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Media: the latest Su-30CM patrolling the Syrian sky are armed with obsolete missiles

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As previously reported, the patrol of the Syrian sky in the area of ​​the airbase, on which the Russian air group is located, is carried out by modern super-maneuverable Su-30CM fighters capable of applying the latest high-precision weapon. Nevertheless, airplanes are patrolling with outdated P-27EP air-to-air missiles, which were once fired in Ukraine, Roman Katkov writes in his article for Messenger of Mordovia.


Media: the latest Su-30CM patrolling the Syrian sky are armed with obsolete missiles


“The fact is that now the air forces of the main NATO countries, as well as the states of the Middle East and China, are receiving missiles of a new generation, with so-called active homing heads, which allow them to act according to the“ shot-and-forget ”principle,” Katkov notes.

The P-27ER, on the other hand, has a semi-active radar homing head, the author writes, “and this means that before the enemy aircraft is hit, it must be irradiated with a Su-30CM locator.”

He recalls that the variants of these missiles, after their use in local conflicts, have been repeatedly criticized by specialists for their lack of effectiveness. “Of course, it was a question of export samples, but the defects present, for the most part, are also characteristic of missiles released for“ domestic consumption ”,” Katkov notes.



Moreover, in his opinion, "thanks to the Ukrainians and the former Warsaw Pact countries, the NATO members had the opportunity to study these means of destruction well."

At the same time, the Russian "defense industry" for many years has been releasing more modern missiles that can replace outdated ones. They, according to the author, "were exported to India, Algeria, Venezuela and China."

In recent years, new modifications have been created and tested in Russia that are not inferior to and even surpass the best Western models, however, these missiles apparently have not yet reached the front-line units.

“In such a situation, our Russian fighter can be compared to a powerful warrior, who has a dull sword in his sheath, and the use of not very effective weapons in combat conditions is fraught with unpredictable consequences,” the author concludes.

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  1. Hubun
    Hubun 6 October 2015 11: 31
    19
    it’s sad, of course, although in my opinion there’s no one in our sky in Syria
    1. 740
      740 6 October 2015 11: 32
      +4
      Quote: Hubun
      it’s sad, of course, although in my opinion there’s no one in our sky in Syria

      Who knows. It is impossible to exclude misunderstandings in the sky of Syria with the Israelis. And they will probably have better missiles than ours.
      1. Bombardier
        Bombardier 6 October 2015 11: 36
        +5
        Map of Russian aviation attacks (by date):
        https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z4PF1SFiMPjQ.kFa_qMMdFl48
        1. Darkmor
          Darkmor 6 October 2015 11: 39
          129
          I will explain why they fly with old rockets.
          In a situation where a real air battle is almost impossible, only the effect of the presence of a fighter in the air is needed. What he flies with is not so important.
          Old missiles after the Syrian operation will either be decommissioned or transferred to Assad (like most ammunition and land equipment - it is expensive and inexpedient to drag them back to the Russian Federation)
          I am sure that there are new missiles on the base that the fighters will equip if there is a real need for their use. But in regular patrolling, especially in the Syrian, desert climate, dragging them under the wings for several hours a day will be expensive in terms of resources.
          1. LTL70
            LTL70 6 October 2015 11: 51
            17
            I completely agree with this definition of the use of obsolete ammunition - they must be used and in this situation there is no need for better - it will be necessary, I think, there is something to fight !!
          2. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 6 October 2015 11: 58
            15 th
            Quote: Darkmor
            I will explain why they fly with old rockets.
            In a situation where a real air battle is almost impossible, only the effect of the presence of a fighter in the air is needed. What he flies with is not so important.

            And if the enemy the fact of the presence of outdated missiles, on the contrary, will lead to aggression?
            Quote: Darkmor
            I am sure that there are new missiles on the base that the fighters will equip if there is a real need for their use. But in regular patrolling, especially in the Syrian, desert climate, dragging them under the wings for several hours a day will be expensive in terms of resources.

            That is, the Su-30СМ pilots will tell the enemy on the radio, you wait for me, I will fly missiles to replace with newer ones, otherwise the unfair battle will work with the old ones, and he will say of course I will wait for you ...
            1. SALLAK
              SALLAK 6 October 2015 12: 20
              19
              Kindergarten and not an opinion, what kind of idiots you need to be so that when you see outdated missiles on the pylons of the Russian Aerospace Forces, decide that if you can attack like that ??? And I am silent about the second argument ... just without comment ...
              1. Peterhof 73
                Peterhof 73 6 October 2015 14: 25
                +6
                Quote: SALLAK
                Kindergarten and not an opinion, what kind of idiots you need to be so that when you see outdated missiles on the pylons of the Russian Aerospace Forces, decide that if you can attack like that ??? And I am silent about the second argument ... just without comment ...


                With all due respect to Mr. Katkov, there are two questions:
                1. If so, why make such an attack during the war (raise personal ratings?)?
                2. If this is not so (how does Katkov know what exactly ours have in Syria), then what if it is not a fake or a provocation?
            2. Felix
              Felix 6 October 2015 12: 59
              +4
              Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

              And if the enemy the fact of the presence of outdated missiles, on the contrary, will lead to aggression?


              Aggression from which side? Who will have steel eggs and modern aviation in the region?
              I don’t take into account the NATO countries yet, a fight in the air with them, with a high probability, will develop into a full-scale war ..
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 6 October 2015 13: 39
                -5
                Quote: Felix
                Aggression from which side? Who will have steel eggs and modern aviation in the region?
                I don’t take into account the NATO countries yet, a fight in the air with them, with a high probability, will develop into a full-scale war ..

                I explain that in the airspace of Syria there are many other military aircraft that strike at militants. Russian Air Force planes can take for Syrian Air Force planes and try to shoot down (anything can be), and our pilots will need to defend themselves. I don’t think that because of one downed plane the 3rd world war will begin.
                1. Darkmor
                  Darkmor 6 October 2015 14: 13
                  10
                  there are many other military aircraft in Syria's airspace

                  There are either Syrian or Russian aircraft. All the rest do not have the right to be in the airspace of a sovereign state without a UN decision, and can already be shot down by us.
                  can take for Syrian Air Force planes and try to bring down

                  Who! What is the country that officially declared war on Syria, and which has military aircraft?
                  Not to mention the fact that the coordination center was created to prevent such "accidents".
                  and our pilots will need to defend themselves.

                  Rockets are not a weapon of defense.

                  What aggression, what accidents? Are you definitely related to the Air Force (VKS)?
                  NATO is sending a bomber for testing on targets somewhere on the border of Syria and Iraq. We are sending an interceptor so that the bomber does not "accidentally" fly into our controlled territory.
                  If the NATO bomber continues to fly, it can be shot down even from an air gun, having flown almost close to it.
                  If he turns around - no one will catch up with him and put a rocket under his tail.
                  We're not sending an interceptor to shoot down a plane. We only register a violation of the border, then we register a warning - and only then the headquarters of the group can give an order to attack ... or maybe not, such cases have also happened. The task of our interceptor in this case is to provide a legal basis for attacking the target. Roughly speaking, to say "We warned, here are the records"
                  If the goal is to destroy the target, the interceptor is initially equipped with appropriate weapons.
                  1. Lt. Air Force stock
                    Lt. Air Force stock 6 October 2015 17: 53
                    -3
                    Quote: Darkmor
                    NATO is sending a bomber for testing on targets somewhere on the border of Syria and Iraq. We are sending an interceptor so that the bomber does not "accidentally" fly into our controlled territory.
                    If the NATO bomber continues to fly, it can be shot down even from an air gun, having flown almost close to it.

                    Nobody expels anyone there, the Su-30SM guards the airspace of the base in Latakia and accompanies attack aircraft. Where did you read about the fact that our Su-30 SMs fly to escort US planes when they invade for bombing?
                    Quote: Darkmor
                    We're not sending an interceptor to shoot down a plane. We only register a violation of the border, then we register a warning - and only then the headquarters of the group can give an order to attack ... or maybe not, such cases have also happened. The task of our interceptor in this case is to provide a legal basis for attacking the target. Roughly speaking, to say "We warned, here are the records"

                    If the Russian airspace forces completely covered Syrian airspace from NATO aircraft, such a stench would have begun in the Western media. Only last week there was news that the French rafals attacked the territory of Syria, no one forbade anyone.
                    There was news that Russia asked NATO planes to leave Syria because they have neither a UN mandate nor permission from the legitimate President Assad, to which the US and NATO replied no.
                    Quote: Darkmor
                    Who! What is the country that officially declared war on Syria, and which has military aircraft?

