduct elections in the DPR and LPR, it will be necessary to adopt a special law through the parliament of Ukraine.
    “And in this law there will be prerequisites for the holding of elections ... The first is the withdrawal of the occupation forces. The second is the addition of weapons by local militants. Third, ensuring the presence of Ukrainian media in these territories. Fourth - participation in the elections will be accept only parties registered with the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine. And the fifth - temporarily displaced persons, in other words, refugees, will vote at the place of their current residence for the deputies of those places where they had a previous registration ”
    Here is a performance of "Minsk".
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 7 October 2015 00: 43 New
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      Chepushilen’s MMM party is still registered on the website of the CEC of Ukraine. So all with their own lol
  36. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 6 October 2015 21: 47 New
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    only the shooting stopped, the elections could really provoke aggression by the National Guard. I think the freezing of the conflict is more in the hands of the new Russia. As long as there is no shooting, you can put things in order and approach the 2016 elections more thoroughly.
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 7 October 2015 00: 42 New
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      How many did not freeze, such as you wrote that it is more to the advantage of ORDILOSOS. And never your words were confirmed.
      1. AdekvatNICK
        AdekvatNICK 7 October 2015 09: 38 New
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        and you sit in the basements, I will see how you will talk.
  37. Awaz
    Awaz 6 October 2015 21: 53 New
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    I've been observing the situation for so long and all the time, when the authorities of Donbass try to make not even concessions, but statements in which they agree to dialogue cause a lot of emotions among the “observers” of the war.
    My vision of the situation is that the war would end. And only then it is necessary to solve the problem. Where and when did the elections change something? But also . The authorities of Donbass AGREE to postpone the elections if the junta fulfills all points of Minsk2, which is not implemented at all from the other side. If Donbass is ready for the elections, they will be able to spend them any time they like, if the conditions are not met. And even if they were chatted to transfer, there is nothing shameful in this. In any case, Ukraine would not have the power to conduct them: there are no laws that need to be adopted, which they are unlikely to be able to pass there. And territories can live without elections. They essentially will not lose anything from these elections and will not lose. For New Russia, this would simply be a formality.
  38. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 6 October 2015 22: 12 New
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    A little off topic: GDP is a good leader, but we need someone who will be guided by the principle
    "I don’t change generals on privates."
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 6 October 2015 22: 46 New
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      Quote: HollyGremlin
      "I don’t change generals on privates."

      Who are you talking about? More specifically ..
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 6 October 2015 22: 52 New
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        Quote: avia1991
        Who are you talking about? More specifically.

        You need to know the classics .. know wink

        Quote: Vika
        ... there is a version that after the defeat at Stalingrad, the German command allegedly wanted to exchange Jacob Stalin for Field Marshal Paulus captured by the Red Army, and Stalin replied: “I’m not changing a soldier for Field Marshal!” However, no documentary evidence of this was found.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 6 October 2015 23: 14 New
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          Quote: Cat Man Null
          You need to know the classics .. know

          Roman, why do you think that only you have order with your memory?
          I asked who the commentator specifically refers to in relation to today - that is, if we are talking about Putin, it is not clear which general he refused to exchange for which ordinary .. bully
          Good evening by the way hi
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 6 October 2015 23: 26 New
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            Quote: avia1991
            Roman, why do you think that only you have order with your memory?

            I don’t think so, there was a corresponding smile.

            kind yes
  39. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 6 October 2015 22: 40 New
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    Nobody wrote, in my opinion - what if the conflict is frozen and will be like Transnistria.? What will it be then?
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 7 October 2015 00: 45 New
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      Nor will there be any Transnistria. If Obama does not tell Peter to go to war in a new way to the Donbass, or God forbid "liberate" Crimea, ORDiLOSOS will be part of Ukraine with a mythical "special status" for 3 years, 2 of which have almost passed.
  40. vsoltan
    vsoltan 7 October 2015 00: 34 New
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    Quote: Cat Man Null
    How for Poroshenko - to comply with the Minsk agreement


