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"Delta Force"

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"Delta Force"According to the head of the Pentagon, Ashton Carter, one of the military successes of the American armed forces this year is to conduct a special operation in the province of Deir ez-Zor in eastern Syria by combat groups from Delta Force. As a result of the operation, a high-ranking functionary of the Islamic State, known as Abu Sayyaf, who oversaw the terrorist financial sector, was destroyed. In addition to him, several dozen militants were killed from the immediate environment and personal protection of Abu Sayyaf. The 24 fighter of the Delta took part in the operation. They were delivered to the site of the operation and then evacuated by UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter and Bell V-22 Osprey convertiplane.


FIRST BLUE


The Delta Special Forces Group was created in the image of the 22nd Regiment of the British Special Forces SAS (see the article "Special Forces in the Service of Her Majesty" in No. 29 NVO) in the late 70s. She received her baptism of fire in Operation Eagle Claw in April 1980, the purpose of which was to free the hostages held at the US Embassy in Tehran. The operation took place from the very beginning in an emergency and, as a result, did not end, its leader Beckwith (the creator of Delta) was forced to make a decision to evacuate without even making an attempt to free the hostages, which, however, in that situation was more than reasonable. Affected by the inconsistency of the actions of many authorities in one bundle. This is the case when the American "system of checks and balances" shows its harmfulness. Everything worked badly there: the CIA, the military aviation and special forces (rangers and Delta fighters). As a result, the Iranians got a lot of burned sides, more than a dozen corpses and three more serviceable helicopters. The first pancake was lumpy, and even what. We must pay tribute to the American command, conclusions were made. A special 160th Night Stalkers air regiment and separate air support units were created to carry out such operations. In addition, the United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) and the Joint Special Forces Command (JSOC) were created, whose task was to coordinate the actions of various departments involved in operations, and special forces were accordingly transferred to their subordination.

The next unsuccessful approach, the second in a row and in a series of special operations, and in a series of failures, for Delta happened in October of 1983. It was the very beginning of the American small victorious war in Grenada. The task of "Delta" was to seize the airfield and prepare it for the landing of the landing of the Rangers. It turned out that the armament of the Delta fighters did not correspond to the prevailing situation, their rifle weapon melee did not allow them to compete with Cuban soldiers armed with AK-47, defending the airfield. After landing, the Delto men were forced to occupy the perimeter defense and pray to God; Lockheed A-130 airplanes (flying artillery battery armed with two 20-mm automatic, one 40 or 45-mm gun and one 105-mm guns) and landing of green berets.

STRUCTURE AND PREPARATION


Recruiting, selecting and training Delta fighters roughly repeat the same methodology used by the CAS 22 regiment (United Kingdom). There is also some continuity in the structure. The commander and headquarters are necessary - where do without them (in the official documentation they are indicated by the letter D). The units of support, communications, information, logistics, research and other things in this spirit are combined into service with letter E. This also includes the medical service, Delta’s own intelligence service called “cheerful platoon”, because they don’t trust the intelligence agencies of other departments in Delta there is a reason. In the same structure, there is an aviation squadron that is equipped with AH-6 Little bird and MH-Hey Six helicopters (MH-60A is a modification of the UH-60 Black hawk helicopter) and was also created for the case when army pilots (from the 160 air regiment) will be powerless to complete the task. In the same structure, there is a unit responsible for organizing and providing combat training for the entire Delta, including command.

Combat units, or units, are designated by the letter F. In this part of the Delta structure, as well as in the CN 22 regiment, the main unit is a squadron, which includes (according to various sources) from four to six groups of 16 man in each. Only three (according to other data - four) combat squadron A, B, C (and possibly D). The specialization of the fighters on the environment in which they are ready to act, as well as the British: the sea, mountains, deserts, the Arctic zone, jungle, etc. Technical support and weapons correspond to the tasks performed in each specific operation. It makes no sense to list weapon models, because in addition to what is at the disposal of combat teams by state, there is always the possibility to choose a weapon that is optimally suitable for a specific task. I’ll say one thing so that the reader understands the situation: long-barreled and short-barreled small arms of Delta’s fighters are subject to individual refinement, which does not allow failures in extreme situations. There are no trifles there, the score goes in a very simple and capacious way, in which the main thing is to accomplish the combat mission, but ultimately it all comes down to a basic dilemma: survived — did not survive. In general, it can be said that the fighters of the Delta are armed more easily than their CAC colleagues, but they are not inferior to them in terms of training and combat capability. Hone martial skills are constantly, for this is used not only a special ground in Fort Bragg, but also other sites. A very important stage in the preparation of each special operation is to work out the actions of the combat groups on the mock-ups, which exactly repeat the object where the operation is to be carried out.

