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The world is at the red line

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The world is at the red line



For two years now, the Russian and European media have been informing us about the deployment of American ground forces, aviation parts, air defense and missile defense systems, etc. in the Baltic countries and Poland. It came to the nuclear weapons. Even 8 June 2015, the head of the British Foreign Office, Philip Hammond, said that against the background of worsening relations with Russia, the UK is ready to consider the issue of deploying US nuclear missiles on its territory. “We would consider this issue. If he were on the agenda, we would take a decision together with the United States. We need to send Russia a clear signal that we will not allow them to cross the red line, ”the minister said.

Earlier in the media leaked excerpts from the report of American General Martin Dempsey, which suggests that Washington is considering the possibility of deploying ground-based cruise and ballistic missiles in Europe or Asia aimed at the Russian nuclear potential. Allegedly, this is being done in response to "violations by the Russian side of the treaty on the reduction of medium and short range missiles." But no one writes why these events really take place.

I will begin with the deployment of American ground forces near the borders with Russia. According to Washington, they supposedly should intimidate the Kremlin so that it would not dare to attack the Baltic border countries and Poland. But after all, the Russian Federation and was not going to do it!

... Suppose that in the Pentagon, the Minister of Defense slightly went to the roof. Periodically, this happens to them. So, 22 May 1949, US Secretary of Defense James Forrestal, with a shout of "Russians are coming!", Sighed from the window of the 16-th floor. But after all, American troops in Eastern Europe should have some plans, instructions on the conduct of hostilities.

We will not go into details, but simply ask the American generals: “What war are you preparing for?”

According to the plans of the Pentagon, from 1945 to 1950's, the only option of war with the USSR was “massive nuclear retribution”. At the very beginning of the 1950-s, in addition to it, the US military developed a doctrine of local nuclear war. Sometimes in the USA they used another terminology - “limited nuclear war in a theater of military operations”. According to the views of the military-political leadership of the United States, a nuclear war in the theater of operations reduced the likelihood of the United States being involved in a general nuclear war while fulfilling its obligations to the allies. At the same time, it was believed in the Pentagon, it could be a means of achieving certain regional political goals, therefore in these conditions it was considered preferable to a strategic nuclear war. Moreover, the use of nuclear weapons was considered the most important condition for preventing the outbreak of a nuclear war into a general nuclear war only in a combat zone and only at military sites.

Who was hit by a nuclear strike? According to the US military doctrine, the emergence of a nuclear war was considered the most likely in Europe. At the same time, the leadership of the United States and NATO never officially specified which European countries would fall into a zone of local nuclear war, but it was understood that they would be Germany, the GDR, Czechoslovakia, Poland, perhaps Italy, etc. The possibility of using even tactical nuclear weapons in a local nuclear war on the territory of the USSR and the USA was not even considered. It is noteworthy that in the period from 1945 to 1991, almost all American generals and politicians believed that a war between the USSR and the USA in Europe with conventional (non-nuclear) weapons was impossible. It inevitably had to escalate into a total thermonuclear war using ICBMs and strategic bombers, or, at best, into a local nuclear war.

Is it possible now to conduct a local nuclear war in Eastern Europe according to plans developed at the Pentagon in 50 – 70-s of the XX century? In my opinion, yes. Theoretically, the United States and the Russian Federation may agree to conduct combat operations within Poland, Ukraine and the Baltic border countries. But even one nuclear strike on the territory of the Russian Federation will automatically transfer the war from local to total. But do they understand in Warsaw that regardless of the outcome of a local nuclear war, Poland will turn into a radioactive desert, while the radiation background in New York, Paris and even Moscow will not exceed the usual sanitary indicators at the Sokol metro station?

As is known, after the 1991 year in the United States, a doctrine was developed for delivering a “disarming” strike on Russia by non-nuclear means. Thousands of Tomahawk-type high-precision cruise missiles launched from ships, submarines and airplanes should hit the Russian ICBM launchers, strategic aviation aerodromes, communications centers, command posts. Well, the ships and submarines of the United States and NATO countries are ordered to suddenly attack and destroy Russian nuclear submarines that carry ICBMs.

At the time of Yeltsin, such a plan had a good chance of success. However, quite a lot of newest long-range anti-aircraft complexes, C-300 and C-400, have been deployed in the Russian Federation, and the C-2016 is expected to arrive in 500 in the year. In addition, they are armed with the Pantsir short-range air defense system and a number of other systems. The capabilities of the Russian radio countermeasure facilities have increased. So now, in the event of a preemptive strike on the Russian Federation, the Americans still risk getting a few hundred thermonuclear warheads in response.

The appearance of medium-range American missiles in England automatically terminates the agreement on the elimination of medium-range and short-range missiles signed by the USA and the USSR 8 December 1987, according to which the Americans abandoned plans to deploy Pershing-2 ballistic missiles with a range of 2500 km in Europe, and The USSR was subject to the elimination of 405 15 and 45Ж15 53 deployed missiles with 5000 km (!) And launchers, as well as 245 non-deployed missiles and 118 launchers to them.

A reasonable question arises: how should the Russian Federation react to such military preparations by the United States and its European allies? You can ruin a country by trying to catch up with the US and NATO in the number of attack aircraft, tanks and artillery systems. Can surrender to the United States. And you can answer with asymmetric measures.

For example, to make 2 – 3 thousand thousand medium-range ballistic missiles. In 1962, Nikita Khrushchev, scaring the West, lied that we were doing an ICBM with the same ease and at the same pace as sausages on the conveyor. In fact, the first Soviet ICBM P-7 (GRAU index 8K71) had a range 8 thousand km, starting weight 283 t and length 31,4 m. But later the weight and dimensional characteristics of the ICBM, as well as their cost, significantly decreased, and the USSR began to produce hundreds of them .

In 1983, the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering (MIT) began the development of the mobile courier ICBM (GRAU index 15Ж59). Its weight was 15 t, and length - 11,2 m, that is, compared to P-7, the length decreased by 2,8 times, and weight - by 19 times! In the 1989, flight tests of the Courier began, and on October 6, under pressure from the USA, Gorbachev and Yeltsin stopped all work on this product.

I note that at the end of the 1990-x - the beginning of the 2000-s in the Russian Federation, new mixed fuels were created, which could double the 20 to 40 km to increase the firing range of the Grad missile system while maintaining weight and dimensional characteristics. Moreover, using new sorts of mixed fuel and advanced technologies in the field of control systems, engine designs, etc., it is possible to increase the weight of a ballistic missile with a range of 3 – 4 thousand km to 6 – 9 tons. Two or even four such missiles in transport and launch containers (TPK) will fit in the back of a conventional KamAZ, truck, passenger or commercial 60-ton railcar. Back in the middle of the 1960-ies in the USSR, a project was created for the installation of an ICBM UR-100, and then P-29 in the vertical mines of ordinary civilian ships of projects 550, 1111, etc.

At the beginning of 1964 of the year in TsKB-18 under the leadership of S.P. The queen made an interesting project of a plunging launch vehicle (CSP), called the “Scat 602 project”. The CSP was designed as a vertical cylinder with eight TPCs located around it. The length of the TPC was 20,7 m, the diameter was 2,8 m. Each TPC contained one UR-100М rocket. CCPs were to be used in inland water basins and coastal areas. The CCP could have anchored or lay down on the ground. The immersion depth was 100 m.

This project has been rejected. But let's not forget that the weight of the UR-100 is 43,2 t, and the new rocket weighing 6 – 9 t can be placed not only on the river barge, but also in tow or a pleasure ship of the Moskvich type.

Now the most important thing is to ensure the secret deployment of both ICBMs and medium-range missiles. It would be nice to place plausible models of such missiles all over the country. Recall how the Yugoslavs successfully used the disguise of their military equipment and models in Kosovo in the 1999 year. Thanks to this, during the 75 days of NATO bombing by aircraft, they managed to keep 90 – 95% of their tanks, guns and rocket launchers.

