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The meeting of the "Norman Four" started in Paris

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In Paris, the meeting of the “Norman Four” started - Vladimir Putin, Angela Merkel, Francois Hollande and Petro Poroshenko. The first stage of negotiations is held, as they say, in the open air. The negotiations concern the settlement of the situation in Ukraine and, specifically, the implementation of the Minsk agreements. From the official report press service President of Russia:




Before the start of negotiations in a four-sided format, the Russian leader met with the head of France Hollande. Negotiations were held behind closed doors. It is reported that a number of issues were discussed with the participation of Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Russian Ambassador to France Alexander Orlov, and Presidential Aide Yury Ushakov.

After the meeting with Hollande, Vladimir Putin held a bilateral meeting with Angela Merkel. Poroshenko was not “face to face” with the Russian president.

Meanwhile, a few hours before the arrival of Petro Poroshenko in Paris, the Ukrainian media said that "Vladimir Putin is looking for (already? ..) meetings with the President of Ukraine."

Photo published by the press secretary of Poroshenko Poroshenko Svyatoslav Tsegolko in Twitter:

The meeting of the "Norman Four" started in Paris


And this is a completely different photo. - "Again deuce" ...

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  1. Ruthless
    Ruthless 2 October 2015 18: 19 New
    +20
    It is time to expand the fifth point to Waltzman ... am bully
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 2 October 2015 18: 24 New
      +49
      As promised, I will throw the continuation of the situation in Donetsk.

      Overview of the situation in Donetsk
      Part II


      Regarding the economic and food situation:
      Last year, when the front was still in the area of ​​Slavyansk and Lysychansk, the situation was normal, as before the war, the only thing was that the dollar jumped to 13-15. Later, after the front began to move towards Donetsk, our food situation began to deteriorate greatly. In June, the first banks began to close; the last bank, Sberbank of Russia, held until early July. Later we were declared a food and financial blockade. ATMs did not work, banks did not work, terminals did not. Many firms and enterprises have become, they are also served in banks. And then it got really bad. Even if someone was paid a salary, due to the closure of banks and ATMs, he could not withdraw them. And the columns of buses with pensioners and those workers for whom the salary was still accrued stretched to Ukraine for their earned money. Someone was afraid to go and did not take it, for example, I went in the autumn and took my pension for 4 months. Someone registered there in Ukraine, for bribes, pension funds in other areas registered pensioners as local residents. Let me remind you that Russia began to help pensioners and mothers with young children only in March 2015. In general, it was still possible to go pick up salaries and pensions. As after the election, Zakharchenko said: “This is your pension, take it from Ukraine, while there is still an opportunity.” In December, pensioners were paid 500 UAH each. (1500 rubles).
      But here everyone forgets about working people, someone lost his job, someone else worked, but the enterprise could not pay salaries, someone managed to travel and get salaries in other regions of Ukraine. But after the fall, it became very tight with work. Well they are not pensioners and do not have the ability to travel and rent. And what is there to shoot? So I paid 200 hryvnias for one trip to remove 1121 hryvnias. what do you want to do? There is no work, I have to take my pension to ride. You go through 2 blocks of the militia and 6 checkpoints of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the National Guard and the Right Sector.
      Therefore, the columns of healthy men and women were drawn to Russia, someone working in their specialty, someone who was neck to relatives, someone to the neck of the Russian budget. And of course, every crime reached out, because in Donetsk the militia quickly dealt with them ...
      We have about 5% -10% of pensioners so they did not take their pensions, I don’t know what they lived on, maybe relatives helped, maybe they fed on humanitarian aid. The humanitarian aid has been issued since the age of 65, as well as retirement. And be you 64 years old - goodbye. If I am not mistaken, 83 pensioners officially died of starvation in the winter. In March, Russia began to help even financially and began to pay pensions to us in all categories - by age, military pensioners, and people with disabilities. But mommies sing until May have not been paid yet. This of course saved people from hunger, for which many thanks to Russia. Although for a moment we are not her pensioners and not in her budget paid taxes.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 2 October 2015 21: 04 New
        +5
        Merkel and oland are talking nonsense at the press conference like two-man students at the USE, waiting for Putin to speak, but instead of these it’s better to neigh with offal.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 3 October 2015 04: 25 New
          +3
          Putin flew away without a press conference .. it’s not typical for him, that means that something went wrong in the negotiations, and everything else that just bursts on TV
          1. Sasha 19871987
            Sasha 19871987 3 October 2015 07: 48 New
            0
            I don’t see our reason to go there especially, Putin has a lot to do without him, let the soul-makers and Germans report better, otherwise he made a little SOMALI with the help of amers from a beautiful country, and it’s to disentangle Putin again ...
          2. hydrox
            hydrox 3 October 2015 09: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Putin flew away without a press conference .. this is not characteristic of him


