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Fish Eye of Russian Microelectronics

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Fish Eye of Russian MicroelectronicsThe country needs its own production of complex components of military equipment. President Vladimir Putin set this task before the industry as part of import substitution during the work of the Military Industrial Commission. The import substitution program plays a crucial role in ensuring the technological and military security of Russia. However, as the MAKS-2015 aerospace show showed, Russian industry is not only capable of substituting, but also creating products that have no direct analogues in the West. And in areas where it is difficult to wait for breakthroughs. For example, in the electronics industry.


It was almost impossible to find a small stand of AVEKS JSC and MRZ TEMP JSC at MAKS-2015 without a hint in the huge pavilion of Roscosmos. Nevertheless, it was here that two new products appeared that could determine the future development of Russian microelectronics: a unique transparent LCD screen that does not have a back reflecting wall, like the analogues of the existing ones in the world. The user sees all the objects behind the screen. This allows you to use it as a simulator and training equipment for aviation and cosmonautics, a unique advertising medium instead of windows and shop windows, used in “smart homes”, museums, built into machines, combine the real picture behind the screen with interactive touch control (augmented reality without video cameras). Today it is possible to produce a screen with a resolution of 1920 × 1080 pixels, up to 2,5 × 1,5 meters in size.

The second novelty is the LED module, assembled not on a conventional PCB, but on a metal printed circuit board.

“This is a demonstrator of our technological capabilities,” explained Kirill Zhukov, Chief Designer of the Center for Radio-Electronic Technologies of MRZ TEMP JSC. “Domestic-developed materials that allow you to create circuit boards for microelectronics with unique characteristics.”

The device shown on the MAX is a LED module. In the company he was called Fish Eye. In general, from a philistine point of view, a banal lamp. What a lot of today on the market. But there is something in it that you will not find anywhere else in the world - the module is assembled on a two-layer conformal (bendable) printed circuit board on a heat-removing aluminum base and covered with a film of parylene. Such a coating, as explained by Zhukov, allows you to protect the structural elements from moisture, salt fog, mold and fungi. Work underwater at depths up to 1 m for more than 300 an hour. But most importantly, the module is assembled on an aluminum base.

“In modern electronics, in the manufacture of printed circuit boards, textolites or ceramics are commonly used,” the designer explains. - Some are not suitable for the creation of lamps, drivers of electric drives - devices with high heat dissipation. Others are too expensive to manufacture. Boards on a metal base are free from such problems. ”

As the designer explains, the metal board is good because it is in itself a radiator that can effectively dissipate the heat arising from the work of the radio elements installed on it. This property is extremely important when designing space and aviation instruments. Allows you to reduce the volume of this technique by 10 again, as designers no longer need to think about heat removal. The aluminum base provides heat removal from the elements, thereby improving their temperature conditions, which contributes to improving the reliability of the print unit as a whole.

In addition, the combination of soft aluminum and elastic polyamide polymer makes it possible to produce a single bend of the board with a radius of at least 5 mm at an angle of up to 180 degrees. That is, when designing devices to abandon the use of loops, adapters.

As Zhukov says, on the AO MRZ TEMP JSC, on request of AVEKS JSC, the technology of industrial production of aluminum printed circuit boards has been fully developed. Several leading space rocket design bureaus of the country have already become interested in the development: JSC Russian Space Systems, Rocket and Space Corporation Energia, Military Industrial Corporation NPO Mashinostroeniya, FSUE KB Arsenal, the MV Research Center. Keldysh, Scientific and Production Association named after S.A. Lavochkina, State Space Research and Production Center named after MV Khrunicheva, Research and Production Rocket and Space Center "TsSKB Progress" and a number of others.

“We are committed to interacting with manufacturers of microelectronics,” says Zhukov. “We are looking for approaches, common interests in using our development.”