Well, what about the missile defense systems that the Americans installed on their cruisers and destroyers, and now they are trying to deploy on the border of the Russian Federation in Poland and the Baltic states? After all, they are in the exercises successfully hit all classes of ballistic missiles.

And why, strictly speaking, should the rocket necessarily fly along a ballistic curve, that is, along the most energetically favorable trajectory? And if miniature thrusters with variable thrust vectoring and aerodynamic rudders are installed on the rocket or its warhead, then the rocket can fly along the most intricate path. For example, in the USSR in the 1980-ies a whole regiment of P-36-O (orbital) missiles was on combat duty. They could make one or several revolutions around the Earth, and then hit any target. Yes, the same Iskander-N rocket is not a ballistic at all, and the parameters of its trajectory are kept secret ...

A little example. In Israel, the “Iron Dome” missile defense system has been deployed for five years, created on the basis of the highest technology. The cost of one battery is 170 million dollars. The official cost of one rocket is 20 thousand dollars (in fact, significantly higher). In 2011, the Palestinians launched 386 rockets around Israel, of which 34 was shot down by the Iron Dome. The cost of an unguided Palestinian rocket with a range of 70 – 100 km is about $ 100.

So, Russia, having begun mass production of cheap maneuvering missiles with a range of 500 – 3000 km, will elementarily destroy the USA and NATO for tens of times more expensive missile defense systems.

However, the Russian Federation is not going to attack NATO. But in Brussels, NATO strategists are still developing plans for a preemptive strike on Russia. So medium-range missiles (up to 5 thousand km) should become weapons of massive nuclear retaliation. Thus, in some ways, Russia should copy the strategy of the US 1940 – 1970-s.

I repeat once again: rockets must be extremely cheap. For this, you can sacrifice the circular deviation, simplifying the control system. The main objective of such missiles should be areal targets - to put it simply, cities and factories, which in Western Europe often adjoin each other for many tens or even hundreds of kilometers.

As a result, the shopkeepers and the “office plankton” in Warsaw or Marseilles will think for a long time whether it is worth fighting with Russia because of the ambitions of Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk and Co.

Few people know that Mr. Yeltsin tightly hammered a window to Europe, broken by Peter the Great, and left a small crack. No, I'm not exaggerating a bit. Now our ships and airplanes should travel with jewelry accuracy in the Gulf of Finland and in the airspace above it along a narrow corridor of a length exceeding 150 km and a width from 4 to 10 km.

Before the arrival of the Americans, the Estonians were limited to notes: “Ah, your plane went deep into 100 meters deep into the territory of Estonia over the Gulf of Finland for a full minute”. And with the arrival of Americans, they may have enough intelligence and audacity to shoot. As you know, our “best German”, Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev, granted Lithuania independence without even stipulating the conditions for safe transit to the Kaliningrad region. And there is no guarantee that the Lithuanian government, having gained arrogance from the type of American tanks, does not want to interrupt our transit to the Kaliningrad region in one way or another.

So, what did the United States achieve by deploying its ground and air forces in Poland and the Baltic states? Just that the fingers of politically engaged Balts and Poles will join the finger of the President of the United States on the button of the “nuclear briefcase”. And the American troops arriving in Eastern Europe now automatically become hostages of irresponsible politicians. The border conflict with the Russians will inevitably lead to the involvement of Americans in the fighting. God grant that Washington and Moscow have enough sense to not use nuclear weapons. Alas, this will be extremely difficult.
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  1. Kenji
    Kenji 4 October 2015 00: 11
    29
    The states have achieved that they have a bunch of cannon fodder that can be consumed if a war starts against us, and they themselves will want to sit back overseas selling weapons to everyone, only now they have nuclear weapons and they can do it.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 4 October 2015 00: 32
      21
      From the article
      A reasonable question arises: how should the Russian Federation react to such military preparations by the United States and its European allies?
      Amers have little gyrus to understand and take note of this.
      In the United States, almost everyone in the country's leadership, like McCain, is violently insane fool and the rest politicians and military both in the USA and the countries of Europe, unfortunately, “Turn on” their brains and voice “reproducers” only after his resignation.
      1. Ajent cho
        Ajent cho 4 October 2015 00: 59
        +3
        other politicians and the military both in the USA and European countries, unfortunately, “turn on” their brains and voice “reproducers” only after their resignation.
        Prior to retirement, they reproduced only the thoughts of their masters. The service is like that.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 4 October 2015 03: 32
          +9
          The Americans follow the principle that an "iron fist" is never superfluous, but still they have great hopes for the possibility of bringing another traitor like a humpback and a fucking bum to power, having a bunch of influence agents and a ready-made fifth column .. It's not for nothing that GDP strengthens the BB and Riot police
          1. hrych
            hrych 4 October 2015 06: 42
            30
            The fifth column in the Russian Federation worked as it should, causing the illusion of control over the country by the Anglo-Saxo-Jews. During this period, the armed forces of the Russian Federation were put in order, and the strategic forces received the entire line of strategic missiles with maneuvering BB. Moreover, in this "play" the most important role was assigned to Serdyukov. Perhaps the pig did not know the essence of his character, as did the audience of London. What were Britain and the United States left with at this time? Instead of a line of strategic missiles, instead of Bulava - Navalny, instead of Yars - Kasparov, instead of Iskander - Alekseev, also filled, only not with solid fuel, but with insanity. Moreover, the illusion of the Western special services was to the last, even when the resurrected Russia showed its fangs, capturing the Crimea, the last trump card was introduced and eliminated, as a sacred sacrifice - the conscience of the nation - Borukh Efimovich. According to their ideas, this was supposed to stir up the nation and the indignant people, in a fit of righteous anger, was supposed to demolish the hated regime of the tyrant VVP (as they were convinced by the grant eaters). As a result, only a couple of dozen unbroken Trotskyists and all that were farted from indignation ...
            1. hrych
              hrych 4 October 2015 06: 57
              15
              And our Shakespeare is already in the Middle East ... And the outrageous howl of liberoids with the main argument is that the war is expensive during the economic crisis, but the defeat of siskis selling stolen oil from captured Middle Eastern wells for nothing will simply lead to an increase in its price, and this increase for a couple of days will cover all the costs of the war and the gas pipeline will never go from Qatar to Europe, depriving hungry Russia of the last crust. So not only that, the Russo and Iranian-Aryans (of course, rather under our wings), and even (not to sleep Veni Netanyahu) hezbollists went into battle side by side. Venya in a dream in reality already saw the Yakhont and the Shell ...
              1. twviewer
                twviewer 4 October 2015 13: 07
                +4
                Quote: hrych
                the defeat of siskis selling stolen oil from captured Middle Eastern wells for nothing will simply lead to an increase in its price, and this increase in a couple of days will cover all the costs of the war

                you don’t fantasize here, 45 thousand barrels of Igilov oil per day from the world 100 million is how much in percentage? 0,045%?! you’ll tighten the price much, whatever you say :)
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 13: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: twviewer
                  you’ll tighten the price much, whatever you say :)

