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Terrorist attack in Thorez?

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Recently, rumors about the holding of a referendum on the accession of LDNR to Russia are intensely circulating. Recently, we have seen a lot of materials about the achievements of these republics. But there are also materials showing that not everything is clean and smooth.


Ask: what's the matter of the terrorist act in Torez?

Honestly, we were interested in this incident, as the incidents with Bednov and Brain were interested. And we decided to analyze the materials that fell into our hands.

Unlike the previous two analyzes, this time we have put together a slightly larger company than in previous investigations. The tanker, the anti-aircraft gunner, the scout, the driver-mechanic of the MT-LB, however, are not equipped with air defense, air gunner. And two people who were present that day at the training ground. One of which a long time ago, but graduated from Kharkov tank. The company is quite motley, that is, versatile.

Photographic materials obtained from official sources were used. Some pictures were shown by the prosecutor's office of the DPR, some are not. But at our disposal were.

The conclusions we made are somewhat different from those voiced by the official structures of the DPR.

So, what was announced by the investigating authorities.

1. In the Strela-10 air defense system on the basis of MT-LB, unidentified persons put an unshelled explosive device of an unidentified type, equivalent to 200 grams of TNT, by unknown persons.

2. The explosive device was activated, an explosion occurred and a fire started causing human casualties.

The overall picture is clear. The only thing that complicates the whole thing a little is the complete lack of information. But something still leaked.



Here is a video from the scene. You can see everything and evaluate how much the security measures were observed at the competitions (two of us were on the tank biathlon in Moscow, we had something to compare with), and how the technology exhibition was held.

Our "Arrow" can be watched from 4 minutes. Note the closed LEFT rear hatch. We will return to it later.



Further questions began.

1. Our two eyewitnesses, and several who published their observations on the network that day, did not hear the explosion. One of the witnesses watched a bright flash, being in 10-12 meters from the vehicle (near tank No.340), the second was somewhat further and reacted only when smoke came out of the conveyor and people rushed to the side of the vehicle.

Question: why no one heard the explosion?

200 grams of TNT do not explode silently in any equivalent. Moreover, an explosion inside such a box as a “motolab” is not even 200, but 100 grams of TNT or something equivalent, all inside would be smeared on the walls. We are not even talking about contusions, it is obvious.

Further, looking at the photos, we found several inconsistencies.

Photo 1. Overall plan.



Here we must pay attention to the lack of a left rack for rockets. First we decided that the rack was dismantled (torn out) during the fire extinguishing. However, the second photo shows that the rack was dismantled in advance. This is indicated by the fasteners circled in yellow circles, into which the fastening bolts are screwed. In order not to lose. We will need this fact at the very end.



We pay general attention to the fact that the doors of the hatches are absolutely not smoked. That is, it burned closer to the center of the car, and the smoke, quite obviously, went through the working compartment. And the open (judging by the video) right wing played the role of a blower.

Why, by the way, it took her to tear off - is not entirely clear.

We go inside.

The picture is impressive. Buckled racks, collapsed fuel tanks, metal cutting marks. Everything seems to be logical.



Here is a collapsed fuel tank on the left wall. His condition indicates that he was empty. From here, two versions of his state: they could detonate diesel fumes from heating (she knows how), or from the fact that when it was extinguished it was poured abundantly with water. The second option is more doubtful, since no traces of strong heating are observed on it. But - could and wash away a stream.

The second neponyatka - this is the state of the mounting plates. One looks as if nothing happened to her, the second - see for yourself. Accurately repeats the contour of a crumpled tank.

More plausible after all the first option. There was a sharp and strong heat, as a result of which the tank collapsed. And they were helped by the couples who were still inside.

Moving on.



Here is a photograph that the investigating authorities openly showed as evidence. As a place of explosion / fire. On the aluminum or duralumin parts visible traces of burning of a high-temperature composition. And it seems that the item was melted. The place can claim to be considered the epicenter of fire.

