Raising the retirement age. Forced measure for the development of the economy or a threat to the social order of the country?

Over the past few years, Russia has been actively discussing the issue of raising the retirement age. Referring to the experience of a number of other states, supporters of raising the retirement age from among the top officials of a number of ministries and departments argue that Russia should also raise the retirement age to 65 or at least 63 years. Speeches in support of raising the retirement age began to be heard especially actively after the deterioration of the economic situation in the country, caused by the decline in oil prices, the introduction of sanctions and inflation of the dollar and the euro.


There is no consensus in government

29 September it became known that the Minister of Labor and Social Protection of the Russian Federation Maxim Topilin at an expanded meeting of the Committee for Social Policy of the Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation said that in 2015, the issue of raising the retirement age would not be discussed. “It seems to me that this will not be the subject of the budget and 2017 of the year. From the budget point of view, from the point of view of the decisions that need to be made this year, there is no such governmental decision. I think it will not be there, ”said M. Topilin (quoted in: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2820742). The difficult financial situation in the country, according to Topilin, explains the readiness of the social block of the Russian government to agree with the financial block on the issue of pension indexation. However, the very discussion of the issue of raising pensions at a high level suggests that, sooner or later, this project can really become a reality. Actually, the Minister of Labor spoke about this. Shortly before Topilin’s speech, on September 23, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov spoke in the State Duma of the Russian Federation, who said that the budget was not only a way of social support, but also a tool to ensure the conditions for a new economic growth. Accordingly, in the current situation it is necessary to reduce consumption, restrain the growth of wages and pensions, raise the retirement age for citizens of the Russian Federation. High budget costs amid the price of a barrel of oil in 50 dollars in 2016-2018. will ensure the deficit of the federal budget of Russia in 8 trillion. rub. This year, the budget deficit has already exceeded 2,6 trillion. rub. Costs exceed revenues not only in the state budget, but also in the budget of the Pension Fund of Russia. Thus, at present, the expenditures of the PFR amount to 7,2 trillion. rubles, and revenues - 6,8 trillion. rub. Thus, we see the Pension Fund 400 billion deficit.

Raising the retirement age. Forced measure for the development of the economy or a threat to the social order of the country?

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According to Anton Siluanov, the issue of raising the retirement age in the Russian Federation should be considered immediately. Otherwise, you will have to increase the tax burden on the business. The increase in insurance premiums from 22% to 26%, provided for in the Russian Federation from 2018, is currently impossible to implement in the current economic situation. Therefore, raising the retirement age can be an alternative to not raising insurance premiums. Defending the need to raise the retirement age, Siluanov argues that early retirement in modern conditions creates obstacles to the development of the economy. In a few years, the number of pensioners will be larger than the number of working Russians. If 120 workers are currently providing retirees to 100, then in the foreseeable future, the situation may change in the direction of opposite numbers. By 2017, the RF Reserve Fund may shrink from 4,7 trillion. rub. to 500 billion rubles, resulting in the need to take funds from the National Wealth Fund, which will end in 2018 g. In the case of raising the retirement age will be saved from 620 billion to 1,3 trillion. rub. for three years. Also, the Ministry of Finance proposes to stop paying pensions to working pensioners whose salary is more than 500 thousand rubles a year (per month it is about 40 thousand rubles). Economic Development Minister Alexei Ulyukayev is not so categorical and, although he is also convinced of the correctness of raising the retirement age, doubts the need for the immediate introduction of this measure. According to TASS, the Minister of Labor and Social Protection of the Russian Federation, Maxim Topilin, believes that the necessary prerequisites for raising the retirement age will be formed when the average life expectancy of Russian citizens increases. According to the Minister, by 2020, the expected average life expectancy in the country will increase to 75 years, in which case there will be objective prerequisites for raising the retirement age. While the average life expectancy in the country is 71 a year, there can be no talk about raising the retirement age. Back in April 2015, the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin also stressed that the idea of ​​raising the retirement age requires extremely serious study. In the current situation, in the opinion of the head of state, a country cannot raise the retirement age and only in the future, and even then, subject to serious public consultation, can we return to discussing this topic.

Some of stories pension system in Russia

The modern pension system of Russia is rooted in the Soviet era. It was then that the pensions were introduced for workers and employees, and then collective farmers. The retirement age in 60 years for men and in 55 years for women was established in the Soviet Union in 1932. Such an early retirement was due, in the first place, to the extremely low average life expectancy in the USSR for 1930's. (The low life expectancy of the population of the USSR in the 1930s was maintained due to the high infant mortality). However, as the life expectancy of the Soviet population increased, the retirement age in the Soviet Union did not rise. In 1956, the law “On State Pensions” was passed; in 1964, the Law “On pensions and benefits to members of collective farms”. Men and women were entitled to retirement when working 25 and 20 years of work experience, respectively. At the same time, those workers who worked in difficult or harmful industries, as well as in the conditions of the Far North, in socially significant areas of activity, were entitled to an earlier retirement. When assigning the size of the pension, the average salary for 12 in the last months of work or for 5 continuous years from the last 10 years before applying for a pension was taken into account. However, the total amount of salary for a person’s working life did not determine the amount of the pension. There was a minimum and maximum pension, which largely contributed to the relative equation of the quality of life of Soviet pensioners.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Soviet pension system remained almost unchanged in Russia, especially with regard to the age at which citizens were allowed to have a well-deserved rest. The Russian pension system inherited three categories of labor pensions accepted in the USSR: by old age, by disability, on the occasion of the loss of the breadwinner, and a fourth category of pension insurance was allocated - for years of service, which assumed special conditions for certain groups of citizens who worked in specific conditions or for certain positions. The fundamental difference between the Russian pension system and the Soviet system was the transition from budget subsidies to earmarked contributions from employers and employees. Thus, the practice of social insurance was introduced in post-Soviet Russia. In accordance with the pension legislation, the provision of pensions was extended to all groups of the country’s population, including non-Russian citizens and those who did not have any work experience, which relied on social pension. In addition, the pension rights of all categories of the employed population - from workers to clergymen - were unified. The right to receive a full pension was established for all Russian pensioners. Thus, in post-Soviet Russia, all citizens over a certain age were on state support, which led to a significant increase in the pension obligations of the Russian state. However, some problems of the Soviet pension system in the Russian pension legislation have not been resolved, which has led to the conservation and complication of the pension system of the Russian Federation. Moreover, separate pension systems for military personnel, law enforcement officials, the judiciary, and the prosecutor’s office were separated from the pension system. In addition to the sophisticated retirement system, numerous opportunities for early retirement contributed to lowering the real retirement age. Numerous groups of not old and able-bodied people turned out to be on the state pensions. Finally, the system of pension deductions was not worked out, since the insurance rate for employees was kept at a minimum level - 1% of salary. The main pension deductions for employees were made by the employer. At the same time, the establishment of the maximum amount of pension deprived Russian employees of an incentive to participate in the pension system.

The further development of the Russian pension system was affected by the economic crisis that befell Russia in the first half of the 1990s. The destruction of industry and agriculture led to the release of multimillion masses of able-bodied population, for which there were no jobs. Fearing a social catastrophe, the state went for the introduction of additional rights for early retirement, as a result of which the number of pensioners, including those of working age, increased. Naturally, the increase in the number of pensioners demanded the inflow of new financial resources to the Pension Fund of Russia, which ultimately caused an increase in the PFR debt and, as a result, the crisis of the pension system in the country worsened. 7 1995 of August The concept of pension reform was approved, in the implementation of which the government of the country saw a likely way to improve the efficiency of the pension system and remove it from the crisis. This Concept envisaged as the main objectives of pension reform in the Russian Federation: 1) achieving the financial stability of the domestic pension system; 2) the implementation of the rights of citizens of the Russian Federation to the pension; 3) development of pension provision on the basis of state pension insurance and budget financing; 4) optimizing the management of the pension system and adapting it to market economy conditions that were different from the Soviet ones; 5) rationalization and optimization of the conditions of granting and the size of pensions of citizens of the Russian Federation. In accordance with the Concept, the pension system in the Russian Federation was divided into three levels. The first level was represented by a so-called. basic or social pension. The right to receive it was granted to all citizens of the Russian Federation, regardless of the basis for granting a pension and seniority. The basic social pension is granted on a solid basis on the basis of the subsistence minimum for a pensioner, and only non-working pensioners are entitled to receive it. The second level is labor or insurance pension paid to working citizens of the country on the basis of the duration of social insurance and the size of paid contributions. The calculation of the labor pension was supposed to be carried out on the basis of the insurance experience and the amount of wages with which insurance premiums were paid. Finally, the third level was represented by a non-state pension, which consisted of both the professional pension systems of individual departments, industries or regions, and personal savings of citizens in insurance companies and pension funds. Thus, it is in the Concept 1995. for the first time, the idea was expressed about the development of a non-state pension system for citizens. However, already in 1997 A new concept of pension reform was introduced, based on the Chilean experience of retirement benefits. But as a result of the discussion of the concept, it was established that it did not take into account the specifics of the socio-economic development of modern Russia. After finalizing the concept of 20 in May, 1998. The retirement plan was approved. In accordance with this Program, at the heart of the labor pension were two components - conditional and accumulative. To the beginning of 2000-ies. The country's leadership refused to raise the retirement age, not wishing to risk the support of the population. However, in 2002 the country has returned to the discussion of pension reform, the implementation of which occurred in 2002-2008. In general, the pension policy of the Russian Federation in 2000-ies. was aimed at improving the lives of the population and preventing the fall in the living standards of elderly Russians, which was due to considerations of a social and political nature. The basic part of the pension was raised, and the pension system itself is actually oriented towards supporting modern, not future, pensioners. This was also explained by political calculation - pensioners have always been the most disciplined part of the Russian electorate, and the victory of one or another political force or candidate in the presidential and parliamentary elections depends on their support. As for the future pensioners, Russian officials still prefer not to talk about their pension coverage. It is also unknown at what age they will retire - whether the current age bracket will remain in 60 and 55 years, or the retirement age will be raised to 63 or even 65 years.

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Pension in 65 years - a global trend

Proponents of raising the retirement age in a country usually refer to the experience of foreign countries, especially European countries, where the retirement age is indeed significantly higher than in the Russian Federation. Currently in Russia, men retire in 60 years, women in 55 years. This division is rooted in the Soviet past. In most countries of the world, including many post-Soviet states, the retirement age is now raised on average to 64-65 years. In the developed countries of Europe, the retirement age for men is usually equal to 65 years. At this age men in Austria, Belgium, Great Britain, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland retire. The same retirement age for men is set in Japan. In some European countries, the retirement age is “floating” and varies between 65 and 67 in Germany, 58 and 65 in Greece, 57 and 65 in Italy. As for women, in Great Britain, Belgium, Canada, Spain, Portugal, and France, the retirement age for men and women is equal. And in France, both men and women retire in 60 years, in the other listed countries - in 65 years. But this age mark is not the limit. So, in the US, the possibility of raising the retirement age from the current 65 to 69 years is being discussed. The Prime Minister of Sweden was in favor of raising the retirement age to 75 years (currently, the Swedes retire at the age of 61-67 years).

In April, 2015, the Minister of Finance Anton Siluanov, said that his department supported the idea of ​​raising the retirement age for women - from 55 to 63 years, and for men - from 60 to 63 years. Thus, there will be not only a general increase in the retirement age, but also its equation for both sexes. The idea of ​​raising the retirement age was also supported by the former Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation, Alexei Kudrin. As for foreign experts, they recommend raising the retirement age not even to 63, but to 65 years. The most radical variant of raising the retirement age is the introduction of this measure already in 2016, the second option is in 2017-2018, the third is after 2018. Among the main arguments in favor of raising the retirement age are most often the peculiarities of Russia's demographic development. In Russia, as in Europe, the population is rapidly aging. Already, 41 million 456 thousand people receiving pensions are registered with the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation. Of these, old-age pensions receive 34 million. 422 thousand people. Given the decline in the birth rate in the 1990-s, in the near future, the number of working-age population will only decrease, and the number of pensioners will increase. On the other hand, a significant part of Russian pensioners continue to work after retirement, since the size of the majority of pensions in the country does not allow them to remain on a relatively non-old and active person. After reaching the retirement age, in particular, the majority of workers in the fields of education, science and culture, and health care continue to work. That is, raising the retirement age for them will not be a serious problem - they already work. But, on the other hand, they are deprived of additional income in the form of a pension, respectively - the already not very good financial position of this category of population will worsen.

Before retirement in 65 can not live

Opponents of raising the retirement age cite the following arguments. First, in the Russian Federation - the average life expectancy of the population is extremely low compared with the countries of Europe and even many Asian countries. 20 January 2012, Vladimir Putin said that the average life expectancy in Russia exceeds 70 years. However, according to scientists, this is a very small indicator for a developed country. So, in the neighborhood with Russia there are such countries as Bangladesh and the DPRK, the Marshall Islands and Kyrgyzstan. At the same time, in the developed countries of the world we see completely different figures for the life expectancy of the population. Thus, in Japan, the life expectancy of the population is 84, in Australia - 83, in France, Spain, Iceland, Canada, Norway, Israel, Luxembourg - 82, Germany, the Netherlands, Great Britain, Ireland, Portugal - 81, Belgium , Chile, Denmark - 80 years, in the USA and Cuba - 79 years, in Croatia and the Czech Republic - 78 years, in Poland, Uruguay, Estonia - 77 years. It is remarkable that Russia is overtaken by third world countries in this indicator. Venezuela, Vietnam, Oman, Tunisia and even on the Cook Islands live 76 years, in Ecuador, Belize, Paraguay - 75 years, Cape Verde, Mauritius and Honduras - 74, Nicaragua, Grenada and Samoa - 73, and Cambodia - 72 of the year. Thus, the average Russian at retirement in 65 years only about 5-6 years will be able to live in the status of a pensioner, unlike the same German who will live in retirement 16 years, or an Australian who will live on retired 18 years. But this is - if we take the average life expectancy of the population. Meanwhile, it is necessary to take into account the extremely significant differences between the life expectancy of men and women in modern Russia.

