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The submarine "Kazan" will be transferred to the Navy with a delay

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The first representative of the improved project 885М "Yasen-M" nuclear submarine "Kazan" will be transferred to the Russian Navy with a delay of one year, according to MIC with reference to tass.




“Under the terms of the contract, Kazan should be transferred the fleet in 2017, but it’s now clear that this period will not be sustained. The Navy will not receive this nuclear submarine until 2018, ”a source in the defense industry told the agency.

According to the interlocutor, the reason for the shift to the right is the novelty of the project.

“The head boat is always built much longer serially. In addition, there are insufficient industrial opportunities, including in terms of import substitution, since Kazan must have electronic equipment and other stuffing exclusively of Russian manufacture, ”he explained.

The first submarine of the 885 project, Sevmash, transferred to the fleet in 2014. All subsequent Ash Trees - Kazan, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk and Arkhangelsk - were laid (from 2009 to 2015) already on an improved project.

Help "MIC": “Multipurpose nuclear submarines of the Yasen type have a surface displacement of 8,6 thousand tons, a submerged one - 13,8 thousand tons. They can dive to 600 meters and develop underwater speed at about 30 nodes. The project used a mixed design system - a light hull encloses only a part of a solid hull in the bow of the boat to reduce noise. For the first time in domestic shipbuilding, torpedo tubes were placed not in the nose, but behind the central post section. Ash Trees is being armed with Onyx and Caliber cruise missiles, homing torpedoes. ”
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 29 September 2015 18: 26 New
    16
    Ради новизны можно и потерпеть. Главное, чтобы не наступило разочарование от "новизны".
    1. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 29 September 2015 18: 50 New
      -2
      In 1966, this was the topic of a graduation project. And so it was born. Nice, but it would be better before!
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      2. popandopulo
        popandopulo 29 September 2015 19: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: TBM - 75
        In 1966, this was the topic of a graduation project. And so it was born. Nice, but it would be better before!

        whose project? did you defend this project in 1966? You are probably about 85 years old? You say, don’t talk. and what, in fact, was born? your oligophrenic twins, or down grandson? both grief, but sooner or later not important, I sympathize with you.
        1. Dembel77
          Dembel77 29 September 2015 19: 32 New
          +9
          Кроме того, налицо недостаточные возможности промышленности, в том числе в плане импортозамещения, поскольку "Казань" должна иметь радиоэлектронное оборудование и другую "начинку" исключительно российского производства»
          If it were not for the anti-Russian sanctions imposed by the USA and the EU, then the boat would be delivered on time. But on the other hand, well, sometime in the end it is necessary to raise our radio-electronic industry, and it’s not good. So what can sanctions bring us?
          1. Anton Gavrilov
            Anton Gavrilov 29 September 2015 22: 15 New
            0
            For reference, western radio electronics are not there! There is Taiwanese, but western NEMA !!!
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 30 September 2015 00: 10 New
              0
              Quote: Anton Gavrilov
              For reference, western radio electronics are not there! There is Taiwanese, but western NEMA !!!


              that’s the joy if you don’t know the west in the USSR everything was considered foreign without distinction with the east .. the brain sometimes include patriotism in your cheers
              1. Anton Gavrilov
                Anton Gavrilov 30 September 2015 08: 41 New
                0
                West and East are two different things! I expressed emotions only because things should be called by their proper names, and not inventing all kinds of crap!

                And who is who, and I’m definitely not a cheer patriot.
        2. tolian
          tolian 29 September 2015 20: 00 New
          +2
          Popandopulo, and what is so evil. Maybe 70 is not there yet.
          1. cayman gene
            cayman gene 29 September 2015 20: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: tolian
            Popandopulo, and what is so evil. Maybe 70 is not there yet.

            or maybe 40 no, spit, disgusting when a complete ignoramus tries to fart something on a smart guy.
          2. Rokossovsky
            Rokossovsky 29 September 2015 20: 55 New
            17
            Popandopulo, and what is so evil. Maybe 70 is not there yet.