                    There is no coordination center with the USA, there is only a coordination center uniting Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Hezbollah, and that’s all there is no US representative.
                    There is no coordination with the USA regarding the sky over Syria:
                    http://news.yahoo.com/russia-not-cooperating-us-military-safety-talks-carter-141



                    520194.html
                    The Turks somehow shot down a Su-24 aircraft of the Syrian Air Force last year, which allegedly flew into Turkey (go and see if it really flew or not).
                    It is important to understand that the United States seeks to overthrow Assad, Assad’s army is subordinate to him, therefore this Army is the enemy of the United States and NATO. In addition, it was not without reason that the United States transferred F-22s from Hawaii to the Middle East.
                    Quote: Darkmor
                    There are either Syrian or Russian aircraft. All the rest do not have the right to be in the airspace of a sovereign state without a UN decision, and can already be shot down by us.

                    Well, what do you really believe in these UN laws? They have never been implemented by either the US or NATO. Look at the situation in Libya, the UN Security Council voted only for the no-fly zone (Churkin and Lavrov thought that the no-fly zone would protect Libya, including from NATO intervention), but it wasn’t there, Ohio and the US destroyers discharged more than 100 tomahawks across the territory of Libya, bombed the country sparingly. They unfold the laws and interpret them as they wish.
                    And 4 Su-30SM will not protect the airspace from global intervention.
                    The United States can notify in a few hours about the start of a military operation, and what will you do then? RVSN run?
                    1. Darkmor
                      Darkmor 6 October 2015 19: 30
                      +3
                      Su-30SM are guarding the airspace of the base in Latakia

                      So what? They circle around the base, looking for someone to launch a rocket into.
                      I will tell you a terrible secret.
                      In order to destroy any aircraft over Syria, not a single drying is needed, there is a S-300 battalion and a missile cruiser, which covers the whole territory of Syria, and half of the neighboring territory of the states bordering it.
                      Drying is needed there so as not to randomly rocket a missile at any point on the radar - and an airborne plane will be MIRNELY wrapped.
                      such a stink would have already begun in Western media

                      Have you read western media? She began there long ago. And they curse at exactly what you said - that the evil Russian Federation does not allow democratic NATO Efkam to fly up to Syria.

                      And 4 Su-30SM will not protect the airspace from global intervention.

                      So we got to the original topic of the conversation - what for, hang expensive rockets on these dryers if they aren’t enough anyway with a large-scale NATO attack, and with peaceful patrols no matter what they fly with. The question is settled?
            3. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 6 October 2015 12: 59
              -4
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              And if the enemy the fact of the presence of outdated missiles, on the contrary, will lead to aggression?

              then it doesn’t matter who and what will be armed there, how it cracks everywhere and everyone, it will be a conflict with NATO and not with Bedouins on camels
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 6 October 2015 13: 40
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                then it doesn’t matter who and what will be armed there, how it cracks everywhere and everyone, it will be a conflict with NATO and not with Bedouins on camels

                I doubt that due to the 1st plane shot down, the third world war will begin. The USSR from 1945 to 1990 shot down about 50 NATO aircraft that invaded the airspace of the USSR and there was no nuclear war, but here they can shoot down and explain this with an accident and an accident. And what do you think Putin will give the order to use the Strategic Missile Forces against the United States in such a situation because of one plane?
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 6 October 2015 14: 34
                  +5
                  Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                  . USSR from 1945 to 1990 brought down ...

                  Actually, it was not the USSR (it brought down), but it (the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). It is about something else .... hi
              2. SanSuh
                SanSuh 6 October 2015 18: 24
                +1
                And why are there ships with missiles, and why is there air defense, and so on? So that our fighters can just fly with sticks, one hell no one flies to them even close. How many of our ships are there? Lot. )
            4. AlexTires
              AlexTires 6 October 2015 13: 40
              +1
              Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
              Quote: Darkmor
              I will explain why they fly with old rockets.
              In a situation where a real air battle is almost impossible, only the effect of the presence of a fighter in the air is needed. What he flies with is not so important.

              And if the enemy the fact of the presence of outdated missiles, on the contrary, will lead to aggression?
              Quote: Darkmor
              I am sure that there are new missiles on the base that the fighters will equip if there is a real need for their use. But in regular patrolling, especially in the Syrian, desert climate, dragging them under the wings for several hours a day will be expensive in terms of resources.

              That is, the Su-30СМ pilots will tell the enemy on the radio, you wait for me, I will fly missiles to replace with newer ones, otherwise the unfair battle will work with the old ones, and he will say of course I will wait for you ...

              the pilot will simply go under the protection of an air defense umbrella, and just out of the blue, such situations will not arise that would not be known from them from intelligence or radar reconnaissance data .. and they will always take off to safety ...
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 6 October 2015 13: 52
                0
                Quote: AlexTires
                the pilot will simply go under the protection of an air defense umbrella,

                Air defense there from open sources is limited only by Shell C1 and Torom-2M with a radius of destruction of 20 and 15 kilometers, respectively (which guard the base in Latakia).
                Fighters and bombers, however, move hundreds of kilometers from the base in Latakia, therefore, it will take a very long time to fly to the air defense zone.
                1. AlexTires
                  AlexTires 6 October 2015 14: 37
                  +1
                  they seem to say that there is also C300?
          3. roadsmell
            roadsmell 6 October 2015 12: 18
            11
            It is called one simple word - DISPOSAL laughing

            Moreover, it is very effective))))
            1. Throw
              Throw 6 October 2015 12: 57
              +4
              That's right, recycling and wiggling.
              The same is true for old bombs on their boshki.
              It's time to update your arsenals!
              bully
          4. kot11180
            kot11180 6 October 2015 12: 33
            +4
            In addition, missiles have a resource of take-off and landing cycles, and just the old missiles here are just right
          5. Garris199
            Garris199 6 October 2015 13: 47
            0
            In my opinion, there is just a situation where aerial combat is possible as never before. Planes there on alert, if that. Not for beauty.
            1. kot11180
              kot11180 6 October 2015 15: 26
              0
              Air combat is certainly possible, only the R-27 is not a slingshot against a modern sniper rifle. Firstly, the missile is not new of course, but it is fully operational, and it is not known what modifications there are. Secondly, it’s no less important how the air battle begins, whoever discovers the first one, takes a position, guidance etc .. So I think even with these missiles our planes are up to standard.
          6. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 6 October 2015 14: 37
            +3
            .... I will explain why they fly with old rockets ....

            ... I completely agree with the author .... And yet ... All missiles have a resource for landing aircraft ... Given that it is small (from 20 to 40 landings), it’s just not worthwhile to carry modern devices and kill them. ..The missiles themselves were made in Russia, but using Ukrainian ... components ....
          7. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 6 October 2015 14: 47
            +5
            Hello!! Suddenly everyone bothered. Admit to yourself whether you have seen all the trump cards. I do not consider the group gathered in Syria to be toothless. Why then is there a Navy heterogeneous group equipped with it. Also a Soviet relic. Are we really such stupid leaders. I don’t think. Yes, the SU-30s indicate their presence and someone suddenly saw a crowbar under the wing. That the Marine Express stopped working don’t tell my hooves the horse said in one cartoon. If a representative of our group says that we have everything, they say here they don’t say I believe. There in Syria is teeming with all kinds of instrumental intelligence scouts from many interested countries. And better than we know who we are dealing with. The Israeli military created their own contact group to prevent any misunderstandings. They contact our representatives on the spot. Here on the site two years ago The Syrian officer said that in the north of Alepo they encountered strong resistance. With great difficulty they recaptured him a lot of valuable losses. He was holding documents of very interesting officer certificates from Turkey, Qatar and European countries. Documents were returned to the countries through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. And the Syrian army left those places. There, the Kurds did not really like the army. Nobody knows what happened there after. On the first day, our pilots destroyed something important in the area where the Yankees ruled. Even now they say that coalition planes never attacked there, they only flew in large numbers. For Syrian pilots, that area is taboo. And that something banged ours says something important a simple fact. The bearded are organized to leave the inhospitable land of Syria. A simple fact speaks of shock. Only after so much time, the USA started talking that it was necessary to create a zone of responsibility for the Aviation of Russia and the Coalition. Of course, we will never know what our instrumental intelligence found there, but we already see some results. Now our pilots are already acting in the interests of the Syrian Army. They’ll bombard the accumulation of armored vehicles large-caliber artillery positions. Now, after all these events, the British and the USA start a company to discredit the actions of the Russian air forces in Syria. This suggests that we have destroyed something important for the Coalition and are now looking for an opportunity to somehow compensate for this loss.
        2. 740
          740 6 October 2015 11: 41
          +1
          Quote: Bombardier
          Map of Russian aviation attacks (by date):
          https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z4PF1SFiMPjQ.kFa_qMMdFl48

