NI: the outdated appearance of the Su-24 - a deceptive thing

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The Su-24 variable sweep bomber is a proven combat vehicle capable of providing the Russian air group in Syria with the effectiveness of long-range strike operations, according to an article published in National Interest magazine. Article translation leads RIA News.



“In some respects, the Su-24 (according to NATO’s Fencer codification,“ Fencer ”) may even be more useful for carrying out operations than the multi-purpose fighter-bomber Su-34 that attracts everyone’s attention,” the author writes.

He notes that "despite the outdated design of the Su-24 (this aircraft was developed back in the 1960-ies), Russia has modernized the fleet of these bombers and equipped them with modern systems."

“Thus, the upgraded Su-24 has a glass cockpit, GLONASS satellite navigation systems, instrument display systems on the windshield and air-to-air self-defense. On board the aircraft can be guided missiles of air-to-air class of short-range P-73. In addition, a bomber can carry high-precision guided munitions ", - the author reports.

According to the magazine, "the maximum combat load of the aircraft is 7500 kg, the combat radius of the Su-24 is 560 km, and the latest modifications are equipped with an air refueling system." The aircraft is capable of striking targets at low altitudes.

Moreover, in Syria, Su-24 can be used for reconnaissance operations.

Su-24 per day can rise to 30 times, “however, it is not known how many pilots who can control these machines are at the air base in Lattakia and how technical support is provided for the aircraft,” the author notes.

According to the magazine, these aircraft "will be replaced in the future by the Su-34, but Russian bombers with half a century history still represent an effective means for hitting targets that are at a long distance from the air base in Latakia ".
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  1. +109
    4 October 2015 11: 02
    The old horse does not spoil the furrow
    1. +64
      4 October 2015 11: 06
      Although the model is old, but modernized. In Syria, just need a proven "workhorse". At the same time, and Su-34 extra points to the reputation will earn extra money.
      1. +22
        4 October 2015 11: 10
        Quote: oleg-gr
        modernized.

        I like the phrase "brought to mind" or "completed" more.
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        2. +34
          4 October 2015 11: 32
          Has become more perfect
          1. +11
            4 October 2015 12: 08
            Quote: hrych
            Has become more perfect



            By the way, the fact that this "Army of Islam" declared war on Russia - consider that the United States achieved one of its goals ... To redirect the vector from itself, loved ones, to the Russian side ...
            1. +52
              4 October 2015 12: 24
              ISIS declared war on the United States, France, Egypt, Turkey, Israel, ... even Japan, as well as Al Qaeda and the Taliban, but only Russia decided to bang it.
              1. +31
                4 October 2015 12: 30
                Su-24MR in a jubilee color.
                1. +10
                  4 October 2015 13: 26
                  Quote: Figwam
                  Su-24MR in a jubilee color.

                  The red-headed Guardsman is not for you the Khuhr of the Muhra - this is the northern fur-bearing animal to the adversary
                  1. +4
                    5 October 2015 18: 03
                    One word - a time-tested workhorse - performs the task

                    In general, I could not believe that Russia would come realistically — with its own help to help — I thought that the Syrians and Iranians would fight with the hezbollah there, and Russia and China would only cover up at the UN and supply supplies

                    Probably now in Iran and at the IRGC with Hezbollah a holiday - the Russian Federation was identified openly and extended a hand to friends
                2. 0
                  5 October 2015 09: 30
                  handsome !!!! I have no words......
                3. 0
                  5 October 2015 09: 30
                  handsome !!!! I have no words......
              2. +8
                4 October 2015 12: 45
                Quote: hrych
                but only Russia decided to bang him.



                A Russian warrior will not offend a child ... But he will destroy an enemy ...


                Apparently, neither the states nor the IG took this factor into account ...
            2. +3
              4 October 2015 13: 11
              And these bloodthirsty earcaps were created against us.
          2. +66
            4 October 2015 14: 58
            He declared war yesterday ... and interesting news has already arrived today - the leader of the Jaish al-Islam group, Sheikh Zahran Allush, has been eliminated.
            1. +12
              4 October 2015 15: 16
              Quote: hrych
              He declared war yesterday ... and interesting news has already arrived today - the leader of the Jaish al-Islam group, Sheikh Zahran Allush, has been eliminated.

              It’s not the protection of Allush. This was killed more than a year ago during the assault on the Aleppo prison complex. There are even shots of his death. I don’t remember exactly the Dagestan, or the Chechen, but he planted the Syrian army heavily, mostly taking weapons depots.
              1. +1
                5 October 2015 10: 10
                But he planted the Syrian army heavily, mostly taking weapons depots.
                You might have wanted to say annoyed?
              2. +4
                5 October 2015 22: 09
                This feces is certainly not taken. And he was also depressed after he challenged who should not have done this. Yes, and Allush is unlikely to have such a charming hrypalnik; rather, he generally does not have a face even a dull one, a piece of smoked pork like Shamilka ...
            2. +1
              4 October 2015 15: 55
              Quote: hrych
              He declared war yesterday ... and today interesting news has come



              Let others think about how to declare war on Russia ...

              PS Do without an ice ax ???
            3. +3
              4 October 2015 20: 31
              Yes, he was depressed in a good way.
            4. +2
              5 October 2015 22: 09
              sorry man, he would live and live but killed by electricity (the battery fell on his head)
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      2. +6
        4 October 2015 12: 41
        The main thing is not "age", but the results of the work that this aircraft shows in particular in Syria. I don't understand what the American pilots have been doing there so far? The semblance of fighting terrorists? ..
        1. +7
          4 October 2015 13: 12
          Armed under the guise of ISIS.
        2. +7
          4 October 2015 14: 41
          we called such an occupation "working in the IDB mode" - imitation of violent activity. Well, they also earned some bonuses ...
    2. +6
      4 October 2015 11: 06
      In-in. And the technology is always being modernized.
      Moreover, the Russian Federation has other cars.
      1. avt
        +17
        4 October 2015 11: 36
        Quote: Infinity
        Moreover, the Russian Federation has other cars.

        There is no such class. The lighter ones were the Su-17 and MiG-27, they stupidly rotted away in storage. "It's a pity! It would be quite possible to transfer them to the Syrians, well, at least the MiG-27, which the Indians still use under the Indian name. Bakhatur ". smile
        Quote: Infinity
        And the technology is always being modernized.

        In principle, the modernization of the Su-24 is successful, and the car is strict, but it has served itself faithfully, this airplane is attractive to me - it is so ... classic and original at the same time. However, the airframe resource is not eternal and it cannot be infinitely upgraded, well, the equipment wears out. One thing is good - they saved the Su-90 in the 34s! Yes, and now they are making a series. good
      2. +6
        4 October 2015 12: 27
        Yeah, they are with us, they were made 50 years in advance laughing
    3. +48
      4 October 2015 11: 10
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow

      What howl begins and not in vain ....
      In the United States, a poorly concealed panic began - they do not see Russian fighters.

      From the word at all. This is the only explanation for all the nonsense that the media carry in response to the question of how Russian fighters ended up in Syria. And if NATO’s military radars in Turkey and Bulgaria did not see their flight, then it means that all the air-to-air system emails do not see them either. And that’s all. ALL! The United States does not have fighter aircraft. Also from the word at all. And I understand how this is possible. If not ... then this could have been done already in the late 80s.

      http://kanchukov-sa.livejournal.com/5475649.html

      I remember "Cook" in the Black Sea ...)))))
      1. +2
        4 October 2015 11: 32
        And what does "Cook" have to do with it. The picture is not a Su-24?
        1. +3
          5 October 2015 01: 19
          This refers to the use of electronic warfare systems. The "Admiral Kuk" was then triggered by the "Khibiny" system and escorted by the "Bastion" complex. And since there were "misunderstandings" - the ship is on combat, there is no communication, the alarm is the same "in an adult way" ... Who is smart - remembered the "Caribbean crisis". Posony and got nervous.
          And the "invisibility", which is understandable only for the radar, is probably provided by the "Kangaroo" system ... They brought it to mind all the same, bastards. ;-) We've been talking about it for a long time.
      2. +15
        4 October 2015 11: 33
        Su-24 per day can rise up to 30 times

        Well, this will sunk, so it will !!! smile
        1. +9
          4 October 2015 11: 47
          Here is a link to a very interesting map (satellite), with the applied (updated) points processed by our VKS:

          https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z4PF1SFiMPjQ.kFa_qMMdFl48
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      3. +5
        4 October 2015 11: 57
        Quote: MIKHAN
        What howl begins and not in vain ....


        This, of course, is all pleasing to our ear and eye, but I hope who needs good

        understand that first of all, this howl raises the American military-industrial complex through its people

        in the Pentagon
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    4. gjv
      +6
      4 October 2015 11: 54
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow

      Yes. However, it is good that the second part of the saying does not work here.
      Plows deep enough ...
    5. wk
      -9
      4 October 2015 13: 28
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow

      but a new one will not be plowed!
      1. +3
        4 October 2015 18: 51
        this one is plowing, already plowing, god forbid
    6. +4
      4 October 2015 14: 38
      and plows as deep as the young ones)))
    7. +9
      4 October 2015 14: 55
      Well, by the way, the A-10 is also never new, I don’t like Americans, but I can’t but admit that Borodovachnik and Su-24 are very successful aircraft. It is not in vain that they are still being upgraded, extended their operation and used, and very successfully.
      1. +2
        5 October 2015 19: 06
        I agree about the "warthog", but I would compare it with the Su-25. And the Su-25 is more pleasing to the eye.
        1. 0
          6 October 2015 12: 41
          A-10 is very good, analogue of our SU-25
    8. +5
      4 October 2015 15: 42
      The remains of the heritage of the Great USSR will still serve the glory of Russia!
    9. +1
      4 October 2015 20: 30
      Here is such a reserve of modernization laid in Soviet weapons !!!
    10. +2
      4 October 2015 23: 23
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow

      I even remembered - "old but not useless")))
    11. 0
      5 October 2015 15: 34
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow

      ... but will not plow deeply ...
    12. 0
      5 October 2015 17: 27
      even if the good old Su in the "M" modification will work out RBC, it is unlikely that something alive will survive in an open area, or the X-23 will take a protected target over an air defense umbrella from a distance of 9 km!
    13. +1
      6 October 2015 01: 42
      I don’t understand what these cries of the bourgeoisie about the fact that the SU-24 is old, let it be written about the F-16, it’s generally the same age as our Drying !!!
    14. 0
      6 October 2015 08: 12
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow
      but doesn’t plow even deeper, but lies in a furrow and sleeps.))
    15. 0
      7 October 2015 00: 49
      But it will not plow deeply!
      An urgent need to change the fleet, because after Syria we can expect a more serious enemy than ISIS!
  2. +10
    4 October 2015 11: 03
    Another evidence that the cover is not judged, the main thing is the filling.
    1. 0
      4 October 2015 11: 25
      Sorry, but in general they are greeted by clothes, but escorted by the mind. Which by the way, these modernized machines proved.
      1. +1
        4 October 2015 12: 11
        Quote: captain
        Sorry, but in general they are met by clothes, and see off the mind. Which by the way, these modernized machines proved.