HUMAN FACTOR


But despite a thorough ongoing military training, during the operation, no, no, and the human factor works. One illustrative example is the task execution in Panama in December 1989. As part of the military operation Just Cause, Delta performed a separate task, which was given the name Acid Gambit. A team of 23 fighters carried out an operation of prestige, it was necessary to release from the Panamanian prison US citizen Kurt Muzy, who according to the American version was a businessman, according to the Panamanians - a CIA agent. The ill-conceived progress of the operation to the smallest detail entailed a number of errors, which nearly led to the disruption of the task. During the operation, only by lucky one of the Delta team did not die. After the landing on the roof of the prison building where the operation object was contained, it was necessary to open the passage with an explosive device in order to enter the building. Miner made a mistake, the explosive element attached to the metal door fell off at the last moment, the electrical circuit was broken, the device did not work, and was lucky. If it worked, then the door would not have been opened, and because of the explosion, the surprise factor would have been missed. Then, risking his life, the miner repeated the installation of the same non-working device and made the door exploded - lucky a second time. After the release of Kurt Muse, it turned out that there was no place for him on any of the four Little bird helicopters participating in the operation. Therefore, the side on which the liberated ship was loaded was overloaded, and - as a result - the helicopter could not take off normally. He simply pulled away from the roof of the prison and immediately “fell aside”, lost height, and flew for some time no more than a meter above the ground along the street adjacent to the prison. At the same time, the prison guards and guardsmen of the Panamanian President Noriega, whose residence was not far away, fired from small arms at this helicopter. At this time, the other three helicopters with fighters from the same group flew off quietly, without supporting their comrades. Then the helicopter, which came under fire, landed hard, two Delta fighters were seriously injured, one was wounded by a bullet in the chest, in these conditions a small group was forced to accept an unequal battle. The operation was on the verge of collapse, there was no connection, the ammunition ended. They were lucky for the third time - by the rangers, the American command launched an assault on the Noriega residence, which saved the Delta and the US prestige from certain death, as the task was nevertheless completed and Kert Muse was rescued (the latter was lucky, he wasn’t no scratches).

On account of this unit many successful operations. In March 1981, Delta fighters released an Indonesian plane in Bangkok, which was hijacked with passengers by a group of four terrorists. On Delta’s account, there are still a few released airliners: in 1984, the Kuwaiti airline, in 1985, they stormed the board of the TWA airline in Cyprus. In 1991, a task force took part in the destruction of the SCUD tactical missile launchers in Iraq during Operation Desert Storm. In 2001, the special forces did a good job in Afghanistan during Operation Enduring Freedom, their task was to snip the heads of the Taliban movement. And, of course, one cannot fail to mention the participation of Delta in the events of Operation Iraqi Freedom in the spring of 2003. Special forces groups effectively carried out sabotage and reconnaissance work in the deep rear of the enemy. He is also credited with detaining Saddam Hussein and the destruction of his sons Udei and Qusei in Mosul. It was in this operation that the teams of the Delta and the British CAC very successfully interacted.

Among the most notorious failures is the operation Gothic Serpent in October 1993 of the year in Somalia. The task of the Delta fighters was to capture General Mohammed Aidid and his henchmen. Most likely the mistakes were already made during the planning of this operation due to the inaccuracy of the intelligence. In the course of the actions, the human factor was added to the command errors, the fighters from the Delta squad and the rangers were surrounded, took an unequal battle and found themselves under heavy enemy rifle fire. But, we must pay tribute to them, fought valiantly and staged a real meat grinder in a densely populated area of ​​Mogadishu, more than a thousand jihadists were killed. When it was all over, it turned out that with insignificant losses in the military equipment, 18 special forces were killed. Among the dead were five Delta fighters, the triumphant militants were dragging the corpse of one of them on a rope through the dusty streets of Mogadishu.

AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ


In Afghanistan, from 1 to 4, March 2002, during Operation Anaconda Delta, conducted reconnaissance in the interests of the Alliance forces in the Shahikot valley near Gardez. At first, due to a poorly organized “friend – foe” alert, one of the groups came under the blow of its own aviation. The aircraft of the alliance could not carry out high-quality fire training and further support of their troops from the air. The concealment factor was missed, the rest of the Special Forces groups, which were advancing deep into the valley, found themselves under cross-machine-gun fire of the enemy, and an unequal battle ensued. Nearby were the forces of the Afghan army, but they did not support the special forces. On the same day, a landing force arrived in six transport and combat helicopters Chinook, which also fell under the dagger fire of the Mujahideen machine guns, was landed in the eastern and northern parts of the valley. The assault force was pressed to the ground, and it would have been difficult for it, if the intelligence officers, who also had hard times, did not correct the actions of support aviation. By the way, in the course of this battle, the sniper groups performed well, successful shots were made at distances of 2300 and 2400. The next landing, which included mortar calculations, conducted on March 3. The hottest battle was in the area of ​​Mount Takur-Gar. Evacuation of the assault force and reconnaissance forces was organized by the end of March 4. Losses among the alliance soldiers were not so great: 8 dead, about 80 injured - one might say, lucky. In that battle, there were dead among the Delta fighters.

At the end of February 2006 in Iraq, in the city of Ramadi, the Delta fighting groups conducted an operation to search for and destroy the leader of the radical Islamist organization Al-Tawhid Val-Jihad, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, during which the special forces received unreliable intelligence on location of the object of search: in one of the buildings indicated by the intelligence, instead of the desired leader of the jihadists, an ambush was waiting for them. Killed six fighters "Delta". Al-Zarqawi succeeded in destroying it after three months. The house, in which, according to the “merry platoon” (Delta’s intelligence), was the Iraqi terrorist number one, was struck off the face of the earth by an air strike.

ELITE


The American special forces are able to draw conclusions from their mistakes. "Delta Force" is one of the most combat-ready units in the world and, of course, one of the most secret. Fighters of the Delta, as a rule, do not wear uniforms, their appearance does not indicate that they belong to the military department. Sometimes they happen to wear camouflage, but without distinctive signs on it. Their names, ranks, and track record - everything related to their personality - is a military secret.
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  1. aleks_29296
    aleks_29296 4 October 2015 00: 36 New
    -1
    Well done, of course, guys, but only the Russians are better at it. Maybe not because you are bad, but because the Russians have a clear, not double goal, as your politicians dictate.
    1. captain
      captain 4 October 2015 11: 01 New
      +5
      We must pay tribute to the Americans. We were able to create a separate command for carrying out special operations. We gathered all the necessary forces and means into one structure. They have very good fire support. For example ru.wikipedia.org ›Lockheed C-130 Hercules.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 4 October 2015 11: 06 New
        +7
        Quote: captain
        For example ru.wikipedia.org ›Lockheed C-130 Hercules.

        Refer to Wikipedia - bad sign negative Look better at Military Review, there were some rather interesting articles about Ganship.
      2. avt
        avt 4 October 2015 11: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: captain
        . They have very good fire support. For example ru.wikipedia.org ›Lockheed C-130 Hercules.

        Quote: Bongo
        Refer to Wikipedia - bad sign

        Yeah . Actually, “ganship” was originally intended for counter-guerrilla actions since the time of Vietnam’s homemade products. They had much more interesting samples that they burned the MH-53J in the Iraqi desert, it seems, well, with a refueling bar and night bells and whistles. Why in the article not described .... Ah! Well I forgot! At the movie, which the author describes, they were not there, only the average ,, Hog "was shot down. laughing
      3. Altona
        Altona 4 October 2015 11: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: captain
        They gathered all the necessary forces and means into one structure.