            Looks like there’s nothing to brag about ...
            I just can’t understand how this “trump” four failed to beat the “mattress” six. Or are there all the cheating sixes gathered, if Putin in this game could not do anything against them?
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      3. Tor5
        Tor5 2 October 2015 22: 06 New
        +7
        Again, Lord Sith, a very truthful honest and strong first-hand comment. Thank!
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    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 2 October 2015 18: 24 New
      +61
      Part III

      About the products. In 2014, we still had the opportunity to go to the cottages, with relatives. Now it’s very difficult to defend several hours at checkpoints, and besides, buses are not allowed. Someone had “closers” in the basements and old stocks, they ate that. As I wrote above, not everyone went to apply for a Ukrainian pension, and there was not a Russian one yet, and not everyone has 65 years to receive humanitarian aid.
      Now, after the ruble was set free, food prices climbed up. And if in the shops the administration of the republics is trying to fight, then in the market it is useless. Although in the first week of price checks, fines of 600 thousand rubles were issued. However, prices have climbed up. And we have salaries and pensions at the Ukrainian level. And food products are bought in Russia because of the blockade, and the cost of living is higher there and prices are higher. At first, a year ago, retail chains began to close en masse. Not everyone can give bribes of UAH 20 thousand at Ukrainian block posts. from the car. Some networks were closed due to shelling. The first consignments of Russian products began to arrive of poor quality, apparently they took what was cheaper, so that prices would not scare us at all. Mayonnaise, milk, cheeses, juices were of poor quality. But as they say in the conditions of the blockade, we do not sort out grubs. Now the situation has begun to level off, higher-quality products began to appear, but the prices, respectively, are much higher. It was very good when it was possible to defend at the block posts and go to the village, but bring potatoes or sugar, butter and milk there. But here it happened, how lucky. There were cases of Ukrainian Nazis pouring food directly onto the asphalt. So you go along the highway and you see sugar, all the potatoes are poured.
      Now, with better products and pensions, many receive two each, although what kind of pensions is 1000-2500 UAH? We try not to delay and pay rent for utility bills. There are always two lines in the opened branches of the republican bank - pensioners and those who came to pay for the rent. We have DNR books for payment, and some people think we are paying Ukraine.
      Now the whole city was rolled into new asphalt. Even in the yards where there have been holes for years. Utilities began to work better. And the police, by the way, too.
      I went to retire, I had to live with my relatives for a month. I looked like in Ukraine and like ours. There are holes in the pit, trees in cities were cut down for firewood. Mass unemployment, gas prices, electricity, water skyrocketed to where 200% where all 400%. Products are cheaper than ours, but also growing. In pharmacies, there is also a shortage of drugs. We had a problem with pharmacies, but now it is normalizing little by little. In Ukraine, the number of murders and armed robberies has greatly increased. That Ukrainians themselves recognize all this. In general, in conditions of freezing conflict, time plays for us. We are slowly opening enterprises and smoothing the situation with products. In Ukraine, on the contrary.
      In November A. Zakharchenko promised to index pensions and payments to mothers by 30%. Let's hope for the best. I wish you all health and all the best!
      1. Funnels
        Funnels 2 October 2015 18: 46 New
        +21
        Thank you, Vladyka, I always read your messages with interest, otherwise I haven’t been communicating with “relatives” from Lysychansk for more than a year, I’m personification of all the world's evil.
        Life is slowly getting better. I wish you health and good luck.
        1. demo
          demo 2 October 2015 21: 11 New
          +9
          It is scary when native blood becomes an enemy. Sorry.
      2. avt
        avt 2 October 2015 18: 53 New
        +20
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        In November A. Zakharchenko promised to index pensions and payments to mothers by 30%. Let's hope for the best. I wish you all health and all the best!

        Good luck and health! And patience. Special thanks for the specific information from the earth. Of course, it’s hard for you - unlike Ukraine, in the Donbass and Lugansk there was exactly a REVOLUTION, and this always and at all times scrapped the system with significant costs. God forbid that local leaders will understand that everything can be done with bayonets, but you can’t sit on them and will seriously fulfill the promise to the population. Russia will certainly help. But communal services in LDNR are really HEROES, so keeping the brand under fire is something! This is really HEROISM quiet and inconspicuous, akin to the work of sappers in the war, and in fact they are there, and even without weapons at all!
        Quote: Castor
        I wanted to read: "The Russian president met Poroshenko" right in the eye. "