        In this case - carried out upon...
    2. +52
      4 October 2015 12: 04
      Once again, I regret that the Professor and others like him disappeared. Whatever one may do, but the main events unfold next to them, and the Professor, together "with his beloved computer", likes to speculate about the capabilities of our technology, and here it is, in combat use, but quietly, how ????
      "Twenty-four" has not worked out its resource, it seems to me correct to use it to perform tasks in the fight against ISIS, and I consider the modernization of outdated weapons with adaptation to new types of ammunition, and giving them new capabilities, the right step.
      It is foolish to lay out all your trump cards at once, our brand new "armored trains, let them stand on the side tracks for now" lol more "friendly neighbors" and just grabbers around us are simply immeasurable.
      I also want to ask those who know to comment on this ... I read it yesterday:
      On the night of October 1 to 2, six Russian Su-30SM fighters intercepted four Israeli McDonnell Douglas F-15s. The Israeli Air Force flight plan was to go through Lebanon to Syria and continue along the coast to Latakia (goals and objectives remained unclear). After that As the Russian Su-30s were lifted into the sky, as F-15 pilots were notified, Israeli fighters turned sharply south and at high speed (apparently the afterburner) flew back over Lebanon. This incident shocked the Israeli military command . Israel believes that in the event of an F-15 military clash with the Russian Su-30SM, this would lead to the loss of all 4 Israeli air force fighters. The Israeli command tried to object to the Russian air forces, but after the question of why the Israeli air forces were in the sky of Syria, they quickly fell silent. The Lebanese army reported that at 23 hours 13 minutes Israeli Air Force planes crossed the border of Lebanese airspace in the direction of Syria.
      1. +17
        4 October 2015 12: 29
        Quote: CONNECTING ROD VDVshny
        that Professor was gone


        Oh well ... He's not gone anywhere, in the next branch about GLONASS, as usual, "trolls"! wassat laughing
        1. +18
          4 October 2015 12: 39
          Judging by the minus, he read you laughing wassat
      2. +11
        4 October 2015 12: 36
        No, I didn’t disappear at a neighboring story in Syria. Reptiles like missed, bombs by. Although he was noted on the first day of the operation of our pilots, the tone of comments of this troll has not changed and will be crap. Such is nature
        1. +2
          5 October 2015 11: 52
          Born to crap can not praise ...
      3. +3
        4 October 2015 12: 38
        Quote: CONNECTING ROD VDVshny
        disappeared Professor

        Yes, they do not write "pale blue with a star" in such topics, what are you talking about ?!
      4. +23
        4 October 2015 12: 44
        There was such a thing. Moreover, our planes entered the "combat mode" as the Israeli pilots said. Most likely, from old memory, they wanted to bomb Assad, but now, as they say, our no-fly zone is being organized over Syria. cracks.
  3. 0
    4 October 2015 11: 06
    Still, his nose is prettier than the SU-34 Yes
    1. +25
      4 October 2015 11: 11
      Quote: kraz
      Still, his nose is prettier than the SU-34 Yes

      And I like the "duck" more laughing As they say: taste and color ... smile
      1. +16
        4 October 2015 11: 20
        Quote: Rader
        And I like the "duck" more As they say: the taste and color ...

        A duckling can fly across the sky for five hours, and there are sartirs where you can wet the borach. He would have come up with a bomb refueling
        1. +6
          4 October 2015 11: 42
          Quote: Tusv
          Quote: Rader
          And I like the "duck" more As they say: the taste and color ...

          A duckling can fly for five hours across the sky and sartir iswhere you can wet the borach. He would have come up with a bomb refueling

          You forgot to say about the microwave laughing
          1. +7
            4 October 2015 12: 27
            Quote: Rader
            You forgot to say about the microwave

            By the way, also an important detail laughing
            I forgot to say that these psissy carry
            Quote: M. Bulgakov through the mouth of a Hippopotamus
            not nonsense, but a string of densely packed syllogisms

            FAB-500 and PETAB-500. StarThe West is in shock
            1. avt
              +5
              4 October 2015 13: 07
              Quote: Tusv
              I forgot to say that these psissy carry

              Quote: Tusv
              FAB-500 and PETAB-500. StarWhock in shock

              Here is someone from the West and minus awarded in spite for pissed shorts laughing But in fairness, for the sake of Su-24, they were feared as a carrier of tactical nuclear weapons, which was perfectly imprisoned for use on a European theater of operations.
          2. gjv
            +3
            4 October 2015 20: 14
            Quote: Rader
            You forgot to say about the microwave

            Wave - Exotic. Mostly so ...
          3. +2
            5 October 2015 10: 06
            Quote: Rader
            You forgot to say about the microwave

            laughing what for she in a cabin to him? a microwave there in the nose and not only built-in, but grub in banks with self-heating))
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        3. gjv
          +20
          4 October 2015 12: 32
          Quote: Tusv
          and there is a sartir, where you can wet the borach

          Sartir, sorry, this is when for boys and for girls. But there it’s still quite specific ...

          Here, use it for its intended purpose, and then throw it on top of the bearded man, even if they wash ...
          1. +1
            4 October 2015 18: 55
            no, I heard a full pot there. so there will be a real BONBA!
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            2. gjv
              +5
              4 October 2015 20: 24
              Quote: Dudinets
              no, I heard a full pot there. so there will be a real BONBA!

              Dmitry, here's a "place for reflection" on the Tu-95. I heard about him. But the Tu-95 is not yet "visiting" in Syria.

              But IL-476 may be visiting Latakia. It’s necessary to deliver ...
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            4. +1
              5 October 2015 09: 52
              Yes, bonba - volumetric flow around! And it is better from the pigsty in the tank and pour it on the head. I hope this is not prohibited by convention.
              1. 0
                5 October 2015 11: 56
                From the pigsty !? Yes, this is an inhuman weapon !!! Already at least from the barn ...
          2. 0
            5 October 2015 12: 19
            And what if you bomb this full tank from the top?
      2. 0
        4 October 2015 11: 21
        Quote: Rader
        And I like the "duck" more

        laughing laughing laughing
      3. +4
        4 October 2015 12: 12
        Quote: Rader
        Rader Today, 11:11 ↑ New
        Quote: kraz
        Still, his nose is prettier,than the SU-34
        And I like the "duck" more As they say: to taste and color..



        Noses and color will be measured, or the effectiveness of combat use ??? !!!
        1. +3
          4 October 2015 13: 48
          Quote: veksha50
          Quote: Rader
          Rader Today, 11:11 ↑ New
          Quote: kraz
          Still, his nose is prettier,than the SU-34
          And I like the "duck" more As they say: to taste and color..



          Noses and color will be measured, or the effectiveness of combat use ??? !!!


          Naturally in color! (Because If you measure your noses, I will go around 34 and 24) wassat Well, as you noticed, in my commentary I touched only on the aesthetic qualities of Su 34 and Su 24. And the effectiveness of combat use is a completely different story, and operate on this indicator without accurate information about the number of sorties, their results, etc. I consider unauthorized hi
          1. +2
            4 October 2015 15: 00
            Quote: Rader
            If you measure your noses, then I will go around 34 and 24)



            I probably won’t leave me alone ...

            However, he considered himself competent to express his point of view ... We are talking about the effectiveness of aircraft and their combat use ... And which one is more beautiful ??? I like ALL Soviet and Russian aircraft, absolutely ...

            We joked - we parted ... hi
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          3. gjv
            +1
            4 October 2015 20: 34
            Quote: Rader
            the effectiveness of combat use is a completely different story, and operate on this indicator without accurate information on the number of sorties, their results, etc. I consider unauthorized

            The application is polite.

            In the evening and at night, as a result of 6 sorties from the KhMEIMIM air base, targeted attacks were carried out on 3 objects of terrorist infrastructure.
            A precision strike of the BETAB-500 concrete-to-air bombs from the Su-34 aircraft near the settlement of RACKA destroyed a protected command post of one of the gangs, as well as an underground bunker with an explosives and ammunition storage.

            In the IDLIB province in the JISR-ESH-SHUGUR area, the Su-24M front-line bombers destroyed storage facilities for military equipment used by militants to prepare terrorist attacks.

            In addition, an air strike was inflicted on the base of militants located in the same area, as a result of which the warehouses of weapons and material and technical property located on this object were completely destroyed.

            A direct hit of the bomb destroyed a workshop in which large-caliber machine guns and other heavy weapons were mounted on off-road vehicles.
            [img]https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12118832_1667573


            603485389_7493474697085839827_n.jpg [/ img]

            A Su-34 front-line bomber struck a point blow at the ISIS militant camp in the area of ​​MAARET-EN-NUMUMAN, IDLIB province, corrected by the KAB-500 aerial bomb. According to objective control, the fortifications of the terrorists were destroyed, ammunition depots, fuels and lubricants, and 7 pieces of equipment were destroyed.
            We note that the probable circular deviation from the target of the corrected KAB-500 bombs does not exceed 5 meters. Over the past few days, these and other high-precision weapons have been used point-by-point at ISIS terrorist facilities: command posts, ammunition depots and fuel and lubricants, and workshops where suicide bombers are made.
            The work of any air defense weapons in the areas of use of Russian aircraft in Syria has not been fixed.
            Despite this, special airborne protection systems are used for all sorties made by our aircraft.
            We focus on the fact that the crosshair on published frames of objective control is not the aiming point for the use of ammunition, but the focus center of the video camera of an unmanned aerial vehicle that monitors the results of the defeat.
      4. +3
        4 October 2015 12: 41
        It seems to me that this duckling will still remind of himself in history and more than once
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    3. +47
      4 October 2015 11: 20
      Quote: kraz
      Still, his nose is prettier than the SU-34 Yes


      No. Su-34 is more beautiful. Su-34 is just a starship, which came out of computer games in reality.
      1. 0
        4 October 2015 11: 22
        Quote: Dmitry Toderese
        Su-34 is more beautiful.

        Everything, everything, everything understood. Men just do not hit bully
  4. +5
    4 October 2015 11: 07
    A good plane, and still serve !!!
  5. +35
    4 October 2015 11: 07
    And I like it, it looks cool, he still has to live and live. Russia will bring order back to life)))
  6. +15
    4 October 2015 11: 07
    Ask the Donald Cook sailors how old the Su-24 is.
    1. +71
      4 October 2015 11: 12
      boogie-ha-ha !!
      1. +4
        4 October 2015 11: 42
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        boogie-ha-ha !!

        Though bu-ha-ha. They ran, like in the Boilers near Peter, in the OZK, and at that time, near the flyers, they attacked the attack airfield. In general, what was poured out of stockings, you don’t understand, either sweat, or else, there wasn’t brown, really, but ... what Then they laughed, of course request
        1. +5
          5 October 2015 01: 29
          In general, from a border guard, a helicopter pilot, he didn’t just give it away, they exist while such songs are being written
          Will live.
    2. +7
      4 October 2015 11: 54
      Quote: Orlenok ILLI4A
      Ask the Donald Cook sailors how old the Su-24 is.

      Immediately after the story with Donald Cook, some Western edition on the "outdated" type of the aircraft and passed. It was not they who were an hour? And now you suddenly start to like the design? Conclusion - design is always determined by functionality. The higher the efficiency, the more beautiful this technique seems to both enemies and allies.
  7. +6
    4 October 2015 11: 09
    He notes that "despite the outdated design of the Su-24 (this aircraft was developed back in the 1960-ies), Russia has modernized the fleet of these bombers and equipped them with modern systems." Well, yes design is the main thing, as in a car salon. I like this machine because she has a pretty face. lol
  8. +3
    4 October 2015 11: 09
    Yes, yes. The old man is terrified. And this is just the four old men who worked. The world is in shock
    1. +4
      4 October 2015 12: 15
      Quote: Tusv
      Yes, yes. The old man is terrified.



      I’m terrified not by the face ... Do not drink water from the face ... I’m terrified by the application ...

      PS Soon the NATO members will drive him to the "European" ... All the dregs are swept away to Europe with a broom ...
  9. +17
    4 October 2015 11: 10
    ))) More recently, many forum users sitting here (some former Pilots with a capital letter) claimed that the Su-24 is a very moody plane with a high accident rate. They also claimed that not every pilot is able to fly it.


