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Freedom of choice or choice of freedom?

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Never wrote about ideology and civil liberties. Already very vague subject. A lot of controversial points. And most of the arguments of the authors of such articles are at the level of formal logic. And more often it is just a collection of facts to substantiate their own conclusions. Therefore, this article, if you will, is some thoughts from communicating with the participants of our forum, with their friends, with friends of friends. Thoughts based not on the conclusions of political scientists and sociologists, but on real conversations, correspondence with specific people from different countries.


Freedom of choice or choice of freedom?


Quite a large number of familiar and unfamiliar foreigners today are among our regular readers. Many write their thoughts, their suggestions, their wishes. However, when it comes to real communication, even if using Skype, people are closed. And closes quickly. Yes, and the conversation usually ends. What is the matter?

I will start the analysis from a country that positions itself as a major global democratic power. Naturally, it will be about the United States. Well, and about Canada which I perceive as a certain appendage of America.

Our dashing 90-e scattered Russians around the world. And somehow it turned out that part of the former fellow citizens migrated overseas. The reasons are different, and not about them now. The main thing is that over time these new Americans still felt a lack of communication with the former Motherland. With us, if you like. The euphoria from dozens of sausages has passed, and in Russia now it is no worse. So, names and surnames familiar from childhood appear periodically in requests for communication.

As a person writing, such communication is really interesting to me. It is always useful to learn something first hand. Therefore, most often such communication begins. And as usual for such meetings, it begins with questions like "Do you remember ..." After some time, the memories end. Begin stories for life. Well, then, as in any company, the topic of international relations emerges. And everything ...

The mouth of a friend or friend is taped. Theme for Americans is taboo! Why?

Fortunately, there are opportunities to contact not only via Skype, but also in other ways. For example, just write a letter and send it from another country. Which was done by some of my friends.

It turned out that, for example, the Americans are not at risk of speaking about Ukraine. Special programs track ALL conversations and automatically record them for transmission to the appropriate authorities. And the FBI or the CIA’s “hook up” is not a good prospect. At best, you get a warning about communicating with terrorists (by the way, directly through a computer), and at worst - you receive a subpoena. But in any case, the suspicion of complicity with terrorism is hanging on you.

In this case, special services have the right to any wiretapping, to check your accounts, to lustration correspondence and everything else. And they use it to the full. And how many enemy "spies" and "accomplices of terrorists" in the United States receive in democratic courts, we all know.

It's hard to talk about Canada at all. There, surveillance is carried out even more actively. Any connection with an interlocutor from Russia automatically enters you on the list of unreliable. No matter what you talked about. I can not say about the facts of criminal prosecution, but fines Canadian courts "sentenced" famously.

Not better things in Europe. I am sure most readers have friends in European countries. For the sake of experiment, try to talk about Ukraine with any of them. I am sure that the result will be the one I described above.

German intelligence services, for example, as well as the German courts, do not lag behind the American ones. That against the background of scandals with wiretapping Merkel and other politicians looks like something even comical. A simple German is kept under total control, but the country's leadership is not protected. Nonsense, but the way it is. Too hard to keep the throat of politicians and in general, Europe, the Americans.

I will cite as an example one acquaintance of the “Russian German” whom I met there, “behind the ribbon”. And accidentally crossed on Izvarino six months. Victor told me that upon arrival in Dresden he was arrested right at the airport. And they kept him for two days. The reason is simple - he was "lit up" during the transfer of humanitarian aid to the Oplot battalion.

Still, relatively proving his innocence in hostilities, Victor returned home. The Internet was turned off, and on the computer screen there was his photo taken in the DPR, and the inscription: "You are suspected of supporting international terrorism."

Victor went to court. And the provider and the police. The trial was held in record time and ended with a fine of 2230 euros. Awarded a fine to Victor. There is nothing to disturb!

This completely democratic case, by the way, has increased the population of our country by 3 person. German with Russian roots, born in Germany, became Russian with German roots.

Not better things in some "our former" republics. I am not talking about the Baltics now. We haven't considered them for a long time. Just like friends. They live somewhere on the outskirts of Europe, and let them live. They are under free control no less than Germans or Americans.