In any case, as the designer notes, there is no alternative to the solutions proposed by MRZ TEMP JSC and AVEX JSC on the world market. And this is the case when the mass introduction of such devices will not lead to a trivial import substitution, but really will bring our industry to the forefront. In the area where, it would seem, our country is forever behind the West.
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  1. SOKOL777
    SOKOL777 4 October 2015 00: 44 New
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    We must move forward!
    For this we need only desire. Everything else is there.
    And faster to introduce into the industry, technology.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 4 October 2015 06: 38 New
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      Unfortunately, at the moment this is only a slogan ... Especially, "The rest is everything" .... There isn’t 90% of it already ... they’ve been stolen in the 90s .. I worked in the electronic industry and I know from the diffusion plant as an example "in Smolensk, and hundreds of others. Everything needs to be re-created, especially the production of components. But we most likely will not raise the production of consumer electronics, the wild market is already working here. I am not a pessimist, but leaders of the level of L.P are needed to raise the industry .Beria, and let me dermocrats throw me yourself you know what ...
      Quote: SOKOL777
      We must move forward!
      For this we need only desire. Everything else is there.
      And faster to introduce into the industry, technology.
      1. Sura
        Sura 4 October 2015 07: 47 New
        +6
        And on what elements were assembled then, electronics for the army, judging by the exact blows in Syria, it seems all the same ours, in Georgia they tried to strike through jeepies, the coordinate grid was shifted and started to smear, I had to switch to Russian, not all are such fools and continue to use foreign elements (where is the guarantee that there are no bookmarks inside)?
        We have not one military new technology, two things, already in the army, so we can judge that not everything is so bad. Logics...
        1. Andryukha
          Andryukha 5 October 2015 14: 42 New
          +4
          Quote: Sura
          And on what, then, elements are assembled, electronics for the army ...

          It’s better not to know, it will be calmer.
          Here everyone is talking about financing, the collapse and more. I am a little in the subject of this industry as a consumer of chips and other components.
          So here. The main problem is that nobody needs our electronics. Even the warriors use it only because there are no other options.
          Why not? And because it is impossible to work with FSUEs !!! They are oriented to the military and wanted to sneeze on the client. Even with technological capabilities and working hands, it takes up to 6 months to place an order !! Those. enterprise office workers are not interested in ordering at all.
          Accordingly, you can roll in money, but the efficiency will be low, because in warm places sons or sons of directors sit there, but they often do not even have branch education.
          I would suggest to roll into youth and fundamental science, but only after we have decided on priorities. We won’t pull all at once, but we can quite bite off a little, but constantly.
        2. 4thParasinok
          4thParasinok 17 December 2015 02: 11 New
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          Quote: Sura
          And on what, then, the elements are assembled, electronics for the army, judging by the exact blows in Syria, it seems all the same ours,

          Yeah, only made in China ... Our only assembly and some details. Even for our military Elbrus PCs, motherboards in China do. And only 1000 pieces went into the procurements themselves. in year. As a result, a computer in 2014 cost 60 thousand rubles. And how many now is not known at all.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 4 October 2015 14: 10 New
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        I agree with you. And the leader of a country like Stalin. Then the people will again be as they were under the Soviets. And then there will be no tasks that our country could not solve.
      3. a71
        a71 4 October 2015 16: 19 New
        +2
        I do not understand that everyone is attached to household appliances. Industrial equipment is much more profitable. Russia will put all its teeth on the shelf, and it will take over others if it starts to catch up with all sorts of intellects with Amedemos. While the nuclear industry, weapons,
        like agricultural products are pulling up, space, something else. They will come up with some kind of quantum processor or biorobot, or some kind of crap, which no one has, but everyone needs it, then scratch forward. New industrialization will not work, then people built a new world. Now people are proud, give them at least to slavery, they still will not work.
        1. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 4 October 2015 17: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: a71
          I do not understand that everyone is attached to household appliances.

          Big market, more than industrial
          Quote: a71
          They will come up with some kind of quantum processor or biorobot, or some kind of crap, which no one has, but everyone needs it, then scratch forward.

          Yeah, it's like waiting for the sea weather
          Quote: a71
          New industrialization will not work, then people built a new world.