    The article is just a translation from some foreign publication. And the rest of the comments about the fact that "the old horse does not spoil the furrow", I will say one thing. VKS was forced to send a su-24 there. Because there are not enough more modern su-34s. This is a fact
    1. +8
      4 October 2015 11: 33
      How is it forced to be sent? Do you know the word resource? Why send a bunch of the latest 35s if there is a 24e brought to mind. The Moscow Region announced that the 24th will be in operation until their resource is fully depleted with further decommissioning. And to identify weak points in 34k with intensive combat use, four units are enough. I am not a pilot, but I know that it is difficult to control airplanes with an arrow-shaped wing, which is why they switched to a variable wing-shaped sweep to facilitate takeoff and landing.
      1. +1
        4 October 2015 20: 53
        "A bunch of 35s" still need to be adopted at the beginning. They sent what was most worked out and regularly at the time ...
    2. +7
      4 October 2015 11: 37
      With you,
      alone
      , I agree ... And vaf (Sergey) said many times that the machine does not forgive mistakes ... But what was left to do?
      About
      Su-24s can rise up to 30 times per day, “however, it is not known how many pilots capable of controlling these aircraft are at the air base in Latakia and how technical support for aircraft is provided ”, notes the author.

      Well, something tells me that since they brought planes and pilots, they didn’t forget about those personnel ... Yes, and IL76 was obviously not carrying potatoes smile
      1. +2
        4 October 2015 12: 17
        Quote: Rader
        Yes, and IL76 was clearly not transporting potatoes



        Yes, and the Tu-154 is not empty, most likely, it was coming ... And this is somewhere up to 150 personnel ...
        1. 0
          7 October 2015 05: 21
          Yeah, you could still write that the Tupolev flew in with a brigade of stewardes fellow for "marshal" "This is not serious!"
      2. +2
        5 October 2015 07: 08
        Quote: Rader

        Well, something tells me that since they brought planes and pilots, they didn’t forget about those personnel ... Yes, and IL76 was obviously not carrying potatoes smile

        They probably brought the same potato, but what kind of borsch, without potato ?! laughing
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    4. +13
      4 October 2015 11: 39
      Quote: lonely
      .VKS forcedly sent the su-24 there. Because more modern su-34s are not enough. This is a fact

      Su-24 in Syria 12 pcs. There are about 34 Su-70 aircraft in the Russian Aerospace Forces. So, the matter is most likely not in quantity.
      1. +6
        4 October 2015 11: 54
        Su-24 in Syria 12 pcs. There are about 34 Su-70 aircraft in the Russian Aerospace Forces. So, the matter is most likely not in quantity.

        Well, you see, almost 10% of fleet 34 is in a foreign land (and they, the infection, are expensive, and it’s scary for them laughing ) wassat In general, the use of Su34 in many situations is redundant, enough of the old men of the 24s. And the 24th themselves are great for this theater.
        1. -15
          4 October 2015 14: 08
          In fact, the Su-34 covers the space above Syria from other people's planes. This is their main task. And 24 and 25 are the main work on the bombing.
          1. +16
            4 October 2015 14: 11
            Quote: Tambov Wolf
            Actually Su-34 cover the space above Syria from alien aircraft. This is their main task. And 24 and 25 carry out the main work. by bombing.

            Really? wassat Sometimes it's better to keep silent ...
            1. 0
              4 October 2015 16: 09
              It's better for you to keep quiet. Already in the news and on the Internet they wrote about this. Yes, and flights are carried out with short-range air-to-air missiles, a piece for one suspension on the wing. But 24 and 25 fly purely for bombing. And about the fleet I wrote that he would become a cover. Also data appeared on the network. Who then sent the Israeli planes back? What, 500 kg of bombs on the F-16 would start? You need a nice person not to hang out on one site, but to look at different conclusions and draw conclusions with your head, and not other parts of the body. And in addition to thinking, the SU-34 is a multifunctional aircraft, and not a clean bomber.
              1. +7
                5 October 2015 00: 26
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                It is better for you to be silent. Already in the news and on the Internet they wrote about this. Yes, and flights are carried out with short-range air-to-air missiles.
                - there they hang out to cover the SU-30SM. SU-34 for difficult tasks, as I understand it. Well, for example, to gouge a heavily fortified underground bunker, they say that there are even a couple of CIA officers with officers from Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. It is unlikely that the latest concrete-piercing bombs were developed under the SU-24; they were developed just under the SU-34 and newer models, including the PAK FA.
                1. 0
                  6 October 2015 13: 00
                  ODABs are probably used with BetAB, but as for the Amer’s specialists, our general directly told the Amers, take your instructors away, and there they are teeming in each bunker, it looks like grave-coffins with a star-striped flag are already on their way to their homeland
              2. +1
                5 October 2015 01: 26
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                It’s nice that a person doesn’t hang out on one site, but look at different conclusions with his head and not with other parts of the body. And in addition to thinking, SU-34 is a multifunctional aircraft, not a pure bomber.

                Dear Tambov Wolf, you as a knowledgeable person and, unlike me, a sir, unconditionally deeply versed in the capabilities and characteristics of domestic combat aircraft, recall what other UR air combat besides the P-73 carries the Su-34?
              3. +4
                5 October 2015 02: 13
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                Yes, and flights are carried out with short-range air-to-air missiles, one piece for one suspension on the wing. But 24 and 25 fly purely for bombing.


                I’ll tell you a secret that air-to-air missiles are capable of using the 24s and 25s you mentioned, I know that for sure, and I also think that ducklings do not control the sky there, but work according to combat use on the ground.
      2. +2
        4 October 2015 11: 56
        Quote: KnightRider
        There are about 34 Su-70 aircraft in the Russian Aerospace Forces. So, the matter is most likely not in quantity.

        If you think that 70 Su-34 is enough for a country like Russia, then geopolitically our opinions will never coincide)))
        1. 0
          4 October 2015 12: 28
          Quote: lonely
          that means geopolitically

          wassat God forbid that your opinion has any impact on real geopolitics ... Think better about butterflies ...
          If I am not mistaken, then the conversation was about sufficiency for an operation in Syria, and not for the scale of our country.
        2. 0
          4 October 2015 15: 02
          Quote: lonely
          If you think that 70 Su-34 is enough for a country like Russia, then geopolitically our opinions will never coincide)))

          No, I don’t think so. And the Defense Ministry doesn’t count either. Therefore, 124 cars were contracted until 2020. Bye 124. smile
    5. +13
      4 October 2015 11: 45
      Quote: lonely
      The VKS was forced to send the su-24 there.

      Even I, an absolute layman in aviation, even understand that in order to drive Bedouins through the desert, sending 5th generation planes is not necessary.
      We are not mattresses to send F-22, just to somehow justify its presence.
      It all comes down to the cost of lifting the car into the air.
      And why waste an expensive resource of new equipment for nothing? Train the crew? To do this, it is not necessary to do this in a sand pan ...
      Quote: lonely
      Because more modern su-34s are not enough

      Oh oh How many cars were handed over only this year?
      Su-34 there receives "baptism of fire" and the identification of childhood diseases in combat conditions.
      Again, in my deep amateurish opinion, based on logic and engineering ingenuity.
      1. +2
        4 October 2015 11: 56
        Quote: born_in_cssr
        sending 5th generation aircraft is optional.


        Tell me the fifth generation VKS bomber please
        1. +9
          4 October 2015 12: 21
          Quote: lonely
          Tell me the fifth generation VKS bomber please

          Dear, do you have a mind? Contact him for clarification ...
          Although I doubt very much that you will be able to cope with this not an easy task and therefore I will "hint":
          - With the same success, I could write about the 10th generation and about the 20th. The flaw was that it was not necessary to send, like our sworn partners, the latest aircraft in order to drive pickups in the desert. soldier
          1. -8
            4 October 2015 12: 45
            Quote: born_in_cssr
            Dear, do you have a mind? Contact him for clarification ...

            who wrote this? me?

            Even I, an absolute layman in aviation, even understand that in order to drive Bedouins through the desert, sending 5th generation planes is not necessary.
            To send them there, you must first have them !!
            These Bedouins hold 60% of the territory under control, and without your help, Assad would probably have overthrown a long time ago.
            1. +3
              4 October 2015 12: 53
              Quote: lonely
              who wrote this? me?

              Can you figure out what you wrote there without my help?
              Quote: lonely
              These Bedouins control 60% of the territory

              AND? How does this affect the choice of aircraft?
              I will help you develop logical thinking: Do these Bedouins have anti-aircraft capabilities?
              Although it’s better not to answer ... I read delirium in the news about Ukraine.
              1. -3
                4 October 2015 13: 13
                Quote: born_in_cssr
                Do these Bedouins have anti-aircraft capabilities?

                A third of Syrian aviation is lost as a result of the fact that these Bedouins shot them down.
                1. +5
                  5 October 2015 00: 37
                  Yeah. During the shelling of surrounded airbases from grenade launchers.
                  By the way, is it worth it to calculate how many German planes were destroyed by Soviet tanks during the Second World War? Could it be that the T-88 tank is the best means of destroying the Yu-34 bombers? laughing
            2. 0
              5 October 2015 00: 34
              Well, without the help of "our western partners" they would have gotten out of their villages. As if they were a local dull gopot with ambitions, they would have remained ... request
          2. 0
            5 October 2015 00: 32
            It is a pity that not a single IL-10 and IL-28 was left. They would be suitable for the indicated chases for pickups 100%. good drinks fellow
            Well, maybe after upgrading the equipment, of course ... request feel
        2. -6
          4 October 2015 12: 47
          DO NOT cling to words and stop engaging in demagogy. You see the liberal very much your statements are similar
          1. +1
            4 October 2015 13: 13
            Quote: Darwin
            DO NOT cling to words and stop engaging in demagogy. You see the liberal very much your statements are similar

            Are you this to me?
        3. +2
          4 October 2015 13: 32
          Do not cling, formalist. But in fact - the generation is determined by the effectiveness of the battle.
          1. 0
            5 October 2015 00: 38
            Well, the Su-7 and MiG-27 would be appropriate ...
        4. +1
          5 October 2015 00: 29
          Please name at least one 4 or 5 generation bomber from the USA? request
          I think that this division into generations - the essence of the thing is not too intelligible. That’s why it’s already gored to put the pluses to the four. Someone who promotes such a digital sign. Yes stop soldier fool
          For example, the same F-35, according to technical data, is more likely to correspond to "4+", but it will be just a scandal if, after the F-22, the "fifth generation" is tortured and adopted by the "4+" apparatus. am No.
          And the same Su-24 or Su-25 with the latest equipment to which generation belongs? drinks
          I think that it is not necessary to engage in advertising stuffing. In general, on this site recently uncritical free retelling of advertising booklets has become more frequent. This is disappointing ...
          crying hi
    6. +4
      4 October 2015 11: 56
      Quote: lonely
      The VKS was forced to send the Su-24 there. Because there are not enough more modern Su-34s. This is a fact.

      Maybe you are right in some ways, but everyone has such a compulsion, even the Americans. A lot of modernized, but old weapons. What is the point of modernization then? Immediately write off any equipment after 10 years of operation and create a new one from scratch? Old men will also fight.
      1. +5
        4 October 2015 12: 47
        Quote: Manul
        Maybe you are right in some ways, but everyone has such a compulsion, even the Americans.


        Ilya, I’m not saying that they should be immediately dumped. It’s just that the majority here are accustomed to praise and slander the same. I’m tired of such a jingoistic mood. Most people on the site are only involved in patriotism. And less and less professionals .
        1. +1
          4 October 2015 13: 33
          Quote: lonely
          On the site, most people are engaged only in patriotism, and there are fewer and fewer professionals.