I'm about Kazakhstan or Belarus. Control there, of course, less than in the US. But even see our comments from these countries. You can criticize everything. And all. In addition to their own leadership and their own country. It is not so noticeable, but it is. And the special services of these countries are not so well equipped with modern technology that they can "take them to the pencil."

For the sake of justice, I note that this is embryonic in Kazakhstan. But Belarusians are too active silent. Especially on Skype. Yes, and in the "Viber" too. Very, I would say, meaningfully.

The same happened with Ukraine. Previously, it seemed to me that the rabid rejection of all Russian, Russia as a country - the lot of snotty kids. The fruits of education and Maidan. It turned out no. This is a clear work of the special services and the relevant ministry. Control of the most severe. Those who write from Ukraine, under the hood for a long time. And this cap can at any time completely block the oxygen. Only some are allowed to "work" on Russia. And they do not even know most of them. Forgive me, my Ukrainian friends, but I write about what I know.

But there are positive facts. For example, Israel or Azerbaijan. I often argue with the citizens of these countries. I argue "to the blood." But I must admit, they are really free. Free in their judgments. Same as me. And our "fights" come precisely from freedom. I have my own opinion, they have their own. But they also criticize their politicians, just like me. For which they have my deep respect.

Why did I write all this? Yes, just because I thought. Thought about whether I need such freedom? Freedom "zek" in their own country. When what we are exposed as a great achievement of democracy turns out to be zilch. When total control of the state extends to all areas of my life. When a person has not done anything yet, but already guilty.

You can talk a lot, and abroad say what we are here all obedient slaves of Putin. They say a lot and tastefully. Well, there are languages ​​- let them speak. I also talk about this often. In his understanding.

And the second. Why don't I value my freedom today? Why do I take it for granted? Maybe because it is free? And to appreciate something more often you start only when you lose. I really do not want to lose. Just do not want to colic.

Mouth something just can not be closed. I'm used to, you know ...
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 2 October 2015 06: 04 New
    +9
    This completely democratic case, by the way, has increased the population of our country by 3 person. German with Russian roots, born in Germany, became Russian with German roots.


    There are miracles in life ....
    the concept of democracy is turned upside down in the WEST.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 2 October 2015 07: 11 New
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      As for criticism of their leadership of Kazakhstan and Belarus. Here, the matter may be different than the author refers to. And about whom else was on the forum, except for Lukashenko and Nazarbayev? Or is there no other guide? This we can criticize our prime minister, ministers, prosecutors. But just touch Putin, you will be riddled with minuses. There is another aspect. Mentality. In the republics of Central Asia, the chief is always held in high esteem. There are KGB in Belarus and they are closer to the management methods left over from the USSR. Maybe I'm wrong, then there are other opinions. Let's see what our neighbors write on the forum.
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      3. Weyland
        Weyland 4 October 2015 00: 12 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        In the republics of Central Asia, the chief is always held in high esteem


        I moved to Russia from Kazakhstan 4 years ago. Well, the urban population is far from being so low-minded - so there’s a lot of talk among themselves, but on the Web ... Google about Rakhat Aliyev, Zamanbek Nurkadilov, Mukhtar Dzhakishev - you will learn a lot about freedom and democracy in Kazakhstan!
    2. venaya
      venaya 2 October 2015 08: 33 New
      +8
      Brilliant article! It very accurately describes my own, personal experience. If only I had the opportunity to read it earlier, how many nerves could I save myself. Here is a concept such as:
      the concept of democracy
      as we foolishly imagine, it is interpreted extremely vulgarly, our media is completely to blame. These words can especially confirm those who have lived there for a considerable time. Compression in every word (do not look at their stupid shows), manifests itself every second. You really need to see it with your own eyes and feel their inner tension, even when communicating “tete to tete”. They can only speak freely: “when you take off your Putin,” when the conversation is transferred to their leadership, or even more so to their media, a complete reincarnation takes place, the person changes before his eyes, and the conversation can continue without being offended, useless, offended.
      1. Chak
        Chak 3 October 2015 07: 57 New
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        Excuse me!!! Minus by mistake, the tablet failed! How to fix???
    3. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 2 October 2015 10: 21 New
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      In any country there is an official state line and anyone who goes against it can fall into the pencil of the special services. Germany is for the current Kiev government and against the DPR and LPR, respectively, those who help the first in their honor, who help the second are terrorists. Our state policy is turned exactly 180 degrees. I think that all those who support the current Kiev authorities on a note from our special services and high-profile criminal cases instituted about the leak of state secrets on losses are proof of this. So, as they say, everyone has their own truth. And neither we nor they have democracy.
      1. Erg
        Erg 2 October 2015 11: 57 New
        +3
        Democracy is a fake. In principle, not possible. I would give her the definition of "mess and anarchy." Only a dictatorship (to one degree or another) is capable of creating. But the world behind the scenes, ruling humanity - is this not a dictatorship? wink
    4. vlade99
      vlade99 3 October 2015 12: 13 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      the concept of democracy is turned upside down in the WEST

