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War: colonial or domestic?

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The warnings that Ukraine is about to launch an attack on Donetsk and Lugansk have recently become something of a parable about a boy who shouted about wolves until he was no longer trusted. True, the final of this stories equally indicative: the wolf appeared just when it was not expected. In our case, the role of the wolf is played by units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the National Guard, who once every few months pretend to prepare for a decisive offensive, and then simply play back. This happened so often that now, when the movement of Ukrainian technology began in the frontal zone, the Russian public, carried away by reports from Syria, almost ignores this fact. Nevertheless, judging by the information “from the other side”, now everything is an order of magnitude more serious than before.




According to bloggers and local residents, the frontline zone is saturated with Ukrainian tanks, armored personnel carriers and artillery. Ukrainian troops are massively deployed in free living space, and they are hardly accommodated there for a comfortable winter. It is possible that all this activity is directly related to both Middle East events and the election campaign in the USA.

In the media of the United States after the start of the Russian bombing, criticism of the current administration has become tougher. In general, cursing the president in the United States has long been a good tone, but now it’s not even Obama’s reputation that’s already played the card, but the image of the next candidate from the Democratic Party is at stake. Experiencing difficulties in Syria after direct Russian intervention on the side of Assad, many politicians overseas could easily have thought of pushing Poroshenko to take action, especially since the Ukrainian army had long since recovered from defeat in the Battle of Debaltseve. For the entire period of calm, new and restored old equipment is being delivered to the troops, mobilization activities continue. Now the Ukrainian group is concentrated in the Donbas, according to various sources, from 90 to 250 thousand people. According to Igor Strelkov, who continues to actively monitor the situation in the DPR and LPR, in some areas there is a fivefold superiority of the army of Kiev over the people's republics, and now this whole military machine has come into motion. And it is against this background that Donetsk, Lugansk and Moscow continue tireless dances around the Minsk agreements, completely forgetting what all the treaties with the Nazis are worth. A regime whose officials declare plans to assault not only the Crimea, but also Kursk, Rostov and Belgorod, in principle, will not comply with any treaties.

Ukraine is not interested in economics for Americans. Neither shale gas, nor chernozem, nor coal, much less industry, they do not need. Square is important for all US administrations only in one capacity - as a ram against the Russian Federation. And all its resources were supposed to be only an aid for Kiev in this important matter, providing it with currency for the purchase of weapons. The Anglo-Saxons traditionally prefer to turn things around not only by someone else’s hands, but also, preferably, at someone else’s expense. In other words, modern Ukraine is a mine laid by the Americans near the Russian Federation, and it will work exactly that moment when they want it.

The internal political atmosphere in Ukraine also has to military adventures, because the alternative may be a new Maidan. American curators do not care who will carry out their orders while in the chair of the president - Tymoshenko, Avakov or someone else. Poroshenko will strive with all his might to prove his loyalty and irreplaceability, especially in the conditions when his support among the masses tends to zero. In addition, we must remember that winter is ahead, and Ukrainian citizens have not yet received a receipt for heating, calculated at the new tariffs. Official television is increasingly trying to turn the arrows on Yatsenyuk, but it’s not to reassure people with just the resignation of the Prime Minister. So the order from Washington to start the offensive is almost as beneficial for the current regime as for the Americans. And information about the transfer of a small, but far from worse, part of the Russian Air Force to Syria will only give him courage.

And now about another bunch of Syrian events with what is happening in the Donbass. A large-scale anti-Russian provocation is increasingly possible, in order to prevent the return of the Russian military at a critical moment for the country. The scenario in which Turkey closes the Straits for Russian ships with military cargoes is not excluded, and Iraq, at the request of the Americans (the latter is unlikely, but theoretically possible), ceases to let Russian aircraft pass through its airspace. At the same time, quite a large and efficient Russian group turns out to be blocked in Syria. The soil for closing the Straits, apparently, is already being prepared. The noise around the violation by Russian aircraft of Turkish airspace was not raised by chance. Any big business starts with small matters and what else today seems impossible, in six months it runs the risk of becoming a reality. It should not be forgotten that the US Air Force Base Incirlik is located near the Russian facilities from Syria, in Turkey, which can also play its role.

The strategic goal of the Syrian and Ukrainian conflict is the same: to exhaust Moscow, to deprive it of its resources, to bring the Russian economy first to collapse. Moreover, the general offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for this is not at all necessary. It is enough that they create a constant voltage at the border. I do not want to think about what can happen in the event of a paralysis of the control system in Moscow, if the entire current Ukrainian group remains in place. The words of Turchinov about the readiness to accept the Kuban to Ukraine will be mentioned here very appropriately.

The underestimation of Ukraine, its ambitions and military capabilities is comparable in Russian society with the underestimation of Japan before the Russian-Japanese war. Even demographically, the ratio of opponents then and now almost coincides. However, if the Russo-Japanese was for us a classic colonial conflict that has nothing to do with the war for the survival of the state, then a possible war with Ukraine will be a battle for internal Russian territories. Observers say that the army of our neighbors, although it lost a huge amount of equipment, but made a qualitative leap forward in the training of personnel, and the technical part is constantly updated.