          But the old man’s combat effectiveness literally screams that you're wrong
          1. 0
            5 October 2015 00: 50
            Sorry, but not screaming, but rumbling. fellow Air bombs. laughing
        2. 0
          4 October 2015 13: 47
          Quote: lonely
          Ilya, I’m not saying that they should be immediately dumped. It’s just that the majority here are accustomed to praise and slander the same. I’m tired of such a jingoistic mood. Most people on the site are only involved in patriotism. And less and less professionals .

          Do you think that we still need to check the quality of modernization of old equipment in battle? How efficient are all these new enhancements? hi
          1. +1
            4 October 2015 14: 09
            Quote: Manul
            Do you think that we still need to check the quality of modernization of old equipment in battle?

            The plane has a high accident rate. These are not my words, but the words of respected members of the forum who are real professional pilots. We must send planes to the battle that the pilot will not fail at the right moment.
            HERE McCain already crowed about MANPADS, which will supply the opposition.
            1. +1
              5 October 2015 00: 57
              Wasn't McCain somehow unsuccessfully burning a half-aircraft carrier? If so, then he certainly understands a lot in the destruction of aircraft ... laughing laughing good Expert! fellow laughing bully
            2. 0
              5 October 2015 07: 25
              Quote: lonely
              The plane has a high accident rate. These are not my words, but the words of respected members of the forum who are real professional pilots. We must send planes to the battle that the pilot will not fail at the right moment.
              HERE McCain already crowed about MANPADS, which will supply the opposition.

              I remember VAF's answer, and it was my clarifying question, correcting other statements. But then there were several accidents in a row, and not only 24x, which made us worried, but everyone was talking about the accident, but not Vaf. I will try to quote from memory - "The plane is not difficult to control, no. On the contrary, it is as simple as a bicycle. But this plane does not forgive mistakes." hi
          2. 0
            5 October 2015 00: 55
            Well, in the USA, for example, a large-scale modernization of the M-60 is proposed.
            If sclerosis does not change, the modernization of the T-55 was developed in Israel.
            There are many proposals for a serious modernization of the BMP-1 and BMP-2.
            The stump is clear, all this is not for oncoming battles with "Leclercs" or "Leopards-2A7", but - the old people are quite capable of a lot.
        3. +4
          5 October 2015 00: 48
          By the way, the Chinese, for example, quite exploit their modification of the Tu-16 and ... do not buzz ... request
          Here my father told me that in the 60s PPSh was the favorite machine gun in Cuba ...
          For a long time, the frontier troops in the FRG were armed with PPS, which was later replaced by the Heckler’s MP-5 ...
          In the United States, the Browning M2 machine gun is successfully used, and on the "M1911 platform", unless they pray ...
          And the Finns, with their ability to successfully operate the equipment, which, it seems like a long time ago to write off, cause my sincere amazement.
          To give a dozen more examples of the successful use of technology, say, not the latest?
          In terms of ur-patriotism, perhaps, I am inclined to agree with you.
          However, people are fighting.
          The same Syrians, for example, fighting with Israel (where is the notorious "Professor"?) Defiled the T-72 with terrible force, until the angry Soviet advisers got into such a tank and sent a company of Israeli tanks to the forefathers in one battle.
          hi
      2. 0
        7 October 2015 05: 40
        ancient technical joke from "armamentists" (such specialists in the aviation engineering service): - "an airplane is a cannon with wings!" And somehow "purple" what design these "wings" have, what generation they have ... the main thing is that they can bring a modern, effective and high-precision weapon to the target. You will say that the missile will do for such a purpose, I'm not sure: the plane can be quickly retargeted, but the missile is gone
    7. +1
      4 October 2015 14: 36
      Quote: lonely
      I will say one thing. The VKS was forced to send a su-24 there. Because more modern su-34s are not enough. This is a fact


      But it seems to me that sending to Syria along with the SU-34 and the SU-24 also solve 2 problems at once.
      1. Actually combat use.
      2. Advertising move to increase the number of orders for the SU-24.
      And I fully admit the idea that the 24th may not be returned home, but left by the Syrian Air Force in fear of adversity and to form positive reviews for potential buyers.
      1. +5
        4 October 2015 14: 46
        Quote: Polite Elk
        Advertising move to increase the number of orders for SU-24.

        Alexander, what kind of orders are you talking about? what Serial production of this type of front-line bomber was completed over 20 years ago.
        1. +6
          4 October 2015 15: 17
          Quote: Bongo
          Alexander, what kind of orders are you talking about? Serial production of this type of front-line bomber was completed more than 20 years ago.


          It’s necessary to be smart like that)))) hi
          1. +4
            4 October 2015 15: 19
            Quote: lonely
            It’s necessary to be smart like that))))

            Not a fact, maybe Alexander sincerely believes that they are still being built?
            1. +1
              4 October 2015 15: 40
              Quote: Bongo
              Not a fact, maybe Alexander sincerely believes that they are still being built?


              And check it is very difficult probably)))
              1. +1
                5 October 2015 01: 01
                He would be sent to sell GAZ-20, GAZ-21 and GAZ-24. That would cut the dough !!! fellow
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            3. +1
              5 October 2015 08: 46
              Quote: Bongo
              Quote: lonely
              It’s necessary to be smart like that))))

              Not a fact, maybe Alexander sincerely believes that they are still being built?


              Well, you already consider me a bird sanitizer.
        2. +1
          5 October 2015 00: 59
          Well, a man confused there ... Well, Su-7, Su-17, Su-27 ... wassat what
          You think about it! One tsifirka not that! am wassat bully laughing
        3. +3
          5 October 2015 08: 45
          Quote: Bongo
          Alexander, what kind of orders are you talking about?


          I meant the possible deliveries of the SU-24 from storage bases or from combat units after replacement with the SU-34 (there was no talk about the newly produced ones). At this point in time, give everyone only the latest developments. And they themselves will not be enough for us. And here is such a unique case to show not a new, but quite effective machine, which, with the right advertising campaign, will rise on a par with the latest developments. It would be a sin not to take the opportunity to sell our Arab and Latin American friends an "old horse" with all the ensuing advantages in the form of maintenance, modernization, and so on. The Syrian operation (demonstration of the effectiveness of the SU-24) is another stone in the balance in favor of acquiring our inexpensive and time-tested aircraft for those countries that cannot shell out for super-dupers, but have very hot bomber aircraft.
          1. +1
            5 October 2015 10: 29
            Quote: Polite Elk
            I meant possible deliveries of SU-24 from storage bases or from combat units after replacing it with SU-34

            Alexander, have you seen these "storage bases"? As for deliveries from combat units, the rate of supply of the Su-34 is unfortunately not yet able to compensate for the "natural decline" of the Su-24M and M2. In addition, everyone who wanted a long time ago bought this car, albeit very effective, but requiring qualified maintenance and difficult to fly.
            1. +2
              5 October 2015 11: 39
              Quote: Bongo
              the rate of supply of the Su-34 is unfortunately not yet able to make up for the "natural decline" of the Su-24M and M2.


              Yes, I agree with you. The production rate of 34, with our needs, leaves much to be desired. Although, how to say. If the plans of the Defense Ministry come true, then by 2020 there will be a complete re-equipment of the units from 24 to 34. And I’m thinking it’s a sinful thing that it would be better and more profitable for us not to rot the equipment for conservation, but to shaman the 24-arms and together with stocks of spare parts to sell to interested. The Syrian operation is the best advertising company for the SU-24. I think the demand will be. And then since the delivery of 24 to Algeria, there have been no other contracts. Perhaps I wishful thinking, but I hope that there will still be a gesheft.
              Sergei! hi
              1. +1
                5 October 2015 12: 13
                Quote: Polite Elk
                Yes, I agree with you. The production rate of 34 with our needs leaves much to be desired. Although, how to say. If the MO plans come true, then by 2020 there will be a complete re-equipment of parts from 24 to 34. And I’m thinking it’s a sinful thing that it would be better and more profitable for us not to fester equipment for conservation, but to shamanize 24-ki taken out of service and sell it to the interested together with the spare parts.

                Unfortunately, for various reasons, this most likely will not happen. Su-24M and M2 will be operated after the 2020 year request On "storage" are machines with a practically exhausted resource and obsolete avionics. All that can fly is fly. For example, in the Far East, the Su-24M and M2 remained only in Khurba. Although 10 years ago they were based on 4 airfields.
                1. +1
                  5 October 2015 12: 41
                  Quote: Bongo
                  All that can fly is fly. For example, in the Far East, the Su-24m and M2 remained only in Khurba. Although 10 years ago, they were based at 4 airfields.


                  Yes, unfortunately, the era of the 90s was not in vain. A lot of things have gone wrong. But, despite the situation with the FBA in our videoconferencing, if there is a buyer, then I think that they will definitely sell. Moreover, the "advertising campaign" in Syria is quite successful. (ugh .. ugh ... ugh .. so as not to jinx it).
                  1. +2
                    5 October 2015 13: 08
                    Quote: Polite Elk
                    Yes, unfortunately the era of 90's was not in vain.

                    Of course this is so, but in the 90s, fighter and fighter-bomber regiments were mainly eliminated. Front-line bomber aviation began to be "reformed" 5-7 years ago; with "great" and "irreplaceable". However, in 2011, the naval missile-carrying aviation, in agreement with the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, was eliminated altogether. In accordance with the order of the General Staff of the Armed Forces, fleet aviation was transferred to the Air Force in a short time - all missile-carrying aviation, consisting of three squadrons of Tu-22M3 long-range bombers, the main part of strike and fighter units, as well as most of the transport aviation. All “conditionally serviceable” (prepared for a one-time ferry) aircraft of the Navy in 2011 were transferred to the Long-Range Aviation. The rest of the Tu-22M, even with minor malfunctions, but suitable for restoration, were cut into metal. crying

                    Most of the former "sea" Tu-22M3 are currently not flying, they are waiting for their turn for repair and modernization.
  10. +9
    4 October 2015 11: 10
    Yes, I'm generally from pin, oh Africans, losing weight, lately laughing Along the way, drop Po-2 into Syria, so they, too, will recognize him, super-wunderwafers wassat
    1. +9
      4 October 2015 12: 34
      Well, if PO-2 could rise above 3 km (just in case !!!) - in general there would be an ideal option ...
      Although on the other hand from Stinger shoot him to no purpose fellow lol Yes
      And slowly, slowly, to drive Bedouins from corner to corner in the desert - in any conditions. At least I would have mastered intelligence on 5 + with its speed
      1. +3
        4 October 2015 13: 06
        Quote: your1970
        Already at least intelligence would be mastered by 5+ at its speed

        And two hundred kg, well, if you don’t take the navigator what
        1. 0
          4 October 2015 20: 50
          Glonass, communications, optics - everything is small in weight, given the small ranges - he would have been hanging in the air for a very long time
        2. 0
          5 October 2015 10: 47
          Quote: rererilka
          And two hundred kg, well, if you don’t take the navigator

          bully C'mon, get upset - replace some of the materials with modern ones easier, but stick the engine a little more modern and more powerful and then you have 500 kg, or even more, together with the navigator
        3. 0
          5 October 2015 13: 15
          Yeah and a box of grenades with you, it’s convenient to throw from the top.
      2. 0
        5 October 2015 01: 03
        Bullshit !!! An-2 steers !!! wink good
        It seems like I read about half a year ago that SOKOM highly appreciated the potential of using the An-2 for special forces.
        And Po-2 flies up to a specific Bedouin, takes him by the throat and asks: "Why do you need my water?" laughing
        1. 0
          5 October 2015 12: 38
          AN-2 see radars, but the software is 2 (in which the iron is one engine and a machine gun feel lol, and everything else is plywood and percale) - I think in general no radar will take + low altitude ..
          In general, apparently the modern version of the 2 software would be wildly relevant for the army and special services
        2. 0
          7 October 2015 05: 48
          Alas, the speeds did not work out - now a pickup truck with a machine gun moves faster through the sands
          1. 0
            7 October 2015 17: 39
            Pickup truck with speed 120-150km / h in the sand belay belay ?????
            Oh well....
            Not if you count on going straight to heaven for the gouri feel - then you can squeeze more
  11. +15
    4 October 2015 11: 11
    Good day to all forum users! This is my first comment. I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?
    1. +5
      4 October 2015 11: 46
      Quote: Petergofsky73
      Good day to all forum users! This is my first comment. I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?