            Most likely the citizen had in mind one and a half hull boats hi One way or another it’s impossible to be rude anyway! Tea is not on the censor! drinks
        3. Amurets
          Amurets 29 September 2015 23: 59 New
          +1
          popandopulo! If you weren’t in the subject, don’t go. Pikes would be one and a half hulls before the Second World War. Due to the high noise of the first boats, we wanted to increase the size of the HAK antennas by moving torpedo tubes to the middle part of the hull. For some reasons, this proposal was rejected. For the inertness of our admirals, projects 670 and 671 were broken with great difficulty. I will not explain the details of the projects, who knows the topic, who is not the topic, but wants to find a lot of information on specialized websites on the Internet.
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      7. DenZ
        DenZ 30 September 2015 08: 43 New
        0
        It seems like nonsense. The general concept of the boat can be and could be assumed back in 1966, but it is very far from fiction to reality. People from ancient times dreamed of flying into space, but this does not mean that a spaceship was invented before our era.
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  2. serg. 75
    serg. 75 29 September 2015 18: 30 New
    +6
    The main thing to be in time, so as not in the 41st
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 29 September 2015 19: 07 New
      0
      Quote: serg.75
      The main thing to be in time, so as not in the 41st

      Napoleon before attacking. Russia is a colossus on feet of clay.
      Chief monkey. Russia is a regional country. Are you talking about this?
      1. trigger
        trigger 29 September 2015 19: 09 New
        -7
        41 years old is more about Hitler
      2. serg. 75
        serg. 75 29 September 2015 19: 34 New
        +4
        I'm about to be ready for both Napoleon and his ilk
  3. figwam
    figwam 29 September 2015 18: 31 New
    +1
    The main thing is that by 2020 there will be a combat readiness.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 September 2015 19: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: figvam
      The main thing is that by 2020 there will be a combat readiness.

      К 2020г нужно, чтобы "вся линейка" была готова! Иначе не хватит сил гонять амерские лодки подо льдами Арктики, а ведь там уже нарезаны РБД супостата.
      1. Sterlya
        Sterlya 29 September 2015 20: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Quote: figvam
        The main thing is that by 2020 there will be a combat readiness.

        К 2020г нужно, чтобы "вся линейка" была готова! Иначе не хватит сил гонять амерские лодки подо льдами Арктики, а ведь там уже нарезаны РБД супостата.

        at that. get ready for war by the 20th? in vain. if war will be, then earlier. And after 20x just some kind of calm is not clear
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 30 September 2015 00: 17 New
          +1
          Yes, everything is clear. After 20x there will be a radioactive desert.
  4.  pistons
    pistons 29 September 2015 18: 32 New
    13
    I understand the stated plans for the construction of 7 Ashis before 2020, the year did not come true ..
    Sad but predictable
    1. pilot8878
      pilot8878 29 September 2015 18: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: pistons
      I understand the stated plans for the construction of 7 Ashis before 2020, the year did not come true ..

      Not necessary. The first copies are always more expensive and build longer. After experience, speed increases and the cost drops.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 29 September 2015 19: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: pilot8878
        Quote: pistons
        I understand the stated plans for the construction of 7 Ashis before 2020, the year did not come true ..

        Not necessary. The first copies are always more expensive and build longer. After experience, speed increases and the cost drops.


        Yes, you are an optimist, my dear)) The submarines "Novosibirsk", "Krasnoyarsk" and "Arkhangelsk" will pass in the interval 2018-2020 ?! crying
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 29 September 2015 20: 05 New
          +6
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          The nuclear submarines Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk and Arkhangelsk will be commissioned in the period 2018-2020 ?!