The average Russian man lives to 63 years, and the woman to 75 years. That is, women on average live 12 longer. After 55 years, the real “pestilence” of Russian men begins, and death is getting younger every year - the number of men dying from cardiovascular diseases before the age of 55 and even before 50 years grows. In most developed countries of the world, women also live longer on average, but the difference in life expectancy is not so great - it usually reaches 4-5 years. So, in Australia, women live on average 85 years. And men - 81 year, in Italy - 80 and 85, in Israel - 80 and 84, in Norway - 80 and 84. In the Middle East countries with high longevity, this difference is even smaller: in Kuwait, men live 78 years, and women - 79 years, in Bahrain - 76 and 78 years, UAE - 76 and 78 years. In terms of the average life expectancy of men, Russia misses even more countries ahead of itself than in terms of the total life expectancy for both sexes. Russian men live on average less than men of Uzbekistan and Bhutan, the Philippines and Nepal, Namibia and Kiribati, the Solomon Islands and Tuvalu, Tajikistan and East Timor. Less than Russian men live only men in the underdeveloped countries of Tropical Africa, in which bloody wars continue and rage epidemics of dangerous diseases. Thus, the average life expectancy for men is less in Liberia (60 years), Kenya (59 years), Burkina Faso (57 years), Uganda (56 years), Angola and Chad (50 years), Sierra Leone and Lesotho 45 years). Naturally, with the average life expectancy of Russian men in 63, the idea of ​​raising the retirement age for men to 63 and, especially, 65 years, looks like a frank mockery of the male population of the country. After all, a significant part of men simply will not live to retirement and die in the workplace. Moreover, the "male" work is traditionally more difficult and complex, involving physical labor, the presence of good health. Meanwhile, for women, raising the retirement age to equal with men looks much more justified. After all, women, retiring in 55 years, on average, live in the status of a pensioner 20 years - that is, a period comparable to retirement in a developed European country.

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Raising the retirement age will cause unemployment

The next argument against raising the retirement age is the impending mass unemployment of persons of older age groups in the event that the conceived idea of ​​the Ministry of Finance is implemented. 3,25 is currently residing in the Russian Federation for millions of men between the ages of 60 and 65 years and 10,25 of millions of women between the ages of 55 and 65 years. That is, it is 13,5 million. Most of them, with the exception of the disabled and certain categories of pensioners, will have to be provided with jobs. Where to get jobs for such a large group of Russian citizens? The Ministry of Finance is unable to give an answer to this question. At least, it is clear that there are no such number of vacancies in the Russian Federation, and there will not be in the foreseeable future. Moreover, at present, the economic crisis in the country has led to the fact that the cuts have also affected a large number of young professionals with good qualifications and modern skills. Millions of people over the years and 25-45 were out of work. It turns out that the current "prepensioners" will have to compete with them for jobs. Unemployment benefit in the Russian Federation does not exceed 4,5 thousand rubles, after the first year of unemployment - no more than 850 rubles - absolutely non-subsistence money. It turns out that in case of raising the retirement age, millions of people will remain not only without pensions, but also unemployed. In fact, they will be left without livelihoods. This will lead to a real social catastrophe, the consequences of which for Russian society and the state will be difficult to predict.

Anna Ochkina, Director of the Center for Social Analysis at the Institute of Globalization and Social Movements, emphasizes that the proposals for raising the retirement age put forward by the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation call into question the competence of officials. After all, the Ministry of Finance makes the preservation of state funds dependent on raising the retirement age, while at the same time refusing to revise the Pension Fund of Russia. Meanwhile, without conducting this audit, which no one is talking about, it is impossible to know how much money there is at the disposal of the FIU. On the other hand, the proposal not to pay pensions to working pensioners looks no less strange. Most pensioners do not work from a good life, but because they cannot adequately retire. However, in the event of the termination of the payment of pensions, they can count all the pros and cons and choose dismissal from work. As a result, enterprises and institutions may lose their highly qualified and experienced specialists, who are still full of strength and could work further on condition that they retain pension payments. In addition, pensioners deserved their pensions by many years and often by very hard work. How can you deprive them of earned, earned money if they continue to work, even if they get a good job at their place of work? State Duma Deputy Alexander Chuev believes that raising the retirement age will create additional problems not only for older people before retirement age, but also for young professionals. Indeed, in this case, the category of women aged 55-65 years and men aged 60-65 years will remain at work in their posts and, accordingly, young professionals will not be able to find a job. That is, it will be necessary to create additional jobs for young people, which so far are also not taken into account by the state. Representatives of the Communist Party speak about raising the retirement age more specifically. So, the deputy chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Valery Rashkin proposed to return the confiscation of property to the Criminal Code, stressing that corrupt officials withdraw a trillion rubles from the budget of the Russian Federation every year (according to the Accounts Chamber). Using the idea of ​​confiscation, according to Rashkin, the authorities would be able to abandon the concept of raising the retirement age. Chairman of the Federation Council’s Social Policy Committee Valery Ryazansky told Lente.ru that the financial benefit from raising the retirement age is minimal. In his opinion, the desire to appeal to the expenditure side of the budget is also erroneous. It is necessary not to reduce budget expenditures, including for social needs, but to increase its revenues. And it is difficult to disagree with this opinion of the politician. In the end, the economic block of the government exists to control the economic development of the country and to find opportunities to increase state revenues.

Pension reform requires further discussion.

Judging by the statements of Russian leaders and politicians, in the near future, the Minister of Finance of the country remains the main supporter of raising the retirement age. Neither the president nor the prime minister has yet supported the idea of ​​an imminent increase in the retirement age. This indicates that in the coming year, the retirement age is unlikely to be raised. Another thing is that the question itself assumes that the population is beginning to be prepared for the possible introduction of this measure - not in 2016, so in 2018 or 2020. However, not only the financial and social consequences of this decision should be considered when discussing the possibility of its implementation in the near future. First of all, one should pay attention to the attitude of the Russian citizens themselves to the possibility of raising the retirement age to 63-65 years. According to a survey conducted by the research center of the popular Internet portal Superjob, an absolute majority of Russian citizens speak out against raising the retirement age. 81% of respondents strongly disapprove of the idea of ​​increasing the retirement age. Only 8% consider it possible to increase the retirement age for both men and women. 2% of Russians agree with raising the retirement age for men and also 2% of respondents are in favor of raising the retirement age for women. 7% of respondents could not decide on their position on this issue (http://tass.ru/obschestvo/2288744). It is significant that the greatest number of opponents of the retirement age is currently counted among young Russians. In the 25-34 age category, 84% of respondents are opposed to raising the retirement age. As we see, public opinion is sharply negative regarding the idea of ​​raising the retirement age. In the difficult foreign policy situation in which Russia currently finds itself due to an independent foreign and domestic policy, dissatisfaction of Russian society with an increase in the retirement age can be used by opposition and radical forces, including those political organizations that act on the guidance of our enemies country. For many Russian citizens, even those who are loyal to the existing government, raising the retirement age can be a factor contributing to the emergence of not only a critical position, but also radical dissatisfaction with the government and the president of the country. In the context of inflation, rising unemployment, reducing the purchasing power of wages, talk about raising the retirement age is more likely to provoke public discontent. It is not by chance that even the United Russia party, whose leader is the immediate official head of the Minister of Finance, did not approve the idea of ​​raising the retirement age. State Duma Deputy Andrei Isaev said that United Russia is against raising the retirement age for ordinary Russians and for raising it for officials. However, it is officials who are not going to retire early, preferring to finalize with a good salary and extensive job opportunities until the age limit for public service, or even longer. So, for high-ranking and even middle-ranking officials, raising the retirement age will not be such a problem as it is for millions of ordinary Russian workers and employees. Chairman of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, Valentina Matvienko, is convinced of the need to raise the retirement age, but believes that this process should be carried out with maximum accuracy, preparing people for the ongoing changes in the sphere of labor relations.

At the same time, it is possible that due to the demographic problems that Russia will face in the foreseeable time, raising the retirement age will be a necessary step towards ensuring the efficiency of the Russian economy. Another thing is that this measure should not turn into a shock that can lead to a social catastrophe and an explosion of public discontent. Moreover, the criteria for raising or maintaining the retirement age for certain categories of citizens should be developed in detail. It is likely that for some categories of citizens, the retirement age can even be reduced - based on the specific needs of the state. In no case can you raise the retirement age without creating additional jobs in both the public and private sectors. Moreover, these places should be created not only for elderly people, given their opportunities, but also for young professionals who, in the event of raising the retirement age, are at risk of becoming unemployed due to job retention for experienced older employees. But the creation of new jobs requires increasing the intensity of the level of development of the country's economy, support from the state of medium and small businesses, the development of industry and agriculture, and stimulating education. Of course, in the context of the problem under consideration, the need to improve the demographic situation in the country is once again being actualized. The aging of the population and the increase in the number of pensioners relative to the able-bodied citizens of the country is due to insufficient birth rates. During the 1990-ies. Russia was experiencing a demographic crisis, the consequences of which will long be responding to all spheres of the life of Russian society - including when children of the current twenty years old - those born in the beginning - middle of 1990-s, enter into working age. Here we touch on another topic that is closely related to raising the retirement age. The fact is that many retirees are involved in raising and caring for their grandchildren. First of all, it concerns grandmothers, some of whom specifically retire to care for their grandchildren. If you raise the retirement age to 65 years - older women simply can not help children and grandchildren. In this case, the number of kindergartens and nurseries, day-care groups in secondary schools should be increased. At present, there is nothing of this kind; moreover, the placement of a child in kindergarten in many cities of the country is a serious problem that many parents cannot solve. That is, an indirect increase in the retirement age can also hit the family, family relations, and, consequently, the birth rate. Therefore, any measures of colossal social significance, including raising the retirement age, should be carried out in a complex of other social measures. With regard to the problem under consideration, this complex should include: 1) the creation of new jobs for young people and the elderly; 2) an increase in the number of kindergartens, nursery schools, day-care groups in schools and increasing the availability of pre-school educational institutions; 3) creating a flexible retirement system, which provides for both raising and lowering the retirement age, depending on whether a potential retiree belongs to a certain group of citizens; 4) increase the efficiency of the health care system in the country, primarily in the direction of increasing the life expectancy of the population. In no case can one raise the retirement age for those categories of citizens who are engaged in hard and labor-intensive work in industry, energy, transport, and agriculture. It is clear that solving these tasks will be very difficult for the country, but without it raising the retirement age will only lead to numerous social, humanitarian and political problems, the consequences of which for the state and its economy may be much more serious than the financial difficulties associated with payment of pensions to a large number of "young pensioners".
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  1. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 06: 24 New
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    Pension systems appeared to attract money-sharkers-bankers.
    For hundreds and thousands of years, feeble parents were kept by adult children.
    We need to return to our roots. In cities, we are too dependent on external factors. So we were held hostage by the communal workers, which did not happen in the village.

    And raising the retirement age is not a measure for the development of the economy.

    Our task is to nationalize the banking system, starting with the Central Bank, subsoil and other natural resources, strategic industries, including energy and transport. Return the state’s monopoly on foreign trade, prohibit the free movement of capital across the border. Return the state monopoly on the production and trade of alcohol and tobacco with a gradual reduction in their turnover to zero.
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    In addition, the need for resettlement of cities.
    1. vyinemeynen 1 October 2015 06: 34 New
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      I don’t understand the point of discussing raising the retirement age if the yield of pension funds is lower than inflation! recourse
      1. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 07: 33 New
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        Quote: vyinemeynen
        I don’t understand the point of discussing raising the retirement age if the yield of pension funds is lower than inflation! recourse

        Inflation is a product of the private usurious banking system. In simple terms, this is a product of human greed and stupidity.
        Entrusting the creation of money, on which the whole society depends, to private individuals, this is utter stupidity and a crime against descendants.
        1. Hon
          Hon 1 October 2015 09: 55 New
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          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Inflation is a product of the private usurious banking system. In simple terms, this is a product of human greed and stupidity.
          Entrusting the creation of money, on which the whole society depends, to private individuals, this is utter stupidity and a crime against descendants.

          in general, we must move on to a primitive communal way of life and natural exchange of goods.
          1. alicante11 1 October 2015 14: 39 New
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            Why so radical? Perhaps a planned economy and socialist methods of management are enough?
            1. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 17: 35 New
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              Quote: alicante11
              Why so radical? Perhaps a planned economy and socialist methods of management are enough?

              And you read the "Paper Ruble" by S. F. Sharapov and / or the "Economic Theory of the Slavophiles" V.Yu. Katasonova.
            2. KVS
              KVS 1 October 2015 23: 24 New
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              at the same time, to disperse the State Duma, to cut salaries to the government of the Russian Federation, to bureaucrats of subjects by 3 times, or even more, to top managers hundreds of times and the country will be happy in saving money !!!!!!!!
              otherwise people’s eating money without doing anything useful for the country !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              1. VseDoFeNi 2 October 2015 08: 02 New
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                Quote: KVS
                at the same time, to disperse the State Duma, to cut salaries to the government of the Russian Federation, to bureaucrats of subjects by 3 times, or even more, to top managers hundreds of times and the country will be happy in saving money !!!!!!!!

                I have a modest question - who will do all this? wink

                The paradox is this: if you take all the money from the rich and distribute it to the poor, the rich will no longer be. yes
          2. Alekseev 1 October 2015 15: 27 New
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            Quote: Hon
            generally need to go to ...

            We must move on to certain savings.
            For example, in the army and other law enforcement agencies, if an employee has retired, then everything, he can no longer hold an officer or other military position.
            So it is for civilian bosses. Their salary is more than good, do you want and have the strength to work? There is no need to demand pension fund funds.
            Or go as an ordinary specialist, share your experience and get a pension.
            1. Hon
              Hon 1 October 2015 17: 01 New
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              So it is for civilian bosses.

              What kind of boss is this? in civil service, so they still have a limit on their stay in the service. and if the ordinary boss in a private company doesn’t. firstly, deductions come from his salary, in fact a pension, this is what he paid to the state, and now the state returns it. secondly, how can a person be prohibited from engaging in any activity? this is a punishment for a crime. By the way, the military, after retirement, they often occupy senior positions.
              Quote: Alekseev
              There is no need to demand pension fund funds.

              this is not PF funds, it is our money that we transferred to the PF, the state does not pay us pensions, it returns our contributions
              1. Alekseev 2 October 2015 07: 10 New
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                the state does not pay us pensions, it returns our contributions

                You hurried it ...
                The system in the Russian Federation jointly...
                One listed, listed yes, and died immediately after retirement.
                And the other did not list the guy at all, but gets a social 30 years. yes As for private companies,
                and here measures of economic regulation are possible.
                Did the manager retire while continuing to work?
                Income is not 13%, but 26. wink
            2. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 17: 37 New
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              So it is for civilian bosses.

