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Banderovsky historian: "Numerous Ukrainian victims during the Second World War were due to the lack of statehood in Ukraine"

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The director of the so-called institute of national memory of Ukraine, in addition to calling himself a Ukrainian historian, Mr. Vyatrovich opened the exhibition “Ukrainian Second World War”. During the solemn ceremony, Vyatorovich announced that the losses of Ukraine (estimated by him at 10 millions) are so great, since “Ukraine did not have its own statehood”.


According to the “historian” logic, if Ukraine were an independent state, would the losses be less? In principle, this logic fits into Bandera thinking, because Bandera did not intend to resist the Nazi occupation, and even if Ukraine was considered independent by 1941, it would hardly be possible for the country to have this independence if there were Bandera "rulers". This fact is obvious, based on the fact that the current authorities of Ukraine, who transferred the state under external control, do not value sovereignty either.

Портал "PolitNavigator" reports that during the exhibition there is a frank information pressure on the partisan movement of Ukraine (regarding the red partisans). Vyatkovich presents works that tell about the Holocaust in Ukraine, and right there the question is presented: “Where were the partisans at that moment?”, As if the partisan movement in 1941-1942 could afford to openly oppose the Nazis and their accomplices in the same Kiev ...

Banderovsky historian: "Numerous Ukrainian victims during the Second World War were due to the lack of statehood in Ukraine"


During the exhibition, numerous photographs of German documents and leaflets that Ukrainians should join the ranks of the Nazi army were published. In general, the focus of the exhibition is very specific.
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  1. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 September 2015 13: 53 New
    +13
    Everything is yet to come ....
    1. Genych
      Genych 30 September 2015 13: 55 New
      +3
      Vyatkovich presents works in which he talks about the Holocaust in Ukraine, and the question is immediately presented in the material: “Where were the partisans at that moment?”

      The partisans will soon be, as will the regular army.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 September 2015 13: 56 New
      +9
      The guys are off topic, but I can’t wassat
      The decision of Russia to send troops to Syria is unacceptable, - Yatsenyukhttp://www.dsnews.ua/world/yatsenyuk-prokommentiroval-reshenie-putina-otpravit-v
      oyska-xnumx
      1. Andrea
        Andrea 30 September 2015 14: 00 New
        +1
        Class !!!!!!!!! goodThere are no words alone colic !!!! laughing
        1. Good me
          Good me 30 September 2015 14: 49 New
          +3
          Banderovsky historian: "Numerous Ukrainian victims during the Second World War were due to the lack of statehood in Ukraine"

          It’s like: “If we had a Bandera state, we would have agreed with Hitler”?

          Without a doubt, they would have agreed, even now, they are demonstrating impressive gutterness towards the owners.

          And all contrary to common sense, and the interests of the majority of the population.
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      2. Sergey K.
        Sergey K. 30 September 2015 14: 01 New
        +3
        The guys are off topic, but I can’t

        Another Washington-made speech, which Ukrainian puppets happily voiced.
      3. katalonec2014
        katalonec2014 30 September 2015 14: 04 New
        +2
        Yes, he was scared, he understands that Russia will succeed in Syria, which will greatly strengthen Russia's authority in the world.
      4. hydrox
        hydrox 30 September 2015 14: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The decision of Russia to send troops to Syria is unacceptable, - Yatsenyuk

        What is unacceptable for Yatsenyuk is high for us!
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 30 September 2015 17: 35 New
          +2
          The decision of Russia to send troops to Syria is unacceptable, - Yatsenyuk


          As the saying goes: "rabbits are not only loose stools ..." laughing
          1. BMP-2
            BMP-2 30 September 2015 22: 54 New
            +1
            ... but also the obvious lack of balls!
        2. soldat74
          soldat74 30 September 2015 21: 03 New
          +1
          And who is egg-laying? Is he some kind of politician?
      5. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 30 September 2015 15: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The guys are off topic, but I can’t wassat
        The decision of Russia to send troops to Syria is unacceptable, - Yatsenyukhttp://www.dsnews.ua/world/yatsenyuk-prokommentiroval-reshenie-putina-otpravit-v


        oyska-xnumx


        Senya darling, do not rush across the igil, your banderlogs are next! am
    3. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 30 September 2015 14: 14 New
      +2
      to hang this "historian" is necessary for one place on a pillory !!!
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 30 September 2015 15: 31 New
        +2
        Normal Bandera logic - they would let the Nazis pass and go to serve them ... which, however, they did.
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 30 September 2015 13: 53 New
    +2
    Director of the so-called Institute of National Memory of Ukraine, in addition to calling himself a Ukrainian historian, Mr. Vyatrovich
    did he only share the substances with him, or did he splash the gorilka too?
  3. Sergey K.
    Sergey K. 30 September 2015 13: 53 New
    +4
    According to the logic of the “historian,” if Ukraine were an independent state, would losses be less?

