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Media: Pentagon fears that Russians in Syria may learn the secrets of F-22

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The US Air Force fears that the Russians during the operation in Syria may receive secret information about the F-22 fighter, which is hardly noticeable to radars, writes National Interest magazine. The article published in it leads RIA News.




“The operation in Syria will allow Russia, on the one hand, to test advanced Su-30CM and Su-34 aircraft in real combat conditions. With the same purpose, the United States launched its own F-22 Raptor in the region, ”a spokesman for the United States Air Force told the publication.

On the other hand, the source said, Su-30CM and Su-34 may be assigned the task of “getting information about F-22”.

"Using aviation station warning radar exposure (STR), you can get the radiation characteristics of the F-22 radar in real conditions. This is not a very traditional intelligence gathering as such, but in this way you can find out how STRs perceive and display F-22 radar radiation. ” - told the source of the magazine.

This opinion was not shared by another representative of the intelligence agency. According to him, "as a rule, specialized aircraft, such as the Il-20M, are used by the Russian military to gather intelligence."

He also suggested that Russia used fighter jets to prevent espionage from Western aircraft. “Probably, Su-30CM is deployed not for the purpose of air defense, but to scare off and push aside reconnaissance aviation assets that may come close to the Russian operating base,” the source said.
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 3 October 2015 14: 22 New
    181
    If you are afraid, why did you send your planes there? So the vaunted F-22 is invisible only to Aboriginal spears. If you want to hide your invisibility, sit at home in the USA.
    1. Civil
      Civil 3 October 2015 14: 24 New
      115
      1. Su-34 was used in Georgia.
      2. Who said that Russia still does not know something about the Raptor ?!
      3. Afraid, that means they know that there are shoals of fe-22.
      1. herruvim
        herruvim 3 October 2015 14: 31 New
        173
        Question to the American:
        “Why do you Americans don’t like Russians?”
        - Well, you see, Russians have a lot of complexes ...
        Anti-aircraft missile systems ...
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 3 October 2015 14: 33 New
          23
          Pentagon fears Russians in Syria might learn F-22 secrets
          ... can prove to the whole world that it’s plywood crap! Kharchevskiy proved on Sushka (look for a video on YouTube) that in a real (it was of course training, but ...) battle - their "samsiks" and flyers - suckers darned !!! soldier
          1. theadenter
            theadenter 3 October 2015 16: 41 New
            43
            Their aircraft have their own advantages and disadvantages. We have ours.
            If the pilot is experienced and can correctly use the advantages of his aircraft, then underestimating such an enemy is very stupid.
            And if he still knows the flaws of the enemy’s aircraft, the chances of success increase significantly.
            Therefore, the Americans are justifiably afraid. And then I understand their concerns. Better than the F-22 they have nothing.
            1. ARS56
              ARS56 3 October 2015 17: 01 New
              72
              The 5th convoy in our government and parliament is much worse than the “best US aircraft” (http://topwar.ru/83581-pyataya-kolonna-imena-i-familii.html) ...
              Against her, our beautiful "complexes" are powerless. And it is necessary to overcome the 5th column, otherwise, having won the battles in Syria, Iraq and Ukraine, we can lose the US war as a whole.
              1. theadenter
                theadenter 3 October 2015 17: 20 New
                26
                Yes, the 5th column is the most powerful weapon in the United States.
                Entangling the enemy’s people is much more effective, safer (for the USA), cheaper and longer-term than full-fledged military operations.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 3 October 2015 20: 46 New
                  17
                  This is just a good reason to run away from the Russians from Syria with our heads held up proudly, like we left so that the Russians would not find out the main secret of the raptor ... The 5th convoy in the Russian Federation simply at a certain point did not justify the trust and did not work out these costs. Poor America was convinced that the Russian Federation would not rise, which means that it is not necessary to modernize the strategic forces and they have reached the point of no return, the same aviation, the same raptor - the product of the same error when they are not confronted by a global military-space forces system, with the MRIS system, as well as local air defense systems of banana states. The result - our fifth column brought terrible damage to the USA, but in fact deprived the Anglo-Saxons of power over the planet.
                  1. edge
                    edge 4 October 2015 16: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: hrych
                    This is just a good reason to run away from Russians from Syria

                    come .., they forgot that the bear that did not lie in the den becomes a connecting rod: and now they run until spring (prey however) .... although it’s not a fact that they succeed, the bear will tear everything. Those who saw the winter hut after visiting will understand.
                2. Jan Ivanov
                  Jan Ivanov 4 October 2015 00: 26 New
                  +4
                  Divide and rule. The most important satanic weapon.
                3. Fight cat
                  Fight cat 4 October 2015 12: 10 New
                  +2
                  a donkey loaded with gold often opens the gates of impregnable fortresses than the most powerful army!
              2. NordUral
                NordUral 3 October 2015 19: 42 New
                0
                That's for sure. Far worse in everything.
              3. zoluchok55
                zoluchok55 4 October 2015 16: 35 New
                -11
                I absolutely agree, I read and watched the video about voting in the Duma on this law. How United Russia acted is understandable, it couldn’t do the State Department in another way and the West would be dissatisfied. The EP-5 convoy was created by the West under the elegant cover of UNITED RUSSIA and we suckers again swallowed it. As soon as the people began to sober up and understand where they were leading us again, I mean education, they urgently threw a cry to us; CRIME OUR and we voted UREA APPROVED. A game of sanctions has begun, we forbid everything, we don’t give anything, but you will have everything. After the Crimea, we realized that we had neither agriculture nor industry, not only ordinary people began to ask questions louder, but again we will help the Syrian brothers, we are again urya and they solemnly report to the Anglo-Saxons everything is going according to plan the boss is all in a bundle. I just don’t understand who Putin is, the government is clear 5 column United Russia too. And what are the other parties doing ???????????? ??????
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 4 October 2015 17: 10 New
                  +6
                  You and people like you are only able to ask questions. Others must work. And do not speak on your behalf for others. Usually end in disrepair _
            2. crazyrom
              crazyrom 3 October 2015 18: 35 New
              +4
              Duck the only secret of F-22 is that he will lose the battle even to our 4 generation aircraft, like Mig-29 and Su 27 and higher. Here is the disclosure of this particular secret of the mattress are most afraid.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 3 October 2015 19: 10 New
                11
                Quote: crazyrom
                that he will lose the fight even ...

                Yeah, I see right in the clear sky the Raptor to our Drying _ I am coming to you! Oksti darling! When Yusovtsy fought so! Ten at one or around the corner with a club at the back of the head! Here for the second option, the 22nd is especially good!
                And so offhand
                1. figwam
                  figwam 3 October 2015 22: 07 New
                  0
                  It looks like someone is not sitting still
                  http://warfiles.ru/show-96801-v-nebe-sirii-rossiyskie-su-30-perehvatili-izrailsk
                  ie-f-15.html
                2. Manul
                  Manul 3 October 2015 22: 16 New
                  11
                  Quote: Cynic
                  Yeah, I see right in the clear sky the Raptor to our Drying _ I am coming to you! Oksti darling! When Yusovtsy fought so! Ten at one or around the corner with a club at the back of the head! Here for the second option, the 22nd is especially good!
                  And so offhand

                  But according to these characteristics (pictures), it is impossible to say who will win the aerial combat. Here, if you had given the possibilities of radar, the range of air-to-air missiles, maneuvering, weapons at close range .. Then conclusions could be drawn from this.
                  1. Cynic
                    Cynic 4 October 2015 10: 52 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Manul
                    .That if you brought the possibility of radar, the range of air-to-air missiles, maneuvering, weapons at close range ..

                    Why take bread from others, well, this is a joke of humor, if that.
                    The network of this information ... Another conversation on how much you can trust her.
                    For example
                    So, it makes sense to compare the "dueling" capabilities of the Su-35 and F-22A "Reptor" radar systems. A Russian car equipped with an Irbis can detect a target with an EPR of 0.1-0.5 m2 (i.e., "Reptor") at a distance of 165-240 km. The American fighter “sees” its adversary with a significantly larger (about 1 m2) EPR also at a range of about 200 km. Thus, the inconspicuous “Reptor” with its AFAR as regards the airborne radar system does not have a real superiority to the modernized Sukhoi in missile air combat at “non-visual” range! And this is just one of those most important parameters, for which the American military was counting on the undoubted advantage in which the "Reptor" over any similar machines.
                    .
                    And we still have no opportunity to assess how true they are - the F-22 has not yet been able to "light up" live. The Americans keep their plane away from our locators, keeping a veil of secrecy over the real stealth properties of their "super fighter." The data of our manufacturers on the capabilities of the airborne radars of new aircraft can also vary greatly. On the F-22 installed radar AN / APG-77:

                    About the fact that our failed to light the Raptor. Well, whoever believes it? And who will say !!!
                    And so on advertising he has
                    F-35 JSF = 0,005 EPR (sq. M.)
                    F-117, B-2, F-22 = 0,01 - 0,001 EPR (sq. M.)