          Eeeeeeeeee map. He obviously knows where to bomb in a month, maybe not far from the Jewish borders. So this colorful illustration does not mean anything. request
          1. Bombardier
            Bombardier 6 October 2015 11: 56
            0
            Quote: 740
            Quote: Bombardier
            Map of Russian aviation attacks (by date):
            https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z4PF1SFiMPjQ.kFa_qMMdFl48

            Eeeeeeeeee map. He obviously knows where to bomb in a month, maybe not far from the Jewish borders. So this colorful illustration does not mean anything. request


            A map for those who do not really know where these or those cities and towns in Syria are located (with their exotic names) and are referred to every day in the media (the map contains a breakdown of air raids by day).

            And for those who are well-versed in Syria - this is really a colorful illustration that does not say anything. hi
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 6 October 2015 11: 57
              +4
              Media: the latest Su-30CM patrolling the Syrian sky are armed with obsolete missiles

              Rather, Roman Katkov has outdated data! soldier
              1. Bombardier
                Bombardier 6 October 2015 12: 04
                -4
                Media: the latest Su-30CM patrolling the Syrian sky are armed with obsolete missiles



                And the pilots do not know about it! laughing
              2. Starik72
                Starik72 6 October 2015 12: 26
                0
                Alexander, or maybe it's just a disinformation for some?
                1. Manul
                  Manul 6 October 2015 13: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: Starik72
                  Alexander, or maybe it's just a disinformation for some?

                  Does anyone know who Roman Katkov is, and is the information true? And sometimes there are some who say that Armata T-14 has cardboard armor ..
              3. Cynic
                Cynic 6 October 2015 20: 21
                +1
                And who, besides the author, believes that the P-27ER is outdated? Adopted in the 90s.
                request
      2. Good me
        Good me 6 October 2015 11: 37
        31
        Media: the latest Su-30CM patrolling the Syrian sky are armed with obsolete missiles


        You would first learn to "get away" from these "outdated" ones, and then you would squeal ...

        (the picture on the "desktop" is very good)
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 6 October 2015 12: 14
          +8
          Quote: Good Me
          You would first learn to "get away" from these "outdated" ones, and then you would squeal ...

          Alas, there are no problems with this. As exercises in the USA at the end of the 80s showed, RVV with semi-active radar of a seeker are practically useless when attacking at distances over 10 km. Already at that time, BKO fighters were able to disrupt the attacks of such RVV at long distances (by the way, this was one of the reasons for the interest in over-maneuverability - because when a long-range attack failed, close combat decided everything).

          The Turks have AMRAAM. Ours have so far only marked R-27.
          However, this is also an achievement - in almost all photos before this war, even when accompanied by "bears" or scouts, our fighters carried only P-73 (or even flew with empty pylons altogether).
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          2. Good me
            Good me 6 October 2015 12: 30
            -1
            Quote: Alexey RA

            Alas, there are no problems with this.


            Are the airplanes (iconic pilots) of the Turkish Air Force and the US Air Force the same thing?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 6 October 2015 13: 17
              +5
              Quote: Good Me
              Are the airplanes (iconic pilots) of the Turkish Air Force and the US Air Force the same thing?

              According to the Turkish Air Force technology - at the level of the US Air Force. The Turks have the same F-16 Block 50.
              In terms of flight training, the Turks may be better than the staff members. Their F-16s regularly work on the ground against the Kurds and "dance" with the Greeks when performing air defense missions.
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 6 October 2015 14: 19
                0
                Quote: Alexey RA
                The Turks have the same F-16 Block 50.

                Turkey seems to have produced the F-16 under license.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 6 October 2015 15: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Lt. air force reserve

                  Turkey seems to have produced the F-16 under license.

                  Yes, Turkey is one of the 5 countries that produce the F-16.
                  Judging by f-16.net, the agreement on the production of the Turks was signed on fairly stringent conditions:
                  Under the terms of Peace Onyx I, TAI is not allowed to sell its aircraft to any air force, including the THK. Consequently, the F-16s built at Akinci have to be delivered first to the USAF, which then turns them over to the THK. In practice, each locally-built F-16 makes a flight to NAS Sigonella (or any other US base close to Turkey) where it performs a touch-and-go (obligatory; the aircraft has to touch US soil) and then flies back to Turkey.

                  That is, all F-16s produced in the first batch (Peace Onyx I) were transferred first to the US Air Force, and they already passed them to the Turks. The direct sale of Turkish-made F-16s to anyone other than the US Air Force was banned.
        2. screw cutter
          screw cutter 6 October 2015 12: 42
          +2
          The picture is good, no words, but which of the pylons left the rocket? It seems everything is in place.
          1. Good me
            Good me 6 October 2015 13: 17
            +1
            Quote: screw cutter
            The picture is good, no words, but which of the pylons left the rocket? It seems everything is in place.

            And you look closely yes .

            The rocket "came" from another plane, from the BACK,LOWER HEMISPHERES ...

            "A couple" of ours worked ...
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        3. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 6 October 2015 13: 07
          -1
          Good! But on the first plane, Amer’s symbolism is not enough :)
        4. figwam
          figwam 6 October 2015 13: 20
          +1
          You would first learn to "leave" these "outdated"

          R-30EA missiles can be used on the SU-27SM, this missile uses the "fire and forget" principle
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      4. anderles66
        anderles66 6 October 2015 11: 41
        +6
        Recent events show that misunderstandings can be with the Turks. And there - with the Americans. And by and large - with any aircraft from the coalition. Where war and nerves are at the limit, anything is possible.
      5. Hello
        Hello 6 October 2015 11: 43
        +8
        Quote: 740
        Quote: Hubun
        it’s sad, of course, although in my opinion there’s no one in our sky in Syria

        Who knows. It is impossible to exclude misunderstandings in the sky of Syria with the Israelis. And they will probably have better missiles than ours.

        It is unlikely that this will come to pass, neither Israel nor Russia in the region has anything to share. Russia is interested in maintaining the regime in Syria and weakening the influence of the United States and the monarchies of the Gulf. Israel is interested in that, as a result of this weakening, Iran does not become too influential in the region. I think that’s what the conversation was about in Moscow. So they’ll probably talk and negotiate
        1. 740
          740 6 October 2015 11: 46
          +3
          Quote: Hello
          Hardly will come to this

          I would like to. Although on the other hand, we remember beautifully how the valiant Israeli falcons grinned at Liberty. What a scandal, they hit the overseas patron on the cheek. That's what you hope for. hi
        2. lablizn
          lablizn 6 October 2015 11: 54
          +1
          Right! Only the weakening of the United States and the monarchies will automatically lead (and already leads, in the light of recent agreements on the Iranian nuclear program) to strengthen Iran’s influence in the region. Of course, Russia will try to somehow level this problem, but ...
          as one far from stupid politician said: "Intentions are not important, opportunities are important."
          So everything is very difficult.
          1. Hello
            Hello 6 October 2015 12: 07
            +3
            Quote: lablizn
            Right! Only the weakening of the United States and the monarchies will automatically lead (and already leads, in the light of recent agreements on the Iranian nuclear program) to strengthen Iran’s influence in the region. Of course, Russia will try to somehow level this problem, but ...
            as one far from stupid politician said: "Intentions are not important, opportunities are important."
            So everything is very difficult.

            Well, automatically I would not say that Russia's entry into the conflict makes it a leader in this connection, which is unlikely to please Iran. So if the conflict ends successfully, Russia will play on the contradictions between Israel and Iran. Which is certainly in the hands of Israel since we have no influence on Syria at all.
        3. V.ic
          V.ic 6 October 2015 11: 59
          +2
          Quote: Hello
          So most likely they will talk and agree

          And before, what prevented this?
          1. Hello
            Hello 6 October 2015 12: 17
            +4
            Quote: V.ic
            Quote: Hello
            So most likely they will talk and agree

            And before, what prevented this?

