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NI: the outdated appearance of the Su-24 - a deceptive thing

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The Su-24 variable sweep bomber is a proven combat vehicle capable of providing the Russian air group in Syria with the effectiveness of long-range strike operations, according to an article published in National Interest magazine. Article translation leads RIA News.




“In some respects, the Su-24 (according to NATO’s Fencer codification,“ Fencer ”) may even be more useful for carrying out operations than the multi-purpose fighter-bomber Su-34 that attracts everyone’s attention,” the author writes.

He notes that "despite the outdated design of the Su-24 (this aircraft was developed back in the 1960-ies), Russia has modernized the fleet of these bombers and equipped them with modern systems."

“Thus, the upgraded Su-24 has a glass cockpit, GLONASS satellite navigation systems, instrument display systems on the windshield and air-to-air self-defense. On board the aircraft can be guided missiles of air-to-air class of short-range P-73. In addition, a bomber can carry high-precision guided munitions ", - the author reports.

According to the magazine, "the maximum combat load of the aircraft is 7500 kg, the combat radius of the Su-24 is 560 km, and the latest modifications are equipped with an air refueling system." The aircraft is capable of striking targets at low altitudes.

Moreover, in Syria, Su-24 can be used for reconnaissance operations.

Su-24 per day can rise to 30 times, “however, it is not known how many pilots who can control these machines are at the air base in Lattakia and how technical support is provided for the aircraft,” the author notes.

According to the magazine, these aircraft "will be replaced in the future by the Su-34, but Russian bombers with half a century history still represent an effective means for hitting targets that are at a long distance from the air base in Latakia ".
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  1. Hubun
    Hubun 4 October 2015 11: 02 New
    109
    The old horse does not spoil the furrow
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 4 October 2015 11: 06 New
      64
      Although the model is old, but modernized. In Syria, just need a proven "workhorse". At the same time, and Su-34 extra points to the reputation will earn extra money.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 4 October 2015 11: 10 New
        22
        Quote: oleg-gr
        modernized.

        Мне больше нравится словосочетание "доведенная до ума", или "доделанная".
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        2. hrych
          hrych 4 October 2015 11: 32 New
          34
          Has become more perfect
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 4 October 2015 12: 08 New
            11
            Quote: hrych
            Has become more perfect



            Кстати, то, что эта "Армия ислама" объявила войну России - считай, одну из своих целей США достигли... Перенаправить вектор с себя, любимых, в российскую сторону...
            1. hrych
              hrych 4 October 2015 12: 24 New
              52
              ISIS declared war on the United States, France, Egypt, Turkey, Israel, ... even Japan, as well as Al Qaeda and the Taliban, but only Russia decided to bang it.
              1. figwam
                figwam 4 October 2015 12: 30 New
                31
                Su-24MR in a jubilee color.
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 4 October 2015 13: 26 New
                  10
                  Quote: Figwam
                  Su-24MR in a jubilee color.

                  The red-headed Guardsman is not for you the Khuhr of the Muhra - this is the northern fur-bearing animal to the adversary
                  1. Talgat
                    Talgat 5 October 2015 18: 03 New
                    +4
                    One word - a time-tested workhorse - performs the task

                    In general, I could not believe that Russia would come realistically — with its own help to help — I thought that the Syrians and Iranians would fight with the hezbollah there, and Russia and China would only cover up at the UN and supply supplies

                    Probably now in Iran and at the IRGC with Hezbollah a holiday - the Russian Federation was identified openly and extended a hand to friends
                2. Volga Cossack
                  Volga Cossack 5 October 2015 09: 30 New
                  0
                  handsome !!!! I have no words......
                3. Volga Cossack
                  Volga Cossack 5 October 2015 09: 30 New
                  0
                  handsome !!!! I have no words......
              2. veksha50
                veksha50 4 October 2015 12: 45 New
                +8
                Quote: hrych
                but only Russia decided to bang him.



                A Russian warrior will not offend a child ... But he will destroy an enemy ...


                Apparently, neither the states nor the IG took this factor into account ...
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 4 October 2015 13: 11 New
              +3
              And these bloodthirsty earcaps were created against us.
          2. hrych
            hrych 4 October 2015 14: 58 New
            66
            He declared war yesterday ... and interesting news has already arrived today - the leader of the Jaish al-Islam group, Sheikh Zahran Allush, has been eliminated.
            1. alone
              alone 4 October 2015 15: 16 New
              12
              Quote: hrych
              He declared war yesterday ... and interesting news has already arrived today - the leader of the Jaish al-Islam group, Sheikh Zahran Allush, has been eliminated.

              It’s not the protection of Allush. This was killed more than a year ago during the assault on the Aleppo prison complex. There are even shots of his death. I don’t remember exactly the Dagestan, or the Chechen, but he planted the Syrian army heavily, mostly taking weapons depots.
              1. kit-kat
                kit-kat 5 October 2015 10: 10 New
                +1
                But he planted the Syrian army heavily, mostly taking weapons depots.
                You might have wanted to say annoyed?
              2. hrych
                hrych 5 October 2015 22: 09 New
                +4
                This feces is certainly not taken. And he was also depressed after he challenged who should not have done this. Yes, and Allush is unlikely to have such a charming hrypalnik; rather, he generally does not have a face even a dull one, a piece of smoked pork like Shamilka ...
            2. veksha50
              veksha50 4 October 2015 15: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: hrych
              He declared war yesterday ... and today interesting news has come



              Let others think about how to declare war on Russia ...

              PS Do without an ice ax ???
            3. Kent0001
              Kent0001 4 October 2015 20: 31 New
              +3
              Yes, he was depressed in a good way.
            4. seregatara1969
              seregatara1969 5 October 2015 22: 09 New
              +2
              sorry man, he would live and live but killed by electricity (the battery fell on his head)
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      2. Alexey Boukin
        Alexey Boukin 4 October 2015 12: 41 New
        +6
        Главное не "возраст", а результаты работы, которые этот самолет показывает в частности в Сирии. Не понимаю, что же там делали американские летчики до сих пор? Видимость борьбы с террористами?..
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 4 October 2015 13: 12 New
          +7
          Armed under the guise of ISIS.
        2. serega73
          serega73 4 October 2015 14: 41 New
          +7
          у нас подобное занятие называлось "работать в режиме ИБД" - имитация бурной деятельности. Ну, еще бонусы какие-никакие зарабатывали...
    2. Infinity
      Infinity 4 October 2015 11: 06 New
      +6
      In-in. And the technology is always being modernized.
      Moreover, the Russian Federation has other cars.
      1. avt
        avt 4 October 2015 11: 36 New
        17
        Quote: Infinity
        Moreover, the Russian Federation has other cars.

        Такого класса нет . Более легкие были Су-17 и МиГ-27 ,тупо сгноили на ,,хранении". А жаль ! Вот их бы вполне можно было бы сирийцам передать ,ну хотя бы МиГ-27 , который индиянцы до сих пор пользуют под индийским названием ,,Бахатур". smile
        Quote: Infinity
        And the technology is always being modernized.

        In principle, the modernization of the Su-24 is successful, and the car is strict, but it has served itself faithfully, this airplane is attractive to me - it is so ... classic and original at the same time. However, the airframe resource is not eternal and it cannot be infinitely upgraded, well, the equipment wears out. One thing is good - they saved the Su-90 in the 34s! Yes, and now they are making a series. good
      2. ZU-23
        ZU-23 4 October 2015 12: 27 New
        +6
        Yeah, they are with us, they were made 50 years in advance laughing
    3. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 4 October 2015 11: 10 New
      48
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow

      What howl begins and not in vain ....
      In the United States, a poorly concealed panic began - they do not see Russian fighters.

      From the word at all. This is the only explanation for all the nonsense that the media carry in response to the question of how Russian fighters ended up in Syria. And if NATO’s military radars in Turkey and Bulgaria did not see their flight, then it means that all the air-to-air system emails do not see them either. And that’s all. ALL! The United States does not have fighter aircraft. Also from the word at all. And I understand how this is possible. If not ... then this could have been done already in the late 80s.

      http://kanchukov-sa.livejournal.com/5475649.html

      Вспоминается "Кук" в Черном море ...)))))
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 4 October 2015 11: 32 New
        +2
        А при чём здесь "Кук". На картинке-то не Су-24?
        1. sergius60
          sergius60 5 October 2015 01: 19 New
          +3
          Имеется ввиду использование систем РЭБ. По "Адмиралу Куку" тогда сработали системой "Хибины" и взяли на сопровождение комплексом "Бастион". А так-как были "непонятки" - корабль на боевом, связи нет, тревога то-же "по-взрослому"... Кто умный - вспомнил о "карибском кризисе". Посоны и перенервничали.
          А "невидимость", понятно только для РЛС, наверное обеспечивает система "Кенгуру"... Довели до ума всё таки, паршивцы.;-) Давненько о ней поговаривали.
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 4 October 2015 11: 33 New
        15
        Su-24 per day can rise up to 30 times

        Well, this will sunk, so it will !!! smile
        1. skifd
          skifd 4 October 2015 11: 47 New
          +9
          Here is a link to a very interesting map (satellite), with the applied (updated) points processed by our VKS:

          https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z4PF1SFiMPjQ.kFa_qMMdFl48
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      3. bulvas
        bulvas 4 October 2015 11: 57 New
        +5
        Quote: MIKHAN
        What howl begins and not in vain ....


        This, of course, is all pleasing to our ear and eye, but I hope who needs good

        understand that first of all, this howl raises the American military-industrial complex through its people

        in the Pentagon
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    4. gjv
      gjv 4 October 2015 11: 54 New
      +6
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow

      Yes. However, it is good that the second part of the saying does not work here.
      Plows deep enough ...
    5. wk
      wk 4 October 2015 13: 28 New
      -9
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow

      but a new one will not be plowed!
      1. Hubun
        Hubun 4 October 2015 18: 51 New
        +3
        this one is plowing, already plowing, god forbid
    6. serega73
      serega73 4 October 2015 14: 38 New
      +4
      and plows as deep as the young ones)))
    7. vodolaz
      vodolaz 4 October 2015 14: 55 New
      +9
      Well, by the way, the A-10 is also never new, I don’t like Americans, but I can’t but admit that Borodovachnik and Su-24 are very successful aircraft. It is not in vain that they are still being upgraded, extended their operation and used, and very successfully.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 5 October 2015 19: 06 New
        +2
        Насчет "бородавочника" согласен, но я его сравнил бы с Су-25. А Су-25 приятней для глаза.
        1. tracker
          tracker 6 October 2015 12: 41 New
          0
          A-10 is very good, analogue of our SU-25
    8. Yogaradz
      Yogaradz 4 October 2015 15: 42 New
      +5
      The remains of the heritage of the Great USSR will still serve the glory of Russia!
    9. Kent0001
      Kent0001 4 October 2015 20: 30 New
      +1
      Here is such a reserve of modernization laid in Soviet weapons !!!
    10. forester
      forester 4 October 2015 23: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow

      Чёт вспомнилось - "старый но небезполезный")))
    11. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 5 October 2015 15: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow

      ... but will not plow deeply ...
    12. Petrol
      Petrol 5 October 2015 17: 27 New
      0
      даже если и старый добрый Су в модификации "М" отработает РБК то вряд ли на открытой местности, что то живое выживет или Х-23 над зонтиком ПВО с дистанции 9 км возьмёт и защищенную цель!
    13. JACTUS RECTUS
      JACTUS RECTUS 6 October 2015 01: 42 New
      +1
      I don’t understand what these cries of the bourgeoisie about the fact that the SU-24 is old, let it be written about the F-16, it’s generally the same age as our Drying !!!
    14. zao74
      zao74 6 October 2015 08: 12 New
      0
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow
      but doesn’t plow even deeper, but lies in a furrow and sleeps.))
    15. gav6757
      gav6757 7 October 2015 00: 49 New
      0
      But it will not plow deeply!
      An urgent need to change the fleet, because after Syria we can expect a more serious enemy than ISIS!
  2. Kenji
    Kenji 4 October 2015 11: 03 New
    10
    Another evidence that the cover is not judged, the main thing is the filling.
    1. captain
      captain 4 October 2015 11: 25 New
      0
      Sorry, but in general they are greeted by clothes, but escorted by the mind. Which by the way, these modernized machines proved.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 4 October 2015 12: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: captain
        Sorry, but in general they are met by clothes, and see off the mind. Which by the way, these modernized machines proved.