          А что помешает "насытить" готовые корпуса, если наша радиоэлектронная пром-ть наконец-то разродится "импортозамещением"!? Корпуса занимают положенные им места на стапелях Севмаша. Дело за смежниками!
          1. Finntroll
            Finntroll 29 September 2015 21: 45 New
            +2
            I agree. In the USSR, they managed to somehow somehow almost 2-3 boats a year, although yes ... it was the USSR ...
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 30 September 2015 00: 28 New
              +2
              These were boats 667 of the project of various modifications of 2 plants of NEA and Severodvinsk. There were also Sormovsky and Admiralteysky. In some years, up to 8 submarines of various projects left the slipways and were handed over to the fleet. There are reference books by Ilyin, Shirokorad and other authors. The construction period was 10-12 months.
              1. guran
                guran 30 September 2015 02: 19 New
                -3
                Quote: Amurets
                The construction period was 10-12 months.

                shit submarines can be driven by running kilometers.
    2. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 29 September 2015 18: 42 New
      0
      Yes, exactly, in fact 2-3 is no more, according to Boreyam-A it is similar.
      1. Rader
        Rader 29 September 2015 19: 43 New
        +3
        “The lead boat is always built much longer than the serial.

        It's true. And actually it concerns not only submarines, but practically everything ...
        It’s only sad that almost every ship in the fleet is the lead ship sad Corvettes and frigates which are built on 2 ships per project (I exaggerate of course, but the story with Ivan Gren is indicative in this case) is suggestive that not everything is smooth ...
        Regarding the surrender of all Ash M up to the year 20: Well, you are my friend and utopian ... smile Sea or Campanella call you? lol
        hi
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 September 2015 20: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        Yes, exactly, in fact 2-3 is no more, according to Boreyam-A it is similar.
        Anton, you seem to be working somewhere * there *, if you can, clarify the situation (without going beyond 010) so that we have your confidence and optimism!
        Yours faithfully, hi
        1. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov 29 September 2015 22: 23 New
          +2
          The situation is such that before the 20 year, as I said, 2-3 Yasenya-M and 2-3 Boreya-A. will be delivered. This is iron 3-4 885 and 5-6 955.

          At the expense of the head 885M, it’s far from the fact that they will be managed there in 18.

          According to the 12.2016 plan, the descent, but possibly later, not earlier than the summer-fall of 2017, the first exit to the sea. In this project, almost all the equipment differs from what was on the 885, therefore a lot of OCD, a very large amount of testing as such, is simple and they won’t pass without problems. Much will depend on the quality of work to bring the ship to mind and the elimination of comments, and there will not be a few of them 100%.

          In Sev-ke, this process was organized through 1 in a bad place, if briefly, this was one of the reasons why everything dragged on with him for so long. How will it be with 885M in a couple of years.

          My forecast is not earlier than 12.2018-2019.
        2. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov 29 September 2015 22: 44 New
          +1
          It seems that they simply stupidly decided to merge all the blame onto radio electronics at the expense of the boats. I repeat, yes, there are a lot of foreign components there, but Taiwan supplies them, not the west, but I don’t remember something, he imposed sanctions against us.

          Причина тут только 1-наша промышленность еще не оправилась после потрясений минувших лет,а нынешние "трясения" ей тонуса тоже не прибавляют.Тут проблемы и с поставками от контрагентов,и при организации постройки,и с нехваткой кадров-проблема срыва ГОЗа по новым ПЛА комплексна и не упирается в 1 конкретную причину.

          Here, even with the buildings, everything is not so simple and rosy, at the beginning or middle of the year’s track, only 3 885М (Kazan, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk) and as many 955А (Prince Vladimir, Prince Oleg and GS) will be ready. For the rest of the buildings, the next year, they will only be actively deployed, before they are completed, before 17-18 one can not even think about it, and on individual orders it will drag on even further.
  5. sv68
    sv68 29 September 2015 18: 34 New
    +2
    the most fig-if you suddenly decide to cut a series of a couple of units.
    1. shans2
      shans2 29 September 2015 18: 44 New
      +4
      1 already reduced, 7 instead of 8
      1. clidon
        clidon 29 September 2015 20: 05 New
        +1
        The cost of the project has increased, so they can easily cut a couple more pieces with the transition to a cheaper project.
  6. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 29 September 2015 18: 35 New
    +3
    Очень хорошая традиция называть АПЛ именами городов. "Казань" - душу греет.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 29 September 2015 18: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: MainBeam
      Очень хорошая традиция называть АПЛ именами городов. "Казань" - душу греет.