          What prevents it from building now, the present world is even further from perfection in terms of human relationships that existed before 1991
      4. Vovan 73
        Vovan 73 5 October 2015 05: 31 New
        +2
        I agree with you colleague. At the same time, I would also like to note the fact that the production of consumer electronics in itself is not an end in itself. Many of the Uri-patriots do not understand one simple thing. A plant that produces mikruhu only for military purposes will always lose at a price. Since the cost of a very limited batch will contain all production costs from R&D to sn workers and especially top managers. That is why in the USSR, for example, the Berdsk Production Association "Vega" produced a large range of consumer electronics. since products of so-called consumer goods made it possible to substantially cover the costs of manufacturing military products. And accordingly, the conclusion. Oddly enough, but without a segment of civilian electronics .... we will not really launch the military
        1. Sura
          Sura 5 October 2015 18: 23 New
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          We have to do civilian, more expensive (one heating of the workshops adds not a weak overhead), it was not in vain that China chose (cheap labor, mostly women, and the workshops do not need heating, only ventilation).
          Our laptop and Chinese are exactly the same; Chinese will be cheaper and ours will lose.
          Breakthrough technologies remain, and theirs are just invented by industry and the military.
      5. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 20 October 2015 07: 38 New
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        a unique transparent LCD screen that does not have a rear reflective wall, like the analogues in the world. "
        Unfortunately, Samsung introduced in the spring, mirror and transparent screens and the resolution there is higher.
    2. sergeybulkin
      sergeybulkin 4 October 2015 11: 12 New
      +9
      We must move forward!
      For this we need only desire. Everything else is there.

      There is nothing! Nothing at all ... But what it is is just the pathetic attempts of hungry enthusiasts. It is necessary not to revive what was destroyed in the 90s, but to rebuild. In pre-perestroika times, we lagged behind advanced technologies in electronics by 20-30 years, and perestroika threw us back altogether in the 60s.
      We must buy the whole plants and build them on our territory, and while the plants are being built to train personnel i.e. build and vocational schools and technical schools suitable for the profile. But who will prepare these frames ??? Where are our physicists, electronics engineers, chemists, technologists, turners, milling machines, etc. etc. ??? How where - retired for a long time, at the dachas they plant potatoes ... Have you learned new ones? Oh well ... We need physicists, we primarily need bankers, economists, lawyers, merchandisers, and the like ...
      So, you will need so much money ... you can’t even imagine how much ... you don’t have to restore it, you have to rebuild it from scratch! Here, as an example, the history of the development of the electronic industry in Japan is suitable.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 4 October 2015 14: 12 New
        +6
        The country needs, like air, cardinal changes in the social system.
      2. user
        user 4 October 2015 21: 44 New
        +4
        We must buy the whole plants and build them on our territory,


        I want to upset you, they will never sell anything to us at the modern (well, if you want advanced) level of technology (namely in the field of microelectronics, alas, at one time it was also involved in this field). During the USSR, there was a restriction on COCOM, now cross patent law and much more. If you agree with the manufacturer and open credit lines for the proposed project, the little-known, general public, organization from the United States, which ensures that advanced technologies do not fall into the wrong hands, will put an end to this. I remember one of the world's leading manufacturers of communication equipment (from Sweden) launched, for the Olympics 80, modern telephone exchanges in Moscow went bankrupt. Moreover, the history of this forced bankruptcy with the courts lasted for many years, with the courts and other matters, and most importantly with widespread media coverage. It would be a different lesson if we can do such grants that we can talk about the rest.
    3. Lelek
      Lelek 4 October 2015 12: 43 New
      0
      Quote: SOKOL777
      And faster to introduce into the industry, technology.


      That's it. In this we are lagging behind due to bureaucracy and inertia. The Chinese broke these two factors and burst forth. Need to break, break. yes
    4. War and Peace
      War and Peace 4 October 2015 12: 51 New
      +3
      Domestic manufacturers now occupy only 16% of the civilian microelectronics sector, this is quite small and creates obvious risks, the other day, Russian President Vladimir Putin admitted.

      Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/59301-deficit-otechestvennoy-mikroelektroniki-neset
      -dlya-strany-sereznye-ugrozy.html
      Politikus.ru


      in general, apart from the talk in the field of microelectronics, there is little that goes by, there are developments, developments, but the "owners of money", as Katasonov said, do not give money, the country's economy is bent, which was confirmed by Glazyev’s report at the economic forum, and the authorities, as the enemies stood, liberals are worth it, so waiting for changes, let alone breakouts, is not worth it. The incinerator does not need chairs; it is only interested in burning, not producing ...
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 4 October 2015 14: 14 New
        +1
        The "owners" of money, but simply thieves, must either be forced to work for the country or deprived of this money by returning them to a truly national economy.
    5. Vek
      Vek 4 October 2015 14: 19 New
      +1
      In my opinion: it is necessary to bring the profitability of our manufacturers to a more or less normal level for a start, my opinion, for this - you need to learn how to sell civilian equipment in order for money to appear for new developments for the military-industrial complex.
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      3. War and Peace
        War and Peace 4 October 2015 14: 28 New
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        Quote: vek
        In my opinion: it is necessary to bring the profitability of our manufacturers to a more or less normal level for a start, my opinion, for this - you need to learn how to sell civilian equipment in order for money to appear for new developments for the military-industrial complex.



        they don’t give money for work, there is no investment, the liberal government is the enemy of Russia ...


        1. Vek
          Vek 4 October 2015 16: 20 New
          +1
          "they don’t give money for work, there is no investment, the government of liberals is the enemies of Russia .."
          ... they don’t give money for work ....- uh ... I agree with you completely, there is such a defeatist position. a position that does not imply making money on your own, but only requiring this damned money from miners / grain growers / metallurgists. As I understand it: it’s convenient for many to say “they don’t give money, therefore the industry is in the shit” - it’s convenient.
        2. Vek
          Vek 4 October 2015 16: 26 New
          +1
          My purely personal opinion: do not like - criticize, criticize - offer.
          you, dear war and peace on this issue, in this article - in addition to criticism (and me) do not give anything.
      4. APASUS
        APASUS 4 October 2015 17: 11 New
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        Quote: vek
        In my opinion: it is necessary to bring the profitability of our manufacturers to a more or less normal level for a start, my opinion, for this - you need to learn how to sell civilian equipment in order for money to appear for new developments for the military-industrial complex.

        Since we live in the era of the market and the country is in dire need of its own electronics, the government should have already learned how to use the market tool. Free all newly opened (built in the field, not on paper) electronic industry enterprises from taxes for 20 years. Money like water will flow from all over the country to this sector of the economy.
        And I read about printed circuit boards based on polyimide film or polyethylene terephthalate 7-8 years ago, while I see that the Chinese have taken this topic seriously.
        1. Vek
          Vek 4 October 2015 17: 35 New
          0
          don't like it - criticize! criticize - offer! (I personally have a CHEAP offer, and you? Or did you take a defeatist position?)
          Ps Why am I not sleeping at almost one in the morning? Ah ... yes ... I remembered ..... - It's a shame for the state.
        2. Justme
          Justme 4 October 2015 17: 41 New
          +2
          Boards on polyimide or PET-e are now more than available.
          They launched one such a month ago.

          http://rezonit.ru/hightech/flex/index.php
          1. 4thParasinok
            4thParasinok 17 December 2015 02: 32 New
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            Quote: JustMe
            They launched one such a month ago.

            Are you working at Resonate?
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        4. Bayonet
          Bayonet 6 October 2015 11: 19 New
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          Quote: APASUS
          And I read about printed circuit boards based on polyimide film or polyethylene terephthalate 7-8 years ago

          On your photo there is a connecting cable based on a film, and the ordinary printed circuit board is fiberglass. Here is a flexible circuit board:
        5. 4thParasinok
          4thParasinok 17 December 2015 02: 21 New
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          Quote: APASUS
          Since we live in the era of the market and the country is in dire need of its own electronics, the government should have already learned how to use the market tool. Free all newly opened (built in the field, not on paper) electronic industry enterprises from taxes for 20 years. Money like water will flow from all over the country to this sector of the economy.