In the photo, we marked with figures two noticeable details: the edge of the damaged casing with a characteristic tooth and a broken hose. Go to the next picture. Main in our chain of reasoning.



This picture was taken EARLY than the previous one. This can be identified by the presence of a rack and tie on the 2 numeral. In the previous figure, these details are missing.

We look at the item under the numbers. There are no traces of fire on it. And the hole is missing.

In principle, this would be the end of our investigation. It is already clear that there was no diversion, something completely different happened. But the leadership of the DNR in the face of a heap of responsible persons is trying to simply impose its version of the "terrorist attack." If simply - they lie.

There was no act of terrorism. There were no saboteurs or traitors willing to commit meanness. This version is good, but does not stand up to scrutiny from our specialist in similar operations. His opinion is this: if there was a need to arrange a rally of such a plan, he would have mined in no way the Arrow exhibition, which definitely would not have ammunition. And one of the spare tanks. Calculated if not on the BC, then on the fully filled tanks. Yes, diesel fuel is not gasoline, but if it is set on fire, there will be no less problems with extinguishing. And how well detonating couples, even not to tell.

So what happened at the landfill in Torez?

In our general opinion, everything is simple.

The crew of the car was instructed to exhibit its complex at the exhibition. Preparing accordingly. That is, removing the BC and all the excess.

Any crew has things that "live" in the car. Since it is not known when they can be needed. Spare parts, spare parts, consumables. And, since the DPR is not a place where you can just pick up and leave the acquired in the park, the crew made the next knight's move.

The calculation dismantled the rack under the rocket on the left side of the machine. Why left? It's simple again. On the right side there is a passage in the technical compartment. Narrow and uncomfortable. Behind the workplace of one of the operators. It is designed to get into the technical compartment for the repair of antenna drives and launchers. Occupation is sad because there really is no place.

Further, the crew dumped on the formed area all that they did not want to leave in the park. Solely because surely someone would find someone who could use these things. Everything is logical and reasonable.

Then the left hatch for loading the BC was secured, and the car got up to the exhibition.

All would be nothing, but most of the people who wanted to climb the exhibition were children. The first video shows everything. And how they stuck to the "Arrow" too. And how they pulled and twisted everything they could reach.

What was in that compartment, of course, we will not know. But we think that the culprit of the fire, which created such a high temperature, was a rocket. Either signal or lighting. Both of them are able, with a quiet sound, to create a huge temperature around them and set fire to even that which cannot burn.

How did it work? The answer is on the surface. There are several versions, but what's the use of them? Ksenia did not return the dead.

The conclusions that suggested themselves from the very beginning: who is to blame?

Here is our personal opinion of two people who have visited more than one event of this nature.

Security measures were absent. This is understandable, in the republic, which recently waged a full-fledged war, the attitude towards arms and military equipment is somewhat different than in Russia. If it is right - it is often sloppy.

If we take as an example the exhibition at "Army-2015", so there on those samples that could be climbed, everything that could cause even the slightest harm was twisted and screwed. Including, by the way, and batteries. And here - fine. On the cannon, the sight was wrapped in a bag — and that's enough. And we shot.

Carrying out activities of a similar nature should be carried out by intelligent and trained personnel. Exactly to avoid. And not yesterday's fighters, who the day before were miners and entrepreneurs. This is not a toy, it is a military equipment.

The main culprit of this incident, if we take by analogy with Russia - Mr. Zakharchenko. It was he who allowed his subordinates to show that "we, too, can, no worse than in Russia." You can not, and still can not be very long.

Of course, the search for saboteurs will be conducted. And the guilty will be punished. That's just hardly those who should be punished. And it is necessary to punish two absolutely incompetent superiors, on whose conscience the death of a child. Not from the Ukrainian shell. From stupidity and excessive arrogance.

