The submarine "Kazan" will be transferred to the Navy with a delay

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The first representative of the improved project 885М "Yasen-M" nuclear submarine "Kazan" will be transferred to the Russian Navy with a delay of one year, according to MIC with reference to tass.



“Under the terms of the contract, Kazan should be transferred the fleet in 2017, but it’s now clear that this period will not be sustained. The Navy will not receive this nuclear submarine until 2018, ”a source in the defense industry told the agency.

According to the interlocutor, the reason for the shift to the right is the novelty of the project.

“The head boat is always built much longer serially. In addition, there are insufficient industrial opportunities, including in terms of import substitution, since Kazan must have electronic equipment and other stuffing exclusively of Russian manufacture, ”he explained.

The first submarine of the 885 project, Sevmash, transferred to the fleet in 2014. All subsequent Ash Trees - Kazan, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk and Arkhangelsk - were laid (from 2009 to 2015) already on an improved project.

Help "MIC": “Multipurpose nuclear submarines of the Yasen type have a surface displacement of 8,6 thousand tons, a submerged one - 13,8 thousand tons. They can dive to 600 meters and develop underwater speed at about 30 nodes. The project used a mixed design system - a light hull encloses only a part of a solid hull in the bow of the boat to reduce noise. For the first time in domestic shipbuilding, torpedo tubes were placed not in the nose, but behind the central post section. Ash Trees is being armed with Onyx and Caliber cruise missiles, homing torpedoes. ”
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  1. +16
    29 September 2015 18: 26
    For the sake of novelty, you can tolerate. The main thing is not to be disappointed with the "novelty".
    1. -2
      29 September 2015 18: 50
      In 1966, this was the topic of a graduation project. And so it was born. Nice, but it would be better before!
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      2. +2
        29 September 2015 19: 15
        Quote: TBM - 75
        In 1966, this was the topic of a graduation project. And so it was born. Nice, but it would be better before!

        whose project? did you defend this project in 1966? You are probably about 85 years old? You say, don’t talk. and what, in fact, was born? your oligophrenic twins, or down grandson? both grief, but sooner or later not important, I sympathize with you.
        1. +9
          29 September 2015 19: 32
          In addition, there are inadequate capabilities of the industry, including in terms of import substitution, since Kazan must have radio-electronic equipment and other "stuffing" exclusively of Russian production "
          If it were not for the anti-Russian sanctions imposed by the USA and the EU, then the boat would be delivered on time. But on the other hand, well, sometime in the end it is necessary to raise our radio-electronic industry, and it’s not good. So what can sanctions bring us?
          1. 0
            29 September 2015 22: 15
            For reference, western radio electronics are not there! There is Taiwanese, but western NEMA !!!
            1. 0
              30 September 2015 00: 10
              Quote: Anton Gavrilov
              For reference, western radio electronics are not there! There is Taiwanese, but western NEMA !!!


              that’s the joy if you don’t know the west in the USSR everything was considered foreign without distinction with the east .. the brain sometimes include patriotism in your cheers
              1. 0
                30 September 2015 08: 41
                West and East are two different things! I expressed emotions only because things should be called by their proper names, and not inventing all kinds of crap!

                And who is who, and I’m definitely not a cheer patriot.
        2. +2
          29 September 2015 20: 00
          Popandopulo, and what is so evil. Maybe 70 is not there yet.
          1. +2
            29 September 2015 20: 11
            Quote: tolian
            Popandopulo, and what is so evil. Maybe 70 is not there yet.

            or maybe 40 no, spit, disgusting when a complete ignoramus tries to fart something on a smart guy.
          2. +17
            29 September 2015 20: 55
            Popandopulo, and what is so evil. Maybe 70 is not there yet.