      Nothing is upside down. Just a substitution of concepts. The percentage of slaves who did not have any rights and people is approximately the same as in current democracies - the population and the state apparatus. slaves were gently called the population and everyone is happy. By the way, we also have democracy. And, the fact that they are still giving voice is not for everyone, not for everything, and not for long, judging by the number of finalists against the freedom of thought that our State Duma has been taking lately. And, the people who live in the Kremlin do not give a damn what the slaves think about it.
  2. Wolka
    Wolka 2 October 2015 06: 25 New
    +5
    definitely not mine, I am a man accustomed to discipline, therefore I understand freedom primarily as a manifestation of mutual discipline and respect for people around me ...
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 2 October 2015 21: 41 New
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      Freedom (according to Marx) is a “conscious need” - to understand and accept the scientifically based theory of the reorganization of the rules of society and to follow this theory in practical matters. Discipline (from Latin) - following order, organization. Respect for people around is an elementary education. And the last sentence of an article by respected Domocles (or is it still a Banshee?)
      Mouth something just can not be closed. I'm used to, you know ...

      vividly reminded the immortal-Soviet-Kukryniksovskiy "Chatterbox is a godsend for a spy."
      Do not get used to talking in vain and in the wrong company, and you will be happy.
      1. domokl
        domokl 3 October 2015 04: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: OldWiser
        Do not get used to talking in vain and in the wrong company, and you will be happy.

        Alas, it is precisely what we “chat” and communicate with different people that makes it possible to have first-hand information. It is from the first. And not from other media. That is why you read what we sometimes write. I don’t want to be a repeater. Here, literate people gather and can independently read something in the original source.
  3. Grbear
    Grbear 2 October 2015 06: 40 New
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    Do not tell mine ...
    Democracy, as an object and as a term does not exist materially. The term is the philosophical composition of two words that contradict each other in content, and the object is an interpretation of this term. If the basis is a contradiction, then what will be the interpretation?
    Pure "physiology":
    - the share of economically active population in any country does not exceed 10%, i.e. 10 out of a hundred people are ready to assume economic responsibility for the results of the remaining 90 that will implement their decisions.
    - the share of actual leaders is even smaller. A leader should be understood as a person who is able to attract people from the same 10 and 90, i.e. no more than 1-2%, and then on condition that they are not "eaten" by the current system.
    What kind of "democracy" can we talk about? Clans, parties, unions assembled according to "interests" put forward a "leader" chosen according to their criteria (someone else chose McCain) and "rushed soul to paradise" - someone, and the prize is a feeder and the opportunity to command, if not whole hundred, then 95%.
    Whatever the method of government is called (tyranny or democracy), if the majority of the population feels confidence in the future, then this is worthy of governance. Everything else is crap.
    1. BMW
      BMW 2 October 2015 08: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: GrBear
      Everything else is crap.