      There is something in it. In Soviet times, on such submarines of the same name, Navy ships sent the best recruits from cities. Cities patronized the ships providing them.
      1. starpom
        starpom 29 September 2015 19: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: APASUS
        In Soviet times, on such eponymous submarines,

        In Soviet times, there weren’t
        1. annodomene
          annodomene 30 September 2015 07: 24 New
          +3
          Почти не было. К-206 "Минский комсомолец".
    2. trigger
      trigger 29 September 2015 19: 04 New
      +1
      And funny incidents because of this happen, like the one when Vanga predicted that Kursk would sink and everyone thought it was a city.
      1. Sterlya
        Sterlya 29 September 2015 19: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: trigger
        And funny incidents because of this happen, like the one when Vanga predicted that Kursk would sink and everyone thought it was a city.

        but I thought you were a Troll?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 29 September 2015 20: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Sterlya
          but I thought you were a Troll?

          You thought it right yes
      2. VP
        VP 29 September 2015 19: 17 New
        0
        Oh, these tales, oh, these storytellers (s) m / f Last year's snow fell
        1. trigger
          trigger 29 September 2015 19: 36 New
          0
          it's actually a fact, not a fairy tale.
          1. clidon
            clidon 29 September 2015 20: 06 New
            +2
            Wang’s already half Europe became extinct from World War II by 2012, the whole world is suffering from chemical burns and in general, aliens will come here.
  7. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 29 September 2015 18: 38 New
    +2
    Better late than on time and unfinished ... what
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 September 2015 20: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Better late than on time and unfinished.
      Вообще-то лучше "вовремя" yes and in accordance with the performance characteristics laid down in the project.
  8. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 29 September 2015 18: 39 New
    +1
    Well, there’s at least objective reasons. So good luck. And before that, there was a lack of consistency and the cut was the reason.
  9. Dimka999
    Dimka999 29 September 2015 18: 41 New
    +1
    "Казань" атомная подводная лодка - звучит гордо))
  10. NEXUS
    NEXUS 29 September 2015 18: 43 New
    +2
    Будем надеяться,что обкатав на "Казани" технологию постройки таких лодок,«Новосибирск», «Красноярск» и «Архангельск» построят чуток быстрее.Эти МАПЛ нам ох как нужны еще вчера.Но видимо в связи с тем,что каждая последующая должна быть лучше предыдущей(слова Рогозина),боюсь и с остальными лодками будут проблемы по срокам.Хотя поживем увидим.
    1. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 29 September 2015 19: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      These MAPL we oh how needed yesterday

      Простите что придираюсь! Такую аббревиатуру МАПЛ для ПЛ обычно не применяют на флоте есть БАПЛ , а к Ясеням применяют АПРК — атомный подводный ракетный крейсер или "ПЛАРК"-подводная лодка атомная с ракетами крылатыми. Я не умничаю просто если в теме то теряешься при незнакомых аббревиатурах.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 September 2015 19: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: sir.jonn
        а к Ясеням применяют АПРК — атомный подводный ракетный крейсер или "ПЛАРК"-подводная лодка атомная с ракетами крылатыми.

        In essence, the submarine of the Ash project is MULTI-PURPOSE ATOMIC SUBMARines (the cruiser will be more correct), that is, not even the MAPL, but the MAPK will be more correct. But I think this dispute is not fundamental. hi
        1. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 29 September 2015 19: 51 New
          +6
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: sir.jonn
          а к Ясеням применяют АПРК — атомный подводный ракетный крейсер или "ПЛАРК"-подводная лодка атомная с ракетами крылатыми.

