Media: Pentagon fears that Russians in Syria may learn the secrets of F-22

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The US Air Force fears that the Russians during the operation in Syria may receive secret information about the F-22 fighter, which is hardly noticeable to radars, writes National Interest magazine. The article published in it leads RIA News.



“The operation in Syria will allow Russia, on the one hand, to test advanced Su-30CM and Su-34 aircraft in real combat conditions. With the same purpose, the United States launched its own F-22 Raptor in the region, ”a spokesman for the United States Air Force told the publication.

On the other hand, the source said, Su-30CM and Su-34 may be assigned the task of “getting information about F-22”.

"Using aviation station warning radar exposure (STR), you can get the radiation characteristics of the F-22 radar in real conditions. This is not a very traditional intelligence gathering as such, but in this way you can find out how STRs perceive and display F-22 radar radiation. ” - told the source of the magazine.

This opinion was not shared by another representative of the intelligence agency. According to him, "as a rule, specialized aircraft, such as the Il-20M, are used by the Russian military to gather intelligence."

He also suggested that Russia used fighter jets to prevent espionage from Western aircraft. “Probably, Su-30CM is deployed not for the purpose of air defense, but to scare off and push aside reconnaissance aviation assets that may come close to the Russian operating base,” the source said.
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  1. +181
    3 October 2015 14: 22
    If you are afraid, why did you send your planes there? So the vaunted F-22 is invisible only to Aboriginal spears. If you want to hide your invisibility, sit at home in the USA.
    1. +115
      3 October 2015 14: 24
      1. Su-34 was used in Georgia.
      2. Who said that Russia still does not know something about the Raptor ?!
      3. Afraid, that means they know that there are shoals of fe-22.
      1. +173
        3 October 2015 14: 31
        Question to the American:
        “Why do you Americans don’t like Russians?”
        - Well, you see, Russians have a lot of complexes ...
        Anti-aircraft missile systems ...
        1. +23
          3 October 2015 14: 33
          Pentagon fears Russians in Syria might learn F-22 secrets
          ... can prove and trumpet the whole world that this is plywood crap! Kharchevskii proved on Sushka (look for a video on YouTube) that in a real (it was of course a training, but ...) battle - their "samziki" and flyers are darned fuckers !!! soldier
          1. +43
            3 October 2015 16: 41
            Their aircraft have their own advantages and disadvantages. We have ours.
            If the pilot is experienced and can correctly use the advantages of his aircraft, then underestimating such an enemy is very stupid.
            And if he still knows the flaws of the enemy’s aircraft, the chances of success increase significantly.
            Therefore, the Americans are justifiably afraid. And then I understand their concerns. Better than the F-22 they have nothing.
            1. +72
              3 October 2015 17: 01
              Much worse than the "best aircraft in the United States" is the 5th column in our government and parliament (http://topwar.ru/83581-pyataya-kolonna-imena-i-familii.html) ...
              Our beautiful "complexes" are powerless against it. And it is necessary to overcome the 5th column, otherwise, having won the battles in Syria, Iraq and Ukraine, we can lose the war to the United States as a whole.
              1. +26
                3 October 2015 17: 20
                Yes, the 5th column is the most powerful weapon in the United States.
                Entangling the enemy’s people is much more effective, safer (for the USA), cheaper and longer-term than full-fledged military operations.
                1. +17
                  3 October 2015 20: 46
                  This is just a good reason to run away from the Russians from Syria with our heads held up proudly, like we left so that the Russians would not find out the main secret of the raptor ... The 5th convoy in the Russian Federation simply at a certain point did not justify the trust and did not work out these costs. Poor America was convinced that the Russian Federation would not rise, which means that it is not necessary to modernize the strategic forces and they have reached the point of no return, the same aviation, the same raptor - the product of the same error when they are not confronted by a global military-space forces system, with the MRIS system, as well as local air defense systems of banana states. The result - our fifth column brought terrible damage to the USA, but in fact deprived the Anglo-Saxons of power over the planet.
                  1. +1
                    4 October 2015 16: 19
                    Quote: hrych
                    This is just a good reason to run away from Russians from Syria

                    come .., they forgot that the bear that did not lie in the den becomes a connecting rod: and now they run until spring (prey however) .... although it’s not a fact that they succeed, the bear will tear everything. Those who saw the winter hut after visiting will understand.
                2. +4
                  4 October 2015 00: 26
                  Divide and rule. The most important satanic weapon.
                3. +2
                  4 October 2015 12: 10
                  a donkey loaded with gold often opens the gates of impregnable fortresses than the most powerful army!
              2. 0
                3 October 2015 19: 42
                That's for sure. Far worse in everything.
              3. -11
                4 October 2015 16: 35
                I absolutely agree, I read and watched the video about voting in the Duma on this law. How United Russia acted is understandable, otherwise it could not have acted the State Department and the West would have been unhappy. The EP-5 column was created by the West under the smart cover UNITED RUSSIA and we suckers swallowed it again. As soon as the people began to sober up and understand where they were taking us again, I mean education they immediately threw a cry to us; OUR CRIMEA and we voiced URYA FOR GOOD. We went to the game of sanctions, everything is forbidden, we do not give anything, but you will have everything. After Crimea, we realized that we have no agriculture or industry, and not only ordinary people began to ask questions louder. And again, we will help the Syrian brothers, we again urya and they solemnly report to the Anglo-Saxons everything is going according to the plan, the boss is all in a bundle. I just do not understand who Putin is with, the government is clear 5 column United Russia too. And what other parties are doing ???????????? ??????
                1. +6
                  4 October 2015 17: 10
                  You and people like you are only able to ask questions. Others must work. And do not speak on your behalf for others. Usually end in disrepair _
            2. +4
              3 October 2015 18: 35
              Duck the only secret of F-22 is that he will lose the battle even to our 4 generation aircraft, like Mig-29 and Su 27 and higher. Here is the disclosure of this particular secret of the mattress are most afraid.
              1. +11
                3 October 2015 19: 10
                Quote: crazyrom
                that he will lose the fight even ...

                Yeah, I see right in the clear sky the Raptor to our Drying _ I am coming to you! Oksti darling! When Yusovtsy fought so! Ten at one or around the corner with a club at the back of the head! Here for the second option, the 22nd is especially good!
                And so offhand
                1. 0
                  3 October 2015 22: 07
                  It looks like someone is not sitting still
                  http://warfiles.ru/show-96801-v-nebe-sirii-rossiyskie-su-30-perehvatili-izrailsk
                  ie-f-15.html
                2. +11
                  3 October 2015 22: 16
                  Quote: Cynic
                  Yeah, I see right in the clear sky the Raptor to our Drying _ I am coming to you! Oksti darling! When Yusovtsy fought so! Ten at one or around the corner with a club at the back of the head! Here for the second option, the 22nd is especially good!
                  And so offhand

                  But according to these characteristics (pictures), it is impossible to say who will win the aerial combat. Here, if you had given the possibilities of radar, the range of air-to-air missiles, maneuvering, weapons at close range .. Then conclusions could be drawn from this.
                  1. +2
                    4 October 2015 10: 52
                    Quote: Manul
                    .That if you brought the possibility of radar, the range of air-to-air missiles, maneuvering, weapons at close range ..

                    Why take bread from others, well, this is a joke of humor, if that.
                    The network of this information ... Another conversation on how much you can trust her.
                    For example
                    So, it makes sense to compare the "dueling" capabilities of the Su-35 and F-22A "Raptor" radar systems. A Russian vehicle equipped with an Irbis can detect a target with an RCS of 0.1-0.5 m2 (that is, a Raptor) at a distance of 165-240 km. The American fighter "sees" its enemy with a much larger (about 1 m2) RCS also at a distance of about 200 km. Thus, the inconspicuous Raptor with its AFAR in terms of the airborne radar complex does not have real superiority over the modernized Sukhoi in missile air combat at "non-visual" range! And this is just one of those most important parameters, in which the American military counted on the unconditional advantage in which the Raptor over any similar machines.
                    ...
                    And we do not yet have the opportunity to assess how correct they are - the F-22 has not yet been able to "light up" live. The Americans keep their plane away from our locators, keeping a veil of secrecy over the real properties of the stealth of their "super fighter". Our manufacturers' data on the capabilities of new aircraft onboard radars can also vary greatly. The F-22 is equipped with an AN / APG-77 radar:

                    About the fact that our failed to light the Raptor. Well, whoever believes it? And who will say !!!
                    And so on advertising he has
                    F-35 JSF = 0,005 EPR (sq. M.)
                    F-117, B-2, F-22 = 0,01 - 0,001 EPR (sq. M.)

                    It turns out that the EPR is reduced a thousand times (!!!), but, according to information from the battlefields in Yugoslavia, it seems that the conversation is only about a 70% reduction in the EPR.
                    So the water is dark in the oblast!
                    1. 0
                      5 October 2015 19: 18
                      Quote: Cynic
                      About the fact that our failed to light the Raptor. Well, whoever believes it? And who will say !!!
                      And so on advertising he has
                      F-35 JSF = 0,005 EPR (sq. M.)
                      F-117, B-2, F-22 = 0,01 - 0,001 EPR (sq. M.)
                      It turns out that the EPR is reduced a thousand times (!!!), but, according to information from the battlefields in Yugoslavia, it seems that the conversation is only about a 70% reduction in the EPR.
                      So the water is dark in the oblast!

                      hi Thank! Very informative!
                3. 0
                  3 October 2015 22: 26
                  Thank you, very clearly.
            3. 0
              3 October 2015 19: 55
              The Yankees don’t want to highlight the flaws! However, they will have to. During the application, all the mistakes will pop up.
              1. 0
                3 October 2015 20: 25
                Quote: ty60
                They don’t want the Yankees to highlight flaws!