                  Anglo-Saxons will be bullied, if they want, at least up to 200+, they independently set prices for resources.
                2. hrych
                  hrych 4 October 2015 13: 29
                  +6
                  Oil prices are very sensitive, there was a diarrhea in the Saudi king prices jump, etc. ISIS captured about 10 fields, including al-Omar, Raqqa, Deir ez-Zor, and Al-Shaer. In addition, the city of Kobani came under the control of the group. There are no large oil fields in it, but thanks to Koban, ISIS opens up opportunities for unhindered oil smuggling - the city is located on the border with Turkey, from where raw materials flow freely to Turkish oil traders. The total production capacity of ISIS by the IHS consulting company is estimated at 350 thousand barrels per day ... Sale by the Islamic state of oil at a discount could be one of the reasons for the collapse of the cost of "black gold" in the world market, said Mikhail Leontyev, Rosneft Vice President. “The second point is the ISIL's stolen oil, which enters the market through Turkey and Israel at a triple discount. She’s not so much, but she’s stolen, so she’s cheap, ”he said on the Russian News Service.
                  The price of oil is reduced intentionally. A method already tested in the USSR, for starters, the rating agencies carry the blizzard, then the London and New = York commodity exchanges manipulate futures, the United States itself throws its reserves to the market, and then they press on the sheikhs. So the head of OPEC was put into jail the other day. All this, including stolen oil, allows you to lower the price, but for a short time. Especially in Saudi Arabia great problems and objectively due to the Middle East and Arabian wars, the price always objectively rises. Now, Saudi Arabia is close to bankruptcy due to the low price, the war, when cheap light oil has already ended
                  1. twviewer
                    twviewer 4 October 2015 14: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: hrych
                    The total production capacity of ISIS is estimated by IHS consulting company at 350 thousand barrels per day ...

                    estimated oil production capacity, and you reformatted this oil into actually extracted and sold oil, that is, you want to give out Wishlist as facts, as I said
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 4 October 2015 14: 43
                      +2
                      Quote: hrych
                      Rosneft vice president Mikhail Leontyev believes

                      These are not my Wishlist, but the words of the top manager of our largest company. Wishlist for some in one place ...
                      1. twviewer
                        twviewer 4 October 2015 14: 49
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych
                        These are not my Wishlist, but the words of the top manager of our largest company. Wishlist for some in one place ...

                        so, in addition to the organs of vision and hearing, the ability to read and write, the ability to think is also inherent, and therefore to understand what is heard and written, and you neglect this ability :) hi
                      2. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 15: 11
                        +6
                        Quote: twviewer
                        inherent and ability to think

                        Not at all. “Thinking is the hardest job; that’s probably why so few are doing it. " Henry Ford.

                        Quote: twviewer
                        and therefore understand what is heard and written

                        Don't mean don't flatter yourself. Many people make decisions based on what they saw and heard, rather than acting on the basis of the ANALYSIS of what they saw and heard.
                      3. twviewer
                        twviewer 4 October 2015 15: 54
                        +3
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Many people make decisions based on what they saw and heard, rather than acting on the basis of the ANALYSIS of what they saw and heard.

                        I agree, this analysis includes both reflection and a critical assessment of the information :) but not everyone unfortunately wants to deal with the first, not like the second
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 4 October 2015 16: 05
                        +2

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                      5. twviewer
                        twviewer 4 October 2015 16: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych
                        ==============

                        Just about, the person who speaks with the headlines of the tabloid newspapers looks better ?! Klitschko at least formulates the idea itself, albeit confusingly due to the fact that he speaks 3 languages ​​without any real knowledge :)
        2. andj61
          andj61 4 October 2015 19: 42
          +3
          Quote: twviewer
          45 thousand barrels of Igilov oil per day from the world 100 million is how much in percentage? 0,045%?! you’ll tighten the price much, whatever you say :)

          But, nevertheless, a trend and a slight push towards lowering the overall price is visible. But this is not the main thing - with this money they buy weapons and kill people. Therefore, such opportunities for executioners igil simply should not be!
      2. Karabin
        Karabin 4 October 2015 15: 36
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        And our Shakespeare is already in the Middle East

        And why the overseas Shakespeare (with his authorship over the famous plays, as evil tongues say, "not everything is unambiguous"), and not domestic Ostrovsky or Chekhov? Well, okay - Playwright. This is in addition to Judoka and Chessplayer. I love you, pro-Kremlin, for your creativity in calling the Leader. Only the plays of this Playwright are somehow unfinished. It seems that he himself does not see the ending, but he wants to write (isn't it a graphomaniac?). Because of this, not having time to finish one masterpiece, our genius is taken for another, and then the third rushing straight from the soul. Moreover, there are other playwrights, ours is certainly not a match, but prolific. So many colored plays have been made, Mama don’t cry, and everything is at our borders and in the area of ​​our interests. It is necessary to somehow respond to this mass culture, and the talent is enough only until the middle. As a result: Kadyrov with funding from "Allah", sort of like independent Abkhazia and South Ossetia with pacified Georgia, merged in Minsk Novorossiya. In plays on economic topics, our author is limited to an epigraph, which glorifies innovation and reindustrialization. Further they are added by quite liberal foesters. Let's return to the Middle East, where our Shakespeare directed his gaze. When is the "Arab Minsk" there?
        1. hrych
          hrych 4 October 2015 16: 11
          0
          Yes, the plot is simple to pain, at first the battle for integrity and the approaches to the Caucasus (Ichkeria was closely watched by the Kazan and Bashkir khanates, and not only), then the battle for the Caucasus Range, then the battle for the Black Sea, now for Middle-earth, etc. d. I do not like GDP, but the only alternative was EBN ... Are there other options?
          1. Karabin
            Karabin 4 October 2015 17: 57
            +3
            Quote: hrych
            I do not like GDP, but the only alternative was EBN ...

            Did EBN not die?
            Quote: hrych
            Are there other options?

            There are always options. Here William, yours, Shakespeare will "get tired", so immediately the option. LADY is the same. And vote where you go.
            1. hrych
              hrych 4 October 2015 18: 04
              +1
              Offer a candidate, vote. Before EBN fired from tanks at dissent, forgotten? High-rise buildings were blown up - forgotten? Throats were cut in throats for conscripts - forgotten? Bush Feet - Forgotten? Now sanctions, parmesan disappeared, BMW prices have risen, what a horror ...
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 18: 19
              +2
              Quote: Karabin
              Did EBN not die?

              WAS ...

              Quote: Karabin
              There are always options.

              May God grant health for many years. yes

    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 4 October 2015 09: 40
      -3
      Quote: hrych
      ... Moreover, in this "play" the most important role was assigned to Serdyukov.


      smiled .. grunt putinoid
    3. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 4 October 2015 12: 17
      +3
      Quote: hrych
      The fifth column in the Russian Federation worked as it should, causing the illusion of control over the country by the Anglo-Saxo-Jews. During this period, the armed forces of the Russian Federation were put in order, and the strategic forces received the entire line of strategic missiles with maneuvering BB. Moreover, in this "play" the most important role was assigned to Serdyukov. Perhaps the pig did not know the essence of his character, as did the audience of London. What were Britain and the United States left with at this time? Instead of a line of strategic missiles, instead of Bulava - Navalny, instead of Yars - Kasparov, instead of Iskander - Alekseev, also filled, only not with solid fuel, but with insanity. Moreover, the illusion of the Western special services was to the last, even when the resurrected Russia showed its fangs, capturing the Crimea, the last trump card was introduced and eliminated, as a sacred sacrifice - the conscience of the nation - Borukh Efimovich. According to their ideas, this was supposed to stir up the nation and the indignant people, in a fit of righteous anger, was supposed to demolish the hated regime of the tyrant VVP (as they were convinced by the grant eaters). As a result, only a couple of dozen unbroken Trotskyists and all that were farted from indignation ...


      Do you think that as soon as Serdyukov became Minister of Defense, all enemy intelligence and its agents went on vacation during his reign ?? yourself not funny ??
      1. hrych
        hrych 4 October 2015 12: 32
        +3
        In the battle of the minds of the representatives of the “cloak and dagger” class, everything does not immediately look unambiguous. The end result of what was conceived becomes clear after decades, and some (perhaps the majority) will remain incomprehensible forever.
    4. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 4 October 2015 17: 49
      +3
      Quote: hrych
      As a result, only a couple of dozens of unfinished Trotskyists farted with indignation and all ...

