Ship malevolent masochists

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Ship malevolent masochists


Ukraine is the birthplace of masochists. Not only because the writer Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, a famous researcher of this ambiguous phenomenon, was born and lived there (in Lviv there is even a plaque on his house, and there is a small museum in it), which colorfully described all this indecency in many of his works, including in the novel "Venus in Furs". But also because rarely where there are so many statesmen - politicians and military leaders, who can and willingly loosen the old sovereign wounds, feel special pleasure from beating their unfortunate country with heavy whips and without any personal gain it’s ridiculous to put it in front of the world by the public in an unsightly, if not more harsh, light. And that's what happened.

BROKEN FROM STATE OF PIECES

Vice-Admiral Sergei Haiduk, commander of the country's naval forces, told the Fleet of Ukraine newspaper that Kiev is going to sell the unfinished Ukraine-launched missile cruiser, which is supporting the quay wall of the Nikolaev Communist 61 Shipyard. The admiral said: “The cruiser“ Ukraine ”is the price of the construction of the state, the yogi will be realized, and the nightmare of the real ships will be on ships and ships”. Translated into Russian, it sounds like this: "The cruiser" Ukraine "is a piece broken off from the state, it will be sold, and the proceeds from its implementation will be spent on building new ships and boats."

Calling the missile cruiser “a piece broken off from the state” for the admiral is well worth it. But let's not find fault with the kind of vocabulary of the foreign "sea wolf". In the end, he speaks as he thinks. And he thinks - as he says.

But what is this “broken piece” - the cruiser “Ukraine”? For those who are not in the subject, I will explain. The above-named ship, which bore the name "Admiral" "in girlhood" fleet Lobov ”, belongs to a series of its own, as they say in the West, sistersheep - cruisers of the project 1164 class“ Atlant ”. The leader among them was the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet missile cruiser "Moscow" (the first name is "Glory"). The Russian Navy has two more such ships - the flagship of the Pacific Fleet missile cruiser Varyag and the missile cruiser Northern Fleet Marshal Ustinov.

Lobov, like his brothers, was supposed to carry on his 16 aboard the P-500 anti-ship supersonic cruise missiles P-550 "Basalt" with a range of 64 km and the ability to be equipped with a nuclear warhead (therefore these ships were often called aircraft carrier killers). It also planned to deploy 300 anti-aircraft missiles of the Fort complex (the analog of the ground C-144), two Osa-M medium-range missile complexes, 6000 missiles of the two complexes of the missile-bomb device RBU-130, torpedo and artillery armament (two five-pipe torpedo tubes, one 30 mm gun and six 630 mm AK-75М guns). None of these weapons on the "Ukraine", ready, according to various estimates and statements by official Ukrainian persons, could not be established on 80 – 96 – XNUMX%.

In fact, the fate of the cruiser "Ukraine" in some of its details recalls history with the Mistral helicopter-docks ordered by Russia from France. But if the happy fate of the Mistral was hindered by the desire of French President Francois Hollande to please his overseas partners and NATO allies, then in the history of the cruiser Ukraine, so characteristic of the short history of the new state on the western border of our country was the utter lack of thought of its politicians and their frank greediness and exorbitant greed.

The Admiral of the Lobov fleet stood on the completion of the Nikolaev factory in those sad days when the Soviet Union collapsed. According to the agreement between the three leaders of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, everything that remained in their countries after a divorce from the USSR should belong to the state where it was at that moment. The fate of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea was decided later. And the last in the series of an unfinished 1164 missile cruiser suddenly became Ukrainian. Kiev, by and large, was not needed under any weather conditions.

First of all, Ukraine did not have a sufficient number of specialists ready to fly and operate such a ship. Secondly, for him there was no berthing infrastructure and the required number of escort ships — three or four frigates and a corvette. And, thirdly - and this is the decisive factor - practically all the weapons intended for this cruiser were made at Russian defense enterprises. The main shock force of “Lobov” - the anti-ship missile system “Basalt”, under which missile shafts and other equipment were installed, shoots, as we already know, at 550 km. And according to international rules, only missiles with a range of not more than 1991 km can be delivered abroad (after 300, Ukraine became Russia abroad). Without the "Basalt" a cruiser, like a man without ... (well, you know without what) is a hopeless disabled person who is not capable of using what is called, for its intended purpose.