                    It turns out that the EPR is reduced a thousand times (!!!), but, according to information from the battlefields in Yugoslavia, it seems that the conversation is only about a 70% reduction in the EPR.
                    So the water is dark in the oblast!
                    1. Manul
                      Manul 5 October 2015 19: 18 New
                      0
                      Quote: Cynic
                      About the fact that our failed to light the Raptor. Well, whoever believes it? And who will say !!!
                      And so on advertising he has
                      F-35 JSF = 0,005 EPR (sq. M.)
                      F-117, B-2, F-22 = 0,01 - 0,001 EPR (sq. M.)
                      It turns out that the EPR is reduced a thousand times (!!!), but, according to information from the battlefields in Yugoslavia, it seems that the conversation is only about a 70% reduction in the EPR.
                      So the water is dark in the oblast!

                      hi Thank! Very informative!
                3. Mikhail Krapivin
                  Mikhail Krapivin 3 October 2015 22: 26 New
                  0
                  Thank you, very clearly.
            3. ty60
              ty60 3 October 2015 19: 55 New
              0
              The Yankees don’t want to highlight the flaws! However, they will have to. During the application, all the mistakes will pop up.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 3 October 2015 20: 25 New
                0
                Quote: ty60
                They don’t want the Yankees to highlight flaws!

                But what, something left unexposed? Over the years, only the lazy did not kick the Raptor, the last kick was like that its coating does not give the necessary absorption indicators and in preparation for the attack, due to the opening of the hatches, the 22nd becomes very noticeable.
                laughing
            4. Sterlya
              Sterlya 4 October 2015 21: 07 New
              0
              so this is understandable without it. Why rumor then say your fears. They just don’t have to fly there, let ISIS bomb in Iraq which ours, while they don’t fly there, Bye.
          2. beer-youk
            beer-youk 3 October 2015 19: 00 New
            0
            Well, you exaggerate. Pilots may not be suckers, but what
            fly on stools - it's a fact!
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 3 October 2015 20: 27 New
              0
              Quote: beer-youk
              fly on stools - it's a fact

              So Yusovtsy debugged the air supply in a suit or not?
              hi
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 4 October 2015 10: 27 New
                +1
                So I understand, minus from someone who knows that this order has already been canceled, or what?
                The US Air Force imposed a limit on the maximum altitude of the F-22. According to the order of the Air Force Combat Command (ACC) of the US Air Force, the maximum flight altitude of the F-22 should not exceed 7,6 thousand meters - despite the fact that, according to the declared technical characteristics, the “ceiling” of the Raptor is about 20 thousand meters. The reason for this decision was an investigation whose purpose is to check on-board oxygen generation systems (OBOGS)

                Time has passed oh-oh-oh-oh
                Well, how does the Raptor fly at 15.9 thousand meters as stated, or 7.6 and truncated?
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 4 October 2015 10: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: beer-youk
              Well, you exaggerate.

              In the search engine, type F-22 Raptor disadvantages , I was amazed at the result!
              Really only lazy did not kick ! But almost all kickers have the characteristic _ (retired).
              hi
          3. vex
            vex 4 October 2015 00: 05 New
            +1
            Their technique is so secret that it is better to keep it away from the Russian military. Is always. Generally. In addition to the CIS, it now needs to be hidden also from Syria. But nothing, there are many countries in the world where you can fly without fear of revealing secrets.
          4. lukewarm
            lukewarm 5 October 2015 08: 24 New
            0
            Well, something like that as a whole. Caps really do not need to be thrown in hats. Kharchevsky will still be higher than the average combat pilot. I know that he didn’t do cadets either. But strength, bet on long-range air combat can spoil the blood. I think the truth is that we also have something to answer in this regard. Yes, and our raid has grown, it seems to reach almost that of mattress covers.
        2. enot73
          enot73 3 October 2015 15: 38 New
          36
          Quote: herruvim
          - Well, you see, Russians have a lot of complexes ..
        3. Cynic
          Cynic 3 October 2015 16: 21 New
          +3
          It’s not entirely accurate, as far as I remember, there is the last phrase with a question mark, such as the dialogue continues _
          Anti-aircraft missile systems ?

          drinks
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 3 October 2015 14: 35 New
        +1
        "Media: Pentagon fears Russians in Syria might learn F-22 secrets"
        Of course we will! Valnem accidentally a couple, and then according to the run-in scenario as with f 15 in Vietnam was.
        1. VoronoNoK
          VoronoNoK 3 October 2015 14: 45 New
          33
          Why immediately bring down? In the article, it is said that our STRs will detect uncharacteristic for other planes known to us unmasking signs and carefully record them in the RNS.))
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 3 October 2015 15: 11 New
            +5
            Well, what's the minus right away? We will not persuade them to blame!
            So we press on the earth.
          2. Simon
            Simon 3 October 2015 15: 17 New
            +1
            Well, what are you arguing! Let the Americans not be afraid, ours has long been known to everyone about their planes. tongue
          3. Mister22408
            Mister22408 6 October 2015 11: 06 New
            0
            The Chinese say - not all frequencies will be recorded (especially at the top) bully hi
        2. theadenter
          theadenter 3 October 2015 16: 45 New
          +5
          Well yeah ... Why think about the consequences. Let's just flip two planes of the most dangerous and predictably inadequate enemy of Russia and see what's inside.
        3. Good me
          Good me 3 October 2015 22: 18 New
          0
          Quote: Observer2014
          "Media: Pentagon fears Russians in Syria might learn F-22 secrets"
          Of course we will! Valnem accidentally a couple, and then according to the run-in scenario as with f 15 in Vietnam was.

          I have to upset you, in terms of the fact that the McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle, which made its first flight in the 1972 year, and entered service with the 1976, due to its "infancy," was not in Vietnam ...

          All his "heroic life", took place mainly in subsequent conflicts in the BV, where he was pretty "plucked". Although, the Americans, and other "operators", say that nothing like this.


          They probably lie ...
        4. Good me
          Good me 3 October 2015 22: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Observer2014
          "Media: Pentagon fears Russians in Syria might learn F-22 secrets"
          Of course we will! Valnem accidentally a couple, and then according to the run-in scenario as with f 15 in Vietnam was.

          I have to upset you, in terms of the fact that the McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle, which made its first flight in the 1972 year, and entered service with the 1976, due to its "infancy," was not in Vietnam ...

          All his "heroic life", took place mainly in subsequent conflicts in the BV, where he was pretty "plucked". Although, the Americans, and other "operators", say that nothing like this.


          They probably lie ...
      3. Temples
        Temples 3 October 2015 14: 51 New
        26
        Found a reason!
        Tomorrow they will announce: - "We dumped from Syria because the Russians can learn our secrets! And this again shows the weakness of Russia!" wassat
        1. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 3 October 2015 22: 32 New
          +4
          If we act according to the Chinese method, then no one needs to be convinced of their strength. It is necessary to gradually but steadily move towards your goal, not paying attention to commentators and obstacles. The main goal to set yourself worthy.
      4. figwam
        figwam 3 October 2015 17: 59 New
        +2
        The U.S. Air Force fears that the Russians during the operation in Syria may receive secret information about the F-22 fighter, which is hardly noticeable for radar

        They are afraid that they will force us to land in Latakia at our base.
      5. Columnist
        Columnist 3 October 2015 21: 17 New
        +3
        If you are afraid, then do not fly in the sky of Syria. Americans, French, Jews, Turks and Saudis - no one allowed to fly there!
        Intelligence, on the other hand, is normal. After all, none of the same States does not complex when it sends its intelligence planes in our direction ... wink
        The Americans do not hold a “retaliation strike," they do not hold at all. Even without joining the "battle" already trembling knees.
        1. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 3 October 2015 22: 35 New
          +2
          But they should not be underestimated, they have put the whole world (except for us, I hope) in an interesting knee-elbow position, you need to keep an eye on them!
      6. dauria
        dauria 3 October 2015 21: 56 New
        +2
        2. Who said that Russia still does not know something about the Raptor ?!