        In this case - carried out upon.
    2. ROD VDVshny
      ROD VDVshny 4 October 2015 12: 04 New
      52
      В очередной раз сожалею, что пропал Профессор и иже с ним. Как ни крути, а основные события разворачиваются рядом с ними, и любит Профессор вместе "со своим любимым компьютером" порассуждать о возможностях нашей техники, и вот она, в боевом применении, а тихо то как????
      "Двадцатьчетверка" свой ресурс не выработала, мне представляется правильным её использование для выполнения задач в борьбе с ИГИЛ, а модернизацию устаревших образцов вооружения с адаптацией под новые виды боеприпасов, и придание им новых возможностей, считаю правильным шагом.
      Глупо выкладывать все свои козыри сразу, наши новехонькие "бронепоезда пусть пока постоят на запасных путях" lol бо "доброжелательных соседей" и просто хапуг вокруг нас просто немерено.
      I also want to ask those who know to comment on this ... I read it yesterday:
      On the night of October 1 to 2, six Russian Su-30SM fighters intercepted four Israeli McDonnell Douglas F-15s. The Israeli Air Force flight plan was to go through Lebanon to Syria and continue along the coast to Latakia (goals and objectives remained unclear). After that As the Russian Su-30s were lifted into the sky, as F-15 pilots were notified, Israeli fighters turned sharply south and at high speed (apparently the afterburner) flew back over Lebanon. This incident shocked the Israeli military command . Israel believes that in the event of an F-15 military clash with the Russian Su-30SM, this would lead to the loss of all 4 Israeli air force fighters. The Israeli command tried to object to the Russian air forces, but after the question of why the Israeli air forces were in the sky of Syria, they quickly fell silent. The Lebanese army reported that at 23 hours 13 minutes Israeli Air Force planes crossed the border of Lebanese airspace in the direction of Syria.
      1. skifd
        skifd 4 October 2015 12: 29 New
        17
        Цитата: ШАТУН ВДВшный
        that Professor was gone


        Да ну ... Никуда не пропал , в соседней ветке про ГЛОНАСС как обычно "троллит" ! wassat laughing
        1. Born in the USSR
          Born in the USSR 4 October 2015 12: 39 New
          18
          Judging by the minus, he read you laughing wassat
      2. Darwin
        Darwin 4 October 2015 12: 36 New
        11
        No, I didn’t disappear at a neighboring story in Syria. Reptiles like missed, bombs by. Although he was noted on the first day of the operation of our pilots, the tone of comments of this troll has not changed and will be crap. Such is nature
        1. Yngvar
          Yngvar 5 October 2015 11: 52 New
          +2
          Born to crap can not praise ...
      3. Born in the USSR
        Born in the USSR 4 October 2015 12: 38 New
        +3
        Цитата: ШАТУН ВДВшный
        disappeared Professor

        Да не пишут "бледно голубые со звездой" в таких темах, о чем вы?!
      4. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 4 October 2015 12: 44 New
        23
        Было такое дело.Причём наши самолёты вышли на "боевой режим" как сказали израильские лётчики.Скорее всего по старой памяти хотели бомбануть Асада,но теперь,как говориться,над Сирией наши бесполётную зону организовывают.Отчего п.и.н.до.стан корёжит.
  3. kraz
    kraz 4 October 2015 11: 06 New
    0
    Still, his nose is prettier than the SU-34 yes
    1. Rader
      Rader 4 October 2015 11: 11 New
      25
      Quote: kraz
      Still, his nose is prettier than the SU-34 yes

      А мне "утенок" больше нравится laughing As they say: taste and color ... smile
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 4 October 2015 11: 20 New
        16
        Quote: Rader
        А мне "утенок" больше нравится Как говорится: на вкус и цвет...

        A duckling can fly across the sky for five hours, and there are sartirs where you can wet the borach. He would have come up with a bomb refueling
        1. Rader
          Rader 4 October 2015 11: 42 New
          +6
          Quote: Tusv
          Quote: Rader
          А мне "утенок" больше нравится Как говорится: на вкус и цвет...

          A duckling can fly for five hours across the sky and sartir iswhere you can wet the borach. He would have come up with a bomb refueling

          You forgot to say about the microwave laughing
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 4 October 2015 12: 27 New
            +7
            Quote: Rader
            You forgot to say about the microwave

            By the way, also an important detail laughing
            I forgot to say that these psissy carry
            Quote: M. Bulgakov through the mouth of a Hippopotamus
            not nonsense, but a string of densely packed syllogisms

            FAB-500 and PETAB-500. StarThe West is in shock
            1. avt
              avt 4 October 2015 13: 07 New
              +5
              Quote: Tusv
              I forgot to say that these psissy carry

              Quote: Tusv
              FAB-500 and PETAB-500. StarWhock in shock

              Here is someone from the West and minus awarded in spite for pissed shorts laughing But in fairness, for the sake of Su-24, they were feared as a carrier of tactical nuclear weapons, which was perfectly imprisoned for use on a European theater of operations.
          2. gjv
            gjv 4 October 2015 20: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Rader
            You forgot to say about the microwave

            Wave - Exotic. Mostly so ...
          3. Corsair
            Corsair 5 October 2015 10: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: Rader
            You forgot to say about the microwave

            laughing what for she in a cabin to him? a microwave there in the nose and not only built-in, but grub in banks with self-heating))
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        3. gjv
          gjv 4 October 2015 12: 32 New
          20
          Quote: Tusv
          and there is a sartir, where you can wet the borach

          Sartir, sorry, this is when for boys and for girls. But there it’s still quite specific ...

          Here, use it for its intended purpose, and then throw it on top of the bearded man, even if they wash ...
          1. dudinets
            dudinets 4 October 2015 18: 55 New
            +1
            no, I heard a full pot there. so there will be a real BONBA!
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            2. gjv
              gjv 4 October 2015 20: 24 New
              +5
              Quote: Dudinets
              no, I heard a full pot there. so there will be a real BONBA!

              Дмитрий, а вот "место для размышлений" на Ту-95. Про него и слышал. Но в Сирии Ту-95 пока не "гостят".

              But IL-476 may be visiting Latakia. It’s necessary to deliver ...
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            4. a.hamster55
              a.hamster55 5 October 2015 09: 52 New
              +1
              Yes, bonba - volumetric flow around! And it is better from the pigsty in the tank and pour it on the head. I hope this is not prohibited by convention.
              1. Yngvar
                Yngvar 5 October 2015 11: 56 New
                0
                From the pigsty !? Yes, this is an inhuman weapon !!! Already at least from the barn ...
          2. amber-50
            amber-50 5 October 2015 12: 19 New
            0
            And what if you bomb this full tank from the top?
      2. kraz
        kraz 4 October 2015 11: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Rader
        А мне "утенок" больше нравится

        laughing laughing laughing
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 4 October 2015 12: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: Rader
        Rader Today, 11:11 ↑ New
        Quote: kraz
        Still, his nose is prettier,than the SU-34
        А мне "утенок" больше нравится Как говорится: to taste and color..



        Noses and color will be measured, or the effectiveness of combat use ??? !!!
        1. Rader
          Rader 4 October 2015 13: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: veksha50
          Quote: Rader
          Rader Today, 11:11 ↑ New
          Quote: kraz
          Still, his nose is prettier,than the SU-34
          А мне "утенок" больше нравится Как говорится: to taste and color..



          Noses and color will be measured, or the effectiveness of combat use ??? !!!


          Naturally in color! (Because If you measure your noses, I will go around 34 and 24) wassat Well, as you noticed, in my commentary I touched only on the aesthetic qualities of Su 34 and Su 24. And the effectiveness of combat use is a completely different story, and operate on this indicator without accurate information about the number of sorties, their results, etc. I consider unauthorized hi
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 4 October 2015 15: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: Rader
            If you measure your noses, then I will go around 34 and 24)



            I probably won’t leave me alone ...

            However, he considered himself competent to express his point of view ... We are talking about the effectiveness of aircraft and their combat use ... And which one is more beautiful ??? I like ALL Soviet and Russian aircraft, absolutely ...

            We joked - we parted ... hi
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          3. gjv
            gjv 4 October 2015 20: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Rader
            the effectiveness of combat use is a completely different story, and operate on this indicator without accurate information on the number of sorties, their results, etc. I consider unauthorized

            The application is polite.

            In the evening and at night, as a result of 6 sorties from the KhMEIMIM air base, targeted attacks were carried out on 3 objects of terrorist infrastructure.
            A precision strike of the BETAB-500 concrete-to-air bombs from the Su-34 aircraft near the settlement of RACKA destroyed a protected command post of one of the gangs, as well as an underground bunker with an explosives and ammunition storage.

            In the IDLIB province in the JISR-ESH-SHUGUR area, the Su-24M front-line bombers destroyed storage facilities for military equipment used by militants to prepare terrorist attacks.

            In addition, an air strike was inflicted on the base of militants located in the same area, as a result of which the warehouses of weapons and material and technical property located on this object were completely destroyed.

            A direct hit of the bomb destroyed a workshop in which large-caliber machine guns and other heavy weapons were mounted on off-road vehicles.
            [img]https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12118832_1667573


            603485389_7493474697085839827_n.jpg [/ img]

            A Su-34 front-line bomber struck a point blow at the ISIS militant camp in the area of ​​MAARET-EN-NUMUMAN, IDLIB province, corrected by the KAB-500 aerial bomb. According to objective control, the fortifications of the terrorists were destroyed, ammunition depots, fuels and lubricants, and 7 pieces of equipment were destroyed.
            We note that the probable circular deviation from the target of the corrected KAB-500 bombs does not exceed 5 meters. Over the past few days, these and other high-precision weapons have been used point-by-point at ISIS terrorist facilities: command posts, ammunition depots and fuel and lubricants, and workshops where suicide bombers are made.
            The work of any air defense weapons in the areas of use of Russian aircraft in Syria has not been fixed.
            Despite this, special airborne protection systems are used for all sorties made by our aircraft.
            We focus on the fact that the crosshair on published frames of objective control is not the aiming point for the use of ammunition, but the focus center of the video camera of an unmanned aerial vehicle that monitors the results of the defeat.
      4. Darwin
        Darwin 4 October 2015 12: 41 New
        +3
        It seems to me that this duckling will still remind of himself in history and more than once
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    3. Dmitry Toderes
      Dmitry Toderes 4 October 2015 11: 20 New
      47
      Quote: kraz
      Still, his nose is prettier than the SU-34 yes


      No. Su-34 is more beautiful. Su-34 is just a starship, which came out of computer games in reality.
      1. kraz
        kraz 4 October 2015 11: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Dmitry Toderese
        Su-34 is more beautiful.

        Everything, everything, everything understood. Men just do not hit bully
  4. horoh
    horoh 4 October 2015 11: 07 New
    +5
    A good plane, and still serve !!!
  5. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 4 October 2015 11: 07 New
    35
    And I like it, it looks cool, he still has to live and live. Russia will bring order back to life)))
  6. Orlenok ILLI4A
    Orlenok ILLI4A 4 October 2015 11: 07 New
    15
    У морячков "Дональда Кука" спросите,насколько устарел Су-24.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 4 October 2015 11: 12 New
      71
      boogie-ha-ha !!
      1. rererilka
        rererilka 4 October 2015 11: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        boogie-ha-ha !!