Then one author from the DPR lamented, they say, at the opening of 4 000 was, and then it came less in 10. Apparently, the Pitmen realized that it is better to stay away from sin and to miss such a show. You look, really saboteurs or traitors will undermine the tank. And then what?

So that this "then" did not come, and the tower from the tank did not arrive in the spectator, we must adopt the words of Vladimir Ulyanov-Lenin, who said: "Our slogan must be one - to learn military science in this way, introduce order on the railways ".

Well, with the railways is another matter, but you need to learn military affairs. And begin to restore order in the republic.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 5 October 2015 06: 06
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    How did it work? The answer is on the surface. There are several versions, but what's the use of them? Ksenia did not return the dead.


    Outsiders cannot be allowed into the combat vehicle without the supervision of personnel .... there is evidence of sloppiness and carelessness for which a small child paid with his life.

    How much can you pay with blood for this ... unfortunately the human factor will always be present in such incidents.
    1. Temples
      Temples 5 October 2015 08: 04
      13
      During the military operations WHY ???? Do you need civilian access to military equipment? A parade and a demonstration of weapons are needed to raise morale and patriotism. BUT civilian access, let alone children !!! ???? This is a criminal sloppiness.
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 5 October 2015 09: 20
        +4
        Really! No one has defeated anyone yet, and already parades are being held, "tank biathlon". Business would be better occupied. Winter is coming ...
        1. TiRex
          TiRex 6 October 2015 09: 12
          0
          parades in Moscow, at one time, were also long before the victory.
    2. igan
      igan 5 October 2015 10: 25
      +4
      You are right ... Keep it up, this is military equipment.
  2. V.ic
    V.ic 5 October 2015 06: 10
    13 th
    Well, probably not everything is so simple and straightforward, however, the version of the authors Domokl, Banshee, Fing deserves further study, and the conclusions on Zakharchenko and the mess in the LPR / DNR combat / non-combat forces are entitled to publication. By the way, about Zakharchenko: didn’t he set up the Russian militias at the b / d at the airport of Donetsk?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 5 October 2015 06: 19
      +8
      By the way, about Zakharchenko: didn’t he set up the Russian militias at the b / d at the airport of Donetsk?


      Where infa what ... it really hurts a serious accusation? ..... Svidomo smells.
      1. Russian Uzbek
        Russian Uzbek 5 October 2015 07: 16
        +3
        so Mr. V.ic he is Svidomo
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 5 October 2015 08: 17
          -6
          Quote: Russian Uzbek
          Mr. V.ic he is Svidomo

          You yourself are an ear from a boar ...
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 5 October 2015 08: 15
        -5
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Where infa

        Consider the unsuccessful debut of Russian militias in an attempt to gain control of Donetsk airport. Then ours were skillfully "framed", throwing them into battle without reconnaissance of the situation, and at the exit they also received "friendly" fire on KAMAZ vehicles that were taking out the wounded. Do you remember who "commanded" that operation?
        1. skifd
          skifd 5 October 2015 08: 34
          11
          Quote: V.ic
          Do you remember who "commanded" that operation?


          And you yourself are weak ??? Can you refresh your memory stupidly ?? Does the surname "Khodakovsky" mean anything? H () udak, bdya ... Sit down, two, the lesson is not learned.
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 5 October 2015 09: 24
            +3
            By the way, where is Khodakovsky now?
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            2. Good me
              Good me 5 October 2015 12: 45
              +1
              Quote: Asadullah
              By the way, where is Khodakovsky now?

    2. Good me
      Good me 5 October 2015 12: 08
      +3
      Quote: V.ic
      Well, probably not everything is so simple and straightforward, but the version of the authors Domokl, Banshee, Fing deserves further study



      There is a collapsed fuel tank on the left wall. His condition indicates that he was empty. Hence there are two versions of his condition: in it diesel fuel vapors could detonate from heating (she knows how), or from the fact that when extinguishing it was abundantly watered with water.