              How are you going to dictate to the capitalist owner to dictate who to hire, who not to take?
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            in general, we must move on to a primitive communal way of life and natural exchange of goods.

            Go on if necessary.

            And do not forget that a person in his entire history has not created anything that would not harm us directly or indirectly.
        2. Tatyana 1 October 2015 18: 17 New
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          I do not understand the meaning of the discussion on raising the retirement age

          While maintaining the previous monetarist course - in accordance with the "recommendations" of the IMF - any economic effect of increasing the retirement age of retirement in old age will, in principle, be leveled already after 2-3 of the year, those. will be short-term temporary. And the government of the Russian Federation will be forced again, in a year through 3-4, to do the same - i.e. raise the retirement age again. And so it will be endlessly. For financial crises under monetarism in general, in principle, never and never disappear, but will only repeat more often and with renewed vigor.
          As a result, the pension system in the country will be practically dismantled - it will remain only for the "chosen ones".
          But those in power who have gone bankrupt in Russia need to stay in power at the cost of manipulation public consciousness Russians!
      2. Phantom Revolution 1 October 2015 08: 14 New
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        I don’t understand the point of discussing raising the retirement age if the yield of pension funds is lower than inflation! recourse

        What inflation ?!) The Pension Fund collects loot from the working population and on the basis of these funds gives out pensions, they are tied to inflation. Second, what is the lifespan? How much do people retire on average?
        The point is not a lack of money, but that officials and others tied to the PF want to live better at the expense of the country and its citizens.
        1. marlin1203 1 October 2015 10: 19 New
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          Want to take revenge on the Pension Fund? Live up to 100 years! laughing
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            '' Want to take revenge on the Pension Fund? Live up to 100 years! ''. I would be glad, but what grandmother live. On our pension you will not live, you will bend.
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            Better to 110, and then suddenly again the retirement age will increase. laughing
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            Want to take revenge on the Pension Fund? Live up to 100 years!


            there is a saying. want to win at the casino. buy yourself a casino.
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          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          what is the life span? How much do people retire on average?


          The great Russian poet A.S. Pushkin died at age 37. What have you done for the country?

          Russian Pension Fund. lol
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            The great Russian poet A.S. Pushkin died at age 37. What have you done for the country?

            Correctly! Lived to retire - shoot yourself !!!
            To your honestly earned pennies flowed smoothly into the pot-bellied pockets of Putin, Chubais, sand, naibullins, etc. bastards!
        4. Boatsman_Palych 1 October 2015 12: 54 New
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          Yes, the deficit of 400 billion may well be eliminated by abandoning fantastic “salaries” in the PFR (which they hide under a personal receipt), purchasing foreign cars for balance, and building and renovating new Euroclass offices. Does the FIU give figures about its contents through our payments? And most importantly, during the Judean struggle, Pin.Dos specialists SPECIALLY created such a taxation system in which it is unprofitable to work honestly, paying workers a “white” salary and taxes to the state. Taxes can reach up to 107%, and for each ruble of salary the employer needs to pay another 48 kopecks from above. And now they’re talking about the shadow economy and black salaries according to the zombie man. "Only mass executions will save the homeland" (c) Goblin. Liberals in the economy.
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            Um, dear, 90 is already over and there are people who are up to date with modern accounting. Let's not treat the ears of the ignorant.
          2. Uncle Joe 1 October 2015 14: 40 New
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            And most importantly, when fighting Jude, the Pin.dossky specialists SPECIALLY created such a taxation system in which it is unprofitable to work honestly
            The tax system was reformed in 2000, so leave Judas alone.

            Putin - “Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, along with the new Russia, has gone through a difficult but necessary transformation. He has led the process of radical changes that have led Russia out of the impasse. Russia has received a rebirth. It has become a civilized open state, and the role of the first president in the formation of this state is huge.
            It was at this time that Russia was born open and thinking about people, democratic institutions were formed, the Russian Constitution was adopted, which proclaimed the highest value of human rights and freedom. "
            http://top.rbc.ru/society/01/02/2011/536637.shtml
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              It was at this time that Russia was born open and thinking about people, democratic institutions were formed, the Russian Constitution was adopted, which proclaimed the highest value of human rights and freedom.


              Uncle Joe - good to joke, becomes bad. belay
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                getting bad
                This is because you do not understand the whole genius of the GDP. laughing

                Putin: “Chubais and his associates made many mistakes in the 90s, but they managed to radically change the structure of the economy. I believe that he and a number of people who worked with him then, of course, made many mistakes. And a certain image formed, but someone had to do what they did. They changed the whole structure of the Russian economy and essentially changed the pace of development. "
                http://vz.ru/news/2013/4/25/630312.html

                “They say that Brezhnev’s time will soon return stagnant. First, in Soviet times, and even in the early 90s - I don’t want it to look like sweeping criticism - there was a lot of positive, but I didn’t I recall that the post-war Soviet leadership, the Soviet post-war leaders worked just as intensively as I or incumbent President Medvedev Dmitry Anatolyevich do, "Putin said in an interview with three Russian federal television channels.
                http://www.interfax.ru/russia/212533
                1. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 17: 40 New
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                  This is because you do not understand the whole genius of CP GDP laughing

                  Yes, yes, Putin, like a bone in the throat to you and the world hegemon personally. It's funny
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                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    like a bone in the throat personally to you and the world hegemon. It's funny
                    Did the hegemon tell you at the briefing?

                    But don’t remind who closed the base for the last 15 years, the BZHRK cut, privatized it in the 90s, entered the WTO, and declared that - "... there will be no return to the past. Russia will remain a liberal market economy. ... we will consistently continue the line of encouraging private initiative, of integration into the world economy ..."?
                    1. VseDoFeNi 2 October 2015 08: 16 New
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                      And do not remind who is building a spaceport, new ICBMs and nuclear submarines, who is reviving the military-industrial complex after the dismemberment of the USSR and its economy by corrupt brainless ones?

                      Do you think private initiative is bad?

                      Strange, Putin, in your words, harms Russia, harms tirelessly, and Russia is becoming stronger and stronger.

                      I repeat - your task is to denigrate the leadership of Russia and, most importantly, Putin. This LJ is not easy.
                      1. Uncle Joe 2 October 2015 09: 39 New
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                        And do not remind who is building a spaceport, new ICBMs and nuclear submarines, who is reviving the military-industrial complex after
                        After a fried rooster pecked his ass in 2008, to ensure the safety of his own feeder, in the interests of the oligarchy and big business.

                        It is ingenious to destroy it within 8 years, in order to later realize that without a relatively combat-ready army it might not be possible to continue milking the country.

                        the dismemberment of the USSR and its economy by corrupt brainless
                        Which was tacitly held back, after which monuments were erected to the main destroyer.

                        Do you think private initiative is bad
                        And you, babbling about the need for nationalization, don’t think so? Do you have progressive cognitive dissonance?

                        01.10.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Russian authorities are not going to nationalize anything and are ready to take certain steps to privatize large state-owned companies, said Russian President Vladimir Putin.
                        http://ria.ru/economy/20151001/1294596808.html

                        and Russia is getting stronger
                        Only in your sore imagination.

                        I repeat - your task is to denigrate the leadership of Russia and, most importantly, Putin
                        And your task is to whitewash the black dog.
                      2. VseDoFeNi 2 October 2015 10: 05 New
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                        Today, life expectancy in Russia exceeds that in the USSR. yes
                      3. Uncle Joe 2 October 2015 11: 15 New
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                        Today, life expectancy in any country in the world exceeds the life expectancy that was in these countries 30 years ago, so do not spoil the puddle.
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                        So BEFORE Putin, this duration fell. And under Putin, it has grown, you are our manipulator.
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                        So BEFORE Putin, this duration fell. And under Putin, it has grown, you are our manipulator.
                        From the 94th to the 98th it grew, to the 03rd it fell, from the 05th it grew, from the 13th growth within the limits of the statistical error.

                        In short, do not spoil the puddle - go better to your nationalizer, pray laughing
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                        I repeat - Under Putin, life expectancy in Russia is growingYou are our manipulator. Although you and your owners do not like it.
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    Dear Boatswain
    With whom do we start shooting, who will shoot you?
    You probably do not remember the USSR, my grandmother, who worked on a collective farm for 38 years, had a pension of 18 rubles. And the sheep were nothing to do with.
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      You probably do not remember the USSR, my grandmother, who worked on a collective farm for 38 years, had a pension of 18 rubles. And the sheep were nothing to do with.

      So I’m talking about Baba Grusha with a pension of 12 rubles, and they put me down. laughing
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  • Andrey Yuryevich 1 October 2015 06: 46 New
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    Raising the retirement age. Forced measure for the development of the economy or a threat to the social order of the country?
    it is the result of a mediocre domestic policy, and an attempt to fill in the gaps that have been created as a result of the retirement of highly qualified personnel. in vocational schools they are now taught to make-up artists, hairdressers, managers .. this is a failure. they leave again for the old people, they will finish it to death, you do not have to pay a pension! saving!
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      it is the result of a mediocre domestic policy, and an attempt to fill in the gaps that have arisen as a result of the retirement of highly qualified personnel.

      No. This is the result of the dismemberment of the USSR and a change in the system from socialism to capitalism.
      Everything else is a consequence.

      Listen thoughtfully to the end at least once.

      1. Buffalo 1 October 2015 08: 52 New
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        In Norway, in Germany, Finland, there is no socialism, but the standard of living is higher than ours. The point is not in the social system, but in the decency or dishonesty of those who created the laws by which the country lives.
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          In Norway, in Germany, Finland, there is no socialism, but the standard of living is higher than ours.

          If you mean the level of consumption by the standard of living, I dare to assure you that this is NOT the same thing. In addition, in Norway, with a population of less than one St. Petersburg and microscopic aircraft, the national debt exceeds Russian.

          Quote: Bison
          The point is not in the social system, but in the decency or dishonesty of those who created the laws by which the country lives.

          There is evidence that after the dismemberment of the USSR, the Americans wrote laws to us.
          Whether you like it or not, the oligarchs and corruption in Russia have created the West.
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            public debt exceeds Russian.

            Well, Russia has a low debt, and the ruble was taken and lowered below the plinth. Norway is tall, they feel great. Knowing. that they live off oil and gas, and they will end soon, have created an oil fund to maintain a high standard of living for the population. The UAE is doing the same, investing a lot of resources in the development of the economy, and now it is not so much dependent on oil.
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            There is evidence that after the dismemberment of the USSR, the Americans wrote laws to us.
            Whether you like it or not, the oligarchs and corruption in Russia have created the West.

            it's Obama's fault, makes us steal. the traffic cop takes a bribe on the road, they wrote him such an instruction in the State Department. the city’s measures were rolled back, only as a CIA agent.
            our laws are normal, with some exceptions. problems are in ourselves. and nobody created anything for us from the outside. I often see people throwing rubbish before reaching the ballot box, these are not foreign agents, but we ourselves crap where we live.
            1. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 17: 42 New
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              Well, Russia has a low debt, and the ruble was taken and lowered below the plinth.

              In principle, you can even lower the dollar to 60 kopecks apiece tomorrow, only the day after tomorrow our economy will cease to exist.
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                the lowering did not grow
                1. VseDoFeNi 3 October 2015 06: 36 New
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                  It’s not time yet, they themselves will go down ...
                  US household debts exceed income by 25-30%. This means that demand will fall. And the US economy (and the rest of the "civilized countries") will fall. In the USA, this drop will reach 55-60%.

                  The means must live, uncle, not debt.
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          In Norway, in Germany, Finland, there is no socialism, but the standard of living is higher than ours. The point is not in the social system, but in the decency or dishonesty of those who created the laws by which the country lives.

          Well, actually in Norway, Germany and Finland, real socialism.
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            Well, actually in Norway, Germany and Finland, real socialism.
            A social state that differs from the socialist state by the existence of private ownership of the means of production and the maintenance of human exploitation by man, although to a lesser extent.
      2. Alexashka964 1 October 2015 13: 07 New
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        This is the result of the dismemberment of the USSR and a change in the system from socialism to capitalism.

        No! The failure of Russia's economic policy lies not in the fact that the economic model has switched from a socialist to a capitalist one, but in the fact that there was no place for professionals in this model ... A good example: get behind the wheel of a heavy truck is not a professional driver, but, for example, kindergarten teacher - the result will be obvious: a disaster with many human lives ...
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          The failure of Russia's economic policy

          Where do you see the failure? Debt is minimal, the military-industrial complex is being revived, the armed forces are re-arming at an accelerated pace, housing is being built just as shockingly ... etc.

          It's scary to say - a new spaceport is being built !!! What a failure ??? wassat
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            housing is funny. have you been asking the price for a long time? and they are building it at such a pace, because the bobla is chopped unmeasured. and they’re buying because they don’t have anywhere to go, you have to live somewhere. So they get into mortgage bondage.
            the defense budget, by the way, is beginning to be cut, the bar has become cheaper, that’s the whole economic policy. oil pumped, sold, walked
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              have you been asking the price for a long time? and they are building it at such a pace, because the bobla is chopped unmeasured. and they’re buying

              Yes, you sho? Do you have money to buy housing from people? I don’t have it, I have been living in my former parent since 1973. Moreover, I'm generally going to get out of town. But this is not a matter of economic policy.

              Quote: Hon
              defense budget by the way, start to cut

              Give the numbers ...
          2. Governor 2 October 2015 01: 23 New
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            Dear, you decide whether you like Putin and modern Russia or not?
            And it is incomprehensible and ugly.
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              Dear, you decide whether you like Putin and modern Russia or not?
              And it is incomprehensible and ugly.

              To make it clear, I quote my quote. wink
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
              And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi
    2. Lapotnik 1 October 2015 13: 53 New
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      Watching which side to look.
      If we add up all the actions in health care, education, retirement, housing, then, in principle, not such a mediocre policy to destroy the population. And the president is pleased with the actions of the government.
      1. THE_SEAL 1 October 2015 16: 31 New
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        And what about the funded part. She was just stolen from us. Instead of raising our salary, our employer donated money to the PFR, and dumb officials simply took and got into these funds, which were left to work for the economy, and then fall into our hands. This is unscrupulous. In Western countries, no one allows this.
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    what didn’t happen in the village

    until it happened. another little fix, and ... that's it.
    1. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 08: 30 New
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      until it happened. another little fix, and ... that's it.