One way or another, it is Donetsk and Lugansk, and not Syria at all, for Russia are the first lines of defense. Letting them in will mean that the threat is directly on the borders of the Russian Federation, not to mention the moral consequences.
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  1. Baloo
    Baloo 7 October 2015 06: 10 New
    +2
    Reamlistic, seems to be true.
    1. Georgy USSR
      Georgy USSR 7 October 2015 07: 08 New
      20
      A rather controversial article, I find it difficult to choose which grade to put
      1. teacher
        teacher 7 October 2015 15: 02 New
        +2
        made a qualitative leap forward in training personnel, and the technical part is constantly replenished.

        here it is very controversial, especially if we take into account the motivation of the Armed Forces and their current moral and psychological state
      2. OlegLex
        OlegLex 7 October 2015 19: 15 New
        +4
        I don’t know, but I put a plus only because after reading it again I began to analyze and pump out the situation from the available information. The article has a lot of outright populism and common sense. now there is an 90000 grouping (information from official sources) at the borders with unrecognized republics, they have been feeding this breach of mouths with a minus budget for three months and still have not dismissed, that is, the fact of the resumption of hostilities is quite likely.
        The fact that the idea that it would not hurt to put Russia in place by fanning a border conflict may come into bad American minds (or is already sitting), probably no member of the forum has any doubts. That's just why it suddenly the author decided that in addition to the VKS group that was seconded to Syria, there are no others, and discussions on the topic of how to close the sky, and everyone flew, why did you get this. The East is a delicate matter, so they did not take such reckless and evil steps.
        And Yes, the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is quite real despite all the Minsk dances, only Russia will definitely not stand aside, it will be like 2014 in the summer, and Strelkov certainly knows about this.
      3. USSR 1971
        USSR 1971 7 October 2015 20: 00 New
        +1
        If there was a plus or minus score, then I would put it. Plus because you can not underestimate the enemy. For the rest, minus. One can see the idea that Russia was vainly climbing into Syria, etc. Not in vain, it is no longer possible in another way; everything was explained at the UN ensemble.
    2. Penetrator
      Penetrator 7 October 2015 07: 14 New
      27
      Quote: Balu
      Reamlistic, seems to be true

      What truth? To this one?
      According to Igor Strelkov, who continues to actively monitor the situation in the DPR and LPR, in some areas there is a five-fold superiority of the Kiev army over the people's republics and now this whole military machine has set in motion.

      So Strelkov - used uh .. material and, I do not think that it is a reliable and objective source of information. How many times has this character vanged the defeat of LDNR over the past year, and?
      There is no desire to disassemble the entire article - the usual Kabardin # of Putin military forces has now been supplemented with horror stories, such as "the most combat-ready units of the RF Armed Forces in Syria. Do you seriously believe in this nonsense?
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 7 October 2015 07: 53 New
        11
        Life will show. Someone will describe a pencil as a piece of wood, someone as a cylinder, someone as a technical writing device made of wood, etc., etc. hi
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 7 October 2015 09: 15 New
          -12
          Like a cylinder, a pencil can be described only by a small little clever person or an adult dibil .. hi !
      2. DEMENTIY
        DEMENTIY 7 October 2015 09: 07 New
        10
        Quote: Penetrator
        So Shooters - used uh ...


        It simply amazes how easily and naturally the couch generals pour buckets of slop on the head of a combat officer!
        1. Penetrator
          Penetrator 7 October 2015 09: 17 New
          12
          Quote: DEMENTIY
          It simply amazes how easily and naturally the couch generals pour buckets of slop on the head of a combat officer!

          Yes, be amazed for God's sake! However, Strelkov behaves inappropriately for a combat officer. Or is it a revelation for you that public discussion and condemnation of the actions of the command is unacceptable? And this is exactly what Strelkov, according to him, considers the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, whom, recently, he directly accuses of treason. So Girkin helped himself up when he got into politics. It's not for him - certain stakeholders will use it and throw it out. This is to say about "used material".
          Py.Sy. About officer honor, I do not need to rub here. I dare to think that I have a better idea of ​​this concept, dear.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 7 October 2015 11: 28 New
            +5
            Shooters are strange enough if he is treated as a patriot and officer, but if we assume that he works for a pseudo-patriotic group controlled by the states and trying to raise the Maidan in Russia, then all the puzzle pieces fall into place and the puzzle develops. And it becomes clear the behavior of Girkin and his mud, pouring on those who saved the situation in the Donbass and defeated the Ukrainian troops. So for a moment - he has nothing to do with any serious victory over VSU. Even when he was in the Donbass. The first southern cauldron is the merit of the east, Lugansk militias and Cossacks. Zakharchenko defeated the 25th Airborne Forces brigade near Shakhtar with his stronghold. Saur-Tomb and Yasinuvatoy defended the East. Gorlovka - Boatswain and Bezler. Where is Girkin’s victory then?
          2. DEMENTIY
            DEMENTIY 7 October 2015 13: 00 New
            0
            Quote: Penetrator
            Py.Sy. About officer honor, I do not need to rub here.


            Christ is with you dearest! And in my thoughts there was no "rub". In general, the phrase was rhetorical, i.e. not addressed to anyone and does not require an answer.
            PS I understand perfectly well that to discuss honor with a certain contingent is the same as virginity with a prostitute.
            1. Penetrator
              Penetrator 7 October 2015 13: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: DEMENTIY
              I understand perfectly well that to discuss honor with a certain contingent is the same as virginity with a prostitute.