      The dubious version of the authors, I see a statement about the "collapsed tank".
      After all, in reality, even when it is cooled during extinguishing, this is hardly possible. And the "detonation of diesel fuel vapor" looks in general, quite differently.
      Everything that happened, an authoritative analysis, can only be provided by specialists from the Ministry of Emergency Situations, experts who "touched their hands" more than one similar exploded and burnt car, and in fact know what and how it looks when exposed to certain external factors ...

      And solarium vapors explode like this (Photo):

      Incidents 23.07.2013 15: 58: 26
      Today around 10: 30 in Khanty-Mansiysk, in one of the garage cooperatives on Mira Street, a gas tank of a truck exploded. According to the press service of the district department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, an 37-year-old man decided to carry out welding work in it, but there were vapors of diesel fuel there. As a result of the explosion, the grief welder received burns, he was taken to the hospital. The condition of the victim is assessed as satisfactory.
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  3. Wolka
    Wolka 5 October 2015 06: 23
    +2
    perhaps the author is right in his conclusions, you really need to always learn safety, even if it seems that there’s nothing to learn ...
    1. avt
      avt 5 October 2015 08: 24
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      perhaps the author is right in his conclusions,

      Well, at least a reasoned version with an illustration. It’s quite concrete and just like that, just slogans do not shrug it off. A good version is quite a working one. Weighted.
      1. skifd
        skifd 5 October 2015 08: 45
        +3
        Quote: avt
        version is quite a working one. Weighted.


        Yes, the version is serious. It is depressing that if it is correct, this is a clear indicator of how far from real statehood there is. Too clumsy attempt to earn some political points without admitting to his carelessness .. Just like "fitsial" Kiev. wassat But again, if the version is correct .
        1. 97110
          97110 5 October 2015 09: 48
          +2
          Quote: skifd
          Too awkward attempt

          Yeah ... Our Russian attempt at the death of a Frenchman about a snow blower looked much better. Immediately, almost before the event, they sprinkled ashes on the head, tore out a clump of hair from it. And they proclaimed to the whole world that the driver of the snow blower was drunk. Like "either a man, or us. No." He, like, could run over the President on board number 1 without looking at the booze. It is always necessary to sort it out, to punish those who committed it all the more. But the first reaction - who benefits from, he did, who the enemy - he did - this is NORMAL! Therefore - war. And informational too.
        2. Asadullah
          Asadullah 5 October 2015 11: 47
          +3
          if the version is correct


          As that version did not impress me. First, the absolute vague wording, could it, could it. What is nonsense about detonation of "diesel fuel vapor". If you are competent in these matters, then draw competent conclusions, and not fortune-telling on the coffee grounds. Moreover, any forensic expert by profile, within a week (with examinations) will 100% determine how it happened and why. Even if there is no such in Novorossiya, people at any professional forum will respond, come and work without show-off.

          In my insignificant opinion, an oily rag could catch fire, especially if battery acid got on it, and what kind of ammunition fell out .. but it is unlikely, because smoke would go, long and tedious. When sealing, oxygen in this case is burned out in a few seconds and ignition is impossible. Judging by the turned tank, they threw something there. Shellless explosive, or chemical initiator of combustion. How to make sure that it would not explode (ignite) immediately, I will not teach. But really, the tank cap didn’t lock.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 5 October 2015 09: 03
        +5
        Quote: avt
        A good version is quite a working one. Weighted.

        Comrad, these "working" versions of the darkness can be composed.
        Overdue Chinese contraceptive is to blame for everything!
        Under the direct rays of the sun, the MTLB case was heated, as a result, the temperature inside rose. The packaging was wiped with time and self-rectification of the product took place. The empty fuel tank shrunk in horror, and the tape of fastening the tank for life in a tight embrace with the latter, could not survive the separation and followed it.
        Please take this opus solely as a banter over all kinds of sofa experts.

        The child is sincerely sorry and will not be returned!
        1. Good me
          Good me 5 October 2015 12: 56
          +2
          Quote: Papakiko
          The child is sincerely sorry and will not be returned!