        Yeah, after which Poros will be declared the all-great one-eyed hetman of Urina. wassat
        1. Dmitry Ukraine
          Dmitry Ukraine 2 October 2015 22: 33 New
          +10
          In confirmation of your words about communal services, I can say that during the battles for Slavyansk / Kramatorsk, they and the fighters of the Ministry of Emergency Situations did everything to ensure that people had light, water, even garbage removed on time - and this is all under fire. Despite the fact that their salaries were always far from even the average level, and at that time they were unlikely to receive them at all ...
          1. Aljavad
            Aljavad 3 October 2015 03: 06 New
            +8
            In confirmation of your words about communal services, I can say that during the battles for Slavyansk / Kramatorsk, they and the fighters of the Ministry of Emergency Situations did everything to ensure that people had light, water, even garbage removed on time - and this is all under fire. Despite the fact that their salaries were always far from even the average level, and at that time they were unlikely to receive them at all ...


            And I remember aunts with brooms. In 2014, after the start of the shelling. Came out and sweep the streets. "Schaub mustache seen, sho life goes on!"

            May God grant health and patience to the whole Donbass!
      3. katalonec2014
        katalonec2014 2 October 2015 19: 19 New
        +22
        It’s hard for you now, the pension is just a meager 500 hryvnias, we spend that kind of money for one visit to the store, and even on the condition that we don’t take anything special. No wonder they say no worse than living during the great changes. It remains to be hoped for the best everything will be adjusted over time, in the soul realizing that the fairy tale does not soon affect.
        Strength and health to you, and most importantly patience.
        Sincerely, Alexander.Vladivostok.
      4. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 2 October 2015 20: 56 New
        +7
        In the second photo, Peter Alekseevich seems to have put in his pants.
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 3 October 2015 03: 08 New
          +2
          In the second photo, Peter Alekseevich seems to have put in his pants.

          He was born that way (reserved), only hiding ...
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      5. Tor5
        Tor5 2 October 2015 22: 11 New
        +6
        Thank you, dear Friend, from a Russian pensioner! Honestly, directly and without snot.
      6. 2s1122
        2s1122 3 October 2015 10: 47 New
        +1
        This is the information directly from the Donetsk Republic. Without victorious relativistic, simple and affordable.
    3. Beaver
      Beaver 2 October 2015 18: 25 New
      +19
      The Russian president did not meet Poroshenko “face to face”.

      I wanted to read: "The Russian president met Poroshenko" right in the eye. " angry
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 2 October 2015 18: 46 New
        +4
        Quote: Castor
        The Russian president did not meet Poroshenko “face to face”.

        I wanted to read: "The Russian president met Poroshenko" right in the eye. " angry


        Well, many would have a face-to-face talk with him, and with Yanyk too ... but they want Petyunya more ...
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 2 October 2015 18: 51 New
          +7
          Quote: vorobey
          but they want Petyunya more ...

          Stop, Sanya, I want more girls than Petyunya smile , Hi.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 2 October 2015 19: 33 New
            +9
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Quote: vorobey
            but they want Petyunya more ...

            Stop, Sanya, I want more girls than Petyunya smile , Hi.


            Hi Zheka ... I also like girls ... want to Mona in different ways ... tell me you don’t want to pretend to be a Buryat shaman for a while to knock a tambourine in Petin ...? laughing
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 2 October 2015 19: 43 New
              +6
              Quote: vorobey
              you don’t want to pretend to be a Buryat shaman at least for a short while to knock a tambourine in Petin ...?

              Not Buryat, but Yakut, I still was born there smile , and not just knock, but sing a raven’s song. laughing
              1. your1970
                your1970 2 October 2015 21: 23 New
                0
                peck ??????
              2. vorobey
                vorobey 2 October 2015 22: 54 New
                +4
                Quote: Vladimirets
                and perform the song of the raven


                This is when in the dance the strokes of the tambourine with the heel and the knee alternate? wink
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets 3 October 2015 00: 14 New
                  +3
                  Quote: vorobey
                  This is when in the dance the strokes of the tambourine with the heel and the knee alternate?

                  Almost, this is when at the end of the song with the tibia of an elk they beat a tambourine. yes
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 3 October 2015 00: 20 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Vladimirets

                    Almost, this is when at the end of the song with the tibia of an elk they beat a tambourine.

                    Well yes
              3. Aljavad
                Aljavad 3 October 2015 03: 11 New
                0
                sing a crow song


                And better - woodpecker. Soundier and more distinct ... good
            2. 2s1122
              2s1122 3 October 2015 11: 01 New
              0
              Why is it better for a Buryat shaman to be a voodoo sorcerer? The possibilities are not limited, so you do it better.
      2. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 2 October 2015 20: 43 New
        +1
        Why dishonor fists, spit in the face enough ...
        Quote: Castor
        The Russian president did not meet Poroshenko “face to face”.

