Lithuania buys German self-propelled guns "Panzergaubitze-2000"

Lithuania agreed with Germany on the acquisition of self-propelled howitzers, reports MIC with reference to the head of the military department of the republic Juozas Olekas.

“The relevant agreement will be signed on Tuesday,” said Olekas.

The defense department clarified that this is about the purchase of an “21 self-propelled 155-millimeter howitzer model“ Panzerhaubitze-2000 ”(Panzerhaubitze 2000)”.

According to the representative of the department, “sixteen of them will be put into service with the Lithuanian army, two will be used for training, three for spare parts.”

The first howitzers must enter the republic in 2016.

Help newspaper: "" Panzergaubittse-2000 "entered service with the Bundeswehr in 1998 year. The gun’s rate of fire is up to 10 rounds per minute, the range for hitting the target with standard ammunition is 30-35 km, missiles - 50-60 km. ”

Comments

[SS68SS]

Good targets for Hyacinths-S and Coalitions are bought by our Lithuanian partners.

[vodolaz]

Almost new, my grandfather stood in the garage, not broken and not painted)))))
PS. 3 for parts is strong))))

[Penetrator]

Quote: vodolaz

PS. 3 for parts is strong))))

Yeah. It is seen on the original spare parts money is not provided in the budget. Nothing, he and also those two that are for training, in which case they are torn apart.

[figwam]

Future trophies.

[bulvas]

Is there a landfill in Lithuania with a suitable distance?

Or will they come to an agreement with Latvia and Estonia and set goals on the northern border of Estonia?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: vodolaz

Almost new, my grandfather stood in the garage, not broken and not painted)))))

In general, the PZH 2000 was launched in 1998, so the self-propelled guns are quite new.

[ssergn]

smiled too.

[SRC P-15]

Lithuania buys German self-propelled guns "Panzergaubitze-2000"

To them about these "Panzerbyubitsa"!

[Temples]

three for parts

Apparently three already about ... bali)))
On the way, they evaporated, so to speak, and they came up with the phrase "for parts."
Suddenly, someone asks:
“And where are three more?” It was paid three more !!!
- So they took it apart for parts !!!

[Sterlya]

Rate of fire 10 rounds per minute. Taking into account the mentality of the Lithuanians. 2 rounds per minute.
In short, only fear remains. got these students.
Where do they find such "presidents"? Or the world went crazy, Or we became adults

[MIKHAN]

According to the representative of the department, “sixteen of them will be put into service with the Lithuanian army, two will be used for training, three for spare parts.”

Everything is clear ....! One two three .. get the fleas!

[marlin1203]

I don’t get it. Msta-S: ZOF45 high-explosive fragmentation shells are fired at a range of 24 m. The firing range of the ZOF700 active-reactive shells reaches 61 m. There is also the possibility of firing cluster shells containing 28 anti-tank submunitions. The firing range of such shells is 900 m. And this German prodigy spits 42 km with an ordinary projectile and 26 km with a missile. That is, it beats farther with a conventional projectile than we are active-reactive? Is that so? And they tell us about the strength of our weapons ... maybe I don’t understand something. Msta-S is the same classmate of the “German”, then why are we so inferior in terms of performance characteristics?

[dali]

Quote: marlin1203

And this German prodigy spits 35 km with an ordinary projectile and 60 km with a missile.

1) I wonder where the information comes from? But I found:
Firing range, km with standard ammunition - 30 km.,
active reactive over 41 km

2) We also made a self-propelled howitzer Msta-SM with the same characteristics ... but we decided to make the Coalition-SV, which is better than anything, and as I understand it, they have already adopted it.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Dali

decided to make the Coalition-SV, which is in every way better, and as I understand it, already adopted.

That you hurried a little

[marlin1203]

Information from the text of the publication. But the "Coalition" in service with the troops is not yet known and when it will be unknown. So we’ll beat off from the adversary than we are, but there is a Msta-S with the above characteristics ... such things ..

[infantryman2020]

Unfortunately, 2C3 Acacia is still full. And this is only 17 km and a relatively low combat rate of fire. And in some places there is also 2C1 Gvozdika (15,3 km and relatively low projectile power).