      You’ll go all the way to fascism - there’s only one step left.
      In general, the article deals with the freedom of expression and communication.
      But because, any control implies a restriction and freedom becomes a relative concept that can be twisted as you like, justifying the removal of control obstacles, the main thing is not to lose the line that outlines reasonable limits. It is these limits that are the value that implies the concept of democracy. Hence the conclusion that absolute freedom should be limited by the external framework that ensures the stability of management, and the internal framework that provides the possibility of unhindered development of society. what
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 2 October 2015 11: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: bmw
        But because, any control implies a restriction and freedom becomes a relative concept,


        And freedom cannot be, by definition, an absolute concept, if one goes deeper, as does independence.
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 2 October 2015 12: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: B.T.W.
          And freedom cannot be by definition

          But there is, there are Thomas-unbelievers ...
        2. BMW
          BMW 2 October 2015 14: 02 New
          +5
          Quote: B.T.W.
          And freedom cannot be, by definition, an absolute concept, if one goes deeper, as does independence.


          So after all, very many do not understand this and do not want to understand. Even such a postulate, which seems to have gotten tired of it, “my freedom ends where the freedom of another person begins”, is understood one-sidedly, that my freedom is unlimited and absolute and is the highest value and cannot be doubted. You look what is happening in the country. Indeed, rudeness and disrespect are a derivative of permissiveness, originating from the concept of freedom, which is understood as absolute.
    2. Cherdak
      Cherdak 2 October 2015 12: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: GrBear
      Democracy, as an object and as a term does not exist materially.

      Yeah, but to live "according to concepts" is the objective reality given to us in sensations?

      Just "democracy" as a bugbear is used by all and sundry in their own interests. That is the Communists "Communism is the highest form of democracy" (c) V.I. Lenin, then the United States of America, which really is a superbly organized oligocracy, where the façade and illusion are disguised as the best in the world, but at the same time, the level of real democracy is not only not higher than in many other countries, but much lower.

      I personally am very good. I respect Mr. Ulyanov. The cleverest was a man who combined in himself both a strategist and tactics. His statement "Of all the arts, cinema is the most important for us." already then said that the general media will help solve any problem. He who controls the flow of information can manipulate consciousness.

      Somewhere so my IMHO
  4. strelets
    strelets 2 October 2015 06: 41 New
    +7
    Yes, no, there has long been neither democracy, nor freedom of speech, nor freedom of the press. The local special services would be better off working against terrorists.
    1. Astrey
      Astrey 2 October 2015 10: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: strelets
      there has long been no democracy, no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press

      The answer to all questions is detailed and advance: "There is a war in the country." And a hint: "A fool asks questions, twice asks - crazy."

      That’s freedom of speech.

      It's hard to be a talker, the interlocutor is 90% informer.

      But is it not so in the Russian Federation? (A provocative question, but a fundamental answer is interesting).
      1. Erg
        Erg 2 October 2015 12: 05 New
        +2
        Not this way! In Russia, people, at least, understand what is really happening. And they can talk about it. hi
      2. Erg
        Erg 2 October 2015 12: 09 New
        0
        "There is war in the country," "the fool asks questions." Tell me - who is fighting with whom? And I, perhaps, better understand you.
        1. Astrey
          Astrey 4 October 2015 13: 38 New
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          Thanks for the reply, Erg. Read soothingly. I'd like to believe, because in the general cultural space the penetration of ideas is still possible. Only few are left in the world of nationalist dreams.
          1. Erg
            Erg 4 October 2015 23: 12 New
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            Very florid. However, I understand you. thank hi
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  5. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 2 October 2015 06: 43 New
    +4
    As in that proverb: with whom you will lead, he needs it ... in the end, those who were seduced by the Democrats from behind a puddle, involuntarily grabbed like macaques, without thinking, why? So it turned out: that something has grown, it will not be better ...
  6. BlackDragon
    BlackDragon 2 October 2015 06: 55 New
    -10
    Victor went to court. Both the provider and the police. The trial was held in record time and ended in a fine of 2 euros. A fine was awarded to Victor. There’s nothing to say.