        2. avt
          avt 5 October 2015 13: 21
          +2
          Quote: Papakiko
          Comrad, these "working" versions of the darkness can be composed.

          You can, you can and discuss on the principle
          Quote: Papakiko
          Please take this opus solely as a banter over all kinds of sofa experts.

          However, only forensic expertise can put an end to this version, but there will be no campaign for it - the terrorist attack will write everything off.
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 5 October 2015 16: 22
            +3
            Quote: avt
            However, only forensic expertise can put an end to this version, but there will be no campaign for it - the terrorist attack will write everything off.

            You are up to the golondos and everyone else "intrigued" by the MH17 flight to get to the bottom and request an expert opinion.
            Komrad, why run into this topic?
            What in reality was, then you and I and all the rest are not aware and will not know!
            And as you option: In the MLTB, a VU with a total mass of 500-1000 kg was laid (the dimensions of the compartment allowed) and by a "happy coincidence" only the fuse worked and the main body did not detonate. And now try to make ends meet of all interested parties in this version and vice versa, who does not need to advertise it.
            Therefore, do not bother, for troubles there are media and other nonsense, including sofas. hi
  4. moskowit
    moskowit 5 October 2015 06: 33
    -1
    The comrades carried out the investigation promptly and the conclusions are completely justified.
  5. Sealek
    Sealek 5 October 2015 06: 53
    +3
    Is Zakharchenko personally supposed to control the crews of the equipment being displayed?
    The conclusions are fucking - "damn * yat" (c) It is immediately clear under whom the aFtora are digging.
  6. ArcanAG
    ArcanAG 5 October 2015 07: 47
    +1
    The car crew was instructed to exhibit their complex at an exhibition. By preparing appropriate way. That is, removing the BC and all the excess.
    Etc.
    Further, the crew dumped on the formed area all that they did not want to leave in the park. Solely because surely someone would find someone who could use these things. Everything is logical and reasonable.


    The version that the preparation of combat vehicles for the exhibition took place right in the park, where the BK was developing and all the extra enchanting.
    1. Averias
      Averias 5 October 2015 08: 13
      +4
      Quote: ArcanAG
      The version that the preparation of combat vehicles for the exhibition took place right in the park, where the BK was developing and all the extra enchanting.

      I will not stand for or against the Banshee version. But, based on personal experience (and the photos in the article only confirm this), I can say that the version is more than working. I will say more, the use of explosives (and even more so without a shell) was not there. The authors missed a small nuance, without a shell WU, in a confined space leaves a characteristic plaque (it will not exist only if there was a very high temperature after the explosion). Also in the photo you can clearly see (or rather, completely absent) the epicenter of the explosion and its traces. Just look at the left wing. The longitudinal deformation of the tank confirms the fire version. Damage vectors speak precisely about a fire. Detonation of even a small amount of explosives in a room of such a volume causes completely different damage, and given the fact that inside this room has partitions, corners, protrusions and so on. That it should look absolutely wrong. What is visible even on the rear doors, namely, the seal is absolutely intact. I can give a lot of examples, but I think this for the eyes. Who understands, he will understand.
      1. RAA
        RAA 5 October 2015 23: 45
        0
        I agree. There was no explosion. There was a burning rocket and no more.
  7. Riv
    Riv 5 October 2015 08: 03
    +3
    The version is sewn with white thread.
    Lighting rocket? Hard to believe. You just won’t burn it so easily, and it won’t set it all on fire right away.
    There was still an explosion. The rear covers hung on the hinges for a reason - they were knocked out. And since there is no burning on them, it was knocked out precisely by the first explosion.
    A shellless explosive device does not explode so loudly. With an explosion inside the armored casing, the sound will be quiet outside. And if the mine was incendiary, then in general you can not hear anything from the outside.
    The gas tank in the photo did not collapse. A collapsed tank looks different (I saw, you know, both barrels and even a tank that collapsed after steaming). The side was pressed by a blast wave, which confirms the version of a weak explosion. 200 Mr. TNT would simply turn the insides of the machine into porridge. However, 40 grams is also up to two hundred.
    1. Averias
      Averias 5 October 2015 08: 41
      +1
      Quote: Riv
      The gas tank in the photo did not collapse. A collapsed tank looks different (I saw, you know, both barrels and even a tank that collapsed after steaming). The side is pushed by a blast wave