          “... so big, but we believe in fairy tales ...” 2 years ago, one member of the government said: “we don’t need to develop our production of microelectronics. We will develop, and the Chinese will produce for us. An example of the right approach is Yotophone. "
          By the way, Yotophone was sold to foreigners in September.
    6. Vek
      Vek 4 October 2015 14: 40 New
      +1
      My remark is this: comparing the microcontrollers of the ATMEL or PIC bourgeois company and the domestic (for example, 8-bit), we will see a huge difference between the "use cases" (appnote in the bourgeois version) available in the open and free access + the documentation availability (bourgeois datasheet)
    7. IAlex
      IAlex 4 October 2015 15: 45 New
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      For this we need only desire. Everything else is there.
      And faster to introduce into the industry, technology.


      So what personally bothers you?
      1. Vek
        Vek 4 October 2015 16: 37 New
        +1
        So what personally bothers you? [/ Quote]

        Do not consider it a lunge in your honor, but I would say "what you personally lack" and I could give a detailed answer already on this issue (or rather, compared to the global ATMEL or PIC brands compared to our domestic microcircuits)
      2. Vek
        Vek 4 October 2015 17: 50 New
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        So what personally bothers you? [/ Quote]

        Personally, it hinders me to implement that I work in an ABSOLUTELY other industry. But I would like to help as a "fresh mind", because I think a little in microelectronics
  2. Aleksandr2012
    Aleksandr2012 4 October 2015 01: 00 New
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    Until recently, our electronic industry was simply buried. Now something interesting has begun to appear, but this is an exception to the rule. I have not met modern complex electronic products made entirely on the domestic element base. You need to order in advance and wait until done.
    1. venaya
      venaya 4 October 2015 01: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr2012
      Our electronic industry until recently was simply buried. ... now a batch of ordinary domestic-made resistors needs to be ordered in advance and wait until done.

      And the production facilities (empty), and the personnel remaining from the past, while still there, I saw. What exactly is missing? I think you need to think together.
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 4 October 2015 06: 44 New
        +5
        You saw these "empty" AREAS .... Already sold and resold .. these are markets and shops, what you didn’t buy up, collapsed. Production needs to be re-created by organizing preferential platforms .. And grabs to graduate managers and lawyers from universities, we need specialists to production ..
        Quote: venaya
        Quote: Aleksandr2012
        Our electronic industry until recently was simply buried. ... now a batch of ordinary domestic-made resistors needs to be ordered in advance and wait until done.

        And the production facilities (empty), and the personnel remaining from the past, while still there, I saw. What exactly is missing? I think you need to think together.
        1. venaya
          venaya 4 October 2015 07: 13 New
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          Quote: dmi.pris
          You saw these "empty" AREAS .... Already sold and resold. ...

          Surely seen! Take, for example, the first in the union, the NGO Positron. Before the defeat, it was the largest scientific and production association in the world, producing almost half of the world output of electronic components, including the resistors mentioned here. Fortunately, they did not have time to sell the premises, they are used for warehouses. So sorry, not everything is lost. And if you look at the back streets too? I think your catastrophic moods are not fully justified.
    2. Platonich
      Platonich 4 October 2015 05: 25 New
      -2
      Well, what do you want. We were pushed back 20-25 years ago by our Pugtnegs!
      1. anip
        anip 4 October 2015 07: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: Platonitch
        We were pushed back 20-25 years ago by our Pugtnegs!

        Yes, Pantnegs. Or maybe, after all, the Russian rulers?
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 4 October 2015 09: 38 New
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          Who exactly do you mean?
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 4 October 2015 14: 15 New
        +1
        We were pushed by traitors in power.
  3. Throw
    Throw 4 October 2015 01: 31 New
    +4
    "Here an eye flies across the sky
    It is called GLONAS.
    And it would somehow
    On .. Europe pull! "

    Boards with monitors are, of course, good, but they need chips.
    Our chips ...
    1. Homo
      Homo 4 October 2015 01: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Lance
      Boards with monitors are, of course, good, but they need chips.
      Our chips ...