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        Lockheed to do with it? The Marine Corps and the US Army pay great attention to the proper firing and maintaining firepower to suppress the enemy ... It's like an axiom ... By all means and means ...
    2. Altona
      Altona 4 October 2015 11: 55 New
      -1
      Quote: aleks_29296
      Well done, of course, guys, but only the Russians are better at it.

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      Russian special forces at the competition marked all the special forces of the world ...
      1. Kilo-11
        Kilo-11 4 October 2015 13: 10 New
        +4
        All sorts of competitions / biathlon / this is just a competition and from the show part, actions in a real combat situation are completely different.
    3. Aqela
      Aqela 4 October 2015 15: 40 New
      +2
      In terms of the fact that ours is steeper, I think I’ll agree, but underestimate the amers, too, is not necessary. In addition, if you recall how many advanced developments and successful finds in terms of tactics and training of special forces over the past 150 years have been safely buried ... We don’t have much to brag about.
  2. Raider
    Raider 4 October 2015 01: 06 New
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    In childhood, I remember the movie "Delta Squad" on jammed video cassettes, at that time it seemed cool.
    1. avt
      avt 4 October 2015 08: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Raider
      In childhood, I remember the movie "Delta Squad" on jammed video cassettes, at that time it seemed cool.

      Is it with Chuck Noris? Where is he, after all, from Uzi and through the struggle the trough beats!? Yes - the propaganda is noble and seems two-part. laughing : A liquid article, however, a kind of panegyric, invincible, "and the campaign author based on the kin wrote, well, about a shot down helicopter. Here, directly wrote off pictures from there --- ,, In the course of actions, the human factor was added to the command errors, soldiers from the detachment "Delta" and the rangers were surrounded, took an unequal battle and were under heavy enemy fire. But, we must pay tribute to them, they fought valiantly and built a real meat grinder in the densely populated area of ​​Mogadishu, more than a thousand jihadists were killed. that with insignificant losses in military equipment 18 commandos were killed. Among the dead were five Delta fighters, the corpse of one of them triumphant militants dragged on a rope along the dusty streets of Mogadishu. " laughing
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 October 2015 01: 15 New
    +6
    Raider SU Today, 01: 06 New
    In childhood, I remember the movie "Delta Squad" on jammed video cassettes, at that time it seemed cool.


    The keyword "seemed."
    Hollywood from g.vna can make candy, this they do not take away.
    But how much they are so “cool” these deltovtsy speaks for itself, available on media infa.
    Even in this article, it’s clear that they’re not so cool. And that proverb about the dancer and something interfering with him, a clear example of this.
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 4 October 2015 06: 36 New
      +1
      Excerpt from the text: "... Specialization of the fighters in the environment in which they are ready to act, as well as the British: the sea, mountains, deserts, the Arctic zone, the jungle, etc."

      And our specialists and troops are sharpened to act in any conditions and at any time, anywhere. Many of our operations in any conflict are unique in nature, content and results.
      So, the concept of "universal soldier" is worth referring to us, to our training methodology and experience.

      So, no matter how hard the “Hollywood show-offs” try, but against the Russians they can only compete in films.
      Someone here on the forum said the truth - a beautiful wrapper and advertising - that’s the whole point. When did they (the American army and specialists) show themselves for the last time in an open combined arms battle, even with an equal enemy?
      And the fear of us in their subcortex of the brain and at the genetic level should already be in place.
      At one time in Bosnia, the Former Yugoslavia, I had to talk with the American troops and specialists. In my opinion - not impressed! The content failed.
  4. B- 3ACADE
    B- 3ACADE 4 October 2015 03: 31 New
    +3
    What Delta which force. There is more farce than force. Solid
    flies. They study. Yes, all countries in the world had more or less professional
    Special Forces units. Americans created the most, but they were so bursting
    from pride and importance that they could not resist and burst-cracked all over
    world.AAAA we are the most, the most.And as for the case then the suckers are ponty. Usama Benya Laden was taken ashamed, they are silent and they will follow the participants if they
    memoirs are painted. Type in the search for the movie "Delta Farce" with rednek Lari
    this comedy is more like the truth.
    1. avt
      avt 4 October 2015 12: 11 New
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      Quote: B- 3ACADE
      .Yes all countries in the world had more or less professional
      Special Forces units. Americans created the most, but they were so bursting
      from pride and importance that they could not resist and burst-cracked all over
      world.AAAA we are the most, the most