          In essence, the submarine of the Ash project is MULTI-PURPOSE ATOMIC SUBMARines (the cruiser will be more correct), that is, not even the MAPL, but the MAPK will be more correct. But I think this dispute is not fundamental. hi

          Yes, I do not argue, just because of the abundance of invented contractions, the head explodes. I’m a submariner, but sometimes I can’t understand what is at stake.
          1. annodomene
            annodomene 30 September 2015 07: 27 New
            +4
            Есть приказ ГК ВМФ по классификации, так скажем, "всего, что ходит по воде под флагом ВМФ".
            The abbreviation of the Premier League is also not entirely correct. It will be right - pla, and the submarine is emergency Submarine.
  11. Fedor Bolts
    Fedor Bolts 29 September 2015 18: 50 New
    0
    Finally, they began to recognize the lost electronics. And then we have Khibiny. We are ahead of the rest. But in fact, we only know how to produce diodes.
    1. VP
      VP 29 September 2015 19: 19 New
      +2
      You are probably an expert in what exactly we are able and produce?
  12. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 29 September 2015 18: 50 New
    +2
    and who import substitutes there - KRET ?? do not sleep !!!! work !!! no time at all .. mattresses attack !!!
  13. NDR-791
    NDR-791 29 September 2015 18: 51 New
    +1
    «Головная лодка всегда строится намного дольше серийной. Кроме того, налицо недостаточные возможности промышленности, в том числе в плане импортозамещения, поскольку "Казань" должна иметь радиоэлектронное оборудование и другую "начинку" исключительно российского производства»
    Она, конечно головная, и по электронике теперь так вообще за последние 20 лет получается головной. Хорошо, хоть причиной задержки названы "возможности промышленности", а не привычное - "денег дайте, а то мы уже положенное освоили..."
  14. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 29 September 2015 18: 51 New
    0
    I wonder when they will launch to the water?
    1. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 29 September 2015 22: 26 New
      0
      +12.2016
  15. fransys.drake
    fransys.drake 29 September 2015 18: 55 New
    +2
    I'm not special, just interested. It seems to me that the future in the nuclear submarine is in the nuclear triad. If wrong, I will be glad to read your opinions and arguments. Thanks in advance!
    1. trigger
      trigger 29 September 2015 19: 08 New
      -8
      The future is to deploy warheads on satellites, and submarines - the last century.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 29 September 2015 20: 04 New
        0
        Quote: trigger
        The future is to deploy warheads on satellites,

        Will come off the orbit - it will be cool.
        1. trigger
          trigger 29 September 2015 21: 28 New
          0
          Nothing will happen in order to detonate a nuclear, and even more so a thermonuclear charge, you need to really try.
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          2. Good me
            Good me 29 September 2015 21: 49 New
            0
            Quote: trigger
            Nothing will happen in order to detonate a nuclear, and even more so a thermonuclear charge, you need to really try.

            Try, do not try, but completely burned out, and partially unburnt radioactive elements that have fallen in the form of dust and precipitation will not bring joy to anyone ...
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 29 September 2015 21: 54 New
        0
        Where they will be visible to anyone. And missile defense systems too.
    2. VP
      VP 29 September 2015 19: 21 New
      0
      I think that after some time they will learn to detect and track the location of nuclear submarines at great depths from great distances.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 29 September 2015 19: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: fransys.drake
      I'm not special, just interested. It seems to me that the future in the nuclear submarine is in the nuclear triad. If wrong, I will be glad to read your opinions and arguments. Thanks in advance!

      The Barguzin (railway) ПЖРК is currently being developed, by the year 18 they promise to put into production, then the ICBMs of Sarmat will replace the Voivods by the 20th year, plus Rubezh’s ICBM is already in the army. they can pass the adversary’s missile defense system quite easily. And for Sarmat’s ICBMs it doesn’t matter at all whether the enemy has missile defense systems at all. This is a short story about the land component.
      As regards the airborne part of the triad, X-102 missiles are being finalized there for strategists with a launch range of 5500 km, that is, without entering the enemy’s air defense zone. Well, and accordingly new carriers are being developed for it, such as PAK DA and new Swans.
      Well, in short, something like that.
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 29 September 2015 19: 39 New
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: fransys.drake
        I'm not special ...