      The chips themselves are pretty good. Work is underway to improve and reduce the technical process. In terms of productivity and heat dissipation (if we compare analogues), ours are better than Western ones. A big problem with chip production lines.
      1. Throw
        Throw 4 October 2015 02: 00 New
        +3
        belay
        From this point on, pzhl is more specific.
        What does the improvement and reduction of the technical process mean and what is it?
        In the labs it may be, but in serial samples with transistors / nm we are half an order behind.
        And all the non-military pieces of iron on our chips are imported.
        1. Ilya77
          Ilya77 4 October 2015 09: 07 New
          +5
          Quote: Lance
          belay
          From this point on, pzhl is more specific.
          What does the improvement and reduction of the technical process mean and what is it?
          In the labs it may be, but in serial samples with transistors / nm we are half an order behind.
          And all the non-military pieces of iron on our chips are imported.

          I'm afraid to disappoint you - but most of the military, too.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 6 October 2015 11: 29 New
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          Quote: Lance
          And all the non-military pieces of iron on our chips are imported.

          I’ve just ordered between the Chinese on Ebay, heels of field workers IRF540n for 16 rubles each, because we already have 40 for sale. I will not say anything about the domestic analogue. hi
  4. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 4 October 2015 06: 03 New
    +2
    After all, both physics and mathematics were once at a great height. In 1985-1990, technologies appeared for 10-20 years overtaking the world's best achievements. But I know for sure exactly the case when the leading world company producing the largest small-scale circuits bought our company (in the early 90s), which made such a thing that was two generations ahead of their products. I bought and stopped the company. Shut up a competitor for a dozen lemons.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 4 October 2015 09: 35 New
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      If someone could do such things with us, then the Americans would simply take away these developments; Yeltsin and Mechenny were ready to give everything. Or they would have brought specialists to themselves and arranged for release at home. This is if we really had a chip for 2 generations ahead of the West. We were no longer competitors in the 90s. The point is to buy a plant and stop production? On the contrary, they hunt around the world for brains and technologies.
      1. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 17 December 2015 02: 41 New
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        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        If someone could do such things with us, then the Americans would simply take away these developments,

        So many took it. So one of the leaders in the development of Pentium-3 was our former comrade. Ours developed the Transmet processor, helped IBM in the development of their server processes, in a truncated form it stands on the Sony PS (in general, the penultimate model, I do not know their numbering, I do not use it).
        Continue?
  5. Alexy
    Alexy 4 October 2015 06: 20 New
    +2
    Yes, I agree, our electronics are in poor condition. But the fact that not everything is lost, not all the brains left in the silicone valley. We need a clear government policy for the development of domestic electronics.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 4 October 2015 08: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexy
      But the fact that not everything is lost, not all the brains left in the silicone valley. We need a clear government policy for the development of domestic electronics.

      Because they created the conditions for work there, and in Russia, apparently, the conditions for cutting
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 4 October 2015 09: 40 New
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        “And then tell him that they in England are stealing no less than ours!” - Gleb Zheglov, "The meeting place ..."
  6. 31rus
    31rus 4 October 2015 06: 35 New
    +3
    It seems that with the current funding there will be no maximum breakthrough that they will create to close demand in a narrow scope, besides, we are all waiting for a Western investor to invest and, as described above, only to remove a competitor or “slow down” development, it’s not so simple. while there are only slogans, but there are very few cases
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  8. Justme
    Justme 4 October 2015 08: 58 New
    +1
    Boards on a metal base - What problems?