      All this is true, however ...
      It is entirely possible to count on this option - GDP and people loyal to it at the very top of the government are eliminated by a terrorist attack or a well-planned attempt. After which the power passes into the hands of those who are in it, in fact, the majority, almost overwhelming. Guys like Dvorkovich.
      And now there is no one to give an order to the army, but without an order ... we can still be butchered cleanly, with the help of betrayal. In 17, it turned out quite well, why not try again now?
      1. hrych
        hrych 4 October 2015 18: 12
        -1
        There is an army and the General Staff, there is the GRU and the FSB, to a lesser extent the Ministry of Internal Affairs - guarantors of state stability. In the USSR, they did not cope with this function, and the KGB essentially organized all this. Entities such as Dudaev, Grachev and Kvashnin served at the top of the army, zapadents with plaits, thieves of ensign, and so on were at the lowest level. Today in the army there are absolutely decent people, and a cabinet can be hung up if, and instead of garlands ...
  2. Mahmut
    Mahmut 4 October 2015 06: 57
    +1
    The cost of an unguided Palestinian rocket with a range of 70-100 km is about $ 100.

    Bullshit, of course.
    1. WKS
      WKS 4 October 2015 09: 54
      +4
      Quote: Mahmut
      The cost of an unguided Palestinian rocket with a range of 70-100 km is about $ 100.

      Bullshit, of course.

      Why nonsense? It is made from an ordinary steel water pipe, and is run along the welded "on the knee" guides. This is done by Palestinian boys for their labor, receiving practically no pay.
  3. Babr
    Babr 4 October 2015 07: 26
    +5
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    .. It is not in vain that GDP strengthens BB and OMON

    Wai Wai Wai! What a fallacy!

    BB and OMON, this is protection from the people. Imagine that morning when people wake up with open eyes and see that they are being fooled by some, of which only 0,2 percent in Russia? What will happen? Right. The sea of ​​blood of "God's chosen".
    This is where the whole fed, repressive apparatus comes in handy.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 4 October 2015 07: 57
      11
      Ukraine has shown the need for explosives and riot police, a sea of ​​blood happens when a repressive apparatus does not fulfill its functions
      1. Babr
        Babr 4 October 2015 08: 19
        +4
        What is he? Infirm? Damaging there riot police? They ordered, and said nothing.
        They will order, in any direction, the bayonets will be sent.
        So your koment out of place.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 5 October 2015 07: 34
          0
          Quote: Babr
          What is he? Infirm? Damaging there riot police? They ordered, and said nothing.
          They will order, in any direction, the bayonets will be sent.
          So your koment out of place.

          What is the alternative?
        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 5 October 2015 07: 34
          0
          Quote: Babr
          What is he? Infirm? Damaging there riot police? They ordered, and said nothing.
          They will order, in any direction, the bayonets will be sent.
          So your koment out of place.

          What is the alternative?
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    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 10: 00
      +4
      Quote: Babr
      VV and riot police, this is protection from the people.

      Let us consider this with the example of Ukraine.

      Quote: Babr
      Imagine the morning when the people wake up with open eyes and see that they are being fooled by some, of which only 0,2 percent in Russia? What will happen? Right.

      That's right, the civil war with all the ensuing casualties and the collapse of the economy to a state close to the medieval state. Moreover, with the coming to full power of these very "God's chosen". Funny, isn't it?

      By the way, "Berkut" was waiting for the order "God's chosen one", or rather, a popularly elected president.

      And now the question is - WHO should the riot police and explosives protect?

      PS Thoughts like yours TWICE in the last century have helped destroy our country. Saves Russia!
      1. Babr
        Babr 4 October 2015 10: 53
        10
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Moreover, with the coming to full power of these very "God's chosen". Funny, isn't it?

        Who is in power now? Pig Alexander. Or do you think that the notorious 5th column is the "chosen of God"? You are mistaken. They have been in power for a long time.
        Yes, they are giving up their own little by little, but this is their insides, to arrange pogroms, holocausts with their own. Due to this, they are so "poor and persecuted." And this is also capital.
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        And now the question is - WHO should the riot police and explosives protect?

        To whom they obey. Authorities. But power is not popular. The authorities will say they will shoot at the people.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 12: 48
          0
          Quote: Babr
          Who is in power now? Take a break Alexander.

          And now, after the capitalist revolution and the dismemberment of the USSR in 1991 by brainless corrupt communists, this is logical. But. Russia has largely remained a social state thanks to Putin, in which “the people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
          And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

          Quote: Babr
          But power is not popular.

          People’s. In general, what should happen for you (your name is legion) to say that the people's power ??? You pour oil and fill up with gold ??? In the USSR, they also criticized the authorities for kitchens, if you forgot.

          Quote: Babr
          The authorities will say they will shoot at the people.

          If Maidan rabble is considered the people, they will and will be rightly done. If BB and Berkut brought order to Ukraine, today there would be peace, not war.
          1. Babr
            Babr 4 October 2015 14: 07
            +5
            Alexander. I already read this.
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            “The people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.

            These are not your words. This is copied from somewhere.
            And you are not understood. It speaks of the lack of mind among the people who have fallen on the needle of credit. The people have been instilled with consumerism, and, through the loan interest, they’ll put on shoes in full. Like in that song (We don’t sow, we don’t plow, we fool around, from the bell tower ..........) and the denyushka is coming.
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

            So do not repeat. You must first understand for yourself.
            Well, further disassemble, do not respect yourself. hi
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 16: 21
              0
              Quote: Babr
              These are not your words. This is copied from somewhere.

              These are my words. You can climb on the Internet, you will be convinced. And I said what I said. Credits are taken by suckers who were bred for loot through the imposed Wishlist. Watch the movie 99 Francs, you will like it. And here is a cut from it, which my son made back in 2009 https://yadi.sk/d/OlRVu3b6jW8K3
              1. Babr
                Babr 4 October 2015 18: 16
                +3
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                These are my words

                I believe. But unconscious. It’s just that we don’t have a single school of communication, so we sometimes do not understand each other. I emphasize the word friend.
              2. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 18: 34
                +1
                Quote: Babr
                I emphasize the word friend.

                And I am the word friend I emphasize. good
        2. shershen
          shershen 4 October 2015 22: 31
          0
          "People's" power is nonsense. Power in the hands of the people is pure anarchy. In reality, power always belongs to those few who allocate resources.
        3. internatio
          internatio 5 October 2015 00: 35
          +5
          NO, VseDoFeNi (1)! You are absolutely wrong! There is no democracy in the country for a long time, almost from the day of the death of I.V. Stalin. Since then, there has been a full-scale restoration of the capitalist system and the gradual destruction of the people's socialist achievements. Do not see this, do not understand - painting in political ignorance, I'm sorry. The exploitation of the socialist achievements of the USSR continues today. But without a single political course in the power structures, and even in education, the economy, etc. - There is no deeply thought out logical motivation for the feat of arms. Continuing to blacken the USSR and its policies will not drive you into a brighter future. And how many young people believe in tomorrow?
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 5 October 2015 07: 23
            0
            So again.
            «Destroyed the USSR in 1991 by corrupt brainless communists, tied the RUBLE to the DOLLAR, deprived our enterprises of work and financing ...

            Putin is forced to repair the consequences of this destruction. Today, under Putin, the people in Russia live as richly as they have never lived in the foreseeable past. A vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and about the lack of intelligence so as not to overpay.
            And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

            Communists in the last century TWICE !!! destroyed our country. Maybe enough to idealize them ??? angry
            Actually, it was this naughty Saxons who created this maxxist ideology to fight their geopolitical rivals. And the congresses of the RSDLP supported the same ...

            Democracy is just a beautiful word. You are not in your own home, at the entrance, you are not able to organize.

            PS Minus, you do not mind.
      2. Beaver
        Beaver 4 October 2015 14: 20
        +3
        Quote: Babr
        power is not popular.