      In order for the tank to be pressed in from the explosion as in the photo, the explosion should be at least directed (and this is already not without a shell device. And if without a shell, then it should have been laid in a certain cavity to form the directivity). And if the explosion is directed, then the traces and consequences from it are slightly different. But the barrel and the tank - you know a little different (dimensions, wall thickness (especially at the tank), location. The barrels are still everywhere, they are stored in rooms (not in such specific and limited in volume as here. But the tanks - it’s open space and the mechanics of deformation are different there, since external factors are different.

      PS If you look closely at the tank along the collapse line, you can clearly see where the temperature was maximum - this is on the right.

      PS You say that the rear hatches were blown out by an explosion, so don't burn them. And how to explain the fact that the hatch on the right was blown off completely (although behind this hatch, inside, there is a lot of things, the cavity is filled. This is me for the free passage of the blast wave. But the left hatch remained hanging on the hinge. , inside the room, practically free space.Accordingly, the maximum shock wave should have “hit” on it.
      1. Riv
        Riv 5 October 2015 10: 26
        +4
        All of the above is quite possible if the charge was weak. He would be stronger - and the blast wave would grind everything into a mess. And in the weak, it can spread quite bizarrely.

        The barrel and the tank collapse almost the same way. Unless of course the tank has flat ends. They saw it, you know ... But this gas tank collapsed because it was squeezed out of it at high temperature, and then it was flooded with water and a vacuum was created inside. However, this is not a fact. The wall there is thin and could well be pressed into the explosion. It is generally unknown whether there was anything in it. If a pair of solariums exploded, steel would turn out.
        1. fif21
          fif21 5 October 2015 12: 41
          +1
          Quote: Riv
          But this gas tank collapsed because it was squeezed out of it at high temperature, and then it was flooded with water and a vacuum was created inside. However, this is not a fact.
          1 gas tank mount is also deformed! And 2 is not!
    2. Good me
      Good me 5 October 2015 12: 20
      +1
      Quote: Riv
      There was still an explosion. The rear covers hung on the hinges for a reason - they were knocked out. And since there is no burning on them, it was knocked out precisely by the first explosion.
      A shellless explosive device does not explode so loudly. With an explosion inside the armored casing, the sound will be quiet outside. And if the mine was incendiary, then in general you can not hear anything from the outside.
      The gas tank in the photo did not collapse. A collapsed tank looks different (I saw, you know, both barrels and even a tank that collapsed after steaming). The side was pressed by a blast wave, which confirms the version of a weak explosion. 200 Mr. TNT would simply turn the insides of the machine into porridge. However, 40 grams is also up to two hundred.

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      2. Riv
        Riv 5 October 2015 13: 05
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        And who said that it was precisely TNT? Explosive devices come in all kinds of purposes and are far from always equipped with blasting explosives. An example is the usual explosive package. There, the filling is in my opinion pyroxylin.
        There could well have been the use of some kind of incendiary device, which, by unlucky chance, turned out, for example, next to a gas spray.
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        2. Good me
          Good me 5 October 2015 13: 17
          0
          Quote: Riv
          And who said that it was precisely TNT?