                But what, something left unexposed? Over the years, only the lazy did not kick the Raptor, the last kick was like that its coating does not give the necessary absorption indicators and in preparation for the attack, due to the opening of the hatches, the 22nd becomes very noticeable.
                laughing
            4. 0
              4 October 2015 21: 07
              so this is understandable without it. Why rumor then say your fears. They just don’t have to fly there, let ISIS bomb in Iraq which ours, while they don’t fly there, Bye.
          2. 0
            3 October 2015 19: 00
            Well, you exaggerate. Pilots may not be suckers, but what
            fly on stools - it's a fact!
            1. 0
              3 October 2015 20: 27
              Quote: beer-youk
              fly on stools - it's a fact

              So Yusovtsy debugged the air supply in a suit or not?
              hi
              1. +1
                4 October 2015 10: 27
                So I understand, minus from someone who knows that this order has already been canceled, or what?
                The US Air Force imposed a limit on the maximum altitude of the F-22. According to the order of the Air Force Combat Command (ACC) of the US Air Force, the maximum flight altitude of the F-22 should not exceed 7,6 thousand meters - despite the fact that, according to the declared technical characteristics, the “ceiling” of the Raptor is about 20 thousand meters. The reason for this decision was an investigation whose purpose is to check on-board oxygen generation systems (OBOGS)

                Time has passed oh-oh-oh-oh
                Well, how does the Raptor fly at 15.9 thousand meters as stated, or 7.6 and truncated?
            2. +1
              4 October 2015 10: 58
              Quote: beer-youk
              Well, you exaggerate.

              In the search engine, type F-22 Raptor disadvantages , I was amazed at the result!
              Really only lazy did not kick ! But almost all kickers have the characteristic _ (retired).
              hi
          3. vex
            +1
            4 October 2015 00: 05
            Their technique is so secret that it is better to keep it away from the Russian military. Is always. Generally. In addition to the CIS, it now needs to be hidden also from Syria. But nothing, there are many countries in the world where you can fly without fear of revealing secrets.
          4. 0
            5 October 2015 08: 24
            Well, something like that as a whole. Caps really do not need to be thrown in hats. Kharchevsky will still be higher than the average combat pilot. I know that he didn’t do cadets either. But strength, bet on long-range air combat can spoil the blood. I think the truth is that we also have something to answer in this regard. Yes, and our raid has grown, it seems to reach almost that of mattress covers.
        2. +36
          3 October 2015 15: 38
          Quote: herruvim
          - Well, you see, Russians have a lot of complexes ..
        3. +3
          3 October 2015 16: 21
          It’s not entirely accurate, as far as I remember, there is the last phrase with a question mark, such as the dialogue continues _
          Anti-aircraft missile systems ?

          drinks
      2. +1
        3 October 2015 14: 35
        "Media: Pentagon Fears Russians in Syria May Learn F-22 Secrets"
        Of course we will! Valnem accidentally a couple, and then according to the run-in scenario as with f 15 in Vietnam was.
        1. +33
          3 October 2015 14: 45
          Why immediately bring down? In the article, it is said that our STRs will detect uncharacteristic for other planes known to us unmasking signs and carefully record them in the RNS.))
          1. +5
            3 October 2015 15: 11
            Well, what's the minus right away? We will not persuade them to blame!
            So we press on the earth.
          2. +1
            3 October 2015 15: 17
            Well, what are you arguing! Let the Americans not be afraid, ours has long been known to everyone about their planes. tongue
          3. 0
            6 October 2015 11: 06
            The Chinese say - not all frequencies will be recorded (especially at the top) bully hi
        2. +5
          3 October 2015 16: 45
          Well yeah ... Why think about the consequences. Let's just flip two planes of the most dangerous and predictably inadequate enemy of Russia and see what's inside.
        3. 0
          3 October 2015 22: 18
          Quote: Observer2014
          "Media: Pentagon Fears Russians in Syria May Learn F-22 Secrets"
          Of course we will! Valnem accidentally a couple, and then according to the run-in scenario as with f 15 in Vietnam was.

          We'll have to upset you, in terms of the fact that the McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle, which made its first flight in 1972, and entered service in 1976, due to its "infancy", was not in Vietnam ...

          All his "heroic life", proceeded mainly in the subsequent conflicts in BV, where he was pretty "pinched". Although, the Americans, and other "operators", declare that nothing of the kind.


          They probably lie ...
        4. +1
          3 October 2015 22: 18
          Quote: Observer2014
          "Media: Pentagon Fears Russians in Syria May Learn F-22 Secrets"
          Of course we will! Valnem accidentally a couple, and then according to the run-in scenario as with f 15 in Vietnam was.

          We'll have to upset you, in terms of the fact that the McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle, which made its first flight in 1972, and entered service in 1976, due to its "infancy", was not in Vietnam ...

          All his "heroic life", proceeded mainly in the subsequent conflicts in BV, where he was pretty "pinched". Although, the Americans, and other "operators", declare that nothing of the kind.


          They probably lie ...
      3. +26
        3 October 2015 14: 51
        Found a reason!
        Tomorrow they will announce: - "We left Syria because the Russians can learn our secrets! And this again shows the weakness of Russia!" wassat
        1. +4
          3 October 2015 22: 32
          If we act according to the Chinese method, then no one needs to be convinced of their strength. It is necessary to gradually but steadily move towards your goal, not paying attention to commentators and obstacles. The main goal to set yourself worthy.
      4. +2
        3 October 2015 17: 59
        The U.S. Air Force fears that the Russians during the operation in Syria may receive secret information about the F-22 fighter, which is hardly noticeable for radar

        They are afraid that they will force us to land in Latakia at our base.
      5. +3
        3 October 2015 21: 17
        If you are afraid, then do not fly in the sky of Syria. Americans, French, Jews, Turks and Saudis - no one allowed to fly there!
        Intelligence, on the other hand, is normal. After all, none of the same States does not complex when it sends its intelligence planes in our direction ... wink
        The Americans do not hold the "retaliation", they do not hold it at all. Even without joining the "battle" already trembling knees.
        1. +2
          3 October 2015 22: 35
          But they should not be underestimated, they have put the whole world (except for us, I hope) in an interesting knee-elbow position, you need to keep an eye on them!
      6. +2
        3 October 2015 21: 56
        2. Who said that Russia still does not know something about the Raptor ?!


        Well, for example, do you know the maneuvering algorithm (and it is automatic), according to which the F-22 and F-35 move without forming "shiny points" on the detected radars? Or do we somehow know the signatures of these devices in different ranges and from different angles? And here you can really learn something. And the developers of our T-50 have, for sure, a bunch of questions, and will be happy even with a hint of solving some of their problems
      7. 0
        4 October 2015 00: 08
        Su-34 was used in Georgia.
        Read more ....

        http://www.proza.ru/2009/04/02/963
    2. +3
      3 October 2015 14: 25
      Then, like ours, to experience in combat conditions.
      1. +25
        3 October 2015 14: 27
        Media: Pentagon fears that Russians in Syria may learn the secrets of F-22

        And the main secret: not to appear where Russian planes are - so they are most invisible!
      2. jjj
        +12
        3 October 2015 14: 29
        When performing tasks in the immediate vicinity, you can get some missing information. So there is a reason for the fears of Americans. All gaps in combat use are immediately visible.
        1. +5
          3 October 2015 15: 00
          Yes, just another fairy tale about invisibility will be immediately dispelled. And questions will be rained, why so much money was swollen if the king is still naked.
      3. +6
        3 October 2015 14: 30
        The second is sober than the first! laughing
    3. +22
      3 October 2015 14: 30
      “Probably, the Su-30СМ was deployed not for air defense purposes, but to scare off and push back reconnaissance aircraft that could come close to the Russian operational base,” said

      Quote: oleg-gr
      If you are afraid

      ... they say they are in a panic, because from their various power structures there are discrepancies regarding Russians in Syria, sometimes contradictory:
      - "Russian planes will fall" Kerry, State Department
      - "we will not fulfill the demands of the Russians to liberate the skies of Syria" Pentagon
      - Barack Obama wished Russia success in the fight against ISIS terrorists. This statement was made by the American president at a press conference in the White House. Obama stressed that fighting for leadership with Moscow in this situation would be foolish. Instead, the United States intends to work together.

      Here's another opinion on the actions of the Russian Air Force in Syria -
      In the United States, a poorly concealed panic began - they do not see Russian fighters ... Everyone saw 8 aircraft on the runway in Latakia, where 20 came from, they do not understand. From the word at all.

      This is the only explanation for all the nonsense that the media carry in response to the question of how Russian fighters ended up in Syria. And if NATO’s military radars in Turkey and Bulgaria did not see their flight, then all air-to-air systems do not see them. And that’s all. EVERYTHING! The United States does not have fighter aircraft. Also from the word at all. And I understand how this is possible. If not ... then this could have been done already at the end of the 80's. Well, F-35 is not a fighter at all, but a bomber, which even F-15 plays aerial fights with a bang. It was made for the bombing of rebellious Aborigines, who have nothing but a sling, counting on the time when Russia (and China?) Will be gone.
      ...
      Here you want it or not - you’ll start asking for partners.

      Source: http://politikus.ru/events/59371-glavnaya-zagadka-mirovoy-politiki.html
      1. +27
        3 October 2015 14: 40
        continued ...
        Russians tightly closed the sky over Syria
        An interview with ex-US Colonel Jack Jacobs appeared in a Saudi newspaper yesterday, who said that the United States could not interfere with the Russians in Syria, since Russia had established a "closed zone" over it.

        This means that any military aircraft entering the combat zone can be shot down, as a threat to the Russian Air Force.

        At the same time, American sources claim that the Russian Federation established a closed zone over the entire airspace of Syria, in addition, approaches to the air base in Latakia are also closed from the sea to a distance of 100-250 km from the coast of the Russian fleet’s exercise. Thus, the United States cannot even conduct air reconnaissance of the forces of the Russian Federation, deployed air defense systems.

        A source in the military circles of the American contingent in Turkey reported that aircraft approaching close to the Russian forces were illuminated by radar, while the source of the light could not be determined.

        "The Russians made it clear that they can see everything, and it is not worth going closer, otherwise they will be shot down."

        "To be honest, we were surprised by Russia's air defense systems, most likely there are the latest S-400 systems. I have no more ideas."
        Further away from me. Apparently, the "diplomatic patience" that Obama shows in making concessions to Russia is not entirely diplomatic, but caused by the utter fiasco of the US armed forces, which by bombing the Papuans have forgotten what it means to deal with a real enemy armed with modern aviation and anti-aircraft systems.