      Well, for the sake of justice - ,, green berets "were initially sharpened correctly. Well, ,, Charlie's Angels" ........ hell knows what Beckwith wanted, but just after an internship in SAS, decide to show off with ,, black berets "and PR there was initially over the edge.
      Quote: B- 3ACADE
      .And as to business then suckers-ponty.

      the Iraqi epic with THROUGH abandoned in the desert with the MN-53 equipment went to the prok, "went" - in Somalia, the turntables lost only those shot down. laughing
      Quote: B- 3ACADE
      .Usama Benya Laden was taken shamed

      Well, there seems to have pinned SEAL, its team, or rather helicopter pilots from support.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 4 October 2015 22: 46 New
        0
        Iraqi epic THROUGH in the desert WHOLE with MN-53 equipment


        Iranian epic hi
  5. 31rus
    31rus 4 October 2015 05: 57 New
    +2
    And yet, the enemy should not be underestimated, by the way, a mistake came out with Ben Ladan, and he was very hyped, I think our people know how to counter this Delta
  6. Fox
    Fox 4 October 2015 08: 01 New
    +1
    there were Cuban BUILDERS in Grenada !!! and not soldiers. Weapons were taken from the Norwegians who threw it, and with this they wrinkled mattresses.
    1. Kilo-11
      Kilo-11 4 October 2015 13: 24 New
      +1
      The head of Grenada was M. Bishop, at the time of the disembarkation of the US Armed Forces he was already killed by the Grenadian military and the island Republic was already led by General H. Ostin. M. Norga was the President of Panama, it was a different story.
  7. moskowit
    moskowit 4 October 2015 08: 23 New
    0
    Soon it will be necessary to expect the release of the film from the series "Delta Squad" ... It is a pity that Chuck Norris is old. Well, nothing, they will find a hero ...
  8. Bongo
    Bongo 4 October 2015 10: 24 New
    +3
    After landing, the Deltovtsy were forced to take a circular defense and pray to God, they were saved from destruction by air support from airplanes Lockheed A-130 (flying artillery battery armed with two 20-mm automatic, one 40 or 45-mm rapid-fire and one 105-mm guns) and the landing of green berets.

    After that I realized - you can not read further. negative But he overpowered himself and read to the end. no As a result, he was convinced that he had lost his time in vain.
    1. captain
      captain 4 October 2015 11: 05 New
      0
      Dear Bongo, the author indicated the exact armament of one of the aircraft, fire support, Special Operations Forces, and the fact that you did not know about this is not very scary, apparently you did not have to serve in certain structures. en.wikipedia.org ›Lockheed C-130 Hercules.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 4 October 2015 11: 11 New
        +5
        Quote: captain
        Dear Bongo, the author indicated the exact armament of one of the aircraft, fire support, Special Operations Forces, and the fact that you did not know about this is not very scary, apparently you did not have to serve in certain structures. en.wikipedia.org ›Lockheed C-130 Hercules.

        Dear captain, you are certainly right, I really did not serve in Delta Force. But if the author does not know the designation and composition of the AC-130 weapons and at the same time takes up writing an article on this subject, then I personally do not find this.
      2. Kilo-11
        Kilo-11 4 October 2015 13: 34 New
        +4
        As part of the armament of aircraft of the AS-130 series, there are no guns with a caliber of 45 mm - AS-130N: 2-20 mm; 1-40 mm; 1-105 mm. AS-130U: 1-25 mm; 1-40 mm; 1-105 The 45 mm caliber artillery systems are not in principle in service with the US Armed Forces, it’s not the American caliber, so to speak. In general, the idea of ​​such aircraft as the AC-130 is good, it’s a pity that we don’t have such machines, although there is a platform for creating such an aircraft -12.
    2. avt
      avt 4 October 2015 11: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Bongo
      in Lockheed A-130 (flying artillery battery, armed with two 20-mm automatic, one 40 or 45-mm quick-firing and one 105-mm guns) and the landing of green berets.