AIR TRADE

To sell such a ship to any country - to China or India, ready, in theory, to buy such a cruiser, is also impossible. Nobody needs him without Basalt. And to create a new rocket for existing mines with a range of up to 300 km, as, for example, Moscow and Delhi did with the Onyx anti-ship missiles, which was jointly called the BrahMos, no one was going. Probably because the game was not worth the candle - it was too expensive.

Russia was ready to buy an unfinished Lobov at the beginning of the 90s of the last century. Since at that time neither she nor Kiev had any money, the Moscow proposal sounded like this: you are completing a cruiser, we take it from you on account of the debt that has accumulated for the gas delivered to the country. But Ukraine did not accept this option. For the gas supplied, she finally agreed to give the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet "Moscow", who had been repaired in the Nikolaevsky plant 61 of Communard, and demanded currency for Lobova. And the cost stated such that there was nothing to talk about right away. In addition, at that time, in the main headquarters of the Navy, as well as in the Russian Ministry of Defense, they also did not very well imagine why they needed this ship. In the Pacific there is one, in the Northern Fleet, too. There is also on the Black Sea, to send it to the Baltic - there is no practical sense. In addition, the tasks of the fleet have changed dramatically compared with the tasks in Soviet times - Russia refused to chase aircraft carriers. In the means of strategic deterrence, the rate was placed on other types of weapons - primarily on the Strategic Missile Forces.

And in Kiev, they could not decide what to do with the unfinished missile cruiser. At first it was quickly renamed “Ukraine”, as a symbol and pride of the new maritime state. But the symbol and pride could not move away from the factory wall, unless in tow. Two gas turbine engines burned so much fuel that they could heat the city of Nikolaev shipbuilders freezing in winter. And this very fuel was also lacking. In the middle of 90-s of the last century, the author of these lines visited the plant named after 61 of the communard, the enterprise was a pitiful sight — there were no orders, there was nothing to heat the workshops, the workers, who had not been paid for months, scattered. Including the Russian plants - in Severodvinsk, Kaliningrad, Komsomolsk-on-Amur ... And at the mooring wall the toothless missile cruiser "Ukraine" is lonely and rusting.

Negotiations on the sale of his Russia occurred over the past 20 years more than once or twice. The Verkhovna Rada, in order to sell the ship to someone, even decided to remove the name “Ukraine” from the cruiser’s hull - selling the symbol and pride of the state is worthless. Decided to call it simply "the project 1164". Commissions of the General Staff of the Navy and the Ministry of Defense came to Kiev and Nikolaev, negotiated, and even agreed on something. But everything ended as soon as the prepared documents fell into the presidential administration - that of Kravchuk, that of Kuchma, that of Yushchenko. And there, if they did not die, they disappeared in unknown places. Someone did not like something. Maybe the price of the issue. Maybe the fact that the ship was intended for Russia. And she did not want to give anything (sell) in Kiev. They acted according to the masochistic principle: “I will take out my own eye so that my mother-in-law has a son-in-law curve”. And this approach was not only in relation to the missile cruiser unnecessary for Ukraine.

Kiev behaved approximately the same way when it prohibited the pilots of the Northern Fleet to conduct trainings at the NITKA complex near Sevastopol. The complex was rusted around, the Chinese and Indians, whom Ukraine offered to use it, were not going to do this - they built their training complex, and they did not let Russia in Saki, despite the fact that we were ready to pay Ukrainians with hard currency. I had to build such a simulator under Yeisk. Now we have two training grounds for deck pilots. And intractable partners were left with a nose.

They stayed with the nose even when they refused to supply our space troops with information from two MSS stations near Beregovo in the Carpathians and Nikolayevka near Sevastopol. It turned out that 7 million dollars, which Moscow paid for it, were not enough for them - as a result, they did not receive a penny. And sell the station to the Americans, as promised svidomye masochists, also did not work. Who in NATO or the USA needs locators that control the western and southern direction of Ukraine, and not east and north?