      I knew one grandmother, Grandma Grusha, who received a pension of 12 rubles a month, while the minimum salary was 70 rubles.
      If we look a little further into our history, we will see that pensions are in no way connected with life on earth, that is, in the natural habitat. You have a hectare-two lands, you can always feed yourself.

      Problems with pensions and other crap only in the urban population of our planet.

      Have children, who was there to support you when you become weak.
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        Have children, who was there to support you when you become weak.

        1. Not everyone can.
        2. Nah .. then such a state, which only "give, give, give"?
        1. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 09: 17 New
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          Not everyone can.

          Not all want. In Russia, about 6 million infanticide are committed annually.

          More than 6 million abortions are performed in Russia annually. According to statistics, abortion in Russia is a rather serious demographic problem. Today, our country occupies one of the first places in the number of abortions as a percentage of the total number of children born. You may find it strange, but nowadays, when contraceptives are available for any couple, 57% of all pregnancies end in an abortion. Sad statistics of abortions in Russia As a result, abortions exceed the birth rate in the Russian Federation by more than 2 times. Approximately 1,5 million abortions are recorded annually. Every fifth abortion occurs in a teenage girl aged 10 to 18. More than 22000 abortions are performed daily in Russia. According to the statistics of abortions in Russia, up to 15% of operations are complicated, about 8% of women remain infertile. Currently, about 7 million Russians cannot experience the happiness of motherhood, and the reason for this is the abortion they performed earlier.

          Source: http://www.neboleem.net/stati-o-detjah/6494-statistika-abortov.php


          Quote: anip
          Nah .. then such a state?

          Do you think that only pensions are paid? Or is the function of the state somewhat wider?
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            In Russia, about 6 million infanticide are committed annually.


            The city is also to blame for this, but it doesn’t seem to you that this is due to a distortion in the minds that arose in society with the fall of natural (due to the experience of the development of mankind) moral principles.
            After all, such bursts of zeroing morality are known in history and for the community of people ended disastrously, i.e. the destruction of morally omitted.
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              The city is also to blame for this, but it doesn’t seem to you that this is due to a distortion in the minds that arose in society with the fall of natural (due to the experience of the development of mankind) moral principles.
              After all, such bursts of zeroing morality are known in history and for the community of people ended disastrously, i.e. the destruction of morally omitted.

              For this, say thanks to the corrupt brainless communists who dismembered the USSR in 1991.
              It was with this that the modern decline of moral principles began. And even earlier, the foundations began to fall when the Communists initiated godlessness after the 1917 revolution.
      2. Azazel 1 October 2015 09: 42 New
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        Have children, who was there to support you when you become weak.

        Well, yes ... the idea is "good", but what about someone who is in pre-retirement age, who is 55 years old, or so ???
        or those who have adult children, but THESE most children live on odd jobs, because work is not enough for everyone ??? what, together with parents, teeth on the shelf and die for the company ???
        in the USSR for every 10 workers there was 1 pensioner and there was no pension problem for the state ... and now there is 10 worker for 1 pensioners, hence all the fuss ...
        in order for Pension Reform to cease to be a problem, you need to develop your industry, jobs ... you need to calculate the state budget from revenues from the real economy sector, and not from sales of natural resources ... by the way, it is natural resources that should go only to retirement, medicine, culture and education, since they are NATURAL, and not produced by the oligarchy ...
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          Well, yes ... the idea is "good", but what about someone who is in pre-retirement age, who is 55 years old, or so ???

          I repeat again. I am going to dump from the city to the ground for permanent residence. In the city WITHOUT money, it is impossible to live in principle. On earth, our ancestors lived hundreds and thousands of years without money. Which I wish you too.
          For completeness, read here. "Downshifter Essay" Koshastogo. http://vicsrg.ho.com.ua/stat/esse.htm
          So. The first thing that distinguishes a downshifter from a normal person is that he brings down a deity named "level of material consumption" from the pedestal, and puts him on a par with other values. In particular, with such a banal value as the availability of free time, not busy with work. Well, and others, such as health.

          A normal person does not perceive this action as normal. For him, the level of material consumption expressed in the amount of money spent on a monthly basis (mind you, they are not earned at all, but spent are two different things) is the most important thing that is valuable to him in this life. All other values ​​are crowded somewhere at the foot, and are hardly noticeable. So let's list them. This is free time. Health. Recreation. Sleep. The level of cultural and intellectual development. Communication with friends (and their very presence). Communication with the family (and its very presence). Parenting (and their very presence). And much more. A normal person is ready to sacrifice all this, and sacrifices hard, for the sake of increasing the level of material consumption by a certain amount, say, 20%, during career growth. Money in this case has some mystical, religious significance. A normal person is not even able to think in this direction.

          Downshifter returns money to their original function - not the end, but the means. Which immediately puts them on a par with other values, which means that it forces them to be ranked in order of importance, with weighting factors. And then it immediately turns out that spending ALL your time on making money is, to put it mildly, completely impractical. It is much more natural to devote to this fascinating process, say, half the time. And the remaining half - to other things. And immediately it becomes possible to have everything that was so lacking - and get enough sleep, and read books, and go camping, and raise children.
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            thank you for the hint .... I’ve already five years since I left the city and live in the village ... I’m retired for a year and a half ... no work, as usual; the village is emptying - youth wanders into the city, pensioners and cripples remain ...
            I live from the earth and from the Don, that God will send, and if in this regard you can at least somehow trample and not starve to death, you still need money ... payment for electricity, they don’t give the same gas for free, tax for the land and the house, in short, you can’t immediately list what you pay for with hard currency ...
            you can advise: cut off the light (the ancestors did without it), start a horse, etc. ... but now keeping a horse is more expensive than a car, and the whole tool works on electricity ... I’m not at that age sawing an oak with a hacksaw, provided that some benefactor brings me trunks home ... I have long ago refused TV , only comp in the evenings when there is time ...
            so, before advising, you need to live yourself, to identify the difficulties that you have encountered and so on ....


            Downshifter returns money to their original function - not the end, but the means. Which immediately puts them on a par with other values, which means that it forces them to be ranked in order of importance, with weighting factors. And then it immediately turns out that spending ALL your time on making money is, to put it mildly, completely impractical. It is much more natural to devote to this fascinating process, say, half the time. And the remaining half - to other things. And immediately it becomes possible to have everything that was so lacking - and get enough sleep, and read books, and go camping, and raise children.

            but this is complete nonsense ... in the village from dawn and until dark you spin like a squirrel in a wheel ... there is much more free time in the city ... take my word for it .... I had such thoughts when I went to village, but here my imaginary illusions have melted away like smoke ... Downshifter - it’s good to be with a steady income, either a pension or rent ...
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    No need to return anywhere. You just need to put things in order in the brains of the government and the Federal Assembly.
    1. Military pensioners - how many of them appeared in the prime of life (a consequence of the reduction) and with a considerable pension, civil servants of all levels, to put it mildly, with very decent pensions, judges and prosecutors with their sky-high pensions.
    2. Finally, introduce a progressive scale of taxation, and even the rich are protected, referring to the fact that they will go into the shadows. This is ridiculous! In developed countries they are not afraid, but in Russia the authorities are afraid.
    3. Limit the size of dividends, and not increase them. And who decided that this "poor" fork out for the needs of Russia.
    4. And it is not necessary to limit all working pensioners, but only the top management, who have a total income of over, for example, 10-20 million per year, while workers and ordinary employees receive 20-40 thousand rubles a month (240 per year -480 thousand rubles).
    5. And, finally, it is necessary to produce fewer people who produce nothing, but who are eager to live "with dignity." Experts, analysts, bloggers, professional athletes, employees of private security companies, intermediaries of all stripes, etc.
    All are fed at the expense of the real producer, and therefore, first of all, in real production (industry, agribusiness, construction), people should receive the greatest profit and the most worthy payment for their labor. Then comes science, healthcare and education. That is what this should be monitored for, and this is what the state should regulate. The rest let them receive according to the demand for their services, they will be able to earn money under the law, well, thank God - pay taxes and sleep peacefully.
    1. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 09: 19 New
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      And, finally, it is necessary to produce fewer people who produce nothing, but are eager to live "with dignity." Experts, analysts, bloggers, professional athletes, employees of private security companies, intermediaries of all stripes, etc.

      This should be put the first point.
      1. Antropos 1 October 2015 11: 21 New
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        Not true in principle.
        Almost all of these categories are not related to the budget. With the exception of intermediaries. Here you need to look carefully. If you look at the affiliated intermediaries, then this is an unconditional evil. If the mediator is independent, it is an absolute good. Only they offset the imbalance of the workload between enterprises.
        What about pension in general? Personally, I do not plan to live on retirement. When the time comes I will go as a bath attendant to the women's department.))))))
        1. BMW
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          When the time comes, I will go as a bath attendant to the women's department.


          Does that mean by whom? Eunuch, perhaps? good
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            Adamnuh.)))
    2. Uncle Joe 1 October 2015 14: 55 New
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      And finally, you need to produce fewer people who produce nothing, but eager to live "worthy"
      Who needs?
      1. Pathfinder_II 1 October 2015 15: 23 New
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        Judging by the schedule, the number of officials came by the asymptote to the extremum point and has been stable for several years. So there is a chance that at least it will not grow further.
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          Rural administrations unite, for example. And this is a reduction. This is what I personally encountered was a "village council", combined with a neighboring one.
      2. Alexashka964 1 October 2015 18: 17 New
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        Uncle Joe! Sorry, but I'll laugh at your tsifirki! I believe that numbers reflect thousands of people. So, if this is the number of officials in Moscow, then this seems to be true, and then ... The fact is that the official is a civil servant (endowed with the rank in pre-revolutionary Russia). In this light, all the senior management in municipal and budgetary organizations are officials. Now count ...
        1. Uncle Joe 1 October 2015 19: 59 New
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          I believe that numbers reflect thousands of people.
          1 million 674 thousand 700 (+ -) for 2009.
  • Foul skeptic 1 October 2015 10: 12 New
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    We need to return to our roots.

    You have some kind of parallel reality.
  • 222222 1 October 2015 10: 29 New
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    "" "" At the end of 1952, the last work of I. V. Stalin, “Economic problems of socialism in the USSR,” was published. In this work, JV Stalin, on the basis of the teachings of Marxism - Leninism, revealed the goal of capitalist production: “The goal of capitalist production is the extraction of profits. As for consumption, capitalism needs it only insofar as it provides the task of generating profits. Beyond this, the question of consumption loses meaning for capitalism. A man with his consumption disappears from view. ” Then he revealed the main issues of the political economy of socialism, which are of great importance for the practical activities of the Soviet state and the Communist Party. Relying on the works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, summarizing the experience of world history, the experience of building socialism in the USSR, JV Stalin formulated the Basic Economic Law of Socialism - “Ensuring the maximum satisfaction of the constantly growing material and cultural needs of the whole society is the AIM of socialist production; the continuous growth and improvement of socialist production on the basis of high technology is the MEANS for achieving the goal. "" "(I.V. Stalin. Economic problems of socialism in the USSR. P. 76, 78, M. 1952)
    .... Even during the time of NS Khrushchev there was an increase in the minimum wage by 35%, an increase in the pension by 2 times and a reduction in the retirement age by 5 years, the establishment of a seven-hour work day, the introduction of cash remuneration for collective farmers, the introduction of passports for them, which allowed them to change “serfdom” to free movement around the country. Mass housing construction was launched, the creation of housing cooperatives was encouraged. ""
    ......
    1 the rich can't get drunk
    2. Age increase = deadlock path of development. Which pushes the west of Russia .. "Do as I -West"
    ... A change of post-industrial society with the globalization of the economy is coming .. to the era of information-robotic systems. Nanotechnology, in which human potential is significantly freed and the role of a highly trained specialist is growing. The change coincides with a change in technological structures ((
    the fifth technological structure of “informatics and microelectronics technologies” (early 1980 to the present) is the stage of information and communication technologies, it is based on advanced achievements in the fields of microelectronics, information technologies, biotechnologies, genetic engineering, new types of energy, robotics, systems fiber-optic and space communications, new generations of military equipment, plasma, membrane and low-waste technologies. The fifth technological mode has entered a phase of maturity, which accelerated the development of priority areas of the sixth technological mode - genetic engineering, photonics, nanoelectronics, etc. According to various forecasts, the sixth technological mode, while maintaining the current pace of technological and economic development, will enter the distribution phase in 2010 - 2020, then the maturity phase in the 2040s))
    .. It’s time for the world to think where to put millions of free citizens ... One of the solutions = running into ... SOCIALISM .. laughing
    1. jjj
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      Friends, any person, no matter who he works, strengthens the power of his country. And over the years devoted to strengthening power, the state must pay everyone a state pension, commensurate with the years worked, but without taking into account the income received. If a person wants to have higher incomes in retirement, then let him invest part of his funds in the selected pension funds. The state only has to guarantee that these funds are not a scam. In practice, it turns out that the state withdraws and disposes of actually other people's money. And this money is constantly not enough. True, pension today is a stable, ever-growing source of income.
      As for retirement age. So the men of Sevmash, having retired in 55 years, are from ordinary, and not from harmful industries, usually "rest" for five or seven years. And then - into the domino on Mironova Gora. With an increase in retirement age, they will begin to take directly "from the machine"
    2. VseDoFeNi 2 October 2015 08: 58 New
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      "Ensuring maximum satisfaction of the ever-growing material and cultural needs of the whole society

      Today, "needs" have grown to "cars for everyone," which has resulted in traffic jams. Tomorrow it will be “gasp, like everyone’s Abramovich’s,” then “everyone’s own plane” ...
      I'm exaggerating a little, a little. But this is suicide. So many resources on Earth are simply not there!
  • g1v2 1 October 2015 18: 06 New
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    Do not fucking do not agree. I think that whoever recognizes me in comments knows that I am a "putenoid", but what they offer is crap. If we have something left of the USSR that makes us a more social state than the west and which we can be proud of - WHAT WITHOUT TO DESTROY THIS? The age of survival for us for men is 10 years on average, and before Putin it was even less. This is absolutely not the money for the country, so that it would inflict a severe blow on the budget. Over the past 15 years, living in the Russian Federation has become better — the proposed innovation will worsen it. I'm not talking about social accomplishments, which Kudrin will have to fill in with money as monetization of benefits, as GDP said. The size of pensions is a good reason for pensioners (those who can still) earn money - that is, continue to benefit the economy. My mother-pensioner continues to work in the state structure after retirement. Salaries there are not very good, but he lives quite well with his pension - he flew to Spain on vacation. In general, those who promote the idea of ​​raising the retirement age are m-ki and go along the simplest path that leads to the precipice. Fortunately, in the coming years this will remain a project, however, I suggest remembering all those who promote this idea by name. am
    1. VseDoFeNi 2 October 2015 09: 06 New
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      WHAT FOR WHICH DOES IT DESTROY?