        Though bu-ha-ha. They ran, like in the Boilers near Peter, in the OZK, and at that time, near the flyers, they attacked the attack airfield. In general, what was poured out of stockings, you don’t understand, either sweat, or else, there wasn’t brown, really, but ... what Then they laughed, of course request
        1. rererilka
          rererilka 5 October 2015 01: 29 New
          +5
          In general, from a border guard, a helicopter pilot, he didn’t just give it away, they exist while such songs are being written
          Will live.
    2. Manul
      Manul 4 October 2015 11: 54 New
      +7
      Цитата: Orlenok ILLI4A
      У морячков "Дональда Кука" спросите,насколько устарел Су-24.

      Сразу после истории с Дональдом Кука какое-то западное издание по "устаревшему" виду самолета и прошлось.Это не они же были часом? А теперь дизайн резко стал нравиться? Вывод - дизайн всегда определяется функциональностью.Чем выше эффективность - тем красивее кажется эта техника и врагам и союзникам.
  7. kil 31
    kil 31 4 October 2015 11: 09 New
    +6
    He notes that "despite the outdated design of the Su-24 (this aircraft was developed back in the 1960-ies), Russia has modernized the fleet of these bombers and equipped them with modern systems." Well, yes design is the main thing, as in a car salon. I like this machine because she has a pretty face. lol
  8. Tusv
    Tusv 4 October 2015 11: 09 New
    +3
    Yes, yes. The old man is terrified. And this is just the four old men who worked. The world is in shock
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 4 October 2015 12: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Tusv
      Yes, yes. The old man is terrified.



      I’m terrified not by the face ... Do not drink water from the face ... I’m terrified by the application ...

      P.S. Скоро ему НАТОвцы погоняло присвоят "Европеец"... Всю муть метлой в Европу сметает...
  9. alone
    alone 4 October 2015 11: 10 New
    17
    ))) More recently, many forum users sitting here (some former Pilots with a capital letter) claimed that the Su-24 is a very moody plane with a high accident rate. They also claimed that not every pilot is able to fly it.


    Статья всего навсего перевод с какого то забугорного издания.А остальные комментарии насчет того,что "старый конь борозды не портит",скажу одно.ВКС вынужденно послало су-24 туда.Потому что более современных су-34 недостаточно много.Это факт
    1. yushch
      yushch 4 October 2015 11: 33 New
      +8
      How is it forced to be sent? Do you know the word resource? Why send a bunch of the latest 35s if there is a 24e brought to mind. The Moscow Region announced that the 24th will be in operation until their resource is fully depleted with further decommissioning. And to identify weak points in 34k with intensive combat use, four units are enough. I am not a pilot, but I know that it is difficult to control airplanes with an arrow-shaped wing, which is why they switched to a variable wing-shaped sweep to facilitate takeoff and landing.
      1. clidon
        clidon 4 October 2015 20: 53 New
        +1
        "Кучу 35-х" нужно ещё на вооружение вначале принять. Отправляли, то что было наиболее отработано и исправно на момент...
    2. Rader
      Rader 4 October 2015 11: 37 New
      +7
      With you,
      alone
      , I agree ... And vaf (Sergey) said many times that the machine does not forgive mistakes ... But what was left to do?
      About
      Su-24s can rise up to 30 times per day, “however, it is not known how many pilots capable of controlling these aircraft are at the air base in Latakia and how technical support for aircraft is provided ”, notes the author.

      Well, something tells me that since they brought planes and pilots, they didn’t forget about those personnel ... Yes, and IL76 was obviously not carrying potatoes smile
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 4 October 2015 12: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Rader
        Yes, and IL76 was clearly not transporting potatoes



        Yes, and the Tu-154 is not empty, most likely, it was coming ... And this is somewhere up to 150 personnel ...
        1. Just BB
          Just BB 7 October 2015 05: 21 New
          0
          Ага, ещё можно было бы написать, что "туполь" прилетел с бригадой стюардес fellow для "маршала" "Это не серьёзно!"
      2. ydjin
        ydjin 5 October 2015 07: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Rader

        Well, something tells me that since they brought planes and pilots, they didn’t forget about those personnel ... Yes, and IL76 was obviously not carrying potatoes smile

        They probably brought the same potato, but what kind of borsch, without potato ?! laughing
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    4. KnightRider
      KnightRider 4 October 2015 11: 39 New
      13
      Quote: lonely
      .VKS forcedly sent the su-24 there. Because more modern su-34s are not enough. This is a fact

      Su-24 in Syria 12 pcs. There are about 34 Su-70 aircraft in the Russian Aerospace Forces. So, the matter is most likely not in quantity.
      1. Rader
        Rader 4 October 2015 11: 54 New
        +6
        Su-24 in Syria 12 pcs. There are about 34 Su-70 aircraft in the Russian Aerospace Forces. So, the matter is most likely not in quantity.

        Well, you see, almost 10% of fleet 34 is in a foreign land (and they, the infection, are expensive, and it’s scary for them laughing ) wassat In general, the use of Su34 in many situations is redundant, enough of the old men of the 24s. And the 24th themselves are great for this theater.
        1. Tambov Wolf
          Tambov Wolf 4 October 2015 14: 08 New
          -15
          In fact, the Su-34 covers the space above Syria from other people's planes. This is their main task. And 24 and 25 are the main work on the bombing.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 4 October 2015 14: 11 New
            16
            Цитата: Тамбовский Волк
            Actually Su-34 cover the space above Syria from alien aircraft. This is their main task. And 24 and 25 carry out the main work. by bombing.

            Really? wassat Sometimes it's better to keep silent ...
            1. Tambov Wolf
              Tambov Wolf 4 October 2015 16: 09 New
              0
              Это Вам лучше помолчать.Уже в новостях и интернете об этом писали.Да и вылеты проводят с ракетами ближнего радиуса действия "воздух-воздух" по штуке на одну подвеску на крыле.А вот 24 и 25 чисто на бомбёжку летают.И про флот я писал,что станет на прикрытие.Тоже данные в сети появились.Кто же тогда отправил назад израильские самолёты? Что,500 кг бомбами по Ф-16 бить бы стали?Надо мил человек не на одном сайте тусоваться,а смотреть разные и головой,а не другими частями тела выводы делать.И вдобавок к размышлению-СУ-34-многофункциональный летательный аппарат,а не чистый бомбёр.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 5 October 2015 00: 26 New
                +7
                Цитата: Тамбовский Волк
                Это Вам лучше помолчать.Уже в новостях и интернете об этом писали.Да и вылеты проводят с ракетами ближнего радиуса действия "воздух-воздух"
                - there they hang out to cover the SU-30SM. SU-34 for difficult tasks, as I understand it. Well, for example, to gouge a heavily fortified underground bunker, they say that there are even a couple of CIA officers with officers from Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. It is unlikely that the latest concrete-piercing bombs were developed under the SU-24; they were developed just under the SU-34 and newer models, including the PAK FA.
                1. tracker
                  tracker 6 October 2015 13: 00 New
                  0
                  ODABs are probably used with BetAB, but as for the Amer’s specialists, our general directly told the Amers, take your instructors away, and there they are teeming in each bunker, it looks like grave-coffins with a star-striped flag are already on their way to their homeland
              2. Bongo
                Bongo 5 October 2015 01: 26 New
                +1
                Цитата: Тамбовский Волк
                It’s nice that a person doesn’t hang out on one site, but look at different conclusions with his head and not with other parts of the body. And in addition to thinking, SU-34 is a multifunctional aircraft, not a pure bomber.

                Dear Tambov Wolf, you as a knowledgeable person and, unlike me, a sir, unconditionally deeply versed in the capabilities and characteristics of domestic combat aircraft, recall what other UR air combat besides the P-73 carries the Su-34?
              3. skazochnik
                skazochnik 5 October 2015 02: 13 New
                +4
                Цитата: Тамбовский Волк
                Да и вылеты проводят с ракетами ближнего радиуса действия "воздух-воздух" по штуке на одну подвеску на крыле.А вот 24 и 25 чисто на бомбёжку летают.


                I’ll tell you a secret that air-to-air missiles are capable of using the 24s and 25s you mentioned, I know that for sure, and I also think that ducklings do not control the sky there, but work according to combat use on the ground.
      2. alone
        alone 4 October 2015 11: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: KnightRider
        There are about 34 Su-70 aircraft in the Russian Aerospace Forces. So, the matter is most likely not in quantity.

        If you think that 70 Su-34 is enough for a country like Russia, then geopolitically our opinions will never coincide)))
        1. Born in the USSR
          Born in the USSR 4 October 2015 12: 28 New
          0
          Quote: lonely
          that means geopolitically

          wassat God forbid that your opinion has any impact on real geopolitics ... Think better about butterflies ...
          If I am not mistaken, then the conversation was about sufficiency for an operation in Syria, and not for the scale of our country.
        2. KnightRider
          KnightRider 4 October 2015 15: 02 New
          0
          Quote: lonely
          If you think that 70 Su-34 is enough for a country like Russia, then geopolitically our opinions will never coincide)))

          No, I don’t think so. And the Defense Ministry doesn’t count either. Therefore, 124 cars were contracted until 2020. Bye 124. smile
    5. Born in the USSR
      Born in the USSR 4 October 2015 11: 45 New
      13
      Quote: lonely
      The VKS was forced to send the su-24 there.

      Even I, an absolute layman in aviation, even understand that in order to drive Bedouins through the desert, sending 5th generation planes is not necessary.
      We are not mattresses to send F-22, just to somehow justify its presence.
      It all comes down to the cost of lifting the car into the air.
      And why waste an expensive resource of new equipment for nothing? Train the crew? To do this, it is not necessary to do this in a sand pan ...
      Quote: lonely
      Because more modern su-34s are not enough

      Oh oh How many cars were handed over only this year?
      Су-34 там получает "боевое крещение" и выявление детских болезней в боевых условиях.
      Again, in my deep amateurish opinion, based on logic and engineering ingenuity.
      1. alone
        alone 4 October 2015 11: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: born_in_cssr
        sending 5th generation aircraft is optional.


        Tell me the fifth generation VKS bomber please
        1. Born in the USSR
          Born in the USSR 4 October 2015 12: 21 New
          +9
          Quote: lonely
          Tell me the fifth generation VKS bomber please

          Dear, do you have a mind? Contact him for clarification ...
          Хотя очень сомневаюсь, что вы справитесь с этой не простой задачей и поэтому "намекну":
          - With the same success, I could write about the 10th generation and about the 20th. The flaw was that it was not necessary to send, like our sworn partners, the latest aircraft in order to drive pickups in the desert. soldier
          1. alone
            alone 4 October 2015 12: 45 New
            -8
            Quote: born_in_cssr
            Dear, do you have a mind? Contact him for clarification ...

            who wrote this? me?

            Even I, an absolute layman in aviation, even understand that in order to drive Bedouins through the desert, sending 5th generation planes is not necessary.
            To send them there, you must first have them !!
            These Bedouins hold 60% of the territory under control, and without your help, Assad would probably have overthrown a long time ago.
            1. Born in the USSR
              Born in the USSR 4 October 2015 12: 53 New
              +3
              Quote: lonely
              who wrote this? me?

              Can you figure out what you wrote there without my help?
              Quote: lonely
              These Bedouins control 60% of the territory

              AND? How does this affect the choice of aircraft?
              I will help you develop logical thinking: Do these Bedouins have anti-aircraft capabilities?
              Although it’s better not to answer ... I read delirium in the news about Ukraine.
              1. alone
                alone 4 October 2015 13: 13 New
                -3
                Quote: born_in_cssr
                Do these Bedouins have anti-aircraft capabilities?