              Absolutely agree. For example, with you, my dear, it is absolutely not worth discussing issues of honor (as well as virginity) - you have only a purely theoretical idea of ​​these principles.
              1. DEMENTIY
                DEMENTIY 7 October 2015 14: 45 New
                +3
                Quote: Penetrator
                you have only purely about these principles theoretical representation.


                I cannot but agree with this statement, because I have no practice of savory spitting at people "behind the eyes".
                Unlike you - a true practitioner and professional!
                1. Penetrator
                  Penetrator 7 October 2015 15: 24 New
                  -1
                  Quote: DEMENTIY
                  I cannot but agree with this statement, because I have no practice of savory spitting at people "behind the eyes".
                  Unlike you - a true practitioner and professional!

                  No comment - I do not intend to get involved in polemics with you. As the proverb says: "You shouldn't argue with an idiot - for first he will bring you down to his level, and then he will crush you with experience." And this .. Learn some Russian - the expression "behind the eyes" is clearly not from him. Or is it not your native language? hi
                  1. DEMENTIY
                    DEMENTIY 7 October 2015 16: 23 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Penetrator
                    Learn Russian - the expression "behind the eyes" is clearly not from him.


                    It's funny to hear accusations of ignorance of the Russian language from those who use the abbreviation "Py.Sy." and jargon "rub in".
                    And accusations of idiocy from a person who writes "No comment" and comments through a dash ...
                    In general, the saying is good - it suits you.
        2. Alexl
          Alexl 7 October 2015 09: 40 New
          +3
          The shooters are not a military officer, but an FSB agent. A real military officer (since the days of Afgan) is now his former friend Petrovsky ("Khmury"), who has recently told a lot of unpleasant things about the essence of Strelkov and his Slavic-Donetsk adventures.
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            1. Penetrator
              Penetrator 7 October 2015 09: 57 New
              +3
              Quote: marlin1203
              You do not seem to imagine the structure of the FSB at all, and you have not heard about the status of a military serviceman.

              And you have little idea of ​​the difference between a military officer and an FSB opera. Although both are military personnel, their professional skills and functional responsibilities are absolutely incomparable. The same Strelkov repeatedly admitted that he does not have the appropriate military training for the command of any significant military unit.
              1. teacher
                teacher 7 October 2015 14: 53 New
                -3
                interesting category military officer. how to distinguish combat from non-combat?
                1. Penetrator
                  Penetrator 7 October 2015 15: 46 New
                  -1
                  Quote: hoca
                  interesting category military officer. how to distinguish combat from non-combat?

                  Well, let's fix it a little - we'll replace it with the commander. So good? Again, I repeat: do not confuse a military professional with a counterintelligence professional. Both the one and the other do their serious work, but each with its own specifics. For this reason, one cannot be replaced by another. Or you can, but crap will work. And then they blinded a major military leader and a "real Russian patriot" from Strelkov. And all the rest, then, is a toy trifle.
                  1. teacher
                    teacher 7 October 2015 17: 52 New
                    0
                    not good. there are no such categories of "combat" or "non-combat", especially the commander. The squad leader is also a commander.
                    There are officers with combat experience, yes, which can also be successful or not successful, well, or other gradation. An officer, being in a combat zone, may not complete assigned tasks, lose people, etc. and this does not make him a "combat" officer. IMHO this is a purely literary definition. In general, "an owl on the globe."
                    1. Penetrator
                      Penetrator 7 October 2015 18: 30 New
                      -3
                      Quote: hoca
                      In general, "an owl on the globe."

                      Useful - test - accepted. yes In my opinion, the recognition of his subordinates, and of his superiors, of course, makes an officer a "combat" one. However, with your maxim about "An officer being in a combat zone may fail to fulfill the assigned tasks, lose people, etc. and this does not make him a" combat "officer, I disagree. It all depends on the circumstances, luck, and many other factors. An officer is, first of all, responsibility (at least that's how I was taught). And responsibility not only for actions, but also for words. Unfortunately, the latter is not observed in the case of Strelkov.
                      1. teacher
                        teacher 7 October 2015 18: 34 New
                        +1
                        so the society of sectarians "his excellency" is a separate song
                      2. Penetrator
                        Penetrator 7 October 2015 19: 19 New
                        -2
                        Quote: hoca
                        so the society of sectarians "his excellency" is a separate song

                        Yeah .. Have you noticed how a little higher, trying to explain the obvious things about their idol? No: "Don't you dare to denigrate the bright name of Strelkov - a true Russian patriot and a real officer!" It seems that they have never seen a single normal officer in their lives ... sad
                      3. teacher
                        teacher 7 October 2015 19: 27 New
                        -2
                        The most interesting thing is now from all the cracks so-called. patriots, and on the wave of the "white movement". The attempts to rehabilitate the ROVS through its pseudo-activities in Donbass have looked very interesting last year. The organization during the Second World War, which fought together with the Germans, now seems to be almost an example of patriotism. Moreover, in all their official documents posted on the network, a change of order is declared.
                      4. Penetrator
                        Penetrator 7 October 2015 20: 40 New
                        -1
                        Quote: hoca
                        The most interesting thing is now from all the cracks so-called. patriots, and on the wave of the "white movement".