Similar examples can be given for a long time. But back to the "Ukraine".

GIFT ALSO TOO VERY EXPENSIVE

Under Yanukovych, negotiations on the 1164 project were no longer conducted. Moscow has lost all interest in him. I remember how during the trip of the two defense ministers Anatoly Serdyukov and Admiral Mikhail Yezhel to Kamchatka and Vladivostok at a press conference in which I also had a chance to attend, some of my colleagues asked the heads of military departments about the fate of the cruiser "Ukraine". Yezhel said that Kiev was glad to sell it to Moscow, and Serdyukov responded either jokingly or seriously, that "we are ready to take it, but only for nothing."

Not for nothing, nor for the money, unfinished and rusting near the wall of the Ukraine plant, Russia was not needed. It is clear why. Putting the cruiser into the dock, cleaning its hull and combat systems from rust, re-equipment for new missile systems and battle support systems cost a fortune. Moreover, no one would dare to carry out all this repair-modernization at the Nikolaev shipyards. Yes, and especially no one, because very many Nikolaev shipbuilders long ago moved to Russian enterprises. With families ... A warship would turn into a hostage who would blackmail Moscow and endlessly pull money from it. Masochists were not found in the Russian military department in order to offer the government such an option of acquiring the 1164 project. We do not need him, of course, now. Moreover, Kiev has legally severed all military-technical cooperation with our country. It does not supply any components or spare parts for previously sold military equipment. And to whom Vice Admiral Haiduk and his bosses in the administration of Mr. Poroshenko will now be able to fuse the unfortunate ship, God only knows. Although it is unlikely.

To alter it, for example, under the BrahMos missile for India, it is still a trouble, it is easier to build a new ship. In addition, there will be a question about the price. I remember the last time, 10 years ago, when another Russian military delegation visited Ukraine, negotiating with its Ukrainian colleagues, it was offered to pay not only for the cruiser, but also to pay all the costs that the 61 plant of the commune had incurred for two decades, the ship stood at the wall, on the electricity, heat and water supply it consumed. In addition, it turned out that the ship’s propeller shafts due to improper care came to be irreparable. And to make and install new ones is still a problem, almost unaffordable. There was no courage in the Russian military department to offer the authorities to satisfy the inordinate greed of their Ukrainian colleagues, to pay huge amounts of money for rusty illiquid assets.

Who now needs a cruiser, for which, according to the commander of the Ukrainian Navy, Vice Admiral Haiduk, about 80% of weapons, navigation equipment and small arms are made only in Russia, an open question. Not a single Western shipbuilding company, even under the political pressure of its own government, will undertake this work - a lot of expenses, and the risk of non-return of funds spent is too great.

To remake a rocket ship under a casino, and then under an aircraft carrier, as the Chinese did with the hull of the aircraft carrier cruiser Varyag under construction in Nikolaev, is also impossible. Is that sell it "on pins". A ton of ship metal on the international market, if with copper wires and other fillings, costs about 200 – 250 dollars per ton. How do you bargain. A full displacement of "Ukraine" - 11 500 tons. Simple arithmetic will prompt the reader to the true price of this ship, and that does not include the cost of towing to the enterprise for the breakdown. Somewhere in India or South Korea, where they specialize in such work.

Although it will still be more decent than engaging in military-economic masochism even longer - keeping the rusting former symbol and pride of the Navy Power chained with towing ends to the quay wall of the shipbuilding plant, to no avail. Of course, new ships and launches for the money gained cannot be built. But at least for heat and light for illiquid "Ukraine" will not have to pay more.
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  1. +16
    5 October 2015 05: 13
    It’s also impossible to remake the rocket ship under the casino, and then under the aircraft carrier, as the Chinese did with the hull of the Varyag aircraft-carrying cruiser under construction in Nikolaev.