[Alf]

Quote: Dali

Quote: marlin1203
And this German prodigy spits 35 km with an ordinary projectile and 60 km with a missile.
1) I wonder where the information comes from? But I found:
Firing range, km with standard ammunition - 30 km.,
active reactive over 41 km
2) We also made a self-propelled howitzer Msta-SM with the same characteristics ... but we decided to make the Coalition-SV, which is better than anything, and as I understand it, they have already adopted it.

Add my dime. When firing APC at the 2000th projectile spread reaches 1 (ONE) kilometer, which can be called "Shooting towards the target." Therefore, there is a shell, but it is not supplied to the BC.

[k_ply]

Those. as the "first snow" of ballistic marks of the NATO artillery barrels with a length of 39 (155 / L39) calibers (klb.) and 52 klb. the new standard (155/52), and the domestic 152/47 (2С19 Msta-S) and 152/28 (2С3 Acacia), while the characteristics of 152/47 reached 155/39, because the West did not force the transition to 155/52 , and over the ocean they froze the Cruzader program and are content with M109A6 HIP and A7 PIM. The race will begin after the adoption of 2C35 Coalition-SV. There are also non-standardized in NATO caliber 155/45 and French 155/40. Based on this, and study the performance characteristics of howitzers.

[k_ply]

Quote: marlin1203

That is, it beats farther with a conventional projectile than we are active-reactive? Is that so? And they tell us about the strength of our weapons ... maybe I don’t understand something. Msta-S is the same classmate of the “German”, then why are we so inferior in terms of performance characteristics?

How everything is launched on topwar!
The domestic caliber 152/28 (2C3 Acacia) was superior to the American 155/23 base self-propelled guns M109, but not the M109A1 and subsequent modifications of the standard 155 / L39, caliber 152/47 only leveled the capabilities of Msta-S with the NATO self-propelled guns 155/39.
Classmates-peers 2C19 Msta-S (152/47) are self-propelled guns such as M109A6 and British AS-90 (both standards 155/39), AUF.1 GCT (155/40, France), G6 (155/45, South Africa ), but not later PzH-2000 (155/52) with a difference of almost 10 years. Whose fault is it that to this day 2C19 has missed a number of upgrades (2C19M), including to the 2C33 level?

[Leviton]

three for parts ... cool ... but not 16? after training, spare parts will be required ....

[Vladimirets]

Quote: LevITon

three for parts ..

But just spare parts are not fate to buy?

[Leviton]

Quote: Vladimirets

But just spare parts are not fate to buy?

It’s difficult .. hell knows where this "zagagulin" stood .....

[Bombardier]

Quote: LevITon

three for parts ... cool ... but not 16? after training, spare parts will be required ....

Somewhere, I read reviews about these things (in the first person it’s more than a soldier) - he did not praise them, from the point of view of reliability - the meaning is this - a day on firing, three under repair.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Bombardier

day on the shooting, three under repair.

And the Lithuanian army will not last longer than one day, despite the assurances of their leadership about 1 month of autonomous defense in anticipation of NATO assistance.

[ROD VDVshny]

I don’t know how many proud little mongrels of cannons, tanks and airplanes have, but the fact that my first battalion commander (commander of the 2nd SDB of the Alytus PDP, Guards Captain Alexander R, rest in peace to him) in Kaunas alone killed the whole tavern, I know for sure. And left unscathed.
And on Alytus weekdays in lieutenant youth I remember that if there are fewer labuses than 1:10, then there will definitely not be a fight. Regularly bounced in the back, something like "..kurvas bl ... dos parachutistas landing ..."but you turn around - pretended -" I'm not here
Let's figure it out ... I think so

[Das Boot]

Quote: PANEL VDVshny

in Kaunas alone the whole pub was dead

I didn’t catch any connection between the dreadful cababies and PzH 2000.

[Altona]

Quote: PANEL VDVshny

And on Alytus weekdays in lieutenant youth I remember that if there are fewer labuses than 1:10, then there will definitely not be a fight. Regularly barked in the back, something like ".. curvas bl ... dos parachutistas desantas ..", but if you turn around - they pretended - "I'm not here to do things"

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The proletarians are no longer enthusiastic about the "allied" American troops — they don’t do it in taverns, they also fuck sluts for free ... The business with the "allies" didn’t work, the Americans don’t pay, and you can’t judge them — they put the bolt all over the American court. .. Imagine a convicted “ally” in a Lithuanian prison — all the military, political, financial power of the United States will slam Lithuania like an insect ... Therefore, the locals themselves are chasing this army out of taverns ... Yes, by the way, I went too far with whores, soldiers freedom among themselves on the benches suck ..