      A. by thoughtlessness. B. for corruption. V. stupidity and corruption. Actually, that was how the USSR was divided.
  • Buffalo 1 October 2015 06: 34 New
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    It is clear that this problem is due to the situation with demography, as well as to the lack of continuity of generations. - The previous generation, had a sufficient number of skilled workers and engineers.
    The new generation has succumbed to managers, financiers, office plankton.
    And who will stand behind the machines and do those. projects? And it turns out that so far there is no one to replace the elderly. The system of vocational training has been destroyed, and the remnants are out of date. It’s impossible to do without the elderly.
    Another serious problem is the budget deficit. There are no funds to support pensioners. Having plunded funds, all private PFs disappeared, and the entire burden fell on the state PF. It is no coincidence that today the state is forced to introduce an equalization system for pensioners and cuts in pensions for highly paid pensioners.
    The situation is clear - we are on the eve of the war.
    1. Kazakh 1 October 2015 07: 06 New
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      It is clear that this problem is due to the situation with demography, as well as to the lack of continuity of generations.

      The problem is due to a lack of professionalism in leadership and a desire to easily solve a complex problem.
      1. Buffalo 1 October 2015 08: 49 New
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        In my opinion, lack of professionalism is present in your judgment. It was not Putin who made the coup in 93, he did not accept the colonial Constitution. He took a number of significant steps to normalize the situation: - removed the oligarchs from power, started the fight against corruption, reanimated the army and the defense industry, pursues a consistent policy of financial independence from the dollar, formed the CSTO ... And that’s all - a lot of expenses! Therefore, funds are not enough. Instantly change things for the better will not work - there is no such switch.
        Therefore, talking about unprofessionalism is wrong.
        1. anip 1 October 2015 09: 18 New
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          Quote: Bison
          He took a number of significant steps to normalize the situation: - removed the oligarchs from power, began the fight against corruption,

          What ???

          Quote: Bison
          reanimated the army and defense industry

          And how many imported components in Russian military equipment? How many factories working for defense and space under Putin multiplied by 0? In Tomsk 3 (from defense-space) I know for sure.

          Quote: Bison
          pursues a consistent policy of financial independence from the dollar

          What does it consist of? In the collapse of the ruble and the impoverishment of the people?
          1. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 09: 21 New
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            Exactly. He removed the oligarchs from power - smoke a seven-banker in Google.
            1. rosarioagro 1 October 2015 09: 45 New
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              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              ousted oligarchs from power - semibankirshinu

              This is called staff rotation, a holy place as usual is never empty
            2. Lapotnik 1 October 2015 14: 11 New
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              They made me laugh. One group of oligarchs with a representative in the person of Putin ousted another group of oligarchs from power, and only that. The people of the liver are consumer and shows in the form of Olympics, World Championships, Crimea and other things. By this, all actions on leadership are essentially at the level of momentary decisions, without planning for the future.

              The adoption of the annual budget speaks publicly - WE DO NOT KNOW what will happen tomorrow and DO NOT know how to plan or act in advance. All actions show this only - only response actions to the current situation, without a forecast for the future.

              PS Foreign policy only gives positive emotions
              1. Uncle Joe 1 October 2015 15: 56 New
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                Foreign policy only gives positive emotions
                This is the result of which we have the shot Donbass, NATO near the borders of the Russian Federation, and the turn of the former fraternal Ukraine towards the West?
                1. VseDoFeNi 2 October 2015 09: 27 New
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                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  This is the result of which we have the shot Donbass, NATO near the borders of the Russian Federation, and the turn of the former fraternal Ukraine towards the West?

                  This is a result of the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists for the benefit of the enclaves of Sam and other joe. Your special services work perfectly, I must admit.
                  1. Uncle Joe 2 October 2015 09: 55 New
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                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    This is a result of the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt
                    After 15 years of being in power, the protégé of the dismembered USSR Yeltsin, to whom this protege erects monuments, names libraries in his honor, and declares that:

                    Putin: “Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, along with the new Russia, has gone through a difficult but necessary transformation. He has led the process of radical changes that have led Russia out of the impasse. Russia has received a rebirth. It has become a civilized open state, and the role of the first president in the formation of this state is huge.
                    It was at this time that Russia was born open and thinking about people, democratic institutions were formed, the Russian Constitution was adopted, which proclaimed the highest value of human rights and freedom. "
                    http://top.rbc.ru/society/01/02/2011/536637.shtml
                    1. VseDoFeNi 2 October 2015 10: 12 New
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                      Putin was smart enough not to blaspheme his predecessors. And it is right. They also do not scold previous presidents in the United States.
                      1. Uncle Joe 2 October 2015 11: 17 New
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                        Putin was smart enough not to blaspheme his predecessors
                        So your mind wasn’t enough.

                        True, Putin has "exceptions" - Stalin and Lenin, he allows himself to reproach them.
                      2. VseDoFeNi 2 October 2015 15: 32 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        So your mind wasn’t enough.

                        Not only can I, but I also need, I'm not the president.

                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        True, Putin has "exceptions" - Stalin and Lenin, he allows himself to reproach them.

                        Quote thirsty.
                      3. Uncle Joe 2 October 2015 18: 20 New
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                        I not only can, but also need
                        I thought you were one of these - who can and should laughing

                        Quote thirsty.
                        I don’t serve the paupers, so about the ugly Stalinist regime, about the Stalinist regime associated with crimes, and about the deception of the country by the Bolsheviks you’ll dig on the net.
                      4. VseDoFeNi 3 October 2015 06: 40 New
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                        I thought you were one of those - who can and should laugh

                        Not everyone, how can you stand up for the final collapse of Russia.
      2. Lapotnik 1 October 2015 14: 11 New
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        They made me laugh. One group of oligarchs with a representative in the person of Putin ousted another group of oligarchs from power, and only that. The people of the liver are consumer and shows in the form of Olympics, World Championships, Crimea and other things. By this, all actions on leadership are essentially at the level of momentary decisions, without planning for the future.

        The adoption of the annual budget speaks publicly - WE DO NOT KNOW what will happen tomorrow and DO NOT know how to plan or act in advance. All actions show this only - only response actions to the current situation, without a forecast for the future.

        PS Foreign policy only gives positive emotions
        1. BMW
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          Quote: Lapotnik
          PS Foreign policy only gives positive emotions


          Honestly, she looks like she’s cheated in her pants to the fullest, but wait and see.
          1. Pathfinder_II 1 October 2015 15: 27 New
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            Not so bad:
            1.) the intestine is freed from the remnants of life
            2.) heating the loin part of the body.
            Easily removable - Ports can be washed on return to base. laughing
            Snipers seem to even be ordered to urinate and defecate in their pants, completing a task, and life is more expensive.
    2. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 17: 49 New
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      What does it consist of? In the collapse of the ruble and the impoverishment of the people?

      That's what I look, and it's all the poor in traffic jams sticking out. laughing laughing laughing
  • dmb
    dmb 1 October 2015 14: 02 New
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    And how much do you think it takes time to change everything? Usually, in the opinion of your fellow thinkers, changes should have already begun; 1. After the APEC Summit, 2. After the Olympics. 3. After landing Serdyukov, 4. After landing Vasilyeva 5. After the report of Glazyev, 6. After the UN Assembly, ... We are waiting for the football holiday, and then ..... Yes, and what exactly is he going to change? He didn’t say anything like that anywhere.
    1. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 17: 50 New
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      And how much do you think it takes time to change everything?

      Let's argue.
      How long does it take to reassemble the USSR and revive the former economy?
      Start with Ukraine. wink
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        Vesko, but half a meter past. Or are you so “reforged” in your views that you already see Putin creating the CPSU? Very, very commendable. Especially if you can justify your vision somehow.
        1. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 18: 22 New
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          Quote: dmb
          Or are you so “reforged” in your views that you already see Putin creating the CPSU?
          Forget about the communists. They in the last century TWICE destroyed our country ...

          Quote: dmb
          Especially if you can justify your vision somehow.

          I always justify my vision. Another thing is that many do not like it.

          I answered the question - how much time is needed ... and strength? Many, try to return Ukraine ...

          Engaging in criticism and earning benefits is much easier than defending your vision. yes
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            dmb 1 October 2015 21: 32 New
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            When you wrote your standard stupidity, at least read your own previous comments. Judging by this thoughtful text, the construction of socialism in the 1917 year, you thought, would be completed under the leadership of Nikolai No. 2, Stolypin and Ryabushinsky. Now you are apparently going to do this under the strict guidance of Putin, Shoigu and Usmanov. (Interesting. And the last three are aware of this?)
            1. VseDoFeNi 2 October 2015 10: 02 New
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              Quote: dmb
              When did you write your standard stupidity

              Polygraph Polygraph?

              Quote: dmb
              The construction of socialism in 1917, judging by this thoughtful text, you thought would be completed under the leadership of Nikolai No. 2, Stolypin and Ryabushinsky

              Socialism and the social state are completely different things. Under Nicholas 2 and Stolypin, at least GIVED 20 acres of land. The communists said "land to the peasants" and took the land from the peasants.



              Quote: dmb
              Now you are apparently going to do this under the strict guidance of Putin, Shoigu and Usmanov.

              “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
              And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

              Oh yes!!! They also buy housing in a mortgage at an unprecedented pace !!!

              PS Minus what ... laughing
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                You do not read your own comments. I already asked you once (of course I didn’t get an answer), what are you doing with such an unearthly path of happiness “people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past”, demanding “Our task is to nationalize the banking system, starting with the Central Bank, mineral resources and other natural resources, strategic industries, including energy and transport. To return the state monopoly on foreign trade, prohibit the free movement of capital across the border. Return the state monopoly on the production and trade of alcohol and tobacco from the post foam reduction in their turnover to zero. ", which is completely in contradiction with the policy of" beloved monarch ", and fully complies with the Communists program? Which of the two of us are after this Sharikov?
                1. VseDoFeNi 3 October 2015 06: 45 New
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                  If you don’t understand something, this is an occasion to at least try to bridge the gap in your understanding.
                  The communists TWICE in the last century destroyed our country, and Putin strengthens Russia. And very successfully.
  • BMW
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    Quote: Bison
    ousted the oligarchs from power


    More precisely, he replaced the private oligarchy with the state one.

    Quote: Bison
    started the fight against corruption


    The dawn of corruption right now.
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      The dawn of corruption right now.

      Yes you sho ??? And we in the USSR talked about corruption and the shadow business !!! Forgot? Were we supposed to do it together with the country at the root of the lime?

      This song is visible about us. Grandfather could not get cockroaches, but are we corruption? The country was demolished, but corruption lives on?

      In the role of the USSR - the stove, in the role of the people - grandfather, in the role of corruption of cockroaches.

      1. BMW
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        Yes, you sho?


        It's not funny. what
        1. VseDoFeNi 3 October 2015 06: 47 New
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          It's not funny. what

          Really not funny. You at least compare your nonsense with the rhetoric about corruption in recent years of the USSR. fool
  • Uncle Joe 1 October 2015 15: 35 New
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    Quote: Bison
    Not Putin made a coup in 93
    He only passively sustained this coup.

    not he adopted a colonial constitution
    No one adopted a colonial constitution.
    And the 93-year constitution, which the government openly put on, was accepted by the people in a referendum.

    ousted the oligarchs from power
    The oligarchy (the power of the few) is a group that is not under the control of the majority and has political power, which cannot be replaced by legal means.

    Who and where did this protege of Yeltsin remove?

    started the fight against corruption
    Laughing out loud.

    March 17, 2009 Head of the NAC: Corruption volumes in Russia reach $ 300 billion a year.
    http://pravo.ru/news/view/9054/

    reanimated the army and defense industry
    After 08.08.08, when the smell was fried, the patient was transferred from a state of clinical death to a coma - this is a very big achievement ...

    pursues a consistent policy of financial independence from the dollar
    laughing

    formed the CSTO
    Personally laughing

    Tell me honestly - do you get paid for this, or is it just that you have modern under-education?
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    Eliminated some oligarchs - set others. Suddenly it turned out that the members of the cooperative lake are all very talented businessmen
  • anip 1 October 2015 06: 37 New
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    Well, increase the retirement age. And will they create jobs, or as always?
    Compare retirement age with developed countries. And what quality, standard of living and level of salaries that do not compare?
    And in general finished off:
    Meanwhile, for women, raising the retirement age to equal with men seems much more justified. After all, women, retiring at 55, on average live in the status of a pensioner for 20 years - that is, a period comparable to living in retirement in a developed European country.

    That is, if now a woman retires at 55, then she lives
    a period comparable to retired in a developed European country.

    And a woman retires at the age of 65 in developed countries. It follows from this that life expectancy in developed countries is higher than in Russia (in fact, this is not a secret and is not hidden). But, most importantly, it follows that the Russian authorities want to reduce the length of their retirement of women, in comparison with developed countries, because nefig, because the longer a person lives in retirement, the more he harms the pension fund. Consequently, this Russian figures confirmed that the Russian Federation is by no means a developed country, but a banana (oil) republic.
    And yes, I would like to ask guardians for raising the retirement age: where do they work? Something seems to me, obviously not at the converters, not at the bottom, not at the tractor in the fields, not at the machine tool at the factory and not at the teacher, doctor, educator, nurse. And to wipe the pants in the Kremlin, in the Duma and around them - you don’t need to do anything special, you can sit there until your feet are brought forward.
    1. Vladimir 1964 1 October 2015 10: 16 New
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      Quote: anip
      Well, increase the retirement age. And will they create jobs, or as always?


      Andrei Ivanovich, I liked your entire comment, but I was hooked on precisely this phrase.
      Unfortunately, my point of view is supported by my own experience, and that no one is going to create jobs. For example, I’m 51 years old, able to work and want to work, but as soon as the question of age comes up, the potential employer immediately makes a sour face and .... I will be objective, security guard or watchman, please, for 10 thousand rubles. But I can’t live on this money in my region (Krasnodar Territory), and I have technical education, and I have experience.

      Something like that. hi
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      Quote: anip
      Consequently, this Russian figures confirmed that the Russian Federation is by no means a developed country, but a banana (oil) republic.