    http://rezonit.ru/urgent/metal/index.php
  9. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 4 October 2015 09: 27 New
    +1
    In the 80s, we were 10 years behind microelectronics. For example, we had an American multichannel miracle, an oscilloscope stolen by scouts in the West, we could not dream of such a thing in the USSR. Now the elemental base is the same as in the states, on our dryers the same processors as on raptors.
    Of course they bought or stolen, but if there is an opportunity, then what is the problem?
    It is necessary to prepare for production not only what is produced all over the world in Malaysia or Thailand, but what will go into a series in 5 years and now it is only in laboratories. Only then will we catch up and overtake.
  10. Oldman
    Oldman 4 October 2015 10: 11 New
    +8
    He worked in microelectronics as a developer throughout his working life. I do not think that Russia under the embargo (as is familiar from the time of the Union!) Will be able to restore this industry to the proper level. The task is technically extremely complex and prohibitively expensive - one module (a workshop with a closed technological cycle) for the production of modern chips costs more than 1 billion green. In Russia, there is completely no production base for equipping such modules with precision optical-mechanical equipment, completely no production of ultra-pure materials, completely no production of modern measuring and testing equipment, etc., etc. I'm not talking about personnel - developers, technologists, engineers of various related specialties, highly skilled workers of hundreds of specialties, etc. And given that many dozens of such modules are needed - for different technologies, for different types of chips and other components, with different equipment, then I have reasonable doubts about the implementation of plans for the revival of Russian microelectronics.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 4 October 2015 13: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Oldman
      I do not think that Russia under the embargo (as is familiar from the time of the Union!) Will be able to restore this industry to the proper level.

      If it doesn’t recover, then over time in technological terms, it will be behind all developed countries and successes in nuclear technologies will not help. It is necessary to fork out, the later the more expensive and more difficult.
      1. Oldman
        Oldman 4 October 2015 14: 19 New
        +5
        Yes, that’s all right. However, under the conditions of sanctions, no one will sell the modules, and without them nothing will work. In Russia, there is no production of the necessary equipment, there is no ultra-pure chemistry and materials, the same silicon and so on. Everything is controlled by amers, they will not allow the sale of equipment and materials to Russia.
        True, there is one way out, but very ghostly. Involve Belarus in the procurement process for modules, rely on Integral, which still works in some way. In terms of optical-mechanical equipment, the Minsk “Planar” is still afloat, which today supplies to China, Korea and so on. Headstock should be thrown into Integral and Planar, modules and materials should be purchased, and in parallel, in tough (emergency, military, Stalinist) mode, Russia should establish production of special technological and measuring equipment, etc.
        1. TOR2
          TOR2 4 October 2015 18: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Oldman
          However, under the conditions of sanctions, no one will sell modules, and without them nothing will work

          We'll have to do our own, perhaps in small experimental batches. Here all the funds will be good. In Russia there are 5 large manufacturers such as the St. Petersburg NGO Svetlana.
          http://www.svetlanajsc.ru/ru/
          If desired, they will find money. Not so astronomical amounts needed.
          1. Oldman
            Oldman 4 October 2015 20: 55 New
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            You won’t be able to do yours, even experienced ones. The modules use a very complex, diverse robotic precision equipment, tied into a single technological cycle. Moreover, all this equipment can provide only a certain technological level. For example, the best modern level of Russia is 90 nanometers, while keep in mind that all modules are American, and the materials are delivered from abroad. And all this is sanctioned today! Americans today have 14 nanometers, i.e. Russia's lag almost seven times is infinity. In Soviet times, we lagged behind 2-3 times.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 October 2015 20: 37 New
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          ShVABE and KRET have already appeared all this - recently the Baikal microprocessor was presented, with the manufacturing technology of 24 nanometers, in 2016 it will establish its mass production.
          1. Oldman
            Oldman 4 October 2015 21: 10 New
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            I read about it. I do not know how Russia was able to purchase such a module - this is from the realm of fantasy. However, I am sure that there will not be a series, for the functioning of such a module requires sanctions material, but they will not be.
  11. Ale x
    Ale x 4 October 2015 10: 33 New
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    a unique transparent LCD screen that does not have a rear reflective wall, like the analogues in the world.

    Samsung seems to be doing it.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 4 October 2015 15: 01 New
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      Quote: Ale x
      a unique transparent LCD screen that does not have a rear reflective wall, like the analogues in the world.
      Samsung seems to be doing it.

      The LCD matrix itself is transparent, I don’t know what is so unique and unique in the world that they invented in the article? :-)
    2. IAlex
      IAlex 4 October 2015 15: 47 New
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      Go to the store, there are cheap Chinese phones with transparent screens lying on the shelves ...
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 6 October 2015 11: 40 New
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      Quote: Ale x
      Samsung seems to be doing it.

