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Kuchma proposes not to leave the conflict in the Donbas "frozen"

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Leonid Kuchma, representing Ukraine in the format of 4-side consultations in the Minsk Group, said that the conflict in the Donbass can not be translated into a frozen format. This Kuchma told in an interview with Belarusian journalists. His statement leads RIA News:


If we bring it to a logical conclusion, rather than throwing halfway somewhere, if the world, the European Union, Russia, America and Ukraine are not convinced that yes, we have achieved peace in Ukraine, until then the efforts of the world community cannot be stopped. We know it on our own stories. I often refer to the post-Soviet experience. We have many hot spots - Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Karabakh. No conflict has yet ended. Because they threw halfway. People in those regions suffer from it. A frozen conflict is a terrible conflict. It does not allow people to develop normally.


At the same time, Kuchma said that he is a big optimist and expects that the conflict will finally end, but at the same time he wondered: "when will it end?"

Kuchma proposes not to leave the conflict in the Donbas "frozen"


At the same time, Kuchma, for some reason, did not directly touch on the theme of the Minsk agreements, where, in general, all the measures that should lead to the end of the civil war in Ukraine are laid out on the shelves, the main thing is to take these measures. And he didn’t touch, so then he would have to answer questions about why the Ukrainian authorities do not honor their obligations and do not fulfill several points of agreement at once: on lifting the economic blockade from Donbass, on exchanging prisoners, on withdrawing weapons and so on d.
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  1. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 29 September 2015 07: 02 New
    +9
    Often I read the opinions of former Western political and government leaders. It seems that with the resignation of them they have sound thoughts. Well, at least so. Better late than never. This does not apply to this figure. Is that air harmful in Ukraine?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 29 September 2015 07: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      I often read the opinions of former political and state figures the west.... This does not apply to this figure.
      So he is not from the West lol
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 29 September 2015 07: 09 New
        +3
        laughing
        Quote: Nagan
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        I often read the opinions of former political and state figures the west.... This does not apply to this figure.
        So he is not from the West lol

        Like this? How not from the West? Ukraine tse Europa. lol
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 07: 15 New
          +5
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          Like this? How not from the West? Ukraine tse Europa.

          Another thing is surprising - how many bastards the Communist Party has plucked out of itself !!!
          Kravchuk, Kuchma, Farion, Gaidar, Chubais, Gref, Poroshenko and other bastards ...
          1. Andrea
            Andrea 29 September 2015 07: 24 New
            +5
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Another thing is surprising - how many bastards the Communist Party has plucked out of itself !!!
            Kravchuk, Kuchma, Farion, Gaidar, Chubais, Gref, Poroshenko and other bastards ...
            The Communist Party has nothing to do with it. Everyone knows that shit always pops up. Therefore, power structures abound with scoundrels, scammers and thieves. This is the law of nature, or its mistake. what .
            We'll have to come to terms and correct them as much as we can.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 29 September 2015 07: 33 New
              +2
              Quote: Andrea
              We'll have to come to terms and correct them as much as we can.

              As far as strength is not enough. Only if in Stalin's way, otherwise the system does not work. I really don’t know - Nagan - my brothers were doing it.yes
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 07: 40 New
              -1
              Quote: Andrea
              The Communist Party has nothing to do with it. Everything is known, the shit always pops up.

              But what about Nazi Germany in the genocide of nations or not?
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 08: 21 New
                -1
                Judging by the minuses, people began to tear patterns. winked

                Guys, don’t negate me, but you won’t stomp the gaps in the templates, you have to change the worldview. wink
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 29 September 2015 07: 27 New
            +5
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Another thing is surprising - how many bastards the Communist Party has plucked out of itself !!!
            Kravchuk, Kuchma, Farion, Gaidar, Chubais, Gref, Poroshenko and other bastards ...

            Hunchback with his "perestroika workers" forgot to mention. Yes, and EBN sat in the Central Committee.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 07: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: Nagan
              Hunchback with his "perestroika workers" forgot to mention. Yes, and EBN sat in the Central Committee.