        Well, for example, do you know the maneuvering algorithm (and it’s automatic), according to which the F-22 and F-35 move without forming “shiny points” on the detected radars? Or do we somehow know the signatures of these devices in different ranges and from different angles? And here something really can be learned. And the developers of our T-50 probably have a bunch of questions, and they will be glad even a hint of solving some of their problems
      7. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 4 October 2015 00: 08 New
        0
        Su-34 was used in Georgia.
        Read more ....

        http://www.proza.ru/2009/04/02/963
    2. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 3 October 2015 14: 25 New
      +3
      Then, like ours, to experience in combat conditions.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 3 October 2015 14: 27 New
        25
        Media: Pentagon fears that Russians in Syria may learn the secrets of F-22

        And the main secret: not to appear where Russian planes are - so they are most invisible!
      2. jjj
        jjj 3 October 2015 14: 29 New
        12
        When performing tasks in the immediate vicinity, you can get some missing information. So there is a reason for the fears of Americans. All gaps in combat use are immediately visible.
        1. sir_obs
          sir_obs 3 October 2015 15: 00 New
          +5
          Yes, just another fairy tale about invisibility will be immediately dispelled. And questions will be rained, why so much money was swollen if the king is still naked.
      3. Andrea
        Andrea 3 October 2015 14: 30 New
        +6
        The second is sober than the first! laughing
    3. Rus2012
      Rus2012 3 October 2015 14: 30 New
      22
      “Probably, the Su-30СМ was deployed not for air defense purposes, but to scare off and push back reconnaissance aircraft that could come close to the Russian operational base,” said

      Quote: oleg-gr
      If you are afraid

      ... they say they are in a panic, because from their various power structures there are discrepancies regarding Russians in Syria, sometimes contradictory:
      - "Russian planes will fall" Kerry, the State Department
      - "we will not fulfill the Russian requirements for the liberation of the sky of Syria" Pentagon
      - Barack Obama wished Russia success in the fight against ISIS terrorists. This statement was made by the American president at a press conference in the White House. Obama stressed that fighting for leadership with Moscow in this situation would be foolish. Instead, the United States intends to work together.

      Here's another opinion on the actions of the Russian Air Force in Syria -
      In the United States, a poorly concealed panic began - they do not see Russian fighters ... Everyone saw 8 aircraft on the runway in Latakia, where 20 came from, they do not understand. From the word at all.

      This is the only explanation for all the nonsense that the media carry in response to the question of how Russian fighters ended up in Syria. And if NATO’s military radars in Turkey and Bulgaria did not see their flight, then all air-to-air systems do not see them. And that’s all. EVERYTHING! The United States does not have fighter aircraft. Also from the word at all. And I understand how this is possible. If not ... then this could have been done already at the end of the 80's. Well, F-35 is not a fighter at all, but a bomber, which even F-15 plays aerial fights with a bang. It was made for the bombing of rebellious Aborigines, who have nothing but a sling, counting on the time when Russia (and China?) Will be gone.
      .
      Here you want it or not - you’ll start asking for partners.

      Source: http://politikus.ru/events/59371-glavnaya-zagadka-mirovoy-politiki.html
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 3 October 2015 14: 40 New
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        continued ...
        Russians tightly closed the sky over Syria
        An interview with ex-Colonel Jack Jacobs appeared in a Saudi newspaper yesterday that said the United States could not stop the Russians in Syria, since Russia had established a “closed zone” over it.

        This means that any military aircraft entering the combat zone can be shot down, as a threat to the Russian Air Force.

        At the same time, American sources claim that the Russian Federation established a closed zone over the entire airspace of Syria, in addition, approaches to the air base in Latakia are also closed from the sea to a distance of 100-250 km from the coast of the Russian fleet’s exercise. Thus, the United States cannot even conduct air reconnaissance of the forces of the Russian Federation, deployed air defense systems.

        A source in the military circles of the American contingent in Turkey reported that aircraft approaching close to the Russian forces were illuminated by radar, while the source of the light could not be determined.

        "The Russians made it clear that they see everything, and it’s not worth going any closer, otherwise they will bring down."

        "Honestly, we were surprised by the Russian air defense systems, most likely there are the latest S-400 systems. I have no more ideas."
        Further away from me. Apparently, the "diplomatic patience" that Obama shows when making concessions to Russia is not entirely diplomatic, but is caused by a complete fiasco of the US armed forces, which bombed the Papuans and forgot what it is to deal with a real enemy armed with modern air and air defense systems.

        The United States is trying to save face by pretending that they agree not to interfere with Russia in Syria, but in fact, they simply cannot interfere with Russia in Syria, since they are more likely to interfere with themselves, having lost their aircraft.

        http://warfiles.ru/show-96768-ssha-ne-mogut-meshat-russkim-v-sirii-tak-kak-russk
        ie-zakryli-nebo.html
        1. Patriot22
          Patriot22 3 October 2015 14: 43 New
          -13
          so tightly closed that only yesterday the coalition bombed there?
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 3 October 2015 14: 52 New
            14
            Quote: Patriot22
            coalition bombed?

            you about it?
            02.10.2015
            An airstrike against a hospital of the international organization Doctors Without Borders in Afghanistan, which was allegedly carried out by US aviation, is not only a serious violation of international law.

            Original news RT in Russian:
            http://russian.rt.com/article/120977
            Or about another fake 3,14ndosmi? bully laughing fellow
            1. Mainbeam
              Mainbeam 3 October 2015 15: 12 New
              +5
              Quote: Rus2012
              At the same time, American sources claim that the Russian Federation established a closed zone over the entire airspace of Syria, in addition, approaches to the air base in Latakia are also closed from the sea to a distance of 100-250 km from the coast of the Russian fleet’s exercise. Thus, the United States cannot even conduct air reconnaissance of the forces of the Russian Federation, deployed air defense systems.

              We will no longer hear about the bombing of ISIS positions by US aircraft.
          2. udincev
            udincev 3 October 2015 14: 57 New
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            Quote: Patriot22
            so tightly closed that only yesterday the coalition bombed there?

            Well, not coalition ... but the states. Not in Syria, but in Afghanistan. Judging by the reports of UkroSMI, it wasn’t bombed, but rather struck the hospital with "intellectual" weapons ...
            With these amendments you have a wonderful comment!
            1. Patriot22
              Patriot22 3 October 2015 15: 02 New
              -9
              Coalition and in Syria

              "" "A coalition of states led by the United States continued to strike at the positions of the Islamic state in Syria and Iraq, DW reports citing Reuters.

              In particular, on Friday, October 2, the US-led coalition against the Islamic State carried out 28 attacks on Islamist positions in Syria and Iraq. "

              ps yes Rus fake mi, I forgot that politic is the most truthful media in the world
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 3 October 2015 15: 05 New
                +8
                Quote: Patriot22
                DW with reference to Reuters

                and these last two are “holier” than the virgin Mary?
                Do not make people laugh pitriot 3,14ndo! laughing laughing laughing
                1. Patriot22
                  Patriot22 3 October 2015 15: 21 New
                  -3
                  Well, yes, except for Russian everyone lies
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 3 October 2015 15: 15 New
                +6
                Quote: Patriot22
                In particular, on Friday, October 2, the US-led coalition against the Islamic State carried out 28 attacks on Islamist positions in Syria and Iraq. "

                Is there at least one documentary evidence ?! With specific coordinates and an indication of goals - like ours?
                They’ve been "bombing" for a year now - where are the results ?!
                As for the territory of Iraq - do not forget that so far there is no talk of it, maybe they bombed there .. like the Germans in the second half of the Second World War: as soon as our fighters see - their bombs (!) on their heads, and tear!
                1. Patriot22
                  Patriot22 3 October 2015 15: 24 New
                  -2
                  How do we have 2 videos of 30 sorties?
                  What results do you expect without a ground operation?
                  Thousands of militants were killed, several cities where ground forces were liberated (where there were Kurds and cities in Iraq)
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 3 October 2015 15: 26 New
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                    Quote: Patriot22
                    What results do you expect without a ground operation?

                    It is not clear what results you expect for three days of flights.
                    1. Patriot22
                      Patriot22 3 October 2015 15: 34 New
                      -1
                      Did I say that Russian strikes are doing something wrong? The results for 3 days of flights are excellent.
                  2. avia1991
                    avia1991 3 October 2015 15: 39 New
                    18
                    Quote: Patriot22
                    How do we have 2 videos of 30 sorties?

                    You even counted departures ?! Not in vain - I - oh, not in vain You, comrade, HERE lit up! Feels "Obkomovskaya" hardening! Fashington .. Video is not two - much more! Only you do not know how to search. And besides, there’s still a bunch of fake videos about the allegedly "civilians" killed by us ... the Igilovites didn’t troll something of the Americans, for their "bombing"! Not up to date, why? wassat
                    Quote: Patriot22
                    What results do you expect without a ground operation?
                    And she will not be - The president said this quite clearly! But you apparently did not understand it - I understand that the Russian language is not the easiest to learn .. especially if we also engage in verbiage, I .. laughing
                    So: in three days of “intelligent” and “polite” bombing, the Russian air forces have much more effect than your “coalition” “out of 60 (!!!) states” in a few months! Which suggests that The goals we have are DIFFERENT. And the allies too. hi
                    1. Patriot22
                      Patriot22 3 October 2015 16: 01 New
                      -1
                      Yes, liberated cities cannot be compared to a bombed invisible bunker
              3. ZAV69
                ZAV69 3 October 2015 15: 29 New
                +6
                Link to link and link drive. Where is the original? Where is the message of the US Defense Ministry press service? Most likely a message from that English grocer who is listed as a Syrian human rights agency.
            2. the villain
              the villain 3 October 2015 23: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: udincev
              Well, not coalition ... but the states. Not in Syria, but in Afghanistan

              And not bombed, but about ... wassat laughing belay
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 3 October 2015 15: 11 New
          +4
          This part is especially impressive:
          Quote: Rus2012
          A source in the military circles of the American contingent in Turkey reported that aircraft approaching close to the Russian forces were illuminated by radar, while the source of the light could not be determined.