        The Barguzin (railway) ПЖРК is currently being developed ... plus ICBMs ... new carriers are being developed, such as PAK YES

        but it was difficult for me to read as well
        :-)
        1. fransys.drake
          fransys.drake 29 September 2015 19: 48 New
          0
          Well, I'm not that kind of boots))))) but you are right) they promise that PAK YES nose all morning, but at the same time, God forbid, very bright future))
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 29 September 2015 19: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: MainBeam
          but it was difficult for me to read as well
          :-)

          Sorry, I wrote quickly, not ПЖРК, but БЖРК. BZHRK Barguzin- (Combat railway complex). ICBM-intercontinental ballistic missile. PAK YES-promising long-range aviation complex. hi
      2. fransys.drake
        fransys.drake 29 September 2015 19: 42 New
        -1
        satellite control of strategists? and besides the 160s, whether Bears and 22k can still scare ... I don’t know. IMHO strategic aviation och vulnerable. Well, the hope for modernized carcasses 160 and they still promise us there
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 29 September 2015 21: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: fransys.drake
          IMHO strategic aviation och vulnerable

          Ошибаетесь.Скажем на том же ТУ-160 стоят системы РЭБ,благодаря которым ,надо очень сильно постараться,чтоб его сбить.Второе,сейчас проходят испытания крылатые ракеты(КР) Х-101/102. Х-102 идет с ядерным зарядом(ЯЗ).Дальность пуска 5500 км,то есть "стратег"не входя в зону действия ПВО супостата производит пуски и разворачивается домой.Третье,какой-то отрезок пути "стратег" идет в сопровождении наших тяжелых истребителей.И последнее,ТУ-160 поднимается на высоту до 23 км,при этом не каждый истребитель- перехватчик летает на таких высотах. hi
  16. fransys.drake
    fransys.drake 29 September 2015 19: 08 New
    0
    еще вопрос к старожилам, как считаете, "Акула" - это была гигантомания, или все же перспектива, на которую банально не хватило денег, чтобы произвести массово? Многие называют "Водовозом" и т.п. Сейчас пишут, что модернизация обойдется в строительство новой АПЛ, а значит не имеет экономического смысла. Все же любо мне изделие это )
    1. starpom
      starpom 29 September 2015 19: 20 New
      +6
      Quote: fransys.drake
      как считаете, "Акула" - это была гигантомания

      Это была манера под каждую ракету строить свой носитель. Так как с твердым топливом у нас до сих пор проблемы, вот и получилось такое большое изделие (в смысле ракета). А под нее пришлось построить, как правильно заметили, "водовоз". Зато условия службы.... 1-е, 2-е поколения плакали от зависти.
    2. clidon
      clidon 29 September 2015 20: 08 New
      -2
      It was gigantomania, and many people confuse us with size and power.
  17. Yarik
    Yarik 29 September 2015 19: 15 New
    +1
    The submarine "Kazan" will be transferred to the Navy with a delay

    К ВМФ: " Казань брал? .... sad No.
  18. Ilya77
    Ilya77 29 September 2015 19: 15 New
    -1
    If money for mura were not transferred, like this - http://lenta.ru/news/2015/09/29/russiancannes/, they would have completed everything. Well, although for a year - this is normal for the prototype, in our aviation sector everything usually lasts longer. Yes, and for the money that they give for the construction, we could probably have already built three, we know how they are successfully sawing in mechanical engineering.
  19. family tree
    family tree 29 September 2015 19: 38 New
    0
    According to the interlocutor, the reason for the shift to the right is the novelty of the project.
    Md Or maybe, all the same, shortages of equipment and materials what As far as I remember, the NSR is not the office where they cannot solve problems. Although, to blame, he got excited, it seemed, again all the cones on the NSR fell request
  20. Old26
    Old26 29 September 2015 19: 42 New
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    Quote: Ilya77
    Well, although for a year - this is normal for the head sample,