      laughing Not . Well this is normal - ,, Givi! Skolko budet 2x2? Fri! Yes, somewhere like this Pyat - Shest, well, no more .. " laughing And what is typical - you can write an article and even WIKIPEDIA DO NOT LOOK! laughing
  9. korol yasheriz
    korol yasheriz 4 October 2015 11: 47 New
    +4
    They are credited with the merit in the detention of Saddam Hussein and the destruction of his sons Uday and Kusei in Mosul. It was in this operation that the Delta and British SAS units interacted very successfully

    As I understand it, the “successful interaction” was that they simply did not interfere with the CAC to do its job laughing
  10. kenig1
    kenig1 4 October 2015 14: 01 New
    0
    A couple of years ago they showed a documentary about special forces. operations. Mentioned the "Delta" in negative tones, even in the US this group is considered the most promoted and failed.
  11. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 4 October 2015 14: 19 New
    +3
    Never consider an adversary dumber and weaker than yourself, at least as long as he is alive!

    The US population is 318 million. The number of Deltas is 4 x 4 x 16 = 256 bayonets plus headquarters, communications, intelligence, etc. If the Americans want, they can choose, train and provide all the necessary 300-400 elite soldiers.
  12. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 4 October 2015 15: 08 New
    0
    the special forces that do not know victories - this is about them - I don’t remember where I heard ........ and then pathos - pathos ......... toilet paper will end and go into captivity))))) I’ll exaggerate clearly the meaning is that))))
  13. kplayer
    kplayer 4 October 2015 16: 20 New
    +2
    Yes, a normal article in the English-language Wiki about the AS-130 with a description of weapons and avionics, provides air wings (regiments) and squadrons equipped with them, at a length of 29 units. in modifications of U and W, "Creepy 2" (Spooky II) and "Sting 2" (Stinger II), respectively, one - J "Ghost Hunter" (Ghostrider).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130
    By the way, I did not hear about pathos and show-offs, except for Hollywood. But in the am.army itself they do not like the elite "green berets" and Delta, because of the requests of the Primadonna for support and resources, because they often require air and fire support, or the support of paratroopers and rangers, they do not like to be in the field and in isolated districts for a long time, in isolation from the main forces. Therefore, the rangers, previously engaged in military raid and assault operations and military intelligence in the interests of the army corps, were included in the SOCOM, retrofitted with portable mortars, AGS, ATGMs and recoilless recovers (RPGs). For comparison, if necessary, the British 22nd SAS regiment uses this weapon independently, forming operational units (2-3 platoons of 16 people each) to isolate the operation area.
    Combat units, or units, are indicated by the letter F.

    The letter "D".
  14. IAlex
    IAlex 4 October 2015 16: 52 New
    +2
    According to Pentagon chief Ashton Carter, one of the military successes of the American armed forces this year is to conduct a special operation in the province of Deir ez Zor in eastern Syria by combat groups from the Delta Force. As a result of the operation, a senior official of the Islamic State, known as Abu Sayyaf, who oversaw the terrorist financial sector, was destroyed


    After these words I did not read further. If we take into account that for such an operation data should be collected on finding the target, information about the enemy, strict time frames and corridors of the target’s movement, prepared plans for abandonment and retreat using a huge amount of resources synchronized by resources and time, and add to everything else, the fact that the US is quietly bombing hospitals with civilians and have a huge amount of technical means of precise guidance and complete freedom of action in everything. Having a gunner and target data for the next 15 minutes is easier, cheaper, and more guaranteed to use only one attack aircraft with a guided bomb than to fence this whole garden. T.ch. just common sense tells us that their Delta is just a populist bullshit, because if they had stolen a financier, I would have believed the expediency of what was happening, and if they went to wet it, it's just nonsense ...
  15. Megatron
    Megatron 4 October 2015 17: 17 New
    -2
    I don’t know, even if they are against all kinds of mujahideen and popuids, they act, to put it mildly, with varying success, what can we say about countering the army personnel, or even more so the special forces and especially ours.
    The same operation, better known as Black Hawk Down, is a blatant failure. (I don’t know where they counted as many as 1000 bearded men killed, apparently like Suvorov, write more that they feel sorry for their Busurman, wrote to Catherine about the losses of the Turks, which, however, almost belittles his talents). And they were opposed not by the army, but by the local "police", those dushmans with difficulty knowing which side to hold on to the machine gun, so there is no great honor.