      Thus, they recognized that the Pension Fund was looted and pensioners were a burden for the state and hoped that people simply would not live up to retirement.
      The case of Chubais and Gaidar lives and is clearly embodied by the current rulers, who have doubts I recall:
      E.T. Gaidar, statements:

      "... the old generation is hindering the favorable development of reforms and it would be better if it were gone."
      "... spoke about the need to reduce the country's population to 50 million people - for skilled work, for the normal development of Gaidar reforms ... E. Gaidar said: four people feed one pensioner, and this is a heavy burden for society."
      "... the extinction of retirees will benefit the public ..."
      "There is nothing wrong with the fact that part of the pensioners will die out, but the society will become mobile."
      "... to the question of an elderly woman he answered that you are red-brown, your generation is in the way of reforms and is not able to realize their meaning."
      “... pensioners didn’t earn money, they don’t own savings deposits. Moreover, the older generation interferes with work and reforms, and only after the older generation passes away can something be done.”
      "The old generation is the ballast of society, liberation from which will propel society forward."
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        Quote: Stroporez
        E. T. Gaidar, statements
        Vladimir Putin:

        “The death of Yegor Timurovich Gaidar is a bereavement for Russia, for all of us. There is no true citizen and patriot, a strong-minded person, a talented scientist, writer and practitioner.
        Not every statesman has the opportunity to serve the Fatherland at the most critical stages of its history, to make key decisions that will determine the future of the country
        Egor Timurovich Gaidar adequately accomplished this difficult task, showing the best professional and personal qualities
        He did not shy away from responsibility and in the most difficult situations he held a blow with honor and courage
        The blessed memory of Yegor Gaidar will forever remain in the hearts of his family and friends, all who knew this wonderful person. "

        http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=331463&tid=75735
    3. Uncle Joe 1 October 2015 16: 00 New
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      Well, increase the retirement age. And will they create jobs, or as always?
      Compare retirement age with developed countries. And what quality, standard of living and level of salaries that do not compare?
      And in general finished off:
      Not finished off smile

      Article 55

      1. The enumeration in the Constitution of the Russian Federation of fundamental rights and freedoms shall not be construed as a denial or derogation of other universally recognized human and civil rights and freedoms.

      2. No laws shall be enacted in the Russian Federation abolishing or derogating the rights and freedoms of man and citizen.

      3. The rights and freedoms of man and citizen may be limited by federal law only to the extent necessary to protect the foundations of the constitutional order, morality, health, rights and legitimate interests of others, ensure the defense of the country and the security of the state.
  • Nitrogamer 1 October 2015 06: 42 New
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    My father died at the age of 62, a hardworking tractor driver.
    From the same cardiovascular diseases.
    So the conclusion is obvious.
    All who are for raising the retirement age are the enemies of the people.
  • urii 1 October 2015 06: 45 New
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    we have such a rich country. here and let Seluan pes. look for money, then he is the minister. he hasn’t lifted heavier spoons in his life than human beings. And our hard workers do not live up to 60. or even less.
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      we have such a rich country. here and let him seek money Seluan dog

      First, let Melnichenko and Abramovich take the yachts away, and then raise their retirement age.
    2. ramzes1776 1 October 2015 07: 54 New
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      I propose to Siluanov and Co. generally not to pay pensions for life. They have already stolen enough that enough for grandchildren.
      1. ravend 1 October 2015 10: 49 New
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        but why discuss them with Co., they are the most natural 5 column, GDP for some reason cannot displace them, and they are actively draining it
        acceptance of their proposal will cross out Crimea and Donbas and Syria
    3. Nikolay K 1 October 2015 13: 09 New
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      We have many men who do not live to see 40. In particular, because they thump black and spit on their health. So now to retire in 40 years, or for alcoholics and drug addicts to make a special retirement benefit? Raising the retirement age is inevitable. You need to understand that it is not the abstract state or Siluanov that pays us the pension, but we ourselves copy the money for it while we work. If we want a decent pension, we need to work harder.
      1. rkkasa xnumx 1 October 2015 13: 41 New
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        it is not the abstract state or Siluanov that pays us the pension, but we ourselves copy the money for it while we work.

        The state pays the pension. And must pay.
        What is a state? These are specially trained people - officialswith whom we pay money so that they manage, organize, and take care of us, when we ourselves cannot take care of ourselves by age.
        For this, we deduct to them (government officials), part of the earned taxes.

        Quote: Nikolai K
        If we want a decent pension, we need to work harder.

        The blacks on the plantations did not seem to work so weakly ... only they didn’t have much with pensions ...
        1. Uncle Joe 1 October 2015 16: 58 New
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          What is a state?
          State
          the main instrument of political power in a class society. In a broader sense, G. is understood as the political form of the organization of society’s life, which develops as a result of the emergence and activity of public authority - a special governing system that governs the main areas of public life and, if necessary, relies on the force of coercion. Since G. is built on the territorial principle, this term is sometimes inaccurately used as a synonym for the concept of "country." Various types of civilization are known — slaveholding, feudal, bourgeois, socialist; various forms of organization of G. - Monarchy (absolute and constitutional), republic (parliamentary and presidential), Soviet republic, Unitary state and union G. (federation). By mid-1971, there were about 150 g.
          The main signs of G.: 1) the presence of a special system of organs and institutions that together form the mechanism of G. (a specific place in this mechanism is taken by the coercive apparatus: army, police, etc.). G., according to the definition of V. I. Lenin, “... has always been a well-known apparatus that stood out from society ...” (Complete collection op., 5th ed., Vol. 39, p. 72). G.'s mechanism becomes more and more complex and ramified as the life of society becomes more complicated in its socio-political and technical-economic aspects; 2) the existence of a law, i.e., mandatory rules of conduct established or authorized by G. With the help of G.'s law, as a political power, it establishes a certain order of social relations, as well as the structure and order of activity of the state mechanism; 3) the presence of a certain territory, the limits of which this state power is limited. Acting as a territorial organization, G. actively contributed to the process of forming nations.
          G. is the main, but not the only political institution of class society; Along with geography, various parties, unions, religious associations, etc., function in a developed society, which, together with geography, form the political organization of society. G.'s distinction from other political institutions of a class society is that he owns the highest power in society (sovereignty of state power). The supremacy of state power is specifically expressed in universality (its power extends to the entire population and public organizations of a given country), prerogatives (state power can cancel any manifestation of any other social power), as well as in the presence of such means of influence that no other public power does not have (for example, a monopoly of law, justice).
          G. is a social phenomenon, limited by a certain historical framework. The primitive communal system did not know G. It arises as a result of the social division of labor, the emergence of private property and the division of society into classes. The economically dominant classes need to protect their privileges and consolidate the exploitation system in a special power mechanism of political domination, which was G. and his apparatus. With the advent of G., this mechanism no longer coincides with society, as if standing above it and is maintained at the expense of society (taxes, fees). No matter how different the historical forms of G., the government and the organization of the apparatus of G., its essence, the nature of its relations with society is the political power of the ruling class (class dictatorship). The classes that own the means of production, with the help of G., become politically dominant and thereby consolidate their economic and social domination and the leading role within the given society. and in his relations with other G. and countries. (TSB)
        2. Nikolay K 1 October 2015 19: 01 New
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          It is not the state that pays us the pension, but the EXTRABUDGETARY pension fund. Have you heard about this? Contributions to the fund are paid by employers from your salary and self-employed population (IP). The state, as an employer, deducts contributions to the Pension Fund from state employees, for example, the military. The fund should be self-supporting, but in our country it is constantly deficient, and the state is forced to cover the deficit, which is why the question of raising the retirement age arose. In my opinion, the state itself does not play by the rules. Firstly, we have a funded insurance system, i.e. I am now accumulating contributions to my pension, plus I am supporting current retirees, i.e. I pay for myself and that guy. Naturally, there is not enough money, or a penny, or you need to raise even more excessively high rates of pension contributions, which is fraught with the departure to the gray sn. Exit: transition to a full-fledged funded system, the state should pay the current pensioners, incl. due to revenues from privatization and dividends from state-owned companies, it was these retirees who created this wealth. Secondly, we have a stupid system, when the rate of contributions to the PF is the same, regardless of the age of retirement. It turns out that the miners and the military are retiring earlier, and their salary is paid less. Only now is it planned to raise rates for professions with a preferential pension experience. And finally, you need to raise the retirement age and equalize it regardless of gender. Then it is realistic to reach European standards when the pension is at least 40% of the salary.
      2. urii 1 October 2015 14: 27 New
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        what does the drunks and drug addicts have to do with it. who don’t work. compared either their percentage or how many workers. they’re plowing their whole lives. how do you say they save up. I received a pension two times and died. Often it happens. Especially. Yes, a lot of things still affect. And the duck would increase altogether. Kapets. If we had a standard of living, normal mountain air. Fruits and vegetables. Real present. Vacation. Every year. Somewhere in the south. As in modern times. Wages are decent. Then and people lived longer. then it’s possible to raise it. but this is still far. still haven’t recovered from 90. so let Seluan look for another source.
  • Glot 1 October 2015 06: 46 New
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    What and how much he himself, while in a state and strength "under the stump" you will postpone - for that you will live in retirement. Everything is simple.
    Therefore, do not count but Power, think about your old age yourself. Well, you can still count on children if you educated them correctly.
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      I will subscribe to your every word! good hi
    2. rkkasa xnumx 1 October 2015 07: 45 New
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      Quote: Glot
      What and how much he himself, while in a state and strength "under the stump" you will postpone - for that you will live in retirement.
      Therefore, do not count but Power, think about your old age yourself

      Stop. Come on.
      We pay taxes so that the authorities take care of our old age. This concern is not charity on the part of the authorities, but its WORK. And in the USSR, by the way, the state performed this work.
      When you give a car for repair, and pay money for it, do you expect to perform a repair? It is so ?
      Why, then, in the case of pensions, are you ready to refuse that you would not be provided with the services for which you paid?

      Threat Horseradish would be with him, if the stump could really be postponed. But the fact is that few will succeed in really accumulating. And even if it works out, there is a danger that the savings will be lost.
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      2. Glot 1 October 2015 09: 00 New
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        Why, then, in the case of pensions, are you ready to refuse that you would not be provided with the services for which you paid?


        I do not refuse the state. I pay for services, but I see pensioners with outstretched hands on the streets, I know what are gray salaries and real taxes that go to the budget what pennies then fall from these taxes on retirement, I know how people in our country who are already unclaimed exceeded forty even. So, I don’t have any illusions, and I don’t wear pink glasses. As they say: Hope for God, but don’t lie yourself? So, I hope for Power, but I think and think about retirement myself, without any great illusions.
        So do not distort.
        And time will tell who was right.
        1. rkkasa xnumx 1 October 2015 09: 27 New
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          Maybe I don’t understand you correctly, explain if it’s not difficult - do you justify such actions by the authorities?
          Like, we are assigned pensions for which it’s hard to live, they want to raise the retirement age ... well, and figs with him! I’ll fold under a stump!
          Or you are not making excuses, but you’ve simply reconciled yourself, hoping for no one but yourself.
          But then why write:
          Quote: Glot
          I hope in Power
          1. Glot 1 October 2015 09: 51 New
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            Maybe I don’t understand you correctly, explain if it’s not difficult - do you justify such actions by the authorities?
            Like, we are assigned pensions for which it’s hard to live, they want to raise the retirement age ... well, and figs with him! I’ll fold under a stump!
            Or you are not making excuses, but you’ve simply reconciled yourself, hoping for no one but yourself.
            But then why write:


            You either do not understand, or you live in another Russia? smile
            Ok, I’ll try to explain.
            Here I have the ZP series, and its white part is even lower than the minimum level set in the country. Do you want to work. No - I went to ....
            What pension will I have with such an RFP?
            And so everywhere, I have never worked on a full white RFP!
            Or ...
            I fell under reduction that year, I was looking for work for six months. You know how, age over forty, they openly say that we don’t need your knowledge, experience and skills, you are already over forty, and we’ll better take the young without the skills and experience, teach, but young.
            And this is also not an isolated case.
            Р'РѕС ‚Рё РґСѓРјР ° йте.
            It's Russia. Everything is often smooth on paper, but in life, in life, a ravine on a ravine. smile
            And I do not condone, I do not strike, I work and I hope for myself, and for my relatives, well, for friends if that. Of course, I also hope for Power, but, realizing that there is an abyss from "heaven to earth". Yes, and how not to hope, as without Power? This is anarchy when without power. Although there is something good in anarchy. smile
            In general, that it would be absolutely clear, I really look at things and what is happening. I do not wear pink glasses, as I wrote above, and I only hope for myself, as I mentioned again.
            But, I love my Country, be that as it may, Power ... I respect in some ways, especially lately, but I don’t trust much. Since it went through the 90s and beyond ...
            Well, something like this ...
            1. rkkasa xnumx 1 October 2015 09: 59 New
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              Got you.
              They would just write - he reconciled, hoping for no one but himself.
              1. Glot 1 October 2015 10: 12 New
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                Got you.
                They would just write - he reconciled, hoping for no one but himself.


                And you ?
                You hope that the State will provide you with a decent old age and decent work, let's say after 50-55 years, if that?
                Or are you currently working for yourself and your old age?
                1. rkkasa xnumx 1 October 2015 10: 36 New
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                  And you ?
                  We hope that the State will provide you with a decent old age and decent work

                  No, in principle, I also resigned.
                  Another thing is that I still have hope. But of course not the current government.
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                    Another thing is that I still have hope. But of course not the current government.


                    And the other is not expected.
                    1. rkkasa xnumx 1 October 2015 11: 02 New
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                      And the other is not expected.

                      Hell knows...
                      Before 1917, probably too few people could predict that the Bolsheviks would take power.
                      1. Glot 1 October 2015 11: 17 New
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                        Hell knows...
                        Before 1917, probably too few people could predict that the Bolsheviks would take power.


                        No, by the 17th year they walked for a long time. Piling up and down discontent.
                        Yes, and the Bolsheviks didn’t take it, so they picked it up to the noise, while those who took it thought that it was going on and to whom to steer. And then, while some thought the same way, each pulling the blanket of a spreading Empire onto themselves, the Bolsheviks passed them all individually. That would not leave it all at all. )))
                        Now the situation is not the same. Now she monitors the authorities "her garden", and not only tightens her belts, but also gives time to relax them. As on a roller coaster, they reach the point and, uh, fine. Then they pulled up again and, uh, live a bit.
                        Thoughtfully work.
                        And honestly, I do not want to repeat the 17th with all the consequences. Well, I don’t feel like it at all. Do not need this.
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                        Quote: Glot
                        She monitors power "her garden", and not only tightens her belts, but also gives time to relax them. As on a roller coaster, they reach the point and, uh, fine. Then they pulled up again and, uh, live a bit.
                        Thoughtfully work.

