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India still decided to sign contracts for the purchase of Apache and Chinook

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At the end of September, after several years of “tough” talks, the Ministry of Defense of India finally signed an agreement with the US government and Boeing to purchase 22 helicopters AH-64E Apache Guardian and 15 CH-47F Chinook helicopters. The total value of contracts amounted to about $ 3 billion, the blog reports bmpd with reference to Jane's Defense Weekly.




"The contracts were signed under a complex" mixed "scheme involving the purchase of AN-64E combat helicopters directly from Boeing Corporation through the" Direct Commercial Sales "(DCS), and weapons, equipment, spare parts and property to them Government under the agreements in the area of ​​Foreign Military Sales (FMS) ", - writes the publication.

According to the publication, the US government pledged to put "12 Radar AN / APG-76 Longbow, 812 guided missiles AGM-114L-3 Longbow Hellfire and 542 GM-114R-3 Hellfire II, and also 242 FIM-92XXXXXXX missiles. air-to-air option. " In addition, the government line also provides for the training of the Indian Air Force.

Under the terms of the DCS agreement, 30% of its value will be invested in Indian enterprises involved in the execution of the contract as subcontractors. They will produce pylons and stern cargo ramps for Chinook helicopters. One such enterprise will be Dynamatics Technologies in Bangalore.
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  1. Limon1972
    Limon1972 5 October 2015 11: 59
    +6
    What the hell, why didn’t they take ours? Why do they need such a hodgepodge from around the world ...
    1. Turbo rabbit
      Turbo rabbit 5 October 2015 12: 01
      11
      They have the toughest carpet wrestling in the Ministry of Defense. They can consider contracts for 10 years.
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 5 October 2015 12: 03
        +7
        The multi-vector tenacity. Hindus are always traded to the last. Like the Chinese. If the Americans from the custodians do not take an example, they will receive their helicopters. Raising the price after signing a contract for Western companies is not a problem.
      2. Baikonur
        Baikonur 5 October 2015 12: 24
        +2
        Quote: Turbo-Rabbit
        They have the toughest carpet wrestling in the Ministry of Defense. They can consider contracts for 10 years.

        Corruption!
        Like everyone!
    2. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 5 October 2015 12: 01
      +1
      Apparently he was made an offer which they could not refuse ... Maybe they threatened, asked, begged in the end ... well, who doesn’t melt here)))
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 5 October 2015 12: 09
        13
        Quote: Limon1972
        Why didn’t they take ours?
        "The reasons for abandoning the Mi-28 helicopter were technical in nature. According to our experts, the Mi-28N does not meet the requirements of the tender for 20 points, unlike the Apache helicopter, which showed the best characteristics," RIA Novosti quotes the words of its interlocutor from arms procurement commission.
      2. Hon
        Hon 5 October 2015 17: 09
        +2
        Quote: Air Force Captain
        Apparently he made an offer which they could not refuse ...

        India is not in a position where conditions can be imposed on it.
    3. Pavel Vereshchagin
      Pavel Vereshchagin 5 October 2015 12: 05
      +6
      It is a pity that they did not buy such beauties.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 5 October 2015 12: 33
        +4
        A colleague said that when a couple of "crocodiles" entered their convoy in Tajikistan (it was in the 90s) by mistake, he already thought they were crazy. The gorge, there is nowhere to run, since the leader of the column managed to reach the command by communication, but the turntables did not go into the attack on the move, but from a turn. It turned out that someone confused and gave a tip that the militants were coming, and not a mixed column of our troops. It was very untidy, he says, and it is immediately clear that the flyers see through the entire column, you can hide yourself.
        1. insafufa
          insafufa 5 October 2015 13: 13
          +3
          Quote: inkass_98
          A colleague said that when a couple of "crocodiles" entered their convoy in Tajikistan (it was in the 90s) by mistake, he already thought they were crazy. The gorge, there is nowhere to run, since the leader of the column managed to reach the command by communication, but the turntables did not go into the attack on the move, but from a turn. It turned out that someone confused and gave a tip that the militants were coming, and not a mixed column of our troops. It was very untidy, he says, and it is immediately clear that the flyers see through the entire column, you can hide yourself.