            Most likely the citizen had in mind one and a half hull boats hi One way or another it’s impossible to be rude anyway! Tea is not on the censor! drinks
        3. +1
          29 September 2015 23: 59
          popandopulo! If you weren’t in the subject, don’t go. Pikes would be one and a half hulls before the Second World War. Due to the high noise of the first boats, we wanted to increase the size of the HAK antennas by moving torpedo tubes to the middle part of the hull. For some reasons, this proposal was rejected. For the inertness of our admirals, projects 670 and 671 were broken with great difficulty. I will not explain the details of the projects, who knows the topic, who is not the topic, but wants to find a lot of information on specialized websites on the Internet.
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      7. 0
        30 September 2015 08: 43
        It seems like nonsense. The general concept of the boat can be and could be assumed back in 1966, but it is very far from fiction to reality. People from ancient times dreamed of flying into space, but this does not mean that a spaceship was invented before our era.
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  2. +6
    29 September 2015 18: 30
    The main thing to be in time, so as not in the 41st
    1. 0
      29 September 2015 19: 07
      Quote: serg.75
      The main thing to be in time, so as not in the 41st

      Napoleon before attacking. Russia is a colossus on feet of clay.
      Chief monkey. Russia is a regional country. Are you talking about this?
      1. -7
        29 September 2015 19: 09
        41 years old is more about Hitler
      2. +4
        29 September 2015 19: 34
        I'm about to be ready for both Napoleon and his ilk
  3. +1
    29 September 2015 18: 31
    The main thing is that by 2020 there will be a combat readiness.
    1. +5
      29 September 2015 19: 57
      Quote: figvam
      The main thing is that by 2020 there will be a combat readiness.

      By 2020, it is necessary that "the whole line" be ready! Otherwise, there will not be enough strength to drive amerskie boats under the ice of the Arctic, and after all, the enemy's RBDs have already been cut there.
      1. +1
        29 September 2015 20: 02
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Quote: figvam
        The main thing is that by 2020 there will be a combat readiness.

        By 2020, it is necessary that "the whole line" be ready! Otherwise, there will not be enough strength to drive amerskie boats under the ice of the Arctic, and after all, the enemy's RBDs have already been cut there.

        at that. get ready for war by the 20th? in vain. if war will be, then earlier. And after 20x just some kind of calm is not clear
        1. +1
          30 September 2015 00: 17
          Yes, everything is clear. After 20x there will be a radioactive desert.
  4. +13
    29 September 2015 18: 32
    I understand the stated plans for the construction of 7 Ashis before 2020, the year did not come true ..
    Sad but predictable
    1. +3
      29 September 2015 18: 41
      Quote: pistons
      I understand the stated plans for the construction of 7 Ashis before 2020, the year did not come true ..

      Not necessary. The first copies are always more expensive and build longer. After experience, speed increases and the cost drops.
      1. +3
        29 September 2015 19: 01
        Quote: pilot8878
        Quote: pistons
        I understand the stated plans for the construction of 7 Ashis before 2020, the year did not come true ..

        Not necessary. The first copies are always more expensive and build longer. After experience, speed increases and the cost drops.


        Yes, you are an optimist, my dear)) The submarines "Novosibirsk", "Krasnoyarsk" and "Arkhangelsk" will pass in the interval 2018-2020 ?! crying
        1. +6
          29 September 2015 20: 05
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          The nuclear submarines Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk and Arkhangelsk will be commissioned in the period 2018-2020 ?!

          And what will prevent "saturating" the finished cases, if our radio-electronic industry is finally born with "import substitution" !? The hulls take their places on the stocks of Sevmash. It's up to the subcontractors!
          1. +2
            29 September 2015 21: 45
            I agree. In the USSR, they managed to somehow somehow almost 2-3 boats a year, although yes ... it was the USSR ...
            1. +2
              30 September 2015 00: 28
              These were boats 667 of the project of various modifications of 2 plants of NEA and Severodvinsk. There were also Sormovsky and Admiralteysky. In some years, up to 8 submarines of various projects left the slipways and were handed over to the fleet. There are reference books by Ilyin, Shirokorad and other authors. The construction period was 10-12 months.
              1. -3
                30 September 2015 02: 19
                Quote: Amurets
                The construction period was 10-12 months.

                shit submarines can be driven by running kilometers.
    2. 0
      29 September 2015 18: 42
      Yes, exactly, in fact 2-3 is no more, according to Boreyam-A it is similar.
      1. +3
        29 September 2015 19: 43
        “The lead boat is always built much longer than the serial.