                A third of Syrian aviation is lost as a result of the fact that these Bedouins shot them down.
                1. Aqela
                  Aqela 5 October 2015 00: 37 New
                  +5
                  Yeah. During the shelling of surrounded airbases from grenade launchers.
                  By the way, is it worth it to calculate how many German planes were destroyed by Soviet tanks during the Second World War? Could it be that the T-88 tank is the best means of destroying the Yu-34 bombers? laughing
            2. Aqela
              Aqela 5 October 2015 00: 34 New
              0
              Ну, без помощи "наших западных партнёров" хрен бы они из своих аулов повылазили. Как были бы местной унылой гопотой с амбициями, так бы и остались... request
          2. Aqela
            Aqela 5 October 2015 00: 32 New
            0
            It is a pity that not a single IL-10 and IL-28 was left. They would be suitable for the indicated chases for pickups 100%. good drinks fellow
            Well, maybe after upgrading the equipment, of course ... request repeat
        2. Darwin
          Darwin 4 October 2015 12: 47 New
          -6
          DO NOT cling to words and stop engaging in demagogy. You see the liberal very much your statements are similar
          1. alone
            alone 4 October 2015 13: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Darwin
            DO NOT cling to words and stop engaging in demagogy. You see the liberal very much your statements are similar

            Are you this to me?
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 4 October 2015 13: 32 New
          +2
          Do not cling, formalist. But in fact - the generation is determined by the effectiveness of the battle.
          1. Aqela
            Aqela 5 October 2015 00: 38 New
            0
            Well, the Su-7 and MiG-27 would be appropriate ...
        4. Aqela
          Aqela 5 October 2015 00: 29 New
          +1
          Please name at least one 4 or 5 generation bomber from the USA? request
          I think that this division into generations - the essence of the thing is not too intelligible. That’s why it’s already gored to put the pluses to the four. Someone who promotes such a digital sign. yes stop soldier fool
          К примеру, тот же Ф-35 по техническим данным скорее соответствует "4+", но это же будет просто скандал, если после Ф-22, "пятого поколения" домучают и примут на вооружение аппарат "4+". am No.
          And the same Su-24 or Su-25 with the latest equipment to which generation belongs? drinks
          I think that it is not necessary to engage in advertising stuffing. In general, on this site recently uncritical free retelling of advertising booklets has become more frequent. This is disappointing ...
          crying hi
    6. Manul
      Manul 4 October 2015 11: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: lonely
      The VKS was forced to send the Su-24 there. Because there are not enough more modern Su-34s. This is a fact.

      Maybe you are right in some ways, but everyone has such a compulsion, even the Americans. A lot of modernized, but old weapons. What is the point of modernization then? Immediately write off any equipment after 10 years of operation and create a new one from scratch? Old men will also fight.
      1. alone
        alone 4 October 2015 12: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: Manul
        Maybe you are right in some ways, but everyone has such a compulsion, even the Americans.


        Ilya, I’m not saying that they should be immediately dumped. It’s just that the majority here are accustomed to praise and slander the same. I’m tired of such a jingoistic mood. Most people on the site are only involved in patriotism. And less and less professionals .
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 4 October 2015 13: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          On the site, most people are engaged only in patriotism, and there are fewer and fewer professionals.

          But the old man’s combat effectiveness literally screams that you're wrong
          1. Aqela
            Aqela 5 October 2015 00: 50 New
            0
            Sorry, but not screaming, but rumbling. fellow Air bombs. laughing
        2. Manul
          Manul 4 October 2015 13: 47 New
          0
          Quote: lonely
          Ilya, I’m not saying that they should be immediately dumped. It’s just that the majority here are accustomed to praise and slander the same. I’m tired of such a jingoistic mood. Most people on the site are only involved in patriotism. And less and less professionals .

          Do you think that we still need to check the quality of modernization of old equipment in battle? How efficient are all these new enhancements? hi
          1. alone
            alone 4 October 2015 14: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Manul
            Do you think that we still need to check the quality of modernization of old equipment in battle?

            The plane has a high accident rate. These are not my words, but the words of respected members of the forum who are real professional pilots. We must send planes to the battle that the pilot will not fail at the right moment.
            HERE McCain already crowed about MANPADS, which will supply the opposition.
            1. Aqela
              Aqela 5 October 2015 00: 57 New
              +1
              Wasn't McCain somehow unsuccessfully burning a half-aircraft carrier? If so, then he certainly understands a lot in the destruction of aircraft ... laughing laughing good Expert! fellow laughing bully
            2. Manul
              Manul 5 October 2015 07: 25 New
              0
              Quote: lonely
              The plane has a high accident rate. These are not my words, but the words of respected members of the forum who are real professional pilots. We must send planes to the battle that the pilot will not fail at the right moment.
              HERE McCain already crowed about MANPADS, which will supply the opposition.

              Я помню ответ VAFа.При чем это был мой уточняющий вопрос, корректирующий другие высказывания. Но тогда произошло несколько аварий подряд, и не только 24х, которые заставили нас поволноваться.А про аварийность говорили все кто угодно, но не Vaf. Попытаюсь процитировать на память - "Самолет не сложен в управлении, нет.Наоборот - прост как велосипед.Но вот ошибок этот самолет не прощает". hi
          2. Aqela
            Aqela 5 October 2015 00: 55 New
            0
            Well, in the USA, for example, a large-scale modernization of the M-60 is proposed.
            If sclerosis does not change, the modernization of the T-55 was developed in Israel.
            There are many proposals for a serious modernization of the BMP-1 and BMP-2.
            Ясен пень, всё это не для встречных боёв с "Леклерками" или "Леопардами-2А7", но - старички вполне ещё на многое способны.
        3. Aqela
          Aqela 5 October 2015 00: 48 New
          +4
          By the way, the Chinese, for example, quite exploit their modification of the Tu-16 and ... do not buzz ... request
          Here my father told me that in the 60s PPSh was the favorite machine gun in Cuba ...
          For a long time, the frontier troops in the FRG were armed with PPS, which was later replaced by the Heckler’s MP-5 ...
          В США успешно применяют пулемёт Браунинга М2, а на "платформу М1911" разьве что не молятся...
          And the Finns, with their ability to successfully operate the equipment, which, it seems like a long time ago to write off, cause my sincere amazement.
          To give a dozen more examples of the successful use of technology, say, not the latest?
          In terms of ur-patriotism, perhaps, I am inclined to agree with you.
          However, people are fighting.
          Те же сирийцы, к примеру, воюя с Израилем (где там пресловутый "Профессор"?) обсирали Т-72 со страшной силой, пока обозлённые советские советники не сели в такой танк и не отправили в одном бою к праотцам роту израильских танков.
          hi
      2. Just BB
        Just BB 7 October 2015 05: 40 New
        0
        древняя технарская хохма от "вооружейников" (такие специалисты в инженерно-авиационной службе): - "самолет - это пушка с крыльями!" И как-то "фиолетово" какой дизайн у этих "крыльев", какое у них поколение... главное, чтобы могли донести современное, эффективное и высокоточное средство поражения до цели. Скажете, что и ракета сойдет для такой цели, не уверен: самолет можно оперативно перенацелить, а ракету уже нет
    7. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 4 October 2015 14: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      I will say one thing. The VKS was forced to send a su-24 there. Because more modern su-34s are not enough. This is a fact


      But it seems to me that sending to Syria along with the SU-34 and the SU-24 also solve 2 problems at once.
      1. Actually combat use.
      2. Advertising move to increase the number of orders for the SU-24.
      And I fully admit the idea that the 24th may not be returned home, but left by the Syrian Air Force in fear of adversity and to form positive reviews for potential buyers.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 4 October 2015 14: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: Polite Elk
        Advertising move to increase the number of orders for SU-24.

        Alexander, what kind of orders are you talking about? what Serial production of this type of front-line bomber was completed over 20 years ago.
        1. alone
          alone 4 October 2015 15: 17 New
          +6
          Quote: Bongo
          Alexander, what kind of orders are you talking about? Serial production of this type of front-line bomber was completed more than 20 years ago.


          It’s necessary to be smart like that)))) hi
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 4 October 2015 15: 19 New
            +4
            Quote: lonely
            It’s necessary to be smart like that))))

            Not a fact, maybe Alexander sincerely believes that they are still being built?
            1. alone
              alone 4 October 2015 15: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Bongo
              Not a fact, maybe Alexander sincerely believes that they are still being built?


              And check it is very difficult probably)))
              1. Aqela
                Aqela 5 October 2015 01: 01 New
                +1
                He would be sent to sell GAZ-20, GAZ-21 and GAZ-24. That would cut the dough !!! fellow
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            3. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 5 October 2015 08: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: Bongo
              Quote: lonely
              It’s necessary to be smart like that))))

              Not a fact, maybe Alexander sincerely believes that they are still being built?


              Well, you already consider me a bird sanitizer.
        2. Aqela
          Aqela 5 October 2015 00: 59 New
          +1
          Well, a man confused there ... Well, Su-7, Su-17, Su-27 ... wassat what
          You think about it! One tsifirka not that! am wassat bully laughing
        3. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 5 October 2015 08: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: Bongo
          Alexander, what kind of orders are you talking about?


          Я имел ввиду возможные поставки СУ-24 с баз хранения или из строевых частей после замены на СУ-34(про вновь произведенные речи не было). На данный момент времени всем желающим только новейшие разработки подавай. А нам их и сами маловато будет. А тут такой уникальный случай показать не новую, но вполне себе эффективную машину, которая при правильной рекламной кампании встанет на один уровень с новейшими разработками. Грех не воспользоваться возможностью впарить нашим арабским и латиноамериканским друзьям "старого коня" со всеми вытекающими плюсами в виде обслуживания, модернизации и т.д. Сирийская операция (демонстрация эффективности применения СУ-24)это еще один камешек на чашу весов в пользу приобретения нашей недорогой и проверенной временем авиатехники для тех стран, которые не могут раскошелиться на супер-пуперы, а иметь бомбардировочную авиацию очень хоцца.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 5 October 2015 10: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Polite Elk
            I meant possible deliveries of SU-24 from storage bases or from combat units after replacing it with SU-34

            Александр, вы эти "базы хранения" видели? Что касается поставок со строевых частей, то темпы поступления Су-34 пока к сожалению не в состоянии восполнить "естественную убыль" Су-24М и М2. Кроме того эту пусть весьма эффективную, но требующую квалифицированного обслуживания и сложную в пилотировании машину все кто хотел давно купили.
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 5 October 2015 11: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Bongo
              то темпы поступления Су-34 пока к сожалению не в состоянии восполнить "естественную убыль" Су-24М и М2.


              Yes, I agree with you. The production rate of 34, with our needs, leaves much to be desired. Although, how to say. If the plans of the Defense Ministry come true, then by 2020 there will be a complete re-equipment of the units from 24 to 34. And I’m thinking it’s a sinful thing that it would be better and more profitable for us not to rot the equipment for conservation, but to shaman the 24-arms and together with stocks of spare parts to sell to interested. The Syrian operation is the best advertising company for the SU-24. I think the demand will be. And then since the delivery of 24 to Algeria, there have been no other contracts. Perhaps I wishful thinking, but I hope that there will still be a gesheft.
              Sergei! hi
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 5 October 2015 12: 13 New
                +1
                Quote: Polite Elk
                Yes, I agree with you. The production rate of 34 with our needs leaves much to be desired. Although, how to say. If the MO plans come true, then by 2020 there will be a complete re-equipment of parts from 24 to 34. And I’m thinking it’s a sinful thing that it would be better and more profitable for us not to fester equipment for conservation, but to shamanize 24-ki taken out of service and sell it to the interested together with the spare parts.