    I offer KIEV another idea to put your masochists FIMEN, LYASHKO, FARION on this ship and drown it off the coast of Europe so much cheaper.
    1. +13
      5 October 2015 13: 28
      An indicative fate of the same ships with different names and flags: "Moscow" covers its air defenses in Latakia and Tartus in Syria, protecting the interests of its power in the world - it does what it was created for, albeit after many years of inactivity.
      And "Ukraine" never entered the "European" sea, toothless and rusting. And no one knows what to do with her now, although they promised a lot, a lot ...
      Sometimes it seems that we're not talking about ships :)

      and drown off the coast of Europe

      I'm afraid Turkey will not pass such a load through the strait, because of the high risk :)

      In general, I am amazed at the Ukrainians. This is some quintessence of insanity.
      You grabbed something that you don’t need without thinking.
      You keep what you do not need and unprofitable for more than 20 years.
      You do not want to give back what you do not need, at a loss, and it becomes even more unnecessary with each year of downtime.
      And this is true throughout Hohland, and not just with this cruiser.

      Well, it’s very simple - you need to stupidly give away something to someone, even for nothing.
      No, the Great Ukrainians bargain for it and charge the price.
      This is not masochism - it is greed multiplied by idiocy. Greed breaks them profitable deals, and idiocy does not allow us to understand that appetites must be restrained.
      1. +2
        5 October 2015 22: 09
        "Greed breeds poverty .." (p.)
      2. 0
        5 October 2015 23: 46
        Quote: Darkmor
        Well, it’s very simple - you need to stupidly give away something to someone, even for nothing.
        No, the Great Ukrainians bargain for it and charge the price.
        This is not masochism - it is greed multiplied by idiocy. Greed breaks them profitable deals, and idiocy does not allow us to understand that appetites must be restrained.

        All right. But all this does not apply to the khozlov, their brain is arranged differently
      3. 0
        6 October 2015 14: 12
        Quote: Darkmor
        And "Ukraine" never entered the "European" sea, toothless and rusting. And no one knows what to do with her now, although they promised a lot, a lot ...

        ----------------------
        As shown by the equipment of this cruiser, in which I recognized 40-year-old communication systems that were already being withdrawn from service ... Antediluvian black and white CRT monitors, analog devices and communications ... In general, it’s possible to shoot all the Soviet solid stuffing expensive ... By the way, and the cabins are sheathed with varnished chipboard panels, fashionable in the 70s, they would also have to be removed because of the environment and weight ... Plus, conduct a full audit of the hull with all kinds of ultrasounds and x-rays ... Plus diagnostics other systems ... Revision of the entire economy .. It's easier to spit and forget ...
    2. Alf
      +1
      5 October 2015 21: 36
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I offer KIEV another idea to put your masochists FIMEN, LYASHKO, FARION on this ship and drown it off the coast of Europe so much cheaper.

      The main thing is to drown very slowly in order to get high.
  2. +12
    5 October 2015 05: 17
    All independence was the freedom to destroy their own state. Looted, betrayed, resold three times. Peremoga!
  3. +13
    5 October 2015 05: 21
    There the whole country is masochists, and not just the ship. Sorry for the handsome.
    1. +6
      5 October 2015 07: 23
      What to regret the masochistic country. No mind, one greed. In general, a wild land of frightened idiots. Even Taburetkin said that Russia will take this cruiser, if Ukraine still pays the cost of this cruiser to Russia.
  4. +6
    5 October 2015 05: 40
    Fraer’s greed ruined ...
    And this does not only apply to the cruiser.
    "Yuzhmash" was transferred to a one-day trip, the equipment is removed from the shops.
    I read it in Rusvesna.
    Plus default has already been officially announced.
    So what will be worse next.
    1. +7
      5 October 2015 05: 46
      Quote: Zomanus
      Fraer’s greed ruined ...
      And this does not only apply to the cruiser.
      "Yuzhmash" was transferred to a one-day trip, the equipment is removed from the shops.
      I read it in Rusvesna.
      Plus default has already been officially announced.
      So what will be worse next.