      Does.
  12. Vek
    Vek 4 October 2015 16: 50 New
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    in general, apart from the talk in the field of microelectronics, there is little that goes by, there are developments, developments, but the "owners of money", as Katasonov said, do not give money, the country's economy is bent, which was confirmed by Glazyev’s report at the economic forum, and the authorities, as the enemies stood, liberals are worth it, so waiting for changes, let alone breakouts, is not worth it. The incinerator does not need chairs, it is only interested in burning, not producing ..

    Yes, I agree ... The country's leadership is obliged to take into account all points of view, including such a WRONG point of view: “they say that we ourselves don’t give money either - we are such leaders and incapable bosses that we don’t know how to make money, we are ABSOLUTELY non-flexible, so select money from profitable gas workers and oil industry workers and give them to us - dumbasses (after all, we are production workers who cannot adapt from the 90s to new realities)
    1. Vek
      Vek 4 October 2015 17: 13 New
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      My suggestion: You need to use the tools that worked in PIC and ATMEL, or rather, use the sharpest edge of them - FULL APPLICATION: i.e. 1) the student wants to collect the radio control = please, on our website there is FULL information (datasheet) about the device of our microcircuit + on our offsite there is already a ready-made software solution and a ready-made recommended wiring of the board + ready-made component ratings
  13. gridasov
    gridasov 4 October 2015 19: 10 New
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    It is in the elemental base of electronic components that a cardinal breakthrough is possible. To begin with, that general solutions for constructing a circuit when creating electronic cards can be transformed from planar to volumetric or spatial. I will probably say "top-secret information" saying that electronic elements have spatial magnetic force processes in each of their components. Therefore, schemes of such electrical circuits, at any level of scale, can be built taking into account these processes. This will not only increase their quality factor, but also expand the range of not only security, but also the scale of effective work. And this I have not said about the conceptual novelty of new electronic components.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 October 2015 20: 40 New
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      Now in the first place is a decrease in energy consumption, heating and increased microprocessor performance
  14. gridasov
    gridasov 4 October 2015 21: 41 New
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    The issues of power consumption and effective operation of the transistor and processor in the future are very controversial. A transistor built on linear principles and the most modern in this number, can not be energy efficient based on the principle of their work. Therefore, performance criteria based on such basic elements as a transistor in the form that exist, cannot be considered at all. Moreover, the entire microprocessor can theoretically be embodied in one device, i.e., one transistor built on spatial multipolar principles. The operation of such a transistor is fully consistent with the principles of multi-valued logic, and not a binary function on-off.
  15. Mentat
    Mentat 5 October 2015 09: 49 New
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    Quote: a71
    Russia will put all its teeth on the shelf, and it will take over others if it starts to catch up with all sorts of intellects with Amedemos.

    Actually, I’ve almost caught up. Elbrus 8C has the same performance as the 6-core Intel processors in 2013. Moreover, at the technological standards of the generation before last. In other words, the potential for increasing the processor frequency is very high. As soon as the equipment for production at 28nm becomes available, our processors are almost equal to Intel.

    This is an incredible leap, few people talk about it, and they pour more mud. That is why.

    Elbrus is planned to be used primarily in the military-industrial complex and state structures.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 5 October 2015 12: 34 New
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      It is difficult to explain that the Elbrus also, in the basis, have an architecture built on binary logic. All! The limit of perfection is obvious! You can not infinitely reduce the processors and transistor. Is it really not visible that the decrease causes an increase in energy consumption. And not because the number of components is small or increasing, but because the energy density on microscopic parts increases and any unbalanced distribution of magnetic fluxes sharply increases the energy consumed. In addition, the very fundamental foundations in the form of a linear pulse transmission in a transistor and in the circuitry of constructing circuits are always limited possibilities. I remind you once again that space is voluminous, which means that we use only a small private solution in what methods we use in the accumulation and transmission of information. Moreover, it is impossible to build analysis on such an architecture. And we will continue to do this with the human brain