                        Yeah, the impression is that the authorities are digging a hole for themselves, stubbornly repeating about de-Stalinization and, at the same time, about "civil reconciliation". Where is the logic? What kind of reconciliation of some at the expense of others? Some kind of schizophrenia ...
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  2. Slax
    Slax 7 October 2015 13: 20 New
    -3
    Quote: DEMENTIY
    It simply amazes how easily and naturally the couch generals pour buckets of slop on the head of a combat officer!


    you write absolutely correctly, only these are not generals, but ordinary sofa nerds who saw military equipment only in computer games, but how many show-offs they breed, because each of them thinks he is a brilliant strategist and analyst ready to give advice to almost Putin himself
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 7 October 2015 13: 30 New
      0
      Quote: slax
      ... ordinary sofa nerds that military equipment was seen only in computer games, but how many show-offs they breed, because each of them thinks he is a brilliant strategist and analyst ...

      I read your previous comments - what a wacky you are! bully By the way, have you decided on a habitat? Now broadcasting from Spain, then from Latvia, now it has entered France ...
      1. Slax
        Slax 7 October 2015 15: 28 New
        -2
        Quote: Penetrator
        I read your previous comments - what a wacky you are! bully By the way, have you decided on a habitat? Now broadcasting from Spain, then from Latvia, now it has entered France ...


        Yes, you’ll be dumb shkolota surprised, but it’s satellite Internet.
        and where were you when Strelkov fought in Slavyansk against ukrov? were you there to talk about him and his deeds?! .... no, you sat at Surkovsky’s house and clowned his sweaty hands and now do the same, throwing your petty nastiness about Strelkov, a true patriot of Russia!
  • Boatsman_Palych
    Boatsman_Palych 7 October 2015 13: 47 New
    +6
    PMSM, so ours can't wait for the tire fans to rush for a change. And the entire signboard of the "Minsk agreements" will collapse due to THEIR fault - how will they look in front of Europa? And Vovik already has permission from the Council of the Fed ... And our videoconferencing is not all in Syria, and the rest of the army does not crawl out of the ranges for a year - infa, not only from a zombie box. Kuev and Lviv will not take it - they are not ripe there yet, and the LPNR will probably be released to the border.
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  • tantalum
    tantalum 8 October 2015 03: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Penetrator
    So Strelkov - used uh .. material and, I do not think that it is a reliable and objective source of information.

    Strelkov fought, risked his life, and what were you doing at that time? So I don’t know the degree of utilization, but you are this very material if you have enough arrogance to insult your eyes.
    P.S. I would also like to know, but do you also attribute the used ones to Mozgovoy, Poor and thousands more dead?
    1. teacher
      teacher 8 October 2015 09: 24 New
      -1
      Oh, they started singing about the heroes of New Russia again. First, Mozgovoy left Lysychansk together with Dremov, and then he sat in Alchevsk, giving interviews on YouTube about all kinds of internationals, to questions from the corps command, or maybe we’ll send them all together to fight. Batman is a famous ghoul, with his hands up to his elbow in blood. All Lugansk knows about kidnapping and killing, squeezed cars, houses, etc. And somehow no military feats were found, alas.
  • yushch
    yushch 7 October 2015 07: 25 New
    10
    I can be mistaken, but the closure of the straits by Turkey for the state of the Black Sea basin is possible if it declares war or vice versa.
    1. venaya
      venaya 7 October 2015 07: 36 New
      +6
      Quote: yushch
      ... the closure of the straits by Turkey for the state of the Black Sea basin is possible if it declares war ...

      The Turks in their own country have a great deal of national problems, of which there are only Kurds. And if we recall that on the border in Armenia there are not weak troops, but Lake Van is a sacred place for Armenians, there was their original capital. Problems for the Turks can scrape together immeasurably.
  • Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 7 October 2015 08: 12 New
    +4
    "" "A scenario is not excluded, in which Turkey will close the Straits for Russian ships with military cargo" ""
    this is possible only in the event of a declaration of war
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 7 October 2015 09: 48 New
    +2
    It seems, but closer to winter, everything is less real.
  • BecmepH
    BecmepH 7 October 2015 10: 06 New
    +4
    seems to be true.
    The truth is that our planes are taking over "hard-earned" from ISIS. And without a miss. And the bearded heroes scatter like rats. This is a demonstration of our capabilities.
    a possible war with Ukraine will be a battle for internal Russian territories
    Do they need it? They themselves do not know what they are fighting for ... Found heroes))) It's good to intimidate us.
  • GradusHuK
    GradusHuK 7 October 2015 17: 18 New
    0
    The flour will be crushed!
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 7 October 2015 06: 12 New
    +6
    "Neither shale gas, nor black soil, nor coal, and even more so, they do not need industry." - I do not agree.
    And in Syria, the birthday party is really very risky.
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 7 October 2015 07: 45 New
      +7
      Quote: samarin1969
      And in Syria, the birthday party is really very risky.

      People, no more stupid than us, give advice to the birthday man. And he himself is quite a sane person and soberly assesses all sorts of risks. So no panic! We will break through.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 October 2015 06: 19 New
    +7
    In other words, modern Ukraine is a mine laid by the Americans near the Russian Federation, and it will work exactly the moment when they want it.


    Disarm this "mine". And the sooner the better.
  • Dezinto
    Dezinto 7 October 2015 06: 21 New
    +9
    The article is serious. And really it is impossible to underestimate a directional mine called "Ukraine".
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 7 October 2015 07: 16 New
      13
      Quote: DEZINTO
      The article is serious.