          Video, I have provided only as an illustration of the explosion force 200 gr TNT hi
          1. Riv
            Riv 5 October 2015 16: 06
            0
            Well, about 200 grams of TNT - I think it's a fairy tale. The lids would then be torn out completely, and all the containers inside would crumple into a cake.
          2. Insurgent LC
            Insurgent LC 6 October 2015 02: 41
            +1
            the mining region could be blown up with ammonite and weaker than TNT about 4 times as much as its counterparts a year ago, when hostilities started from the mine’s storage depots, it took only 10 tons in the Lugansk region, which didn’t advertise much. take it guess yourself in general get an industrial cc in the Donbass would not be a problem would desire
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    4. RAA
      RAA 5 October 2015 23: 47
      +1
      If there was an explosion, then the boy would die unambiguously!
  8. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 5 October 2015 08: 04
    +2
    The CHIEF is always to blame - he could not appoint those who would take responsibility responsibly. Now let them deal with subordinates.
  9. Des10
    Des10 5 October 2015 09: 06
    +1
    An honest and reasoned analysis of the incident by respected and experienced people.
    Until recently, it was impossible to tell the truth about the negative developments in the LPNR (except for the Ukrainian media). From a certain point, the majority, as if on command, "saw" the crime, the lawlessness, and the heterogeneity of the militia and the leadership. Politics.
    Therefore, the article put a minus, because Such an unbiased attitude of the authors was expected before.
  10. 31rus
    31rus 5 October 2015 09: 11
    -2
    Well, they conducted an investigation, then, what? Who is punished? What measures have been taken? Why blame the military, where were the parents, it was their children who were irresponsible? I personally have more questions than answers, but I also tend to conclude criminal negligence
  11. BB
    BB 5 October 2015 09: 20
    +3
    What happened in Torez DNI Briefing
  12. Wils
    Wils 5 October 2015 10: 26
    -9
    I told you that the militia bugs ... spontaneously ignited laughing .
  13. fif21
    fif21 5 October 2015 10: 51
    +3
    1. For the 100% exception that there was an explosion of a shellless explosive device, you need to wait for the conclusion of the examination.
    2. A questioning of witnesses (there were a lot of people!) Will give an answer to the question - what is primary, an explosion or smoke (a sign of fire).
    3. Ignition of a thermite charge is an interesting version, but it requires a high temperature or human exposure to ignite it (an examination is able to detect the presence of a termite substance)
    4. The tank is deformed inward, with an explosion of fuel vapor it would be inflated. Its damage indicates the presence of an internal shock wave.
    5. The guilt of the organizers of the "show" is obvious.
    6. Do u dill burn out a coincidence tank?
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 5 October 2015 11: 55
      +1
      The tank is deformed inward, with an explosion of fuel vapor it would be inflated. Its damage indicates the presence of an internal shock wave.


      Not necessarily, I personally observed how a half-empty gas tank collapsed inside.
      1. fif21
        fif21 5 October 2015 12: 23
        +1
        Quote: Asadullah
        Not necessarily, I personally observed how a half-empty gas tank collapsed inside.
        It all depends on the neck. Open or closed, dimensions in% relative to the volume of the tank, etc., etc. In our case, not only the tank is deformed into the inside, but also one of its mounts hi The burning rate of gasoline and tanning salons is different, as are the ignition principles.
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 5 October 2015 17: 22
          0
          It all depends on the neck


          Yeah. Or how tight the lid fits. There will be a backlash, consider that it is not .....
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  14. VadimSt
    VadimSt 5 October 2015 11: 16
    +1
    After a series of articles aimed at the general discrediting of the DLNR, and therefore the whole of New Russia, I can only say one thing for myself - the second front of the information war against the DLNR is open! What is surprising here is not the pronounced orientation, motives and goals, but the initiators of this wave of revelatory articles, which, in fact, harnessed themselves to the same harness with the Ukrainian media!
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    2. Good me
      Good me 5 October 2015 12: 32
      +2
      Quote: VadimSt
      After a series of articles aimed at the general discrediting of the DLNR, and therefore the whole of New Russia, I can only say one thing for myself - the second front of the information war against the DLNR is open! What is surprising here is not the pronounced orientation, motives and goals, but the initiators of this wave of revelatory articles, which, in fact, harnessed themselves to the same harness with the Ukrainian media!