        The United States is trying to save face by pretending that they agree not to interfere with Russia in Syria, but in fact, they simply cannot interfere with Russia in Syria, since they are more likely to interfere with themselves, having lost their aircraft.

        http://warfiles.ru/show-96768-ssha-ne-mogut-meshat-russkim-v-sirii-tak-kak-russk
        ie-zakryli-nebo.html
        1. -13
          3 October 2015 14: 43
          so tightly closed that only yesterday the coalition bombed there?
          1. +14
            3 October 2015 14: 52
            Quote: Patriot22
            coalition bombed?

            you about it?
            02.10.2015
            An airstrike against a hospital of the international organization Doctors Without Borders in Afghanistan, which was allegedly carried out by US aviation, is not only a serious violation of international law.

            Original news RT in Russian:
            http://russian.rt.com/article/120977
            Or about another fake 3,14ndosmi? bully laughing fellow
            1. +5
              3 October 2015 15: 12
              Quote: Rus2012
              At the same time, American sources claim that the Russian Federation established a closed zone over the entire airspace of Syria, in addition, approaches to the air base in Latakia are also closed from the sea to a distance of 100-250 km from the coast of the Russian fleet’s exercise. Thus, the United States cannot even conduct air reconnaissance of the forces of the Russian Federation, deployed air defense systems.

              We will no longer hear about the bombing of ISIS positions by US aircraft.
          2. +22
            3 October 2015 14: 57
            Quote: Patriot22
            so tightly closed that only yesterday the coalition bombed there?

            Well, not kaolitsiya ... but the states. Not in Syria, but in Afghanistan. Judging by UkroSMI reports, she did not bomb, but as if she hit the hospital with an "intellectual" weapon ...
            With these amendments you have a wonderful comment!
            1. -9
              3 October 2015 15: 02
              Coalition and in Syria

              "" "The coalition of states led by the United States continued to strike at the positions of the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, reports DW with reference to Reuters.

              In particular, on Friday, October 2, the US-led coalition against the Islamic State carried out 28 strikes on the positions of Islamists in Syria and Iraq ""

              ps yes Rus fake mi, I forgot that politic is the most truthful media in the world
              1. +8
                3 October 2015 15: 05
                Quote: Patriot22
                DW with reference to Reuters

                and these last two are "holier" than the Virgin Mary?
                Do not make people laugh pitriot 3,14ndo! laughing laughing laughing
                1. -3
                  3 October 2015 15: 21
                  Well, yes, except for Russian everyone lies
              2. +6
                3 October 2015 15: 15
                Quote: Patriot22
                In particular, on Friday, October 2, the US-led coalition against the Islamic State carried out 28 strikes on the positions of Islamists in Syria and Iraq ""

                Is there at least one documentary evidence ?! With specific coordinates and an indication of goals - like ours?
                They have been "bombing" for a year - where are the results ?!
                As for the territory of Iraq - do not forget that so far there is no talk of it, maybe they bombed there .. like the Germans in the second half of the Second World War: as soon as our fighters see - their bombs (!) on their heads, and tear!
                1. -2
                  3 October 2015 15: 24
                  How do we have 2 videos of 30 sorties?
                  What results do you expect without a ground operation?
                  Thousands of militants were killed, several cities where ground forces were liberated (where there were Kurds and cities in Iraq)
                  1. +14
                    3 October 2015 15: 26
                    Quote: Patriot22
                    What results do you expect without a ground operation?

                    It is not clear what results you expect for three days of flights.
                    1. -1
                      3 October 2015 15: 34
                      Did I say that Russian strikes are doing something wrong? The results for 3 days of flights are excellent.
                  2. +18
                    3 October 2015 15: 39
                    Quote: Patriot22
                    How do we have 2 videos of 30 sorties?

                    Have you even counted the departures ?! Not in vain, I - oh, not in vain you, tovarisch, HERE lit up! One can feel the "regional committee" tempering! Fashington .. Videos Not Two - Much More! Only you do not know how to search. And besides, there is also a bunch of fake videos about allegedly killed by our "civilians" .. Something the ISIS members didn’t troll the Americans for their "bombing"! Not sure why? wassat
                    Quote: Patriot22
                    What results do you expect without a ground operation?
                    And she will not be - The president said this quite clearly! But you apparently did not understand it - I understand that the Russian language is not the easiest to learn .. especially if we also engage in verbiage, I .. laughing
                    So: in three days of "intelligent" and "polite" bombing, the Russian Aerospace Forces has much more effect than your "coalition" "even of 60 (!!!) states" in several months! Which suggests that The goals we have are DIFFERENT. And the allies too. hi
                    1. -1
                      3 October 2015 16: 01
                      Yes, liberated cities cannot be compared to a bombed invisible bunker
              3. +6
                3 October 2015 15: 29
                Link to link and link drive. Where is the original? Where is the message of the US Defense Ministry press service? Most likely a message from that English grocer who is listed as a Syrian human rights agency.
            2. +1
              3 October 2015 23: 10
              Quote: udincev
              Well, not coalition ... but the states. Not in Syria, but in Afghanistan

              And not bombed, but about ... wassat laughing belay
        2. +4
          3 October 2015 15: 11
          This part is especially impressive:
          Quote: Rus2012
          A source in the military circles of the American contingent in Turkey reported that aircraft approaching close to the Russian forces were illuminated by radar, while the source of the light could not be determined.

          "The Russians made it clear that they can see everything, and it is not worth going closer, otherwise they will be shot down."
          good
      2. +21
        3 October 2015 14: 46
        Quote: Rus2012
        - "we will not fulfill the demands of the Russians to liberate the skies of Syria" Pentagon


        Well, don’t free. You can just be helped to retire, unobtrusively ...
        ALSO ALREADY ADVISE, UNTIL: 2.10.2015
        CNN: "Russian plane pushed US attack aircraft out of Syria sky"

        "The Russian Su-30SM fighter by its actions forced the pilot of the American A-10 attack aircraft to leave the airspace over Syria." - the American radio station CNN reported

        “While performing missions in the skies over Syria, our pilot was faced with a situation that forced him to leave Syrian airspace and return to the US Air Force base. In the second minute of the flight, he was intercepted by the Russian Su-30SM fighter, the pilot of which made it clear, that it is necessary to stop the flight and leave Syrian territory. I wonder how Washington will react to such “coercive” actions of Russia in the future? " - notes the host of CNN Wolf Blitzer.

        Source: http://fishki.net/photo/1683673-rossijskij-samolet-vytesnil-shturmovik-ssha.html
        © Fishki.net
        1. +6
          3 October 2015 16: 08
          Quote: AleksUkr
          "we will not comply with Russian demands for the liberation of Syrian skies" the Pentagon
          Does the Pentagon have options? request No need to test the patience of the Russians! They are asked, do not interfere. And the requirements will have to be fulfilled, Russia is in Syria at the request of a legitimate government, and gentlemen, mattresses what are they doing? And most importantly, on the basis of what?
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    4. +13
      3 October 2015 14: 41
      Bulletin of Russia
      CNN: “A RUSSIAN AIRPLANE PUSHED A US STORM ATTACK FROM SKY SYRIA”

      "The Russian Su-30SM fighter by its actions forced the pilot of the American A-10 attack aircraft to leave the airspace over Syria." - the American radio station CNN reported

      “While performing missions in the skies over Syria, our pilot was faced with a situation that forced him to leave Syrian airspace and return to the US Air Force base. In the second minute of the flight, he was intercepted by the Russian Su-30SM fighter, the pilot of which made it clear, that it is necessary to stop the flight and leave Syrian territory. I wonder how Washington will react to such “coercive” actions of Russia in the future? " - notes the host of CNN Wolf Blitzer.

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      1. -11
        3 October 2015 14: 43
        Yeah, that's just that neither CNN has it, nor Wolf Blitzer said that.
        Typical jaundice
        1. +1
          3 October 2015 14: 55
          Quote: Penetrator
          Quote: MainBeam
          What single did the attack aircraft do over Syria? A-10 is not a scout. If one, then not on a mission. It’s strange. If they wrote Russian fighters and forced the American attack aircraft to leave Syrian airspace, I would believe.

          Fake, most likely. "In the second minute of the flight, he was" intercepted "by a Russian fighter - the A-10 after takeoff turns out to be intercepted, near the base. The Americans are starting to whip up, as an example - such are the messages.
        2. +3
          3 October 2015 15: 02
          Quote: Patriot22
          Yeah, that's just that neither CNN has it, nor Wolf Blitzer said that.
          Typical jaundice

          Yeah ... Then the Bulletin of Russia from confidential sources learned about what Wolf wanted to say on CNN and made it public. Now, of course, in spite of not say.
          1. -1
            3 October 2015 15: 25
            Everything is simpler, someone invented and sites with a dubious reputation and poor popularity were picked up.
            Or was Blitzer's words written down only by oppps.ru?
      2. +2
        3 October 2015 15: 40
        Most likely a fake, in Incirlik where coalition planes fly out are not based Thunderbolts.
    5. 0
      3 October 2015 15: 01
      Yes, finally Americans have rummaged around, rummaging around everywhere, and then even cheating that ours can scout them)) Finally, let the Yankees fly the Yankees home)
      1. 0
        3 October 2015 15: 38
        The U.S. Air Force fears that the Russians during the operation in Syria may receive secret information about the F-22 fighter, which is hardly noticeable for radar

        Are they really so naive? Journalists, probably what Of course, they’ll write down everything and look at it and draw conclusions, but otherwise, all the time it was request
    6. -3
      3 October 2015 16: 05
      and where is f22, in Turkey, in Arabia? Like the conversation was that these planes are being thrown to Europe. And what will F22 do there, drive the aircraft? Stuffing some ...
      1. +2
        3 October 2015 16: 49
        It seems that no one read the message, and go out here in order to at least say something.
        Once again, I duplicate the part of the message:
        “The operation in Syria will allow Russia, on the one hand, to test advanced Su-30CM and Su-34 aircraft in real combat conditions. With the same purpose, the United States launched its own F-22 Raptor in the region, ”a spokesman for the United States Air Force told the publication.