      Senya will say, lies are lying, oaths are about to and to.
  5. +2
    5 October 2015 05: 45
    in a word, laughter and sin, one misery, that is what Ukrainian redneck and their pathological greed can lead to ...
  6. +8
    5 October 2015 05: 55
    The sad fate of the ship
  7. +4
    5 October 2015 05: 55
    How is it with them? Do not eat so bite ... laughing
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  9. +4
    5 October 2015 06: 10
    Does anyone care about the problems of the "galloping Indians"? A specific project for specific weapons. It is cheaper to build a new ship for new weapons. What to discuss?
    1. -9
      5 October 2015 10: 19
      Cheaper to build a new one ship under the new weapons. What to discuss?

      Cheaper does not mean FASTER ...! The time factor is war at the door, and you count all the money.
      The ship definitely need to take, pay - at least what. Cutted green paper, or gas, but we must urgently take and put into operation!
      Weapons do not happen much, sometimes very little, or just a little - but you will not take it away anymore ... laughing And he needs it on Black, and on the Baltic, and better in the North.
      1. +1
        5 October 2015 13: 09
        I would take this boat. I just like this project. The first leader will only be mortgaged in 2019, and if you take Lobov on account of debt, then by 2020 it can be completed. Moreover, we have 3 of his brothers. At Pacific Fleet, for example, the second atlas will not be superfluous. Again, in the Mediterranean Sea, it will be possible to establish that one atlas is constantly on duty on the coast of Syria. In general, I am in favor of taking it from dill for debt. They should have transferred part of the debt to us now - they couldn’t, so let them pay in kind.
      2. +9
        5 October 2015 13: 59
        Quote: RONIN-HS
        The ship definitely need to take, pay - at least what. Cutted green paper, or gas, but we must urgently take and put into operation!

        The terms of commissioning the "Ukraine" will be comparable to the terms of building a new ship. 20 years at the pier is a diagnosis. Even if the propeller shafts have fallen into disrepair, it’s scary to think about what is happening with the underwater part of the hull and, especially, with the hull in the waterline area.
        A similar case occurred in the late 30s with the Admiral Butakov spacecraft, which it was decided to rebuild into the Aurora training spacecraft. After examining the hull, it turned out that it was necessary to change the entire skin in the underwater part.

        And in parallel, the epic will begin with the restructuring of the ship for new weapons systems. Only the S-300F, AK-130 and AK-630 are suitable from the old one.

        I'm not even talking about the fact that the state of the engines on the RRC is a big question. And their manufacturer is Zorya-Mashproekt. The one who threw us from the GTE for frigates.
  10. +4
    5 October 2015 06: 13
    Descendants and associates of Masoch in his repertoire. And this is only one side of unsightly reality. Another peremoga. And how many are yet to come!
  11. +3
    5 October 2015 06: 14
    Another fact about the failure of an attempt to build a state under the mythical name -Ukraine! A recent incident at the UN, when a miserable group of dill, exposed a yellow-black rag roughly torn by a guard, is a typical example of Svidomo’s stupidity and mediocrity.!
  12. +2
    5 October 2015 06: 18
    ... well, they, like the Americans, are also exceptional ... exceptionally greedy, narrow-minded goons and gopot ...
  13. +2
    5 October 2015 07: 18
    One word ... Ukraine ... 100% compliance ...
  14. +6
    5 October 2015 07: 19
    correspondent of the newspaper "Fleet of Ukraine"

    Strange, there is no fleet, and the newspaper not only exists, but also writes about the mystical fleet.
    1. Alf
      0
      5 October 2015 21: 40
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Strange, there is no fleet, and the newspaper not only exists, but also writes about the mystical fleet.

      So there are more admirals than ships.
  15. +12
    5 October 2015 07: 51
    Ukraine is selling "Ukraine" very symbolically.
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  17. +1
    5 October 2015 08: 15
    Fraer’s greed ruined ...
    And this does not only apply to the cruiser.
    "Yuzhmash" was transferred to a one-day trip, the equipment is removed from the shops.
    I read it in Rusvesna.
    Plus default has already been officially announced.
    So what will be worse next.
    But what about .. ??? Well, they were going to conquer the kozmoz ... and you can make a lot of bunkers from the ship ..
  18. +2
    5 October 2015 08: 57
    A good name - the cruiser "Ukraine"!