        I wanted to read: "The Russian president met Poroshenko" right in the eye. " angry
    4. st25310
      st25310 2 October 2015 18: 25 New
      +8
      Merkel, Oland and Poroshenko read a prayer to Allah together. But Putin recalls the phrase Lavrov.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 2 October 2015 18: 36 New
        +13
        On photo:
        Putin generally talks to his friend! (ignoring this trinity) laughing
        And Merkel gestures to the waiter: "pour already Parashenka!, Otherwise his hands are shaking and farts"
        1. Hariva
          Hariva 2 October 2015 18: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: Baikonur
          On photo:
          Putin generally talks to his friend! (ignoring this trinity) laughing
          And Merkel gestures to the waiter: "pour already Parashenka!, Otherwise his hands are shaking and farts"

          By the way, the nose in the photo is red. Crap?)))
          1. Hariva
            Hariva 2 October 2015 18: 51 New
            +1
            The camera is clearly aimed at GDP. The remaining individuals, the world press, are of little interest ...
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 2 October 2015 19: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: Hariva
              The camera is clearly aimed at GDP.

              No, it’s just the press secretary of Petro Poroshenko Svyatoslav Tsegolko intuitively drawn to the strongest, so he stood behind him, at the level of animal instincts. yes
              1. Hariva
                Hariva 2 October 2015 19: 37 New
                +1
                So I'm talking about the background. There, the pretzel from the knee clicks.
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets 2 October 2015 19: 45 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Hariva
                  So I'm talking about the background. There, the pretzel from the knee clicks.

                  Ahhh, that I didn’t notice, so they overlaid. laughing
    5. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 2 October 2015 18: 27 New
      +2
      Yes, there Lyashko works every day, as in a garden. And they say that the old horse does not spoil the furrow. Spoiled, prankster.
      1. ssn18
        ssn18 2 October 2015 18: 55 New
        +1
        Well, about Lyashka, you’ll know, the doctor knows better. laughing
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    7. sever.56
      sever.56 2 October 2015 18: 27 New
      +12
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/543/wfen366.png
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    9. Cherdak
      Cherdak 2 October 2015 18: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: ***
      The Russian leader met with ...


      It all reminds me of a Japanese with their demand for islands ... look at

      http://coub.com/view/8dlct
    10. shark
      shark 2 October 2015 18: 29 New
      +2
      He is not afraid of flaring. He prepared. The painkiller accepted. The crimson-blue nose is the central point of the photograph. He sits, waits. When they begin to pour
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 2 October 2015 18: 40 New
        +2
        Photo posted by the press secretary of Petro Poroshenko Svyatoslav Tsegolko on Twitter:

        Probably going to “point” to play! And it "plays" only with Poroshenko! wassat
      2. ssn18
        ssn18 2 October 2015 18: 57 New
        +1
        This is what kind of flaring. And if with an aspen stake, yes at 59?
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 2 October 2015 20: 43 New
          +2
          Sorry, a little off topic. From the "Humor" section.
          Svidomitov completely went roof ......... they want to return to Ukraine nuclear weapons !!!
          https://petition.president.gov.ua/petition/12201
  2. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 2 October 2015 18: 21 New
    +3
    Well, it started ... "in the open air" "face to face" Uncle Petya and Aunt Merkel have a beer hangover ... now heresy will begin - we are bad, we will again have sanctions ... Think up the rest yourself, there’ll be nothing new
  3. fa2998
    fa2998 2 October 2015 18: 21 New
    +1
    Merkel offers a little "crank"? lol drinks hi
  4. vovanpain
    vovanpain 2 October 2015 18: 22 New
    +13
    Our president doesn’t drink, what for he needs an alcoholic, he promises from three boxes, and then he doesn’t do anything.
  5. sl22277
    sl22277 2 October 2015 18: 22 New
    +2
    If only the situation in Ukraine would be resolved to the end. This gimp lasts so much, everyone is already tired of it. Poroshenko no one offers to split the country. Ukraine will remain unified, just the DPR and LPR will have a special status.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 2 October 2015 20: 47 New
      +3
      Do not settle. Until Ukraine joins the Eurasian Union (“even with a carcass, even with a scarecrow”), the situation will not be resolved. If we needed only the Donbass, we would have long been recognized, or joined. We need Ukraine completely.
  6. svp67
    svp67 2 October 2015 18: 22 New
    +6
    An extra reason to respect the GDP, he is alone again, against three ... I wonder how much this “trinity” is enough ... Last time they gave up, after 18 hours.
  7. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 2 October 2015 18: 23 New
    +11
    What most turns out at international meetings at Parashenko is building tragic grimaces!
  8. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 2 October 2015 18: 23 New
    +6
    The picture shows that Poroshenko sits swollen, like a cat cornered. And most importantly, do not fling it, he will still do dirty tricks, and then press his ears. Such is the fate of corrupt pathetic little souls.
    1. ssn18
      ssn18 2 October 2015 19: 00 New
      +3
      Well, actually, a disgusting cat was always cut off its tail. So I think it can chop off the ears.
  9. Old warrior
    Old warrior 2 October 2015 18: 25 New
    +1
    Yes ..... Campaign at Parasha-vashche .... parasha !!!! lol
  10. Hubun
    Hubun 2 October 2015 18: 28 New
    +1
    than this time Poroshenko will wave
    1. ssn18
      ssn18 2 October 2015 19: 03 New
      +4
      And what did his compatriots wave at the UNGA until they were kicked out of there? Leaky flag. Yaka kraina, such and ensign! (What a country, such a flag!)
    2. svp67
      svp67 2 October 2015 19: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Hubun
      than this time Poroshenko will wave