        On the other hand, the source said, Su-30CM and Su-34 may be assigned the task of “getting information about F-22”.

        “Using aircraft radar warning radar (STR), it is possible to obtain the emission characteristics of F-22 radars in real conditions. This is not a very traditional intelligence gathering as such, but in this way you can find out how STRs perceive and display F-22 radar radiation, ”a source told the magazine.

        This opinion was not shared by another representative of the intelligence agency. According to him, "as a rule, specialized aircraft, such as the Il-20M, are used by the Russian military to gather intelligence."

        And again, a message from RBC:
        According to RBK, "The Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft arrived at the airbase in Latakia on October 1, writes The Financial Times"
    7. 0
      3 October 2015 17: 31
      Therefore, the F-22 did not participate in any conflicts. He was hiding in the United States. And the Americans scare everyone by its presence, showing "Hollywood videos" about this plane. I think that in a couple of days the F-22 will disappear in Syria and Iraq, so that the Russians do not learn the secret secrets of the F-22.
    8. +3
      3 October 2015 17: 46
      Quote: oleg-gr
      If you are afraid, why did you send your planes there? So the vaunted F-22 is invisible only to Aboriginal spears. If you want to hide your invisibility, sit at home in the USA.

      They are afraid that if at least one F-22 gets to us, then we will learn some technologies in invisibility and in radio electronics, to which they believe that the Russians have not reached. Well, the means of communication and the inputs to the control system, everything will have to be changed, and this is a multimillion-dollar cost and a loss of huge time.
      And they save F-22 in case America suddenly orders to shoot down Russian planes. But they are ready for battle and do not have to wait a few days until they are distilled from America and prepared for take-off.
      Therefore, your comment that "F-22 is invisible only to aborigines with spears" is a FULL understanding of the military-political situation in the area.
      Sorry for the harshness, but the F-22 fought well in Iraq, even though there were Russian air defense systems in Iraq
      Yes, still, do not consider me a supporter of the Americans, quite the contrary, I hate them, but we need to think really, there is a war and maybe this is their last trump card to stop Russia in Syria.
      1. +2
        3 October 2015 18: 14
        Quote: Алексей_К
        but the F-22 fought fine in Iraq

        I apologize to everyone, I accidentally made a mistake. F-117 fought in Iraq.
        1. +5
          3 October 2015 19: 28
          Quote: Алексей_К
          Quote: Алексей_К
          but the F-22 fought fine in Iraq

          I apologize to everyone, I accidentally made a mistake. F-117 fought in Iraq.

          When the F-117 fought in Iraq, there were no Russian systems there, there were Soviet ones, and the most extreme of the 60s was developed. But even they couldn’t fight normally - they did not work as part of the ACS. And along the way - they practically didn’t work at all - the United States agreed with a certain circle of the Iraqi military - and they simply did not fight stupidly.
          And the 117th our old radars were perfectly seen back in the 80s, immediately after their adoption in the United States - this is a real fact.
      2. -1
        3 October 2015 18: 18
        Quote: Алексей_К
        this is their last trump card to stop Russia in Syria.

        Sorry, it’s absurdly said.
        hi
        1. +2
          3 October 2015 20: 51
          Quote: Cynic
          Quote: Алексей_К
          this is their last trump card to stop Russia in Syria.

          Sorry, it’s absurdly said.
          hi

          I take an example from you. Here is one of your comments: "Kaku taku secret, unless HOW NEEDED _".
          This phrase definitely cannot be translated or simply understood.
          1. 0
            3 October 2015 21: 01
            Hello again . For a long time did not communicate. hi
            For those in the tank
            Quote: Tjeck
            We are unlikely to find out secret information; the Americans will screech it so as not to let the wreckage be examined.

            This is from the wreckage, which at least will say HOW IT IS NOT NECESSARY to design and make such airplanes.
            wink
            drinks
          2. +4
            3 October 2015 21: 01
            Quote: Алексей_К
            Here is one of your comments: "Kaku taku secret, unless HOW NEEDED _".
            This phrase definitely cannot be translated or simply understood.

            If, then of course, because and how, and most likely laughing wassat
    9. +15
      3 October 2015 18: 45
      The network has the first photo of a polite Russian pilot! soldier
      1. +1
        4 October 2015 00: 27
        And, as is customary for polite, without any signs. )
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    11. +3
      3 October 2015 20: 28
      Quote: oleg-gr
      If you want to hide your invisibility, sit at home in the USA.

      What was it in Yugoslavia that "knocked down" the invisible? Compared to today's air defenses, they are almost spears. And nothing, even the natives can resist ...
    12. 0
      3 October 2015 20: 39
      It has long been necessary to do this !!!!!!
    13. 0
      3 October 2015 23: 49
      And the king is naked!
    14. 0
      3 October 2015 23: 57
      They do not want to send him there because he is invisible, no one should see him)))))
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  2. +11
    3 October 2015 14: 24
    The main secret is that it will be noticeable) Money down the drain ...
    1. +6
      3 October 2015 14: 28
      Well so they already understood everything. If you used to say F22 - the plane is invisible, now - an inconspicuous plane.
      The US Air Force fears that the Russians during the operation in Syria may receive secret information about the F-22 fighter, which is inconspicuous for radar
      1. +5
        3 October 2015 14: 34
        Quote: Hariva
        Well so they already understood everything. If you used to say F22 - the plane is invisible, now - an inconspicuous plane.

        there were no statements about "invisibility", it was already circulated by the yellow press.
        1. +3
          3 October 2015 15: 02
          And who am I talking about ???
          writes National Interest magazine
  3. +6
    3 October 2015 14: 25
    and the "secrets" of the raptor for us, I suppose, are no longer secrets)
  4. +16
    3 October 2015 14: 25
    In direct collisions, the characteristics of the F-22 will be revealed.
    So they will find out who sees whom and from what distances; and who previously missiles are aimed at the target.
    And it is more pleasant to direct the S-300 complexes on the cruiser Moscow "live" to the F-22 than in theory.

    And I want to send Raptor to Syria; and afraid that we learn about him too much.

    1. +3
      3 October 2015 14: 35
      Quote: MainBeam
      And I want to send the Raptor to Syria; and afraid that we learn about him too much.

      They are already tama.
      American aircraft began to strike at the positions of militants "Islamic State" in Syria, reports "Naval Blog" with reference to ABC News and the Wall Street Journal.
      It is noted that the fifth-generation multi-purpose fighter F-22 Raptor, which had not previously been used in real combat conditions, are involved in the military operation. This information was confirmed by authoritative observers.

      http://topwar.ru/58734-f-22-nanesli-pervye-boevye-udary-v-sirii.html
      1. 0
        3 October 2015 14: 40
        Quote: GRAY
        It is noted that in a military operation involved fifth-generation F-22 Raptor multirole fighters that not used before in real combat conditions.

        Just because they are there does not mean that they are applied. Joke.
        I do not know how far they are deployed from our positions.
        They walk along the edge quietly, quietly, without falling into the zone of our influence.
    2. +3
      3 October 2015 14: 37
      The first Iraqi was lowered from the sky F-117, a week later most of the blocks were in Moscow ...
    3. +5
      3 October 2015 16: 46
      Quote: MainBeam
      In direct collisions, the characteristics of the F-22 will be revealed.

      What are the direct clashes? To begin with, our air group is bombing the ISIS, and what’s more about the F-22.
      Quote: MainBeam
      So they will find out who sees whom and from what distances; and who previously missiles are aimed at the target.

      The raptor, of course, can work on the ground, but amers have much more adapted planes for this work. And therefore I think our raptor pilots will not meet in the sky of Syria.

      Quote: MainBeam
      And it is more pleasant to direct the S-300 complexes on the cruiser Moscow "live" to the F-22 than in theory.

      Are we fighting with anyone, with ISIS or with the USA? I'm talking about an open confrontation ... This F-22, like the elusive Joe in that joke ... who cares if he needs. All the parameters have long been known to our specialists, and therefore it’s already open secret. hi
      1. -6
        3 October 2015 17: 25
        Quote: NEXUS
        What are the direct clashes?

        Well, recently there was information that our Su-30SM drove away the A-10. Isn't it a collision? I didn’t talk about air combat. The F-22 can cover the A-10, or something like that. For some reason the Yankos sent the F-22, not for assault operations. And "clash" is not necessarily "military confrontation." Or another example:
        A source in the military circles of the American contingent in Turkey reported that aircraft approaching close to the Russian forces were illuminated by radar, while the source of the light could not be determined.


        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: MainBeam
        So they will find out who sees whom and from what distances; and who previously missiles are aimed at the target.

        The raptor, of course, can work on the ground,

        On the air-to-air collision, I think that the detection of the enemy is feasibleоat a greater distance than hitting a target with a homing head. With stealth airplanes, the situation is generally incomprehensible to me for the reason that modern airplanes can receive information from ground-based air defense systems or from AWACS airplanes, and missile heads operate autonomously and independently in their own selfish interests.

        Quote: NEXUS
        Are we fighting with anyone, with ISIS or with the USA?

        I don’t think that our C300 / C400 complexes had ever had a real opportunity to observe the F-22 in range. But in Syria, the presence of these warring systems is taking place.
      2. -2
        3 October 2015 17: 41
        Quote: NEXUS
        Amer has much more adapted planes for this work.

        Did the F-22 replace the F-117?
        1. +3
          3 October 2015 17: 47
          Quote: Cynic
          Did the F-22 replace the F-117?

          But it’s nothing that these are planes of different classes and specializations? A raptor is a fighter for conquering in the air, and the F-117 is a bomber with elements of an attack aircraft and certainly with its performance characteristics. hi
          1. +1
            3 October 2015 18: 12
            Quote: NEXUS
            But nothing that these are planes of a different class and

            Yah .
            This is not for me, this is for the therapist, then the Pentagon.
            Did not bother the search engine _
            September 23, 2014 in the media there was information about the first combat use of the US Air Force F-22 against Islamists in Syria. The plane struck the city of Raqqa and its suburbs. [41] By February 2015, F-22s had completed at least 112 combat missions in the sky of Syria [42]. By June 2015, F-22s were included in each group of attack aircraft bombing Syria. One 11-hour flight is described, in which the F-22 clearly demonstrated its versatility, completing the strike mission, reconnaissance of the enemy’s ground forces, pointing other planes at the target and escorting bombers [43].