[VP]

Three for parts is how?
Creepy secondhand looks like.

[Altona]

Quote: VP

Three for parts is how?
Creepy secondhand looks like.

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Boar donor for the rest of the equipment ...

[Wedmak]

Three for parts, how is it? Just a spare part kit is not supplied?

[tomket]

Quote: Wedmak

Three for parts, how is it? Just a spare part kit is not supplied?

With spare parts in the West, the campaign is generally a disaster. Even during the war with Libya, the practice of repairing the British "Typhoons" due to cannibalism was practiced. What is the reason for this approach is unknown ....

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: tomket

Even during the war with Libya, the repair of the British "Typhoons" was practiced due to cannibalism. What is the reason for this approach is unknown ....

In Germany, I also read about the fact that typhoons dismantle Eurofighters in order to support other eurofighters. In general, it seems to me from greed. What is the problem of buying fewer fighters, and for the money saved, buying spare parts for future use, so to speak?

[Krio]

It is more profitable for the manufacturer to sell the whole thing than for spare parts. In the First World War, such a problem was with the Renault FT tank. 10 percent of the fleet was pulled out for spare parts because Renault did not produce spare parts.

[wasjasibirjac]

Quote: tomket

Quote: Wedmak

Three for parts, how is it? Just a spare part kit is not supplied?

With spare parts in the West, the campaign is generally a disaster. Even during the war with Libya, the practice of repairing the British "Typhoons" due to cannibalism was practiced. What is the reason for this approach is unknown ....

Apocalypse. plants captured by zombies?

[Das Boot]

Quote: tomket

With spare parts in the West, the campaign is generally a disaster.

Yes, practice norms. Cheetah ZSU Germans also sold it to Brazilians - 37 combat-ready, 3 for dismantling + 50 containers with spare parts.

[SAM 5]

Just a spare part kit is not supplied?

Fuck the Chinese will order.

[Das Boot]

Quote: Wedmak

Three for parts, how is it? Just a spare part kit is not supplied?

supplied. In sealed containers. Three full-fledged machines are indicated in the contract for utilitarian purposes. What is not clear, then? The practice is generally accepted.

[opus]

Quote: Wedmak

ri for parts, how is it? Just a spare part kit is not supplied?

production discontinued.
In my opinion, the last shipment was at 2009 under the joint project of Consorzio Iveco-Oto Melara and KMW.
The line is mothballed.
The Bundeswehr seems to have 185. Surplus.
153 of these self-propelled guns upgraded to the PzH 2000 A1 level, with the rest of 31 transferred to storage (from where the systems for Croatia and Lithuania will be taken, another installation was decommissioned).


therefore, they sell 16 like this + 3 for spare parts, and not A1, but old women

Germans themselves do not have much: the 81 installation is active (consisting of four active artillery divisions + 9 training systems). They are trying to reanimate in order to bring the number of active to 122

[azbukin77]

It's time to give up, I see no other way.

[bmv04636]

Then I hope to run sprats with plywood self-propelled guns, otherwise there is someone to learn from
(Two German magazines, Kontraste and Report Mainz, had excerpts from the Bundeswehr internal report on the progress of the NATO Allied Rapid Reaction Force exercises. The report notes that during the exercises, a shortage of weapons from the German NATO unit was revealed. RIA Novosti reports.
The speaker reports that instead of the machine guns of the GTK Boxer armored personnel carriers, painted sticks were used. Quote from Report Mainz magazine:
During exercises in Norway, instead of machine-gun barrels, painted broomsticks were installed on the GTK Boxer armored personnel carrier, since machine-gun barrels were not available)

[Das Boot]

Quote: bmv04636

This is told by RIA Novosti.
The speaker reports that instead of the machine guns of the GTK Boxer armored personnel carriers, painted sticks were used.

I got this button accordion already.

[classik46]

I kind of heard that the performance characteristics of them were lost because the too expensive self-propelled guns.
Perhaps the old canned vaparite as unnecessary.

[Das Boot]

Quote: classik46

TTX on them is lost because it is too expensive self-propelled guns.

it's like? on a Rolls-Royce in this case, the TTX can finally be stored under the Queen’s pillow ...