      Igor in his repertoire. You should not underestimate anyone. There is no need to overestimate. Sense to start hostilities in the winter? It’s not even in winter, autumn is in the yard, and the ruins of the roads are not very different from the Russian roads, and even as I personally observed tanks drowning in mud at the time, there would be a desire - you can put anything you like into the mud on the tower.
      Here I do not believe in the imminent offensive of dill, I just do not believe, there is no reason.
    2. Azitral
      Azitral 7 October 2015 12: 51 New
      +5
      When hysteria is escalated, as in this article, the question arises involuntarily: why?
      Why write this all? That there was no hat-tapping mood? And who? We have? So we do not command. At the General Staff and the Supreme? So he does not read such articles. Let them attack in the end. Something tells me (although I believe that it is necessary to take any war with ANY opponent very seriously) that they do not gain much success, at least for a long time. Something has subtly changed in the setting itself. I think even with a clear attack, the Russian Federation will cease to hide its support, will support it with all its might, and the world will swallow it.
  • mr.vasilievich
    mr.vasilievich 7 October 2015 06: 23 New
    +6
    I don’t know which and who is more important, Donbass or Syria, it is important that a war has been launched against Russia.
    1. Alexl
      Alexl 7 October 2015 09: 43 New
      +5
      The war against Russia did not end.
    2. zao74
      zao74 7 October 2015 10: 05 New
      +5
      I don’t know which and who is more important, Donbass or Syria, it is important that a war has been launched against Russia.
      She never stopped ...
  • venaya
    venaya 7 October 2015 06: 24 New
    +7
    ... the frontline zone is saturated with Ukrainian tanks, armored personnel carriers and artillery. Ukrainian troops are massively deployed on free living space ...

    Messages from there do not differ in variety. It resembles the desire to accustom them to the idea that it is normal, naturally, in order to carry out a lightning strike at the most suitable moment, there is no other option for their success. It is not surprising that the Boeing investigation was timed after the UN General Assembly. I do not at all consider this an accident, there is a steady preparation for some kind of provocation. Let's wait, perhaps the very publication of the "investigation" will be one of the elements of the provocation.
  • valokordin
    valokordin 7 October 2015 06: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: mr.vasilievich
    I don’t know which and who is more important, Donbass or Syria, it is important that a war has been launched against Russia.

    The truth is yours. As we do not delay the war in Ukraine, it is inevitable. It is necessary to strengthen our illegal activities in fraternal Ukraine. We need to change the mood there in our favor. I doubt very much that this is necessary for our bourgeoisie, who are social brothers in the class of oligarchs in Ukraine, otherwise they would fork out these national traitors.
  • B- 3ACADE
    B- 3ACADE 7 October 2015 06: 28 New
    +8
    I disagree with the article. It looks like a month ago. The situation changes faster than generalizing materials of this kind are written.
    At the moment, news from the field from VSU soldiers, residents and LDNR is very important
    In general, "nose in borscht" is now October white flies are already falling in Murmansk.
  • Dezinto
    Dezinto 7 October 2015 06: 36 New
    +6
    In general, "nose in borscht" is now October white flies are already falling in Murmansk.


    Sounds like a password to activate a sleeping agent winked
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 7 October 2015 07: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: DEZINTO
      In general, "nose in borscht" is now October white flies are already falling in Murmansk.


      Sounds like a password to activate a sleeping agent winked

      Well, your mother, I almost missed the signal! The message is accepted, I’m proceeding with active actions according to the previously approved plan! wassat
  • strelets
    strelets 7 October 2015 06: 45 New
    +4
    In addition to Ukraine, there are other factors. Transnistria, Caucasus, Asia. Putin plays on several boards.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 7 October 2015 06: 49 New
    -4
    Quote: strelets
    In addition to Ukraine, there are other factors. Transnistria, Caucasus, Asia. Putin plays on several boards.


    Kitty to the great combinator-chess player: "But they will beat you?"
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 7 October 2015 06: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: samarin1969
      "But won't they beat you?"

      Take care of pince-nez! Will begin now wassat This is for you yes
    2. alecsis69
      alecsis69 8 October 2015 11: 07 New
      0
      They beat those who cheat, and Putin from the UN rostrum speaks plainly.
    3. alecsis69
      alecsis69 8 October 2015 11: 07 New
      0
      They beat those who cheat, and Putin from the UN rostrum speaks plainly.
  • Flinky
    Flinky 7 October 2015 06: 55 New
    +1
    Yes, of course, the opinion of Strelkov, sitting somewhere under the baseboard, is very important for us. And of course, Kabardin needs to be promoted to adviser to the President. Ugh.
  • Rigla
    Rigla 7 October 2015 06: 57 New
    +2
    We look forward to new boilers and defeats Bandera!
  • san4i
    san4i 7 October 2015 07: 00 New
    +8
    The underestimation of Ukraine, its ambitions and military capabilities, is comparable in Russian society with the underestimation of Japan before the Russo-Japanese war. Even demographically, the ratio of opponents then and now practically coincides. However, if the Russo-Japanese was for us a classic colonial conflict, which has nothing to do with the war for the survival of the state, then a possible war with Ukraine will be a battle for the internal Russian territories. Observers note that the army of our neighbors, although it has lost a huge amount of equipment, has made a qualitative leap forward in training personnel, and the technical part is constantly replenished.