                        I agree, it seems.
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        3. Nikolay K 1 October 2015 19: 18 New
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          What excuses are we talking about? You just have to live BY MEANS. And then the state, where will it get the money, print it? Our country has extremely low labor productivity, we have lived well for the last 10 years exclusively due to high oil prices, and even instead of investing easy money in the economy, we spent it on olympiads, kickbacks to officials and yachts to Abramovichs. And now that's it, the freebie is over, get used to living within your means. Well, or save on the Olympics, kickbacks and yachts. Yes, that's just the fight against corruption, we have more talk and window dressing. But if we tolerate, then it suits us. There is still an option to work more to live better, but as I understand it, few people want it, because it seems like it's easier to pick up yachts from Abramovich and divide them. And all of us will be happy. But not for long. Until the yachts run out. And then you have to work again. Or wait for high oil prices. Well, whoever believes in that.
  • elenagromova 1 October 2015 06: 46 New
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    This is one of the worst ideas that will plunge many into poverty.
    First of all. man with age still exhausted.
    Secondly, people are not hired after 40 years - the “employers” need young people, from which you can drink all the juices and throw them out into the street.
    Third, the number of jobs for young people will decrease.
    Fourthly, now retired grandmothers often sit with their grandchildren, and if in their old age they still have to look for low-income work, then these young people will have difficulties.
    Fifth, the Soviet government did not accidentally establish this particular age. Everything was well studied, taken into account ....
  • RU-Officer 1 October 2015 06: 49 New
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    How many copies are broken ... And how much remains to be broken ... Yes, at the same time, and "faces" to clean someone ... angry
    Author:
    According to Anton Siluanov, the issue of raising the retirement age in the Russian Federation must be considered immediately. Otherwise, you will have to increase the tax burden on the business.

    What is the logic, huh?!. fool It turns out, if in one sentence: "Business is everything, people are nothing" ?! what
    Author:
    While advocating the need to raise the retirement age, Siluanov argues that early retirement in modern conditions creates obstacles to the development of the economy. In a few years, the number of pensioners will be greater than the number of working Russians. If at present 120 employees are provided by 100 pensioners, then in the foreseeable future the situation may change in the direction of the opposite figures.

    So far this (... place for a ban of censorship ... wink ) "vang" in favor of his benefactors (who could it be, huh? repeat ), the situation in the country is slowly starting to slide into 90 with their motto “survives - the strongest” (the most cunning, arrogant, etc.). Who wants to go back to 90? Personally, I do not. stop
    By the way, did anyone notice that our authorities “accurately” test us on this pension topic with enviable frequency? An analogy came to mind: this is the process of cooking vegetables, for example (well, who else has meat - let there be meat - with which I congratulate you! good ) He took off the lid - poked with a fork - no, not hard, yet - again covered with a lid - wait ... repeat I smell it - they’ll do it, don’t go to a fortuneteller ... hi
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      Quote: RU-Officer
      RU-Officer (1) SU Today, 06:49 AM

      How many copies are broken ... And how much remains to be broken ... Yes, at the same time, and "faces" to clean someone ... angry
      Author:
      According to Anton Siluanov, the issue of raising the retirement age in the Russian Federation must be considered immediately. Otherwise, you will have to increase the tax burden on the business.

      But can we return socialism back? And without delay.
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        But can we return socialism back? And without delay.

        We need to build a just society without isms and craters.
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          We need to build a just society without isms and craters.

          it will still be somehow called
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            Quote: rosarioagro
            it will still be somehow called

            As you call a schooner, it will float. (C) In accordance with the course and policies of the party ...
      2. Sling cutter 1 October 2015 12: 56 New
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        But can we return socialism back? And without delay.

        this is the main task, which is now the only remedy for the slow and shameful extinction.
      3. Nikolay K 1 October 2015 19: 24 New
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        And do not sway us at William, so to speak, Shakespeare ... ... (c)
        Can we immediately introduce communism with the stroke of a pen? Or we will issue an order that you can not work at all and have everything you want, then there will be grace.
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    the economy needs to be developed and not robbed of the population and not go into the pockets of pensioners.
    1. VseDoFeNi 1 October 2015 08: 34 New
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      Quote: sv68
      the economy needs to be developed and not robbed of the population and not go into the pockets of pensioners.

      What do you mean by economics? The term is absolutely abstract in this context. It can mean industry, and extractive industries, and the gas transportation system, as in Ukraine, and fisheries, and much more or nothing of the above, but chrematistics.
  • Monster_Fat 1 October 2015 07: 02 New
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    It is necessary, not “raise the retirement age” or “increase the tax burden on production and business”, but rather:
    1) Maintain a differentiated taxation scale
    2) Withdraw all companies from "offshore" so that they pay taxes
    3) "dispossess" - force "share" the billionaire thieves to steal their "wealth" through "mortgage auctions." To begin the judicial seizure of stolen money from the so-called "English club" - our "entrepreneurial" brotherhood that has faded to England and other overseas countries.
    4) to close absolutely all commercial banks, leaving only one state to effectively control all cash flows both domestically and abroad.
    5) to finally bring order to the "public procurement", and the "public procurement" really transplant the entire public riffraff from the "Mercedes" to the "VAZ", etc.
    6) stop spending money on all kinds of "games" such as "Olympiads", "summits", "championships", etc.
    7) etc.
    1. rosarioagro 1 October 2015 09: 49 New
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      2) Withdraw all companies from "offshore" so that they pay taxes

      There was such a topic or something similar to it, in general, by the box, so it was said there that it would be more convenient for partners to carry out calculations this way, and this is about the deoffshorization of Gazprom
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      I agree with all the points, except for the sixth.
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        Of course, where to us without the Olympics. You also suggest saving on clothing and cosmetics, animals. wink
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      Quote: Monster_Fat
      It is necessary, not “raise the retirement age” or “increase the tax burden on production and business”, but rather:
      1) Maintain a differentiated taxation scale
      2) Withdraw all companies from "offshore" so that they pay taxes
      3) "dispossess" - force "share" the billionaire thieves to steal their "wealth" through "mortgage auctions." To begin the judicial seizure of stolen money from the so-called "English club" - our "entrepreneurial" brotherhood that has faded to England and other overseas countries.
      4) to close absolutely all commercial banks, leaving only one state to effectively control all cash flows both domestically and abroad.
      5) to finally bring order to the "public procurement", and the "public procurement" really transplant the entire public riffraff from the "Mercedes" to the "VAZ", etc.
      6) stop spending money on all kinds of "games" such as "Olympiads", "summits", "championships", etc.
      7) etc.
      All of the above, together with paragraph 7, is equal to a change of system and power, which means 86% will be against laughing
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      I agree with p.p.2,5,6,7 For the rest against.
  • parusnik 1 October 2015 07: 29 New
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    If we increase the retirement age .. it turns out we will work for those who were not born or died in the 90s ... at an early age .. Gentlemen liberals made the gene pool ... And there is no other way ...
    Thank you, Ilya, very relevant ..
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    The ideal Russian citizen for the Ministry of Finance and other liberal economists is a man who has worked and never been sick, who paid all taxes and died on the day of his retirement.
  • rotmistr60 1 October 2015 07: 39 New
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    According to Anton Siluanov, the issue of raising the retirement age in the Russian Federation should be considered immediately

    In this regard, I really want to ask - how much have you already managed to get misterthat you don’t even care when and what kind of pension your children and grandchildren will receive. We have anti-social laws lobbied by those who are not at all worried about their future and their descendants, since they are provided for a hundred years in advance. Dipping them at least half a year into the living conditions of the existing pension, maybe then the brains would fall into place.
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      Dip them at least half a year into the living conditions of the existing pension,


      Are you crazy? This is extreme tourism, billions can be made on this, file a patent urgently. good
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    In fact, the retirement age has already been increased — if you have the necessary length of service — you will receive the maximum — and if you don’t get it even up to 100 years — earn some time. I have 25 out of 15 total, official years, so I won’t retire because I won’t live - I’m already half my peers buried
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    It is clear that this problem is due to the situation with demography, as well as to the lack of continuity of generations. - The previous generation, had a sufficient number of skilled workers and engineers.
    The new generation has succumbed to managers, financiers, office plankton.
    And who will stand behind the machines and do those. projects? And it turns out that so far there is no one to replace the elderly. The system of vocational training has been destroyed, and the remnants are out of date. It’s impossible to do without the elderly.
    Another serious problem is the budget deficit. There are no funds to support pensioners. Having plunded funds, all private PFs disappeared, and the entire burden fell on the state PF. It is no coincidence that today the state is forced to introduce an equalization system for pensioners and cuts in pensions for highly paid pensioners.
    The situation is clear - we are on the eve of the war.

    Type "war will write everything off"?
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    We must deal not with economics, but with production, making money, as Glazyev correctly emphasized. You can increase the retirement age, but where can I find work? We are not taken at 45, they say the old one.
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      But what about the speech of our glorious guarantor that 25 million jobs should be done in the country? Or what, now it turns out another chatter? Something everyone has forgotten about this speech. Type in a googlet. In 13, the guarantor talked about how these places are in full swing. Now it's 15 years old and where are the places? Have already done? Something around is not visible. The latter cover up “in connection with difficult international relations.” Or I again forgot that the king is good, but the bolyar .... No guys, the king should answer for his words, otherwise We were a precedent already in 1917. Remember how many were promised to all of us? By the way, one of the king’s promises was that while he was at the helm, they would not raise their retirement age.
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        But what about the speech of our glorious guarantor that 25 million jobs should be done in the country?
  • koksalek 1 October 2015 08: 43 New
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    Once again, the government signs the inability to find other ways to once again squeeze out all the juices from the law-abiding population. This is the only thing that ordinary people have is the hope that by the time they will receive their unfortunate pennies from the state for living. And this hope they want to take away against the background of a massive robbery of the population, and nothing more!
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      Once again, the government signs the inability to find other ways to once again squeeze out all the juices from the law-abiding population.


      It has not been able to do more since the age of 85, impotence is utter. And the guarantor is the same.
  • GraveBezKresta 1 October 2015 08: 49 New
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    In fact, the oligarchy is a cannibalistic regime, in relation to the majority of the population. The destruction of pensions confirms this. These "friends" of Putin per day receive how much a Russian pensioner for 10 years. What can I talk about and what can I comment on after that ?! These "friends" will raise the retirement age to 100 years - easily.
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      Quote: Grave without Cross
      These "friends" will raise the retirement age to 100 years - easily.

      I think that until 2018 they will not increase. And after the elections of the far left upper “friend” - it’s very easy.
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        And after the elections of the far left upper “friend” - it’s very easy.

        I’m very interested in HOW he managed not to threaten Russia in 15 years ??? fool
        Indeed, according to your (legion to you legion) words, he tirelessly ruins Russia. fool

        It would cost Putin, becoming president, not to create a power vertical, but in fact simply to remain inactive and that’s all, in a year or two Russia would have completely collapsed.
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          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          I’m very interested in HOW he managed not to threaten Russia in 15 years ??? Indeed, according to your (legion to you legion) words, he tirelessly ruins Russia.
          Yes, the people in Russia are kind and patient, and their faith in a brighter future is endless! But Russia is not falling apart, it is milked wassat On Russian raw materials, the economy of the West is growing by leaps and bounds.
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  • Alex66 1 October 2015 09: 01 New
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    It is clear that everyone does not have enough money for retirement and needs to do something, so maybe they can take simpler measures (officials and deputies will not like them). Limit the maximum pension to 50000 rubles. Just cut off the fat. Increase the retirement age of officials to 65 years, in a chair to sit not at the machine stand. Invest PF money and monitor the profit received, there is no profit to change the top managers of the PF.
    Well, why should the poorest pay for the banquet?
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      Well, why should the poorest pay for the banquet?

      Duck is always the case, especially in this country.
  • DobryAAH 1 October 2015 09: 13 New
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    Forced. But I would liquidate private pension funds, remove their employees from the financial sector to production, science and education. Even if they bring some benefit, rather than live by drones, they have no profitability, and if the stock market develops, then bankruptcies will begin. But the FR will surely develop, and we don’t need it, just produce drones.
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      Let them at least bring some benefit, and not live with drones.

      “Well, find me an example in history when they respected a peasant, that is, a breadwinner? But some consultant, referent, musicologist, theater expert, literary critic, art critic and Vedas, and Vedas, and Vedas, and Vedas ... any number of these ... cereals, colossal concentrations of these, so to speak systems, receive money that does not dreamed of a peasant who feeds him. What is it? Parasitism, parasitism in its purest form. " D.V. Arseniev

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      Let them at least bring some benefit, and not live with drones.

      “Well, find me an example in history when they respected a peasant, that is, a breadwinner? But some consultant, referent, musicologist, theater expert, literary critic, art critic and Vedas, and Vedas, and Vedas, and Vedas ... any number of these ... cereals, colossal concentrations of these, so to speak systems, receive money that does not dreamed of a peasant who feeds him. What is it? Parasitism, parasitism in its purest form. " D.V. Arseniev

  • GUKTU 1 October 2015 09: 26 New
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    in the west they retire to really relax. Western retirees can afford to travel the world. In our version, retirement implies, for most of the population, part-time work and subsistence farming, as you can stretch your legs. I believe that it is possible to meet the needs of pensioners by eliminating corruption. Of course, the rating of the GDP is over the top, but it turns out to conduct hostilities in the SAR is easier than defeating corruption in the country. I went to my father’s grave, involuntarily paid attention to the birth and death dates of neighboring graves. Conclusion: among men, rarely lives more than 60 years.
  • Mangel olys 1 October 2015 09: 49 New
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    Officials need to steal less pension money, and then they will not have to raise the retirement age of the people!

