Rostec: The decision on the choice of the machine for the "Warrior" will be taken within six months

What machine will be selected as the main one for the “Warrior” equipment will be known in the coming 6 months. The head of Rostec, Sergey Chemezov, hopes that this will be AK-12. Reports about it MIC with reference to Interfax-Volga.




“Within six months (a decision will be made). Now the military tests pass »- said the general director.

“The tests of the Kalashnikov AK-12 automaton are so far successful,” he noted. - I hope that he will be selected as the main equipment for the "Warrior". "

Meanwhile, in April, Deputy Chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission Oleg Bochkarev told reporters that the military department had already decided to purchase the AK-12, and he would start entering the troops in 2016 after experimental military operation.
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  1. figwam 1 October 2015 18: 25 New
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    It lasts a second year. On "Armata" the decision was made quickly.
    1. max702 1 October 2015 18: 26 New
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      Quote: figvam
      It lasts a second year.

      Yeah, Santa Barbara is straight ..
      1. Dreiko11 2 October 2015 03: 55 New
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        yes kapets, was there information that they had already chosen an ak-12 and by the end of 2016 the troops would receive 80 sets of “warrior” or would they be without machine guns? would be divided by 000% AEK and AK 50
    2. oleg-gr 1 October 2015 18: 27 New
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      Kalashnikov. The case of Mikhail Timofeyich continues. That's for sure - a genius.
      1. Baikonur 1 October 2015 18: 31 New
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        It seems to me that AEK with balanced automatic is better!
        Although Kalash has developed one! (I think that maybe they agreed with the tarters so that the Army would remain with the famous brand! Yes, and it’s already dear to all our military men)
        1. General Frost 1 October 2015 18: 33 New
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          Well, in such a case, rush is definitely not needed hi
          1. BIP PS FSB RF 2 October 2015 00: 58 New
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            Haste is not needed, but every quarter it is not necessary to state that the machine will be chosen within a certain time or already chosen. If the memory does not change already three times, it was stated that the decision was made and the machine was chosen. Last time they said that they would give Kalash to everyone, and to the elected AEK.
        2. Vladimirets 1 October 2015 18: 37 New
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          Quote: Baikonur
          I think that maybe they agreed with the tarters to keep the Army with the famous brand

          Of course, they said so: suck in, tarry people, nevertheless the famous brand, where you are with Poroshenko’s snout and in the elite ranks. yes
        3. NEXUS 1 October 2015 18: 38 New
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          Quote: Baikonur
          It seems to me that AEK with balanced automatic is better!

          AEK is undoubtedly better, as it is not a modernization of an existing weapon, but a new one with great modernization potential. In addition, accuracy and accuracy are higher than that of Kalash. Moreover, the machine is not inferior in reliability to the legendary machine. But this does not beg the AK 12.
          For me, the best option is to give AEK special forces, troops and marines, and give the AK-12 to regular units.
          Although ideally, of course, it would be great to send AEK to the troops too, but I’m afraid the Kalashnikov concern will not let this happen.
          1. Thunderbolt 1 October 2015 19: 09 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            The best option is to give AEK to special forces, troops and marines, and to give AK-12 to regular units.
            Only if these fighters are fighting in parallel universes. It’s just that the interests of arms companies do not need to be projected onto the difficulties of the rifle industry.
            1. NEXUS 1 October 2015 19: 32 New
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              Quote: Thunderbolt
              Curious to know why the test results are not satisfied?

              Kalash lost the first state acceptance to AEK and was sent for revision as a result of the customer’s requirements for weapons being not met. hi
          2. theadenter 1 October 2015 20: 54 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            Although ideally, of course, it would be great to send AEK to the troops too, but I’m afraid the Kalashnikov concern will not let this happen.