    At this stage, they cannot cope with the DPR and LPR, where can they go to the Russian territories ?! Unless of course suicides ... Not a good comparison to say the least.
  • lao_tsy
    lao_tsy 7 October 2015 07: 02 New
    +3
    The article left the question: "Is everything going to a world war?"
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 7 October 2015 07: 56 New
      +4
      Exactly. And you did not guess?
  • Riv
    Riv 7 October 2015 07: 20 New
    +4
    Come on, scare us! They will go on the offensive, they will capture the Kuban, they will take away the Crimea ... What else? Che morning fantasy is rather weak.
  • satris
    satris 7 October 2015 07: 23 New
    +7
    I don’t want to think about what could happen in case of paralysis of the control system in Moscow
    That's right: don't think about it. Because in case of control paralysis, the "Perimeter" system can be triggered.
    Turchinov’s words about the readiness to accept the Kuban as part of Ukraine will be mentioned here very even to the point.
    That's it: the Kuban Cossacks are sleeping and seeing: how would they get into Ukraine? A nagayki Turchinov do not want to try?
  • SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 7 October 2015 07: 35 New
    +6
    Kuban capture? Well, this is too much, I’ll go and test my father-in-law laughing
  • Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 7 October 2015 07: 47 New
    +1
    .... but how can Russia help our members of the forum? Any suggestions?..
  • Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 7 October 2015 07: 49 New
    +1
    .... but how can Russia help our members of the forum? Any suggestions?..
    I can rivet abrams in Photoshop in the United States in the border area with Canada!)))))
  • Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 7 October 2015 07: 50 New
    +1
    .... but how can Russia help our members of the forum? Any suggestions?..
    In Photoshop, I can rivet abrams in the United States in the border area with Canada! Hai are afraid of each other !!!)))))))))))
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 October 2015 08: 20 New
    +4
    Their surrender will mean the threat goes directly to the borders of the Russian Federation, not to mention the moral consequences

    Did someone talk about surrender? Moreover, Russia continues its policy in this direction. Probably not in vain the leadership of the DPR, the LPR decided to postpone the election date. What is being decided at the top of international politics does not always become known to the average citizen.
  • antikilller55
    antikilller55 7 October 2015 08: 37 New
    +6
    The General Staff of the Russian Federation is no more stupid than a steam locomotive, do you really think that all the options have not been calculated, and in Syria, far from all the aces of our VKS are bending the IG now.
  • mamont5
    mamont5 7 October 2015 08: 38 New
    +6
    “One way or another, it is Donetsk and Lugansk, and not Syria at all, that are Russia's first lines of defense. Their surrender will mean that the threat will go directly to the borders of the Russian Federation, not to mention the moral consequences.”
    I disagree, Syria is in danger now. And its surrender (our ally and the Russian base in Tartus) is an unequivocal failure. And the LDNR is now strong enough (the army) and even a surprise attack by the ukropitheks will not achieve its goal. And Russia's victory in Syria will show the Svidomites "who is who," and winter is coming, but there is no money (from the word "absolutely") and the patrons are turning up their noses more and more. So the article is from the category "everything is lost", "everyone was leaked." Definitely "-".
  • parusnik
    parusnik 7 October 2015 08: 45 New
    +3
    Their surrender would mean an exit of the threat directly to the borders of the Russian Federation, not to mention the moral consequences.... And who is going to take them ..?Donetsk, Lugansk and Moscow continue the tireless dances around the Minsk agreements, completely forgetting what all the agreements with the Nazis are worth.... Well, yes, you need to declare war in Ukraine and forward to the West .. before Lisbon and all of Europe will meet us with Russian flags, and Obama will recover, and then shoot himself in the White House ..
  • akudr48
    akudr48 7 October 2015 08: 50 New
    +1
    it is Donetsk and Lugansk, and not Syria at all, that are the first frontiers of defense for Russia

    Very sober and objective publication.

    With one foot left on the slippery black soil of Donbass, in the civil war, with the other we entered a religious war on the unstable sands of Syria.
    They put the priorities of the Russians in the Donbass in line, for others that are more important for Russia.
    With the turbulent Caucasus and swelling chaos of Central Asia.
    In conditions of economic recession and falling living standards of the people.
    And the presence of a hostile thieves' oligarchy and the 5th column with their vital interests in the West.

    It turns out that all of Clausewitz does not care for us what they interpreted there about the connection of the war with politics and the main point of military operations. Solovyov will explain everything to us on TV on Sunday evening, why and why we moved to Syria, he will be abruptly these past military experts.

    Maybe we’ll run through this mined geopolitical field, and don’t get into the traps.

    Or maybe not, get involved with all the limbs.