          "The Russians made it clear that they see everything, and it’s not worth going any closer, otherwise they will bring down."
          good
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 3 October 2015 14: 46 New
        21
        Quote: Rus2012
        - "we will not fulfill the Russian requirements for the liberation of the sky of Syria" Pentagon


        Well, don’t free. You can just be helped to retire, unobtrusively ...
        ALSO ALREADY ADVISE, UNTIL: 2.10.2015
        CNN: "Russian plane pushed US attack aircraft out of Syria sky"

        "The Russian fighter Su-30SM by its actions forced the pilot of the American A-10 attack aircraft to leave airspace over Syria." - reports on the air of the American radio station CNN

        "When performing tasks in the sky over Syria, our pilot was faced with a situation that forced him to leave Syrian airspace and return to the US Air Force base. In the second minute of the flight, he was" intercepted "by the Russian Su-30SM fighter, whose pilot made it clear "it’s necessary to stop the flight and leave Syrian territory. It’s interesting how Washington will continue to react to such" coercive "actions of Russia?" - notes CNN host Wolf Blitzer.

        Source: http://fishki.net/photo/1683673-rossijskij-samolet-vytesnil-shturmovik-ssha.html
        © Fishki.net
        1. fif21
          fif21 3 October 2015 16: 08 New
          +6
          Quote: AleksUkr
          "we will not comply with the Russian requirements for the liberation of the sky of Syria" Pentagon
          Does the Pentagon have options? request No need to test the patience of the Russians! They are asked, do not interfere. And the requirements will have to be fulfilled, Russia is in Syria at the request of a legitimate government, and gentlemen, mattresses what are they doing? And most importantly, on the basis of what?
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    4. Pavel Vereshchagin
      Pavel Vereshchagin 3 October 2015 14: 41 New
      13
      Bulletin of Russia
      CNN: “A RUSSIAN AIRPLANE PUSHED A US STORM ATTACK FROM SKY SYRIA”

      "The Russian fighter Su-30SM by its actions forced the pilot of the American A-10 attack aircraft to leave airspace over Syria." - reports on the air of the American radio station CNN

      "When performing tasks in the sky over Syria, our pilot was faced with a situation that forced him to leave Syrian airspace and return to the US Air Force base. In the second minute of the flight, he was" intercepted "by the Russian Su-30SM fighter, whose pilot made it clear "it’s necessary to stop the flight and leave Syrian territory. It’s interesting how Washington will continue to react to such" coercive "actions of Russia?" - notes CNN host Wolf Blitzer.

      I like47Share9
      1. Patriot22
        Patriot22 3 October 2015 14: 43 New
        -11
        Yeah, that's just that neither CNN has it, nor Wolf Blitzer said that.
        Typical jaundice
        1. Mainbeam
          Mainbeam 3 October 2015 14: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Penetrator
          Quote: MainBeam
          That single did the attack aircraft do over Syria? A-10 is not a scout. If one, then not on a mission. It’s strange. If they wrote Russian fighters and forced the American attack aircraft to leave Syrian airspace, I would believe.

          Fake, most likely. "In the second minute of the flight, he was" intercepted "by a Russian fighter" - the A-10 after take-off turns out to be intercepted, near the base. Americans are starting to escalate, as an example - such are the messages.
        2. udincev
          udincev 3 October 2015 15: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: Patriot22
          Yeah, that's just that neither CNN has it, nor Wolf Blitzer said that.
          Typical jaundice

          Yeah ... Then the Bulletin of Russia from confidential sources learned about what Wolf wanted to say on CNN and made it public. Now, of course, in spite of not say.
          1. Patriot22
            Patriot22 3 October 2015 15: 25 New
            -1
            Everything is simpler, someone invented and sites with a dubious reputation and poor popularity were picked up.
            Or was Blitzer's words written down only by oppps.ru?
      2. ultra
        ultra 3 October 2015 15: 40 New
        +2
        Most likely a fake, in Incirlik where coalition planes fly out are not based Thunderbolts.
    5. REXSTORZ
      REXSTORZ 3 October 2015 15: 01 New
      0
      Yes, finally Americans have rummaged around, rummaging around everywhere, and then even cheating that ours can scout them)) Finally, let the Yankees fly the Yankees home)
      1. family
        family tree 3 October 2015 15: 38 New
        0
        The U.S. Air Force fears that the Russians during the operation in Syria may receive secret information about the F-22 fighter, which is hardly noticeable for radar

        Are they really so naive? Journalists, probably what Of course, they’ll write down everything and look at it and draw conclusions, but otherwise, all the time it was request
    6. War and Peace
      War and Peace 3 October 2015 16: 05 New
      -3
      and where is f22, in Turkey, in Arabia? Like the conversation was that these planes are being thrown to Europe. And what will F22 do there, drive the aircraft? Stuffing some ...
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 3 October 2015 16: 49 New
        +2
        It seems that no one read the message, and go out here in order to at least say something.
        Once again, I duplicate the part of the message:
        “The operation in Syria will allow Russia, on the one hand, to test advanced Su-30CM and Su-34 aircraft in real combat conditions. With the same purpose, the United States launched its own F-22 Raptor in the region, ”a spokesman for the United States Air Force told the publication.

        On the other hand, the source said, Su-30CM and Su-34 may be assigned the task of “getting information about F-22”.

        “Using aircraft radar warning radar (STR), it is possible to obtain the emission characteristics of F-22 radars in real conditions. This is not a very traditional intelligence gathering as such, but in this way you can find out how STRs perceive and display F-22 radar radiation, ”a source told the magazine.

        This opinion was not shared by another representative of the intelligence agency. According to him, "as a rule, specialized aircraft, such as the Il-20M, are used by the Russian military to gather intelligence."

        And again, a message from RBC:
        According to RBC, "The reconnaissance aircraft Il-20 arrived at the Latakia airbase on October 1, writes The Financial Times."
    7. Smit713
      Smit713 3 October 2015 17: 31 New
      0
      Therefore, the F-22 did not participate in any conflicts. He was hiding in the United States. And the Americans are scaring him with their presence, showing "Hollywood commercials" about this plane. I’m thinking that in a couple of days F-22 will disappear in Syria and Iraq, so that the Russians don’t learn the secret secrets of F-22.
    8. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 3 October 2015 17: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: oleg-gr
      If you are afraid, why did you send your planes there? So the vaunted F-22 is invisible only to Aboriginal spears. If you want to hide your invisibility, sit at home in the USA.

      They are afraid that if at least one F-22 gets to us, then we will learn some technologies in invisibility and in radio electronics, to which they believe that the Russians have not reached. Well, the means of communication and the inputs to the control system, everything will have to be changed, and this is a multimillion-dollar cost and a loss of huge time.
      And they save F-22 in case America suddenly orders to shoot down Russian planes. But they are ready for battle and do not have to wait a few days until they are distilled from America and prepared for take-off.
      Therefore, your comment that "F-22 is invisible only to Aboriginal people with spears" is a TOTAL understanding of the military-political situation in the area.
      Sorry for the harshness, but the F-22 fought well in Iraq, even though there were Russian air defense systems in Iraq
      Yes, still, do not consider me a supporter of the Americans, quite the contrary, I hate them, but we need to think really, there is a war and maybe this is their last trump card to stop Russia in Syria.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 3 October 2015 18: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Алексей_К
        but the F-22 fought fine in Iraq

        I apologize to everyone, I accidentally made a mistake. F-117 fought in Iraq.
        1. andj61
          andj61 3 October 2015 19: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: Алексей_К
          Quote: Алексей_К
          but the F-22 fought fine in Iraq

          I apologize to everyone, I accidentally made a mistake. F-117 fought in Iraq.

          When the F-117 fought in Iraq, there were no Russian systems there, there were Soviet ones, and the most extreme of the 60s was developed. But even they couldn’t fight normally - they did not work as part of the ACS. And along the way - they practically didn’t work at all - the United States agreed with a certain circle of the Iraqi military - and they simply did not fight stupidly.
          And the 117th our old radars were perfectly seen back in the 80s, immediately after their adoption in the United States - this is a real fact.
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 3 October 2015 18: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: Алексей_К
        this is their last trump card to stop Russia in Syria.