                Unfortunately, for various reasons, this most likely will not happen. Su-24M and M2 will be operated after the 2020 year request На "хранении" находятся машины с практически выработанным ресурсом и устаревшим БРЭО. Всё что может летать - летает. Например на Дальнем востоке Су-24М и М2 остались только в Хурбе. Хотя 10 лет назад базировались на 4 аэродромах.
                1. Polite Moose
                  Polite Moose 5 October 2015 12: 41 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Bongo
                  All that can fly is fly. For example, in the Far East, the Su-24m and M2 remained only in Khurba. Although 10 years ago, they were based at 4 airfields.


                  Да, к великому сожалению эпоха 90-х не прошла даром. Много чего похери-лось. Но, не смотря на ситуацию с ФБА в наших ВКС, если найдется покупатель, то думаю, что продадут однозначно. Тем более, что "рекламная кампания" в Сирии проходит вполне успешно. (тьфу.. тьфу... тьфу.. чтоб не сглазить).
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 5 October 2015 13: 08 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Polite Elk
                    Yes, unfortunately the era of 90's was not in vain.

                    Конечно это так, но в 90-е в основном ликвидировались истребительные и истребительно-бомбардировочные полки. Фронтовую бомбардировочную авиацию начали "реформировать" 5-7 лет назад, т.е. при "великом" и "незаменимом". Впрочем, в 2011 году морскую ракетоносную авиацию по согласованию с Верховным главнокомандующим ликвидировали вообще. В соответствии с приказом Генерального штаба Вооруженных сил, авиация флота в сжатые сроки была передана в состав ВВС- вся ракетоносная авиация, в составе трех эскадрилий дальних бомбардировщиков Ту-22М3, основная часть ударных и истребительных частей, а также большая часть транспортной авиации. Все «условно исправные» (подготовленные к разовой перегонке) самолёты ВМФ в 2011 году переданы в состав Дальней авиации. Остальные Ту-22М даже имевшие мелкие неисправности, но пригодные к восстановлению разделаны на металл. crying

                    Большая часть бывших "морских" Ту-22М3 в настоящее время не летает, они ждут своей очереди на ремонт и модернизацию.
  10. rererilka
    rererilka 4 October 2015 11: 10 New
    +9
    Yes, I'm generally from pin, oh Africans, losing weight, lately laughing Along the way, drop Po-2 into Syria, so they, too, will recognize him, super-wunderwafers wassat
    1. your1970
      your1970 4 October 2015 12: 34 New
      +9
      Well, if PO-2 could rise above 3 km (just in case !!!) - in general there would be an ideal option ...
      Although on the other hand from Stinger shoot him to no purpose fellow lol yes
      And slowly, slowly, to drive Bedouins from corner to corner in the desert - in any conditions. At least I would have mastered intelligence on 5 + with its speed
      1. rererilka
        rererilka 4 October 2015 13: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: your1970
        Already at least intelligence would be mastered by 5+ at its speed

        And two hundred kg, well, if you don’t take the navigator what
        1. your1970
          your1970 4 October 2015 20: 50 New
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          Glonass, communications, optics - everything is small in weight, given the small ranges - he would have been hanging in the air for a very long time
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 5 October 2015 10: 47 New
          0
          Quote: rererilka
          And two hundred kg, well, if you don’t take the navigator

          bully C'mon, get upset - replace some of the materials with modern ones easier, but stick the engine a little more modern and more powerful and then you have 500 kg, or even more, together with the navigator
        3. amber-50
          amber-50 5 October 2015 13: 15 New
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          Yeah and a box of grenades with you, it’s convenient to throw from the top.
      2. Aqela
        Aqela 5 October 2015 01: 03 New
        0
        Bullshit !!! An-2 steers !!! wink good
        It seems like I read about half a year ago that SOKOM highly appreciated the potential of using the An-2 for special forces.
        А По-2 подлетает эдак к конкретному бедуину, берёт его за горло и спрашивает: "А тебе моя водичка зачем нужна?" laughing
        1. your1970
          your1970 5 October 2015 12: 38 New
          0
          AN-2 see radars, but the software is 2 (in which the iron is one engine and a machine gun repeat lol, and everything else is plywood and percale) - I think in general no radar will take + low altitude ..
          In general, apparently the modern version of the 2 software would be wildly relevant for the army and special services
        2. Just BB
          Just BB 7 October 2015 05: 48 New
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          Alas, the speeds did not work out - now a pickup truck with a machine gun moves faster through the sands
          1. your1970
            your1970 7 October 2015 17: 39 New
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            Pickup truck with speed 120-150km / h in the sand belay belay ?????
            Oh well....
            Not if you count on going straight to heaven for the gouri repeat - then you can squeeze more
  11. Peterhof 73
    Peterhof 73 4 October 2015 11: 11 New
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    Good day to all forum users! This is my first comment. I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?
    1. KnightRider
      KnightRider 4 October 2015 11: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: Petergofsky73
      Good day to all forum users! This is my first comment. I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?

      Good question. In Syria, we are officially, the ownership of machines is determined unambiguously, especially the Su-34 and Su-30SM, i.e. hide the traces of his military presence does not work. In general, treba need to return the stars to their place! soldier
      1. Born in the USSR
        Born in the USSR 4 October 2015 11: 52 New
        +6
        If erased, then it was necessary. It’s a variant of the fact that it will not be possible to officially open the mission, in the event that the Syrian ace had to be fought again by the name of Li Si Tsyn.
        Now everyone already knows who is who and there is simply no time to draw. God forbid that the technicians have time to rest at least a little between the preparation of the boards for departure. Do you think they have nothing to do there?
        It is the guys on earth who are now pulling on their hump all the hardest work. And give it to you here ...
        1. KnightRider
          KnightRider 4 October 2015 15: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: born_in_cssr
          It’s a variant of the fact that it will not be possible to officially open the mission, in the event that the Syrian ace had to be fought again by the name of Li Si Tsyn.

          If our leadership WAS NOT 100% sure that our mission would be official and legitimate, i.e. with the sanction of the UN Security Council or with permission Damascus - our planes would not have appeared in Syria!
      2. Peterhof 73
        Peterhof 73 4 October 2015 11: 53 New
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        Thank you, I also think so, our stars (better than the 1943 Air Force model) are well remembered by all enemies. They did not tarnish themselves with anything (in the sense of bombing civilian targets).
        1. Aqela
          Aqela 5 October 2015 01: 09 New
          0
          Yeah. Right A kind of Pe-8 flies with a load of bombs and his whole team is so worried: if any of the bombs gets into a Berliner’s apartment building ... And this is at a time when cartel teams of Germans, Romanians and Bandera burn Belarusian villages with the entire population ... am
          Would you understand what you said? fool
      3. rererilka
        rererilka 4 October 2015 11: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: KnightRider
        In general, treba need to return the stars to their place!

        Those are red, not like the American ones. This is what you need to be fool in order to abandon the deserved by the ancestors, the symbol of the most powerful and legendary request Yes, on the drum, red and everything, and in the abbreviation of the Red Army, there is not even a hint of politics, it is now, the Red Army
    2. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 4 October 2015 12: 29 New
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      I assume that the stars were painted over for the transfer of aircraft through the airspace of foreign countries. In order not to attract too much attention.
    3. ancient
      ancient 4 October 2015 12: 44 New
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      Quote: Petergofsky73
      . I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?


      Ну раз практически все "укря-спецы "высказались...разрешите и мне!
      Это старая и древняя "проблема" с Ираном, несмотря на всю "любоff"и "мир,дружбу,жвачку" lol
      Iranians have always been opposed to the presence in their airspace of combat aircraft with any identification marks other than their own.
      Так что....."местные обычаи"..так сказать wink soldier
      1. Peterhof 73
        Peterhof 73 4 October 2015 13: 13 New
        +2
        Thanks for clarifying. That is, if I understood you correctly, is this a necessary measure applied to relocate the aircraft of our airborne forces through the airspace of Iran? If so, what about the case (God forbid!) Of a possible incident with ours in the sky over Syria? After all, as I understand it, in international law, an airplane pilot without identification marks is considered almost a pirate.
        1. ancient
          ancient 4 October 2015 13: 31 New
          +7
          Quote: Petergofsky73
          That is, if I understood you correctly, is this a necessary measure applied to relocate the aircraft of our airborne forces through the airspace of Iran?


          Yes sir!

          Quote: Petergofsky73
          If so, what about the case (God forbid!) Of a possible incident with ours in the sky over Syria?


          Постараться сделать всё, что бы дотянуть до "своей территории" и там уже.."прыгать"...если нет такой возможности, то...в левом нагрудном кармане комбеза всегда есть ПМ soldier
          1. rererilka
            rererilka 4 October 2015 13: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: ancient
            , then ... in the left breast pocket of the jumpsuit there is always PM soldier

            На, блин, по Чечне краем слышал, чо летунов на 25-х "yблюдkamи" вооружали, не?
            Yes, that’s it, I’ve already gone, twist the nuts, an hour or three request
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 4 October 2015 14: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: ancient
        Iranians have always been opposed to the presence in their airspace of combat aircraft with any identification marks other than their own.
        Так что....."местные обычаи"..так сказать

        Cognitively, I did not know about such a fad.
      3. KnightRider
        KnightRider 4 October 2015 15: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: ancient
        Quote: Petergofsky73
        . I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?


        Ну раз практически все "укря-спецы "высказались...разрешите и мне!
        Это старая и древняя "проблема" с Ираном, несмотря на всю "любоff"и "мир,дружбу,жвачку" lol
        Iranians have always been opposed to the presence in their airspace of combat aircraft with any identification marks other than their own.
        Так что....."местные обычаи"..так сказать wink soldier

        Well, short and clear! Now, if anyone asks about the stars, I will refer to your comment. hi Now I don’t need to bring the stars back
    4. Corsair
      Corsair 5 October 2015 10: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Petergofsky73
      Good day to all forum users! This is my first comment. I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?

      what Maybe then they decided to leave them to the Syrians and Assad, so that then they would not be redrawn.
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  13. sabakina
    sabakina 4 October 2015 11: 15 New
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    despite the outdated design of the Su-24

    If their design comes first ... I think I'm starting to understand what the problems are with the F-35 ...
    And for us the main thing is:
    1. rererilka
      rererilka 4 October 2015 12: 20 New
      +1
      Airstrikes by the Russian air forces in Syria sparked discussions at the Pentagon over whether to use military force to protect trained and armed with the American side Syrian rebels, AFP reports.

      According to the agency’s source, the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs of Staff consider the possible legal and political consequences of such a move in the event of attacks by Russian aircraft.

      In the worst case, an attempt by the American forces to organize air cover of the rebels from Russian fighters could lead to a full-scale confrontation with Russia, which Washington would like to avoid, the source said.
      Read more: https://eadaily.com/news/2015/10/02/afp-ssha-rassmatrivayut-silovoy-otvet-na-ros
      siyskie-udary-po-povstancam-v-sirii

      Here, they confer, and decide that it’s more efficient, crowbar, or crowbar, they do not know the wretched that MPL-50 steers when all that is small has ended.
      And the flyers, this fate, probably what
  14. avia1991
    avia1991 4 October 2015 11: 16 New
    10
    half a century of Russian bombers are still an effective means of hitting targets
    It’s hard to argue with this - the evidence is there! Fresh!
    Интересно только, насколько глубокой была модернизация? Когда я учился, преподаватели отзывались о Су-24 довольно нелицеприятно: сложности в пилотировании, довольно трудоемкое обслуживание, "слабое звено" в виде поворотного механизма консолей.. да и радиус маловат, прямо скажем. Су-34, в этих вопросах, для самих летчиков гораздо привлекательнее smile
    However, now we see that the plane performs its task! And God bless him with flying longevity, and equal number of take-offs and landings! good
  15. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 4 October 2015 11: 16 New
    +6
    Так и у АК дизайн устаревший. Надо, чтобы как в компьютерных играх что-ли? Супер-пумер- мега электонный распылитель со стразами от сваровски? Чтобы креативненько так в бою выглядеть? Ну а самолет тогда должен выглядеть как в "звездных войнах". Во логика у амеров.
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 5 October 2015 01: 16 New
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      Ну, все модификации "калаша" проводившиеся до последнего времени к таким "изыскам" и сводились. Особенно замечательно в этом плане засветились украинские дизайнеры. Тот же "малыш" чего стоит. Да и "Вепрь" из той же бочки...
      STRASIKI !!! fellow
  16. kraz
    kraz 4 October 2015 11: 18 New
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    Controversial headline. I like the old design more than aircraft of the 5th generation.
  17. Oleneboy_
    Oleneboy_ 4 October 2015 11: 19 New
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    Quote: Petergofsky73
    Good day to all forum users! This is my first comment. I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?