        It's true. And actually it concerns not only submarines, but practically everything ...
        It’s only sad that almost every ship in the fleet is the lead ship sad Corvettes and frigates which are built on 2 ships per project (I exaggerate of course, but the story with Ivan Gren is indicative in this case) is suggestive that not everything is smooth ...
        Regarding the surrender of all Ash M up to the year 20: Well, you are my friend and utopian ... smile Sea or Campanella call you? lol
        hi
      2. +1
        29 September 2015 20: 09
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        Yes, exactly, in fact 2-3 is no more, according to Boreyam-A it is similar.
        Anton, you seem to be working somewhere * there *, if you can, clarify the situation (without going beyond 010) so that we have your confidence and optimism!
        Best regards, hi
        1. +2
          29 September 2015 22: 23
          The situation is such that before the 20 year, as I said, 2-3 Yasenya-M and 2-3 Boreya-A. will be delivered. This is iron 3-4 885 and 5-6 955.

          At the expense of the head 885M, it’s far from the fact that they will be managed there in 18.

          According to the 12.2016 plan, the descent, but possibly later, not earlier than the summer-fall of 2017, the first exit to the sea. In this project, almost all the equipment differs from what was on the 885, therefore a lot of OCD, a very large amount of testing as such, is simple and they won’t pass without problems. Much will depend on the quality of work to bring the ship to mind and the elimination of comments, and there will not be a few of them 100%.

          In Sev-ke, this process was organized through 1 in a bad place, if briefly, this was one of the reasons why everything dragged on with him for so long. How will it be with 885M in a couple of years.

          My forecast is not earlier than 12.2018-2019.
        2. +1
          29 September 2015 22: 44
          It seems that they simply stupidly decided to merge all the blame onto radio electronics at the expense of the boats. I repeat, yes, there are a lot of foreign components there, but Taiwan supplies them, not the west, but I don’t remember something, he imposed sanctions against us.

          The reason here is only 1 - our industry has not yet recovered from the shocks of the past years, and the current "shakes" are not adding to it either. There are problems with supplies from contractors, and with the organization of construction, and with a shortage of personnel - the problem of disruption of the state defense order for new submarines complex and does not rest on 1 specific reason.

          Here, even with the buildings, everything is not so simple and rosy, at the beginning or middle of the year’s track, only 3 885М (Kazan, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk) and as many 955А (Prince Vladimir, Prince Oleg and GS) will be ready. For the rest of the buildings, the next year, they will only be actively deployed, before they are completed, before 17-18 one can not even think about it, and on individual orders it will drag on even further.
  5. +2
    29 September 2015 18: 34
    the most fig-if you suddenly decide to cut a series of a couple of units.
    1. +4
      29 September 2015 18: 44
      1 already reduced, 7 instead of 8
      1. +1
        29 September 2015 20: 05
        The cost of the project has increased, so they can easily cut a couple more pieces with the transition to a cheaper project.
  6. +3
    29 September 2015 18: 35
    It is a very good tradition to call the nuclear submarines by the names of cities. "Kazan" warms the soul.
    1. +4
      29 September 2015 18: 43
      Quote: MainBeam
      It is a very good tradition to call the nuclear submarines by the names of cities. "Kazan" warms the soul.

      There is something in it. In Soviet times, on such submarines of the same name, Navy ships sent the best recruits from cities. Cities patronized the ships providing them.
      1. +4
        29 September 2015 19: 15
        Quote: APASUS
        In Soviet times, on such eponymous submarines,

        In Soviet times, there weren’t
        1. +3
          30 September 2015 07: 24
          Almost none. K-206 "Minsky Komsomolets".
    2. +1
      29 September 2015 19: 04
      And funny incidents because of this happen, like the one when Vanga predicted that Kursk would sink and everyone thought it was a city.
      1. +5
        29 September 2015 19: 16
        Quote: trigger
        And funny incidents because of this happen, like the one when Vanga predicted that Kursk would sink and everyone thought it was a city.

        but I thought you were a Troll?
        1. +2
          29 September 2015 20: 16
          Quote: Sterlya
          but I thought you were a Troll?