        Sorry, it’s absurdly said.
        hi
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 3 October 2015 20: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Cynic
          Quote: Алексей_К
          this is their last trump card to stop Russia in Syria.

          Sorry, it’s absurdly said.
          hi

          I take an example from you. Here is one of your comments: "How secret it is, unless HOW _ is needed."
          This phrase definitely cannot be translated or simply understood.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 3 October 2015 21: 01 New
            0
            Hello again . For a long time did not communicate. hi
            For those in the tank
            Quote: Tjeck
            We are unlikely to find out secret information; the Americans will screech it so as not to let the wreckage be examined.

            This is from the wreckage, which at least will say HOW IT IS NOT NECESSARY to design and make such airplanes.
            wink
            drinks
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 3 October 2015 21: 01 New
            +4
            Quote: Алексей_К
            Here is one of your comments: "How secret it is, unless HOW _ is needed."
            This phrase definitely cannot be translated or simply understood.

            If, then of course, because and how, and most likely laughing wassat
    9. fridge
      fridge 3 October 2015 18: 45 New
      15
      The network has the first photo of a polite Russian pilot! soldier
      1. Jan Ivanov
        Jan Ivanov 4 October 2015 00: 27 New
        +1
        And, as is customary for polite, without any signs. )
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    11. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 3 October 2015 20: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: oleg-gr
      If you want to hide your invisibility, sit at home in the USA.

      What are there in Yugoslavia "invisible" knocked "? Compared to today's air defense - almost spears. And nothing, even the natives can resist ...
    12. One, two, on the left.
      One, two, on the left. 3 October 2015 20: 39 New
      0
      It has long been necessary to do this !!!!!!
    13. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 3 October 2015 23: 49 New
      0
      And the king is naked!
    14. RUSIVAN
      RUSIVAN 3 October 2015 23: 57 New
      0
      They do not want to send him there because he is invisible, no one should see him)))))
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  2. manguest
    manguest 3 October 2015 14: 24 New
    11
    The main secret is that it will be noticeable) Money down the drain ...
    1. Hariva
      Hariva 3 October 2015 14: 28 New
      +6
      Well so they already understood everything. If you used to say F22 - the plane is invisible, now - an inconspicuous plane.
      The US Air Force fears that the Russians during the operation in Syria may receive secret information about the F-22 fighter, which is inconspicuous for radar
      1. BlackDragon
        BlackDragon 3 October 2015 14: 34 New
        +5
        Quote: Hariva
        Well so they already understood everything. If you used to say F22 - the plane is invisible, now - an inconspicuous plane.

        there were no statements about "invisibility"; it was already the press that replicated the yellow one.
        1. Hariva
          Hariva 3 October 2015 15: 02 New
          +3
          And who am I talking about ???
          writes National Interest magazine
  3. bender8282
    bender8282 3 October 2015 14: 25 New
    +6
    Yes, and the "secrets" of the raptor for us, I believe, have long been no secrets)
  4. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 3 October 2015 14: 25 New
    16
    In direct collisions, the characteristics of the F-22 will be revealed.
    So they will find out who sees whom and from what distances; and who previously missiles are aimed at the target.
    And the C-300 complexes on the Moscow cruiser “live” to aim at the F-22 are more pleasant than in theory.

    And I want to send Raptor to Syria; and afraid that we learn about him too much.

    1. GRAY
      GRAY 3 October 2015 14: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: MainBeam
      And I want to send the Raptor to Syria; and afraid that we learn about him too much.

      They are already tama.
      American aircraft began to strike at the positions of militants "Islamic State" in Syria, reports "Naval Blog" with reference to ABC News and the Wall Street Journal.
      It is noted that the fifth-generation multi-purpose fighter F-22 Raptor, which had not previously been used in real combat conditions, are involved in the military operation. This information was confirmed by authoritative observers.

      http://topwar.ru/58734-f-22-nanesli-pervye-boevye-udary-v-sirii.html
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 3 October 2015 14: 40 New
        0
        Quote: GRAY
        It is noted that in a military operation involved fifth-generation F-22 Raptor multirole fighters that not used before in real combat conditions.

        Just because they are there does not mean that they are applied. Joke.
        I do not know how far they are deployed from our positions.
        They walk along the edge quietly, quietly, without falling into the zone of our influence.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 3 October 2015 14: 37 New
      +3
      The first Iraqi was lowered from the sky F-117, a week later most of the blocks were in Moscow ...
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 3 October 2015 16: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: MainBeam
      In direct collisions, the characteristics of the F-22 will be revealed.

      What are the direct clashes? To begin with, our air group is bombing the ISIS, and what’s more about the F-22.
      Quote: MainBeam
      So they will find out who sees whom and from what distances; and who previously missiles are aimed at the target.

      The raptor, of course, can work on the ground, but amers have much more adapted planes for this work. And therefore I think our raptor pilots will not meet in the sky of Syria.

      Quote: MainBeam
      And the C-300 complexes on the Moscow cruiser “live” to aim at the F-22 are more pleasant than in theory.

      Are we fighting with anyone, with ISIS or with the USA? I'm talking about an open confrontation ... This F-22, like the elusive Joe in that joke ... who cares if he needs. All the parameters have long been known to our specialists, and therefore it’s already open secret. hi
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 3 October 2015 17: 25 New
        -6
        Quote: NEXUS
        What are the direct clashes?

        Well, recently there was information that our Su-30СМ drove A-10. What is not a collision? I didn’t talk about aerial combat. F-22 can cover A-10, or something like that. For some reason, the Yankos sent F-22, not for assault operations. And a "clash" is not necessarily a "military confrontation." Or another example:
        A source in the military circles of the American contingent in Turkey reported that aircraft approaching close to the Russian forces were illuminated by radar, while the source of the light could not be determined.


        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: MainBeam
        So they will find out who sees whom and from what distances; and who previously missiles are aimed at the target.

        The raptor, of course, can work on the ground,

        On the air-to-air collision, I think that detecting the enemy is feasible on bоat a greater distance than hitting a target with a homing head. With stealth airplanes, the situation is generally incomprehensible to me for the reason that modern airplanes can receive information from ground-based air defense systems or from AWACS airplanes, and missile heads operate autonomously and independently in their own selfish interests.

        Quote: NEXUS
        Are we fighting with anyone, with ISIS or with the USA?

        I don’t think that our C300 / C400 complexes had ever had a real opportunity to observe the F-22 in range. But in Syria, the presence of these warring systems is taking place.
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 3 October 2015 17: 41 New
        -2
        Quote: NEXUS
        Amer has much more adapted planes for this work.

        Did the F-22 replace the F-117?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 3 October 2015 17: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: Cynic
          Did the F-22 replace the F-117?

          But it’s nothing that these are planes of different classes and specializations? A raptor is a fighter for conquering in the air, and the F-117 is a bomber with elements of an attack aircraft and certainly with its performance characteristics. hi
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 3 October 2015 18: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            But nothing that these are planes of a different class and

            Yah .
            This is not for me, this is for the therapist, then the Pentagon.
            Did not bother the search engine _
            September 23, 2014 in the media there was information about the first combat use of the US Air Force F-22 against Islamists in Syria. The plane struck the city of Raqqa and its suburbs. [41] By February 2015, F-22s had completed at least 112 combat missions in the sky of Syria [42]. By June 2015, F-22s were included in each group of attack aircraft bombing Syria. One 11-hour flight is described, in which the F-22 clearly demonstrated its versatility, completing the strike mission, reconnaissance of the enemy’s ground forces, pointing other planes at the target and escorting bombers [43].

            Enough or more?
            Specialists say that all the troubles of 22 from the desire of the Yusovites in one plane to embrace the immense _ and attack aircraft, and fighter, and reconnaissance, and ...
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 3 October 2015 18: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Cynic
              Enough or more?

              And where did you see in my posts that I claimed that the Raptor cannot work on the ground? Or I, as in that song, something with my memory became ...
              I just said that I could, but he doesn’t do it as well as say “WATERFAR” ...
              In addition, it is incomparably more expensive than many simpler machines capable of working on the ground.
              Quote: Cynic
              Specialists say that all the troubles of 22 from the desire of the Yusovites in one plane to embrace the immense _ and attack aircraft, and fighter, and reconnaissance, and ...

              And is this a problem only with Ф-22? ... in my opinion this problem is much aggravated with Ф-35. hi
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 3 October 2015 19: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: NEXUS
                Where did you see in my posts that

                So I misunderstood
                Quote: NEXUS
                But nothing that these are planes of different classes and specializations? A raptor fighter for conquering in the air, and the F-117 is ...
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 3 October 2015 19: 19 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Cynic
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  But nothing that these are planes of different classes and specializations? A raptor fighter for conquering in the air, and the F-117 is ...