    Simple people will have to chant this cup and answer anyway.
  • nekot
    nekot 7 October 2015 09: 18 New
    +3
    Yes, cool))) The most combat-ready group of forces in Syria and they won’t let it out from there, in fact, declaring war! Paralysis of power in Moscow will lead to the capture of the Kuban by Ukraine! A comparison of Ukraine with Japan in 1905 is just a masterpiece))) Apparently, according to the author, the Ukrainian fleet will rout the Russian Black Sea Fleet, and the grouping of troops in the Kuban of Russia will not be possible to build up due to the autumn crossroads)))
    1. Azitral
      Azitral 7 October 2015 13: 15 New
      +1
      Something also confused me when comparing with Japan. And then he formulated: in Japan - there were samurai, and in Ukraine - vice versa. Something exactly the opposite of samurai.
  • Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 7 October 2015 09: 19 New
    +1
    .... but how can Russia help our members of the forum? Any suggestions?..
    In Photoshop, I can rivet abrams in the United States in the border area with Canada! Hai are afraid of each other !!!)))))))))))
  • Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 7 October 2015 09: 23 New
    +1
    .... but how can Russia help our members of the forum? Any suggestions?..
    In Photoshop, I can rivet abrams in the United States in the border area with Canada! Hai are afraid of each other !!!)))))))))))
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 7 October 2015 09: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: George of the USSR
    A rather controversial article, I find it difficult to choose which grade to put

    Quote: Babai Balkan
    .... but how can Russia help our members of the forum? Any suggestions?..
    In Photoshop, I can rivet abrams in the United States in the border area with Canada! Hai are afraid of each other !!!)))))))))))

    Well, probably carefully look around, listen and stop any stupid screams or hysteria. Yesterday I heard something already. U.AZH.UH.AA YOU!
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 7 October 2015 09: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: AleksL
    The shooters are not a military officer, but an FSB agent. A real military officer (since the days of Afgan) is now his former friend Petrovsky ("Khmury"), who has recently told a lot of unpleasant things about the essence of Strelkov and his Slavic-Donetsk adventures.
    You do not seem to imagine the structure of the FSB at all, and you have not heard about the status of a military man. FSB officers are military personnel. Check out legislation and references.
    1. Egevich
      Egevich 7 October 2015 18: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: marlin1203
      Quote: AleksL
      The shooters are not a military officer, but an FSB agent. A real military officer (since the days of Afgan) is now his former friend Petrovsky ("Khmury"), who has recently told a lot of unpleasant things about the essence of Strelkov and his Slavic-Donetsk adventures.
      You do not seem to imagine the structure of the FSB at all, and you have not heard about the status of a military man. FSB officers are military personnel. Check out legislation and references.


      so and it would not hurt you to stop confusing concepts ... but tell me, is the officer of the Ministry of Internal Affairs a military man?
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 7 October 2015 10: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: Penetrator
    So no panic! We will break through.


    I agree with that. But the presence of a fifth column in power, wishing to surrender all positions and serve the enemy, greatly complicate life. And as long as they are at the helm there can be no talk of any independent policy.
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 7 October 2015 10: 39 New
    +2
    Well, since we are talking about the main and the priority, then it would be nice to remember that in the leadership of our country, the overwhelming majority are traitors to the Motherland, collaborators, compradors, and simply greedy and deceitful renegades. Until we get rid of them, there will be no real luck either in Syria or on the outskirts! This must be clearly understood!
    I’m not even talking about shooting these scoundrels or sending them to forced labor, although 85% of the Russian population would have exploded from this idea with stormy prolonged applause !!! But to remove these scoundrels from work in important state structures is vital! And we are constantly distracted by Syria with the outskirts and other tricks of unprincipled non-humans - the Anglo-Iudo-Saxons.

    What degenerate rams allowed such a nonsense in the State Duma as beeps and other enemies of the Russian people? It is necessary to immediately withdraw the mandates of all edrosovsk deputies who ignore decisions important to the country! That's what you need to blow at all angles !!!! Because without gaining full economic sovereignty and the primacy of Russian laws over international ones, NO HORSE WILL GO OUT ANYTHING !!! Nowhere! Neither in Syria, nor on the outskirts!
  • IAlex
    IAlex 7 October 2015 10: 40 New
    +1
    Why was everyone so upset, the modern Russian government was happy with everything, and the war in Syria for 4 years, and the Nazis in Ukraine for more than six months ... Only when in the last six months, kleptocrats in the Russian Federation realized that they would be robbed and hanged, they started to fuss incl. everything is in order, the USA is systematically creating an invasion army, Jews are bombing everyone in a row, but we will respect the sovereignty of the Nazis, because we like a real banana republic love everything imported: bubble gum, Coca-Cola, hamburgers, freedom of speech and export democracy ...
  • Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 7 October 2015 11: 30 New
    +2
    Reasonable! IMHO!
    The exchange of Syria in the Donbass is quite possible.
    We write off the defeat at the numerical superiority of the Natsiks and wipe ourselves.
    But our Crimea. It was worth it.
    And Syria was not abandoned, like Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya.
    Then in Syria it will be possible to roll back under the pressure of public opinion.
    The air force writes about the Russian intervention in Syria. To themselves they warm like fraternal help! )))
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 7 October 2015 11: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Dan Slav
      Reasonable! IMHO!

      About people like you and others like you _
      'Mentally healthy, no deviation, just walks'.

  • Bamse
    Bamse 7 October 2015 12: 03 New
    +1
    "- Tell me, Igor (Kabardin), is it not for nothing that the Kuban, swept away by the Tornado (battalion), was given over to the Velikoukram?"
    Well, if such a thing - Putin leaked everyone again - I’m going to the market to meet the invaders with bacon, salt. Will Rostov Oblast be captured too? Or am I panicking?
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 7 October 2015 12: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: bamse
      Or am I panicking?