    Since this is a real fact, I think it’s no secret to anyone that the vaunted SAS also acted in Afghanistan, but when they received information that our Special Forces and Special Forces would work, they cowardly pressed their British tails and sat in Pakistan, already abroad, so that God forbid, do not enter into combat contact with our specialists and avoid losses.

    So everything is Amer’s, it’s expensive, it looks solid and very PR, and it’s suitable to fight only with a deliberately weaker penetrator, but it rattles spectacularly.

    As an example, I’ll cite another almost historical fact that when only 200 of our paratroopers captured the Slatina airfield, an approaching British armored column refused to open fire on them, despite the direct order of the American NATO commander and immediate supervisor General Jackson. The soldiers did not do this even under the threat of a tribunal, apparently immediately understood how they would burn in their boxes.
  16. gladcu2
    gladcu2 5 October 2015 13: 39 New
    +1
    Megatron

    You give the wrong settings a little.

    Any special forces and any military unit must act against a deliberately weak supporter and this is what it is necessary to achieve during planning.

    Well and it was over SAS acted reasonably avoiding contacts. I don’t think you can blame someone for cowardice. And even more so in stupidity.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 5 October 2015 17: 31 New
      -1
      I don’t know what you learned from my words, but I wanted to say that since the success of completely ambiguous operations even against poorly trained Papuans, then against a more powerful enemy, or even more so our army or special forces, causes extreme doubts.

      Well, they took Razz away, so they understood that they simply could not complete the task. And I don’t remember that our Special Forces didn’t fulfill any task. The same storming of the Nord-Ost on Dubrovka, went down in world history as simply unparalleled. Even Mossad admired him.
  17. kplayer
    kplayer 5 October 2015 15: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: ivanovbg
    The numerical strength of the Delta is 4 x 4 x 16 = 256 bayonets plus headquarters, communications, reconnaissance, etc. If the Americans want, they can choose, train and provide with everything necessary 300-400 elite soldiers.

    The elites in the SOCOM and JSOC (sub-command) mentioned in the article are slightly larger, from the army, air force, navy and marines:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/US_Special_Operations_Comman
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    Quote: Megatron
    The same operation, better known as Black Hawk Down ...

    Black Hawk Down - what kind of operation is this? not otherwise a movie.
    Quote: Megatron
    ... an approaching British armored column refused to open fire on them, despite the direct order of the American NATO commander ...

    Pristina airport Slatina, the British had an order to open fire, if the Russians would stop them from occupying the airport, the bluff was short-lived, but this has nothing to do with special troops.
    Quote: Megatron
    ... cowardly pursed their British tails and sat out in Pakistan ...

    The commandment of any reconnaissance and sabotage unit in the World is secrecy, secrecy and no evidence of presence, to avoid unwanted contacts, especially fire.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 5 October 2015 17: 42 New
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      Black Hawk Down - what kind of operation is this? not otherwise a movie.

      Simply, if I start a conversation about Mogadishu, I think not everyone here will understand what is at stake, although the military site, as well, indicated more clearly, we can say so.

      Pristina airport Slatina, the British had an order to open fire, if the Russians would stop them from occupying the airport, the bluff was short-lived, but this has nothing to do with special troops.

      And it was so, ours opened access to them only when our fight-drunk had all the gains that had already been conquered, Russia as a result did not receive its sector of responsibility, and they began to use the airport “on a joint” basis. And there Yunus-Bek Evkurov acted there, together with the GRU special forces. Most of the details are still classified.
      The commandment of any reconnaissance and sabotage unit in the World is secrecy, secrecy and no evidence of presence, to avoid unwanted contacts, especially fire.