            Have we fought before? As far as I know, since 91, the relationship is calm and even.
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 6 October 2015 12: 47
              0
              [quote = Hello] Have we fought before? [/ quote]
              Воевали, воевали с апреля 1948 года... Дейр-Ясин. http://www.ejwiki.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%80-%D0%AF%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BD_(19
              48_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4)
              Since the USSR it is mediated in 1973.
              [quote = Hello] As far as I know, since 91, the relationship is calm and even. [/ quote]
              Now they will become even calmer and more even.
              [quote = Hello] Nick is not in honor of Allah?
              1. Hello
                Hello 6 October 2015 13: 09
                +1
                Is allo so similar to Allah? Hello is the favorite word of the Israelites. :-)
                Well, they didn’t directly fight rather by trust.
          2. Serg 122
            Serg 122 6 October 2015 12: 27
            +1
            Quote...
            And before, what prevented this?

            The absence of Russian aerospace forces in this region. Now - they are there, and now it is time to agree ...
        4. veksha50
          veksha50 6 October 2015 12: 02
          +1
          Quote: Hello
          I think that’s what the conversation was about in Moscow. So they’ll probably talk and negotiate


          While the big ranks are being agreed at the top, local situations are created when the outcome is predetermined by the nerves and determination of ordinary people, in particular pilots ...

          And when someone’s nerves can’t stand it, then all the results of diplomatic agreements can collapse in literally seconds ...
          1. Hello
            Hello 6 October 2015 12: 20
            +7
            Quote: veksha50
            Quote: Hello
            I think that’s what the conversation was about in Moscow. So they’ll probably talk and negotiate


            While the big ranks are being agreed at the top, local situations are created when the outcome is predetermined by the nerves and determination of ordinary people, in particular pilots ...

            And when someone’s nerves can’t stand it, then all the results of diplomatic agreements can collapse in literally seconds ...

            Anything can be respected, but if there is no desire to conflict, the situation will be hushed up. As has happened more than once in this world.
        5. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 6 October 2015 13: 05
          0
          It’s not that there’s nothing to share. The point is the meanness and unscrupulousness of someone whom I will not point a finger at. If this someone helps, equips and heals the terrorists, so that later they can be sent to Syria, he will go to any meanness, including our planes can be shot down for the sake of his penny profit.
          1. Hello
            Hello 6 October 2015 18: 06
            0
            Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
            It’s not that there’s nothing to share. The point is the meanness and unscrupulousness of someone whom I will not point a finger at. If this someone helps, equips and heals the terrorists, so that later they can be sent to Syria, he will go to any meanness, including our planes can be shot down for the sake of his penny profit.

            Oh, I will be glad to see at least one example of weapons and treatment of bearded hares wink
      6. Hamul
        Hamul 6 October 2015 11: 47
        +8
        Hm. Where does the universal pichalka come from? Do you know who this Roman Katkov is and why he writes for the messenger of Mordovia? And where did he get information from what fighters fly in Syria - do they come to him for a report? He oversees the airborne forces in Syria?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 6 October 2015 12: 17
          +1
          Quote: Hamul
          Hm. Where does the universal pichalka come from? Do you know who this Roman Katkov is and why he writes for the messenger of Mordovia? And where did he get information from what fighters fly in Syria - do they come to him for a report? He oversees the airborne forces in Syria?

          Information from the Ministry of Defense - on all official photos of the Su-30 from Syria, it is R-27 that hangs on them. The plumage of these RVV is very difficult to confuse with something.
      7. NEXUS
        NEXUS 6 October 2015 11: 48
        12
        Quote: 740
        Who knows. It is impossible to exclude misunderstandings in the sky of Syria with the Israelis. And they will probably have better missiles than ours.

        But why in Syria do you need expensive and new missiles if the warehouses are filled with old, but effective and cheaper weapons? Or is ISIS equipped with aviation with high-tech weapons and means to combat such weapons? So is it worth shining a new and often secret one?
      8. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 6 October 2015 11: 54
        14
        Izzy, yesterday, to our pilot Monet, one person from Mordovia secretly said that Russia has old missiles on planes in Syria! Do you think you didn’t lie? I don’t know, Monya hasn’t come home for the third day, his wife says he flew to find out, until he returned laughing !
      9. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 6 October 2015 12: 01
        +3
        What nonsense ... they saw the air and air missiles ... or do the ISIS have planes ??? the guys from this "messenger of Mordovia" have nothing to do on the way, LET THE EDITORIAL IN THE FIELD ON A POTATO !!!
      10. vell.65
        vell.65 6 October 2015 12: 03
        +1
        Quote: 740
        .And they probably have better missiles than ours.

        The author of the article at least logically thought for himself, if they send aviation to a zone of combat conflict, what kind of old weapons will they use, because everything new must be "tested" in real conditions. soldier
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 6 October 2015 12: 06
          +3
          Quote: vell.65
          after all, everything new must be "tested" in real conditions.

          Who is running in? Or are we going to shoot down NATO planes and UAVs? In Syria, we are fighting with ISIS, which has no air force!
          1. your1970
            your1970 6 October 2015 12: 46
            +1
            with this in mind and the understanding that at any time it is possible to cover with С-300-mi from ships and aircraft located on the ground (with possibly new missiles suspended) - duty couples can generally fly without weapons, in principle.
            They IDENTIFY our presence and serve a reminder all about the armored train on the siding and the seriousness of our intentions.
            "I said, I will marry, then I will marry - and it does not matter who!" © anecdote
        2. 740
          740 6 October 2015 12: 10
          -1
          Quote: vell.65
          The author of the article at least logically thought himself

          But really well done man, thought of such a brilliant idea, he certainly deserved a box of port from the editorial board as a bonus.
        3. Sura
          Sura 6 October 2015 12: 36
          0
          The author of the article at least logically thought for himself, if they send aviation to a zone of combat conflict, what kind of old weapons will they use, because everything new must be "tested" in real conditions. soldie.

          He was told from the State Department to say, he says, grants must be worked out.
      11. evfrat
        evfrat 6 October 2015 12: 23
        +2
        Quote: 740
        Quote: Hubun
        it’s sad, of course, although in my opinion there’s no one in our sky in Syria

        Who knows. It is impossible to exclude misunderstandings in the sky of Syria with the Israelis. And they will probably have better missiles than ours.

        Can you really argue?
        1. 740
          740 6 October 2015 12: 25
          -2
          Quote: evfrat
          Can you really argue?

          Why is it incomprehensible here?
      12. Gray-haired
        Gray-haired 6 October 2015 12: 29
        +2
        Why are you (sir) vert on sonovaniya: "And they probably will have better missiles than ours."? Link at least some. winked
        1. 740
          740 6 October 2015 12: 31
          -1
          Quote: Gray
          And they probably will have better rockets than ours

          The assumption, you do vysery in the toilet. wassat
          1. evfrat
            evfrat 6 October 2015 21: 37
            0
            Surely - this is a statement after all.
      13. Bobxnumx
        Bobxnumx 6 October 2015 12: 34
        +1
        Well, most likely not with the Israelis, but with NATO aircraft. As I understand it, we have already agreed on everything with the Jews.
      14. Bayonet
        Bayonet 6 October 2015 14: 25
        0
        Quote: 740
        Who knows. One cannot rule out misunderstandings in the sky of Syria with the Israelis.

        That's the least of all "misunderstandings" with them. “On Tuesday, October 6, the Deputy Chief of the General Staff of Israel, Yair Golan, will meet with his Russian counterpart Nikolai Bogdanovsky. The meeting will take place in Tel Aviv and will be part of a two-day visit of the Russian military delegation to Israel. It will discuss, in particular, the coordination of actions in the region, "- quotes RIA Novosti the words of an Israeli officer who wished to remain unnamed.

        Original news RT in Russian:
        http://russian.rt.com/article/121546
        1. 740
          740 6 October 2015 15: 37
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          This is the least of all "misunderstandings" with them. On Tuesday, October 6, the Deputy Chief of the General Staff of Israel, Yair Golan, will meet with his Russian counterpart Nikolai Bogdanovsky. The meeting will take place in Tel Aviv and will be part of a two-day visit of the Russian military delegation to Israel. It will discuss, in particular, the coordination of actions in the region, ”RIA Novosti quotes the words of an Israeli officer who wished to remain unnamed.