    Oh, excuse me, gentlemen, officers ... or comrades, I get in ... Do you seriously think that Russia, influencing LDNR, will allow control of the border by the other side? Oh, don’t tell my slippers, Abram Moyiseevich .. :)
  41. Metlik
    Metlik 7 October 2015 02: 46 New
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    By trading in the freedom of Russian society, power will lose respect both within and abroad.
  42. surrozh
    surrozh 7 October 2015 06: 58 New
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    Elections to LDNR according to Ukrainian laws will be recognized by both the OSCE and Ukraine, and therefore legitimate for the whole world. To this end, the Constitution will be amended to recognize LDNR as special territories with its own police and other armed groups - de jure it is Ukraine, de facto it is an independent New Russia with its borders. The amnesty applies to all participants - this is Zakharchenko, Plotnitsky and others in the Parliament with parliamentary immunity, this is the end for Poroshenko and the beginning of official de-Ukrainianization (the myth of evil non-brothers and the right Bandera people is dispelled, they create laws together, this is power). On the basis of amendments to the Constitution, other areas may require recognition of their special territories, and this is a civil war or a civilized divorce (collapse) of the country. In addition, Ukraine must pay pensions and rebuild the ruined LDNR infrastructure with the help of international institutions and not at the expense of Russia - this is the real result of the postponement of elections.
    1. Awaz
      Awaz 7 October 2015 16: 01 New
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      let's not talk about the tricky plan. What and how to grow together is not yet clear, but one thing is clear that the elections in the Donbass for the junta are more dangerous than leaving the situation as it is. Well, I agree with you. The conditions that drove the juntas are impossible for her, in any way ... Therefore, no elections according to the Ukrainian scenario will happen in the near future (well, at the beginning of the 16th year) Well, the junta will not be able to fulfill all the conditions Minsk2
  43. mamont5
    mamont5 7 October 2015 07: 04 New
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    Quote: ROSS_Ulair
    All right!
    Now the move of Kiev. And Kiev has a zungzwang. Any decision will now lead to the defeat of the junta

    Mnogohodovochka failed!

    Exactly. So, it is not clear about what "in Kiev ... euphoria"? They cried out loudest than all that they would not extend the “Minsk agreements” for the 2016 year, and now ... they’ll have to. That's right, Piglet in Paris was so sad.
  44. region46
    region46 7 October 2015 09: 20 New
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    I think this decision is from Moscow, we can’t even rake in Syria .... oh and in Khokhlostan
  45. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 7 October 2015 10: 02 New
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    It is incomprehensible to me (- - -) for so many? In another article yesterday, there was a lot on this subject, I later saw, on the topic of freezing. This is one of the options, one could answer my QUESTION. Somehow there is no answer was. Here if I argued that either (-) is understandable - disagreement. (-) there is something strange for the question. Others (- - -) are not cleaning yet. Maybe I can wait for an answer.
  46. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 8 October 2015 04: 05 New
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    Quote: avia1991
    And what silently minus ?! Nothing to argue? wassat

    Quote: vsoltan
    Draste ... "Betray"? I do not understand, but what is Syria with Assad more important than Russian prosperity? More relevant to our interests? It will be necessary, it will merge ... and it will be done right .. And, I am not catching up ... maybe we will untie the 3 world for the Arabs?

    I think - silently there can be minuses when the objections are such that it’s better not to print them, well, you understand? Or a person does not know how, without emotionally. Some of me are minus comfort, while others are the other way around. That is, people have different opinions. But (-) for the question is stupid. Moreover, a lot of (- -) appeared from 4 to 9 in the morning.
    ABM Arabs. Let’s remember when we started in Syria and what were the words with us. Recall how Russian interests are related to Syria, maybe they got all the hardships because of this? And patiently waited for GLONASS to correspond?
    At one time, the GDP asked me not to vote in the Donbas. We thought why. But Yanukovych was just a go-to-he-y.K. Maybe the United States paid him to behave so stupidly and stupidly. He was legitimate, and that’s all otherwise, if he hadn’t escaped. Putin built more beautiful mnogohodovki, and Yanek .... And everything went not according to plan.