              Their name is Legion, do not list all by name / surname ...
          3. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 29 September 2015 07: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Another thing is surprising - how many bastards the Communist Party has plucked out of itself !!!
            Kravchuk, Kuchma, Farion, Gaidar, Chubais, Gref, Poroshenko and other bastards ...

            And how many worthy- Putin, Shoigu, Lavrov, Churov, continue to continue.?
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 07: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Kos_kalinki9
              And how many worthy- Putin, Shoigu, Lavrov, Churov, continue to continue.?

              As my dead mother said: the good lies, the bad runs far.
              This is a matter of principle. Compare with the same Britain or the USA. Do they have a lot of Communist ruling parties?
          4. Passer
            Passer 29 September 2015 07: 30 New
            +6
            Quote: VseDoFeNi

            Another thing is surprising - how many bastards the Communist Party has plucked out of itself !!!
            Kravchuk, Kuchma, Farion, Gaidar, Chubais, Gref, Poroshenko and other bastards ...

            And where does the Communist Party? The percentage of moral freaks in any party is high, and the ruling and even more so. Or do you think that in "United Russia" all the saints gathered. Bored, do not sleep at night - think of Russia?
            Golden You are a man Yuri Venediktovich! hi
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 07: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: Passer
              And where does the Communist Party?

              Moreover, very many of her, the Communist Party, idealize. Like its members - the Communists.
              1. Kos_kalinki9
                Kos_kalinki9 29 September 2015 07: 55 New
                +3
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Quote: Passer
                And where does the Communist Party?

                Moreover, very many of her, the Communist Party, idealize. Like its members - the Communists.

                Yes, no one idealizes her. Adaptives were enough and enough at all times and in all parties. You are only ready to shake “dirty” linen.
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 08: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kos_kalinki9
                  Yes, no one idealizes her.

                  Check out my comments and their answers, including cons. wink

                  Do you know that today in FOK there is a free pool twice a week for non-working pensioners?
                  1. Passer
                    Passer 29 September 2015 08: 30 New
                    +2
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi

                    Do you know that today in FOK there is a free pool twice a week for non-working pensioners?

                    But is there no free tennis court or ski slope for non-working pensioners there?
                    As far as I noticed, the majority of pensioners turn to the category of unemployed when they no longer think about the pool.
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 08: 51 New
                      0
                      Quote: Passer
                      But is there no free tennis court or ski slope for non-working pensioners there?
                      As far as I noticed, the majority of pensioners turn to the category of unemployed when they no longer think about the pool.

                      Is it wrong guys? (with)

              2. Passer
                Passer 29 September 2015 08: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: VseDoFeNi

                Moreover, very many of her, the Communist Party, idealize. Like its members - the Communists.

                Do you propose idealizing Abramovich, Potanin, Usmanov and others like them?
                I do not idealize the CPSU, but the Communists at least had an idea. You can provide some kind of idea in return, except for: chopping up more dough, and then spending it, but who couldn’t, he’s a loser. Then please, a flag in your hands, and lead the country into a brighter future.
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 08: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: Passer
                  Do you propose idealizing Abramovich, Potanin, Usmanov and others like them?

                  This is what you offer.

                  Quote: Passer
                  I do not idealize the CPSU, but the Communists at least had an idea.

                  Which did not stop them TWICE in the last century to destroy our country.

                  Take care of Russia !!!
                  1. Passer
                    Passer 29 September 2015 09: 16 New
                    +2
                    [quote = VseDoFeNi] [quote = Passer-by] Do you propose to idealize Abramovich, Potanin, Usmanov and others like them? [/ quote]
                    This is what you offer.
                    [/ Quote]
                    Suggest your option.


                    [quote = Passer-by] I do not idealize the CPSU, but the Communists at least had an idea. [/ quote]
                    Which did not stop them TWICE in the last century to destroy our country.
                    [/ Quote]
                    I won’t even comment. I did not know that the Communists had overthrown the king and ruined the country. Thank you for enlightening.
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 19: 54 New
                      0
                      Quote: Passer
                      Suggest your option.