    How is this missing?
    1. rererilka
      rererilka 4 October 2015 11: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      How is this missing?

      Yes, I also heard such garbage, but what difference does it make if everyone yells that, except ours, no one is afraid of flying over Syria request
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 4 October 2015 12: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: rererilka
        in the sense of flying afraid



        Так фактически наши уже бесполетную зону над Сирией сделали... Самолетам "коалиции" и Израиля там делать нефрен...
        1. rererilka
          rererilka 4 October 2015 13: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: veksha50
          Самолетам "коалиции" и Израиля там делать нефрен...

          Well, God bless them, as Lyaksandr Vasilich used to say drinks
          Lana, I’m in the garage, my friend has lengthened his sportswear, well, I’ve adjusted the grant, I’ll just go change the racks, but I’ll choose the clearance on the front end from the wheels, and I’ll have to change the cardan, slotted, neither ... nor to the Red Army, in general .
          I disappear.
          1. rererilka
            rererilka 4 October 2015 13: 40 New
            +3
            Nate, actually the wife, but she stands to live and laugh, over what is called life
        2. alone
          alone 4 October 2015 14: 15 New
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          Quote: veksha50
          Так фактически наши уже бесполетную зону над Сирией сделали... Самолетам "коалиции" и Израиля там делать нефрен...

          Man, to make a no-fly zone, do you know how many planes it takes?

          The West just stepped aside so you spent on the bombing.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 4 October 2015 15: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            Man, to make a no-fly zone, do you know how many planes it takes?

            The West just stepped aside so you spent on the bombing.



            Could not leave ...

            But we still need to train pilots somewhere for military use ... Cynically, but the way it is ...

            And what about the money spent ... Where and when, and which state saved on the costs of the war ???

            P.S. А насчет бесполетной зоны - так это не мои слова... Вон, в лентах новостей, куда ни кинь свой взгляд - так об этом и судачат... "Аналитики"...
            1. alone
              alone 4 October 2015 15: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: veksha50
              А насчет бесполетной зоны - так это не мои слова... Вон, в лентах новостей, куда ни кинь свой взгляд - так об этом и судачат... "Аналитики"...


              You know George, I would advise you not to listen to analysts))) it is a futile lesson. Sorting is a professional business for analysts. Tryndet and tryndet
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 4 October 2015 16: 05 New
                +2
                Quote: lonely
                You know, George, I would advise you not to listen to analysts))) this is a futile lesson. Sorting is a professional business for analysts.



                Um ... And where do we ALL get the news ???

                For example, I try with state sites and the media (at least with state participation) ... However, this does not guarantee against a doubled disa ...

                In this case, where do you get the information ??? Who (which channel or newspaper and magazine publication) do you use as a source of news and whom do you trust ???

                For example, I read and try to think ... I don’t know how it turns out, but I don’t trust anyone and nothing ...

                And the information about unmanned space, for example, was voiced by RIA Novosti ... I in no way relate it to Rain or Ear ...
                1. alone
                  alone 4 October 2015 16: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: veksha50
                  In this case, where do you get the information ???


                  I take it from various sources, both state and independent. I take it even from bearded men. I just read what they write. And then I compare, analyze it myself, throw out all that is superfluous. The main thing is that I do not trust 100% source .I have my own mind, my own thinking.

                  Quote: veksha50
                  And the information about unmanned space, for example, was voiced by RIA Novosti ... I in no way relate it to Rain or Ear ...


                  RIA Novosti))) Rain, Ear .. none of them is considered an information portal that can be trusted 100%. RIA Novosti is the mouthpiece of the authorities, it only praises statesmen and their policies. And Rain or others just know that they criticize him.
          2. Ajent cho
            Ajent cho 4 October 2015 16: 40 New
            +2
            to make a no-fly zone, do you know how many planes it takes?
            In the presence of modern air defense systems - 0 aircraft are enough.
            1. alone
              alone 4 October 2015 18: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: Ajent Cho
              In the presence of modern air defense systems - 0 aircraft are enough.

              )) You know, there is such a thing-called electronic warfare. Given the presence of modern electronic warfare, modern air defense systems may not create this zone.
              1. Ajent cho
                Ajent cho 5 October 2015 08: 31 New
                0
                You know, there’s such an EW contraption called
                Yes, of course, moreover, stationary on the ground - much more powerful than those on airplanes.
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 October 2015 11: 20 New
    0
    however, Russian bombers with a half-century history still represent an effective means of hitting targets that are far away from the Latakia air base. ”

    Something the last days, Americans do not skimp on compliments. What is it for?
  19. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 October 2015 11: 21 New
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    We know how to do ... For how many years he, and such a hell he produces on the devil!
    Allah will not help!

    A sho normally fly like that .... good
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 4 October 2015 11: 24 New
      +2
      вот интересно, комментатор на заднем плане кричит "Аллах Акбар!" от радости или от страха?
      1. Peterhof 73
        Peterhof 73 4 October 2015 11: 44 New
        +5
        От того, что пронесло. Ну в смысле "спаси господи" , а может быть и от того, что "пронесло"
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 4 October 2015 12: 13 New
          +5
          Truly Akbar! At the same time it blew ...
      2. Fight cat
        Fight cat 4 October 2015 12: 17 New
        0
        this is a phrase for all occasions, even sitting in the toilet you can shout allah akbar, which means Allah more ... wassat Well, in the sense of shit!
      3. novobranets
        novobranets 4 October 2015 12: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        комментатор на заднем плане кричит "Аллах Акбар!" от радости или от страха?

        He is also baptized at the same time. So, just in case. lol
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 4 October 2015 14: 14 New
          +2
          good made fun of hiccups))
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      4. Asadullah
        Asadullah 4 October 2015 12: 27 New
        +1
        кричит "Аллах Акбар!"


        Так кричать может кто угодно, - "Бог велик!" В моем переводе, - Всевышний во всём. Такбир, понимаешь. В данном случае, возвеличивание русских бортов. smile
        1. Fight cat
          Fight cat 4 October 2015 13: 10 New
          0
          ну вот зачем врать "Аллах акбар" дословный перевод Аллах больше, а не велик... tongue
          1. Peterhof 73
            Peterhof 73 4 October 2015 18: 37 New
            0
            Возможность проверить как это звучит на самом деле множеству "бабахов" предоставляется уже четыре дня
          2. Asadullah
            Asadullah 4 October 2015 23: 13 New
            0
            ну вот зачем врать "Аллах акбар" дословный перевод Аллах больше, а не велик.


            Well, you translate, literally, sympathize ....
      5. Vanko
        Vanko 4 October 2015 23: 10 New
        +1
        Аллах то он конечно акбар, но судя по интонации, заучало всё это как "Боже упаси" winked
  20. Bongo
    Bongo 4 October 2015 11: 23 New
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    «Так, модернизированный Су-24 имеет стеклянную кабину, системы спутниковой навигации ГЛОНАСС, системы индикации показаний приборов на лобовом стекле и самообороны "воздух-воздух". На борту самолёта могут находиться управляемые ракеты класса "воздух-воздух" малого радиуса действия Р-73. Кроме того, бомбардировщик может carry precision guided ammunition, ”the author says.

    According to the magazine, "the maximum combat load of the aircraft is 7500 kg, the combat radius of the Su-24 is 560 km, and the latest modifications are equipped with an air refueling system." The aircraft is capable of striking targets at low altitudes.


    Another illiterate publication of National Interest. negative Frontline bombers Su-24 in our air force there is practically no left. Are operated Su-24M and Su-24М2 с БРЭО "Гефест" и "Гусар". От Су-24 они отличаются примерно так же как Су-35 отличается от прародителя Су-27.

    With all the numerous advantages of the Su-34, its impact capabilities are approximately equal to that of the Su-24М2. At the same time, 24 behaves much better when flying on PMV.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 4 October 2015 15: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Bongo
      At the same time, the 24-ka behaves much better when flying on PMV.

      ..and what is such an important indicator when fulfilling tasks in Syria?
      As I understand it, the opposite is true: the maximum heights are used to negate MANPADS attacks.
      Quote: Bongo
      in its impact capabilities, it is approximately equal to the Su-24M2

      This in the sense can carry the same ammunition? .. In this matter - it is possible.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 4 October 2015 15: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: avia1991
        ..and what is such an important indicator when fulfilling tasks in Syria?
        As I understand it, the opposite is true: the maximum heights are used to negate MANPADS attacks.

        These aircraft were not originally created to fight the Islamists; for this, a cheaper option could be dispensed with. You are probably aware of the tasks of a front-line bomber. And when flying on the PMV, the Su-24 (and all subsequent modifications) shakes much less than the Su-34.
        Quote: avia1991
        This in the sense can carry the same ammunition? .. In this matter - it is possible.

        The capabilities of avionics are also quite close. But on this subject, you better communicate with the Ancient One, so to speak, refer to the original source.
  21. roskot
    roskot 4 October 2015 11: 24 New
    +1
    They don’t drink water from their faces. But it will not seem a little long.
  22. beitar
    beitar 4 October 2015 11: 26 New
    -21
    Quote: Hubun
    The old horse does not spoil the furrow



    But plow shallow)))
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 4 October 2015 11: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: beitar
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow



      But plow shallow)))

      Well, you know better. You pros don't get rid of junk. But for some reason, tell everyone that you plow deeply. hi
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 4 October 2015 11: 47 New
        20
        Quote: keel 31
        But for some reason, tell everyone that you plow deeply.


        Six Russian multi-purpose Su-30SM drove the Israeli fighter McDonnell Douglas F-15 off the coast of Syria, according to EXCLUSIF-Strategika 51.

        Israeli aviation flies for several months in the airspace of Syria and near the military air base near the city of Latakia, which is now the bridgehead of Russian troops in Syria. The Israeli air group flew a rather difficult route with an approach to Latakia from the sea.

        On the night of October 1 to 2, 2015, six Russian Su-30cm flew from the Syrian air base Hamim towards Cyprus, to intercept four Israeli F-15 fighters. When approaching them, they turned on the combat mode.

        Surprised by this situation, the Israelis did not begin to engage in air combat with some of the best Russian multi-role fighters quickly turned south, flying at high speed into Lebanese airspace.

        Ливанская армия официально объявила в 23.13 (по местному времени), что четыре "вражеских самолёта" (Израиля) пересекли воздушное пространство Ливана.

        Это "инцидент" между российскими и израильскими военными самолетами ввёл в ступор командование ВВС Израиля, которое поняло, что возможный воздушный бой между израильскими F-15 и российскими Су-30 привел бы к потере четырех израильский самолетов. Израиль решительно опротестовал в Москве этот инцидент, но русские потребовали объяснений на предмет нахождения израильских истребителей в воздушном пространстве Сирии. Этот инцидент показывает, что защита воздушного пространства Сирии сейчас находится под контролем российских ВВС. Что вызвало зубовный скрежет в Вашингтоне.