                  And the f-117 bomber with the elements of an attack aircraft ... but not a fighter ... too slow, clumsy and in the clear sky visible even to the blind and cross-eyed majahid ...
                  1. Cynic
                    Cynic 3 October 2015 19: 44 New
                    0
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    A f-117 bomber with attack elements ... but not a fighter ...

                    That's the conversation about F-22/35, not F-117 and that he came to replace him ...
                    Or how ?
                    laughing
                    Generally _
                    I know that you know that I know that you know ...

                    drinks
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 3 October 2015 19: 51 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Cynic
                      I know that you know that I know that you know ...

                      drinks
                      God be with them, the Raptors and Lightings ... we would have to bring the PAK FA to mind and put it into series, and I would like to make the new generation LFIs as soon as possible ... and let Amer’s wunderwaffles “please” Amer’s taxpayers. hi
                      1. Cynic
                        Cynic 3 October 2015 20: 38 New
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        PACK FA bring to mind and put into series, and

                        Consider it already, in spite of all, accomplished
                        Now PAK YES is our everything!
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 3 October 2015 20: 42 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Cynic
                        Now PAK YES is our everything!

                        It is still a long way to PAK ... the new TU-160 is closer ... much closer ... but I’m more interested in two other topics: the development of the 5 generation by MIG taking into account the developments on the MIG-1.44 and their work on the new interceptor ( conditionally MIG-41), about which not ours, but the Americans say that it will be hyper sound, while the speed characteristic-4,5-5 of the swing sounds ...
                      3. Cynic
                        Cynic 4 October 2015 11: 12 New
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Before PAK YES it is still far ... closer the new TU-160 ... much closer ...

                        There is an expression best the enemy of the good , but rather, there’s a conversation that GOOD ENEMY OF THE BEST .
                2. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 3 October 2015 20: 47 New
                  0
                  Sorry that I am interfering, but 117 is not a ground attack aircraft (not a single element) .Evening as a breakthrough semi-experimental aircraft, it successfully operated without special losses from the chub threat, it did not need to provide a lane for the air defense breakthrough. It itself broke through with a silent glaze. blows cr. .Rocket and the actions of EW 117 aircraft entered the Iraqi air defense zone with impunity, drenched control centers and a control station and left with impunity. Here is a hint of patriotoa from the city of Urartu (an Iraqi city such) why the Pentagon invented and put F-z5 onto the industrial flow. Sky No vile americans unfold. !!! They weighed the pros and cons, thought and decided that it’s easier to come up with tricky pieces than spending your budget on diapers and the entire world aircraft industry was fooled --- the leading centers in Moscow and Beijing are also stealth boarders, though they lag behind because idiots have had many, many such things for a long time. And now the Americans have a program for a drone that can be controlled and paired with 22 and especially 35 (I want to pay attention to this ..) Stupid, they only need to cut the budget, our “teal” in one canopy their wings will land. The main thing is that the Chinese give us motors and all sorts of elemental things to deliver to us, otherwise our teal will not fly up. Maybe you ask something so small (low) I ask. Something there is a UAV OK. Why is there no Su-35 in our regiment x and in Syria. Correct, not ready. Questions? Cons? Words? * It is a pity, Mr. Rogozin does not participate in topics. We have questions. b
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 3 October 2015 20: 58 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    Sorry for interfering, but 117 isn’t really a stormtrooper (not a single element)

                    And I said that the F-117 attack aircraft? In my opinion it was said that it can perform the functions of an attack aircraft, as a result of its low-speed, and that only at night in the absence of more or less advanced air defense ...
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    . In synthesis with strokes cr. .Rocket and actions of 117 EW aircraft entered the Iraqi Air Defense Zone with impunity

                    Did Iraq have multi-level high-tech anti-aircraft defense? Hmm ... this is news ...
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    The Pentagon invented and put on the industrial stream Ф-з5.

                    The stealth developments in the USSR began to be mastered long before the amers, and all their efforts to invent a super duper wunderwafel with super stealth technologies have been known and studied for a long time by our specialists ... Not one stealth will break through the layered air defense, be it at least three times Raptor, four times Hawk and ten lightning time ...
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    .Why there is no Su-35 in our regiments and in Syria.

                    The SU-35 passes through the ICG, and in Syria it has nothing to do. This is a machine to conquer the lordship in the air. Who should he fight with if ISIS does not have an air force?
                  2. Cynic
                    Cynic 4 October 2015 11: 21 New
                    0
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    The main thing is that China needs us ...

                    Fully characterizes your knowledge in the field of aircraft construction. I myself am far from being a pro in these matters, I was just always interested and trying to keep up to date, but NORMAL ENGINES cannot do in China, despite the huge investments ... It is necessary to use something from the field of profanity to denote such statements like yours.
          2. Cynic
            Cynic 3 October 2015 19: 31 New
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            in my opinion this problem is much aggravated in the F-35

            Hereditary diseases, if not cured, are exacerbated in subsequent generations. And in export ...
            Yes Yusovtsy not used to beating loot, one story with the F-104 that is worth. Recapture the interceptor ahead of its time into a fighter-bomber and push it to Europe ...
        2. clidon
          clidon 3 October 2015 22: 05 New
          0
          Specialists say that all the troubles of 22 from the desire of the Yusovites in one plane to embrace the immense _ and attack aircraft, and fighter, and reconnaissance, and ...

          The same can be said about the Su-30 and Su-35 and T-50.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 3 October 2015 22: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: clidon
            The same can be said about the Su-30 and Su-35 and T-50.

            Is this a fright then? Su-30 is a fighter-bomber, 35, like PAK FA, is a fighter for gaining superiority in the air ... And if you are talking about the universality of Amer and our aircraft, then I'm sorry, the tasks and the requirements for our machines are much more clear and well-formed.
            And if we recall how the same F-35 was positioned first and what the Americans now say about the concept of its use, then these are very different things.
            1. clidon
              clidon 3 October 2015 23: 07 New
              0
              That is, KABs and Fubs on the Su-30/35, as well as blocks of NURSs on the Su-35, is this for gaining superiority in the air? ) Well, at the same time, they plan a hanging container for reconnaissance purposes and target designation.
              http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/310/yioj421.gif

              There is no difference between our approaches and the American ones - except that they are going to remove (but will not remove in any way) the A-10 attack aircraft (with the F-35 replaced by the construction of which this does not affect in any way), but with us it seems leave the Su-25. Although not a fact.
              Otherwise, everything is the same for everyone (expensive universal machines, or very cheap highly specialized for auxiliary tasks) and there will be less and less specialized machines. The park is shrinking at all and the nomenclature will fall.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 3 October 2015 23: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: clidon
                That is, CABs and Fubs on Su-30 / 35, as well as blocks of NURSs on Su-35, is this for gaining superiority in the air? )

                Did I really say that the 30 and 35 cannot work on the ground? I’ll explain to you about the BASIC mission of these aircraft ... but excuse me, voice the main mission of the F-35, that is, its main task, for which he created ...
                1. clidon
                  clidon 3 October 2015 23: 37 New
                  +2
                  That is, do you think that the whole truth took refuge in the word "basic"? Well, if a plane can launch the same missile on the ground, is it very important that this is laid down as the main or as an additional one? )
                  You're just trapped in the axioms (for some) "Fools do everything universal, but here everything is so special and correct". Although we have long been forced to make cars based on the fact that they should be able to do WELL practically everything, and there that is required.

                  Well, take an example from the past F-16. What kind of "main" is it - against the air or on the ground? Yes there and there. Although the basic requirements were "like a fighter." And it came in handy more "like a drummer." And he almost became an attack aircraft. )
                  With regard to fifth-generation aircraft, everything, I repeat, is only getting worse - there will be fewer options, although something will be transferred to UAVs in the end.

                  PS If we talk about the versatility of the F-35, then it is better to focus on its "vertical" version.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 3 October 2015 23: 49 New
                    +2
                    Quote: clidon
                    That is, do you think that the whole truth took refuge in the word "basic"?

                    Exactly.

                    Quote: clidon
                    "Fools do everything universal, but here everything is so special and correct"

                    The fools, so far, apparently did not understand, or it is hard for them to realize that the technology is not at the level at the moment to make a machine that could equally well perform the functions of several classes of machines. This is confirmed by the fuss and chugging of amers from F-35.
                    Fortunately, no one has canceled the classification of cars and the concept of a fighter pair is still alive, and there is a clear classification of machines according to the tasks for which they are created. And if these machines are also capable of doing something, it’s an honor and praise to our designers.
                  2. clidon
                    clidon 4 October 2015 08: 49 New
                    0
                    It remains to bring your statements to their logical conclusion and say that the shock functions of our aircraft appeared by chance. Well, they did and did op, they look - yes, here you can screw an impact rocket! And the Americans are puffing at her, but it doesn’t come out. Here we are lucky with the wisdom of design.