    "Казань" не головная, а уже серийная. головная - "Северодвинск"
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 29 September 2015 19: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      "Казань" не головная, а уже серийная. головная - "Северодвинск"

      Not quite so. Severodvinsk is a boat of the Yasen project, and Kazan is the Yasen-M. Project. Different submarines. hi
  21. BOB044
    BOB044 29 September 2015 19: 44 New
    0
    New it is new. Not what is tolerated, but the next will be built faster.
  22. lensoviet2014
    lensoviet2014 29 September 2015 20: 14 New
    +1
    Cдать в срок, к юбилею, к празднику и т. д. этот путь уже был. Довести все до ума, что бы потом не было мучительно больно... Есть объективные проблемы, и специалисты их решают. И откровенно говорят об этом. Это лучше чем, не дай Бог, где что утонет, или упадет. А так, я думаю там то же не "лузеры" сидят, понимают что к чему... И делают больше, чем мы можем представить.
  23. DMB3000
    DMB3000 29 September 2015 21: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Sterlya
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: figvam
    The main thing is that by 2020 there will be a combat readiness.

    К 2020г нужно, чтобы "вся линейка" была готова! Иначе не хватит сил гонять амерские лодки подо льдами Арктики, а ведь там уже нарезаны РБД супостата.

    at that. get ready for war by the 20th? in vain. if war will be, then earlier. And after 20x just some kind of calm is not clear

    are you an oracle?)
  24. Denis_469
    Denis_469 29 September 2015 22: 20 New
    0
    For some reason I’m not surprised. There was part ukrovskaya komplektuhi and now it is being replaced with ours. Because the backlog got out.
  25. rosstov
    rosstov 30 September 2015 00: 35 New
    0
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    Quote: Anton Gavrilov
    For reference, western radio electronics are not there! There is Taiwanese, but western NEMA !!!


    that’s the joy if you don’t know the west in the USSR everything was considered foreign without distinction with the east .. the brain sometimes include patriotism in your cheers

    No, my friend, do not confuse - the West has always been Europe and the States, as far as I remember, they did not call Japan the West, and Taiwan, Korea, and mainland China were still not relevant in this regard. Anyway, what does the USSR have to do with it, a person doesn’t mention it (look carefully at what you quote). So before you blaspheme others, turn on your own brains, if you have something to turn on, otherwise judging by the comments, this is not striking
  26. guran
    guran 30 September 2015 02: 14 New
    0
    Quote: FinnTroll
    I agree. In the USSR, they managed to somehow somehow almost 2-3 boats a year, although yes ... it was the USSR ...

    2-3 govnolodki, you want to say? Which drowned, with increased accident rate? Maybe enough already, huh? We’re in a hurry all my life, I urgently need to turn in, urgently! To the anniversary of dear Leonid Ilyich, to the day of the Navy, to the New Year, to the arrival of the authorities. And then we dissolve the cheers, consider the corpses and disgrace the whole world with our unfinished or in the hurry made shit-boats.
    About 20 years ago, the entire coast of the Tatar Strait was littered with rusty diesel submarines of projects of the 50-60s. They riveted xs how much, nothing really works, a lot is out of date, one asks, what kind of tear was this, the country's budget was nightmare on bullshit?
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 September 2015 05: 07 New
    0
    Yes, let it be late. The main thing is that it would have come out even better than planned.)) Interestingly, is it planned to put something into civilian life from military electronics? And then in the Union there were always problems with this.
  28. annodomene
    annodomene 30 September 2015 07: 30 New
    +3
    In my opinion, the main thing for lead boats is reliability, the ability to skate everything that is possible with experimental (at least) operation.
    The photo is beautiful! Only, in my opinion, the fencing is cramped, IMHO.
  29. Dimka999
    Dimka999 30 September 2015 08: 02 New
    0
    "Казань" атомная подводная лодка - звучит гордо))
  30. Raptor_RB
    Raptor_RB 30 September 2015 15: 15 New
    0
    The main thing is that before the Apocalypse it is time to wet the fins. The rest is nonsense and dust. Routine. Good luck to our shipbuilders.