            You can not give one hundred percent preference to one machine, otherwise one of the concerns will begin to suffer losses and may go bankrupt. Today AK will be claimed, tomorrow AEK. It is necessary to purchase both those and those.
            1. Per se. 1 October 2015 21: 17 New
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              Quote: theadenter
              Today AK will be claimed, tomorrow AEK. It is necessary to purchase both those and those.
              Yes, monopoly is a dangerous thing, there must be healthy competition, without prejudice to reasonable unification. But, only those who needed to bankrupt the tank plant in Omsk and in every possible way to fault the T-80, whose potential is far from exhausted, UVZ here essentially became a monopolist, and this is hardly good. I really hope that similarly, for the sake of Sukhoi, MiG will not be stolen.
              1. theadenter 1 October 2015 21: 28 New
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                I hope that the task of developing a fifth-generation light aircraft is an attempt to preserve the MiG concern.
              2. Forest 1 October 2015 23: 20 New
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                But is it not too much to have several types of tanks in the troops? These are not the first MBTs that were relatively cheap, they are multi-million cars. This is to keep 2 production lines, 2 training, 2 rembases. Then all progress in the form of a multifunctional platform disappears.
                1. Per se. 2 October 2015 10: 24 New
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                  Quote: Forest
                  But is it not too much to have several types of tanks in the troops?
                  No one says that chaos should be brought into the system, but this is not about anarchy in tank building, but about the established and proven. If we are talking about two production lines, this is in every way better than completely destroying one of them. Finally, is there really any unification between the T-72 / T-90 and the T-80? The fact that there was a main tank with a diesel engine and a gas turbine is rather a plus than a minus, given our geography and specifics. Look at the NATO tanks, if you take the main ones (Leopard, Challenger, Leclerc plus Abrams), they do not repeat each other, but complement each other. The British left a rifled gun, the Germans had diesel, the Americans had a gas turbine, the French had an automatic loader. Are there no standards requirements in NATO, is there such a “stupid” and “wasteful” bourgeoisie? But here, between the T-90 and T-80 there is much more in common than between the tanks of the Alliance, and these are not only ammunition standards and general weapon and communication systems, but also close production systems, unification of combat modules and assemblies. If we leave one tank production center for a country like Russia, this is stupidity and betrayal. Now about the "platforms", as they have long existed, take a ton of equipment only based on the T-72, from bridge pavers and repair and recovery vehicles to BMO-T, self-propelled guns, TOS, BMPT, and there are other "platforms", for example, based on MT-LB. The boiled “Armata”, “Kurganets”, “Boomerang”, require refinement, but with all this, sooner or later they will become outdated, and that, again, everything from scratch, again we will have new “platforms” instead of the old ones? No, we’ll already be phased, but then what is the need to break the “old house” without building a new one?
                  1. Forest 2 October 2015 16: 15 New
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                    NATO always tried to create unified systems, they could have a single tank in the 80's, but the Americans ran into a 105-mm cannon and gas turbine, the British in a rifled gun and the Centurion’s experience in battles in Israel, Sinai and Syria, the French were generally aloof then from NATO. It is not all NATO that needs to be considered, but specific countries — nowhere, except China and Ukraine, now they produce completely different machines. A single fighter was not allowed to make European aircraft manufacturers, automatic - the Germans and the British. And their weapons costs are an order of magnitude higher than ours. In the USSR they also tried to make a single tank - Kharkov after the death of Morozov did not bring 64-ku to mind to improve the car, they gave the UVZ task - there they crossed 64-ku with their MBT projects and pushed 72-ku, 80-ka went into the series soon . So we recognized that too many different techniques were lit up, it consumed a lot of money, but then they tried to please all enterprises so that no one lagged behind. And now nobody is breaking anything - both 72 and 90 will remain in service for a long time, until another generation of tanks arrives.
              3. Thunderbolt 3 October 2015 15: 35 New
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                I collected my first RPK when I was nine years old. The father was in charge of metallurgy at one of the Samara machine-tool plants. They brought cops and written-off gun trunks to the firebox. Dad sometimes squeezed my son out and brought them to me, but he saved parts and not assembled items (he saved them on children's toys ))))). So. Previously, such plastic-mass Kalashniks were sold for children ... I sawed off a ski stick to the size and inserted it like a trunk, then added real bipods, a store, an aiming sight to this (it may not be called that, but with a ring such instead of petals). A native belt added. And plus, I painted the product with green smelly Soviet paint. Eh ... sorry, then you couldn’t take a picture on the phone ..!))) When I went out for a walk around the garden, the neighbor got very scared, and my father forbade me to go outside with such a game, but our family was given 12 acres for melons and potatoes, and so, when I was weeding my plot, my father solemnly removed the 11th green RPK from my bug and I rushed around our factory gardens. Stormed ravine yeah, he dug out the trenches and sat on the defensive. Eh ... a glorious childhood. I recall
        4. North wind 1 October 2015 18: 40 New
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          Quote: Baikonur
          It seems to me that AEK with balanced automatic is better!
          Although Kalash has developed one! (I think that maybe they agreed with the tarters so that the Army would remain with the famous brand! Yes, and it’s already dear to all our military men)