      Well, apparently, an advertisement for the Roshen factory ... I couldn’t sell it, although I promised it, it would raise sales of products.
  11. Krasmash
    Krasmash 2 October 2015 18: 32 New
    +4
    The point of this four is to get together. The Girtrest said that there would be no agreements. And they hugged with Olanda like two homosexuals. Only there was no French kiss, illogical, given the country of residence.
  12. mamont5
    mamont5 2 October 2015 18: 33 New
    +4
    "The Russian president has not met with Poroshenko face-to-face."

    Naturally, what is the point in a serious conversation with the "ass". Yes, and disgusting, I think ...
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 2 October 2015 18: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: mamont5
      "The Russian president has not met with Poroshenko face-to-face."

      Naturally, what is the point in a serious conversation with the "ass". Yes, and disgusting, I think ...


      The leaders of Ukraine and Russia Petro Poroshenko and Vladimir Putin shook hands tightly before the start of the "Norman negotiations" in Paris.
      German Chancellor Angela Merkel invited opponents to shake hands. Opposite her was the president of France, François Hollande.
      It is noteworthy that during the handshake, the head of the Ukrainian state played with jelly, and Putin showed a good mood.
      It should be noted that the handshake of Poroshenko and Putin during the Minsk talks in February 2015 also “moderated” Merkel.
      It is expected that today's talks of the Quartet will be faster than the previous ones, which lasted all night. According to experts, the meeting is aimed at “saving” the “Minsk Agreements”, and the main topic of negotiations is the elections in the Donbass.
      1. dimunder
        dimunder 2 October 2015 21: 30 New
        0
        and look at the face of Waltzman and the face of GDP !!! And the fact that Putin shook hands with this Mr. and te, so no one has yet refused politeness.
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  13. Tatarus
    Tatarus 2 October 2015 18: 37 New
    +3
    Petro scumbag came to a meeting
    And he stuck his red nose into the picture.
  14. Tungus
    Tungus 2 October 2015 18: 41 New
    +6
    In the photo, each president has a translator. And Petrucho alone somehow. Either the pennies ran out, or he sent it for schnapps. I’ll be following the weekend.
    Or maybe a translator is not needed. Ukrosmi always has its own interpretation of events.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 2 October 2015 19: 18 New
      +8
      Quote: Tungus
      In the photo, each president has a translator. And Petrucho alone somehow.

      Why does he need a translator? They said to him: "sit still, then they will tell you what we agreed on" And the economical Petya will be with us, in which case, the GDP translator will translate him, unlike the patriots, Petya will understand everything perfectly in Russian. So why drag your translator? Spend money? No, it’s not in Ukrainian.
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 2 October 2015 19: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Spend money? No, it’s not in Ukrainian.

        Yatsenyuk kept the scheme for theft from the budget
        02.10.15 14:22

        The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine ordered the state-owned company Ukrgasvydobuvannya to sell the extracted resource of Naftogaz Ukrainy every month until 1 on April 2017. This is stated in the relevant resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers No. 758 of October 1.

        The aim is to ensure public interest in the process of functioning of the natural gas market in transition.

        It is worth noting that since October 1 in Ukraine a law on gas market liberalization came into force, which prohibits the government from interfering in the economic activities of companies.


        Fully: http://minprom.ua/news/194621.html
      2. svp67
        svp67 2 October 2015 22: 10 New
        0
        hi
        Quote: Egoza
        Petya will understand everything perfectly in Russian

        Ma'am, well, shaw. You tell all the secrets. Petro Alekseevich himself a business trip and as President and as a interpreter designed, and you told all this. Money, they know are not superfluous ...
        Quote: Egoza
        Spend money? No, it’s not in Ukrainian.