    Of course! The Nazis would be greeted with bread and salt! To bend under someone they do better than anyone else.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 30 September 2015 14: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Sergey K.
      To bend under someone they do better than anyone else.


      Genetically perfect bedding - that’s why the Yankees didn’t rely on Moldova with rumanesques, but on shit! ;-))
    2. soldat74
      soldat74 30 September 2015 21: 05 New
      0
      What history confirms.
    3. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 30 September 2015 21: 37 New
      0
      There were those that met ....
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  5. Chaffinch
    Chaffinch 30 September 2015 13: 55 New
    +2
    I think that the already short and inglorious Ukrainian history will end soon, and similar "historians" will sink into oblivion
    As Ishchenko said: Ukraine is like a dead man whose hair and nails grow after death
  6. Severomor
    Severomor 30 September 2015 13: 56 New
    +5
    ...... the losses are so great, since "Ukraine" did not have its own statehood

    Gave statehood .... for 23 years hollowed out the country. No more.
  7. Bombardier
    Bombardier 30 September 2015 13: 57 New
    +13
    Yes there, insanity rolls over and will only intensify, you just look belay :
    1. brasist
      brasist 30 September 2015 14: 47 New
      +3
      Is this a joke or the saloids are completely stung?
    2. Bombardier
      Bombardier 30 September 2015 14: 48 New
      0
      Add a picture of "oil":
      And here’s the report on the successful flag, from the deputy chief of the GUVD of Ukraine in the Donetsk region (that is, psychos wave at the state order and in the company with reforming cops!) Ilya Kiva: “Today we checked the checkpoint with the occupied territory of Crimea, the blockade is 100% continues, the railway line going to the Titan plant was closed, held a meeting with the “blockade coordination headquarters” to improve interaction. The largest state flag was unfurled at the Kalanchak checkpoint, which caused the enemy to panic! Crimea is Ukraine !!! "


      Just look at this herd, what a frenzy they wave! it wassat
      1. brasist
        brasist 30 September 2015 16: 20 New
        +2
        What are they trying to shake off?
      2. soldat74
        soldat74 30 September 2015 21: 09 New
        +1
        They shake out the palace, as if I were telling you!
    3. soldat74
      soldat74 30 September 2015 21: 07 New
      0
      Sorry for the sacrilege, but I think that soon it will be added to the face of Jesus forelock.
  8. APS
    APS 30 September 2015 13: 58 New
    +6
    Another Euro Bandera. Well, it’s necessary not to know the history, the states that the fascists let themselves in, concentration camps, crematoriums were built right there and the extermination of people began, well, like the same tale again, that everything would be fine with them, well, there’s some kind of virus it amazes these figures ...
  9. anderles66
    anderles66 30 September 2015 14: 00 New
    +2
    Something in this can be found by imagining. If Ukraine were independent, then in the attack on the USSR, it would act on the side of Germany, like many other European countries. Perhaps, in this version of the victims there would really be fewer. Though...
  10. roskot
    roskot 30 September 2015 14: 01 New
    +4
    Kokov historians, such is the history of the country.
  11. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 September 2015 14: 01 New
    +3
    Sasha on the sleeve of a policeman is written ...! bully (yesterday the dispute about the cops)))
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 30 September 2015 14: 44 New
      0
      Stop anti-Semitic propaganda: kakly, after all, Jews are being bullied, and this is a collective host!
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 30 September 2015 15: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        Stop anti-Semitic propaganda: kakly, after all, Jews are being bullied, and this is a collective host!

        And here it is ... Just a dispute yesterday! The police or the police .. Romanov likes the police (in China like that) in our Urals Cops are somehow calmer ... And the Jews in Birobidzhan ..)))) (pictured are police bandages)))
    2. soldat74
      soldat74 30 September 2015 21: 11 New
      +1
      But judging by archival data, these heroes fought at the sight of armed people.
  12. VP
    VP 30 September 2015 14: 01 New
    +1
    The power will change - it will open another museum where it will praise others. Is that what?
    Mentality-s
    1. katalonec2014
      katalonec2014 30 September 2015 14: 08 New
      +1
      Bridges, squares, avenues, and even entire settlements, will have to be renamed back, these rulers are now breaking such firewood there.
  13. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 30 September 2015 14: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Everything is yet to come ....


    Here such a hoopoe sticks to the Wheel ... I feel sorry for Ukraine, honestly.
  14. cuzmin.mihail2013
    cuzmin.mihail2013 30 September 2015 14: 02 New
    +5
    Of course! The Nazis would be greeted with bread and salt!
    Often it was, especially in the West of Ukraine. Well, the Crimean Tatars.