    01.10.2015. "The leak about the detention of Marcel Imamov on suspicion of major embezzlement has not been confirmed and denied by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office, or the Investigative Committee. The sources of" BUSINESS Online "claim that the criminal case involving the seizures of documents in the PFR in the Republic of Tajikistan is being developed a long time ago, and yesterday the head of the department was interrogated as a suspect, but released. What is behind the prosecution of the official, who is considered the proteges of Mikhail Zurabov and Ayrat Shafigullin? "
    Source: http://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/142187/

    The building of the PF in RT
  • voronbel53 1 October 2015 10: 01 New
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    Let those who support the reform of raising the retirement age voluntarily refuse to retire until at least 65 years old, set an example - I mean the government, senior and middle officials, deputies of all sorts of ranks, in general, our elite, and less of all sorts of benefits in material expression. But we ordinary people and pensioners will see how all this goes from words to deeds ... I think nothing, those who advocate this reform do not care what term they set for retirement, they can work while they are away from they’ll only take their warm places forward with their feet, and for the rest of their lives they have already earned a long time, and not only they, but their offspring have already been provided with everything, a career and a comfortable life ...
  • fif21 1 October 2015 10: 16 New
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    I beg you, in a country where 1/3 of the budget is stolen, 1/3 goes to pay for the work of asshole teachers, they want to raise the retirement age fool This is such a budget saving — industry will immediately begin to develop, the ruble will strengthen, banks will lower interest rates, and Russia will become a dream country and crowds of emigrants from developed countries will flood into it wassat They try to convince us that we have been living for a long time in retirement, and immediately they cut down the security forces (and these are pensioners who have benefited from 38 years) and increase the number of pensioners. fool And the average pension in the country is a slow killing of a person! Conclusion - people think about their old age with young people! Better yet, bring it down from this country, where they will squeeze you like a lemon and throw it away to die. How to live in a country in which there are no independent trade unions, where everything is left to the "employer", where the crime rate goes off scale, corruption is the lifestyle of officials, and lies and deceit are elevated to the rank of state policy.
  • Dimon-chik-79 1 October 2015 10: 34 New
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    All the same, there is some connection between the reform of medicine and the desired increase in the retirement age. It seems that they do not want to give us a chance to live to retirement. Since the 90s, liberals have been reducing the population of Russia in every possible way, and when it is no longer possible to pay miserable retirement money and you don’t feel like getting into their profits, they come up with such options to postpone the terms of pension payments, and maybe not all of them will get there. And so as not to rely on a blind case, they destroy medicine by reducing health workers, clean hospitals, and ruin the production of drugs.
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      It's not about pills and hospitals, but about. Doctors are killers. And they must go to the tribunal. At least so many. Destruction of the old population is now in full swing. Do not believe? See how easily doctors disconnect old people from devices that end up in intensive care. Even those who can still be pulled out are simply killed. Our cemeteries have grown six to seven since the mid-90s. For me, it’s time to return the “Doctors' Case” to the Stalin period again, only in a modern way. Given all their current crimes. Doctors are not treating now. In fact, hospitals have turned into death camps that you will not see and can only occasionally feel!

      For the Honor and Glory of the ancestors!
  • provincial 1 October 2015 10: 45 New
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    The most optimal solution for a liberal government is SHOT everyone who has reached the age of 60 and 55. Regardless of the previous position and social status of a future pensioner, then there will come a paradise for them. The elections were, they voted? Now get a GIFT. Wait more not that it will be. Ahead of the elections to the State Duma, I think at the moment they will not increase, after the presidential election we will receive in full.
  • tolyasik0577 1 October 2015 11: 00 New
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    Russia is a country with huge natural resources. The country is simply obliged to provide a decent, comfortable life for those people who have been hunchbacked all their lives for its benefit. How is a nurse in a hospital different from an officer? why the first receives 5 thousand pensions and the second 25 tr She worked less or shit for the patient easier than chasing conscripts on the parade ground? Or did a bricklayer at a construction site bend his back less than a colonel at headquarters?
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      if it’s so good to be an officer, you had to go this way. You look and the pension would be big. And since you are looking one-sidedly at the life of regular military personnel. Perhaps you should send ambulances instead of pilots to Syria.
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        There is such a poem, all professions are needed, all professions are important. It's not about who will go to fight in Syria or elsewhere, the matter is that everyone who retires has the right to a decent life. Only work experience should be relevant. For many have not done anything all their life, and in old age they suddenly remembered that there is a state that should provide it. And the military, who went to Syria, have decent business trips and a length of service that counts by a factor of 1: 2 or 1: 3 (I don’t know for sure)
        I had one friend who served in the GRU special forces. All breasts in orders. At 45 retired. And the pension is good. He worked as a work manager at our site. Digging the earth.
  • Seraphimamur 1 October 2015 11: 17 New
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    To increase the retirement age, people need to be provided with jobs. To myself, I am a specialist in IT technologies (a computer engineer is not clear to anyone), when I was 40 years old and without work, I was looking for it for 8 months. At 52, he was looking for 1,5 years moonlighting as a security guard. The reason for the refusal is standard: young people are needed: “Of course you are a specialist, but you have a youth team.
    the choice of the employer will certainly take a younger employee and even to the detriment of qualifications.
  • TROG 1 October 2015 11: 45 New
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    Duck, if you look at who the guards are in all fives, the cleaners in the housing and communal services and in the subway. Why aren’t there Russian grandparents and the only thing that seems to me to be the conductor in public transport, but in the lobby where they rent the ticket office and have a rest, more than half are obscurantists anyway.
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      who are the guards in all sorts of fives, cleaners in the housing and communal services and in the subway
      Yes, pensioners are there! Let them give a figure of how many pensioners work in low-paying jobs. It does not work from a good life! But just to survive.
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  • chunga-changa 1 October 2015 12: 26 New
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    By the time the current urra patriots and fans of cunning plans grow, pensions will simply be canceled. In my opinion this is fair.
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    Passing by the bulletin board I always read obituaries: By 56,52,48,41 a year, as a result of a serious illness, such and such suddenly died. People simply do not live to retire and it looks like joy to Antoshka Silanu, no need to pay a pension.
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    There is only one real way to get away from raising the retirement age: to introduce the criminal liability of the employer for paying gray salaries, thereby increasing contributions to the RF PF.
  • GraveBezKresta 1 October 2015 15: 54 New
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    Russia is the richest country in the world. By natural resources, by natural resources. THIS IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. And the standard of living of the peoples of Russia, according to some analysts, is 80s and 90s, others, they say, are 140s and 150s in the world. And now the question is: who rules us? !!! The answer is elementary - oligarchy. But I will end on the positive: God will give, Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians will unite and there will be Holy Russia. As she was. The gene memory of the people, no matter how the oligarchy tried, could not be changed.
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    But for you guys, the question is: do we get a pension? If it’s a pension, then I’m padish ...
    no, of course, they pay someone, especially those who wiped their trousers in deputy and measure with overwork, plowed to zero. But there is a separate discussion about them.
    Many will say that I have a sin to complain - I am a lieutenant colonel, a pensioner for 18 years, the pension, in comparison with my wife and civilian friends, stands out relatively. But against the background of pensions of deputies, it fades greatly.
    I've lived to 60, but half of my friends - no. And where is their pension, to whom to ask? Why aren't they paying the wife or husband? So I repeat the question: is it a pension?
  • Sinbad 1 October 2015 16: 04 New
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    As soon as life expectancy in Russia is 95 years, let them raise their retirement age, and it turns out right from the workplace to the cemetery.
  • Antropos 1 October 2015 16: 25 New
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    There are two crooked thoughts.
    1. Move the moment of payment of social payments (36%) from the moment of accrual at the time of spending the money. How to introduce a sales tax need specialist calculations. 10, 36, 77,5% ??? There are two hares.
    The first. The exemption of the employer from the tax makes the gray salary meaningless. It is no secret that now showing a minimum salary, a normal employer at the expense of tax savings maintains an acceptable level of salary in his organization and a little for his beloved. Greedy is the opposite. As a result, taxes are scanty. The income of workers is also not a fountain, because most employers are still greedy. There will be nothing to save on without a social tax. Hence the white RFP and the understanding of real profit by fiscals. In fact, I, as a recipient of income or a salary, will not be interested in the tax system at all. 5 tyr I received or 500 tyr. You won’t eat money. And going through the cash register and acquiring the benefits I need, I will pay a fair and full tax. Shoppers over a hill are also easily taxed on exporting foreign currency in the same amount of 36%. Going where the thread is - write a declaration of how much dough you bring with you and attach a receipt of tax paid in advance. For unspent money, it is possible to return the corresponding part of the tax. No receipt? Money in the safe. Get back on your return. By the way, all transfers of Gaster abroad must be taxed with the same tax (maybe less by the amount of pension contributions). By the way, personal foreign bank accounts can be taxed on the export of capital. It’s even necessary.
    Second. Psychological. Working in white and the employer and employee will sleep much more calmly. The first one has less chance of flying. The second will have confidence in his retirement affairs and financial opportunities. For example, you will be able to lend. You will not go to the bank with a certificate of minimum wage.
    Yes, there will always be distortions at first. But any reform must be settled. ZP should grow by 36% and become white. Goods and services will also rise in price by 36%. For those who will work honestly, it will only get better. For shadow companies it will become more painful for the same 36%.
    The second thought is fair income tax. It must be progressive. But not discrete. In the picture, the tax formula takes into account income growth and allows you to get more if you earn more. With discrete progressive tax this is not always the case. Anyone can drive the formula into Excel and play with the coefficients. http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/230/yrbl639.jpg
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      Second thought
      Both thoughts are interesting. what But it turns out double! taxation. Pay income tax first and then expense tax. And the employer will not raise his salary if he is exempted from part of the taxes. He will leave the manager in Russia, and he himself will come up with the money for the hill and how to withdraw money without losses. Talented people in Russia however!
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        Income is not included in social programs.
        It is clear that will not immediately raise. Not on the same day. But the labor market will force.
        In Russia, now, the whole business is based on personal connections. If you leave, you will lose orders. No manager decides. He is a performer.
        And ZP will be bleached, because, I repeat, it will not make sense to hide something. Both hemorrhoids and cashing costs will become completely unnecessary. On the contrary - saving extra 8-10%.
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  • KiR_RF 1 October 2015 17: 47 New
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    To your honestly earned pennies flowed smoothly into the pot-bellied pockets of Putin, Chubais, sand, naibullins, etc. bastards!

    ALL of you were left without a pension wassat
  • Ze Kot 1 October 2015 17: 58 New
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    "If at present 120 employees are provided by 100 pensioners, then in the foreseeable future the situation may change in the direction of the opposite figures."

    And the state, like, nothing to do with it? He receives retirement contributions, twists them on Forex, stuffs his own pocket ... But there is still no money ...
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    [Difficult financial situation in the country] [currently 120 employees provide 100 pensioners /]

    Actually, no workers provide pensioners. Before retirement, pensioners worked, paid taxes and deductions to the pension fund. Now it turns out that they are parasites and live off of working citizens. And where did their pension contributions to the state budget go? that the entire Rublevskoe highway was built up with multi-storey mansions just for this money stolen from the poor. But in Russia it has long been the case that the poor always find themselves guilty of all the disasters happening to the state budget. They robbed them once again, and nowhere to complain.
  • hitech 1 October 2015 18: 33 New
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    The whole load "in this country" - patriots - you don’t have to **, yes, it is "in this country" that rests with the Russian peasant hard worker AND DO YOU WANT IT TO HUMP FOR AN EXTRA 5 YEARS ??? YES YOU ABOUT **** AND! Forgive me. Lord and moderator. The quote "after 55 years begins a real pestilence of the male population", AND HOW IT WILL NOT BEGIN, WHEN:
    1) Pay for a mortgage.
    2) Feed the children, give education.
    3) Wife at least buy some clothes.
    4) Parents support.
    5), etc.

    AS HERE BL. DO NOT BOIL? Yes, even with such an attitude of bestial to each other. Let’s say “in garlic”, now it’s not the USSR - people are much meaner and more indifferent to each other than before.
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      1) Pay for a mortgage.
      2) Feed the children, give education.
      3) Wife at least buy some clothes.
      4) Parents support.
      5), etc.

      This is "civilization and progress," uncle. wink
      That is what the majority stands for.

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    All this looks like some kind of nonsense. Had to resign day after day. I could still serve five years calmly. Now I don’t even want to call the service. Everything fell without a commander. While I was on the spot fought back, and now there is no one to cover.
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    Dear I read and I am ashamed, do you really have no elderly parents? Ask them how they live at an age of 8000 and retire, so try on yourself, what is the comparison with other countries, what is it? I'm just amazed how far the real life from the Kremlin, from officials
  • Stelth1985 2 October 2015 05: 11 New
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    I even read e to the end. As soon as I got to the bugger Siluanov. And it is necessary to begin with it. These creatures steal exorbitantly and still complain that they are missing. Or maybe they should start chopping their hands, and then hang them ??? And immediately the country’s money will appear and the people will live easier!

    For the Honor and Glory of the ancestors!
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      It’s a pity you can’t miss twice.
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    Raising your retirement age is a great idea. And where will these failed pensioners work? After 40 years, it’s hard to find work if you are not a highly skilled specialist.
    And about the size of pensions. My mother is a working pensioner. The second group of disabilities, 12000. 10tr - medicines and utility bills. Mother-in-law - pension 8000. Children pay for an apartment, don’t take money for a living, don’t buy medicine in principle. So they live. Do you need more examples?
    The trouble is that our bosses live in one reality, and we live in another. And such ideas in THEIR reality are probably quite good, but here they turn out to be complete nonsense.
  • Spalpin 5 October 2015 09: 53 New
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    And this kudrin would not go along with foreign recommenders, the old sexual route.
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    about unemployment - nonsense of course ... by the age of 60, the employee has already found his place and for 10-15 years he has "sat exactly on the pope." He is in his place, coping. This will be driven only as a last resort. That salary "cut" can easily. And the young will drive the young and old alike.
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    2035 year.
    An old grandfather is sitting on the curb near the road, in front of him is a hat with a trifle and a pair of dirty notes.
    A boy walks past.
    Grandfather in a hoarse, frustrating voice:
    - Grandson ... be kind, give the old man a piece of bread for bread, otherwise I don’t have a pension, and no one takes the old man to work, I'm dying of hunger ...
    Boy:
    - And what did you, grandpa, do when your owners abolished your pension? Also sat?
    Grandfather is indignant:
    - What are you! When pensions were canceled, we all took to the streets !! Jumped, ran, shouted to the whole city !!!
    The boy looks in surprise:
    “And what did you scream?”
    Grandfather, gaining more air in the chest:
    - GOOOAAAAAAAALAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!