            Enough or more?
            Specialists say that all the troubles of 22 from the desire of the Yusovites in one plane to embrace the immense _ and attack aircraft, and fighter, and reconnaissance, and ...
            1. +1
              3 October 2015 18: 25
              Quote: Cynic
              Enough or more?

              And where did you see in my posts that I claimed that the Raptor cannot work on the ground? Or I, as in that song, something with my memory became ...
              I was just saying that he can, but he does not do it as well as say "WARDWARE" ...
              In addition, it is incomparably more expensive than many simpler machines capable of working on the ground.
              Quote: Cynic
              Specialists say that all the troubles of 22 from the desire of the Yusovites in one plane to embrace the immense _ and attack aircraft, and fighter, and reconnaissance, and ...

              And is this a problem only with Ф-22? ... in my opinion this problem is much aggravated with Ф-35. hi
              1. +1
                3 October 2015 19: 16
                Quote: NEXUS
                Where did you see in my posts that

                So I misunderstood
                Quote: NEXUS
                But nothing that these are planes of different classes and specializations? A raptor fighter for conquering in the air, and the F-117 is ...
                1. +2
                  3 October 2015 19: 19
                  Quote: Cynic
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  But nothing that these are planes of different classes and specializations? A raptor fighter for conquering in the air, and the F-117 is ...

                  And the f-117 bomber with the elements of an attack aircraft ... but not a fighter ... too slow, clumsy and in the clear sky visible even to the blind and cross-eyed majahid ...
                  1. 0
                    3 October 2015 19: 44
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    A f-117 bomber with attack elements ... but not a fighter ...

                    That's the conversation about F-22/35, not F-117 and that he came to replace him ...
                    Or how ?
                    laughing
                    Generally _
                    I know that you know that I know that you know ...

                    drinks
                    1. +2
                      3 October 2015 19: 51
                      Quote: Cynic
                      I know that you know that I know that you know ...

                      drinks
                      God bless them with the Raptors and Lightning ... we should bring the PAK FA to mind and put it into production, and the new generation Mikoyan's LFI would soon be made ... and let the amerovskie wunderwales continue to "delight" amerovskih taxpayers. hi
                      1. 0
                        3 October 2015 20: 38
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        PACK FA bring to mind and put into series, and

                        Consider it already, in spite of all, accomplished
                        Now PAK YES is our everything!
                      2. +2
                        3 October 2015 20: 42
                        Quote: Cynic
                        Now PAK YES is our everything!

                        It is still a long way to PAK ... the new TU-160 is closer ... much closer ... but I’m more interested in two other topics: the development of the 5 generation by MIG taking into account the developments on the MIG-1.44 and their work on the new interceptor ( conditionally MIG-41), about which not ours, but the Americans say that it will be hyper sound, while the speed characteristic-4,5-5 of the swing sounds ...
                      3. 0
                        4 October 2015 11: 12
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Before PAK YES it is still far ... closer the new TU-160 ... much closer ...

                        There is an expression best the enemy of the good , but rather, there’s a conversation that GOOD ENEMY OF THE BEST .
                    2. 0
                      3 October 2015 20: 47
                      Excuse me for interfering, but 117 is not an attack aircraft at all (not a single element). Even being a breakthrough semi-experimental aircraft, it successfully operated without any losses from a head threat, it did not need to provide a strip for a breakthrough for air defense. He himself, quietly broke through. In synthesis with blows cr. missiles and the actions of electronic warfare aircraft 117 entered the air defense zone of the IRCA with impunity, soaked the control centers and the control station and left with impunity. Here is a hint from the patrioto from the city of Urartu (an Iraqi city) why the Pentagon invented and put on the industrial flow F-z5. sneaky Americans are deploying. !!! They weighed all the pros and cons, thought and decided that it is easier to come up with tricky things than to spend your budget on diapers and the entire world aircraft industry was fooled --- the leading centers in Moscow and Beijing are also stealth jews, though they are lagging behind , after all, idiots have had many, many of these for a long time. And now the Americans have a program for a drone that can be mobilized and coupled with 22 and especially 35 (I want to draw attention to this ..) Stupid, they just have to cut the budget, our "teal" is one canopy wings will land them. The main thing is that the Chinese people supply us with motorcycles and all sorts of elementary things to us, otherwise our teal will not take off. Maybe you ask what I ask so shallowly (low). What kind of UAV is OK. Why is there no Su-35 in our regiment x and in Syria. That's right, I'm not ready. Questions? Cons? Words? * It's a pity, Mr. Rogozin does not participate in the topics. There are questions.
                      1. +1
                        3 October 2015 20: 58
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        Sorry for interfering, but 117 isn’t really a stormtrooper (not a single element)

                        And I said that the F-117 attack aircraft? In my opinion it was said that it can perform the functions of an attack aircraft, as a result of its low-speed, and that only at night in the absence of more or less advanced air defense ...
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        . In synthesis with strokes cr. .Rocket and actions of 117 EW aircraft entered the Iraqi Air Defense Zone with impunity

                        Did Iraq have multi-level high-tech anti-aircraft defense? Hmm ... this is news ...
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        The Pentagon invented and put on the industrial stream Ф-з5.

                        The stealth developments in the USSR began to be mastered long before the amers, and all their efforts to invent a super duper wunderwafel with super stealth technologies have been known and studied for a long time by our specialists ... Not one stealth will break through the layered air defense, be it at least three times Raptor, four times Hawk and ten lightning time ...
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        .Why there is no Su-35 in our regiments and in Syria.

                        The SU-35 passes through the ICG, and in Syria it has nothing to do. This is a machine to conquer the lordship in the air. Who should he fight with if ISIS does not have an air force?
                      2. 0
                        4 October 2015 11: 21
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        The main thing is that China needs us ...

                        Fully characterizes your knowledge in the field of aircraft construction. I myself am far from being a pro in these matters, I was just always interested and trying to keep up to date, but NORMAL ENGINES cannot do in China, despite the huge investments ... It is necessary to use something from the field of profanity to denote such statements like yours.
              2. 0
                3 October 2015 19: 31
                Quote: NEXUS
                in my opinion this problem is much aggravated in the F-35

                Hereditary diseases, if not cured, are exacerbated in subsequent generations. And in export ...
                Yes Yusovtsy not used to beating loot, one story with the F-104 that is worth. Recapture the interceptor ahead of its time into a fighter-bomber and push it to Europe ...
            2. 0
              3 October 2015 22: 05
              Specialists say that all the troubles of 22 from the desire of the Yusovites in one plane to embrace the immense _ and attack aircraft, and fighter, and reconnaissance, and ...

              The same can be said about the Su-30 and Su-35 and T-50.
              1. +1
                3 October 2015 22: 15
                Quote: clidon
                The same can be said about the Su-30 and Su-35 and T-50.

                Is this a fright then? Su-30 is a fighter-bomber, 35, like PAK FA, is a fighter for gaining superiority in the air ... And if you are talking about the universality of Amer and our aircraft, then I'm sorry, the tasks and the requirements for our machines are much more clear and well-formed.
                And if we recall how the same F-35 was positioned first and what the Americans now say about the concept of its use, then these are very different things.
                1. 0
                  3 October 2015 23: 07
                  That is, KABs and Fubs on the Su-30/35, as well as blocks of NURSs on the Su-35, is this for gaining superiority in the air? ) Well, at the same time, they plan a hanging container for reconnaissance purposes and target designation.
                  http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/310/yioj421.gif

                  There is no difference between our approaches and the American ones - except that they are going to remove (but will not remove in any way) the A-10 attack aircraft (with the F-35 replaced by the construction of which this does not affect in any way), but with us it seems leave the Su-25. Although not a fact.
                  Otherwise, everything is the same for everyone (expensive universal machines, or very cheap highly specialized for auxiliary tasks) and there will be less and less specialized machines. The park is shrinking at all and the nomenclature will fall.
                  1. +1
                    3 October 2015 23: 24
                    Quote: clidon
                    That is, CABs and Fubs on Su-30 / 35, as well as blocks of NURSs on Su-35, is this for gaining superiority in the air? )

                    Did I really say that the 30 and 35 cannot work on the ground? I’ll explain to you about the BASIC mission of these aircraft ... but excuse me, voice the main mission of the F-35, that is, its main task, for which he created ...
                    1. +2
                      3 October 2015 23: 37
                      That is, you think that the whole truth is hidden in the word "main"? Well, if an airplane can launch the same missile on the ground, is it very important that it is laid down as the main one or as an additional one? )
                      You're just trapped in the axiom (for some) "Fools do everything universal, but here everything is so special and correct". Although we have long been forced to make cars on the basis that they should be able to do almost everything WELL, and then what is required.

                      Well, take an example from the past F-16. What is it "main" - against the air or on the ground? Yes, both there and there. Although the basic requirements were "like a fighter". And more useful "as a drummer". And he almost became a stormtrooper. )
                      With regard to fifth-generation aircraft, everything, I repeat, is only getting worse - there will be fewer options, although something will be transferred to UAVs in the end.

                      PS If we talk about the versatility of the F-35, it is better to focus on its "vertical" version.
                      1. +2
                        3 October 2015 23: 49
                        Quote: clidon
                        That is, you think that the whole truth is hidden in the word "main"?

                        Exactly.

                        Quote: clidon
                        "Fools do everything universal, but here everything is so special and correct"

                        The fools, so far, apparently did not understand, or it is hard for them to realize that the technology is not at the level at the moment to make a machine that could equally well perform the functions of several classes of machines. This is confirmed by the fuss and chugging of amers from F-35.
                        Fortunately, no one has canceled the classification of cars and the concept of a fighter pair is still alive, and there is a clear classification of machines according to the tasks for which they are created. And if these machines are also capable of doing something, it’s an honor and praise to our designers.
                      2. 0
                        4 October 2015 08: 49
                        It remains to bring your statements to their logical conclusion and say that the shock functions of our aircraft appeared by chance. Well, they did and did op, they look - yes, here you can screw an impact rocket! And the Americans are puffing at her, but it doesn’t come out. Here we are lucky with the wisdom of design.