    1. soldat74
      soldat74 30 September 2015 21: 17 New
      0
      These bitch *** have committed atrocities no less than their peasants. And according to the recollections of our partisan veterans, in 1944, when catching policemen and other "banderlogs", men were shot, and women were sent to the rear for "clarifications." But in my opinion ...
  15. Grbear
    Grbear 30 September 2015 14: 08 New
    +5
    I sometimes think that Ukrainians will never become close to Russians. If the Soviet generation allowed this, then what about the generations that were brought up in this. This can only be etched through hardship and pain, but they will find the guilty one, and Russia will be his. And the "fairy tale" will happen again ... Sadness ...
  16. Sobol
    Sobol 30 September 2015 14: 08 New
    +7
    "Numerous Ukrainian victims during the Second World War were due to the lack of statehood in Ukraine"
    And the numerous Ukrainian victims in the Donbass, not so long ago, due to her (statehood of Ukraine) presence?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 30 September 2015 14: 46 New
      +1
      Do not invent: the Yankees were present there, but the statehood did not even smell - that’s why the Kakly are not a nation, but only a nationality! ;-))
    2. soldat74
      soldat74 30 September 2015 21: 20 New
      0
      Sorry, but I do not agree. There is no statehood there, no, and never will be.
  17. Loner_53
    Loner_53 30 September 2015 14: 09 New
    +6
    Tell me, who in Russia needs a ruin with such historians? How many Bender scum, after serving it turned out and took
    for the upbringing of their offspring, who now jumped up, pouring Russian lead and shit. This is a flaw in the NKVD and the KGB, so the FSB must be marked all of them, and then marked foreheads (historians) and galloping greens. angry
  18. 79807420129
    79807420129 30 September 2015 14: 10 New
    +13
    These freaks have something to be proud of: -Khatyn and many villages of Belarus, the Volyn massacre, many zapadentsev served in the ss "Galicia", served in concentration camps and were directly involved in the mass executions of prisoners. Now this scum has climbed out.
  19. Eastern wind
    Eastern wind 30 September 2015 14: 23 New
    +1
    Worse will not be ...
  20. Black cat
    Black cat 30 September 2015 14: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: Sergey K.
    Of course! The Nazis would be greeted with bread and salt! To bend under someone they do better than anyone else.

    You shouldn’t be so. Bandera is a disgrace to the Ukrainian people, like our Vlasovites. Then there were other people, they did not need the European Union and the United States, they fought for the USSR, for their homeland. Look how many Heroes of the Soviet Union were among Ukrainians, how many partisans. The fact that their descendants are such that they sold for rags and an imaginary sweet life from the EU is a tragedy, but if such a “historian” made such statements in Kiev in the 40th year, they would have hung him without the NKVD and would not have forgiven them.
  21. fridge
    fridge 30 September 2015 14: 34 New
    +1
    Thanks to such historians, politicians of other rushers, as well as their curators, a serious wedge is driven into the Slavic ethnic group. The Kremlin has a considerable merit in this, they may understand in the Kremlin what they have done, because the state border passes already not far from Moscow.
  22. Denis DV
    Denis DV 30 September 2015 17: 21 New
    0
    We do not translate correctly from Mova - not a historian, but hysterics bully
  23. mamont5
    mamont5 30 September 2015 17: 35 New
    0
    “Numerous photographs of German documents and leaflets were published during the exhibition stating that Ukrainians should join the ranks of the Nazi army. In general, the focus of the exhibition is very specific.”

    Here is the answer to the many cries of "where did you see the Bandera?", "Where did you see the fascists?" Where where? In Ukraine, in Kiev.

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    The guys are off topic, but I can’t wassat
    The decision of Russia to send troops to Syria is unacceptable, - Yatsenyukhttp://www.dsnews.ua/world/yatsenyuk-prokommentiroval-reshenie-putina-otpravit-v

    oyska-xnumx

    And this is not his rabbit affair.
    1. victor
      victor 30 September 2015 21: 39 New
      0
      You are the friends from the Mediterranean who have a father-in-law from Kiev, prove it. As Israel says - there are no Bandera, law enforcement officers and Nazis in Israel - all these are Putin's fakes ... And about such historians ... I have been wondering for a year and a half - where do they get such a tea leaves that it crushes them so?
  24. boroda64
    boroda64 30 September 2015 19: 26 New
    +1
    .....
    - when - there is no people / only the population /
    - Otkel to take the state ...
  25. 1rl141
    1rl141 1 October 2015 00: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Bombardier
    . At the Kalanchak checkpoint, the largest state flag was unfurled, which caused the enemy to panic! Crimea is Ukraine !!! "


    And where is the panic in the camp of the enemy? A bunch of idiots who have nothing to do - is visible. And there is no panic on the side of the enemy. I understand. This is the new secret weapon of Ukrainians. Last hope. You unwind the gigantic flag with a "dead dead" in front of the enemy’s position and start shaking them. With a raised wave of all-Ukrainian national anger, it blows away all enemies.
  26. 4ekist
    4ekist 2 October 2015 15: 20 New
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Everything is yet to come ....
    Banderlogs should be responsible for Khatyn. Yes, and modern stupid figures to leave a place on the crossbar.