      This paragraph looks especially "flashy".
      As if the authors want to tune the reader to the fact that they should integrate Donbass EARLY, a mess is going on there, and we will not be able to "digest" such happiness "fallen down" on us ...
      If so, then it will not work to intimidate the Russians. Not such tasks of state building were solved, and therefore we exist.

      Recently, rumors about the holding of a referendum on the accession of LDNR to Russia are intensely circulating. Recently, we have seen a lot of materials about the achievements of these republics. But there are also materials showing that not everything is clean and smooth.
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt 5 October 2015 14: 03
        +1
        I do not undertake to analyze the goals of such a "series", since I sincerely hope that Roman and Co. are doing it with the best intentions, but the fact remains - they pour water on the mill of the enemies of Novorossiya.
        I support the statement of N. Azarov -

        “You have to be the last moral freak to lie like that and earn dividends on the death of a child. But those who believe this are even greater freaks, because by allowing themselves to be deceived, they allow real terrorists who have seized power in Kiev to commit the killing of children, that is, to commit terrorist acts. Enlightenment is bound to come. The truth is about who was preparing this attack, who ordered it to come up, and these terrorists will be tried ”

        I also don't like a lot, many hopes are vague and questionable, and on a personal level, most are not doing well. But at the same time, I have always been and remain supporters of the authorities we have elected. Ask the majority of citizens of the Republics today if they are better off "today" than they were "yesterday", whether they are satisfied with the actions of the central authorities, and then roll out your exposing articles!
        The surgeon, too, does not carefully remove the bandages, but tears them off with the dead tissue - it hurts, not humanely, but this is necessary for the faster healing of the wound. This series of articles, from Roman and Co., does not carry such a humane and healing mission!
        During this time, thousands of local militias, volunteers from other countries bravely and with honor defended the Russian world, performed a feat, someone left us forever, several thousand patriots are in the dungeons of the SBU - that’s what you need to write about, and not feed the Ukrainian and Western media.
  15. Whowhy
    Whowhy 5 October 2015 11: 21
    +1
    Everything is logical, but what does the epicenter of the explosion have to do with it? The epicenter is the point on the surface of the earth below the point of the air blast. Why not just say "center of explosion" or "place of explosion"? fool
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 5 October 2015 11: 36
      +2
      What are the experts, such are the results - no offense to the authors. For conclusions it is necessary to have knowledge in the field of explosive technical expertise, to know what problems it solves and what questions it should answer. And that’s all - la-la-fa-fa.
  16. Scraptor
    Scraptor 5 October 2015 14: 01
    +2
    I remember in Slavyansk the just captured BMP somehow strangely burned out ... Also children?
  17. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 5 October 2015 16: 03
    +3
    Our main misfortune is not even fools and roads, but a BADAK. As the mess is cleaned, so the thing flies and blossoms. And there is also AVOS and SKY. This is already on the sidelines.
  18. Don.Bass
    Don.Bass 5 October 2015 20: 37
    +3
    That fucking biathlon was not needed by anyone, except for individuals. People who have not heard enough shots and explosions? Have you seen few deaths? By God, I am surprised at our brakes - leaders. Stupidity and nothing more.
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 5 October 2015 21: 27
      +3
      I completely agree - no one needs bravado!
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  20. elenagromova
    elenagromova 6 October 2015 04: 37
    +1
    I can say one thing - the explosion was definitely heard. Another thing is that at first, many did not attach any importance to him, they thought it was all within the framework of the biathlon, although it was strange that he thundered during the break.
  21. stdk
    stdk 6 October 2015 13: 25
    +1
    Too complicated scheme for a terrorist attack. Yes, and not effective.
    it is much easier to "drop" a timer or remote control device in a crowd.
    And so ... someone will climb into the arrow or not