      Good question. In Syria, we are officially, the ownership of machines is determined unambiguously, especially the Su-34 and Su-30SM, i.e. hide the traces of his military presence does not work. In general, treba need to return the stars to their place! soldier
      1. +6
        4 October 2015 11: 52
        If erased, then it was necessary. It’s a variant of the fact that it will not be possible to officially open the mission, in the event that the Syrian ace had to be fought again by the name of Li Si Tsyn.
        Now everyone already knows who is who and there is simply no time to draw. God forbid that the technicians have time to rest at least a little between the preparation of the boards for departure. Do you think they have nothing to do there?
        It is the guys on earth who are now pulling on their hump all the hardest work. And give it to you here ...
        1. +1
          4 October 2015 15: 35
          Quote: born_in_cssr
          It’s a variant of the fact that it will not be possible to officially open the mission, in the event that the Syrian ace had to be fought again by the name of Li Si Tsyn.

          If our leadership WAS NOT 100% sure that our mission would be official and legitimate, i.e. with the sanction of the UN Security Council or with permission Damascus - our planes would not have appeared in Syria!
      2. +12
        4 October 2015 11: 53
        Thank you, I also think so, our stars (better than the 1943 Air Force model) are well remembered by all enemies. They did not tarnish themselves with anything (in the sense of bombing civilian targets).
        1. 0
          5 October 2015 01: 09
          Yeah. Right A kind of Pe-8 flies with a load of bombs and his whole team is so worried: if any of the bombs gets into a Berliner’s apartment building ... And this is at a time when cartel teams of Germans, Romanians and Bandera burn Belarusian villages with the entire population ... am
          Would you understand what you said? fool
      3. +3
        4 October 2015 11: 57
        Quote: KnightRider
        In general, treba need to return the stars to their place!

        Those are red, not like the American ones. This is what you need to be fool in order to abandon the deserved by the ancestors, the symbol of the most powerful and legendary request Yes, on the drum, red and everything, and in the abbreviation of the Red Army, there is not even a hint of politics, it is now, the Red Army
    2. 0
      4 October 2015 12: 29
      I assume that the stars were painted over for the transfer of aircraft through the airspace of foreign countries. In order not to attract too much attention.
    3. +10
      4 October 2015 12: 44
      Quote: Petergofsky73
      . I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?


      Well, since almost all the "ukrya-specialists" have spoken out ... let me also!
      This is an old and ancient "problem" with Iran, despite all the "love" and "peace, friendship, chewing gum" lol
      Iranians have always been opposed to the presence in their airspace of combat aircraft with any identification marks other than their own.
      So ..... "local customs" .. so to speak wink soldier
      1. +2
        4 October 2015 13: 13
        Thanks for clarifying. That is, if I understood you correctly, is this a necessary measure applied to relocate the aircraft of our airborne forces through the airspace of Iran? If so, what about the case (God forbid!) Of a possible incident with ours in the sky over Syria? After all, as I understand it, in international law, an airplane pilot without identification marks is considered almost a pirate.
        1. +7
          4 October 2015 13: 31
          Quote: Petergofsky73
          That is, if I understood you correctly, is this a necessary measure applied to relocate the aircraft of our airborne forces through the airspace of Iran?


          Yes sir!

          Quote: Petergofsky73
          If so, what about the case (God forbid!) Of a possible incident with ours in the sky over Syria?


          Try to do everything to reach "your territory" and there already .. "jump" ... if there is no such possibility, then ... there is always a PM in the left breast pocket of the overalls soldier
          1. +2
            4 October 2015 13: 53
            Quote: ancient
            , then ... in the left breast pocket of the jumpsuit there is always PM soldier

            Why, damn it, I heard from the edge of Chechnya that they armed the flyers on the 25s with "yblyudkami", didn't they?
            Yes, that’s it, I’ve already gone, twist the nuts, an hour or three request
      2. +3
        4 October 2015 14: 26
        Quote: ancient
        Iranians have always been opposed to the presence in their airspace of combat aircraft with any identification marks other than their own.
        So ..... "local customs" .. so to speak

        Cognitively, I did not know about such a fad.
      3. +1
        4 October 2015 15: 19
        Quote: ancient
        Quote: Petergofsky73
        . I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?


        Well, since almost all the "ukrya-specialists" have spoken out ... let me also!
        This is an old and ancient "problem" with Iran, despite all the "love" and "peace, friendship, chewing gum" lol
        Iranians have always been opposed to the presence in their airspace of combat aircraft with any identification marks other than their own.
        So ..... "local customs" .. so to speak wink soldier

        Well, short and clear! Now, if anyone asks about the stars, I will refer to your comment. hi Now I don’t need to bring the stars back
    4. 0
      5 October 2015 10: 51
      Quote: Petergofsky73
      Good day to all forum users! This is my first comment. I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?

      what Maybe then they decided to leave them to the Syrians and Assad, so that then they would not be redrawn.
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  13. +14
    4 October 2015 11: 15
    despite the outdated design of the Su-24

    If their design comes first ... I think I'm starting to understand what the problems are with the F-35 ...
    And for us the main thing is:
    1. +1
      4 October 2015 12: 20
      Airstrikes by the Russian air forces in Syria sparked discussions at the Pentagon over whether to use military force to protect trained and armed with the American side Syrian rebels, AFP reports.

      According to the agency’s source, the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs of Staff consider the possible legal and political consequences of such a move in the event of attacks by Russian aircraft.

      In the worst case, an attempt by the American forces to organize air cover of the rebels from Russian fighters could lead to a full-scale confrontation with Russia, which Washington would like to avoid, the source said.
      Read more: https://eadaily.com/news/2015/10/02/afp-ssha-rassmatrivayut-silovoy-otvet-na-ros
      siyskie-udary-po-povstancam-v-sirii

      Here, they confer, and decide that it’s more efficient, crowbar, or crowbar, they do not know the wretched that MPL-50 steers when all that is small has ended.
      And the flyers, this fate, probably what
  14. +10
    4 October 2015 11: 16
    half a century of Russian bombers are still an effective means of hitting targets
    It’s hard to argue with this - the evidence is there! Fresh!
    I wonder just how deep the upgrade was? When I was studying, the teachers spoke of the Su-24 rather unpleasantly: difficulties in piloting, rather laborious maintenance, a "weak link" in the form of the swivel mechanism of consoles ... and the radius is too small, frankly. Su-34, in these matters, for the pilots themselves is much more attractive smile
    However, now we see that the plane performs its task! And God bless him with flying longevity, and equal number of take-offs and landings! good
  15. +6
    4 October 2015 11: 16
    So the AK design is outdated. It is necessary that as in computer games or what? Super-pomegranate - mega electro-atomizer with Swarovski crystals? To look creatively like that in battle? Well, then the plane should look like in "Star Wars". In the logic of the amers.
    1. 0
      5 October 2015 01: 16
      Well, all the modifications of the "Kalash" carried out until recently were reduced to such "delights". Ukrainian designers were especially remarkable in this regard. The same "kid" is worth something. Yes, and "Vepr" from the same barrel ...
      STRASIKI !!! fellow
  16. 0
    4 October 2015 11: 18
    Controversial headline. I like the old design more than aircraft of the 5th generation.
  17. 0
    4 October 2015 11: 19
    Quote: Petergofsky73
    Good day to all forum users! This is my first comment. I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?

    How is this missing?
    1. +1
      4 October 2015 11: 26
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      How is this missing?

      Yes, I also heard such garbage, but what difference does it make if everyone yells that, except ours, no one is afraid of flying over Syria request
      1. +2
        4 October 2015 12: 28
        Quote: rererilka
        in the sense of flying afraid



        So, in fact, ours have already made a no-fly zone over Syria ... The planes of the "coalition" and Israel do jade there ...
        1. +2
          4 October 2015 13: 14
          Quote: veksha50
          The planes of the "coalition" and Israel do jade there ...

          Well, God bless them, as Lyaksandr Vasilich used to say drinks
          Lana, I’m in the garage, my friend has lengthened his sportswear, well, I’ve adjusted the grant, I’ll just go change the racks, but I’ll choose the clearance on the front end from the wheels, and I’ll have to change the cardan, slotted, neither ... nor to the Red Army, in general .
          I disappear.
          1. +3
            4 October 2015 13: 40
            Nate, actually the wife, but she stands to live and laugh, over what is called life
        2. 0
          4 October 2015 14: 15
          Quote: veksha50
          So, in fact, ours have already made a no-fly zone over Syria ... The planes of the "coalition" and Israel do jade there ...

          Man, to make a no-fly zone, do you know how many planes it takes?

          The West just stepped aside so you spent on the bombing.
          1. +1
            4 October 2015 15: 06
            Quote: lonely
            Man, to make a no-fly zone, do you know how many planes it takes?

            The West just stepped aside so you spent on the bombing.



            Could not leave ...

            But we still need to train pilots somewhere for military use ... Cynically, but the way it is ...

            And what about the money spent ... Where and when, and which state saved on the costs of the war ???

            PS And about the no-fly zone - these are not my words ... Look, in the news feeds, wherever you look, they gossip about it ... "Analysts" ...
            1. +1
              4 October 2015 15: 43
              Quote: veksha50
              And about the no-fly zone - these are not my words ... Look, in the news feeds, wherever you look, they gossip about it ... "Analysts" ...


              You know George, I would advise you not to listen to analysts))) it is a futile lesson. Sorting is a professional business for analysts. Tryndet and tryndet
              1. +2
                4 October 2015 16: 05
                Quote: lonely
                You know, George, I would advise you not to listen to analysts))) this is a futile lesson. Sorting is a professional business for analysts.



                Um ... And where do we ALL get the news ???

                For example, I try with state sites and the media (at least with state participation) ... However, this does not guarantee against a doubled disa ...

                In this case, where do you get the information ??? Who (which channel or newspaper and magazine publication) do you use as a source of news and whom do you trust ???

                For example, I read and try to think ... I don’t know how it turns out, but I don’t trust anyone and nothing ...

                And the information about unmanned space, for example, was voiced by RIA Novosti ... I in no way relate it to Rain or Ear ...
                1. +1
                  4 October 2015 16: 17
                  Quote: veksha50
                  In this case, where do you get the information ???


                  I take it from various sources, both state and independent. I take it even from bearded men. I just read what they write. And then I compare, analyze it myself, throw out all that is superfluous. The main thing is that I do not trust 100% source .I have my own mind, my own thinking.

                  Quote: veksha50
                  And the information about unmanned space, for example, was voiced by RIA Novosti ... I in no way relate it to Rain or Ear ...


                  RIA Novosti))) Rain, Ear .. none of them is considered an information portal that can be trusted 100%. RIA Novosti is the mouthpiece of the authorities, it only praises statesmen and their policies. And Rain or others just know that they criticize him.
          2. +2
            4 October 2015 16: 40
            to make a no-fly zone, do you know how many planes it takes?
            In the presence of modern air defense systems - 0 aircraft are enough.
            1. +1
              4 October 2015 18: 41
              Quote: Ajent Cho
              In the presence of modern air defense systems - 0 aircraft are enough.