          Your faith gives me more confidence to trust this letter.
    2. vladnn2015
      vladnn2015 6 October 2015 11: 33
      22
      There is no sadness. Old rockets also need to be put somewhere. And here we get rid of the benefits and junk!
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 6 October 2015 11: 36
        +7

        Ugh on me, of course, God forbid, but new ones may still come in handy for a more important thing



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      3. Temples
        Temples 6 October 2015 11: 38
        11
        In such a situation, our Russian fighter can be compared with a mighty warrior who has a dull sword in its scabbard ...

        The mighty warrior and club can warm so that it does not seem enough.
        Who knows what specific tasks pilots get? And what weapons are needed to complete these tasks?
        Or do pilots and command need to receive instruction from Katkov?
      4. Altona
        Altona 6 October 2015 11: 40
        +9
        Quote: vladnn2015
        There is no sadness. Old rockets also need to be put somewhere. And here we get rid of the benefits and junk!

        ---------------------
        And what's the difference than bombing Iblis? What difference does it make to them that they are hit by an active new or a semi-active old? We have good bombs for "good" terrorists, bad bombs for bad ones ... Better to shoot the old arsenal than to dispose of, I think so ... And everyone will be fine, we will free the warehouse hangars, the Iblis will get their cuckoo ...
    3. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 6 October 2015 11: 35
      +8
      The muslims of aviation are dumb (or rather, they grabbed something there, but I think the attitude is like cowards according to the Koran - since the prophet did not wear (did not fly on airplanes) then they should not laughing

      Enough for cover, plus an umbrella from the air defense deployed.
      And in case of aggravation, I think, in warehouses and the latest samples there
    4. Sterlya
      Sterlya 6 October 2015 11: 36
      +1
      Quote: Hubun
      it’s sad, of course, although in my opinion there’s no one in our sky in Syria

      I hope in GSh they know what they are doing. what else remains
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 October 2015 11: 41
      12
      However, airplanes are fencing with outdated R-27ER air-to-air missiles,
      In the first photo, it’s definitely not Syria.
      Here are from Syria and what kind of missiles are standing, P 27 and P 73 are put.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 6 October 2015 11: 55
        +1
        Why not use R-77 missiles in Syria?
        I can understand the ground bombing by uncontrolled FABs, why spend expensive KABs on the destruction of a militant base located in the desert in Syria. But cover aviation should be equipped with the latest missiles that are in service.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 October 2015 12: 06
          +2
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Why not use R-77 missiles in Syria?

          Seen badly, I do not know whether or not
        2. Gray-haired
          Gray-haired 6 October 2015 12: 33
          -1
          Well ka zvezdyukni to the General Staff for such a revision, Napolen you ours, homegrown! laughing
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    7. cosmos111
      cosmos111 6 October 2015 11: 52
      0
      Quote: Hubun
      although in my opinion in the sky of Syria our clash with no one


      there is always the opportunity to get over it ..... more precisely, to respond to a provocation ....

      but THIS is already very serious....
      Turkish Security Council discusses incident with Russian aircraft

      Earlier it became known that on Saturday a Russian military plane violated Turkish airspace from Syria in the Yailadagh region of Hatay province.
      "At the meeting of the Security Council, the development of the situation in Syria, the violation of the airspace (by the plane of the Russian Federation - ed.) On the Turkish-Syrian border, as well as steps to be taken in case of new such violations were discussed. We welcomed the NATO statement expressing solidarity with satisfaction. with Turkey. The details of the ongoing operation to combat terrorism within the country and the threat of terrorism in Turkey from Syria and Iraq were also considered, "

      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20151006/1297533446.html#ixzz3nmAnmUEt
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 6 October 2015 12: 02
        +1
        Quote: cosmos111
        but THIS is already very serious.

        They will die, not for the first time and not for the last ...
    8. forester
      forester 6 October 2015 11: 58
      +4
      Quote: Hubun
      it’s sad, of course, although in my opinion there’s no one in our sky in Syria

      Don’t be sad - sometimes death is more effective than missiles - let the adversary feed false hopes
    9. larand
      larand 6 October 2015 11: 59
      +3
      Quote: Hubun
      it’s sad, of course, although in my opinion there’s no one in our sky in Syria


      And Katkov, the author of the "analysis", what kind of pepper is this? A military analyst, rocket scientist or something, decided to chat?
    10. NordUral
      NordUral 6 October 2015 12: 07
      +1
      This is for now. I hope that this will remain. And I also hope that those who are supposed to take into account that fighting with the United States will also not be able to bomb Papuans. The enemy must be taken seriously, the shtatkovs are a strong enemy, armed very well. We must not lose face and our children in the skies of Syria and Iraq, and maybe Afghanistan, this is already being dealt with.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 6 October 2015 15: 40
        0
        The enemy must be taken seriously, the shtatkovs are a strong enemy, armed very well.
        Come on you! Well, thank God, now we’ll at least know!
    11. 97110
      97110 6 October 2015 12: 53
      0
      Quote: Hubun
      it’s sad, of course, although in my opinion there’s no one in our sky in Syria

      Take a break from the Syrian sky for a moment. Maxim with McCain, the ladies on the demolition (or have they already become empty?) And paralyzed ... By the way, this audience is empowered to make decisions, including who we will fight with. How do you vouch for their brains? Yes, they are exposed figures. But everyone expects that they will reproduce the order of some secret Manager. And they will rush to execute. The order of the one who was offended by the GDP, exhausted by the process of carrying a child, received a stroke - but you never know, on which the decision-making of the "lights of reason" depends. Exceptional, by the way. So it's better to keep an eye out ...
  2. Cheshire
    Cheshire 6 October 2015 11: 31
    +3
    The old horse does not spoil the furrow. After all, you have to put on old rockets. And a lot depends on the pilot.
    1. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 6 October 2015 11: 37
      +3
      [quote = Cheshire] The old horse does not spoil the furrow.

      Yes, he sleeps in her!
      I think it all depends on the need for application. It will be needed, they will use new ones, although not in general order! hi
    2. 97110
      97110 6 October 2015 14: 05
      +1
      Quote: Cheshire
      After all, you have to put on old rockets.

      the Americans also tried to "dispose" of the old missiles during the Vietnam War. This is normal. Even the aircraft carrier was saved. I was burned a little, and the air group on it became smaller. But we learned what sometimes happens with an old rocket.
  3. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 6 October 2015 11: 32
    +6
    I think that there are modern ones too, but the old ones need to be disposed of, but I wish that they wouldn’t get to this ...
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 6 October 2015 12: 05
      0
      Quote: RUSIVAN
      but old ones need to be disposed of

      Old ones need to be disposed of in exercises, firing at an educational target, simulating aerial combat.
      Quote: RUSIVAN
      I think that there are modern ones,

      It is unlikely that new missiles will be able to teleport to the pylons of the suspension during a combat situation.
  4. Sura
    Sura 6 October 2015 11: 32
    +3
    Insanity grew stronger. Putin personally told this Katkov personally, probably what kind of missiles are there and which ones are not ... all the info, only through Katkov, a navel, probably ...
  5. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 6 October 2015 11: 32
    +4
    Where to put them? The best way to dispose of obsolete ammunition. But you can pour as much as you want.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 6 October 2015 12: 03
      +1
      Quote: hhhhhhh
      The best way to dispose of obsolete ammunition

      + + + + + good According to reports from Mordovia, the majority of Erzyans believe that the missiles are good and most of the Moksha agree with them.
  6. RBLip
    RBLip 6 October 2015 11: 33
    +1
    recycling is ...
  7. Babai. Alex
    Babai. Alex 6 October 2015 11: 33
    +4
    Where does infa come from? Is that written on all fences? I think that hardly.
    1. amirbek
      amirbek 6 October 2015 12: 12
      +2
      a fighter can be compared to a mighty warrior with a dull sword in its scabbard
      in the right hands a blunt sword cuts worse than a sharpened one
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 6 October 2015 12: 24
        +3
        Quote: Amirbek
        in the right hands a blunt sword cuts worse than a sharpened one

        It’s important that the earth-surface arsenal is what the doctor ordered hi
        1. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 6 October 2015 15: 43
          +1
          Absolutely agree. Fighting in the air is not expected. There are in full swing consultations of all interested. They will fly nearby to mow and that's it. Each has its own tasks. Someone is watching how ours act, who is watching what is happening on earth. All the chapel. Everyone knows perfectly well what a strange guest arrived under the country letter designation. Russian Aerospace Forces. The only thing that bothers you is that the Coalition asked in advance to let them know where they were going to bang. And the guest waved a hand supposedly then we will figure it out. That's all the problems. There are no others.
  8. Air Force captain
    Air Force captain 6 October 2015 11: 34
    +3
    here su30 is rather a deterrent. God forbid - it will come to the slaughter with NATO ... crap them will be something else
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 6 October 2015 11: 50
      0
      If it comes to the "cut", it is better to have something "useful" under the wing immediately. Otherwise, it will turn out "Guys, excuse me, I'm going to fly for new missiles and reload. And you don't leave yet." laughing
  9. Engineer
    Engineer 6 October 2015 11: 34
    +5
    The liberal regiment of nasal scribes-experts replenished with Roman Katkov.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 6 October 2015 11: 37
      +1
      Quote: Engineer
      The liberal regiment of nasal scribes-experts replenished with Roman Katkov.