      You do not panic _
  • Bamse
    Bamse 7 October 2015 12: 20 New
    +1
    You do not panic _ [/ quote]

    This is nothing. At Kievforum there is a picture in which Ukrainians dug the Russian Sea in place of Russia. Sorry, I did not copy it.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 7 October 2015 12: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: bamse
      there is a picture in which Ukrainians dug the Russian Sea in place of Russia.

      Not the first time _
  • alicante11
    alicante11 7 October 2015 13: 53 New
    +1
    At the same time, a fairly large and efficient Russian group is blocked in Syria.


    Is 1500 security man and air regiment a large group? IMHO, that on the border with Banderstan costs 10 more times and in the rear twice as much.

    In general, of course, the threat of war in Donbas is increasing again. No wonder VVP in silence flew away from Paris. Probably, there were no censorship words, but Lavrov had already said obscene words. Also, the elections in Belarus this weekend, so they can fall on the "last dictator of Europe" and "pro-Russian separatists" at once. It was not for nothing that Old Man refused to use the air base. We won't be late, and there is no point in putting ourselves under attack, I think that the Belarusians and the militias will not only withstand the blow, but will also kick in the Young European and Bandera ... ears.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 7 October 2015 13: 54 New
    +1
    At the same time, a fairly large and efficient Russian group is blocked in Syria.


    Is 1500 security man and air regiment a large group? IMHO, that on the border with Banderstan costs 10 more times and in the rear twice as much.

    In general, of course, the threat of war in Donbas is increasing again. No wonder VVP in silence flew away from Paris. Probably, there were no censorship words, but Lavrov had already said obscene words. Also, the elections in Belarus this weekend, so they can fall on the "last dictator of Europe" and "pro-Russian separatists" at once. It was not for nothing that Old Man refused to use the air base. We won't be late, and there is no point in putting ourselves under attack, I think that the Belarusians and the militias will not only withstand the blow, but will also kick in the Young European and Bandera ... ears.
  • serverny
    serverny 7 October 2015 15: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: alicante11
    No wonder the Old Man refused airbase.

    Well, enough is enough to relay the nonsense taken out of context. In fact, it was said "we don't need an airbase now," but how the elections will be held and if another loan from the Russian Federation for a couple of billions is required and / or a couple of contracts with the defense industry will be signed - it will be needed.

    And we will not give offense to our "last dictator of Europe", I will even go and vote, perhaps :)
  • Anatoly_1959
    Anatoly_1959 7 October 2015 16: 25 New
    +1
    It’s good to be an analyst, not to sit in the trenches. Something I strongly doubt the fighting spirit of the ukrovermaht, because they also watch TV and try on themselves. Without aviation, you possess at least the hordes of Genghis Khan, there is nothing to do in modern warfare: this is still the 2nd world war. And here everything is clear. So, don't be scared: analytics is a sober view of things, not fantasy. And to talk about the Russo-Japanese war is just to pull everything by the ears, moreover, somehow grabbed onto a living thread. Who knows the story, he will understand.
  • Hagreebarg
    Hagreebarg 7 October 2015 16: 31 New
    0
    I can’t understand one thing. Why do people panic ahead of time and blame our president for not foresight. And they think that he constantly makes mistakes. The president’s analytical department must have figured out all the options and chose the best option. And not all plans are voiced for the people. It is impossible to voice the plans that our president wants to implement. There are many people in the government who are slowing down the plans of our president. But such people will soon leave. I am sure of this. I was sure that Crimea would return to Russia. For those who cause panic, I recommend not causing panic, but working for the good of our country. If we all panic, we will not be a united nation, we will be around our president. And we will be an amorphous body that is not capable of anything. Here, something like this .
  • gammipapa
    gammipapa 7 October 2015 20: 49 New
    0
    We have weapons of the mountain, whom to intimidate then? To the extreme one salvo from the nearest ships and no 250 thousandth grouping. Whoever caches himself with a sword will die very quickly.
  • Bayun
    Bayun 7 October 2015 21: 21 New
    +1
    Recently, close people traveled to Ukraine. We went by train, no problem. Away - as usual. And no one cares about the war of "TVs and computers".
  • Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 7 October 2015 21: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Balu
    Life will show. Someone will describe a pencil as a piece of wood, someone as a cylinder, someone as a technical writing device made of wood, etc., etc. hi

    And someone is like a piercing melee weapon. The article is very controversial and somewhat outdated. The Turks have already refused claims for violating their airspace. And as for the high level of combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, I would not be so unambiguous judging by various sources. Ukraine is now quite restless, the country is flooded with weapons from the ATO zone, weapons can even be bought at the bazaar. A new Kalash can be obtained for 700 ye. Only the most svidomye want to fight stupidly. Yes, and Waltsman has not yet figured out the internal stomp, he is unlikely to venture on a large-scale muddy in LDNR. However, as many correctly point out, it is not worth dropping the APU.
  • alecsis69
    alecsis69 8 October 2015 11: 15 New
    0
    The Minsk-2 agreements are recognized by the UN, unlike Minsk-1, which did not measure any international status. The Paris meeting, in the person of Merkel and Hollande, confirmed that what was written should be interpreted exactly as it was written, and not as much as the Kiev junta wanted. Russia is the guarantor of the implementation of agreements. I alone suspect that if Kiev goes on the offensive, Russia will receive the legal right to force Kiev to peace by any means possible?