              )) You know, there is such a thing-called electronic warfare. Given the presence of modern electronic warfare, modern air defense systems may not create this zone.
              1. 0
                5 October 2015 08: 31
                You know, there’s such an EW contraption called
                Yes, of course, moreover, stationary on the ground - much more powerful than those on airplanes.
  18. 0
    4 October 2015 11: 20
    however, Russian bombers with a half-century history still represent an effective means of hitting targets that are far away from the Latakia air base. ”

    Something the last days, Americans do not skimp on compliments. What is it for?
  19. +12
    4 October 2015 11: 21
    We know how to do ... For how many years he, and such a hell he produces on the devil!
    Allah will not help!

    A sho normally fly like that .... good
    1. +2
      4 October 2015 11: 24
      Interestingly, the commentator in the background shouts "Allah Akbar!" from joy or from fear?
      1. +5
        4 October 2015 11: 44
        From what has passed. Well, in the sense of "God save", and maybe from what "carried"
        1. +5
          4 October 2015 12: 13
          Truly Akbar! At the same time it blew ...
      2. 0
        4 October 2015 12: 17
        this is a phrase for all occasions, even sitting in the toilet you can shout allah akbar, which means Allah more ... wassat Well, in the sense of shit!
      3. +4
        4 October 2015 12: 21
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        the commentator in the background shouts "Allahu Akbar!" from joy or from fear?

        He is also baptized at the same time. So, just in case. lol
        1. +2
          4 October 2015 14: 14
          good made fun of hiccups))
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      4. +1
        4 October 2015 12: 27
        shouts "Allah Akbar!"


        So anyone can shout - "God is great!" In my translation - the Almighty in everything. Takbir, you understand. In this case, the exaltation of Russian aircraft. smile
        1. 0
          4 October 2015 13: 10
          Well, why lie "Allah akbar" literal translation Allah is more, not great ... tongue
          1. 0
            4 October 2015 18: 37
            The opportunity to check how it actually sounds has been given to a lot of "babakhs" for four days
          2. 0
            4 October 2015 23: 13
            well that's why lie "Allah akbar" literal translation Allah is more, not great.


            Well, you translate, literally, sympathize ....
      5. +1
        4 October 2015 23: 10
        Allah then he is of course akbar, but judging by the intonation, he memorized all this as "God forbid" winked
  20. +13
    4 October 2015 11: 23
    “For example, the modernized Su-24 has a glass cockpit, GLONASS satellite navigation systems, a windscreen display system and an air-to-air self-defense system. On board the aircraft may be R-73 short-range air-to-air missiles. In addition, the bomber can carry precision guided ammunition, ”the author says.

    According to the magazine, "the maximum combat load of the aircraft is 7500 kg, the combat radius of the Su-24 is 560 km, and the latest modifications are equipped with an air refueling system." The aircraft is capable of striking targets at low altitudes.


    Another illiterate publication of National Interest. negative Frontline bombers Su-24 in our air force there is practically no left. Are operated Su-24M and Su-24М2 with avionics "Gefest" and "Gusar". They differ from the Su-24 in about the same way as the Su-35 differs from the progenitor of the Su-27.

    With all the numerous advantages of the Su-34, its impact capabilities are approximately equal to that of the Su-24М2. At the same time, 24 behaves much better when flying on PMV.
    1. 0
      4 October 2015 15: 03
      Quote: Bongo
      At the same time, the 24-ka behaves much better when flying on PMV.

      ..and what is such an important indicator when fulfilling tasks in Syria?
      As I understand it, the opposite is true: the maximum heights are used to negate MANPADS attacks.
      Quote: Bongo
      in its impact capabilities, it is approximately equal to the Su-24M2

      This in the sense can carry the same ammunition? .. In this matter - it is possible.
      1. +4
        4 October 2015 15: 15
        Quote: avia1991
        ..and what is such an important indicator when fulfilling tasks in Syria?
        As I understand it, the opposite is true: the maximum heights are used to negate MANPADS attacks.

        These aircraft were not originally created to fight the Islamists; for this, a cheaper option could be dispensed with. You are probably aware of the tasks of a front-line bomber. And when flying on the PMV, the Su-24 (and all subsequent modifications) shakes much less than the Su-34.
        Quote: avia1991
        This in the sense can carry the same ammunition? .. In this matter - it is possible.

        The capabilities of avionics are also quite close. But on this subject, you better communicate with the Ancient One, so to speak, refer to the original source.
  21. +1
    4 October 2015 11: 24
    They don’t drink water from their faces. But it will not seem a little long.
  22. -21
    4 October 2015 11: 26
    Quote: Hubun
    The old horse does not spoil the furrow



    But plow shallow)))
    1. +6
      4 October 2015 11: 38
      Quote: beitar
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow



      But plow shallow)))

      Well, you know better. You pros don't get rid of junk. But for some reason, tell everyone that you plow deeply. hi
      1. +20
        4 October 2015 11: 47
        Quote: keel 31
        But for some reason, tell everyone that you plow deeply.


        Six Russian multi-purpose Su-30SM drove the Israeli fighter McDonnell Douglas F-15 off the coast of Syria, according to EXCLUSIF-Strategika 51.

        Israeli aviation flies for several months in the airspace of Syria and near the military air base near the city of Latakia, which is now the bridgehead of Russian troops in Syria. The Israeli air group flew a rather difficult route with an approach to Latakia from the sea.

        On the night of October 1 to 2, 2015, six Russian Su-30cm flew from the Syrian air base Hamim towards Cyprus, to intercept four Israeli F-15 fighters. When approaching them, they turned on the combat mode.

        Surprised by this situation, the Israelis did not begin to engage in air combat with some of the best Russian multi-role fighters quickly turned south, flying at high speed into Lebanese airspace.

        The Lebanese Army officially announced at 23.13:XNUMX pm (local time) that four "enemy aircraft" (Israel) had crossed Lebanese airspace.

        This "incident" between Russian and Israeli military aircraft threw the Israeli Air Force into a stupor, which realized that a possible air battle between Israeli F-15s and Russian Su-30s would result in the loss of four Israeli aircraft. Israel vigorously protested the incident in Moscow, but the Russians demanded an explanation for the presence of Israeli fighters in Syrian airspace. This incident shows that the defense of Syrian airspace is now under the control of the Russian Air Force. What caused the gnashing of teeth in Washington.

        The incident was ignored by major news agencies, but the political and informational role of Israel, the United States and Europe in the Arab world will help strengthen efforts to demonize Russian support for the Syrian government.
        1. +15
          4 October 2015 11: 48
          "The Russian Su-30SM fighter by its actions forced the pilot of the American A-10 attack aircraft to leave the airspace over Syria." - the American radio station CNN reported
          “While performing missions in the skies over Syria, our pilot was faced with a situation that forced him to leave Syrian airspace and return to the US Air Force base. In the second minute of the flight, he was intercepted by the Russian Su-30SM fighter, the pilot of which made it clear, that it is necessary to stop the flight and leave Syrian territory. I wonder how Washington will react to such “coercive” actions of Russia in the future? " - notes the host of CNN Wolf Blitzer.
          1. +5
            4 October 2015 12: 18
            Exactly ... Now this is our cow and we are guarding it. Benny asked Putin to help Israel not be alone with the scumbags. So move over and don’t go when serious people do business
          2. +1
            4 October 2015 13: 14
            It is interesting how Washington will react to such “coercive” actions of Russia in the future? "- notes CNN host Wolf Blitzer.
            Envy will be on the side! crying
        2. +2
          4 October 2015 12: 06
          Here the Moses have become insolent. They fly into one sovereign state, scramble through another. You can't see your sky. Where did Nassral fly to him with four eagles? It is necessary at the end to lose a couple of "Shells", and what is easy to transport. I put an awning and an ordinary wagon on top of the camera.
          1. +2
            4 October 2015 13: 27
            Israel Area 23000 sq. Km This is a square with a side of 151km. Such a distance a modern combat aircraft flies in 4,5 minutes. It is crowded there for the sons not to turn around. So I had to fly on one side, fly on the other. Now there is no fly in, but always fly out please!
            1. 0
              4 October 2015 18: 42
              So let the "Putin falcons" finish their work at home until they sit and rest. The dust storm is over, the weather is fine. What? But what if?
        3. +3
          4 October 2015 12: 34
          Quote: vorobey
          Quote: keel 31
          But for some reason, tell everyone that you plow deeply.


          Six Russian multi-purpose Su-30SM drove the Israeli fighter McDonnell Douglas F-15 off the coast of Syria, according to EXCLUSIF-Strategika 51.


          However, in the morning there was infa (I don't know whether to believe the news feed) that there were five F-15s ... And they drove away - four ... And they ask the question - where did the fifth one go ??? And about what Israel declared a "strong protest" to Moscow ...
          1. +3
            4 October 2015 12: 58
            Quote: veksha50
            that F-15 was five ... And they drove away - four ... And they ask the question - where did the fifth go ???


            request feel
          2. +3
            4 October 2015 13: 01
            Shake, shrink. No one will tell us. Maybe our descendants will read in the archives. crying
          3. +3
            4 October 2015 13: 17
            Quote: veksha50
            However, in the morning there was infa (I don't know whether to believe the news feed) that there were five F-15s ... And they drove away - four ... And they ask the question - where did the fifth one go ??? And about what Israel declared a "strong protest" to Moscow ...

            where the sea dwellers drowned somewhere, but in general fighters fly in pairs. fifth why ??? request a scout was escorted if only!
            1. 0
              4 October 2015 15: 09
              Quote: Fighting Cat
              where the sea dwellers drowned somewhere, but in general fighters fly in pairs. fifth why ??? a scout was escorted if only!


              That's what this is about ...

              And the route was cleverly laid ...

              However ... "worn out and dried up" ...
          4. 0
            4 October 2015 19: 40
            Quote: veksha50
            However, in the morning there was infa (I don’t know whether to believe the news feed) that the F-15 was five ... But they drove away - four ... And they ask the question - where did the fifth go ???

            Four were driven away, and the fifth flew away fellow
            1. +1
              4 October 2015 21: 55
              Quote: Bort Radist
              Four were driven away, and the fifth one flew away fellow

              Et what if there was a fifth, it was also necessary to look for the sixth, although belay ... well, let five fly in, four run away, one we write, two go to mind, although not there, they have an account, both mathematics and physics, smoke behind the barn.
              1. 0
                5 October 2015 09: 24
                Quote: rererilka
                This what, if the fifth was, it was also necessary to look for the sixth

                You need to know this, in pairs they fly or fives. If in pairs then look for the sixth. If the link is 5, then that's it.
        4. +2
          4 October 2015 13: 23
          If this infa is true, then I have no doubt that this is not a provocation (in the political sense), but a purposeful war game to test the combat and volitional capabilities of both our pilots and equipment. Here the ancient Ukrainians write on their "Censors" (God forgive me!) That they say "cotton wool" has "rusty litaki". What if it's true ?. So our Israeli "friends" are interested. What? But what if?
          1. 0
            4 October 2015 15: 12
            Quote: Petergofsky73
            Here the ancient Ukrainians write on their "Censors" (God forgive me!) That they say at "cotton wool" "litaki tse are rusty".


            Uh-huh ... Well, just like their Zaporizhzhia submarine ...

            So at least we have rusty ones, but they don’t have such ones either ...