    Now, if you raise such a serious topic, please allow me to provide evidence, because scribble on the Internet they are not.
    1. Serafim-k
      Serafim-k 2 October 2015 10: 21 New
      +2
      This is you sir, apparently except the Internet you have no other sources of information ... read more books, they say it helps from ignorance ... (for example .. T.V. Gracheva, they describe the events that are taking place in the world now, written 2-3 years ago.) hi
      1. BlackDragon
        BlackDragon 2 October 2015 12: 52 New
        -7
        it’s you, sir, that you are accustomed to taking all nonsense of a propaganda sense at face value, and did not ask yourself why the “heroes” of this loonies have no surnames, why links to open sources on the basis of law were not sentenced? Yes, and if you are such “fighters”, then let's bring out the case number on which it would be possible to verify the veracity of all this.
        1. domokl
          domokl 2 October 2015 19: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: BlackDragon
          Yes, and if you are such “fighters”, then let's bring out the case number on which it would be possible to verify the veracity of all this.

          Here you can’t take anyone to the "weak" ... The general review for most of our topics will end in a basement for sources. And you know that very well.
          Usually I don’t explain such things, but you’ve been rewarded ... Sorry, I didn’t understand from stupidity or from cunning.
          1. -Barbarian-
            -Barbarian- 10 October 2015 20: 15 New
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            Quote: domokl
            domokl RU 2 October 2015 19: 11 ↑
            Quote: BlackDragon
            Yes, and if you are such “fighters”, then let's bring out the case number on which it would be possible to verify the veracity of all this.
            Here you can’t take anyone on the “weak” ... The general review for most of our topics will end in a basement for sources. And you know that very well.
            Usually I don’t explain such things, but you’ve been rewarded ... Sorry, I didn’t understand from stupidity or from cunning.



            Domocles, judging by your article, you tried to prove that there is freedom of speech in the Russian Federation (in the article, however, you have examples “from the opposite” - you showed only how “they” have bad ones). However, when it came to a simple (and the only!) Request in the comments to confirm that you provided the information (on the “case” of Viktor, who ALREADY left Germany for the Russian Federation), then you started talking “cunning syllable”. From scratch, they started demagoguery about basements for the general viewing of "most of our topics." Is this really a "special" topic that threatens with "consequences"? Of course not! I would say that this is a common topic, which makes us, once again, resent and resent the bourgeois inadequate persecution of an honest person. You must admit that it’s not “kosher” to twist, in fact, an ordinary event in the EU (a court decision that did not suit the accused much). After all, NOW Victor is in the blessed and free country of the Russian Federation, where he is not threatened with lawsuits from Germany, and where he can calmly present facts by an incorrect court decision. And, judging by your words, in free Russia, Victor or you are not threatened by basements or suits for your personal opinion. Nevertheless, you are talking about "basements" ... Apparently, for free-thinking and speaking Russians.
            You really wrote an article well, for this you and your friend “plus”, however, when it comes to practice, it turns out that it was just words. Since you immediately started talking about possible problems for covering a "dangerous" topic.
            So where is the freedom of speech or the choice of freedom, huh ?!
        2. Awaz
          Awaz 3 October 2015 21: 52 New
          +1
          I also once encountered something similar. That is, I initially did not pay attention that my interlocutor from Europe talked with me on the topic of geopolitics in a half-whisper. Well, really. With ordinary idle talk, this was not noticed. But even in this conversation, we didn’t discuss anything particularly seditious, the only thing was that he tried to somehow praise Putin’s activities. He did not scold his rulers, but gently hinted at their infantility and stupidity. It was before the Crimea and the Olympics. And now I understand that he was probably afraid ... Although it may have seemed to me, but he read the article - it turns out that it did not seem ...
  7. populist
    populist 2 October 2015 06: 55 New
    +4
    The topic is interesting, complex, voluminous and even philosophical.
    One famous person said, "You cannot live in society and be free from society."
    And what about these issues in China?
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 October 2015 06: 58 New
    +3
    to talk about Ukraine, for example, Americans do not risk

    And there is nothing surprising in this. It is enough to listen to what American politicians say and how events are presented in their media, it becomes clear the main thing is that a country that doesn’t just constantly lie, but lies hard and with a sadistic pressure just can not even stutter about some kind of democracy and freedom of speech. In the United States, ordinary fascism is developing at an accelerated pace.
    1. sevsor
      sevsor 2 October 2015 10: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      to talk about Ukraine, for example, Americans do not risk

      And there is nothing surprising in this. It is enough to listen to what American politicians say and how events are presented in their media, it becomes clear the main thing is that a country that doesn’t just constantly lie, but lies hard and with a sadistic pressure just can not even stutter about some kind of democracy and freedom of speech. In the United States, ordinary fascism is developing at an accelerated pace.