        The incident was ignored by major news agencies, but the political and informational role of Israel, the United States and Europe in the Arab world will help strengthen efforts to demonize Russian support for the Syrian government.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 4 October 2015 11: 48 New
          15
          "Российский истребитель Су-30СМ своими действиями вынудил покинуть воздушное пространство над Сирией пилота американского штурмовика А-10. " - собщается в эфире американской радиостанции CNN
          "При выполнении задач в небе над Сирией, наш пилот столкнулся с ситуацией, которая вынудила его покинуть сирийское воздушное пространство и вернуться на базу ВВС США. На второй минуте полета он подвергся "перехвату" российским истребителем Су-30СМ, пилот которого недвусмысленно дал понять, что необходимо прекратить полет и покинуть сирийскую территорию. Интересно, как на такие "принуждающие" действия России будут в дальнейшем реагировать в Вашингтоне?" - отмечает ведущий CNN Вольф Блитцер.
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 4 October 2015 12: 18 New
            +5
            Exactly ... Now this is our cow and we are guarding it. Benny asked Putin to help Israel not be alone with the scumbags. So move over and don’t go when serious people do business
          2. Fight cat
            Fight cat 4 October 2015 13: 14 New
            +1
            Интересно, как на такие "принуждающие" действия России будут в дальнейшем реагировать в Вашингтоне?" - отмечает ведущий CNN Вольф Блитцер.
            Envy will be on the side! crying
        2. kil 31
          kil 31 4 October 2015 12: 06 New
          +2
          Вот Моисеи обнаглели. Залетают в одно суверенное государство, драпают через другое. Своего неба видно нету. Где Нассрала к нему четыре орла летело? Надо по окончанию пару "Панцирей" потерять, а что переправить легко. Поставил тент и сверху на камеру обычная фура.
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 4 October 2015 13: 27 New
            +2
            Israel Area 23000 sq. Km This is a square with a side of 151km. Such a distance a modern combat aircraft flies in 4,5 minutes. It is crowded there for the sons not to turn around. So I had to fly on one side, fly on the other. Now there is no fly in, but always fly out please!
            1. Peterhof 73
              Peterhof 73 4 October 2015 18: 42 New
              0
              Вот и пущай пока "путинские соколы" работу не закончат дома посидят, отдохнут. Пыльная буря прошла, погода хорошая. А что? А вдруг?
        3. veksha50
          veksha50 4 October 2015 12: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: vorobey
          Quote: keel 31
          But for some reason, tell everyone that you plow deeply.


          Six Russian multi-purpose Su-30SM drove the Israeli fighter McDonnell Douglas F-15 off the coast of Syria, according to EXCLUSIF-Strategika 51.


          Однако с утра была инфа (не знаю, верить ли ленте новостей) о том, что F-15 было пять... А отогнали - четыре... И задают вопрос - куда делся пятый ??? И по поводу чего Израиль заявил Москве "решительный протест"...
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 4 October 2015 12: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: veksha50
            that F-15 was five ... And they drove away - four ... And they ask the question - where did the fifth go ???


            request repeat
          2. kil 31
            kil 31 4 October 2015 13: 01 New
            +3
            Shake, shrink. No one will tell us. Maybe our descendants will read in the archives. crying
          3. Fight cat
            Fight cat 4 October 2015 13: 17 New
            +3
            Quote: veksha50
            Однако с утра была инфа (не знаю, верить ли ленте новостей) о том, что F-15 было пять... А отогнали - четыре... И задают вопрос - куда делся пятый ??? И по поводу чего Израиль заявил Москве "решительный протест"...

            where the sea dwellers drowned somewhere, but in general fighters fly in pairs. fifth why ??? request a scout was escorted if only!
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 4 October 2015 15: 09 New
              0
              Цитата: Бойцовый Кот
              where the sea dwellers drowned somewhere, but in general fighters fly in pairs. fifth why ??? a scout was escorted if only!


              That's what this is about ...

              And the route was cleverly laid ...

              Однако... "утрусился и усох"...
          4. Bort radist
            Bort radist 4 October 2015 19: 40 New
            0
            Quote: veksha50
            However, in the morning there was infa (I don’t know whether to believe the news feed) that the F-15 was five ... But they drove away - four ... And they ask the question - where did the fifth go ???

            Four were driven away, and the fifth flew away fellow
            1. rererilka
              rererilka 4 October 2015 21: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: Bort Radist
              Four were driven away, and the fifth one flew away fellow

              Et what if there was a fifth, it was also necessary to look for the sixth, although belay ... well, let five fly in, four run away, one we write, two go to mind, although not there, they have an account, both mathematics and physics, smoke behind the barn.
              1. Bort radist
                Bort radist 5 October 2015 09: 24 New
                0
                Quote: rererilka
                This what, if the fifth was, it was also necessary to look for the sixth

                You need to know this, in pairs they fly or fives. If in pairs then look for the sixth. If the link is 5, then that's it.
        4. Peterhof 73
          Peterhof 73 4 October 2015 13: 23 New
          +2
          Если эта инфа соответствует действительности, то даже не сомневаюсь, что это не провокация (в полит. смысле), а целенаправленная военная игра на проверку боевых и волевых возможностей как наших пилотов так и техники. Вот пишут же древние украинцы на своих "Цензорах" (прости господи!) что мол у "ваты" "литаки це ржавые". А вдруг правда?. Вот и нашим израильским "друзьям" интересно. А что? А вдруг?
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 4 October 2015 15: 12 New
            0
            Quote: Petergofsky73
            Вот пишут же древние украинцы на своих "Цензорах" (прости господи!) что мол у "ваты" "литаки це ржавые".


            Угу... Ну совсем как их подводная лодка "Запорижжя"...

            So at least we have rusty ones, but they don’t have such ones either ...

            И чего это они так задергались после того, как "ржавые российские литаки" начали ИГИЛ в Сирии бомбить ???
            1. Peterhof 73
              Peterhof 73 4 October 2015 18: 47 New
              0
              Это элементарно! Древние украинцы дотумкали, что их полтора года лупили таксисты, шахтёры, водопроводчики,охранники супермаркетов, да кто угодно только не "опившаяся стекломоя вата". А шо? А вдруг? А нас за шо?
    2. kot stepan
      kot stepan 4 October 2015 11: 39 New
      +3
      Ребята,вы своё ещё получите. Факт. Это лишь вопрос времени.Думаете останетесь в стороне? Ваш вклад в "борьбу" с радикалами никто не забудет. Выбор у вас будет небольшой - или исламисты-боевики в ваших городах или "старые кони" над Тель-Авивом.
      And then you smile.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 4 October 2015 12: 52 New
        +6
        Ваш вклад в "борьбу" с радикалами никто не забудет.


        Не стоит переоценивать этот "вклад". Израилю главное обеспечить безопасность своего существования в арабском вулкане и сохранить государственность. Это на сегодня ему гарантируют только США и последние пять лет арабские монархии. Активность Израиля целиком обусловлена требованием верблюжатников, которые не обладают тонкой еврейской духовной конституцией, и грубо, по-бедуински кричат и топают ногами, прямо как одесский рэкетир на мануфактуре дядюшки Аарона (Едем к дядюшке Аарону, мама будет рада!) От того бедолаги крутятся как могут.

        Another question is if something changes, and the Russian Federation can provide security to Israel strategically, then stopudovo it will not become an ally for money. Even more so, peace in the region, clear definitions of borders, state treaties and the development of the richest region, this is in the interests of Israel. Who can provide this? I'm afraid no one is today. Today, the only task is the destruction of Islamic radicalism. If Russia shows that this is not power, but only a misunderstanding generated by disunity and squabbles in the Middle East, then ISIS, Al Qaeda or some other Nusra will cease to exist, because they go there for strength, strengthening their movement. The lack of power will overthrow these movements to the level of a petty sect, despised and beaten. The East is a delicate matter, but no thinner than an indisputable force.
        1. kot stepan
          kot stepan 4 October 2015 22: 18 New
          0
          And while Israel is crap, as soon as it can.
          http://lifenews.ru/news/163016 там типичное гадство "бедолаг".Подобных фактов немало.
    3. vorobey
      vorobey 4 October 2015 11: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: beitar
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow



      But plow shallow)))


      controversial statement ...
      1. rererilka
        rererilka 5 October 2015 00: 46 New
        0
        Quote: vorobey
        controversial statement ...

        Achoa, Sanya, I’m so koumeka, the order will be, we will plow along, and in half, and to bounce drinks
    4. Xergey
      Xergey 4 October 2015 12: 13 New
      +1
      How unpleasant it is for you to read, see and hear that you do not even want to notice the obvious.
    5. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 4 October 2015 12: 18 New
      +3
      Plow at most do not spoil))!
    6. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 4 October 2015 14: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: beitar
      Quote: Hubun
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow



      But plow shallow)))


      В данном случае "глубина вспашки" не критична. Главное, чтобы "сорняк" полёг.
  23. stdemetrio
    stdemetrio 4 October 2015 11: 28 New
    0
    How are they? Isn’t it that democracy is letting go slowly? Crazy Americans, now there will be a glorious trend for our eyes - a change in the broadcasting vector of their pathetic newspaper
  24. roskot
    roskot 4 October 2015 11: 31 New
    +1
    Although the spool is old, it’s expensive.
  25. Region 23
    Region 23 4 October 2015 11: 33 New
    +3
    In Russia, not only planes but also pilots are the best in the world.
  26. armata37
    armata37 4 October 2015 11: 33 New
    +5
    Both planes are good. And Su-24, and Su-34. The new must worthily continue the work of the old.

    As for specifically the Su-24 and the rising hysteria of NATO (the main thing for the USA), this is our plane, as it were, sending them greetings from the USSR. To not forget!
  27. beer-youk
    beer-youk 4 October 2015 11: 40 New
    +3
    Когда еще наши заклятые "друзья" оснастят ИГ серьезными средствами ПВО... А до той поры этот старичок много дурной кровушки попортит!
  28. Peterhof 73
    Peterhof 73 4 October 2015 11: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: Oleneboy_
    Quote: Petergofsky73
    Good day to all forum users! This is my first comment. I want to ask the opinion of specialists and not only: why are there no identification marks (stars) on our planes in Syria, while tactical ones are present?

    How is this missing?


    I carefully watched the broadcast footage and drew attention to this. It is also curious that the color of the SU-34 is dark gray (Serdyukovskaya), and the SU-24 is silver (Shoigu). Perhaps this makes some sense. It seems to me that everything will be tested on sorties, including the best options for camouflage painting.
  29. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 4 October 2015 11: 47 New
    +1
    The old ones are old, you can’t argue, but they do their job right. Once the choice in Syria fell on them, that means the VKS leadership trusts them, and there would have been an unsuccessful machine, if it had stood in the arsenal of the Air Force for so many years. with delight, I won’t lie, I too, Irkutsk is trying, but we want more ... more modern, beautiful airplanes.
  30. nikolaev
    nikolaev 4 October 2015 11: 49 New
    15
    As a well-known journalist of the leading edition of the exclusive and democratic West, after asking permission from the editorial office, he called the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry with the question:

    - How do you distinguish between ordinary terrorists and moderate ones during the bombing in Syria?
    The girl switched me to the duty officer, who very politely explained:
    - Even before the start of the military operation in Syria, a decisive decision was made at the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry. The essence of this decision is our traditional desire for Russia to strictly abide by the principles of legality and justice. So now, all of our ammunition is divided into two categories: ordinary and moderate. Against ordinary terrorists, we use exclusively conventional ammunition. And against moderate terrorists, we use exclusively moderate ammunition. So don’t worry, we take into account the moderation of some of the terrorists and treat them fairly.
    After these words, it became much easier for me. But I still clarified:
    “Do you really use mild ammunition against moderate terrorists, is that true ?!”
    The interlocutor replied:
    - The word of the Russian officer!
    I felt very good. To bring final clarity, I asked:
    - Tell me, how much do your conventional ammunition differ from the moderate ones?
    - Наши обычные боеприпасы отличаются от боеприпасов умеренных, ровно на столько же, насколько обычные террористы в Сирии, отличаются от террористов умеренных: они покрашены другой краской, в более светлых и более умеренных тонах - ответил офицер и повесил трубку."