          In 2001, a couple of such MI-24s treated us with lead and iron, then I almost regretted that without diapers
          The feeling is not pleasant. It’s good that they didn’t have any guns left on the way back. Well, this was enough for pleasure, it’s good that no one was hurt. It turned out that the gunners from the Airborne Forces were turning the turntables on us so hotly we wanted these eyes to stick out our eyes too and tried to turn off the attack when our radio operator covered them with a three-story colorful mat so the guys turned right away then the radio operator began to swear in Tatar in Russian. laughing
          1. Manul
            Manul 5 October 2015 17: 11
            +1
            Quote: insafufa
            turned off when our radio operator live on a three-story colorful mat covered them so the guys immediately turned off then the radio operator began in Russian and finished swearing them in Tatar.

            Best password laughing And other evidence is not required that its on air.
        2. Asadullah
          Asadullah 5 October 2015 17: 13
          +1
          a pair of "crocodiles" came to attack,


          Yeah, in Afghanistan, getting into friendly fire in local operations is a trifling matter. And I remember how from the ridge we watched the battle at Khost. The kishlak stormed with a tsaranda, but they were pressed by machine-gun fire along the road, they could not rise. And our turntables flew in, we huddled in stones, were afraid to move, and watched a movie. What kind of movie is there, this can only be dreamed of. Then they lay until dark, hell knows who they have there on target designation, and to us from the path neither to the right nor to the left, only up. Tweet that a group of bearded on the move and damn it. Crocodiles sometimes returned to bases with such damage that they were given a diva. Which Ah can stand such?
      2. Afinogen
        Afinogen 5 October 2015 12: 49
        +2
        Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
        It is a pity that they did not buy such beauties.



        Now other beauties. The truth is not clear why the new "crocodile" wings were clipped.
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 5 October 2015 14: 07
        +1
        Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
        It is a pity that they did not buy such beauties.

        Such handsome men will not be bought, whatever one may say, but the Mi-24 is already a veteran, but the Alligators and the Mi-28 could well.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 October 2015 12: 08
      +4
      Quote: Limon1972
      Why didn’t they take ours?

      Do you have enough contracts? What they wanted and bought, master barin.
    5. Juborg
      Juborg 5 October 2015 12: 22
      -5
      Our campaign did not even allow the Indians to make ramps.
    6. Juborg
      Juborg 5 October 2015 12: 27
      -2
      And where is the tender, where is the bidding? Apparently the goods were handed over without the right of refusal, it’s not France, you don’t want to, we’ll make it.
    7. Conductor
      Conductor 5 October 2015 12: 39
      +7
      Well, if you wanted to take the best, then why should they use the Mi-28? Helicopters are approximately equal in capabilities and characteristics, but:
      1) On the Mi-28N, more than 70% of the electrical components were developed 20 or more years ago.
      2) There are no radars on the Mi-28
      3) Mi-28 gun is less accurate than Apache
      4) The American helicopter has a large specific power
      5) Experience in combat use
      By the way, the Mi-28 is losing tenders for the first time ...
    8. donavi49
      donavi49 5 October 2015 12: 43
      +6
      Mi-28NE - they were not satisfied with a bunch of points, starting from the fact that there is no dual control, ending with the lack of examples of the use of a bunch of radar + guided missile. At the time of the tender. Moreover, they take Apache from the most advanced radar station (even better than that of staffers in units) - there are application methods, application history and well-proven Helfaires. Unlike the Attack, which with a creak goes to the sky and the promised new-old Whirlwind since 2013 of the year.

      Chinook seems to be better in the mountains than Mi-26T. Plus, Mi-26Т2 loading may have also affected, since Algeria has staked out a place before.
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    10. Mera joota
      Mera joota 5 October 2015 12: 44
      +5
      Quote: Limon1972
      Why do they need such a hodgepodge from around the world ...

      Well, as if they always had a hodgepodge, that’s not to scare them. But the trend is toward the United States becoming the main supplier of Indian forces. No one in the world has such a wide range of modern weapons, only the United States.
    11. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 5 October 2015 13: 33
      +1
      Quote: Limon1972
      What the hell, why didn’t they take ours? Why do they need such a hodgepodge from around the world ...