          AEK is good, but it is more complex than Kalashnikov could lose because of this. In general, it was said that both machines seem to be accepted
          1. NEXUS 1 October 2015 18: 48 New
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            Quote: North wind
            AEK is good but it is more complex than Kalashnikov

            It’s not so much more complicated. And in reliability it is not inferior to Kalash. And AEK won the first competitive tests. After that, AK-12 was sent for revision.
            Quote: North wind
            .A actually it was said that both machines seem to be accepted

            Most likely, two machines will be accepted one way or another. The question is in the state order. It’s one thing to stamp machines as cakes for regular units, and the other only for specialists and elite units. The scale is incommensurable. Therefore, the Kalashnikov concern is pushing its brainchild in order to receive an order for production automatic machines for regular parts.
            1. Assistant 2 October 2015 10: 12 New
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              It’s not so much more complicated, and in reliability it is not inferior to Kalash.


              Suddenly, complexity, reliability and accuracy are not the only performance indicators. There is also a guaranteed resource. And with the prototype A-545, the resource of the synchronizing carriage was an order of magnitude less than the resource of all other nodes. For a contender for army weapons, this is a sentence.
              How long does tyagomotin last between AK-12 and A-545 - never once did the Kovrovites tell how things are with the synchronizer resource.
            2. Amurets 2 October 2015 10: 49 New
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              And you and he were in the army under the same conditions as with Kalash, shooting by shaking out sand or water without taking it apart for cleaning and lubrication? The AN-94 could not stand such conditions. I don’t know.
          2. PSih2097 2 October 2015 10: 38 New
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            Quote: North wind
            Quote: Baikonur
            It seems to me that AEK with balanced automatic is better!
            Although Kalash has developed one! (I think that maybe they agreed with the tarters so that the Army would remain with the famous brand! Yes, and it’s already dear to all our military men)

            AEK is good, but it is more complex than Kalashnikov could lose because of this. In general, it was said that both machines seem to be accepted

            I beg you, now is not the beginning of the 20th century, when 90% of the population was illiterate ...
        5. Shuttle 1 October 2015 18: 41 New
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          Quote: Baikonur
          It seems to me that AEK with balanced automatic is better!
          Although Kalash has developed one! (I think that maybe they agreed with the tarters so that the Army would remain with the famous brand! Yes, and it’s already dear to all our military men)

          The brand in this particular case is nothing. Even production capabilities are far from everything.
          But practical tests are really everything.
          1. Polite Moose 1 October 2015 20: 45 New
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            Quote: Shuttle
            But practical tests are really everything.


            I definitely agree with you. A key role should be played by reviews from operating sites.
        6. Manul 1 October 2015 18: 51 New
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          Quote: Baikonur
          It seems to me that AEK with balanced automatic is better!
          Although Kalash has developed one! (I think that maybe they agreed with the tarters so that the Army would remain with the famous brand! Yes, and it’s already dear to all our military men)

          Or maybe it's enough to argue about which is better - Su or MiG, Mi-28 or Ka-52 ...? For any need to support both manufacturers. The loser well, at least some minimum order must be given. hi
        7. Ratmir_Ryazan 1 October 2015 21: 25 New
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          It is necessary to make it simple - to give the opportunity to choose in several units of various branches of the army ... Let them work with him in exercises or somewhere else ... What the soldier prefers in the majority is necessary to put into service !!! And it’s not like with Abakan - they’ve been promoted, but it turned out that not every officer can disassemble and assemble it, that it’s harder and not much better than AK-74 in terms of fire accuracy ... Both assault rifles have a accuracy of 100 15 cm ... And most importantly that it costs several times more expensive ... And finally, make a store out of darkened but TRANSPARENT plastic !!!!!!!!!! It's that simple !!!! And for a soldier it’s convenient and effective ...
          1. Chiropractor 2 October 2015 09: 56 New
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            Basting on Coke - start over ...
            It was said and quoted in VO that the BOTH of the complex will be included in the "Warrior". But, apparently, the reduction in budget revenues raised the question more sharply - "Bolivar can not stand two" ...