    A non-existent ship, a non-existent country ...
  19. +1
    5 October 2015 09: 02
    These ukrainets have everything according to the principle that they don’t get it. Goons.
  20. +2
    5 October 2015 09: 31
    "The aforementioned ship, which bore" nee "the name" Admiral of the Fleet Lobov ", belongs to a series of its own, as they say in the West, sistersheep - Project 1164 Atlant-class cruisers ..." - was it a mistake or a light trolling of the author? Correctly write: sister ship (literally translated as a ship of the same type, sister - sister, ship - ship. When the word sheep in English means - a sheep or a ram laughing So in the west they don’t talk about sheep ... Well, only if regarding the fleet of the Armed Forces? wassat
  21. 0
    5 October 2015 11: 21
    it will be sold, and the proceeds from its implementation will go to the construction of new ships and boats

    In general, we have a box of vodka, we sell it, and we drink a lot of money! This is a business for real boys!
  22. 0
    5 October 2015 11: 49
    Who in NATO or in the USA needs locators that control the western and southern directions from Ukraine, and not the eastern and northern ones?

    They dug up the Black Sea, really can’t deploy the stations ... wassat
    1. +1
      5 October 2015 15: 51
      Quote: bvi1965
      really stations cannot deploy ...

      We must already speak about this in the singular.
      Major General Anatoly Nestechuk, Chief of Staff of the 15 Army of the Air Forces, reported on the modernization of the Crimean radar Dnepr by the end of the 2015 year.

      “By the end of the 2015 of the year, the combat crew of the Sevastopol Separate Radio Engineering Center will be on combat duty,” said Nestechuk. - She will return to the SPRN combat structure in 22 of the year after she was expelled from it.

      Until the beginning of 2009, the Dnepr radar station of the missile attack warning system in Sevastopol, together with a similar station in Mukachevo (Transcarpathia, Ukraine), was on alert in the interests of the Russian Federation in accordance with the 1997 Russian-Ukrainian agreement.
  23. 0
    5 October 2015 12: 24
    And it would be better if the Svidomo attached this iron somewhere. Several years will pass and IT will be our problem, the problem of the Russian Federation. Ukraine will collapse anyway
  24. 0
    5 October 2015 12: 53
    In this state, only in scrap metal.
    Take at the price of 7r. per ton.
  25. +5
    5 October 2015 13: 34
    After reading the article, I remembered the old history of rest in the Crimea (then still Ukrainian). My wife and I rested in Feodosia in June, came to the market to buy strawberries. Berries are sold by Ukrainians and Caucasians. I went to Khokhl, asked how much strawberries cost, answered 50 rubles. I try to bargain, it does not reduce at any price. I went to a Caucasian, bargained for 35 rubles, bought a whole box from him. The next day we again go to the market, there is a crest with an already darkened and flowed berry, no one takes it, only in the trash. And the Caucasians have new boxes with fresh strawberries, he sold everything yesterday, he just did not drive for great profit, and due to the sales volumes he stayed with a profit, unlike the squeezed crest.
  26. 0
    5 October 2015 14: 49
    The author raised an interesting question. And why Russia onyx (300 km) when there are volcanoes (1000 km)? I don’t understand one?
    1. +2
      5 October 2015 15: 20
      Quote: Hammer
      The author raised an interesting question. And why Russia onyx (300 km) when there are volcanoes (1000 km)? I don’t understand one?

      Volcano:
      Length: 11,7 m
      Diameter: 0,88 m
      Wingspan: 2,6 m
      Starting weight: 7000-8000 kg

      Onyx:
      Missile length: 8-8,6 m
      Rocket Diameter: 0,67 m
      TPN Length: 8,9 m
      TPS Diameter: 0,72 m
      Wingspan: 1,7 m
      Rocket weight:
      Starting - 3000 kg
      With TPN - 3900 kg

      The size and mass of the "onyx" is less than that of the "Volcano". Accordingly, it can be placed on ships of smaller displacement.
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