      Well, where without them then ... bully
  10. lopvlad
    lopvlad 6 October 2015 11: 35
    +4
    planes barrage with obsolete R-27ER air-to-air missiles, once launched in Ukraine

    very competent utilization of junk released in "fraternal" Ukraine, the characteristics of which the West has studied up and down.
  11. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 6 October 2015 11: 35
    -2
    Just nonsense .... who is interested in such infa, which is generally secret?
  12. HAM
    HAM 6 October 2015 11: 36
    +5
    I think that there will be no hunters to test the effect of "old stuff" on themselves.
  13. DHA
    DHA 6 October 2015 11: 36
    +2
    Now experts of all stripes will come out. What missiles are used there, I think only specialists in a narrow circle know. The bombing showed how effective the use of Russian weapons, this proves howling in the Western media.
  14. Pacifist
    Pacifist 6 October 2015 11: 37
    +3
    What's behind these conclusions ? Facts and photos in the studio pliz. Just not what is attached to the article, there is a photo of R-73. So for now, it looks a lot like throwing tomatoes.
    1. Pacifist
      Pacifist 6 October 2015 12: 13
      +7
      Apparently the conclusion was made on the basis of this photo. On the suspension is really a R-27 family missile. That's just the whole compote in the fact that this is a family, with external similarity. includes several options for GOS (passive, semi-active and active radar). And to say exactly what type is used by ours in Syria can someone who knows for sure. Otherwise, this is deliberate speculation.

      PS in this photo, by the way, the thermal seeker, judging by the rounding of the fairing.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 6 October 2015 12: 20
        +2
        Quote: Pacifist
        Apparently the conclusion was made on the basis of this photo. On the suspension is really a R-27 family missile. That's just the whole compote in the fact that this is a family, with external similarity. includes several options for GOS (passive, semi-active and active radar).

        Ahem ... and on which R-27 is the ARLGSN?
        It seems that the R-27 family has only semi-active radar, passive radar and infrared seeker.
        1. Pacifist
          Pacifist 6 October 2015 12: 50
          +1
          Yes, it was not accurate. Option ARLGSN worked out, but was not implemented with the priority of a new missile. Now, as I understand it, we can talk about PARGSN, but still I did not find photos with her in Syria. All that I saw was not the R-27ER, but rather the R-27ET judging by the contours of the fairing. from the face of the face did not find pictures.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 6 October 2015 13: 30
            +3
            Quote: Pacifist
            Yes, it was not accurate. Option ARLGSN worked out, but was not implemented with the priority of a new missile. Now, as I understand it, we can talk about PARGSN, but still I did not find photos with her in Syria.


            The nearest (upper) - R-73. Far - R-27R (or ER, or P1, or ER1).

            And here is a close-up:
            1. eagle11
              eagle11 6 October 2015 16: 02
              +2
              The R-27R missile, not an "energetic" missile, has a characteristic transition to the thickening of the body in the tail section, and is also longer.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 6 October 2015 19: 43
                0
                Quote: eagle11
                The R-27R missile, not an "energetic" missile, has a characteristic transition to the thickening of the body in the tail section, and is also longer.

                Thanks for clarifying!
                I just was not sure that the upper and lower snapshot belong to the same machine. And on the bow, it is almost impossible to determine the exact type of RVV.
      2. Nasty
        Nasty 6 October 2015 12: 51
        +1
        The R-73 has a TGSN, the R-27 family: R-27R PARGSN, R-27ER (long-range firing) PARGSN is still the same. but the R-27T, R-27ET-TGSN, these are missiles that have set the teeth on edge "unparalleled." The R-27 never had an ARGSN. This junk is only suitable for bombers and transporters.
  15. bish
    bish 6 October 2015 11: 37
    +1
    Of course, we need to equip our aircraft with new missiles. Due to the lack of effectiveness of obsolete missiles in aerial combat, you can lose a pilot and an airplane, which costs a lot of money and labor. So here it is better not to save on missiles and other weapons for such expensive equipment. And the prestige of the country may suffer.
  16. aviator1913
    aviator1913 6 October 2015 11: 37
    +1
    A good article, I hope that air battles really are not expected, otherwise you can sit in a puddle.

    The example of a hero is also indicative, a good fighter without good missiles in such a place is a bad idea.
  17. vovanpain
    vovanpain 6 October 2015 11: 37
    +7
    Modern ones will have to be installed, while these can be disposed of, and the media don’t have to raise panic, alarmists and whiners ahead of time, and so on.
  18. Yuyuka
    Yuyuka 6 October 2015 11: 37
    +4
    I do not think that they are used because of "poverty", looking at how the operation is planned, it seems that the principle of rational sufficiency is used, and there is also a "trump card in the sleeve", and more than one, so in case of need there are notes and a piano in the bushes. Why bother our partners? They are already poor on the nerves. winked
  19. Oleneboy_
    Oleneboy_ 6 October 2015 11: 38
    +4
    Let the media write what they want.SU_30SM is the newest fighter with the latest weapons.SU-30SM work in Syria to cover the Rooks.Sitting only on refueling and replenishment of the ammunition.Changing crews. I’m proud of our pilots. I’m proud of the country. Let all the living come back. guys
  20. nekot
    nekot 6 October 2015 11: 38
    +3
    Where does the information come from exactly with the R-27ER? Maybe another modification? And what, other missiles are suspended, only medium-range? It looks like OBS
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 6 October 2015 12: 23
      +2
      Quote: nekot
      Where does the information come from exactly with the R-27ER? Maybe another modification? And what, other missiles are suspended, only medium-range? It looks like OBS

      If another modification - then this is even worse. Because the R-27ER (ER1) is the most modern and long-range version of the RVV from the R-27 family.
  21. Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin 6 October 2015 11: 41
    -1
    Friends are sure that on dryers in Syria everything is the most modern, it’s even foolish to imagine that the planes are the most modern and the ammunition is old, where is the logic ?!
  22. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 6 October 2015 11: 41
    0
    What are you all up to? There is an information war. You yourself know that the US agents are not being touched, they are not being planted, but are given the opportunity to conduct their vile propaganda. Here and Katkov got out. And they would have given through the horns where they were all, but, not 37year ....
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    2. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 6 October 2015 13: 12
      0
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      What are you all up to? There is an information war. You yourself know that the US agents are not being touched, they are not being planted, but are given the opportunity to conduct their vile propaganda. Here and Katkov got out. And they would have given through the horns where they were all, but, not 37year ....

      It remains only 22 years ... tolerate))
  23. Balu495
    Balu495 6 October 2015 11: 42
    0
    Quote: 740
    Quote: Hubun
    it’s sad, of course, although in my opinion there’s no one in our sky in Syria

    Who knows. It is impossible to exclude misunderstandings in the sky of Syria with the Israelis. And they will probably have better missiles than ours.

    Let's hope for the skill of the aces Wang-u-shin and Li-si-tsin ...
    1. 740
      740 6 October 2015 12: 06
      +1
      Quote: Balu495
      Let's hope for the skill of the aces Wang-u-shin and Li-si-tsin ...

      Still. Not to hope for Ahmeds. laughing
  24. bronik
    bronik 6 October 2015 11: 42
    0
    If NATO sees something new on the hangers of fighters, there will be a lot of howling. If necessary, replace it with modern ones for a short time and - here's a "surprise".
  25. Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 6 October 2015 11: 42
    -5
    Quote: hhhhhhh
    Where to put them? The best way to dispose of obsolete ammunition. But you can pour as much as you want.

    this is not the case when ammunition can be disposed of! Such disposal can be equated to the disposal of aircraft (happen that), which are already very few. Got involved a bit early, it’s not strong yet. You could just help with weapons, IMHO.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 6 October 2015 12: 12
      +2
      Quote: Trigger-Happy
      this is not the case when ammunition can be disposed of!