        Controversial statement. Perhaps, by some standards, not enough people. However, one of the most popular, considering all that I personally found. According to my subjective estimates, it is close to the level of early Brezhnev. hi
        1. Babr
          Babr 4 October 2015 14: 42
          +4
          Quote: Castor
          Quote: Babr
          power is not popular.

          Controversial statement. Perhaps, by some standards, not enough people. However, one of the most popular, considering all that I personally found. According to my subjective estimates, it is close to the level of early Brezhnev. hi

          Throw the TV away !!!! angry And ..... you will be happy. lol
          Minus is not mine, correct. In advance. lol
          1. Beaver
            Beaver 4 October 2015 18: 54
            +2
            Quote: Babr
            Throw the TV away !!!!

            I’ll throw it out when I buy it.
  4. Rarahin
    Rarahin 4 October 2015 12: 01
    +3
    Quote: Babr
    This is where the whole fed, repressive apparatus comes in handy.


    As a rule, and it follows from the history of mankind, the repressive apparatus turns against those who created it.
    Since it is the employees of this apparatus who clearly know what the popular anger will turn into. And they no longer want to be the buffer for which they were prepared.
    What for? Sausages and beer got drunk, cottages set up ...

    Remember, Filatov:

    "- Look, a medal! .. A great honor! ..
    I can’t count the rewards:
    All hung like a tree
    There are six on the back! ..
    Protect you from troubles
    I now have no reason!
    You for your own meanness
    Himself must keep the answer! .. (c)
    1. Babr
      Babr 4 October 2015 14: 13
      +3
      Quote: Rarahin
      As a rule, and it follows from the history of mankind, the repressive apparatus turns against those who created it.
      Since it is the employees of this apparatus who clearly know what the popular anger will turn into. And they no longer want to be the buffer for which they were prepared.
      What for? Sausages and beer got drunk, cottages set up ...

      Do not flatter yourself. It is addictive.
  5. Beaver
    Beaver 4 October 2015 14: 13
    0
    Quote: Babr
    Babr (2) Today, 07:26 ↑ New
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    .. It is not in vain that GDP strengthens BB and OMON
    Wai Wai Wai! What a fallacy!

    BB and OMON strengthened EBN, while reducing the army.
    GDP strengthens the army.
    1. Babr
      Babr 4 October 2015 14: 29
      +8
      Quote: Castor
      BB and OMON strengthened EBN, while reducing the army.

      Nonsense. During EBN, they received a penny to maintain their pants. In the courtyard, capitalism and .... you won’t spread it, you won’t go. Therefore, the repressive apparatus was raised in vain.
      And now I will say why.
      Modern democracy is not a defense of the interests of the majority.
      This is a defense of the exclusive interests of the Jews from the majority.
      And minorities are only 0,2 percent. And not all of them were allowed to the feeder.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 17: 10
        +2
        Quote: Babr
        Therefore, the repressive apparatus raised a salary.

        They were paid a salary in order not to feed someone else’s repressive apparatus. In the occupied territories were the same policemen. Not such a long story, I must say.

        Quote: Babr
        Modern democracy is not a defense of the interests of the majority.

        I have repeatedly said that we need to build a just society without isms and craters. The sovereignty is quite suitable. But not Jewish god power.
        1. Babr
          Babr 4 October 2015 18: 00
          +1
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          The sovereignty is quite suitable. But not Jewish god power.

          Sanya, it’s not all your shit. Well, if the police don't stop. lol
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 18: 53
            +1
            Quote: Babr
            .Slep? Well, if the police don't stop.

            Let's sing! And poly / miles will go with us.
        2. Rarahin
          Rarahin 5 October 2015 11: 53
          0
          Only such a form of dictatorship is possible.
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  • Karabin
    Karabin 4 October 2015 14: 30
    +3
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    It is not for nothing that GDP strengthens BB and OMON

    Really for dispersal of a pocket thought and own government?
  • Good me
    Good me 4 October 2015 15: 46
    0
    Can surrender to the United States. And you can answer with asymmetric measures.

    For example, to make 2 – 3 thousand thousand medium-range ballistic missiles. In 1962, Nikita Khrushchev, scaring the West, lied that we were doing an ICBM with the same ease and at the same pace as sausages on the conveyor. In fact, the first Soviet ICBM P-7 (GRAU index 8K71) had a range 8 thousand km, starting weight 283 t and length 31,4 m. But later the weight and dimensional characteristics of the ICBM, as well as their cost, significantly decreased, and the USSR began to produce hundreds of them .


    It is so ... But it is necessary, at the same time, to remember that the legendary Korolevskaya "Seven" was the FIRST and ONLY ICBM in the world at that time ...

    And on its "fenced" version, "Sputnik", dogs Belka and Srelka, and of course the first earthling-cosmonaut, Yu.A. Gagarin, were launched into space ...
  • st25310
    st25310 4 October 2015 01: 44
    +1
    Riot ripens in Europe! So they strengthen their position.
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 4 October 2015 10: 23
      +1
      Riot ripens in Europe!


      What are you, what are you! In Europe, they are now busy with anal pleasures, they can rebel if they are forbidden to do so.
  • Kostyar
    Kostyar 4 October 2015 08: 25
    +3
    The world is at the red line

    But are the Americans ready for the last and decisive battle ....?!
    Russia and its people have this readiness in their blood !!!!
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 10: 09
      +3
      Quote: Bone
      Russia and its people have this readiness in their blood !!!!

      As history shows, Russians are gods of war.
      1. shershen
        shershen 4 October 2015 22: 40
        +4
        Do not flatter yourself, having received arms, the majority will immediately begin to spontaneously restore their violated constitutional rights. The war will be an excellent excuse to reckon with the "power" that has completely broken off. Society is too fragmented, materially and religiously fragmented. To have a "deputy's son" sit in the same dugout with a simple milling machine is fantastic. The communist ridge no longer exists, alas.
    2. Beaver
      Beaver 4 October 2015 14: 32
      0
      Quote: Bone
      But are the Americans ready for the last and decisive battle ....?!

      Absolutely not. And they are not going to participate in it. But it is clear that they dream of making a fortune, as they did before from two world massacres. Therefore, you never know what, "gifts" to Uncle Sam send, do not forget.
      If they understand that the 3rd World War will bring them losses instead of income, then they will change their minds about it.
  • USSR 1971
    USSR 1971 4 October 2015 00: 39
    +5
    The dollar as a world currency to kill and there will be no meat around the world. You have to strain your meat.
  • Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 4 October 2015 00: 54
    +7
    You have a goal of your whole life, you want to realize it, you dream of getting into America, serve in the Strategic Missile Forces, and your dream can come true! tongue
  • siberalt
    siberalt 4 October 2015 01: 00
    +6
    How tired of playing hide and seek. For 25 years we have been shouting that we see you, come out! And we hand over everything, hand over, hand over. Red line? Is it when "partners" are enemies, a continuation of the game of hide-and-seek? Give the state ideology, stop playing under the carpet with partners giving out to the people nothing but the smells of the nourishing and digestible! Blah blah - not just pouring it into a glass or putting it in your mouth, it is already fatal for the brain. Maybe he's been walking around enough already?
    Take the Outskirts in 48 hours and give to the people. Not a single western bastard will twitch. This will be the red line.
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    2. Egoza
      Egoza 4 October 2015 06: 08
      +6
      Quote: siberalt
      Take the Outskirts in 48 hours and give to the people. Not a single western bastard will twitch. This will be the red line.