                    PS Fussing and panting among Americans (like fussing around panting around the Su-35 or T-50) are due to the high technological complexity of the machine in the first place.
                  3. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 4 October 2015 10: 09 New
                    +2
                    Quote: clidon
                    Well, they did and did op, they look - yes, here you can screw an impact rocket!

                    No ... Don’t distort my words. Unlike amers, our designers and the customer never set the task of making a universal machine that would replace three classes of aircraft at once. And about “screwing a rocket”, so excuse rocket science and generally designing an arsenal for aircraft does not stand still, and it is also developing. For PAK FA, they also build a new arsenal.
                  4. clidon
                    clidon 4 October 2015 11: 21 New
                    0
                    In your opinion, a universal machine is being created (which can replace three or four classes), but this is not in the TK and there is no such task! Itself turned out for free. ) In your free time and money from subbotniks?
                    And PAK FA will be the same wagon. And that is why for him they “master” the new arsenal at once for three or four classes. For money and on TK.
                  5. Cynic
                    Cynic 4 October 2015 11: 43 New
                    +3
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    . Unlike amers, our designers and the customer never set the task to make a universal machine that would replace three classes of aircraft at once.

                    I look how contagious the manner in which we look around at the Yusovtsy and measure everything with their standards!
                    Could not make such a machine as F-22/35 means stupid, but what was stated in the technical characteristics of these monsters and what is in fact it does not matter!
                    And the fact that the cost of cars differs by an order of magnitude, with similar performance characteristics, also sideways!
  • kil 31
    kil 31 3 October 2015 14: 26 New
    +2
    This opinion was not shared by another representative of the intelligence agency. According to him, "as a rule, specialized aircraft, such as the Il-20M, are used by the Russian military to gather intelligence." We can also bring down the wreckage to ourselves. Why do we need IL so effective. Then prove that you are not ISIS. lol
  • Aleksandr2012
    Aleksandr2012 3 October 2015 14: 26 New
    0
    Quote: manguest
    The main secret is that it will be noticeable) Money down the drain ...

    I just wanted to write the same thing!
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 3 October 2015 14: 28 New
    +4
    I think they will send drones towards our bases in any way. It’s safe, but you can take the characteristics of our RES, call them to work and fire. And if you take it, then raise it high.
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 3 October 2015 14: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: armored optimist
      if we beat, then hi raise

      I think they have an agreement on this topic, such as, if we notice, we will be beaten and then do not be offended.
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 3 October 2015 15: 23 New
      0
      Quote: armored optimist
      And if you take it, then raise it high.

      So, after all, ours can not only bring down - they learned to take control. And they put strangers quietly "to themselves" wink
    3. Cynic
      Cynic 3 October 2015 16: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: armored optimist
      Safe but

      Exactly what but. Knocked down and do not think. Is there no armor there? They’re even officially there, but to cover their own, ours will be tampered with at least the S-400!
      1. clidon
        clidon 4 October 2015 08: 51 New
        0
        Escalation there is again fraught. Therefore, I do not think that we will also tear the launch levers without special need.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 4 October 2015 11: 58 New
          0
          Quote: clidon
          Escalation there is again fraught.

          It all depends on the intentions of the parties _
          Dad and son were called to the headmaster _
          DIRECTOR: - I have to talk with you about the immoral behavior of your son during the breaks. He just does that he runs after the girls!
          Dad:
          - Just think, all the normal guys in his age run after the girls!
          Director:
          - With a chainsaw ??? !!!

          wink
  • Karasev70
    Karasev70 3 October 2015 14: 28 New
    0
    You won’t praise yourself ...
  • 0255
    0255 3 October 2015 14: 29 New
    +6
    Let the raptors get farther away from Syria at a supersonic cruising speed, preferably back to the states, and the problem with the detection of the raptor by the Su-30 radar will be solved laughing And if American instructors training ISIS and “moderate opposition” are dumped from Syria, it will be fine, then the Syrians will finally live in peace.
  • roskot
    roskot 3 October 2015 14: 29 New
    +8
    Afraid of losing secrets? Stay away from our base. Something like that
  • shinobi
    shinobi 3 October 2015 14: 29 New
    +6
    Like children, damn it. Well, what nafig secrets. Everything has been known for a long time. Even the materials used and the characteristics of the on-board systems. The main secrets in factories in production chains, yes. But this is a completely different story.
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 3 October 2015 14: 35 New
      +3
      Using aviation radar warning stations (STR), you can get the characteristics radiation of F-22 radars in real conditions.
  • Haettenschweiler
    Haettenschweiler 3 October 2015 14: 32 New
    +7
    - Actually, they are rightly afraid. No matter what the main real goals of the operation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in Syria, in the process of achieving them it is quite possible to fulfill several related tasks. And this is even more humane and democratic than the USA’s actions during the Cold War, when a passenger airliner was sent to the USSR’s air borders in order to obtain information about the interaction of ground stations, operators and fighter aircraft. The more information the Russian army gathers in Syria, the more effective the countermeasures in other regions will be if it is ever needed.
  • vfqjh
    vfqjh 3 October 2015 14: 33 New
    +2
    They want to increase the significance of their developments, and Donald Cook in the Black Sea felt ours. So think about who is HU?
  • gloomy fox
    gloomy fox 3 October 2015 14: 33 New
    +2
    I think that the vaunted f 22 as well as the once especially vaunting f117 stealth is also not visible to their own radors. However, it was shot down by the old air defenses in Yugoslavia! After all, no one has canceled corruption in America. hi
  • Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 3 October 2015 14: 33 New
    +4
    Intelligence is intelligence. Mutually conducted. Each side seeks the most profitable use of the emerging situation. There is no need for Pentagon employees to rush headlong into the National Interest magazine and scream about it.
  • barclay
    barclay 3 October 2015 14: 36 New
    +5
    He also suggested that Russia deployed fighter jets in order to prevent Western aircraft from spying. “Probably, the Su-30SM was deployed not for air defense purposes, but to scare off and push back reconnaissance aircraft that could come close to the Russian operational base,”
    And they doubted that the air base would be protected in all respects?
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 3 October 2015 14: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: barclay
      And they doubted that the air base would be protected in all respects?


      - And they still remember the 90s, when all the secrets, military, economic, all the necessary models of equipment could simply be bought, moreover, inexpensively. And if you didn’t want to buy, you could insolently fly an UAV over the base of interest and count even the crumbs on the table in the dining room, at least the number, type and configuration of vehicles in the RPM. And now, you see, it remains only to buy.
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 3 October 2015 14: 40 New
    +2
    Pentagon fears Russians in Syria might learn F-22 secrets
    If you are afraid, then bury it then on your territory, as if no one will guess what. Striped panties laughing
  • witch
    witch 3 October 2015 14: 41 New
    +1
    oh how scared
  • HMR333
    HMR333 3 October 2015 14: 53 New
    +2
    who needs their secrets there is technology of the last century))) they even finish the life system of providing oxygen to dosihpors after the fall of their pilots due to lack of oxygen!
  • unsinkable
    unsinkable 3 October 2015 14: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: oleg-gr
    hide your invisibility -

    An interesting phrase is to hide the invisibility. And how to show the invisibility? I agree with you, this is for the natives.
  • SERGEY UI
    SERGEY UI 3 October 2015 14: 59 New
    +9
    The first photos of our pilots good
  • SERGEY UI
    SERGEY UI 3 October 2015 15: 01 New
    +7
    Here is another photo good
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 3 October 2015 16: 22 New
      +3
      And there Putin again ??? wink
    2. IAlex
      IAlex 3 October 2015 16: 22 New
      0
      And there Putin again ??? wink
  • Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin 3 October 2015 15: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: MainBeam
    In direct collisions, the characteristics of the F-22 will be revealed.
    So they will find out who sees whom and from what distances; and who previously missiles are aimed at the target.
    And the C-300 complexes on the Moscow cruiser “live” to aim at the F-22 are more pleasant than in theory.

    And I want to send Raptor to Syria; and afraid that we learn about him too much.


    And what in this rubbish to find out then?
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 3 October 2015 15: 09 New
    +1
    Lord! What do they think the F-22 is a secret? Has it already fallen? And what-all gathered? wassat
  • tinibar
    tinibar 3 October 2015 15: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: oleg-gr
    If you are afraid, why did you send your planes there? So the vaunted F-22 is invisible only to Aboriginal spears. If you want to hide your invisibility, sit at home in the USA.