            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            darkened but TRANSPARENT plastic


            Plastic does not withstand our temperatures, it cracks - the Germans got burnt too, and now they produce metal stores for their HK in northern Europe ...
    3. War and Peace 1 October 2015 20: 59 New
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      they are not looking for good from good, Kalash is time-tested, and Kovrovets is not so good that he would definitely choose it ...
      1. Amurets 2 October 2015 07: 21 New
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        Maybe it’s not a topic, but I’ll give examples from the recent past. Before the Second World War, the AVS-36 rifles; SVT-38; SVT-40, DS machine gun were created. They all passed the tests perfectly, until they got into the troops. Complaints, heavy, complicated, unreliable. At the same time, the border troops, snipers, and what else to hide, the Germans and Finns give a very high rating to these weapons. I will not touch on cartridges, other reasons not related to the army. The main reason why the army did not accept these weapons was that it required more careful care, other oils and greases that the petrochemical industry of the USSR could not give. At the landfills and in the industry, either selected Soviet or imported materials were used. The same thing was with capsules for automatic weapons. Who wants to deal with this, there are many books on this subject. Bolotin; History of Soviet small arms and ammunition. Malimon; Domestic assault rifles. Monetchikov; History of the Russian assault rifle. And there are many others. What am I for? And to the fact that it is necessary to check the machines in the troops because changing the system in the army even in peacetime requires billions and the error will be expensive. Therefore, for military tests you just need to arm one platoon with one machine in one company compare others with others under the same conditions. But in fact, everything is squeezed out of small arms and a new breakthrough will only happen when a new munition is created. What are the weapons companies of the world working on now? These are liquid propellants, burning cartridges and much of what is not published.
    4. serega.fedotov 1 October 2015 21: 17 New
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      Quote: figvam
      It lasts a second year. On "Armata" the decision was made quickly.

      What a "second year" !? They say about the new machine from the late 80s! And the Abakan project, if I remember correctly, was closed in 94! And although many small arms were adopted during this time, almost everything did not go into the mass production. Yes, and in fact everything except MA and AN turned Kalash!
      1. Basarev 1 October 2015 21: 37 New
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        Personally, I am generally on the side of the Tula A-91M. Reliability and simplicity are on the level, but at the same time issues with ergonomics are resolved, and most importantly, accuracy is multiple times higher than Kalash.
        Yes, and he is beautiful ...
    5. JACTUS RECTUS 1 October 2015 21: 32 New
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      Video in the topic. Mattresses test our trunks. Well, and as always, M4 is the best.)))))))
      1. JACTUS RECTUS 1 October 2015 21: 39 New
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        And continued
    6. JACTUS RECTUS 1 October 2015 21: 43 New
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      In 2013-2015, the modification of AEK-971 under the name "A-545" took part in the competition for a new combined arms machine. In April 2015, the deputy chairman of the collegium of the Military-Industrial Commission announced that the machine would be accepted for service along with the AK-12.
      1. Tourist 1 October 2015 22: 16 New
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        Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
        In 2013-2015, the modification of AEK-971 under the name "A-545" took part in the competition for a new combined arms machine. In April 2015, the deputy chairman of the collegium of the Military-Industrial Commission announced that the machine would be accepted for service along with the AK-12.

        So I remember something like that. And here again, again, “Santa Barbara” with the hundredth resurrection of CC.
  2. Black Colonel 1 October 2015 18: 26 New
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    But what does not write in the article about AEK? As if from the "Kalash" will choose the "Kalash". belay
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  4. Tatarus 1 October 2015 18: 27 New
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    It would be more likely to have already been determined, time is decreasing. The world is bursting at the seams.
    1. Strezhevchanin 1 October 2015 18: 44 New
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      Quote: Tatarus
      It would be more likely to have already been determined, time is decreasing. The world is bursting at the seams.

      What time!? The same war is on the production market, people think about the future and ours are in the forefront there ...... this is the dilemma.
  5. Hubun 1 October 2015 18: 27 New
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    they haven’t made a decision yet, but they’re already buying, in my opinion everything is clear
  6. da Vinci 1 October 2015 18: 31 New
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    Dark story. bully
    1. Vladimir 1964 1 October 2015 20: 06 New
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      Quote: da Vinci
      Dark story.