      You can take it, but give it to the "people" - sorry. Not the same people today, brainwashed so that only "Oh"! Ukraine has never been independent and will never be, so if you take it, then only under your control. As for the West, they will twitch, in the sense that their citizens will be required to be protected, no, not by military operations, but at a "peaceful level" and by referendum. Considering that there are a lot of citizens with passports of other countries in the memory, the memory is chopped off.
      1. 2С5
        2С5 4 October 2015 08: 16
        +6
        ... under your control ?! Whom ?! Ho..h ... fishing, who hate everything Russian / Russian to heartburn and vomiting ?! Dunoon ... ah! It’s there then, for about 20 years, to direct and catch dill partisans through the forests and Russian cities ... let them remain without mattress financial assistance with their stupidity and obstinacy, cook in this for years heels, and then it will be seen ... why are they needed ? To restore their economy killed at our expense or what? Let them continue to roam the Americas and Europe ... it is impossible to talk to them on other resources, they live like tsars, we are quilted jackets, they are not brothers with us ... if you screw them, then most of the thorn and to restore everything destroyed for "ration" is minimal ... and so, nunafik is kind enough to be to those who apologize to us on the head with ** em and from above asks to eat so unobtrusively ... lock the border and that's it! Let them jump for European cookies, they don't understand otherwise, and hunger will automatically change their ideology for that they are Svidomo ...
        ,











        .
      2. rererilka
        rererilka 4 October 2015 10: 41
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        You can take it, but give it to the "people" - sorry. Not the same people today, brainwashed so that only "Oh"!

        Ah, let them for a year, in the North what Achoa, do not kick, son, on a call, a year old "Ural" drove around Novaya Zemlya, Rogachi, Beluzhka, quite a man returned to himself, stern and independent soldier
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      4. siberalt
        siberalt 4 October 2015 12: 25
        +1
        Not all people are brainwashed. It is also clear that the outskirts will never build a state on their own. Hence the conclusion: - as prosrali and restore. So what to do? No other is given. Or we, or us.
        Looked at the last Shuster and "Black Mirror". There really is a complete stupor. belay Propaganda stalled.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 4 October 2015 10: 05
    +3
    Quote: Kenji
    The states have achieved that they have a bunch of cannon fodder that can be consumed if a war starts against us,

    The calendar appeared on the network, for Mosca for breakfast ................. now all world democracy will angrily condemn Russian actions and everything like that
    1. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 4 October 2015 10: 33
      +3
      As the extreme Russian emperor Nicholas II liked to say: "Vivifyingly touched!" wassat
  • TOR2
    TOR2 4 October 2015 16: 57
    +1
    Quote: Kenji
    The states have achieved that they have a bunch of cannon fodder that can be consumed if a war starts against us, and they themselves will want to sit back overseas selling weapons to everyone, only now they have nuclear weapons and they can do it.

    Well, why so radical right away. Pieces 300-350 X-101 (102) on the mattress. Well, whatever they were bored there.
  • andj61
    andj61 4 October 2015 19: 38
    0
    "Our goal is democracy" - a poster on the military unit of the Strategic Missile Forces.
  • Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 4 October 2015 00: 12
    26
    The true goal of the United States and the EU in Syria is to destroy statehood and kill President Assad. For this, you can donate 20 million citizens of the country. A villain provoking people to internal conflicts. In Iraq, the population of 36 million people, by the grace of the United States and the EU are fighting among themselves. In Ukraine, 40 million are in the civil war. Libya 7 million people. Yugoslavia has already fought 24 million people. Yemen 25,5 million citizens. Afghanistan has 31 million people. One hundred and ninety million people have been in a civil war over the past 18 years. And this is the direct fault of the United States and its allies. Obama, US and EU NATO leadership needs to be tried in Nuremberg, The Hague, Moscow no matter where. The world needs a new international tribunal. For Israel in Palestine as well.
    1. bif
      bif 4 October 2015 00: 18
      11
      Quote: Andryukha G
      The true goal of the United States and the EU in Syria is to destroy statehood and kill President Assad.

      here difficulties arose ..

      "General Breedlove believes that the" very sophisticated air defense systems "deployed by Russia in Syria are not directed against the Islamic State, which has no aviation at all." They are against someone else, "said the commander-in-chief of NATO forces in Europe.

      "After several years of discussion in the United States of plans to create no-fly zones in Syria to protect rebels and civilians, Vladimir Putin appeared and within a few days created his no-fly zone there.

      In the United States, the two parties argued for a long time and could not agree on the form in which the no-fly zone should be, and Putin just took it and did it, "the author of the Bloonberg article sarcastically notes.

      The Pentagon recognized the scale of the Russian no-fly zone in Syria when it began negotiations with Russia on how to avoid conflicts when conducting its air operations.

      The discussion between the military of the two countries was held on October 1 on a closed video channel and lasted about an hour. On the American side, the assistant secretary of defense for international security, Elissa Slotkin, participated in the negotiations.

      "The discussion was devoted to how the United States and Russia can interact to prevent conflicts in Syria. Such discussions will continue," said White House spokesman Josh Ernest following the talks.

      It is also known that Elissa Slotkin expressed concern at the talks that Russia is launching air strikes not only against Islamic State militants, but also against other terrorist groups, which the United States considers to be "moderate opposition to Assad" and is supporting them.

      What the representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Russia answered to this is literally unknown, but apparently, the general meaning was as follows: "We do not understand the varieties of g ... we do not understand. Therefore, we will put under the hammers all who shoot at the soldiers of the legitimate government of Syria, at whose request we are here."..."

      http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/105524/
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 4 October 2015 12: 35
        0
        ... "They are against someone else," said the commander-in-chief of NATO forces in Europe.
        I think here the aim is for two purposes: 1. to beat the bearded 2. not to allow Assad to carry out bombing.
    2. jktu66
      jktu66 4 October 2015 00: 29
      0
      One hundred and ninety million citizens in the last 18 years are in a state of civil war. And this is the direct fault of the United States and its allies.
      Why wine? The success of their policies. Nothing changed in the last 3000 years, when Rome proclaimed the principle of such a policy: "Divide and conquer!"
      1. Beaver
        Beaver 4 October 2015 14: 47
        0
        Quote: jktu66
        Why wine? The success of their policies. Nothing changed in the last 3000 years, when Rome proclaimed the principle of such a policy: "Divide and conquer!"

        Good comparison. Western Rome at one time also "nightmares" the entire oecumene, climbed everywhere with its instructions, destroyed unwanted rulers, plundered entire states. In short, the United States is its worthy successors and successors, which, in fact, they do not hide, and somewhere they are even proud of it.
  • skifd
    skifd 4 October 2015 00: 49
    0
    Ma.trassy diligently drown Europe by placing missile defense systems and nuclear weapons there, making it a hostage. But in any case, a "limited nuclear conflict" will not work. On the other hand, they force them to scatter forces and resources for the defense of Russia's close borders. that is far from ice ... Well, okay. Although using AO is a suicide, I don't think that in the near future someone will decide on it. But now there is an opportunity to understand both the striped and especially the fact that the Black Sea has been "dug", what can happen if Russia is really at war with someone. Albeit with limited funds (VKO).
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 12: 39
      0
      Quote: skifd
      The main routes diligently stoke Europe by deploying missile defense systems and nuclear weapons there, making it a hostage

      The Anglo-Saxons need a big war on a continent other than the United States.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 16: 24
        0
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Quote: skifd
        The main routes diligently stoke Europe by deploying missile defense systems and nuclear weapons there, making it a hostage

        The Anglo-Saxons need a big war on a continent other than the United States.

        Except North America, naturally.
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  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 4 October 2015 00: 59
    +4
    With the education and brains of politicians in the West, it’s getting worse and worse ... you can deploy missile defense systems on the border ... deploy missiles in England ... BUT a blow to the United States will be the same in all cases stipulated by the doctrine ... and from clean Europe will definitely have nothing left ... and for the sake of what it is asked ... It is necessary to come to an agreement with a state with nuclear capabilities and delivery systems ... and respect its interests ...
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 4 October 2015 09: 06
      +2
      "We need to negotiate with a state with a nuclear potential and means of delivery ..."
      smart politicians understand this, and American hopes to sit overseas.
  • venaya
    venaya 4 October 2015 01: 01
    +5
    Now the most important thing is to ensure the secret placement of both ICBMs and medium-range missiles. It would be nice to place plausible models of such missiles all over the country.