[Sergey-72]

Division 2 battery? The Germans, too, began to raft the scrap, parashenko on the sidelines of the UN lips bite past him such a breakthrough (freebie, 3 units for spare parts) passed.

[ML-334]

Well, this powerful weapon will give Moska even greater courage to bark at the Elephant.

[DenZ]

Now they will bark with foam at the mouth, and not as before, just yapping.

[kil 31]

Just like in a newspaper advertisement about cars. Selling a car on the go without documents (for parts)

[Lt. Air Force stock]

I looked at Wikipedia to look at the Lithuanian army, in general among the Baltic countries they have the most powerful army, when compared with Latvia and Estonia:
"As of 2011, the military budget of Lithuania amounted to 360 million US dollars, the total number of armed forces was 10,64 thousand. Personnel military personnel, 6700 reservists, another 14,6 thousand served as part of other militias.

ground forces numbered 8,2 thousand troops (one quick reaction brigade, two motorized infantry battalions, two mechanized battalions, one engineer battalion, one military police battalion, one training regiment and several territorial defense units), 187 M113XN armored personnel carriers were in service; 1 BRDM-10; 2 133-mm field artillery guns; 105 61 mm mortar, up to 120 recoilless 100 mm Carl Gustaf guns, 84 ATGMs, 65 anti-aircraft guns and 18 man-portable air defense systems RBS-20, as well as over 70 anti-tank grenade launchers of various types.
The air force consisted of 980 troops (three air bases and five squadrons), two L-39ZA aircraft, five transport aircraft (two L-410 and three C-27J) and nine Mi-8 transport helicopters.
naval forces numbered 530 people, one small anti-submarine ship “Project 1124M”, three Danish Fluvefisken class patrol ships (P11 Zhemaitis, P12 Dzukas, P14 Aukšaitis), one Norwegian Storm patrol boat of class (P32 Skalvis), three other types of patrol boats, two English-built Lindau minesweepers (M53 and M54), one Norwegian-built mine-sweeping headquarters ship (Jotvingis), one hydrographic vessel and one tugboat.
coast guard - 540 people and three patrol boats (N21, N22 and N23).
In November 2013, a representative of the Department of Strategic Communication of the Lithuanian Army, Colonel-Lieutenant Arturas Jasinskas, said that in the event of an attack, the Lithuanian army "is able to wage an asymmetric war for a month and wait for help from the allies."
The ground army is quite numerous, given the small country, the Navy, too, but the Air Force is a shame, there is not a single normal fighter. And there is no air defense system as such.

[Sars]

And what are you laughing about "spare parts"? We have the same AREM "Armata" as a warehouse of spare parts advertise!

[arane]

Quote: SarS

And what are you laughing about "spare parts"? We have the same AREM "Armata" as a warehouse of spare parts advertise!

Armata is a platform! What is your ARV? And what should be there?

[Maksus]

Three Cancer Howitzers for Parts ??? The Lithuanian army seems to have more money than the Bundeswehr. These self-propelled guns are incredibly expensive in themselves, but buy three pieces for parts? And if there aren’t enough spare parts, you can buy another one, so what?

[aviator1913]

What what, but the Germans came up with good sau. Friends from the German army spoke very forestly about her.

[Roman 1977]

The number of Lithuanian army 7860 people, of which 4450-territorial defense units, about 80000 reservists
Ground forces 3 500 people regular units, 4450 territorial defense units
No tanks
210 US BTR M-113 (154 - M113A1 and 200 - M113A2 shipped from Germany in the period from 2000 to 2006).

10 MT-LB (delivered from Poland on 2000)
200 American Hummers
288 English Land Rover Defender
12 Japanese Toyota Land Cruiser
Artillery:
54 105-mm American howitzers of the Second World War, M-101 (72 shipped from Denmark in 2002, 18 used as "donors")

42 120-mm M1064 self-propelled mortars (delivered from Germany in 2005-2006)
20 120-mm BM 2B11 (delivered from Bulgaria in 1999 year)
24 120-mm BM M1982 (delivered from Romania in 2008 year)
11 120-mm Soviet mortars of the Great Patriotic War M38 / 43
12 120-mm Finnish BM M / 41D-Finnish copy of our arr. 1938 of the year.
60-mm mortars: American M-19, Bulgarian М60, Polish LM-60
Anti-tank weapons:
40 US ATGM FGM-148 Javelin

100 Swedish 90-mm BO Pvpj 1110
Swedish RPGs Carl Gustav and AT-4
Air Defense:
21 Swedish RBS-70 MANPADS (of which 5 are used for training)
8 American FIM-92 Stinger
Expected delivery of 25 Polish "Thunder" MANPADS

Air force xnum man
1 Czech Aero L-39ZA Albatros. The second crashed 11 August 2011, after a collision with the French Mirage 2000C. "Frenchman" was not injured.