    Runet's work


    --------------------
    "Как тяжело жить, когда с Россией никто не воюет".
    Henry John Temple Palmerston, English statesman, 1848
  31. Bort radist
    Bort radist 4 October 2015 11: 50 New
    +3
    A plane with a difficult fate.
    "Летные испытания самолетов Су-24 сопровождались большим числом летных происшествий. Всего было потеряно 10 самолетов, в том числе: по вине конструкции — 3 (обрыв тяги поворотного пилона, разрушение механизма поворота левой консоли крыла, отказ системы продольного управления самолетом), все остальные — из-за двигателя АЛ-21Ф3 (титановые пожары и взрывы камер сгорания). Кроме того, в летных испытаниях было потеряно 4 самолета Су-24М. К сожалению, это сопровождалось гибелью людей. Погибло 13 летчиков-испытателей и штурманов ОКБ П. О. Сухого, НАЗ и ГНИКИ ВВС: С. Лаврентьев, Н. Рухлядко, В. Кречетов, М. Юров, В. Волошин, Ю. Юмашев, В. Кузнецов, Л. Сорокин, А. Косарев, В. Кондратьев, А. Власов, В. Никитин, Г. Гридусов. Катапультировались и остались живы 8 человек: А. Щербаков, В. Дашков, В. Плотников, В. Глинчиков, А. Данилин, В. Лотков, Н. Саттаров, О. Цой."
    I remembered that before that there were not even numbers SU-7, SU-15, but here 24. They were prepared as an attack aircraft, but he became a front-line bomber. I remember in 75 (Lithuania or Belarus) showed the board on a joke. Asked why? And at this time, state trials either ended or went. In short showed the opportunity to see the attack. In general, the slave flew into the fragments of what the leader had sketched. He flew by and sat down with broken planes.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 4 October 2015 12: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Bort Radist
      Prepared as an attack aircraft, but he became a front-line bomber.



      Hmm ... the Yak-28 was being prepared to replace the IL-28 front-line bomber, and it turned out to be a heavy all-weather fighter-interceptor ...

      Anything can happen ...
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 4 October 2015 13: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: veksha50
        Hmm ... the Yak-28 was being prepared to replace the IL-28 front-line bomber, and it turned out to be a heavy all-weather fighter-interceptor ...

        IL - 28 can be attributed to the centenarians in Vietnam fought. I was trained as a gunner - radio operator and IL-28, and served on the AN-12.
        Anything can happen.
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 4 October 2015 13: 05 New
        -1
        Yak-28L, Yak-28I- bombers, these aircraft replaced ILs, and the Yak-28P-interceptor was not related to the bombers.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 4 October 2015 16: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: bober1982
          Yak-28L, Yak-28I- bombers, these aircraft replaced ILs, and the Yak-28P-interceptor was not related to the bombers.



          IL-28 is a front-line low-speed bomber, the most reliable machine ...

          The Yak-28, which was planned for him to replace, turned out to have too high performance characteristics, for which reason it even became a fighter-interceptor ...

          But his reliability, especially as a front-line bomber, could not compare with the IL-28 ...

          In the modification of the bomber, he became the carrier of tactical nuclear weapons ... And also was used as a scout ...

          Despite the rather large number of aircraft built (and operated in combat units), it was never officially adopted for service ...
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 4 October 2015 16: 46 New
            0
            in terms of accident rate, no one could compare with the Yak-28, not only the ILs, those who flew on the Yak could fly anything. A very beautiful plane, but of course a peculiar one. The armament was personally adopted by Khrushchev, such times were. When they love talk about the complexity and accident rate of the Su-24 is empty talk.
  32. KnightRider
    KnightRider 4 October 2015 11: 51 New
    13
    Outdated design? For me, so handsome, swift, predatory ...
  33. Vundervaflya
    Vundervaflya 4 October 2015 11: 52 New
    -18
    After all, we also have newer and more effective bombers - the same Su-25s, for which purpose it was necessary to send modernized but already outdated 24s to Syria?
    1. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 4 October 2015 12: 24 New
      +4
      Apparently, to solve various problems. After all, it is known that the SU-25 attack aircraft is mainly for working at low altitudes. I believe that the SU-24 fulfills an object from a great height with something heavier, and when the broads (who survived) scatter (scatter in jeeps), then the SU-25th will finish them. Sorry if a little naive, but in my opinion somehow.
      1. your1970
        your1970 4 October 2015 13: 09 New
        +3
        осмелюсь предположить-что разбегающихся возможно гоняют МИ-24(он хоть и старенький тоже-но "посыпать мелом" может тоже как следует...)
        1. Peterhof 73
          Peterhof 73 4 October 2015 17: 37 New
          0
          Безусловно, но это уже называется "полирнуть"
    2. KnightRider
      KnightRider 4 October 2015 12: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: Wunderwaffle
      After all, we also have newer and more effective bombers - the same Su-25s, for which purpose it was necessary to send modernized but already outdated 24s to Syria?

      Su-25s are attack aircraft. I think that it makes no difference to terrorists which aircraft to die: outdated or new laughing
  34. Dart2027
    Dart2027 4 October 2015 12: 01 New
    0
    In general, inside is more than outside.
  35. veksha50
    veksha50 4 October 2015 12: 03 New
    +2
    "однако российские бомбардировщики с полувековой историей still represent an effective means of hitting targets"...


    "Военный летчик-испытатель, Герой России Магомед Толбоев сравнил возможности штурмовиков Су-25 и А-10 Thunderbolt II
    Read more: http://42.tut.by/439757

    И, в общем то, наш "старичок" превосходит амерский штурмовик по многим параметрам...

    Tested and reliable weapons ... Like the AK-47, still still occasionally found on the vast expanses of the world ...
  36. dorward
    dorward 4 October 2015 12: 05 New
    +1
    Цитата: Region 23
    In Russia, not only planes but also pilots are the best in the world.

    Then I agree drinks
  37. UNAUTHORIZED
    UNAUTHORIZED 4 October 2015 12: 10 New
    0
    Explain to the illiterate: the combat radius of 560 km is normal. In my opinion, it is not serious for a bomber.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 4 October 2015 12: 45 New
      +2
      Su-24 is a front-line aircraft designed for striking targets located at the front line and in the rear of the enemy.
      The range in 560 km is quite sufficient for him.
  38. AlexYa
    AlexYa 4 October 2015 12: 30 New
    0
    Вот. что "Хибины" животворящие с скими мозгами делают.
  39. tiheros
    tiheros 4 October 2015 12: 52 New
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    Normally, they have the task of bombing front-line targets with a maximum bomb load, several times a day.
  40. Bor
    Bor 4 October 2015 13: 02 New
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    A sense of pride has returned to our aircraft. And the name is new - the Aerospace Forces are very inspiring!
  41. Orlenok ILLI4A
    Orlenok ILLI4A 4 October 2015 13: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: vorobey
    "Российский истребитель Су-30СМ своими действиями вынудил покинуть воздушное пространство над Сирией пилота американского штурмовика А-10. " - собщается в эфире американской радиостанции CNN
    "При выполнении задач в небе над Сирией, наш пилот столкнулся с ситуацией, которая вынудила его покинуть сирийское воздушное пространство и вернуться на базу ВВС США. На второй минуте полета он подвергся "перехвату" российским истребителем Су-30СМ, пилот которого недвусмысленно дал понять, что необходимо прекратить полет и покинуть сирийскую территорию. Интересно, как на такие "принуждающие" действия России будут в дальнейшем реагировать в Вашингтоне?" - отмечает ведущий CNN Вольф Блитцер.

    How? Hire experienced psychologists and rehabilitate the crap pilot.
  42. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 4 October 2015 13: 35 New
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    Су-24 не плохой самолёт, но всё же это прошлый век. У Су-34 совсем другая аэродинамическая компоновка, фюзеляж выполняет несущую функцию, поэтому сечение миделя меняет свою конфигурацию от носовой до хвостовой части. Это так на вскидку, о боевой эффективности пока судить сложно, их проверять и проверять. Вот это видно, и спланировано. Один из первых сюжетов показал, что "привозы" пока есть. ( на левой нижней подвеске фюзеляжа, при посадке, наблюдалась КАБ). Конечно, сразу грешить на не сброс сложно, возможно, это просто управляемый процесс. И последнее, большее количество Су-24 ещё объясняется вероятными потерями, ну дайте быть объективными, это война. Конечно, будем надеяться на благополучный исход.
  43. aleksandroff
    aleksandroff 4 October 2015 13: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: lonely
    Quote: Manul
    Maybe you are right in some ways, but everyone has such a compulsion, even the Americans.


    Ilya, I’m not saying that they should be immediately dumped. It’s just that the majority here are accustomed to praise and slander the same. I am tired of such a jingoistic mood. On the site, most people are engaged only in patriotism. And there are fewer and fewer professionals.

    Zadolbali called people who respect themselves, their homeland (and everything connected with it) and their president as Uriapatriots. So you are a paid troll who is feeling bad. You don’t understand the fuck yourself, but you want to teach everyone.
  44. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 4 October 2015 13: 44 New
    +1
    For a bomber, a glider is a secondary thing, a cobra or a bell does not need to be done. Well, in terms of modernization, look at what China did with the Tu-16. Highlights of modernization: The cabin is unified with 34 coys, self-diagnosis systems, and something needs to be done with the engines. Increase power and efficiency. I think the number of upgrades will be many more and serve Su 24ka for another 30-50 years.
  45. good_soul
    good_soul 4 October 2015 14: 05 New
    +5
    He served as an officer on the Su-24 and Su-24M from 1982 to 1989 in all radium groups - REO, EW, PNK. Materiel worthy of respect! And, by the way, he repeatedly participated in special suspension. It was in the Air Force GSVG and the Air Force ZabVO.
  46. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 October 2015 15: 05 New
    +2
    For these conditions, the Su-24 is the most optimal aircraft.
    Our whole sky, no air defense, no enemy aircraft.
    Так что лучше с максимальной пользой "добить" ресурс Су-24,
    than to spend and so a small resource of newer aircraft.
    New aircraft purely as a break-in released.
  47. beitar
    beitar 4 October 2015 15: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Kil 31
    Quote: beitar
    Quote: Hubun
    The old horse does not spoil the furrow



    But plow shallow)))

    Well, you know better. You pros don't get rid of junk. But for some reason, tell everyone that you plow deeply. hi



    From our tank fleet, the oldest are two 83 years old
  48. Wolka
    Wolka 4 October 2015 16: 41 New
    +1
    The Su-24 is somewhat difficult to pilot, but with the updated elektronachinok still able for a long time to be in service and successfully operated as intended ...
  49. Pate
    Pate 4 October 2015 17: 24 New
    0
    It would not hurt to test the X-31P now, after all, after capturing the ISIS Syrian Air Force base, they probably acquired radars.
  50. IAlex
    IAlex 4 October 2015 18: 05 New
    +1
    Aircraft like airplanes, albeit old, but working and effective against bobbins ...
    1. 740
      740 4 October 2015 18: 25 New
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      Quote: IAlex
      Aircraft like airplanes, albeit old, but working and effective against bobbins ...

      Baboons are very fighting monkeys laughing .