    Given the peculiarity of only our country, and the largest in the world, besides the sparsely populated territory, it is not only expedient, but also very beneficial from the point of view of the military economy to ensure the secrecy of real warheads and in some sense their layouts. And this factor is not at all unimportant. No one in the world has such advantages and cannot have one, and it is advisable to use it to the maximum extent.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 October 2015 09: 52
      +1
      In the future, they can make a strategic hypersonic cruise missile with a firing range of 5000 kilometers, which can be placed on an ordinary trailer and you can find it among hundreds of thousands of wagons plying throughout Russia.
  • Aleksandr2012
    Aleksandr2012 4 October 2015 01: 41
    +2
    Those who are now in the US government really have little brains, but all of them are only temporary hired managers. Those who have more brains behind them, but something went wrong!
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 October 2015 02: 50
    +4
    American troops arriving now in Eastern Europe automatically become hostages of irresponsible politicians

    Yes, Americans have half the world hostage. When it gets hot they quickly evacuate whoever is needed, and do not give a damn about the rest. But European politicians should think for a long time about the fact that is it necessary for the sake of a great desire to please the United States to substitute their people?
  • Funnels
    Funnels 4 October 2015 04: 13
    +8
    And all of us draw a "red line". Maybe it's time for us to carry it out, if you do it, we will deploy missiles and bombers in Venezuela and Cuba. Karaganov said correctly yesterday: Russia played by the rules for 20 years, with an eye on the world community, and was good and obedient. Now we played according to the rules that our "friends" play by, and they all howled - it’s not fair, it’s impossible.
    1. venaya
      venaya 4 October 2015 05: 04
      +1
      Quote: Funnels
      And all of us draw a "red line". ... Russia played by the rules for 20 years, with an eye on the world community, and was good and obedient. Now we have played according to the rules our "friends" play by, and they all howled — it’s not fair, it’s impossible.

      That would be to find out where to be and from whom it consists global community continue to find out from someone regulations. And then all this is covered in a terrible, impenetrable fog so that no one understands anything, and accordingly, in complete bewilderment, inactive. Talented, you will not say anything.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 October 2015 06: 22
    +3
    Apparently the Europeans believe that once the missiles. released from their territory are American, then the Europeans themselves will not get anything. Like "what have we got to do with it?"
    And it would be necessary to explain to them that our missiles will work ahead of schedule in order to prevent the launch of their missiles.
    Factories and cities can be destroyed and not worth it, but it’s definitely worth it to properly iron the entire military and transport infrastructure. Although who will look there ...
  • jekasimf
    jekasimf 4 October 2015 08: 12
    -2
    What the author calls for, namely, to mask missiles as civilian ships, vehicles, etc. It is immoral. It is precisely this that will explain the causes of attacks on civilian objects in the event of a conflict. Moreover, any objects .....
    Nuuuu, perhaps, I agree with the need for BRD.
    1. Angry orc
      Angry orc 4 October 2015 09: 54
      +1
      But is it not immoral to burn cities with millionaires in a nuclear flame? When any enemy does not know the location of the missiles and knows that he will receive a decent response, then only the mentally ill of whom, unfortunately, will start a war a lot
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 October 2015 10: 03
      0
      We need a cheaper way to counter all of these warhead missile ICBM warheads and bombs, to now create an electronic warfare system like Mercury, only much more powerful so that it can disable all the electronics for several thousand kilometers in range and height - it’s real.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 4 October 2015 10: 10
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        so that she could disable all the electronics for several thousand kilometers in range and height - it’s real.

        And mine including? wink

        It is quite possible to turn all high-precision weapons into expensive rubbish by shooting down a dozen GPS satellites.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 October 2015 20: 51
          0
          It will be against the main parts of the ICBMs, and they won’t be put out of action, to put these systems right off the border, and in case of war they will turn everything on at once.
        2. Disant
          Disant 5 October 2015 23: 49
          0
          what do you propose to shoot them in high orbits and how long will it take?
  • Million
    Million 4 October 2015 08: 16
    +1
    Yeltsin and Gorbachev need to be judged! And it doesn’t matter that one is already sick and the other is on the way
  • Bakht
    Bakht 4 October 2015 08: 54
    +5
    This is not psychiatry, but politics. So everything is fine with the complexes
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 4 October 2015 09: 30
    +3
    Unreasonable, from the point of view of ensuring the safety of Western citizens, actions are explained by the fact that their actions are based on a purely financial result - they get rich by robbing the "democratized" countries, therefore, the basis of their policy is finance and economic management of other countries under the guise of liberality, compliance with international norms (invented by the states), recommendations of the IMF, etc. and fooling the population of the ward countries with the help of the media.
    The dollar is the stool that the United States stands on, it seems to be standing high, but if you beat this stool out, it will be hanging in a loop that will strangle them.
    In order to stop pressure on the whole world, it is necessary to abandon the dollar, replacing the currency with energy in international trade, which will make equal exchange of goods for different countries, and let all printed dollars provide the United States with their goods, then they will find themselves in a deep economic hole.
    The only question is that for the elites of most countries of the world their own well-being, built on participation in the world game with the inflation of the dollar bubble, is more expensive than the world, more expensive than the existence of individual countries and all civilization.
  • akudr48
    akudr48 4 October 2015 10: 43
    0
    God grant that Washington and Moscow had the wisdom not to use nuclear weapons.

    Enough to create a nuclear weapon, and enough for the right decision on its use.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 4 October 2015 12: 13
    0
    A reasonable question arises: how should the Russian Federation react to such military preparations by the United States and its European allies?


    I hope the work on the ROC "Skif" - KANYON is being carried out at an accelerated pace.
    They will receive pendoshkans "asymmetric response")))

    http://dokwar.ru/publ/vooruzhenie/pvo_i_rvsn/novejshaja_ballisticheskaja_raketa_
    skif / 16-1-0-768
  • Fight cat
    Fight cat 4 October 2015 12: 47
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    On June 8, 2015, the head of the British Foreign Ministry, Philip Hammond, said that against the backdrop of an aggravation of relations with Russia, Britain was ready to consider the deployment of US nuclear missiles on its territory. “We would consider this issue. If he was on the agenda, we would make a decision together with the United States. We need to send Russia a clear signal that we will not allow them to cross the red line, ”the minister said.

    the Britons have forgotten how Americans have already lost the atomic bomb on the island! lol

    February 28, 1958. UK airbase near Newbury

    During take-off, the engine broke down on a US Air Force B-47 aircraft. To save him, two fuel tanks, located at the ends of the wings, were dropped from a height of 2500 meters. One of them exploded at a distance of 20 meters from another aircraft of the same type, standing in the parking lot, on board of which there were three nuclear charges. The fire resulting from this and lasting about 16 hours caused the explosion of explosives (BB) of at least one charge, the destruction of the bomber, the death of two people and eight others injured. Fire and explosion resulted in the release of plutonium and highly enriched uranium. However, the US Air Force and the British Department of Defense did not recognize that nuclear weapons were present in the incident. Although two scientists discovered significant contamination of the area with nuclear materials near the air base back in 1960, their secret report was not released until 1996 (Shaun, 1990; Broken Arrow, 1996; Hansen, 2001).