      Apparently they didn’t want to wait several years for the delivery line, now the Ka-52, if I am not mistaken, is collecting 2 helicopters per month for the needs of Russia.
      1. Hon
        Hon 5 October 2015 17: 13
        +1
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        Apparently they didn’t want to wait several years for the delivery line, now the Ka-52, if I am not mistaken, is collecting 2 helicopters per month for the needs of Russia.

        just ours replaced ka-52 with mi-28 in the tender. eventually broke off
    12. RUSS
      RUSS 5 October 2015 14: 04
      0
      Quote: Limon1972
      What the hell, why didn’t they take ours? Why do they need such a hodgepodge from around the world ...


      India acquired good cars, you can be happy for them.
    13. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 5 October 2015 14: 36
      +3
      Dear colleague Dmitry, pay attention to the content of the article.

      Under the terms of the DCS agreement, 30% of its value will be invested in Indian enterprises involved in the execution of the contract as subcontractors. They will produce pylons and stern cargo ramps for Chinook helicopters. One such enterprise will be Dynamatics Technologies in Bangalore.


      If you will, a little from myself. Currently, the basic principle of purchasing high-tech products is technology transfer. This is the main problem of our manufacturers. (Now I will call a flurry of criticism). How not cool We are in certain areas of engineering, we are dependent on those technologies that we could not develop in the USSR. The same software, and to a greater extent the manufacture of software elements. To some extent, we are losing on the arms market because of this.
      I want to warn the "urya-patriots" right away, I am not going to humiliate our "mechanical engineering" in any way, but we have unique developments, some mass-produced, which have no analogues in the world. But to be honest, unfortunately in EVERY of them there are elements that we do not produce.

      This is my opinion, which does not set out to humiliate the ouri patriots! hi But still, can develop their own, and not DAM's and others like them? winked winked winked hi
    14. avia1991
      avia1991 5 October 2015 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: Limon1972
      Why do they need such a hodgepodge from around the world ...

      And for me - a competent approach. They are somewhat reminiscent of the Chinese .. they rake in technology, ensure guaranteed supplies of weapons, regardless of the political situation and the state of relations with suppliers. We call it "diversification of supplies", nothing new request
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 5 October 2015 11: 59
    +1
    In vain Indians, oh in vain ... "toys" are beautiful and expensive, but the staff will cheat you!
    1. Longmire
      Longmire 5 October 2015 12: 44
      +2
      Russia fulfilled all the latest arms contracts late, and that’s the result.
    2. Hon
      Hon 5 October 2015 17: 14
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      In vain Indians, oh in vain ... "toys" are beautiful and expensive, but the staff will cheat you!

      but why is it that they should be swept around?
  3. kil 31
    kil 31 5 October 2015 12: 00
    +4
    If according to such a complex scheme, then the Indians pushed their desires, and the striped sagged.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 5 October 2015 12: 11
      +9
      Quote: Kil 31
      If according to such a complex scheme, then the Indians pushed their desires, and the striped sagged.

      It seems the opposite was the Yankees selling, the Indians can bargain indefinitely for each rupee or dollar.
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 5 October 2015 12: 44
        +1
        Quote: vovanpain
        Under the terms of the DCS agreement, 30% of its value will be invested in Indian enterprises involved in the execution of the contract as subcontractors. They will produce pylons and stern cargo ramps for Chinook helicopters. One such enterprise will be Dynamatics Technologies in Bangalore.

        Under the terms of the DCS agreement, 30% of its value will be invested in Indian enterprises involved in the execution of the contract as subcontractors. They will produce pylons and stern cargo ramps for Chinook helicopters. One such enterprise will be Dynamatics Technologies in Bangalore. So still sagged striped. hi
  4. veksha50
    veksha50 5 October 2015 12: 10
    +2
    Honestly, Indians never cease to amaze ...

    They buy a lot, but only too different equipment-armaments and suppliers ... On the one hand, they don’t seem to want to depend on one supplier ... And on the other, because of these purchases-contracts of military equipment a whole soap opera turns out .. .