            And why are they so twitching after the "rusty Russian litaki" began bombing ISIS in Syria ???
            1. 0
              4 October 2015 18: 47
              It's elementary! The ancient Ukrainians realized that they had been beaten for a year and a half by taxi drivers, miners, plumbers, supermarket guards, and anyone else but "drunken glass wool". And what? But what if? And what about us?
    2. +3
      4 October 2015 11: 39
      Guys, you still get yours. Fact. It's just a matter of time. Do you think you will stay away? No one will forget your contribution to the "fight" against radicals. You will have little choice - either Islamist militants in your cities or "old horses" over Tel Aviv.
      And then you smile.
      1. +6
        4 October 2015 12: 52
        No one will forget your contribution to the "fight" against radicals.


        This "contribution" should not be overestimated. The main thing for Israel is to ensure the safety of its existence in the Arab volcano and to preserve its statehood. Today only the United States and the last five years of the Arab monarchies guarantee him this. The activity of Israel is entirely due to the demand of camels, who do not have a subtle Jewish spiritual constitution, and rudely, in Bedouin, shout and stamp their feet, just like the Odessa racketeer at the manufactory of Uncle Aaron (We are going to Uncle Aaron, mother will be glad!) can.

        Another question is if something changes, and the Russian Federation can provide security to Israel strategically, then stopudovo it will not become an ally for money. Even more so, peace in the region, clear definitions of borders, state treaties and the development of the richest region, this is in the interests of Israel. Who can provide this? I'm afraid no one is today. Today, the only task is the destruction of Islamic radicalism. If Russia shows that this is not power, but only a misunderstanding generated by disunity and squabbles in the Middle East, then ISIS, Al Qaeda or some other Nusra will cease to exist, because they go there for strength, strengthening their movement. The lack of power will overthrow these movements to the level of a petty sect, despised and beaten. The East is a delicate matter, but no thinner than an indisputable force.
        1. 0
          4 October 2015 22: 18
          And while Israel is crap, as soon as it can.
          http://lifenews.ru/news/163016 там типичное гадство "бедолаг".Подобных фактов немало.
    3. +4
      4 October 2015 11: 40
      Quote: beitar
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow



      But plow shallow)))


      controversial statement ...
      1. 0
        5 October 2015 00: 46
        Quote: vorobey
        controversial statement ...

        Achoa, Sanya, I’m so koumeka, the order will be, we will plow along, and in half, and to bounce drinks
    4. +1
      4 October 2015 12: 13
      How unpleasant it is for you to read, see and hear that you do not even want to notice the obvious.
    5. +3
      4 October 2015 12: 18
      Plow at most do not spoil))!
    6. +4
      4 October 2015 14: 46
      Quote: beitar
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow



      But plow shallow)))


      In this case, the "plowing depth" is not critical. The main thing is for the "weed" to lay down.
  23. 0
    4 October 2015 11: 28
    How are they? Isn’t it that democracy is letting go slowly? Crazy Americans, now there will be a glorious trend for our eyes - a change in the broadcasting vector of their pathetic newspaper
  24. +1
    4 October 2015 11: 31
    Although the spool is old, it’s expensive.
  25. +3
    4 October 2015 11: 33
    In Russia, not only planes but also pilots are the best in the world.
  26. +5
    4 October 2015 11: 33
    Both planes are good. And Su-24, and Su-34. The new must worthily continue the work of the old.

    As for specifically the Su-24 and the rising hysteria of NATO (the main thing for the USA), this is our plane, as it were, sending them greetings from the USSR. To not forget!
  27. +3
    4 October 2015 11: 40
    When will our sworn "friends" equip IS with serious air defense weapons ... Until then, this old man will spoil a lot of bad blood!
  28. +2
    4 October 2015 11: 40
    Quote: Oleneboy_
    Quote: Petergofsky73
    Good day to all forum users! This is my first comment. I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?

    How is this missing?


    I carefully watched the broadcast footage and drew attention to this. It is also curious that the color of the SU-34 is dark gray (Serdyukovskaya), and the SU-24 is silver (Shoigu). Perhaps this makes some sense. It seems to me that everything will be tested on sorties, including the best options for camouflage painting.
  29. +1
    4 October 2015 11: 47
    The old ones are old, you can’t argue, but they do their job right. Once the choice in Syria fell on them, that means the VKS leadership trusts them, and there would have been an unsuccessful machine, if it had stood in the arsenal of the Air Force for so many years. with delight, I won’t lie, I too, Irkutsk is trying, but we want more ... more modern, beautiful airplanes.
  30. +15
    4 October 2015 11: 49
    As a well-known journalist of the leading edition of the exclusive and democratic West, after asking permission from the editorial office, he called the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry with the question:

    - How do you distinguish between ordinary terrorists and moderate ones during the bombing in Syria?
    The girl switched me to the duty officer, who very politely explained:
    - Even before the start of the military operation in Syria, a decisive decision was made at the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry. The essence of this decision is our traditional desire for Russia to strictly abide by the principles of legality and justice. So now, all of our ammunition is divided into two categories: ordinary and moderate. Against ordinary terrorists, we use exclusively conventional ammunition. And against moderate terrorists, we use exclusively moderate ammunition. So don’t worry, we take into account the moderation of some of the terrorists and treat them fairly.
    After these words, it became much easier for me. But I still clarified:
    “Do you really use mild ammunition against moderate terrorists, is that true ?!”
    The interlocutor replied:
    - The word of the Russian officer!
    I felt very good. To bring final clarity, I asked:
    - Tell me, how much do your conventional ammunition differ from the moderate ones?
    - Our conventional ammunition differs from moderate ammunition, exactly as much as ordinary terrorists in Syria, differ from moderate terrorists: they are painted with a different paint, in lighter and more moderate colors - the officer answered and hung up. "

    Runet's work


    --------------------
    "How hard it is to live when no one is at war with Russia."
    Henry John Temple Palmerston, English statesman, 1848
  31. +3
    4 October 2015 11: 50
    A plane with a difficult fate.
    "Flight tests of Su-24 aircraft were accompanied by a large number of flight accidents. In total, 10 aircraft were lost, including: due to the design - 3 (breakage of the rotary pylon thrust, destruction of the left wing console rotation mechanism, failure of the aircraft longitudinal control system), all the rest - because of the AL-21F3 engine (titanium fires and explosions of combustion chambers). In addition, 4 Su-24M aircraft were lost in flight tests. Unfortunately, this was accompanied by the death of people. 13 test pilots and navigators of the OKB P. O were killed. Sukhoi, NAZ and GNIKI VVS: S. Lavrentiev, N. Rukhlyadko, V. Krechetov, M. Yurov, V. Voloshin, Yu. Yumashev, V. Kuznetsov, L. Sorokin, A. Kosarev, V. Kondratyev, A. Vlasov, V. Nikitin, G. Gridusov. Eight people ejected and survived: A. Shcherbakov, V. Dashkov, V. Plotnikov, V. Glinchikov, A. Danilin, V. Lotkov, N. Sattarov, O. Tsoi. "
    I remembered that before that there were not even numbers SU-7, SU-15, but here 24. They were prepared as an attack aircraft, but he became a front-line bomber. I remember in 75 (Lithuania or Belarus) showed the board on a joke. Asked why? And at this time, state trials either ended or went. In short showed the opportunity to see the attack. In general, the slave flew into the fragments of what the leader had sketched. He flew by and sat down with broken planes.
    1. 0
      4 October 2015 12: 39
      Quote: Bort Radist
      Prepared as an attack aircraft, but he became a front-line bomber.



      Hmm ... the Yak-28 was being prepared to replace the IL-28 front-line bomber, and it turned out to be a heavy all-weather fighter-interceptor ...

      Anything can happen ...
      1. +2
        4 October 2015 13: 00
        Quote: veksha50
        Hmm ... the Yak-28 was being prepared to replace the IL-28 front-line bomber, and it turned out to be a heavy all-weather fighter-interceptor ...

        IL - 28 can be attributed to the centenarians in Vietnam fought. I was trained as a gunner - radio operator and IL-28, and served on the AN-12.
        Anything can happen.
      2. -1
        4 October 2015 13: 05
        Yak-28L, Yak-28I- bombers, these aircraft replaced ILs, and the Yak-28P-interceptor was not related to the bombers.
        1. +2
          4 October 2015 16: 06
          Quote: bober1982
          Yak-28L, Yak-28I- bombers, these aircraft replaced ILs, and the Yak-28P-interceptor was not related to the bombers.



          IL-28 is a front-line low-speed bomber, the most reliable machine ...

          The Yak-28, which was planned for him to replace, turned out to have too high performance characteristics, for which reason it even became a fighter-interceptor ...

          But his reliability, especially as a front-line bomber, could not compare with the IL-28 ...

          In the modification of the bomber, he became the carrier of tactical nuclear weapons ... And also was used as a scout ...

          Despite the rather large number of aircraft built (and operated in combat units), it was never officially adopted for service ...
          1. 0
            4 October 2015 16: 46
            in terms of accident rate, no one could compare with the Yak-28, not only the ILs, those who flew on the Yak could fly anything. A very beautiful plane, but of course a peculiar one. The armament was personally adopted by Khrushchev, such times were. When they love talk about the complexity and accident rate of the Su-24 is empty talk.
  32. +13
    4 October 2015 11: 51
    Outdated design? For me, so handsome, swift, predatory ...
  33. -18
    4 October 2015 11: 52
    After all, we also have newer and more effective bombers - the same Su-25s, for which purpose it was necessary to send modernized but already outdated 24s to Syria?
    1. +4
      4 October 2015 12: 24
      Apparently, to solve various problems. After all, it is known that the SU-25 attack aircraft is mainly for working at low altitudes. I believe that the SU-24 fulfills an object from a great height with something heavier, and when the broads (who survived) scatter (scatter in jeeps), then the SU-25th will finish them. Sorry if a little naive, but in my opinion somehow.
      1. +3
        4 October 2015 13: 09
        I dare to suggest that the scattering may be chased by MI-24 (although he is old too, he can also "sprinkle with chalk" properly ...)
        1. 0
          4 October 2015 17: 37
          Of course, but this is already called "polish"
    2. +5
      4 October 2015 12: 26
      Quote: Wunderwaffle
      After all, we also have newer and more effective bombers - the same Su-25s, for which purpose it was necessary to send modernized but already outdated 24s to Syria?

      Su-25s are attack aircraft. I think that it makes no difference to terrorists which aircraft to die: outdated or new laughing
  34. 0
    4 October 2015 12: 01
    In general, inside is more than outside.
  35. +2
    4 October 2015 12: 03
    "however, Russian bombers with a half-century history still represent an effective means of hitting targets"...


    "Military test pilot, Hero of Russia Magomed Tolboyev compared the capabilities of the Su-25 and A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft
    Read more: http://42.tut.by/439757

    And, in general, our "old man" is superior to the amersky attack aircraft in many ways ...

    Tested and reliable weapons ... Like the AK-47, still still occasionally found on the vast expanses of the world ...
  36. +1
    4 October 2015 12: 05
    Quote: Region 23
    In Russia, not only planes but also pilots are the best in the world.

    Then I agree drinks
  37. 0
    4 October 2015 12: 10
    Explain to the illiterate: the combat radius of 560 km is normal. In my opinion, it is not serious for a bomber.
    1. +2
      4 October 2015 12: 45
      Su-24 is a front-line aircraft designed for striking targets located at the front line and in the rear of the enemy.
      The range in 560 km is quite sufficient for him.
  38. 0
    4 October 2015 12: 30
    Here. what "Khibiny" life-giving people do with their brains.
  39. 0
    4 October 2015 12: 52
    Normally, they have the task of bombing front-line targets with a maximum bomb load, several times a day.
  40. Bor
    0
    4 October 2015 13: 02
    A sense of pride has returned to our aircraft. And the name is new - the Aerospace Forces are very inspiring!
  41. +1
    4 October 2015 13: 35
    Quote: vorobey
    "The Russian Su-30SM fighter by its actions forced the pilot of the American A-10 attack aircraft to leave the airspace over Syria." - the American radio station CNN reported
    “While performing missions in the skies over Syria, our pilot was faced with a situation that forced him to leave Syrian airspace and return to the US Air Force base. In the second minute of the flight, he was intercepted by the Russian Su-30SM fighter, the pilot of which made it clear, that it is necessary to stop the flight and leave Syrian territory. I wonder how Washington will react to such “coercive” actions of Russia in the future? " - notes the host of CNN Wolf Blitzer.