      It’s you, Sergey, to put it mildly, the story is just dirty. Without at all diminishing the merits of Kalashnikov, however, the AK-12 did not get rid of its own shortcomings. Many AEK colleagues are right to win the contest twice, but as you can see! By the way, in accuracy, accuracy and magnitude of the recoil pulse, the AK-12 is inferior to AEK even after all the modifications.
      In a word, someone just out of some selfish goals sold AK-12. By the way, when the question arose about organizing the issue, the “Kovrovites” were unfoundedly accused of not being able to put AEK on the stream, the competition commission was presented with an operating production line constructed by the “Kovrovites” on their own initiative and at their own expense.
      I apologize to my colleagues for some emotionality, but as an infantry officer I don’t understand why weapons with worse performance characteristics are taken into service, to the detriment of the best available.

      Something like this. I have the honor. hi
      1. Jan Ivanov 2 October 2015 00: 57 New
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        I fully support your opinion and AEK. )
        1. Vladimir 1964 2 October 2015 01: 52 New
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          Quote: Jan Ivanov
          I fully support your opinion and AEK. )


          Thank you, Dear Jan Ivanov, support is always pleasant.

          Like so. good hi
  7. kil 31 1 October 2015 18: 32 New
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    They got it. Everyone wants to push their products. AEK loses on tests, breaks tests again next year, there are garters. So we will not wait for another 20 years.
    1. Manul 1 October 2015 18: 58 New
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      Quote: Kil 31
      They got it. Everyone wants to push their products. AEK loses on tests, breaks tests again next year, there are garters. So we will not wait for another 20 years.

      It looks like AEK is really a cut above. Maybe it’s time for the Kalashnikovs to completely switch to Saigu? tongue )
      dmi.pris (3) SU Today, 18: 38 New
      The military is accustomed to the "Kalash", and most likely they will select it. AEK is more difficult and more expensive ... Or maybe the manufacturers have already agreed among themselves ..
      It is unlikely that they can agree. These are serious grandmothers, a state contract, the meaning of the entire existence of factories. Without government orders, enterprises are doomed.
      1. NEXUS 1 October 2015 19: 04 New
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        Quote: Manul
        It seems that AEK is really a cut above.

        Not by a head, but above. The main argument in favor of AEK is that the machine is NEW with good modernization potential, and the AK-12 is a modernization of the same AK-47, which is almost 70 years old. Plus accuracy and accuracy of fire from AEK above. And third, this desire to get away from ossified clichés and formats. Russian weapons should develop, and not stagnate in place, blinded by modernization of good, but outdated weapons.
        1. Manul 1 October 2015 19: 45 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          Not by a head, but above. The main argument in favor of AEK is that the machine is NEW with good modernization potential, and the AK-12 is a modernization of the same AK-47, which is almost 70 years old. Plus accuracy and accuracy of fire from AEK above. And third, this desire to get away from ossified clichés and formats. Russian weapons should develop, and not stagnate in place, blinded by modernization of good, but outdated weapons.

          I absolutely support. Everyone needs an incentive for growth. I saw how people who have everything and don’t bother anything, with that (and with whom) they are given the right to control, through the stump deck, and through the sleeves, create anything and allowing yourself a lot of liberties. But when a roasted rooster pecks, they immediately begin to realize that their power is not eternal and it is time to work, think about people, and, first of all, about the quality of the work they perform. Moreover, Mikhail Timofeevich died - the kingdom of heaven to him, but who remains after him is unclear.
        2. Vladimir 1964 1 October 2015 20: 24 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          Not by a head, but above. The main argument in favor of AEK is that the machine is NEW with good modernization potential, and the AK-12 is a modernization of the same AK-47, which is almost 70 years old. Plus accuracy and accuracy of fire from AEK above. And third, this desire to get away from ossified clichés and formats. Russian weapons should develop, and not stagnate in place, blinded by modernization of good, but outdated weapons.


          Plus, Dear NEXUS, the recoil momentum is also weaker. In general, your comment is good!