    Well, Shiva to help them ...
  5. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 5 October 2015 12: 13
    -2
    After our operation in Syria, everyone will line up for our equipment.
    Unfortunately, our media focused on the actions of aircraft, and helicopters are not covered.
  6. fairmen
    fairmen 5 October 2015 12: 13
    +1
    It's time to send heels KA-50 and KA-52 to Syria to support infantry from the air
    1. reut.sib
      reut.sib 5 October 2015 12: 27
      +4
      YOU will fly? I would not risk specialists.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 5 October 2015 12: 38
      +6
      Ka-50 no longer fly.

      Ka-52 can only use NARs and Bombs in the current person (there are no guided missiles and cannot in the current admission to operation). It is somehow dangerous to storm the contaminated MZA circuit with NARs. While bombing with 3000-5000 meters without any risks, what is better to do with airplanes.
      1. reut.sib
        reut.sib 5 October 2015 14: 41
        0
        I also meant that it is safer from the plane.
  7. Mercenary
    Mercenary 5 October 2015 12: 16
    -3
    Turban in your brain! Your money and your will. Only when GOD wants to punish does He take away the mind.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 5 October 2015 12: 27
      +1
      Quote: Mercenary
      Only when GOD wants to punish does He take away the mind.

      and this, sorry, why?
      1. Mercenary
        Mercenary 6 October 2015 15: 33
        0
        Besides, it has long been known that the MI-28 and the Alligator are better, more powerful, more reliable and more armored than the Apache.
  8. Das Boot
    Das Boot 5 October 2015 12: 19
    +2
    a strange thing, all this is chewed on the site many times "Why not here?", "Why the Idus? ...", "Traitors ..." and so on. reminded me
  9. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 5 October 2015 12: 32
    +2
    It's one thing to buy, another thing is maintenance and spare parts - the Yankees will strip them like sticky
  10. Orlenok ILLI4A
    Orlenok ILLI4A 5 October 2015 12: 32
    -1
    Naive, as I understand it, is diversification.
  11. satelit24
    satelit24 5 October 2015 12: 38
    +3
    Each has his own, Serdyukov is! recourse
  12. flSergius
    flSergius 5 October 2015 12: 44
    -1
    There is clearly a paid lobbyist in the Indian ministry - well, who in 2015 will buy this flying scrap from the 1980s in their right mind? In the ka-50, one cannon is superior to the Apache one, like a Kalashnikov Singer machine.
    1. Hon
      Hon 5 October 2015 17: 18
      0
      Ka-50 is not from the eighties? By the way, they didn’t put him up for competition, but the Mi-28 failed
  13. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 5 October 2015 12: 46
    +1
    Quote: veksha50
    Honestly, Indians never cease to amaze ...

    They buy a lot, but only too different equipment-armaments and suppliers ... On the one hand, they don’t seem to want to depend on one supplier ... And on the other, because of these purchases-contracts of military equipment a whole soap opera turns out .. .

    Well, Shiva to help them ...

    I also think so ... In total, they are gaining in a bunch, the Chinese are trying to create their own at least! And the Indians are mistreating the equipment, I think ... hi
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 5 October 2015 13: 35
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      the Chinese are at least copying their own trying to create

      Well so not from a good life. The embargo is valid. On the other hand, it made the Chinese move the gyrus that, with their resources (both material and human), China will undoubtedly lead China. And the Hindus, of course, are corrupted by the easy availability of almost all types of weapons, which can be used ... Why invent if you can buy ...
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 5 October 2015 13: 43
        0
        Quote: Mera Joota
        The embargo is valid.

        what embargo?
    2. Das Boot
      Das Boot 5 October 2015 13: 35
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And the Indians mistreat technology

      no dumber than us, no need to drive. In general, I notice: some for some reason believe that the Untermensch surround Russia.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 5 October 2015 13: 54
        +1
        Quote: Das Boot
        Quote: MIKHAN
        And the Indians mistreat technology

        no dumber than us, no need to drive. In general, I notice: some for some reason believe that the Untermensch surround Russia.