      Are you sure that our pilot in the skies of Syria needs to point his finger at the target mark and say "Pu-uk", as in an exercise in Geyrop? For your information: the landing of an aircraft with not dropped bombs is a prerequisite for a flight accident with the appropriate conclusions.
  26. regdan
    regdan 6 October 2015 11: 43
    0
    Again the media? And it's not easier to start writing the headline "Lying, corrupt media" ... It will be more honest.
  27. sieras
    sieras 6 October 2015 11: 44
    +5
    Media: the latest Su-30CM patrolling the Syrian sky are armed with obsolete missiles
    Well, that's weird. it means terrorists have nothing to fear. the atoms lobbied and they began to scatter. and here it turns out old missiles, why be afraid of them.
    and now it will be calmer to fly, the Russians have old missiles. and if the old ones, then the damage to the aircraft of the "allies" will not be significant, it will just tear off the wings.
  28. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 6 October 2015 11: 44
    +2
    Mom will be thrown in to the bandits and the old, don't worry, but the new and the best only to "friends and partners" am
  29. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 6 October 2015 11: 44
    0
    Israeli intelligence thinks it’s not sleeping and knows how many of our planes are there, what’s out of arms and if there really were old missiles under the wings of our dryers and, as the author of the article said, not the most effective missiles, it’s unlikely that their flyers were scared off by our planes by the moment how it happened recently
  30. anderles66
    anderles66 6 October 2015 11: 45
    -1
    At the level of "expert", as well as his information, is indicated by the publication for which he gave his "expert opinion" - "Bulletin of Mordovia". I love Mordovia very much, but somehow it does not work to consider its messenger authoritative in the field of military aviation.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 6 October 2015 12: 38
      +3
      Quote: anderles66
      At the level of "expert", as well as his information, is indicated by the publication for which he gave his "expert opinion" - "Bulletin of Mordovia". I love Mordovia very much, but somehow it does not work to consider its messenger authoritative in the field of military aviation.

      Ah-ha-ha ... that is, when Vestnik Mordovii writes about the achievements of the Russian military-industrial complex, it is an authoritative publication to which you can refer. And reprints on topwar of such articles from "Vestnik" collected dozens of pluses.

      And when "Vestnik" dared to mention the presence of R-27ER on the Su-30 suspensions in Syria (clearly visible on all photos of the Su-30), then there and then considered authoritative fails.

      Either a cross or underpants ...
  31. Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 6 October 2015 11: 45
    -1
    What kind of nonsense in the article? Missiles with the letter E are only exported and are not used in the RF Armed Forces!
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 6 October 2015 12: 41
      +5
      Quote: YuriWhite
      What kind of nonsense in the article? Missiles with the letter E are only exported and are not used in the RF Armed Forces!

      Comrade, a lot of copies were broken about the letter "E" in the R-27ER.
      R-27ER and ER1 are "home" missiles with improved energy (more long-range).
      Here are the data from the manufacturer's website - JSC "KTRV":
      Propulsion system - single-mode RDTT (R-27R1), dual-mode RDTT (R-27ER1).
      1. ancient
        ancient 6 October 2015 15: 28
        +5
        Quote: Alexey RA
        R-27ER and ER1


        Alexey write everything correctly, but .. everything with the first one used to "come" from the "Artyom" factory, and now ... EXPORT! +! drinks
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 6 October 2015 15: 43
          +5
          Quote: ancient
          Alexey write everything correctly, but .. everything with the first one used to "come" from the "Artyom" factory, and now ... EXPORT! +!

          Yeah, I just noticed myself that "unit" is "export". KTRV does not write about this on the R-27P page, but mentions it on the R-27P page:
          Air-to-air guided missiles R-27P, R-27EP (in export version R-27P1, R-27EP1)

          Damn, in our letter-digital without polltir not understand. For all, "E" is "export", and for KTRV "E" - "energy". But the export modification is designated by the number "1".
          And right there, the letter "E" again becomes "export" for the KAB-500S-E manufactured by the same KTRV. smile

          And even more confusing the situation is that the native MO, in the absence of "home" products, can launch a hand in an export order (according to rumors, this is how the PRR was obtained during 08.08.08). Yes, and in the images of the Su-34 from Syria, it seems, they identified the KAB-500S-E.
          1. ancient
            ancient 6 October 2015 15: 54
            +3
            Quote: Alexey RA
            For all "E" is export, and for KTRV "E" - energy. But the export modification is indicated by a number. * wall *


            I agree, +! drinks
          2. ancient
            ancient 6 October 2015 16: 54
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RA
            (according to rumors, this is how PRR was obtained during 08.08.08)


            She .. this is nothing more than just "rumors" wink Everything was there much more ... more transparent. drinks



            Quote: Alexey RA
            Yes, and the pictures of the Su-34 from Syria seem to have identified the KAB-500S-E.


            And here you write everything absolutely right, +! drinks And about KAB-500S-E and about "put a hand in the export order" wink
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 6 October 2015 15: 07
      +3
      Quote: YuriWhite
      What kind of nonsense in the article? Missiles with the letter E are only exported and are not used in the RF Armed Forces!

      In the garage, one connoisseur of letters, in a moralizing tone, argued to me that he had a Finnish battery (the inscription "Made in Turkey") - you see "Turk" is written, there is such a city in Finland!smile
  32. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 6 October 2015 11: 45
    -2
    Where is the infa, where is the infa ... One brow with a camera was shown the junk on suspensions, for another it is strategic information already - and the "experts" drove the topic to pedal. Paper, she's patient. But I wonder why the SU-30SM took off alone in that report - the flight was not a training one. The tactics have changed, or what? Doubtful. It looks like misinformation was sold to the correspondent.
  33. roskot
    roskot 6 October 2015 11: 45
    0
    And that Roman Katkov suspends rockets on the SU-30. Or send him information via SMS?
  34. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 6 October 2015 11: 46
    0
    It’s not clear. On the contrary, I heard on the radio and T.V. Fake.? Our officials. (Some)
  35. Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin 6 October 2015 11: 46
    +1
    Quote: Tambov Wolf
    What are you all up to? There is an information war. You yourself know that the US agents are not being touched, they are not being planted, but are given the opportunity to conduct their vile propaganda. Here and Katkov got out. And they would have given through the horns where they were all, but, not 37year ....

    Absolutely true!
  36. shadow
    shadow 6 October 2015 11: 47
    0
    And where did you get the idea that such outdated missiles are there? The author of the article must have personally watched the marking of missiles at the base in Syria?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 6 October 2015 15: 20
      +2
      Quote: Shadows
      The author of the article must have personally watched the marking of missiles at the base in Syria?

      You can see the rockets in the photo. Here is the P-77.
      1. ancient
        ancient 6 October 2015 16: 57
        +2
        Quote: Bayonet
        You can see the rockets in the photo. Here is the P-77.


        So yes, just this .. "layouts", because. this is BM and he is ..without "Irbis" wink

        And here .. the same wink

  37. ram_design
    ram_design 6 October 2015 11: 48
    0
    FALSE!!!!

    This is a provocative article.
    And besides lying!

    Currently, R-77 air-to-air missiles are used in the weapon system of MiG-29, Su-27, and Su-30 fighters of all modifications. In Syria there are R-77 air-to-air missiles, replacing the obsolete R-73 missiles, but not the R-27!

    The R-77 missile (RVV-AE) is designed to destroy medium-range aerodynamic targets: highly maneuverable aircraft, cruise missiles, ground-to-air and air-to-air missiles, helicopters (including in hover mode) and etc. A missile-forget principle is implemented in a rocket, including in multi-channel firing.

    In the sky of Syria, Russia has no enemies. ISIS has neither airplanes nor helicopters.
    NATO Air Force does not dare to go into conflict.

    The question is, why this article !?
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 6 October 2015 12: 04
      +1
      Quote: ram_design
      The question is, why this article !?

      How is this what? It’s necessary to somehow lower the degree of patriotism - and they’re trying - out, the contact wave also raised a wave of indignation and urgent clarification - like the supermakak made Putin at the UN. It’s not clear why in the Bulletin of Mordovia.
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 6 October 2015 12: 14
      0
      Quote: ram_design
      The question is, why this article !?