        Yes, and in someone else's pocket, no it’s definitely not in Ukrainian ...
  15. onix757
    onix757 2 October 2015 18: 43 New
    -40
    Putin's Western partners have encroached on all sides, that’s how it spins in a frying pan. There are many ambitions, few resources, but most importantly, capital should be intact.
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 2 October 2015 19: 12 New
      +5
      onyx is free
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 3 October 2015 10: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Tatarus
        onyx is free


        Not "free", but "released"!
        Freed from the brain ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 2 October 2015 22: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: onix757
      and it’s spinning like a frying pan

      The GDP is still the “one”, it’s better not to touch it with these three “frogs”, but to keep on ... And they won’t have time to blink an eye, as the GDP makes an offer with SovFed, it will immediately unanimously accept it and right there someone "polite" will appear again and show everyone how to "offend" insults ...
      Quote: onix757
      There are many ambitions, few resources

      That’s just the resources, it’s much more, just to turn a planet such as the Earth into a radioactive desert several times, and more than once ... So, be careful.
      Do not offend the "snakes", they are very useful.
    3. BlackDragon
      BlackDragon 3 October 2015 01: 40 New
      0
      Quote: onix757
      There are many ambitions, few resources, but most importantly, capital should be intact.

      resources are just a lot, if you do not pay attention to the green men. fellow
  16. Barboskin
    Barboskin 2 October 2015 18: 48 New
    0
    And what to meet with Parasha, does he have weight there? Che decide, then he will be lucky with his gopnik.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 2 October 2015 19: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: Barboskin
      And what to meet with Parasha, does he have weight there? Che decide, then he will be lucky with his gopnik.

      And what exactly remains for us? After all, they recognized Poroshenko’s “legitimacy” with some fright.
      Now they are forced to go on a rake that they themselves have decomposed.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 2 October 2015 19: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: Barboskin
      Che decide, then he will be lucky with his gopnik.

      Well Gopnik already have an original offer!

      On the 112 TV channel, the leader of the “Self-Help” faction in the Verkhovna Rada, Oleg Berezyuk, said that if the West so wants the Minsk agreements to be implemented, then let Donbass be included in the United States or Germany.

      According to the parliamentarian, Ukraine does not need such representatives of Donbass in the Verkhovna Rada who will be loyal to Russia.

      “In order to save the country, this territory must be economically and politically isolated. Isolated and military. Until Ukraine can resist this aggression. And to do political performances, that we will hold democratic elections there ... Who? Those who conquered this territory, and then we will include them in the state administration system? If Kerry and others so-so decided, because it suits them, then let them attach this territory to the USA then or to Germany. There are such precedents. Let them choose these representatives in the Bundestag, ”said Berezyuk.
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 2 October 2015 19: 16 New
        +1
        BEAUTY WHAT a pancake laughing
      2. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 2 October 2015 19: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: Egoza
        According to the parliamentarian, Ukraine does not need such representatives of Donbass in the Verkhovna Rada who will be loyal to Russia.

        Yes-ah ... Imagine a picture of how deputies of the Verkhovna Rada from the DPR and Lugansk People’s Republic come to work on the BMP with BMP, accompanied by tanks, and in full dress, in body armor, guarded by machine gunners, enter the building.

        And there are barricades and streamers ...
  17. NDR-791
    NDR-791 2 October 2015 18: 48 New
    +1
    The first stage of negotiations is conducted, as they say, in the open air.
    At this stage, the president raises extremes, says a toast "for the PZD" drinks and goes to bed ...
    The second day of negotiations takes place in a "warm friendly atmosphere" and while the troublemaker continues to sleep ... On the agenda are ways to resolve the situation in Ukraine, implementation of the Minsk agreements.
    Haha, he arrived, all the same, according to the established tradition, the three first “consult”, and only then “you take a break”. Ah, Arles ... you need to be ... FOR EVERYONE !!!
  18. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 2 October 2015 18: 53 New
    +4
    everything is already completely bad.
  19. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 2 October 2015 19: 10 New
    +13
    Summary of the meeting lol
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 2 October 2015 19: 17 New
      +6
      Do not cry Parash
      Years will pass
      Rush will come
      And forever. laughing
    2. dimunder
      dimunder 2 October 2015 21: 34 New
      +7
      Well, just like at a parent meeting !!! Here, admire what your "son" gets up !!!!
  20. Egoza
    Egoza 2 October 2015 19: 14 New
    +11
    The President is leading Ukraine to a disaster, an urgent need to resume the war in the Donbass. The representative of the "Right Sector" Elena Bilozerskaya said this on her page on the social network.
    “Earlier it was easier. The separs break the truce and shoot at us, so we are forced to shoot back. In fact, of course, both sides violated - in equal proportions. Now, both almost do not violate, it is not possible to explain the need to fight with an excuse “they were the first to shoot at us”, and you have to say simply and honestly: this war must continue. And end in victory, not reconciliation. "
    “Yesterday and today, the commanders of all the AFU units received a secret order not to open fire - even from small arms, even in response without a personal order or permission from the ATO commander. One of the APU commanders, just in complete confusion, informed us about this order, emotionally explained how it would look in practice: he takes his people somewhere, open fire on them, and in this situation he should call the ATO commander and ask permission to open fire in response. These orders are secret, they want us to not know about them. And we know. And every second they should remember who is leading us, ”Belozerskaya says.