    "And a terrible secret was revealed - no f-22 is invisible!" laughing But they are not afraid that the Russians will know about it, they already know enough, but that their own taxpayer will know about it ... repeat
  • starshina pv
    starshina pv 3 October 2015 15: 18 New
    +1
    what the fuck are secrets? We know everything for a long time !!!
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 3 October 2015 15: 18 New
    0
    Quote: AleksUkr
    Quote: Rus2012
    - "we will not fulfill the Russian requirements for the liberation of the sky of Syria" Pentagon


    Well, don’t free. You can just be helped to retire, unobtrusively ...
    ALSO ALREADY ADVISE, UNTIL: 2.10.2015
    CNN: "Russian plane pushed US attack aircraft out of Syria sky"

    "The Russian fighter Su-30SM by its actions forced the pilot of the American A-10 attack aircraft to leave airspace over Syria." - reports on the air of the American radio station CNN

    "When performing tasks in the sky over Syria, our pilot was faced with a situation that forced him to leave Syrian airspace and return to the US Air Force base. In the second minute of the flight, he was" intercepted "by the Russian Su-30SM fighter, whose pilot made it clear "it’s necessary to stop the flight and leave Syrian territory. It’s interesting how Washington will continue to react to such" coercive "actions of Russia?" - notes CNN host Wolf Blitzer.

    Source: http://fishki.net/photo/1683673-rossijskij-samolet-vytesnil-shturmovik-ssha.html

    © Fishki.net

    Yes, how else to respond? Get down until the pension went to the widow's house, and then chat, in California they won’t beat something (almost ours), once again. Sit on the ranch, breed mustangs ... A-10 ... Yes. We’ll disperse the corn, wretched (a great airplane, by the way).
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 3 October 2015 15: 19 New
    +1
    The US Air Force fears that the Russians during the operation in Syria may receive secret information about the F-22 fighter, which is inconspicuous for radar, the National Interest magazine writes.


    From this conclusion, the conclusion suggests itself that this aircraft is intended solely for demonstrative purposes (I don’t even stutter about the Papuans), this conclusion is also confirmed by the refusal to sell it to allies. I wonder why Congress should not consider the misuse of budget funds. Although of course this is unlikely, they do not recognize after all that it is a threshing floor with wings, for astronomical money.

    Something like that or something. laughing wassat bully
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 3 October 2015 15: 23 New
    +1
    before the Su-30СМ and Su-34 the task “to get information about the F-22” can be set.
    It will be delivered, we will receive. Another thing is that f-22 was created on stolen (purchased) data on MIG-144. And, of course, if we simply compare the appearance of the f-22 and f-117 (which is neither a fighter nor an attack aircraft), while the S-125 vulgaris is shot down with a meter range radar, then it’s clear that we won’t be anything but a radio portrait try to find out - nafig is not necessary. But the ammunition used is another story. Here, if possible, "we will see."
  • Abbra
    Abbra 3 October 2015 15: 30 New
    0
    Well, what is there to advise the Americans? Unless to wear condoms on the F-22 ...
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  • bratchanin
    bratchanin 3 October 2015 15: 36 New
    +3
    So that the Russians do not learn the secrets of the F-22, they must be kept at airfields in the United States and not allowed into Syria and, in general, where our military aircraft fly.
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 3 October 2015 15: 37 New
    +7
    SERGEY UI
    Here is another photo

    Respected! Look at the friendly site (see PICTURE OF THE DAY) article "The first photo essays of Russian media from the airspace base in the area of ​​L ...". If you find there a photo of even one of our pilots, I PUBLICALLY THREE TIMES Apologize to YOU! Think why the photo media did not give a single photo of the pilots? If you do not find (as among the information of other members of the forum) - then self-critically give yourself an assessment ... your moral side of the act with posting photos ...
    Explain why?
    1. SERGEY UI
      SERGEY UI 3 October 2015 15: 40 New
      +1
      These photos were published by Komsomol truth correspondents
    2. SERGEY UI
      SERGEY UI 3 October 2015 15: 42 New
      0
      http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/03/photo/
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 3 October 2015 15: 38 New
    +1
    If the F-22 is not visible to the radar, then there is nothing for the mattresses to worry about, they will not see it, but if the F-22 radars are fake, they are afraid of it.
  • Tusv
    Tusv 3 October 2015 15: 45 New
    0
    Hompodya. Well, on Mondays in 1999, Amer’s are absolutely invisible. Continue to remain invisible on earth, and as our flyers see, they either wave their hands, such as catching up differently ...
  • star123
    star123 3 October 2015 15: 51 New
    +2
    and the Americans are at least vkurse.
  • Nymp
    Nymp 3 October 2015 15: 59 New
    +2
    Merikasosy suffer from megalomania. They forgot that the vast majority of their military innovations sailed to them like trophies after winning the Cold War (which, by the way, had not yet ended, which means they won only the first battle) and there was no merit for mattresses! Let them not boast of their Bullshit-22.
    1. star123
      star123 3 October 2015 16: 14 New
      +1
      Americans at least taste the Pentagon
  • Bogranz
    Bogranz 3 October 2015 16: 03 New
    0
    And do not FIG go where the scythe walks.
  • Tjeck
    Tjeck 3 October 2015 16: 12 New
    0
    it’s unlikely that we’ll find out secret information, the Americans will also raise a screech in order to prevent them from exploring the wreckage. but what’s more likely is that if some rook with air-to-air missiles raises its ground, the strike on prestige will not be frail.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 3 October 2015 16: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Tjeck
      secret information

      How secret it is, unless HOW _
  • forest park 86
    forest park 86 3 October 2015 16: 22 New
    0
    Admin, cancel comments on articles. We write such nonsense ...
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 3 October 2015 17: 44 New
      +7
      Quote: 86 Forest Park
      We write such nonsense ...

      How self-critical. You rarely see this.
  • Allexir
    Allexir 3 October 2015 16: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: CERHJ
    Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
    The Russian fighter Su-30SM by its actions forced the pilot of the American A-10 attack aircraft to leave airspace over Syria. "- reports on air of the American radio station CNN

    Already somewhere this fake was already. Openly ignorant stupidity. The Americans fly to bomb Syria from the base in Turkey Ingerlik. So there is no A-10 and never was ... and "two minutes after take-off" is somewhere above the territory Turkey ... lol


    This incident occurred not in the Turkish, but on the Iraqi border. In addition to Turkey, American attack aircraft lodge in Iraq.
  • galakt
    galakt 3 October 2015 16: 26 New
    0
    Unfortunately, Yusey has one option and he will certainly use it on behalf of 60 countries that are allegedly members of the Yuseyskiy coalition against virtual terrorism - this, of course, is the introduction of sophisticated sanctions and even more dense isolation of Russia.
  • shelva
    shelva 3 October 2015 16: 36 New
    +3
    What are the Americans afraid if they have it so inconspicuous?
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 3 October 2015 16: 36 New
    +4
    Quote: 86 Forest Park
    Admin, cancel comments on articles. We write such nonsense.

    You not that you meanby chance?

    Quote: 86 Forest Park
    We plunge into Syria to the fullest, Mattresses have achieved their. And if Mujahideen are still breaking out of Afghanistan - what shall we do? One joy there will be many Tajiks in Moscow, slave prices will fall

    Or is it this?

    Quote: 86 Forest Park
    And if you use a little long-range aviation, or is it just scary for the British?

    Against ISIS - Long-range aviation .. mdya ..

    Quote: 86 Forest Park
    Complete nonsense

    Exactly yes

  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 3 October 2015 16: 37 New
    0
    Using aviation radar warning stations (STR), one can obtain the emission characteristics of F-22 radars in real conditions.
    Already there are such characteristics, everything has already been taken off. Alaska was stormed, and then they saw F. It has long been no secret.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 3 October 2015 16: 42 New
    0
    The Su-30SM was deployed not for air defense purposes, but to scare off and push back reconnaissance aircraft that could come close to the Russian operational base
    Su-30, not Su-35.35 are not ready for armament and radar.
  • Cynic
    Cynic 3 October 2015 16: 46 New
    0
    Well, just like children, it is not visible! Grazhdane, he is visible everywhere, only visible poorly or well. The 117th complex in Yugoslavia removed the S-125! What Raptor is very different in signature from it? And they will work on it, most likely, not even the S-300, which even Urkaina has, but the S-400!
  • RUS69
    RUS69 3 October 2015 16: 51 New
    0
    All that is needed has long been removed and recorded. wink
    Now I think we are more interested in the development of the next generations of this device.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 3 October 2015 17: 31 New
      0
      Quote: RUS69
      We are more interested in the development of the next generations of this device.

      Are these the ones that you sprayed on? So bad business is not tricky.
      Now Yusovtsy are concerned about how, through the sales of F-35, financial losses on the F-22 to compensate. The task is not for shkolota!
  • semuil
    semuil 3 October 2015 17: 01 New
    +2
    Media: Pentagon fears that Russians in Syria may learn the secrets of F-22
    It’s necessary to remove them away and that’s all.
  • Banner
    Banner 3 October 2015 17: 01 New
    +1
    what if the Americans know the secret of our frets viburnum and build themselves ... torment
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 3 October 2015 17: 17 New
      +1
      Tormented if they do not recognize the spell on the mother with the help of which it is being repaired! She, after all, doesn’t understand their faxing chatter! lol