                        PS Fussing and panting among Americans (like fussing around panting around the Su-35 or T-50) are due to the high technological complexity of the machine in the first place.
                      3. +2
                        4 October 2015 10: 09
                        Quote: clidon
                        Well, they did and did op, they look - yes, here you can screw an impact rocket!

                        No ... do not distort my words. Unlike amers, our designers and the customer have never set the task of making a universal machine that would replace three classes of aircraft at once. And about "screwing a rocket", so sorry rocket science and, in general, the design of the arsenal for aircraft does not stand still, and is also developing. For the PAK FA, they are also making a new arsenal.
                      4. 0
                        4 October 2015 11: 21
                        In your opinion, a universal machine is being created (which can replace three or four classes), but this is not in the TK and there is no such task! Itself turned out for free. ) In your free time and money from subbotniks?
                        And the PAK FA will be the same wagon. And that is why a new arsenal of three or four classes is being “made” for him. For money and according to technical specifications.
                      5. +3
                        4 October 2015 11: 43
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        . Unlike amers, our designers and the customer never set the task to make a universal machine that would replace three classes of aircraft at once.

                        I look how contagious the manner in which we look around at the Yusovtsy and measure everything with their standards!
                        Could not make such a machine as F-22/35 means stupid, but what was stated in the technical characteristics of these monsters and what is in fact it does not matter!
                        And the fact that the cost of cars differs by an order of magnitude, with similar performance characteristics, also sideways!
  5. +2
    3 October 2015 14: 26
    This opinion was not shared by another representative of the intelligence agency. According to him, "as a rule, specialized aircraft, such as the Il-20M, are used by the Russian military to gather intelligence." We can also bring down the wreckage to ourselves. Why do we need IL so effective. Then prove that you are not ISIS. lol
  6. 0
    3 October 2015 14: 26
    Quote: manguest
    The main secret is that it will be noticeable) Money down the drain ...

    I just wanted to write the same thing!
  7. +4
    3 October 2015 14: 28
    I think they will send drones towards our bases in any way. It’s safe, but you can take the characteristics of our RES, call them to work and fire. And if you take it, then raise it high.
    1. +5
      3 October 2015 14: 46
      Quote: armored optimist
      if we beat, then hi raise

      I think they have an agreement on this topic, such as, if we notice, we will be beaten and then do not be offended.
    2. 0
      3 October 2015 15: 23
      Quote: armored optimist
      And if you take it, then raise it high.

      Duc, after all, ours can not only shoot down - they have learned to intercept control. And they put strangers on the quiet "to themselves" wink
    3. +1
      3 October 2015 16: 39
      Quote: armored optimist
      Safe but

      Exactly what but. Knocked down and do not think. Is there no armor there? They’re even officially there, but to cover their own, ours will be tampered with at least the S-400!
      1. 0
        4 October 2015 08: 51
        Escalation there is again fraught. Therefore, I do not think that we will also tear the launch levers without special need.
        1. 0
          4 October 2015 11: 58
          Quote: clidon
          Escalation there is again fraught.

          It all depends on the intentions of the parties _
          Dad and son were called to the headmaster _
          DIRECTOR: - I have to talk with you about the immoral behavior of your son during the breaks. He just does that he runs after the girls!
          Dad:
          - Just think, all the normal guys in his age run after the girls!
          Director:
          - With a chainsaw ??? !!!

          wink
  8. 0
    3 October 2015 14: 28
    You won’t praise yourself ...
  9. +6
    3 October 2015 14: 29
    Let the raptors get farther away from Syria at a supersonic cruising speed, preferably back to the states, and the problem with the detection of the raptor by the Su-30 radar will be solved laughing And if American instructors who train ISIS and the "moderate opposition" are dumped from Syria, it will be fine, then the Syrians will finally live in peace.
  10. +8
    3 October 2015 14: 29
    Afraid of losing secrets? Stay away from our base. Something like that
  11. +6
    3 October 2015 14: 29
    Like children, damn it. Well, what nafig secrets. Everything has been known for a long time. Even the materials used and the characteristics of the on-board systems. The main secrets in factories in production chains, yes. But this is a completely different story.
    1. +3
      3 October 2015 14: 35
      Using aviation radar warning stations (STR), you can get the characteristics radiation of F-22 radars in real conditions.
  12. +7
    3 October 2015 14: 32
    - Actually, they are rightly afraid. It doesn't matter what the main real goals of the Russian Armed Forces operation in Syria are, in the process of achieving them, it is quite possible to perform several related tasks. And this is even more humane and democratic than the actions of the USA during the Cold War, when a passenger airliner was sent to the air borders of the USSR to obtain information about the interaction of ground stations, operators and fighter aircraft. The more information the Russian army collects in Syria, the more effective countermeasures will be in other regions, if ever needed.
  13. +2
    3 October 2015 14: 33
    They want to increase the importance of their developments, but "Donald Cook" in the Black Sea felt ours. Think about who HU is?
  14. +2
    3 October 2015 14: 33
    I think that the vaunted f 22 as well as the once especially vaunting f117 stealth is also not visible to their own radors. However, it was shot down by the old air defenses in Yugoslavia! After all, no one has canceled corruption in America. hi
  15. +4
    3 October 2015 14: 33
    Intelligence is intelligence. Mutually conducted. Each side seeks the most profitable use of the emerging situation. There is no need for Pentagon employees to rush headlong into the National Interest magazine and scream about it.
  16. +5
    3 October 2015 14: 36
    He also suggested that Russia deployed fighter jets in order to prevent Western aircraft from spying. “Probably, the Su-30SM was deployed not for air defense purposes, but to scare off and push back reconnaissance aircraft that could come close to the Russian operational base,”
    And they doubted that the air base would be protected in all respects?
    1. +1
      3 October 2015 14: 43
      Quote: barclay
      And they doubted that the air base would be protected in all respects?


      - And they still remember the 90s, when all the secrets, military, economic, all the necessary models of equipment could simply be bought, moreover, inexpensively. And if you didn’t want to buy, you could insolently fly an UAV over the base of interest and count even the crumbs on the table in the dining room, at least the number, type and configuration of vehicles in the RPM. And now, you see, it remains only to buy.
  17. +2
    3 October 2015 14: 40
    Pentagon fears Russians in Syria might learn F-22 secrets
    If you are afraid, then bury it then on your territory, as if no one will guess what. Striped panties laughing
  18. +1
    3 October 2015 14: 41
    oh how scared
  19. +2
    3 October 2015 14: 53
    who needs their secrets there is technology of the last century))) they even finish the life system of providing oxygen to dosihpors after the fall of their pilots due to lack of oxygen!
  20. +1
    3 October 2015 14: 55
    Quote: oleg-gr
    hide your invisibility -

    An interesting phrase is to hide the invisibility. And how to show the invisibility? I agree with you, this is for the natives.
  21. +9
    3 October 2015 14: 59
    The first photos of our pilots good
  22. +7
    3 October 2015 15: 01
    Here is another photo good
    1. +3
      3 October 2015 16: 22
      And there Putin again ??? wink
    2. 0
      3 October 2015 16: 22
      And there Putin again ??? wink
  23. +2
    3 October 2015 15: 08
    Quote: MainBeam
    In direct collisions, the characteristics of the F-22 will be revealed.
    So they will find out who sees whom and from what distances; and who previously missiles are aimed at the target.
    And it is more pleasant to direct the S-300 complexes on the cruiser Moscow "live" to the F-22 than in theory.

    And I want to send Raptor to Syria; and afraid that we learn about him too much.


    And what in this rubbish to find out then?
  24. +1
    3 October 2015 15: 09
    Lord! What do they think the F-22 is a secret? Has it already fallen? And what-all gathered? wassat
  25. +4
    3 October 2015 15: 14
    Quote: oleg-gr
    If you are afraid, why did you send your planes there? So the vaunted F-22 is invisible only to Aboriginal spears. If you want to hide your invisibility, sit at home in the USA.

    "And a terrible secret was revealed - no F-22 is invisible!" laughing But they are not afraid that the Russians will know about it, they already know enough, but that their own taxpayer will know about it ... feel
  26. +1
    3 October 2015 15: 18
    what the fuck are secrets? We know everything for a long time !!!
  27. 0
    3 October 2015 15: 18
    Quote: AleksUkr
    Quote: Rus2012
    - "we will not fulfill the demands of the Russians to liberate the skies of Syria" Pentagon


    Well, don’t free. You can just be helped to retire, unobtrusively ...
    ALSO ALREADY ADVISE, UNTIL: 2.10.2015
    CNN: "Russian plane pushed US attack aircraft out of Syria sky"

    "The Russian Su-30SM fighter by its actions forced the pilot of the American A-10 attack aircraft to leave the airspace over Syria." - the American radio station CNN reported

    “While performing missions in the skies over Syria, our pilot was faced with a situation that forced him to leave Syrian airspace and return to the US Air Force base. In the second minute of the flight, he was intercepted by the Russian Su-30SM fighter, the pilot of which made it clear, that it is necessary to stop the flight and leave Syrian territory. I wonder how Washington will react to such “coercive” actions of Russia in the future? " - notes the host of CNN Wolf Blitzer.

    Source: http://fishki.net/photo/1683673-rossijskij-samolet-vytesnil-shturmovik-ssha.html

    © Fishki.net

    Yes, how else to respond? Get down until the pension went to the widow's house, and then chat, in California they won’t beat something (almost ours), once again. Sit on the ranch, breed mustangs ... A-10 ... Yes. We’ll disperse the corn, wretched (a great airplane, by the way).
  28. +1
    3 October 2015 15: 19
    The US Air Force fears that the Russians during the operation in Syria may receive secret information about the F-22 fighter, which is inconspicuous for radar, the National Interest magazine writes.


    From this conclusion, the conclusion suggests itself that this aircraft is intended solely for demonstrative purposes (I don’t even stutter about the Papuans), this conclusion is also confirmed by the refusal to sell it to allies. I wonder why Congress should not consider the misuse of budget funds. Although of course this is unlikely, they do not recognize after all that it is a threshing floor with wings, for astronomical money.