    and this is what is supposedly in total, during the years of the Cold War about 50 nuclear warheads were lost, and far from all of them remained lying in uninhabited areas. soldier
  • Raptor_RB
    Raptor_RB 4 October 2015 14: 36
    +3
    He devoted 5 years to work on compliance with the implementation of the INF and START-1 treaties in the field as a technical inspector. It's a shame to see how, in general, a good security system created by these agreements is being destroyed before our eyes. The ISMD with SM-3 interceptors and our cruise missiles, and, most likely, ballistic missiles on the Iskander no longer exist. The provisions of the latest strategic offensive arms are still being maintained, but they are also actually at the maximum (maximum) values ​​for warheads and delivery vehicles, a very rapid build-up of both is possible beyond the limits. What to say? A furry northern inhabitant, having smelled a sharp smell of kerosene, seems to have woken up and his shadow against the background of the polar sun will soon cover the whole world. It's a shame the human race is never destined to become galactic. Very sorry. Where did our partners get such a desire for total self-destruction?
  • IAlex
    IAlex 4 October 2015 15: 38
    -1
    And who bothers to ask Bashar al-Assad for 100 square kilometers of territory on the border of Syria and Turkey, creating a temporary state "Muhos * Ransk", then hire mercenaries to attack Turkey from this, then send weapons to the mercenaries, then officially declare that the United States through Turkey will deliver an atomic strike on Mukhos * nsk in two weeks, detonate an atomic charge at Mukhos * Ransk in a week, and then start supplying atomic weapons to Mukhos * rank to strike Turkey ...
  • Bongo
    Bongo 4 October 2015 15: 40
    +4
    The appearance of American medium-range missiles in England automatically terminates the agreement on the elimination of medium and short-range missiles, signed by the USA and the USSR

    With all my deep respect for Alexander Borisovich Shirokorad (the author of this publication), it is difficult to agree with this. No. Alexander Borisovich, Au ... Please tell me what kind of missiles (type) are the Americans capable of deploying in Europe in the short term?
    Or this very "patriotic" passage:
    In the time of Yeltsin, such a plan had a good chance of success. However, quite a lot of the latest long-range anti-aircraft systems, the C-300 and C-400, have now been deployed in the Russian Federation, and the C-2016 is expected to enter service in 500.
    Alexander Borisovich, you as a historian undoubtedly know how many medium- and long-range air defense systems (air defense systems) of medium and long range were deployed 20 years ago and how many now. Why dissemble? As for C-500 in the next year, I personally would really like this, but alas ...
    1. andj61
      andj61 4 October 2015 19: 52
      +2
      Quote: Bongo
      Alexander Borisovich, you as a historian undoubtedly know how many medium- and long-range air defense systems (air defense systems) of medium and long range were deployed 20 years ago and how many now. Why dissemble? As for C-500 in the next year, I personally would really like this, but alas ...

      good If at the present time on the basis of the S-300 and S-400 we achieve at least 30% of the air defense effectiveness that was in 1990 on the basis of the S-75, S-125, S-200 and a small number of the first S-300s, then this well! And in the 90s, our air defense was simply demolished, now there is no radar coverage of the country. But in addition to the territory of your country, it is necessary to provide coverage outside the country, at least for 1000 - 1500 km.
      Yes, and it’s worth considering - where we used to have an air defense brigade — a brigade, now, at best — a division. Air defense now covers only certain objects, and in the case of the Soviet Socialist Republic - entire territory, and individual objects - in a special way.
      The S-500 will not change much, and it is intended primarily to protect against ballistic missiles
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 5 October 2015 02: 10
        +3
        Quote: andj61
        If at the present time on the basis of С-300 and С-400, at least 30% of the air defense efficiency achieved in 1990 on the basis of С-75, С-125, С-200 and a small number of the first С-300 is achieved, then this OK!

        I have to disappoint you even in this, more than half of the existing long-range air defense systems are Soviet-built S-300PS (produced since 1983). Unlike the S-300PM, whose supplies to their own army ceased in 1996 (after only for export), the S-300PS were not seriously modernized, at best they underwent refurbishment without increasing their combat characteristics. The main part (about 90%) of the S-300PM (PM2) until recently was deployed around Moscow and St. Petersburg. Most of the S-300PS are to be written off in the near future due to wear and tear. Earlier S-300PTs are no longer in the army, they have been written off or transferred "for storage." As for the S-400 (20 armored personnel carriers), in terms of their current capabilities they are slightly superior to the S-300PM2, tk. there are no new long-range missiles for them in the units yet.
    2. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 7 October 2015 02: 43
      +2
      Quote: Bongo
      With all due respect to Alexander Borisovich Shirokorad (the author of this publication) it is difficult to agree with this. no Alexander Borisovich, Au ... Please tell me which missiles (type) can Americans deploy in Europe in the short term?

      Quote: Bongo
      With all due respect to Alexander Borisovich Shirokorad (the author of this publication) it is difficult to agree with this. no Alexander Borisovich, Au ... Please tell me which missiles (type) can Americans deploy in Europe in the short term?

      We did not wait for the Shirokorad’s response, apparently it is below his dignity. request A pity could have an interesting conversation.
  • Whowhy
    Whowhy 4 October 2015 18: 55
    0
    In the United States, there is a plan to destroy civilization on the Eurasian continent. They hope that they can sit out at home and not be too affected by radiation. But after 50 years, it will already be possible to send criminals here for mining, and after 100 years, and begin to settle ...
    Thus, it is advantageous for them to pit Russia with Europe, and even better with China, in the guise of, so to speak, flailing nuclear charges on both sides (but under the guise that they themselves have fought), and then everything will go by itself, and the Americans will sit at yourself and rejoice. And for those who remain, also add.
  • Erg
    Erg 4 October 2015 23: 46
    +1
    Well, what I want to say ... All this mouse fuss around the nucleus, the European missile defense system and other nonsense is not serious. International hypocrisy has already reached the point where it allows itself to speculate about "humane" or "non-humane" destruction of people ... It doesn't fit in my head. If I were the president of Russia, then in negotiations with the United States in a closed format, I would say that if "the heat starts," I will be forced to use bacteriological and chemical weapons. I hope that Russia has not suspended work in this direction. Let's see then who will need their green papers, and who they will rule there as a "world predictor". I am touched by the position of Europe (in fact, potential deceased), when it hangs its ears and listens to the Illuminati that missile defense will ensure their safety. What about the United States ... They are well aware that the most gentle way to their existence is through the North Pole and the Pacific Ocean. For such a missile defense, with all my "respect" for them, they will not have enough money ... I would give a lot to find out what was discussed in Paris in a closed format, and what (and with whom, I guess) rattled Merkel, running out of the room every five minutes, as if she had incontinence ...
  • 97110
    97110 5 October 2015 09: 19
    +1
    A reasonable question arises: how should the Russian Federation react to such military preparations by the United States and its European allies?
    Without diminishing the importance of the measures proposed by the Author, I consider it absolutely necessary to warn about the inevitable infliction of a thermonuclear strike precisely on the areas of the most populated parts of the South Caucasus in case of a war with their allies. As Russia, in the American way, is "to blame for everything," let us make all Americans to blame for the actions of their allies who have chosen an "exclusive" leadership for themselves.
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 5 October 2015 10: 37
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    But we still need to erase the coasts of Australia, New Zealand and other Omerzikos island henchmen from the face of the planet. So that the "golden" billion have no illusions that they can sit out on any islands.
    Moreover, regardless of the onset of the conflict and in any scenario, it is necessary to destroy small-shavens among the first. Those. if it comes to nuclear war, English women should know that no matter who starts it, no matter how events unfold - a nuclear strike on the Naglia will be unconditional, unconditional and powerful.
    1. Erg
      Erg 5 October 2015 22: 44
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      This is not a "war" for them with Hitler ... Where the "valiant" British did not allow themselves to be conquered. Warriors, mlyn ... wassat
  • 56_br
    56_br 5 October 2015 16: 34
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    These Western partners are probably worms, everyone fidget and fidget.
  • Old26
    Old26 5 October 2015 22: 28
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    Quote: TOR2
    Pieces 300-350 X-101 (102) on the mattress. Well, whatever they were bored there.

    Excellent. Do you want a few thousand "Axes" in return? What a habit of proposing stupid solutions without expecting the enemy to respond as well. Or do you think they will sit and watch as three hundred Russian cruise missiles destroy their country ????