          You thought it right Yes
      2. VP
        0
        29 September 2015 19: 17
        Oh, these tales, oh, these storytellers (s) m / f Last year's snow fell
        1. 0
          29 September 2015 19: 36
          it's actually a fact, not a fairy tale.
          1. +2
            29 September 2015 20: 06
            Wang’s already half Europe became extinct from World War II by 2012, the whole world is suffering from chemical burns and in general, aliens will come here.
  7. +2
    29 September 2015 18: 38
    Better late than on time and unfinished ... what
    1. +3
      29 September 2015 20: 17
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Better late than on time and unfinished.
      Actually, it's better "on time" Yes and in accordance with the performance characteristics laid down in the project.
  8. +1
    29 September 2015 18: 39
    Well, there’s at least objective reasons. So good luck. And before that, there was a lack of consistency and the cut was the reason.
  9. +1
    29 September 2015 18: 41
    "Kazan" nuclear submarine - sounds proudly))
  10. +2
    29 September 2015 18: 43
    Let's hope that having tested the technology of building such boats on "Kazan", "Novosibirsk", "Krasnoyarsk" and "Arkhangelsk" will build a little faster. Oh, how we need these MAPLs yesterday. But apparently due to the fact that each subsequent one should be better than the previous one (Rogozin's words), I'm afraid there will be problems with the rest of the boats in terms of timing, although we'll wait and see.
    1. +4
      29 September 2015 19: 31
      Quote: NEXUS
      These MAPL we oh how needed yesterday

      Forgive me for finding fault! This abbreviation MAPL for submarines is usually not used in the fleet, there is a submarine, and for Ash they use APRK - a nuclear submarine missile cruiser or "SSGN" - a nuclear submarine with cruise missiles. I'm not being clever just if you get lost in the subject with unfamiliar abbreviations.
      1. +1
        29 September 2015 19: 39
        Quote: sir.jonn
        and APRK - nuclear submarine missile cruiser or "PLARK" - nuclear submarine with cruise missiles is used for Ash.

        In essence, the submarine of the Ash project is MULTI-PURPOSE ATOMIC SUBMARines (the cruiser will be more correct), that is, not even the MAPL, but the MAPK will be more correct. But I think this dispute is not fundamental. hi
        1. +6
          29 September 2015 19: 51
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: sir.jonn
          and APRK - nuclear submarine missile cruiser or "PLARK" - nuclear submarine with cruise missiles is used for Ash.

          In essence, the submarine of the Ash project is MULTI-PURPOSE ATOMIC SUBMARines (the cruiser will be more correct), that is, not even the MAPL, but the MAPK will be more correct. But I think this dispute is not fundamental. hi

          Yes, I do not argue, just because of the abundance of invented contractions, the head explodes. I’m a submariner, but sometimes I can’t understand what is at stake.
          1. +4
            30 September 2015 07: 27
            There is an order of the Navy General Committee on classification, so to speak, "everything that walks on the water under the flag of the Navy."
            The abbreviation of the Premier League is also not entirely correct. It will be right - pla, and the submarine is emergency Submarine.
  11. 0
    29 September 2015 18: 50
    Finally, they began to recognize the lost electronics. And then we have Khibiny. We are ahead of the rest. But in fact, we only know how to produce diodes.
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      +2
      29 September 2015 19: 19
      You are probably an expert in what exactly we are able and produce?
  12. +2
    29 September 2015 18: 50
    and who import substitutes there - KRET ?? do not sleep !!!! work !!! no time at all .. mattresses attack !!!
  13. +1
    29 September 2015 18: 51
    “The lead boat is always built much longer than the serial one. In addition, there are inadequate capabilities of the industry, including in terms of import substitution, since Kazan must have radio-electronic equipment and other "stuffing" exclusively of Russian production "
    It is, of course, the head one, and in electronics it has now generally been the head one for the last 20 years. Well, at least the reason for the delay was called "the capabilities of the industry", and not the usual - "give me money, otherwise we have already mastered what is supposed to be ..."
  14. 0
    29 September 2015 18: 51
    I wonder when they will launch to the water?
    1. 0
      29 September 2015 22: 26
      12.2016-2017
  15. +2
    29 September 2015 18: 55
    I'm not special, just interested. It seems to me that the future in the nuclear submarine is in the nuclear triad. If wrong, I will be glad to read your opinions and arguments. Thanks in advance!
    1. -8
      29 September 2015 19: 08
      The future is to deploy warheads on satellites, and submarines - the last century.
      1. 0
        29 September 2015 20: 04
        Quote: trigger
        The future is to deploy warheads on satellites,

        Will come off the orbit - it will be cool.
        1. 0
          29 September 2015 21: 28
          Nothing will happen in order to detonate a nuclear, and even more so a thermonuclear charge, you need to really try.
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          2. 0
            29 September 2015 21: 49
            Quote: trigger
            Nothing will happen in order to detonate a nuclear, and even more so a thermonuclear charge, you need to really try.