          Something like this. good hi
      2. Izotovp 1 October 2015 19: 07 New
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        And at the same time, there is also an ADS and a new caliber on the way, which can also change the alignment of test results. Soap opera, it would be better to monitor the quality, otherwise the specialists are already on camera.
    2. satelit24 1 October 2015 19: 00 New
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      so that Kalash was the first - even during the Soviet Union it was not greasy but rolled away what
      1. Manul 1 October 2015 21: 00 New
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        Quote: satelit24
        so that Kalash was the first - even during the Soviet Union it was not greasy but rolled away

        I look you are a connoisseur of the USSR .. I will be glad to talk with you about this. We look forward to your new revelations.
    3. Rusich is not from Kiev 2 October 2015 00: 54 New
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      Quote: Kil 31
      They got it. Everyone wants to push their products. AEK loses on tests, breaks tests again next year, there are garters. So we will not wait for another 20 years.

      Read how they adopted the trilinear, and this is one of the best rifles of the early 20th century.
  8. dmi.pris 1 October 2015 18: 38 New
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    The military is accustomed to the "Kalash", and most likely they will select it. AEK is more difficult and more expensive ... Or maybe the manufacturers have already agreed among themselves ..
  9. Signaller 1 October 2015 18: 51 New
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    Scientists think, people think, but really ???? The most reliable is the simplest. If there is an AKM, then some AK-12 why ????. The three-ruler was and decided to extend a bunch. and here is some sort of accuracy above ????. Yes, after the shelling of the artillery, the arms will tremble slightly. Then why the accuracy ??? It would just be pulled into the enemy’s side, sometimes it helps. This is for the special forces — it may be necessary — for the army of conscripts and, in general, for the entire army of signalmen, artillerymen and any other — it is EXPENSIVE and NOT NEEDED, Sometimes a carbine FOR EYES, Well, that’s all.
    1. Izotovp 1 October 2015 19: 00 New
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      To put it mildly: an interesting point of view! Maybe not to give a carbine, will proletarian cobblestone be easier and more reliable?
    2. TanakaKenshin 2 October 2015 00: 29 New
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      Something I remembered one very tasty friend with the FAI ...
      He at one time fiercely vanged for the fact that the line infantry (the one that is being built in line, as at Borodino) is a mandatory attribute of all full-scale wars, and machine guns and trenches are the prerogative of exclusively special forces.
      1. Amurets 2 October 2015 07: 54 New
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        Guys! Have you served in the army? Put you in such a situation that rain, dirt can’t be cleaned and you don’t know when you will put it in order? So choose the good old Kalash which will not let you down or AEK which in such conditions has not been tested? I’ll choose Kalash because he knows he won’t let me down. He will prove the same reliability to AEK, Good afternoon! And now there’s a choice of weapons for which you need to spend a lot of money, massive weapons made for the army and not for storage. Therefore, the fear will be wrong. in my opinion, it’s not the elite units to be armed with new weapons but a check in the troops. Check under the same conditions as Kalashnikov. And let's still not forget that the special forces of both the USA and Western Europe prefer Kalashi rather than M-16.My opinion: LET'S WE WILL NOT HURRY. It can be patient a little to choose a really reliable weapon.
    3. Shurale 2 October 2015 08: 01 New
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      No one has long approached weapons from this point of view, now they are capitalists and they decide from which project Mona will get more dough. Can you imagine how much mona to get one-time when purchasing new equipment when re-planning for a new machine? It’s better to count for a long time, that's why they pull ...
  10. RED_ICE 1 October 2015 19: 45 New
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    At us, all PMs were replaced by PYs. Such y (((
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      As for the pistols, it’s also not all clear yet and three more models are fighting for the order.
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    3. bunta 1 October 2015 21: 49 New
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      PY. Such y (((
      1. kolskiy99 1 October 2015 23: 20 New
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        PY. The factory workers explained everything: for some reason, the series turned out to be the wrong steel grade, so it dies quickly. And besides the practice of shooting, it requires the practice of eliminating delays
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  11. lexx2038 1 October 2015 20: 31 New
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    The Mosin rifle is an outstanding weapon, Kalash is also a legendary machine gun, but you need to go ahead, if you have come up with weapons with the best TTX, you need to implement it, and what's more expensive, because this is a trend, new, more advanced types of weapons are always more expensive. Compare a plane from WWII and modern, tens of thousands of times more expensive, but it’s better.
  12. Bekas1967 1 October 2015 21: 11 New
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    The opinion of the amateur: 7,62 !!!! AND ONLY !!! PUNCHES EVERYTHING, turns off completely, range, stability of a bullet flight ... For the Middle East, you can’t imagine any better. And the main threat now is from there.
    1. Izotovp 1 October 2015 21: 34 New
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      There are drawbacks: the weight of the BC, the probability of defeat from unstable positions ... Although I agree, the cartridge has a good and modernization potential for it.
      1. Amurets 2 October 2015 10: 43 New
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        Uncle Vasya said: “There will be an assault rifle and ammunition, there will be grub” and instead of a dry landing, they took ammunition, but the caliber did not play a role. But they like 7,62.
  13. bunta 1 October 2015 21: 41 New
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    Not only was the weapon ruined, it was also pushed into "weapons". Compradors angry
    My opinion is that the Ak-12 is not suitable for delivery to the troops. As well as the advertised "modernization" of the AK-74M. This is the result of the complete defeat of Izhmash from the design to its production part.
    Thieves and crooks got stolen and destroyed production together with a brand with goodwill of several billion dollars. Under it, they received state loans for "development." And since you need to give loans and still have to go to Courchevel and the Bahamas, they are breaking with all the lies this sediment called ak-12 and the “upgrade kit”.
  14. 2s1122 1 October 2015 21: 48 New
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    AEK had a run-in for information that in a short burst of three shots three go in one pile, and the fact that it is more difficult for that period of time that they serve is generally difficult to learn.
  15. Aleksey_K 1 October 2015 21: 50 New
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    “The tests of the Kalashnikov AK-12 assault rifle have been successful so far,” he said. “I hope that he will be selected as the main equipment for the Warrior.”