3 Italian transport Alenia C-27J Spartan
Czech Let L-2 Turbolet 410, donated by Germany from the NNA GDR arsenals
1 An-2
1 Yak-18T
6 Mi-8
3 French Eurocopter AS365 Dauphin
Navy-600 man

1 Norwegian minelayer type Vidar, 1977 built, transferred to 2006, used as a staff and flagship
3 Danish patrol Flyvefisken with artillery weapons (1985, 1988 and 1993's built) is the most modern fleet ships.
1 Norwegian Storm guard, 1966, built-in 2001
2 German minesweeper Lindau, 1957 built, transferred to 1999 and 2001. respectively
2 English minesweeper type hunt 1982 built in 2011

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Novel 1977

Air Defense:
21 Swedish RBS-70 MANPADS (of which 5 are used for training)
8 American FIM-92 Stinger
Expected delivery of 25 Polish "Thunder" MANPADS

There was not enough money for Patriot Pac-3 or MEADS. It’s not at all clear how they are building their army. No air force, no air defense, no electronic warfare systems. This means that with a potential attack, all of their ground forces will be quickly destroyed, guerrilla warfare will not help either, since EW will jam communications and coordinate ground operations will be impossible quickly.

[Das Boot]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

So with a potential attack, all of their ground forces will be quickly destroyed, guerrilla warfare will not help either

and the defense doctrine of the NATO periphery does not provide for deterring the aggressor on the external border. We would like to build the Grybauskaite Line. Probably, this fence-trench schizoidization of all has already passed, except for the hoax.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

colonel lieutenant Arturas Jasinskas said that in the event of an attack, the Lithuanian army "is able to wage an asymmetric war for a month and wait for help from the allies."

What an exotic military rank!
Yes, they will soon even be sleeping in German helmets.
In general, these self-propelled guns are not bad. Well, let them have 16 pieces for complacency. Will there be enough money for maintenance, operation, firing, etc.?

[Alf]

Quote: x.andvlad

What an exotic military rank!

Just a crooked translation. The rank of "Colonel-Lieutenant" in the armies of English-speaking countries corresponds to the rank of "Lieutenant Colonel" in the Russian-Soviet-Russian armed forces.
Just like "Rear Admiral or Rear Admiral" is the "Vice Admiral" in our fleet.

[cuzmin.mihail2013]

Where did the money come from, Zin? Perhaps the Germans sold scrap metal at a price. Not otherwise than, the Germans liberate boxes and hangars for the places of residence of emigrants. I wonder what else put up for sale?

[ssn18]

Yes, let them buy, at least it will be something to be proud of.
There is no money in the budget.

[BOB044]

In what direction are they going to fire. Stupid, as they were swineherds, so they remained. Warriors damn it. Better themselves brains in the clinic inserted. There would be more sense.

[Reserve buildbat]

Three for parts. In reality, in a couple of months there will be 3 combat, 2 for training and 16 for spare parts

[fridge]

For Russia, this is not a threat, but if for Latvia or Estonia, then this is armageddon. Maybe the place for fishing for sprats will begin to share.

[a-cola]

They will put them in the center of Lithuania and will cover their entire territory))) By the way, these self-propelled guns should quickly leave the firing site to avoid covering. I wonder where? To Latvia?)))

[_my opinion]

According to the representative of the department, “sixteen of them will be put into service with the Lithuanian army, two will be used for training, three for spare parts.”

in this manner, the entire military budget of this ... country is exhausted by this acquisition

[starshina pv]

buy with crews?

[Belarus]

three for parts

My question is: why buy 3 pieces for parts, isn’t it easier to buy parts themselves ??? Or is it cheaper for Lithuanians to buy self-propelled guns than spare parts? It turns out that the operation of the self-propelled guns themselves is designed for a short time ??? After all, if for the long term these self-propelled guns will be in the Lithuanian army, is it logical to conclude contracts for the supply of s / h for self-propelled guns ?? !!