    What time! "secret order"! from whom is secret? From PS? Well, on TV they again drive aggressive advertising from the Poroshenko bloc about the powerful Ukrainian army, which repelled the creeps of the aggressor. Taunt Donbass - such as "they promised you and what you got." Well, let's see what tomorrow they will sing.
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 2 October 2015 19: 22 New
      +6
      Len you are careful there. love We will not survive.
  21. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 2 October 2015 19: 15 New
    +2
    Poroshenko should not expect zeal for a peaceful resolution to the crisis.
    You can agree with him only by slipping something gunshot under his patch.
    Savage, understands only the language of power ...
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 2 October 2015 19: 42 New
      0
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Poroshenko should not expect zeal for a peaceful resolution to the crisis.

      what are you waiting for? Enough already about the war, heroes, statistics of undermined BMPs and more. Other sites. Donby will be a hoax, one way or another, whether federally or not, they decide. Enough snot. Meet new bureaucrats. By golly - everything repeats ...
  22. Tatarus
    Tatarus 2 October 2015 19: 29 New
    0
    At first, the Israelis disappeared, now the moderators. What an ambush.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 2 October 2015 19: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Tatarus
      At first, the Israelis disappeared, now the moderators.

      Well, the moderators are in place, but the Israelis are apparently studying new manuals in Syria. In the near future will appear. there will be fun
  23. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 2 October 2015 19: 31 New
    +4
    It’s good that Vladyka Sith wrote and reported on life. And the Russians will think how and how to help.
  24. Tatarus
    Tatarus 2 October 2015 19: 34 New
    0
    The site is hanging. Reboot everyone.
  25. narval20
    narval20 2 October 2015 20: 13 New
    +2
    Look at the photo (published by the press secretary of Petro Poroshenko) Angela Merkel asks everyone (showing an expressive gesture): "Why, Peter is again drunk!?" .....
  26. KRIG55
    KRIG55 2 October 2015 20: 24 New
    +4
    Caption: Poroshenko 17th time resolutely DEMANDS Putin's cancellation of elections in the Donbass.
  27. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 2 October 2015 20: 34 New
    +2
    It’s not sweet for Luhansk residents and Donetsk residents, but they found themselves and they have a goal, which pushes them to life. Russia will not leave you, only you need to draw up your statehood, social services, and revive the economy. Potroshenko is afraid that if Donbass is part of Ukraine, it will fall apart or federalize, which the West does not need at all, and especially mattresses
  28. dr.star75
    dr.star75 2 October 2015 20: 38 New
    0
    Why is Poroshenko’s nose red on the first photo?
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 2 October 2015 20: 46 New
      0
      Sleepless night stood out at Don Pedro: in the most severe way he destroyed the damned Muscovite vodka. wassat
    2. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 2 October 2015 20: 49 New
      +3
      Drink her darling! And GDP by facial expression just mocks these inconspicuous.
    3. nazar_0753
      nazar_0753 2 October 2015 21: 49 New
      0
      I think it’s easy to guess here))
  29. wild
    wild 2 October 2015 20: 53 New
    +1
    Laden pedro lol GDP in shock
  30. sounddoc
    sounddoc 2 October 2015 20: 56 New
    +6
    A giant of thoughts: thoughts about the fate of the world)))
  31. VadimSt
    VadimSt 2 October 2015 21: 01 New
    +1
    They didn’t get a damn "hit from above"! This can be seen in the ceremonial departure of the GDP, upset by Parashenko, by gestures and tight smiles on the mourning masks of Merkel and Hollande!
  32. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 2 October 2015 21: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Ruthless
    It is time to expand the fifth point to Waltzman ... am bully

    In-in, to the diameir of a gas pipe, he can’t get used to it ... drinks
  33. ovod84
    ovod84 2 October 2015 21: 08 New
    +1
    Poroshenko’s face is like that of a schoolboy who was brought to a parent meeting
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 2 October 2015 22: 39 New
      +11
      Quote: ovod84
      Poroshenko’s face is like that of a schoolboy who was brought to a parent meeting
  34. Oman 47
    Oman 47 2 October 2015 21: 10 New
    +1
    The article is INCOMPLETE.
    On the course of the meeting - told; about the results - not a googo.