    How? Hire experienced psychologists and rehabilitate the crap pilot.
  42. 0
    4 October 2015 13: 35
    The Su-24 is not a bad plane, but it's still the last century. The Su-34 has a completely different aerodynamic layout, the fuselage performs a load-bearing function, so the midship section changes its configuration from bow to tail. This is so offhand, it is still difficult to judge the combat effectiveness, to check and verify them. This is visible and planned. One of the first stories showed that there are still supplies. (on the left lower suspension of the fuselage, during landing, the KAB was observed). Of course, it's difficult to immediately sin on not dumping, perhaps it's just a controlled process. And the last, the larger number of Su-24s is also explained by probable losses, well, let's be objective, this is a war. Of course, let's hope for a successful outcome.
  43. +2
    4 October 2015 13: 38
    Quote: lonely
    Quote: Manul
    Maybe you are right in some ways, but everyone has such a compulsion, even the Americans.


    Ilya, I’m not saying that they should be immediately dumped. It’s just that the majority here are accustomed to praise and slander the same. I am tired of such a jingoistic mood. On the site, most people are engaged only in patriotism. And there are fewer and fewer professionals.

    Zadolbali called people who respect themselves, their homeland (and everything connected with it) and their president as Uriapatriots. So you are a paid troll who is feeling bad. You don’t understand the fuck yourself, but you want to teach everyone.
  44. +1
    4 October 2015 13: 44
    For a bomber, a glider is a secondary thing, a cobra or a bell does not need to be done. Well, in terms of modernization, look at what China did with the Tu-16. Highlights of modernization: The cabin is unified with 34 coys, self-diagnosis systems, and something needs to be done with the engines. Increase power and efficiency. I think the number of upgrades will be many more and serve Su 24ka for another 30-50 years.
  45. +5
    4 October 2015 14: 05
    He served as an officer on the Su-24 and Su-24M from 1982 to 1989 in all radium groups - REO, EW, PNK. Materiel worthy of respect! And, by the way, he repeatedly participated in special suspension. It was in the Air Force GSVG and the Air Force ZabVO.
  46. +2
    4 October 2015 15: 05
    For these conditions, the Su-24 is the most optimal aircraft.
    Our whole sky, no air defense, no enemy aircraft.
    So it is better to "finish off" the Su-24 resource with maximum benefit,
    than to spend and so a small resource of newer aircraft.
    New aircraft purely as a break-in released.
  47. 0
    4 October 2015 15: 38
    Quote: Kil 31
    Quote: beitar
    Quote: Hubun
    The old horse does not spoil the furrow



    But plow shallow)))

    Well, you know better. You pros don't get rid of junk. But for some reason, tell everyone that you plow deeply. hi



    From our tank fleet, the oldest are two 83 years old
  48. +1
    4 October 2015 16: 41
    The Su-24 is somewhat difficult to pilot, but with the updated elektronachinok still able for a long time to be in service and successfully operated as intended ...
  49. 0
    4 October 2015 17: 24
    It would not hurt to test the X-31P now, after all, after capturing the ISIS Syrian Air Force base, they probably acquired radars.
  50. +1
    4 October 2015 18: 05
    Aircraft like airplanes, albeit old, but working and effective against bobbins ...
    1. 740
      0
      4 October 2015 18: 25
      Quote: IAlex
      Aircraft like airplanes, albeit old, but working and effective against bobbins ...

      Baboons are very fighting monkeys laughing .
  51. Mih
    0
    4 October 2015 21: 12
    "SU-24s are an effective means of hitting targets that are at a long distance from the air base."

    If this old 3.14-dor, McCain, breaks through the supply of MANPADS to the IS militants in the Senate, then it will not seem enough. Amers, they will never agree with the strikes of the Aerospace Forces (you won’t remember crap, as the Air Force is now called). And without a ground operation, this is generally a fake. love
    1. 0
      5 October 2015 01: 01
      won't help! Since the end of the Afghan war of 1978-1989, much water has flowed under the bridge. The MANPADS still have the same IKGSN, but they learned to deceive it back in the same war by blinding the IKGSN with pulse generators. Now, electronic warfare technologies have stepped far ahead (Lever, President). The only ones for whom MANPADS are dangerous are helicopters, due to their low speed and low operational altitude.
      And the ground operation is carried out by the Syrian army and the Iranian military.
    2. 0
      5 October 2015 14: 17
      This is an old Su-24m, but with a new breo aiming and navigation system. In essence, the Su-24M is an aviation platform with the ability not only to use high-precision weapons, but it itself is a high-precision weapon. Those. even the use of free-falling air bombs makes it possible to achieve accuracy comparable to the use of x-29, x-25 missiles and modifications. Thus, an increased air strike power is achieved while maintaining accuracy and, most importantly, the cost per strike is reduced. With regard to the possibility of using American-made MANPADS in Syria against Russian Air Force, then the political factor will most likely play here. Suppose that MANPADS will be supplied to the Syrian opposition. And what will happen tomorrow. These MANPADS will appear in ISIS both in Iraq and Afghanistan. against Russia. There are no and cannot be such guarantees. Therefore, there are no idiots in the Pentagon and there will be no supplies of MANPADS. Our job is to help them destroy their common enemies. The more radical Islamists in the Middle East are destroyed, the less they will not appear in our country. We all remember Budenovsk, Beslan, Moscow. Somehow we don’t want to anymore.
  52. 0
    4 October 2015 22: 09
    People. A tricky question .... why don't they say anything about MiGs. We have cool MiGs.
  53. 0
    4 October 2015 22: 43
    Quote: vodolaz
    Well, by the way, the A-10 is also never new, I don’t like Americans, but I can’t but admit that Borodovachnik and Su-24 are very successful aircraft. It is not in vain that they are still being upgraded, extended their operation and used, and very successfully.



    A-10 - pure attack aircraft, battlefield aircraft; it is more correct to compare it with the Su-25.
    Although ... "Rook" is not a friend of the "African Pig"! am
  54. 0
    5 October 2015 01: 08
    Quote from Mushket
    People. A tricky question .... why don't they say anything about MiGs. We have cool MiGs.

    Regarding the Mig29, I think for several reasons: a weak radar, a small radius of action and, as a result, the impossibility of a long loitering. The MiG-29 is best used with full radar control of a certain area of ​​​​airspace, or with the presence of its own AWACS aircraft in the sky. Those Mig29 that are are outdated both morally and physically, there are new Mig29smt, but there are few of them, and they need to be removed from combat duty, which is also not ice. Mig35 has not yet been accepted into service. The MiG31s have nothing to do in Syria, not the scope of the theater of operations. I hope that I correctly described the situation.
  55. +2
    5 October 2015 07: 03
    I read with interest everything on this site, especially about airplanes.
    I would like to add a few words about Su-24. I see this bomber every day, fortunately they constantly fly over Chelyabinsk) it annoys many, but I like the car! On the contrary, you sleep more calmly when you know that you are being protected.
    Several August photos from the Aviation Day at the airbase, when I had the opportunity to get to know these wonderful aircraft better. And in the anniversary coloring we also have.
    Good luck to our guys and those in Syria.





    And vidyushechka. 24th at the beginning.

  56. 0
    5 October 2015 08: 03
    Old but useful!
  57. 0
    5 October 2015 10: 54
    Quote: Volka
    down

    An airplane is only a means of delivering weapons, and the ammunition itself and the guidance system are new, so this friend can still serve the Motherland!
  58. 0
    5 October 2015 11: 13
    Quote: CONNECTING ROD VDVshny
    .read yesterday:
    on the night of October 1-2, six Russian Su-30SM fighters intercepted four Israeli McDonnell Douglas F-15s. The Israeli Air Force flight plan was to pass through Lebanon to Syria and follow the coast to Latakia (goals and objectives remained unclear). After that , as the Russian Su-30s were raised into the sky, about which the F-15 pilots were notified, the Israeli fighters turned sharply to the south and flew back over Lebanon at high speed (apparently meaning afterburner). This incident shocked the Israeli military command of the Air Force .

    We decided to probe the air defense of the Russian air base before bombing it by "mistake" in order to help, well, or demonstrate, to our friends from different "fronts" there and prevent Russia and Syria from completing large-scale preparations for the offensive to the end. Some of the militants have already been demoralized by a sharp reduction in the assistance of "friends" from the Western coalition - they expected opposition to Russia's actions in Syria, but received a systematic defeat of the infrastructure for command and coordination of actions. We are waiting for a broad offensive of the SAR ground forces in strategic directions, good luck to them! drinks
  59. +1
    5 October 2015 11: 24
    Why is such a combat load scanty? With an empty weight of 22300 kg, 7500 carries a total, are there no composite materials or what?
  60. 0
    5 October 2015 11: 36
    Quote: Hubun
    The old horse does not spoil the furrow


    Given the fact that they have not been produced since 1993.
  61. 0
    5 October 2015 12: 42
    Here the matter is in the aircraft itself, and in its proper maintenance at the base in Latakia, and in the pilot,
    and as target designation (which the Americans do not have; Russian bombers, on the other hand, are guided by Syrian, Iranian and Iraqi intelligence (which the United States does not have), and the data of our satellites, and intelligence on their own over the battlefield. If they overlap all these sources, then you can bomb. And the results are right.
  62. 0
    5 October 2015 13: 49
    I suppose that in the existing air grouping, a certain "heterogeneity" of aircraft types has been thought out in accordance with the tactics of their combat use: 1. Preparation for possible work of attack aircraft is assigned to the Su-24 - cutting off intermediate supply bases, ammunition depots and headquarters, as well as possible air defense systems. 2. Stripping the leading edge - Su-25. 3. Destruction of the main supply bases, communication centers and headquarters (hard-to-reach, buried, highly protected) of the highest level - Su-34 and Su-24. 4. Covering the "rear" from "curious" amers and proamers (as is the case with the Israeli F-15), that is, the "polite" creation of a no-fly zone - the Su-30. Undoubtedly, along with combat activities, there is a "run-in" of equipment, pilots and technicians, of course, new tactics are being worked out.
  63. 0
    5 October 2015 13: 57
    there you need a new plane in the old glider
  64. 0
    5 October 2015 18: 24
    Quote: beer-youk
    Until then, this old man will spoil a lot of bad blood!


    Not only spoil, but also drink faceted glasses!
  65. 0
    5 October 2015 22: 11
    it’s not without reason that, according to Nata’s classification, he is a “fencer.” He inflicts precise point deadly injections to the side
  66. 0
    6 October 2015 14: 56
    I did not find an article on RIA (some people have a stupid habit of giving a link to the main page, instead of a specific one), but on the American site there really is such an article http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/what-russias-enemies-syria- should-fear-the-
    su-24-fencer-13996
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  68. 0
    6 October 2015 20: 42
    Announcers today announced on official Russian news channels that Russia has denied having pursued two Turkish planes with its MIG-29 plane, as the planes of this model were not flown to Syria.
    Question. Was there a boy? And the possible answer is yes! After all, there are a certain number of MIG-29s in the arsenal of NATO countries. So it is quite possible that there was a setup. If they had DRY - there would be a setup with SU - and so - they were blinded from what was.