    Meanwhile, in April, Deputy Chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission Oleg Bochkarev told reporters that the military department had already decided to purchase the AK-12, and he would start entering the troops in 2016 after experimental military operation.

    The tests have not yet ended, but everything has already been decided. And where is the comparison with the Kovrov machine gun? It seems corruption is winning again. It would be nice if the Russian Prosecutor's Office read this comment of mine.
  16. Proxor_P 1 October 2015 22: 17 New
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    Special Forces, Airborne Forces and others - at the discretion of the authorities - parts: clearly AEK. Kovrovets is not overwhelming, but still significantly better. But for conscripts, maybe motorized infantry - AK-12.
    1. infantryman2020 2 October 2015 10: 19 New
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      In such reasoning, and they often sound, there is a vicious thought.
      A special weapon system for the MTR is acceptable and practiced in the world.
      At the same time, the Airborne Forces is a winged infantry, just like the sea infantry. And they should have a small arms system as in conventional infantry. That is standard. No need to complicate.
  17. Kleon 1 October 2015 23: 03 New
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    You need to adopt two automatic weapons. AK-12 for hand-to-hand combat, and for small arms AEK.
  18. Michael_59 1 October 2015 23: 32 New
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    It's already embarrassing to just read it again and again.

    Kalashnikov. The former glory of the battle does not take. Get on already. Let others work.
  19. Wolka 2 October 2015 04: 36 New
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    nevertheless, my preferences are on the side of the Kovrovites — the Koksharov automaton (AEK)
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    They will accept Kalash, it’s clear to everyone, AEK will be able to accept only if these guys buy everything, and they obviously don’t have money flow, although there is nothing impossible, there is a precedent for Sukhoi ...
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    Quote: kleon
    You need to adopt two automatic weapons. AK-12 for hand-to-hand combat, and for small arms AEK.

    And what is the meaning of two machines? Accept one for all, but in different versions, with unification of the main details of at least 70%. The larger the series, the cheaper each sample. As for the cost - count how many new machines you can buy at the price of one T-50, or 10 pcs. Armata tanks. And armed with a new machine hundreds of thousands of fighters, if not millions. Another question, why the hell do you need a new machine for old cartridges? What is it much more effective than AK-74M?
  22. kplayer 2 October 2015 16: 40 New
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    AEK Special Forces, Airborne Forces, Marines, AK - in regular units? - some kind of demagogy, one might think the elite units belong to certain irregular formations. Usually, the following is practiced, the rifle units are directly equipped with the best, here the motorized rifle, SPN, airborne and naval infantry, but the combat, rear and technical support units, i.e. artillery, mortar, anti-aircraft, engineer-sapper, anti-aircraft, communications, etc., are armed with simplified weapons. Although, it is unlikely that the anti-terror assault units and the reconnaissance and sabotage divisions of the Special Forces and military intelligence in particular will part with the standard AKs (incl. 7,62 mm AKM / AK-103), supplemented by silent weapons (9x39 mm).