    Chocolate-bloody Boar DELIVERED IN THE STALL ???
  35. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 2 October 2015 21: 13 New
    +2
    Putin probably could hardly restrain himself from giving Poroshenko BREED ...
  36. Aleks-80
    Aleks-80 2 October 2015 21: 15 New
    0
    Holland and Merkel.
    “Normad?”, Trying to make excuses in Syria. (There are bad tyreists “ig” and other armed groups). In Ukraine, Putin did not discuss the discussion with "well-established politicians."
  37. Russia
    Russia 2 October 2015 21: 22 New
    +1
    I watched the press conference of Merkel and Holland ...
    They carry such nonsense! It is clear that they did not agree on anything!
    I understand Lavrov!
    Deb ... bly! fool
  38. Itcha
    Itcha 2 October 2015 22: 04 New
    -5
    I don’t understand anything ... they gathered four of them and still lie, knowing that everyone knows that they are lying!
  39. baluru72
    baluru72 2 October 2015 22: 06 New
    +1
    Something in Parashenko’s face photo looks like ...
  40. Bthuk
    Bthuk 2 October 2015 22: 25 New
    0
    Is there a biden from behind?
  41. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 2 October 2015 23: 24 New
    0
    [quote] Photo posted by the press secretary of Petro Poroshenko Svyatoslav Tsegolko on Twitter: [/ quote] [quote] [/ quote

    It’s very bad, to say the least, that Petya looks in both photos.

    Something like this is not at all attractive bastard. stop stop stop negative negative negative
  42. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 3 October 2015 00: 07 New
    0
    "deuces" placed normally ..!
  43. Vasisualiy
    Vasisualiy 3 October 2015 00: 10 New
    0
    The pedroshenka in the 2nd photo is clearly sad in Bavaria, there is Oktoberfest, just like a river and flaws with woo-ooo-t such charms! And then the beautiful chancellor ...
  44. Yuriy Nikolayevich
    Yuriy Nikolayevich 3 October 2015 00: 18 New
    +6
    This is how the meeting goes.)))
  45. B- 3ACADE
    B- 3ACADE 3 October 2015 06: 26 New
    +1
    In Paris, a man gathered three Obomov sixes.
    I would call this article.
  46. Dimka999
    Dimka999 3 October 2015 08: 05 New
    0
    What can we talk about here ?! Poroshenko, Yaytsenyuk and other trash near the wall .....
  47. Awaz
    Awaz 3 October 2015 08: 41 New
    0
    Of course, you and I don’t know what they said there, but judging by the situation, what happened was to happen a long time ago. For a long time KREMLIN must disown this war and act as a mediator: not to persuade anyone and convince. You just need to convey to the opponents the words of those whom he represents and demand that the opponents fulfill the terms of the contract. If the terms of the contract are not fulfilled by the opposite party, then do not conduct any negotiations. Just take it and go about your business. Let the pigs themselves bring up the very ones who raised him or are already cutting it empty ...
  48. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 3 October 2015 11: 00 New
    0
    Of course, I don’t know the concrete plans of our CDF for Ukraine, but it’s silly to hope that it will resolve itself and decay. Surrender of eastern Ukraine to Bandera is impossible, the people only believed in the best. It’s dangerous to have a state close by that looks to place rockets near our side. You can pull the rubber until you finish with IS. Then you have to decide something, I think so.
    Well, maybe VPR has a more ingenious plan?
  49. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 3 October 2015 11: 09 New
    +2
    "See Paris and fly away
    What ended the five-hour talks of the "Norman Four"

    "... And already in this context, the words of Frau Merkel at her press briefing look very curious. The German chancellor said that" Ukraine is rightly waiting for the restoration of its territorial sovereignty. "And suddenly added:" So far, this does not apply to Crimea while it concerns the rest of the country. "" http://lenta.ru/articles/2015/10/03/normandia/
    1. k174oun7
      k174oun7 3 October 2015 14: 59 New
      0
      Grandma Angela slowly takes up the mind. Better late than never. We will soon hear that “Ukraine rightfully expects the restoration of its territorial sovereignty. So far, this does not apply not only to Crimea, but also to the DPR and LPR. ”
      This is the benefit of lively communication with GDP.
  50. avtotekhnik
    avtotekhnik 4 October 2015 10: 35 New
    0
    And I really like this photo ...)))