Correct me if I am wrong!

[Retvizan 8]

Why is it all a country in which there are less than three million people? Judging by the description of their aircraft, they are not being pulled to conduct full-fledged military operations. Hold out a month is also nonsense.
One conclusion suggests itself: Dalia bends or bends before the owners ...
They would have bought a vigorous bomb, put it in a barn and called themselves a nuclear power!

[duchy]

Tell me, what vegetable of Lithuania is such a device ??? Yes, even three things ?? They will bullet into whom, and expensive shells , then diapers are not enough.

[vladimirw]

Laughing small, judging by the TTX serious weapon

[roskot]

And who should protect the Lithuanian swamps? Only self-propelled guns with a range of destruction of thirty km. Otherwise it is impossible.

[Das Boot]

three and a half years ago, there was an article on VO about this panzer. Of course, not in the context of its acquisition by Lithuania. The comments respectfully paid tribute to German technical thought, etc. Today, a chip about

Quote: SS68SS

Good targets

and others

Quote: figvam

Future trophies.

The rattles can be manipulated once

[kplayer]

It somehow didn’t even come to mind that they were buying new ones, used ones - definitely, 21 units, 3 would be put in storage (in reserve), literally no one would rush to dismantle parts right away, only as needed. So do all countries buying a B / U fleet of military vehicles, also Finland (Leo-2).

[Das Boot]

Quote: kplayer

It somehow didn’t even come to mind that they were buying new ones, used / uniquely

yes pepper is clear. No one is hiding. The secondary arms market also has a good turnover. News?

[kplayer]

It’s also clear, it’s not possible for others to read between the lines. Not yet carried out about "3 pcs. For parts", no? And he tells me about the secondary market!

[Denis DV]

ABOUT! Well, finally in Lithuania at the parade they will show something serious

[afrikanez]

According to the representative of the department, “sixteen of them will be put into service of the Lithuanian army, two will be used for training, three for spare parts”

Maybe the opposite is true, 16 for spare parts, 3 for pedestals in the form of monuments and 2 for scrap. Here is the real deal.

[Das Boot]

Quote: afrikanez

Maybe the opposite is true, 16 for spare parts, 3 for pedestals in the form of monuments and 2 for scrap. Here is the real deal.

and you, sorry, didn’t start your labor biography at car showdowns? A similar approach ...

[aviator1913]

Not comments, but a contest of stinging cries of some sort.

Again the same thing, instead of analyzing the article, "Maybe the place to fish for sprats will begin to be shared" and similar comments prevail to him, as in cheap public places of "classmates" comments ...

[wandlitz]

I, with my sapper thinking, think so that howitzers are designed to remotely destroy the enemy, i.e. for the offensive. Then, kakgo h..rena Baltic states dress up in the clothes of potential "defense"?

[Das Boot]

Quote: wandlitz

howitzers are designed to destroy the enemy remotely, i.e. for the offensive.

yeah well ???

[msm]

German self-propelled guns "Panzergaubitze-2000"

Well, nemchura has always been at the forefront in military technology. But, all the same, this did not save them in the past, nor will it save in the future!

[lensoviet2014]

Have you bought? And there is something, and most importantly why? For example, you need to write off something. But you need to do it correctly. We will make a program of assistance to "partners" from eastern Europe. We give credit (not officially), we transport this "junk" to children who have not played enough in the war (self-propelled guns, well, there are a couple of boxes of shells). They claim that they bought it all (respect to the guys from Germany, they’re buying from them), and wow ... la

[Homegoblin]

Sorry, geographically certainly not correct, but wildly reminded one song, widely known in narrow circles ...

[Wolka]

good shooting, but the deal should be prevented by strengthening the trading imbargo of litas ...

[mamont5]

Quote: jarome

They may not taste that little Lithuania is not going to fight with us alone. On the other side there will be many other states that are also arming themselves.

So what? Now do we cry about this? Or shake with fear? Everything necessary for reflection is being done. Lithuania, like all the other new NATO members, is not a rival. Yes, and all of Europe has "subsided" by now, incl. all their “preparation” is a complete show-window and washing of “grandmas”.