      The author of the article decided to gather information, and at the same time to invoke the mind.
    3. ancient
      ancient 6 October 2015 15: 31
      +5
      Quote: ram_design
      R-77 missile (RVV-AE)


      So all the same, R-77 or RVV-AE .. you really figure it out .. what's the difference, and therefore start to "press charges" and by the way R-77 or R-77-1? wink
      1. ram_design
        ram_design 6 October 2015 15: 49
        -2
        not essentially write comrade emigrant
        P-77, export name RVV-AE (Air-to-Air Aircraft)

        and here is the normal R-77-1 using components of only Russian production
        but P-77 or P-77-1 effect will be the same for those who are intended

        bring charges ?? God forbid, the land is like that ... the dog barks, the caravan goes
      2. ancient
        ancient 6 October 2015 15: 50
        +7
        Quote: ancient
        So all the same, R-77 or RVV-AE


        So it is clear .. another "stoned uryakalka" .. got into a topic in which .. "not boom-boom", but ... the main thing is to put a minus? wassat
        1. ram_design
          ram_design 6 October 2015 15: 55
          -6
          omniscient woodpecker can you read?
    4. eagle11
      eagle11 6 October 2015 16: 04
      +4
      Well, the Su-27 cannot carry the R-77, nor how. R-77 is not in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces ... yet.
    5. Garris199
      Garris199 6 October 2015 16: 41
      +2
      No R-77 in service with us. The rocket was exported exclusively. In armament will soon be RVV-SD (developed based on the R-77) and RVV-DB. But so far, information about entering the troops has not slipped anywhere.
  38. cte-power
    cte-power 6 October 2015 11: 49
    -1
    How does this clever "messenger" from Mordovia know WHAT EXACTLY is installed on the hangers of the dryers ??? how many clever guys are divorced
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 6 October 2015 15: 23
      +4
      Quote: cte-power
      How does this clever "messenger" from Mordovia know WHAT EXACTLY is installed on the hangers of the dryers ??? how many clever guys are divorced

      The photographs show what kind of missiles the fighter is armed with, especially since the R-27 and R-77 are difficult to confuse.
      1. ancient
        ancient 6 October 2015 15: 53
        +4
        Quote: Bayonet
        The photographs show what kind of missiles the fighter is armed with, especially since the R-27 and R-77 are difficult to confuse.


        Hello Yudruzhe! Moreover, on the first one, in general, the weight and size with "locked rudders and without an engine, but on the second really 77th .. more rudders with" holes "+! drinks
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 6 October 2015 19: 02
          +3
          Quote: ancient
          Moreover, in your first place, in general, the mass and size with "locked rudders

          Hello! God be with him with mass dimensions, most importantly, the main differences are clearly visible. drinks
  39. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 6 October 2015 11: 50
    0
    Quote: Shadows
    And where did you get the idea that such outdated missiles are there? The author of the article must have personally watched the marking of missiles at the base in Syria?

    I also wanted to say - who saw this?
  40. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 6 October 2015 11: 52
    +2
    In such a situation, our Russian fighter can be compared to a mighty warrior with a dull sword in its scabbard
    A hero - he is a hero. It must be assumed that our military leadership had the ability to calculate the sufficient need for arming our aircraft. And other missiles, for sure, are also available. At the moment, this is clear to everyone, even the states.
    US cannot interfere with Russians in Syria, as Russians have closed the sky
    A source in the military circles of the American contingent in Turkey reported that aircraft approaching close to the Russian forces were illuminated by radar, while the source of the light could not be determined.
    “The Russians made it clear that they see everything, and it’s not worth going any closer, otherwise they will bring down.”

    http://krasvremya.ru/ssha-ne-mogut-meshat-russkim-v-sirii-tak-kak-russkie-zakryl

    i-nebo /
    So all the way through.
  41. reut.sib
    reut.sib 6 October 2015 11: 56
    +1
    If you can get into a sparrow from a slingshot, why uncover a gun? "Bulletin of Mordovia", you are not satisfied with the result?
  42. chikenous59
    chikenous59 6 October 2015 11: 57
    -1
    This news is a lure for "Westerners". Easing vigilance;)
  43. semuil
    semuil 6 October 2015 11: 59
    0
    Thank you so much to say to the big-eyed Mr. Katkov? Let him take a pie from the shelf.
  44. Stinger
    Stinger 6 October 2015 12: 02
    0
    the newest Su-30SM patrolling the Syrian sky are armed with outdated missiles

    So what? Everything is logical. The new ones are tested and brought up, and the old ones are disposed of for the good. Or are the media offering to destroy them in Russia?
  45. Dave36
    Dave36 6 October 2015 12: 06
    0
    It is worth adding that our VKS are reliably covered from land and water in the areas of proposed meetings ...
  46. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 6 October 2015 12: 08
    +6
    Well, this is really a long tradition of the Russian army. How RIGHT it looks.
    One of the generals (YYYA), when planning an operation, subordinates "suggest" that the new missiles are "secret", they have special restrictions on use, transportation, etc. and the document contains an entry - "to postpone the use of the xxx product, provide the xx-27 product". Then something happens, by trains, airplanes, deer, overcoming difficulties, incredible tricks, without issuing "all paperwork", "under the personal responsibility" of General DDD, colonels from his calving will organize an urgent delivery of the product xxx where necessary. The situation is getting better, then there is debriefing. The most important general - "On the whole, the operation was successful, the country's leadership was satisfied, but there were some shortcomings - figure it out, report it." The search for flaws begins. It turns out that everything, in principle, went according to the charters and plans, but the xxx products were transported and used in violation of "governing documents and instructions", those responsible (the general of the DDD and the colonels of his department) were punished, demoted, dismissed. General YAYA and his department were awarded for their involvement in planning "an overall successful operation." Everyone else sees it, understands everything and shrugs it off, we see the result.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 6 October 2015 15: 27
      +2
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Then something happens, by trains, airplanes, deer, overcoming difficulties, incredible tricks, without issuing "all paperwork", "under the personal responsibility" of General DDD, colonels from his calving will organize an urgent delivery of the product xxx where necessary.

      "Until the thunder breaks out, the man does not cross himself"
      Traditions - such a thing .... hi
  47. chikenous59
    chikenous59 6 October 2015 12: 08
    0
    Quote: Stinger
    the newest Su-30SM patrolling the Syrian sky are armed with outdated missiles

    So what? Everything is logical. The new ones are tested and brought up, and the old ones are disposed of for the good. Or are the media offering to destroy them in Russia?

    The media talk about the danger that may arise during a military collision of our and non-our aircraft, if you use outdated missiles.
  48. -Bugor-
    -Bugor- 6 October 2015 12: 08
    0
    It’s sad if the missiles are really made in 404. Ukrainians are like Tsar Midas, just the opposite, what not to touch, everything turns into go-no. fellow
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 6 October 2015 13: 00
      +3
      Quote: -Bugor-
      It’s sad if the missiles are really made in 404. Ukrainians are like Tsar Midas, just the opposite, what not to touch, everything turns into go-no.

      Р-27ЭР1 is made by KTRV JSC.
    2. ancient
      ancient 6 October 2015 15: 34
      +3
      Quote: -Bugor-
      Sad if really rockets are made in 404


      Only until 1996 they were received from there ... and now they are suitable only for layouts, well, or weight and dimensions ... you can in UD .. "remake" wink
  49. Kadex
    Kadex 6 October 2015 12: 13
    +4
    Disposal, you say ...
    It is ridiculous when a penny saving (compared to an airplane) leads to its loss.
  50. Serafim-k
    Serafim-k 6 October 2015 12: 15
    0
    As a matter of fact, what is the problem ..? With whom are we going to fight in the air ..? And so, is it worth it to rattle with new weapons to impress?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 6 October 2015 19: 07
      +3
      Quote: Serafim-K
      With whom are we going to fight in the air ..? And so, is it worth it to rattle with new weapons to impress?

      Well, if you think so, then why are there fighters at all? What if, what if? That's why we flew, and so that "suddenly" does not turn out to be fatal, you need to be fully armed! hi
    2. Dense taiga
      Dense taiga 6 December 2015 16: 42
      0
      So the command of the air forces in Syria thought, but in the end we paid for it with the lives of our military and the loss of the plane.