      Yeah, one cannot disagree with you, especially with "he is lying tough and with a sadistic pressure, he simply cannot even stutter about some kind of democracy and freedom of speech." I think many people remember the footage from American TV, where a mother and a girl from South Ossetia suddenly began to say what they did not expect from them - urgently "there were technical problems and it became necessary to urgently transmit an advertisement")) This did not happen in any country with "dictatorial" modes)).
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 2 October 2015 07: 17 New
    +2
    I don’t remember who I read from .. Freedom is limited by a long leash ..
  10. SPACE
    SPACE 2 October 2015 07: 25 New
    +4
    There can be no democracy in the army, during the war, democracy in the country goes by the wayside, but if there is an economic and information war, is democracy necessary in this case? In the United States and in the West there is no absolute democracy and there has never been one, capitalism and democracy are incompatible concepts in principle, it can only be relative and can only be a screen for fools and given from above only for a people inclined to rebellion, as a hope for equality, which in in reality, it’s not a dream come true, but as a compromise law, how to climb stairs upward.
  11. slizhov
    slizhov 2 October 2015 07: 29 New
    +3
    THE GOLDEN TIME OF UKROdemocracy is over ...
    Now, Ukraine will no longer be the NAIL of the PROGRAM on each inter-party.
    Putin skillfully shifted the gaze of the whole world to that wound, which pus can "choke" the entire planet.
    Well ... everyone now understood the QUALITY of the many-month-old nonsense of the “politicians” independent, they killed an amount of Russian technology and grind our elite troops :)
    1. Erg
      Erg 2 October 2015 12: 17 New
      0
      Fools understand only "on the fingers." wassat
  12. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 2 October 2015 08: 00 New
    +5
    The author writes the absolute truth. In the west, where everyone is listening and everyone is trying to avoid talking and correspondence on "sharp" topics, so as not to fall into the "unreliable". Moreover, the security services of companies and enterprises monitor their employees. It comes to the “ridiculous” one of my acquaintances, a good “techie”, but not understanding, generally “computers” and everything connected with them, they called for a “conversation” in the “office” where they were intensely interested in why he still does not have an account in social networks? Dude "sweated and blushed" trying to explain that he was not at odds with computers — but such an excuse did not work — in order not to get into “unreliable” he had to ask his daughter to start a Facebook page for him. smile
  13. Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 2 October 2015 08: 14 New
    0
    We have more or less, of course, the media are mainly oriented, but people express themselves more or less freely. And not at all like in the media, but in private conversations.
  14. eleronn
    eleronn 2 October 2015 08: 17 New
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    I can say, quite precisely, that the Lithuanians (on the Lithuanian news resource) mock their leadership very sophisticatedly. I have read such a thing ...
  15. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 2 October 2015 08: 18 New
    +1
    It turns out that if before in the USSR there was strict censorship of print, TV, speeches, personal actions - now They have it. They could have different parties and talk what you want. Now it's with us. Any ------- crawls out and crap in different ways. Looking at Idiots I sometimes regret the censorship I didn’t find. And there was also an article for artists for “immorality,” they say - six months. Our people would go there. (I don’t write names, I have to hurry, they often wrote about them like that). All adults used to say - It's beautiful and clean. Everywhere there. Now everyone says - Petersburg has never been as beautiful and well-groomed as it is now. And There- -Arabic guano everywhere! Did you learn stupid things from fools? So that other fools would knit for us again?
    The article is correct, thank you for the authors have pressed this topic.
    1. Denis DV
      Denis DV 2 October 2015 09: 20 New
      +1
      I’ll clarify, according to the “immorality”, not only the artists passed, this applied to everyone. I know a couple of cases and they were not artists lol As the saying goes - "face maral" laughing Oh yes! Western propaganda was not inferior to Soviet, and censorship and persecution of those who disagree were also present.
  16. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 2 October 2015 09: 18 New
    +4
    Some kind of vague concept of free speech by the author what It turns out that if I can not openly blaspheme my President, then we do not have freedom of speech? Or maybe I do not want !!!? Or maybe I still have a concept of elementary respect for the authorities or a person in particular !!!? This does not count ??? Or should freedom of speech be judged about the nasty things openly ?? Everyone is silent and no one is spoiling their own power - everything, there is no freedom of speech, everyone is being watched, everyone is afraid .... laughing Kindergarten....
    At least I sleep calmly and I consider fairy tales about KGB surveillance as fairy tales! In order to get caught for political insults, you really have to try hard !!! Yes, and so far no one has closed the sites! One "Charter" of which is worth its diarrhea ...
    And on the topics of politics everyone freely speaks WITHIN THE LAW AND WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK!
    Personally, my opinion hi
  17. loaln
    loaln 2 October 2015 11: 13 New
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    I understand the author, but I do not understand the meaning of the affected. The style is narrative-interrogative. As with any given conversation examples. People are always waiting for opinions, not questions: "How are you?" Most have a tacit answer right away. Not quite cultural. Type: "As long as ... so ...". This is the first thing that caught my eye.
    The second one. More interesting. What, until now, is it still unclear to anyone that in the world of capital there is NO FREEDOM, none other than the freedom of self-destruction of an individual? With the freedom to choose ways and means.
    If it is clear, at least partially, then why the question is not asked: "Why do we still exist (do not live) in this world?" Why, with money and power, those who drove us here, and now make fun of cattle.
    Now, when speakers and writers want to answer this question, then their "opuses" will be perceived and hurt the minds. And now - this is informational garbage.
  18. hrapon
    hrapon 2 October 2015 12: 11 New
    +1
    To the author: Good article. Everything is very accurately noticed.