        I don’t drive ... It's just that India with its population (mostly poor and populous) is too "luxurious" with such purchases .. Against whom? If China, then they will roll them out (which, in principle, the United States is seeking) .. And judging by their attitude to hygiene ... then the same attitude to expensive and complex technology ... hi
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 5 October 2015 14: 52
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          It's just that India, with its population (mostly poor and populous), is too "gorgeous" with such purchases.

          Quote: MIKHAN
          .And judging by their attitude to hygiene..to the expensive and complicated technique, the same attitude ...

          nda ... about hygiene killed. Regional knowledge at the height. About yogis and cinema, what did not remember?
        2. Hon
          Hon 5 October 2015 17: 24
          +2
          Quote: MIKHAN
          I don’t drive ... It's just that India with its population (mostly poor and populous) is too "luxurious" with such purchases .. Against whom? If China, then they will roll them out (which, in principle, the United States is seeking) .. And judging by their attitude to hygiene ... then the same attitude to expensive and complex technology ...

          On a budget, India is ahead of the Russian Federation, and the state of the economy in India is better. As for the badges with China, their last conflict was conditionally a military draw, China even had a bigger ogreb. In fact, they have equal opportunities, two large armies, comparable human resources, both countries are rich, both are actively rearming. India still has a rival, Pakistan, but this rival India will roll out a nut.
  14. flSergius
    flSergius 5 October 2015 13: 10
    +2
    Ahahaha! All minus one minus Carl! This is a terrible revenge of the ukrobot for the innocently killed caliphate military and the ISDA announced yesterday ukrodefolt laughing
  15. abc_alex
    abc_alex 5 October 2015 14: 14
    0
    Quote: donavi49
    Ka-52 can only use NARs and Bombs in the current person (there are no guided missiles and cannot in the current admission to operation). It is somehow dangerous to storm the contaminated MZA circuit with NARs. While bombing with 3000-5000 meters without any risks, what is better to do with airplanes.


    Well, okay then. Initially, it has a "Whirlwind" on it. Now they are mounting "Attack" on it. The latter has fresh air-based modifications with a range of up to 10 km.
  16. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 5 October 2015 16: 43
    +1
    Quote: Das Boot
    nda ... about hygiene killed. Regional knowledge at the height. About yogis and cinema, what did not remember?

    There was not honestly ... But I am interested! Cows and monkeys run around the streets and they must not be touched ... (no need to get me ..)
  17. Old26
    Old26 5 October 2015 17: 33
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Against who? If China, then roll them out

    And Pakistan no longer exists as a country?
  18. Cornet77
    Cornet77 6 October 2015 07: 01
    +1
    Haha three times. Here the Apache Indians will buy it, and in the case of the next big sheer against Pakistan, the Pakistanis will be knocking them down from the ancient fusi in vain (like the Iraqis during the 2003 war).
  19. Old26
    Old26 6 October 2015 09: 15
    0
    Quote: Cornet77
    Haha three times. Here the Apache Indians will buy it, and in the case of the next big sheer against Pakistan, the Pakistanis will be knocking them down from the ancient fusi in vain (like the Iraqis during the 2003 war).


    Exactly the same as from the same ancient fusi, the same Pakistanis could knock down our MI-28. This is not an argument. Such arguments do except in toddlers in a children's sandbox.

    It's just that many writers have a feeling of resentment. How is it, they did not buy from us, but bought from the Americans. So there were reasons. As someone wrote above, for some points MI-28 did not satisfy the conditions of the tender.

    It’s worth forgetting the times when "out of friendship" neighbors took only from us. And in recent years, we often become not very reliable suppliers. Remember the MIG contract for Algeria when rusted parts were found in EMNIP machines. Plus, we do not always execute contracts on time (for the same aircraft carrier). And the buyer pays attention to everything.

    If you, for example, buy a cool car, and in one salon you are told that everything is fine, everything is fine, we will give you a discount, but there are two small roughnesses. You will receive the car only after 2 months and every time you will need to do it in Moscow. And you live, for example, in the Stavropol Territory or Krasnodar.
    In another salon, you will be offered a slightly less cool car, but there are no discounts such as in the first salon, they are less, but you will receive the car immediately after payment. And then here in the sales center will be held. What do you choose? The first or second option. And so are the Indians. Most likely we did not offer them conditions such as the Americans. For production, and for service, for sure