    Something like that or something. laughing wassat bully
  29. +1
    3 October 2015 15: 23
    before the Su-30СМ and Su-34 the task “to get information about the F-22” can be set.
    Will be delivered, we will receive. Another thing is that the f-22 was created on stolen (purchased) data on the MIG-144. And, of course, if you just compare the appearance of the f-22 and f-117 (which is neither a fighter or an attack aircraft), while Vulgaris S-125 was shot down with a meter range radar, then it is clear that we will not be doing anything new except for a radio portrait trying to find out - nafig is not necessary. But the used ammunition is another matter. Here, if possible, "we will see".
  30. 0
    3 October 2015 15: 30
    Well, what is there to advise the Americans? Unless to wear condoms on the F-22 ...
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  32. +3
    3 October 2015 15: 36
    So that the Russians do not learn the secrets of the F-22, they must be kept at airfields in the United States and not allowed into Syria and, in general, where our military aircraft fly.
  33. +7
    3 October 2015 15: 37
    SERGEY UI
    Here is another photo

    Respected! Look at the friendly site (see PICTURE OF THE DAY) the article "The first photo reports of the Russian media from the VKS airbase in the area of ​​L ...". If you find there a photo of at least one of our pilots, I WILL PUBLIC THREE TIMES SORRY TO YOU! Think why the photo media did not give a single photo of the pilots? If you do not find (as well as among the information of other members of the forum), then self-critically give yourself an assessment ... your moral side of the act with the placement of a photo ...
    Explain why?
    1. +1
      3 October 2015 15: 40
      These photos were published by Komsomol truth correspondents
    2. 0
      3 October 2015 15: 42
      http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/03/photo/
  34. +1
    3 October 2015 15: 38
    If the F-22 is not visible to the radar, then there is nothing for the mattresses to worry about, they will not see it, but if the F-22 radars are fake, they are afraid of it.
  35. 0
    3 October 2015 15: 45
    Hompodya. Well, on Mondays in 1999, Amer’s are absolutely invisible. Continue to remain invisible on earth, and as our flyers see, they either wave their hands, such as catching up differently ...
  36. +2
    3 October 2015 15: 51
    and the Americans are at least vkurse.
  37. +2
    3 October 2015 15: 59
    Merikasosy suffer from megalomania. They forgot that the vast majority of their military innovations sailed to them like trophies after winning the Cold War (which, by the way, had not yet ended, which means they won only the first battle) and there was no merit for mattresses! Let them not boast of their Bullshit-22.
    1. +1
      3 October 2015 16: 14
      Americans at least taste the Pentagon
  38. 0
    3 October 2015 16: 03
    And do not FIG go where the scythe walks.
  39. 0
    3 October 2015 16: 12
    it’s unlikely that we’ll find out secret information, the Americans will also raise a screech in order to prevent them from exploring the wreckage. but what’s more likely is that if some rook with air-to-air missiles raises its ground, the strike on prestige will not be frail.
    1. +2
      3 October 2015 16: 48
      Quote: Tjeck
      secret information

      How secret it is, unless HOW _
  40. 0
    3 October 2015 16: 22
    Admin, cancel comments on articles. We write such nonsense ...
    1. +7
      3 October 2015 17: 44
      Quote: Forest Park 86
      We write such nonsense ...

      How self-critical. You rarely see this.
  41. +1
    3 October 2015 16: 23
    Quote: CERHJ
    Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
    The Russian Su-30SM fighter by its actions forced the pilot of the American A-10 attack aircraft to leave the airspace over Syria. "- reported on the air of the American radio station CNN

    Already somewhere this fake was already. Frankly ignorant stupidity. Americans fly to bomb Syria from the base in Turkey Injerlik. So there is no A-10 and never was ... and "two minutes after takeoff" is somewhere over the territory Turkey ... lol


    This incident occurred not in the Turkish, but on the Iraqi border. In addition to Turkey, American attack aircraft lodge in Iraq.
  42. 0
    3 October 2015 16: 26
    Unfortunately, Yusey has one option and he will certainly use it on behalf of 60 countries that are allegedly members of the Yuseyskiy coalition against virtual terrorism - this, of course, is the introduction of sophisticated sanctions and even more dense isolation of Russia.
  43. +3
    3 October 2015 16: 36
    What are the Americans afraid if they have it so inconspicuous?
  44. +4
    3 October 2015 16: 36
    Quote: 86 Forest Park
    Admin, cancel comments on articles. We write such nonsense...

    You not that you meanby chance?

    Quote: 86 Forest Park
    We plunge into Syria to the fullest, Mattresses have achieved their. And if Mujahideen are still breaking out of Afghanistan - what shall we do? One joy there will be many Tajiks in Moscow, slave prices will fall

    Or is it this?

    Quote: 86 Forest Park
    And if you use a little long-range aviation, or is it just scary for the British?

    Against ISIS - Long-range aviation .. mdya ..

    Quote: 86 Forest Park
    Complete nonsense

    Exactly Yes

  45. 0
    3 October 2015 16: 37
    Using aviation radar warning stations (STR), one can obtain the emission characteristics of F-22 radars in real conditions.
    Already there are such characteristics, everything has already been taken off. Alaska was stormed, and then they saw F. It has long been no secret.
  46. 0
    3 October 2015 16: 42
    The Su-30SM was deployed not for air defense purposes, but to scare off and push back reconnaissance aircraft that could come close to the Russian operational base
    Su-30, not Su-35.35 are not ready for armament and radar.
  47. 0
    3 October 2015 16: 46
    Well, just like children, it is not visible! Grazhdane, he is visible everywhere, only visible poorly or well. The 117th complex in Yugoslavia removed the S-125! What Raptor is very different in signature from it? And they will work on it, most likely, not even the S-300, which even Urkaina has, but the S-400!
  48. 0
    3 October 2015 16: 51
    All that is needed has long been removed and recorded. wink
    Now I think we are more interested in the development of the next generations of this device.
    1. 0
      3 October 2015 17: 31
      Quote: RUS69
      We are more interested in the development of the next generations of this device.

      Are these the ones that you sprayed on? So bad business is not tricky.
      Now Yusovtsy are concerned about how, through the sales of F-35, financial losses on the F-22 to compensate. The task is not for shkolota!
  49. +2
    3 October 2015 17: 01
    Media: Pentagon fears that Russians in Syria may learn the secrets of F-22
    It’s necessary to remove them away and that’s all.
  50. +1
    3 October 2015 17: 01
    what if the Americans know the secret of our frets viburnum and build themselves ... torment
    1. +1
      3 October 2015 17: 17
      Tormented if they do not recognize the spell on the mother with the help of which it is being repaired! She, after all, doesn’t understand their faxing chatter! lol
  51. 0
    3 October 2015 17: 28
    They are afraid that the raptor’s fantastic ESR of 0,0001 will actually turn out to be fantastic.
  52. 0
    3 October 2015 17: 32
    They write some nonsense. If they found out about the atomic project and got the drawings, then about the F-22 a long time ago, who needs to know...
  53. 0
    3 October 2015 17: 39
    There are no longer any secrets for the Russians regarding the F-22. - Let them steam a little.
  54. +1
    3 October 2015 17: 45
    Nothing personal!
    Nothing new!
    It’s just that the military system must provide for many options for combat and reconnaissance.
    All this is as old as time!
  55. 0
    3 October 2015 17: 55
    Another misfortune of mattress covers!!! Now it’s clear from whom the dill have such slang.
  56. 0
    3 October 2015 18: 03
    They are afraid, but they act like mischievous teenagers.
  57. 0
    3 October 2015 18: 39
    Maybe Raptor’s “air conditioning” will go wrong and he’ll be dumped by accident, so he’ll go for analysis in the “Skillful Hands” circle.))) belay
  58. +2
    3 October 2015 18: 56
    "It's not exactly traditional intelligence gathering per se."...

    Ordinary, traditional...

    Despite some statements against the use of our aviation THERE (I'm not talking about ground forces), I am always - only - FOR...
    Both equipment and personnel are “tested” in combat conditions - independently - the pilot. a technician or a person guarding an airbase...As the great Generalissimo A. Suvorov used to say - It’s hard in training, easy in battle - so here, without direct combat with American equipment, we may not understand a lot and miss a lot, which will entail unnecessary human costs casualties in direct combat...

    Spain at the end of the 30s... And now it’s something like...
  59. DHA
    0
    3 October 2015 19: 25
    And yet it is interesting what was said at the negotiations between Putin and Obama at the UN. Russia is generally behaving boldly, the US coalition is resisting, but somehow not confidently. And at times the State Department even declares its support, and at the same time they try to play the card with the “moderates”.
  60. 0
    3 October 2015 19: 38
    Hey you! Obama's ghouls! The “heroes” became afraid when real fighters took to the battlefield, and not tribes from the wild Prairies and African jungles?!
  61. 0
    3 October 2015 19: 41
    If ours fail the F-22, the Americans will have to close the program, and they have poured a lot of money into it. How can you then explain to a potential buyer that the plane is super-duper? I think so.
  62. -1
    3 October 2015 19: 49
    Fake or not? What do you think?
    CNN: "Russian plane pushed US attack aircraft out of Syria sky"

    “The Russian Su-30SM fighter forced the pilot of the American A-10 attack aircraft to leave the airspace over Syria,” the American radio station CNN reported.

    “While performing missions in the skies over Syria, our pilot was faced with a situation that forced him to leave Syrian airspace and return to the US Air Force base. In the second minute of the flight, he was intercepted by the Russian Su-30SM fighter, the pilot of which made it clear, that it is necessary to stop the flight and leave Syrian territory. I wonder how Washington will react to such “coercive” actions of Russia in the future? " - notes the host of CNN Wolf Blitzer.

    http://glav.su/threads/1002877/
  63. 0
    3 October 2015 19: 58
    Quote: oleg-gr
    If you are afraid, why did you send your planes there? So the vaunted F-22 is invisible only to Aboriginal spears. If you want to hide your invisibility, sit at home in the USA.


    Hey, we're off topic. Merikak charabancs do not fly. Now they know (thanks to Byzantine cunning). Come on, Sergey Kuzhugetovich, with this “friend or foe” friendship of peoples, don’t hurt the poor. No matter our village, Vanya Kozhedub and Sanka Pokryshkin are neighbors.
  64. 0
    3 October 2015 20: 09
    Quote: Baikonur
    plywood!