    These are the “signs of a civilizational rift”.
    1. domokl
      domokl 2 October 2015 12: 43 New
      +2
      Thank. But when this break occurred, you need to think ... When freedom has become the need to be like everyone else ...
  19. yakub
    yakub 2 October 2015 17: 43 New
    +4
    A strange article from respected authors. I myself live in Ireland, work for an American company. I freely discuss on Skype with relatives from Russia any topics, I do not observe any horrors of surveillance. I communicate with the "Russian Germans", though through Tim Speak, we also freely discuss Ukraine and so on, have not planted anyone yet. I am writing this comment right from the workplace, apparently I will have to expect an early dismissal :)
  20. gladcu2
    gladcu2 2 October 2015 19: 43 New
    +1
    Did not meet problems either. Although I don’t criticize my own, or even the governments of others. I do not see the point.
    The probability described by the author is possible and there are many methods. But since freedom of speech is declared, then in the framework of decency I do not see crime.

    If you read the political comments in the forums of the central newspapers, there is direct and categorical criticism. Therefore, I think that the topic is slightly not objective.
  21. ivan3211
    ivan3211 3 October 2015 08: 52 New
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    Quote: Erg
    Not this way! In Russia, people, at least, understand what is really happening. And they can talk about it. hi

    But what really happens is that Satan rules the whole world!
    And in Russia, some people are busy stuffing bottomless pockets, others elementary physical survival, like everyone else in the world !!! Accordingly, "understanders and talkers" defines being, which is what the prince of this world requires ...
  22. provincial
    provincial 5 October 2015 09: 27 New
    +1
    And here in Russia, if you want to live without problems-- "watch the bazaar," the old phrase "this is not a telephone conversation" is relevant. You can freely or relatively freely speak at the shows of P. Tolstoy, V. Solovyov and other programs permitted by the leadership of these channels, but they know what is possible, what is impossible. They did not pay attention to the fact that these shows go on late time, but at the same time A. Malakhov’s show, Gordon comes out just when people come home from work, have dinner and sit down at the mailbox., but the main characters in these shows at Malakhov and Gordon are the mother’s drunks, grandmothers and grandfathers, and etc. not a word about politics in these programs, but WHY? I don’t agree that forum users are neglected when expressing negative opinions about Putin, this is the work of a VO moderator. They once confirmed that they were following our statements without specifying who, supposedly for a mat. I personally stopped playing with these expressions long ago, but I continue to receive warnings if I express something about the leadership of the country and the State Duma.