            Try, do not try, but completely burned out, and partially unburnt radioactive elements that have fallen in the form of dust and precipitation will not bring joy to anyone ...
      2. 0
        29 September 2015 21: 54
        Where they will be visible to anyone. And missile defense systems too.
    2. VP
      0
      29 September 2015 19: 21
      I think that after some time they will learn to detect and track the location of nuclear submarines at great depths from great distances.
    3. +1
      29 September 2015 19: 32
      Quote: fransys.drake
      I'm not special, just interested. It seems to me that the future in the nuclear submarine is in the nuclear triad. If wrong, I will be glad to read your opinions and arguments. Thanks in advance!

      The Barguzin (railway) ПЖРК is currently being developed, by the year 18 they promise to put into production, then the ICBMs of Sarmat will replace the Voivods by the 20th year, plus Rubezh’s ICBM is already in the army. they can pass the adversary’s missile defense system quite easily. And for Sarmat’s ICBMs it doesn’t matter at all whether the enemy has missile defense systems at all. This is a short story about the land component.
      As regards the airborne part of the triad, X-102 missiles are being finalized there for strategists with a launch range of 5500 km, that is, without entering the enemy’s air defense zone. Well, and accordingly new carriers are being developed for it, such as PAK DA and new Swans.
      Well, in short, something like that.
      1. 0
        29 September 2015 19: 39
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: fransys.drake
        I'm not special ...

        The Barguzin (railway) ПЖРК is currently being developed ... plus ICBMs ... new carriers are being developed, such as PAK YES

        but it was difficult for me to read as well
        :-)
        1. 0
          29 September 2015 19: 48
          Well, I'm not that kind of boots))))) but you are right) they promise that PAK YES nose all morning, but at the same time, God forbid, very bright future))
        2. +2
          29 September 2015 19: 57
          Quote: MainBeam
          but it was difficult for me to read as well
          :-)

          Sorry, I wrote quickly, not ПЖРК, but БЖРК. BZHRK Barguzin- (Combat railway complex). ICBM-intercontinental ballistic missile. PAK YES-promising long-range aviation complex. hi
      2. -1
        29 September 2015 19: 42
        satellite control of strategists? and besides the 160s, whether Bears and 22k can still scare ... I don’t know. IMHO strategic aviation och vulnerable. Well, the hope for modernized carcasses 160 and they still promise us there
        1. +1
          29 September 2015 21: 02
          Quote: fransys.drake
          IMHO strategic aviation och vulnerable

          Let's say on the same TU-160 there are electronic warfare systems, thanks to which you have to try very hard to shoot it down. Secondly, cruise missiles (CR) Kh-101/102 are now being tested. The Kh-102 comes with a nuclear charge (YZ). The launch range is 5500 km, that is, the "strategist", without entering the enemy's air defense zone, launches and turns home. And finally, the TU-160 rises to an altitude of 23 km, while not every fighter-interceptor flies at such altitudes. hi
  16. 0
    29 September 2015 19: 08
    Another question for the old-timers, what do you think, "Shark" - was it a gigantomania, or is it a prospect for which there simply wasn’t enough money to produce it in large quantities? Many people call it "Vodovoz", etc. Now they write that the modernization will cost the construction of a new nuclear submarine, which means it has no economic sense. Still, I love this product)
    1. +6
      29 September 2015 19: 20
      Quote: fransys.drake
      what do you think, "Shark" - it was gigantomania

      It was a way to build a carrier for each missile. Since we still have problems with solid fuel, this is how such a large product has turned out (in the sense of a rocket). And for it had to be built, as you correctly noted, a "water carrier". But the conditions of service .... 1st, 2nd generations cried with envy.
    2. -2
      29 September 2015 20: 08
      It was gigantomania, and many people confuse us with size and power.
  17. +1
    29 September 2015 19: 15
    The submarine "Kazan" will be transferred to the Navy with a delay