    I would say FABULOUS!
  65. -1
    3 October 2015 20: 12
    Quote: crazyrom
    Duck the only secret of F-22 is that he will lose the battle even to our 4 generation aircraft, like Mig-29 and Su 27 and higher. Here is the disclosure of this particular secret of the mattress are most afraid.

    Here. Exactly. But you don’t have to think about the Su-35. MiGs can handle it at 5. Sit down!
  66. 717
    0
    3 October 2015 20: 46
    all planes are visible from satellites. so there are no problems for the air defense of several countries. and all invisibility is for losers
  67. 0
    3 October 2015 21: 03
    Quote: herruvim
    Question to the American:
    “Why do you Americans don’t like Russians?”
    - Well, you see, Russians have a lot of complexes ...
    Anti-aircraft missile systems ...


    They constantly tug at the “monstrous” caftan, and you have to fight back with “nightmarish” boots from the “Cossacks”. Yes, they didn’t see the Kirzachs. And we also eat “porridge”. No, it’s time to calm these people down - well, they have no chance of understanding us. We are on topic - we still have to communicate with our “brothers in mind” when they arrive, but these are stupid critically, just to pinch off something from someone, corpse eaters, let’s not say unnecessary words.
  68. 0
    3 October 2015 21: 13
    Quote: ARS56
    Much worse than the "best aircraft in the United States" is the 5th column in our government and parliament (http://topwar.ru/83581-pyataya-kolonna-imena-i-familii.html) ...
    Our beautiful "complexes" are powerless against it. And it is necessary to overcome the 5th column, otherwise, having won the battles in Syria, Iraq and Ukraine, we can lose the war to the United States as a whole.

    Exactly!
  69. +1
    3 October 2015 22: 11
    The ghouls remember Yugoslavia, when the “invincible Amer Stealth” was shot down by a Soviet air defense system developed in the 60s.
  70. 0
    3 October 2015 22: 51
    Summary -
    They already know that HE is not invisible, but they don’t know if WE know about it. fellow
  71. +1
    3 October 2015 23: 05
    In my opinion, the Russians already know everything about the F-22 and from completely different sources. So you don't have to worry about the "secrecy" of the plane.
  72. 0
    3 October 2015 23: 13
    And where is the Professor, well, I have absolutely no respect for this character, a small post: In Russian circles close to the Ministry of Defense, there is an alternative version of the explosion, according to which it was a sabotage by the Israeli special services. We are talking about an explosion. According to one version, one of the largest fuel depots of the Syrian army exploded or was blown up. According to another, both a fuel depot and an ammunition depot exploded. For ISIS scum... had experience of personal meetings with his kind, in Sberbank on Razyezzhaya, he scattered feces all over the room, the country is shit, I want to go there, and even the operator is a bastard, slowly filling out a payment at the Israeli embassy, ​​ugh, by the way, the details are himself I wrote it down crookedly... There are no words.
  73. 0
    3 October 2015 23: 49
    Quote: OMSDON
    And where is the Professor, well, I have absolutely no respect for this character, a small post: In Russian circles close to the Ministry of Defense, there is an alternative version of the explosion, according to which it was a sabotage by the Israeli special services. We are talking about an explosion. According to one version, one of the largest fuel depots of the Syrian army exploded or was blown up. According to another, both a fuel depot and an ammunition depot exploded. For ISIS scum... had experience of personal meetings with his kind, in Sberbank on Razyezzhaya, he scattered feces all over the room, the country is shit, I want to go there, and even the operator is a bastard, slowly filling out a payment at the Israeli embassy, ​​ugh, by the way, the details are himself I wrote it down crookedly... There are no words.

    Are you in pain, dear? laughing
  74. -1
    4 October 2015 00: 35
    Only now the Americans are slowly improving their 5th generation F-22 aircraft, and they don’t forget about the old ones and are constantly modernizing them. But Migi and Sushki did not modernize them just as they were made. Zelenograd was destroyed and now all avionics are purchased from the French. So, I very much doubt that the Su 27 and Mig 29 will be able to fight the F-22 on equal terms.
    1. +1
      4 October 2015 02: 22
      Yeah..destroyed.. Ruins at the link below
      https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%
      D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%20%D0
      %BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD&stype=image&lr=10849&noreask=1&source=wiz
    2. 0
      4 October 2015 03: 00
      And here about the modernization of the Su-27...
      http://www.avsim.su/forum/topic/131514-%D1%81%D1%83-27%D1%81%D0%BC/

      So there's no point in doubting...
    3. 0
      4 October 2015 03: 06
      And here about the modernization of the Su-27...
      http://www.avsim.su/forum/topic/131514-%D1%81%D1%83-27%D1%81%D0%BC/

      So there's no point in doubting...
    4. 0
      4 October 2015 12: 04
      Quote: Cryoss
      Only the Americans are slowly bringing their 5th generation aircraft F-22 to fruition

      All modernization programs are closed, all forces are in the F-35? You need to recapture the money.
  75. 0
    4 October 2015 05: 31
    What secrets? That he flies a little better than an iron? Yes, the Yankees themselves admitted this
  76. 0
    4 October 2015 06: 55
    "The Pentagon fears that the Russians in Syria may learn the secrets of the F-22"

    That's right, these Russians are like that... Therefore, the F-22 must be hidden deeper and not shown to anyone, so that, God forbid, its secrets are not stolen. smile
  77. 0
    4 October 2015 08: 49
    Well, they’ll learn the secrets of the F-22, but what’s the point? To take advantage of it, you need the same high-tech production culture. But in reality, machines of the last century, low-skilled personnel. We cannot send a rocket into space because during production the working gyroscopic rudders are hammered with a hammer.
  78. 0
    4 October 2015 10: 48
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/605/kbyn741.jpg
  79. 0
    4 October 2015 10: 52
    Those who need it have already known everything about Raptor for a long time.
  80. 0
    4 October 2015 13: 52
    But how are the Yankees going to fly in a combat situation? Apparently these airplanes are designed for war with the Tumba-Yumba tribes.
  81. 0
    4 October 2015 15: 01
    Their “invisibility” is not so invisible. that in Yugoslavia one of them was shot down using an old radar and an ordinary anti-aircraft gun from the Second World War.
  82. 0
    4 October 2015 16: 45
    so okay, Yankees you have a chance to get out of Syria in an amicable way to your home behind a completely comparable screen-sign about supposedly preserving the combat capabilities of the F-22...
  83. 0
    4 October 2015 17: 01
    Don’t worry...Everything that Russians need has already been known for a long time...)
  84. 0
    4 October 2015 17: 25
    a lot of wasted chatter... here you go
  85. 0
    4 October 2015 18: 58
    Quote: roskot
    Afraid of losing secrets? Stay away from our base. Something like that

    If we had a good plane, we wouldn’t be afraid to show off our technology like ours on drying missions, how our 12 planes, incomprehensibly to everyone, Turkey’s radars were able to fly unnoticed, how planes approaching Syria are illuminated by the missile defense system and they can’t even understand where it’s coming from. Yes, Russians have nothing to fear from their secrets. The Amers have one secret for the raptors - they will simply shoot it down, that’s the whole secret they want to hide. The secret to the Raptor's invisibility is not to fly where Russian planes fly.
  86. 0
    4 October 2015 19: 30
    I just want to say: Guys from the Pentagon, please, in order to avoid major troubles, DO NOT TOUCH RUSSIA, no Raptors will help you, you will get such 3.14 guys that even Makeyushka in the Senate will choke in his own shit.
  87. 0
    5 October 2015 09: 53
    Let them keep their F-22 at home, under a blanket, then no one will know for sure that the plane is frankly weak in terms of price/quality ratio.
  88. 0
    5 October 2015 10: 15
    The secret is that the fuel that f22 uses is made from little Syrian boys! (sarcasm)
    1. 0
      5 October 2015 10: 35
      Quote: CRASH.
      (sarcasm)

      If it's sarcasm, it's true. And only Syrian ones, that’s another question.
  89. 0
    5 October 2015 10: 32
    Why don’t we know? wink
  90. 0
    5 October 2015 11: 41
    “He also suggested that Russia deployed the fighters to prevent espionage by Western aircraft. “The Su-30SM are likely deployed not for air defense purposes, but to deter and push back reconnaissance aircraft that may approach the Russian base of operations,” the source told the publication."

    The latest news about the SU-30 countering the Israeli Air Force shows that they are needed precisely to protect both the infrastructure of the Air Base in Latakia and the combat escort of our bombers when carrying out raids on the positions of bandits, which are actually covered by a broad Western coalition. So ours have clearly shown - do not try to accidentally mistakenly target the bombardment and that the sky over the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic is closed to you! If you don’t want to interact with us, then there’s no point in flying here! laughing am
  91. 0
    5 October 2015 13: 02
    And what? Indeed, the F-22 is invisible, as is the US fight against ISIS. Full Stealth!
  92. 0
    5 October 2015 13: 50
    Quote: Civil
    1. Su-34 was used in Georgia.
    2. Who said that Russia still does not know something about the Raptor ?!
    3. Afraid, that means they know that there are shoals of fe-22.


    If we shoot down the Raptor, it will be by accident, because we won’t see it.
  93. 0
    5 October 2015 14: 09
    we won't tell anyone)))
  94. 0
    5 October 2015 18: 33
    Ours have already dealt with the F-22 without Syria.
  95. 0
    5 October 2015 21: 33
    Well, what secrets might there be for a plane that:
    1. Sees the locator of another aircraft
    2. Sees another plane visually
    3. Flies around Mach-1 = 1000 km/h
    4. It is seen by a lamp ground locator
    5. It can be shot down (or a whole bunch) by a 4th generation aircraft like MiG-29 or F-15
    6. It does not rise into the stratosphere and is shot down by a fascist-style anti-aircraft gun, such as FLAC-88
    ...
    crying Why the hell are these secrets? Is it just WHAT NOT TO DO?
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    6 October 2015 01: 18
    Well, what secrets can there be when the Tu-95MS scanned it up and down.