      The commandment of ANY military unit is, first of all, to FULFILL the order, and when under the brand of secrecy, secrecy or objectionability the order is not executed, it is more like a fox and green grapes.
  18. kplayer
    kplayer 5 October 2015 19: 03 New
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    Quote: Megatron
    Simply, if I start a conversation about Mogadishu, I think not everyone here will understand what is at stake, although the military site, as well, indicated more clearly, we can say so.

    You can, cg, Makhu for Lyakha, we continue on the military specialization of the site without cinema - So what was the name of the operation in Mogadishu in October 93rd? Black Hawk Down ?! (you can not answer already)
    Quote: Megatron
    The commandment of ANY military unit is, first of all, to FULFILL the order, and when under the mark of secrecy, secrecy or objectionable order is not executed

    Julia, please! Well so about what orders, whether the outstanding orders for the British CAC in Afghanistan are, enlighten, not otherwise than to destroy or captivate a group of Russian special forces, huh?

    By the way, the Papuans for your highly trained just something arrogance, who? residents of Afghanistan, Vietnam, Yemen, Somalia?
    Intelligence and sabotage units, by definition, are intended for guerrilla and counterguerrilla actions, but this is a discovery for you along the way, as these same guerrillas are hired and very seasoned, with many years of experience, while locals simply grow up with punks with AK, and those and others, as usual, are far from nobility. Underestimating the enemy - the same rake.
  19. Megatron
    Megatron 5 October 2015 19: 15 New
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    It’s possible, c.G., to Makh for Poles,

    (you can not answer already)

    Julia, please!

    Is it possible or impossible? Or have jokes of self-savvy already been used? And talking on the principle of sam-dyrak, not in my rules.

    Well so about what orders, whether the outstanding orders for the British CAC in Afghanistan are, enlighten, not otherwise than to destroy or captivate a group of Russian special forces, huh?


    One question is dumber than another. I was not their commander and did not give them orders. And what does "underestimation" have to do with it?
    If it is declared that the unit can fulfill any order, but in reality it is only visible either low efficiency, or even a complete refusal to use it. How to explain this?
  20. kplayer
    kplayer 5 October 2015 20: 09 New
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    Quote: Megatron
    And talking on the principle of sam-dyrak, not in my rules.

    Tady and do not include a fool and not Julia! The question of Somalia has long been out of the category of "fool", did you have to answer another post back or for the first time, Fershtein? And whom would I understand in the rules and charters.
    Quote: Megatron
    And what does "underestimation" have to do with it?

    What, too thin connection? :
    Quote: kplayer
    By the way, the Papuans for your highly trained just something arrogance, who? residents of Afghanistan, Vietnam, Yemen, Somalia?
    Intelligence and sabotage units, by definition, are intended for guerrilla and counterguerrilla actions, but this is a discovery for you along the way, as these same guerrillas are hired and very seasoned, with many years of experience, while locals simply grow up with punks with AK, and those and others, as usual, are far from nobility. Underestimating the enemy - the same rake.

    Do I communicate with the Papuans? The sequence and subject matter of the discussion is “full zero”. "Mixed into a bunch ..." (c)
    He was told about elementary rules of spy reconnaissance groups, he told me about orders, and what kind of orders were he asked? he - "I was not their commander and did not give them orders", and here:
    Quote: Megatron
    If it is declared that the unit can fulfill any order, but in reality it is only visible either low efficiency, or even a complete refusal to use it. How to explain this?

    Where does the knowledge of low performance (sports what?) And the refusal to execute orders come from if he was not the CAC commander in Pakistan in the 80s?
  21. Kerch
    Kerch 20 October 2015 12: 50 New
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    So whose kung fu is better?
  22. Dad Uassia
    Dad Uassia 2 November 2015 13: 32 New
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    SEAL will be more effective than Delta.
  23. Alf
    Alf 8 January 2016 18: 16 New
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    The delta office is, of course, hoo, but you should read the article "Special Forces that do not know victories" on this site.