    To the Navy: "Did you take Kazan? .... sad No.
  18. -1
    29 September 2015 19: 15
    If money for mura were not transferred, like this - http://lenta.ru/news/2015/09/29/russiancannes/, they would have completed everything. Well, although for a year - this is normal for the prototype, in our aviation sector everything usually lasts longer. Yes, and for the money that they give for the construction, we could probably have already built three, we know how they are successfully sawing in mechanical engineering.
  19. 0
    29 September 2015 19: 38
    According to the interlocutor, the reason for the shift to the right is the novelty of the project.
    Md Or maybe, all the same, shortages of equipment and materials what As far as I remember, the NSR is not the office where they cannot solve problems. Although, to blame, he got excited, it seemed, again all the cones on the NSR fell request
  20. 0
    29 September 2015 19: 42
    Quote: Ilya77
    Well, although for a year - this is normal for the head sample,

    "Kazan" is not the head one, but the serial one. head - "Severodvinsk"
    1. +1
      29 September 2015 19: 49
      Quote: Old26
      "Kazan" is not the head one, but the serial one. head - "Severodvinsk"

      Not quite so. Severodvinsk is a boat of the Yasen project, and Kazan is the Yasen-M. Project. Different submarines. hi
  21. 0
    29 September 2015 19: 44
    New it is new. Not what is tolerated, but the next will be built faster.
  22. +1
    29 September 2015 20: 14
    To hand over on time, by the anniversary, by the holiday, etc. this path has already been. To bring everything to mind, so that later it would not be excruciatingly painful ... There are objective problems, and experts solve them. And they speak frankly about it. This is better than, God forbid, where something will sink or fall. And so, I think it's not the same "losers" who sit there, understand what's what ... And do more than we can imagine.
  23. 0
    29 September 2015 21: 45
    Quote: Sterlya
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: figvam
    The main thing is that by 2020 there will be a combat readiness.

    By 2020, it is necessary that "the whole line" be ready! Otherwise, there will not be enough strength to drive amerskie boats under the ice of the Arctic, and after all, the enemy's RBDs have already been cut there.

    at that. get ready for war by the 20th? in vain. if war will be, then earlier. And after 20x just some kind of calm is not clear

    are you an oracle?)
  24. 0
    29 September 2015 22: 20
    For some reason I’m not surprised. There was part ukrovskaya komplektuhi and now it is being replaced with ours. Because the backlog got out.
  25. 0
    30 September 2015 00: 35
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    Quote: Anton Gavrilov
    For reference, western radio electronics are not there! There is Taiwanese, but western NEMA !!!


    that’s the joy if you don’t know the west in the USSR everything was considered foreign without distinction with the east .. the brain sometimes include patriotism in your cheers

    No, my friend, do not confuse - the West has always been Europe and the States, as far as I remember, they did not call Japan the West, and Taiwan, Korea, and mainland China were still not relevant in this regard. Anyway, what does the USSR have to do with it, a person doesn’t mention it (look carefully at what you quote). So before you blaspheme others, turn on your own brains, if you have something to turn on, otherwise judging by the comments, this is not striking
  26. 0
    30 September 2015 02: 14
    Quote: FinnTroll
    I agree. In the USSR, they managed to somehow somehow almost 2-3 boats a year, although yes ... it was the USSR ...

    2-3 govnolodki, you want to say? Which drowned, with increased accident rate? Maybe enough already, huh? We’re in a hurry all my life, I urgently need to turn in, urgently! To the anniversary of dear Leonid Ilyich, to the day of the Navy, to the New Year, to the arrival of the authorities. And then we dissolve the cheers, consider the corpses and disgrace the whole world with our unfinished or in the hurry made shit-boats.
    About 20 years ago, the entire coast of the Tatar Strait was littered with rusty diesel submarines of projects of the 50-60s. They riveted xs how much, nothing really works, a lot is out of date, one asks, what kind of tear was this, the country's budget was nightmare on bullshit?
  27. 0
    30 September 2015 05: 07
    Yes, let it be late. The main thing is that it would have come out even better than planned.)) Interestingly, is it planned to put something into civilian life from military electronics? And then in the Union there were always problems with this.
  28. +3
    30 September 2015 07: 30
    In my opinion, the main thing for lead boats is reliability, the ability to skate everything that is possible with experimental (at least) operation.
    The photo is beautiful! Only, in my opinion, the fencing is cramped, IMHO.
  29. 0
    30 September 2015 08: 02
    "Kazan" nuclear submarine - sounds proudly))
  30. 0
    30 September 2015 15: 15
    The main thing is that before the Apocalypse it is time to wet the fins. The rest is nonsense and dust. Routine. Good luck to our shipbuilders.