                      Build a society of justice without isms and craters.
    2. Esso
      Esso 29 September 2015 11: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      Often I read the opinions of former Western political and government leaders. It seems that with the resignation of them they have sound thoughts. Well, at least so. Better late than never. This does not apply to this figure. Is that air harmful in Ukraine?

      Well, duck in the West while they are in power, they will say what the powerful and interested people tell them, if they are truth, they will fly out of work, but when you can say what you think in retirement!
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 29 September 2015 11: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Another thing is surprising - how many bastards the Communist Party has plucked out of itself !!!
        Kravchuk, Kuchma, Farion, Gaidar, Chubais, Gref, Poroshenko and other bastards ...

        This does not surprise me at all. The Communist Party was the center of power and everyone, including opponents, sought to go there. As soon as they privatized everything, the Communist Party ended. What party members are they if at the first opportunity they abandoned its ideology. This, in my opinion, is the logic of Stalin and his words about the permanent revolution. Those. its opponents are in any power, and with any weakness they will overwhelm it, which happened. This is the main lesson.
  2. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 29 September 2015 07: 02 New
    +4
    Give Kuchma a karamultuk and send it to the Donbass for a day, I think that's enough .... fucking strategist!
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 07: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      Give Kuchma a karamultuk and send it to the Donbass for a day, I think that's enough .... fucking strategist!

      Better rope, soap and stool to save yourself from the people.
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    3. Good me
      Good me 29 September 2015 07: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      Give Kuchma a karamultuk and send it to the Donbass for a day, I think that's enough .... fucking strategist!

      In one, we can agree with him ...
      We have many hot spots - Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Karabakh. Not a single conflict has yet ended. Because they threw halfway. People in those regions suffer from this. A frozen conflict is a terrible conflict. It does not allow people to develop normally.


      And also, besides everything, the war in the Donbass is an even more terrible conflict than those listed, because territorially, the republics have not reached their pre-war administrative borders.
      And this, gives confidence that everything is far from decided ...
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 07: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Good I
        In one, we can agree with him ...

        It is much more important to realize HOW these conflicts arose and WHY ???

        SAVE YOUR COUNTRY FROM DESTRUCTION !!!
  3. silver169
    silver169 29 September 2015 07: 04 New
    +4
    And why is this ch.m.o (kuchma) crawled out of naphthalene?
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 September 2015 07: 05 New
    +4
    A frozen conflict is a terrible conflict. It does not allow people to develop normally.


    Well, just the same, almost a friend of truth, on the whole planet.
    The same unfinished, in due time, stolen.
  5. Wolka
    Wolka 29 September 2015 07: 05 New
    +3
    Kuchma is a typical werewolf and a freeloader, so who else but he does not need to spoil those who really want to bring the situation to peace ...
  6. meriem1
    meriem1 29 September 2015 07: 09 New
    +2
    Kuchma is a man with great conceit. What do you want from him ??? Such is the "elite" there. And everyone is worth each. Rather, the right people would wake up. It's time to sweep the riffraff. Although the people have precisely those at the head of the state that they deserve.
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    2. Good me
      Good me 29 September 2015 07: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: meriem1
      Kuchma is a man with great conceit. What do you want from him ??? Such is the "elite" there. And everyone is worth each.

      "Where he was born, there he fit." This is about people like Kuchma and not really. SUCH, it seems, would "take root" anywhere.

      It is enough to carefully read his biography.
  7. sv68
    sv68 29 September 2015 07: 10 New
    +2
    Is this what he shows, “they turned me on such a member”? and a hypocrite.
  8. vladimirw
    vladimirw 29 September 2015 07: 12 New
    +5
    Yes, such "politicians" as this former one provoked this conflict with their actions and inaction, allowed Bendera and the great dill nation, which the Black Sea dug up, to be reborn
  9. Decathlon
    Decathlon 29 September 2015 07: 24 New
    +3
    "... Kuchma said he is a great optimist ..."
    "The Thought Magazine estimated the personal fortune of former President Leonid Kuchma at $ 1,5 billion." In this situation, I would also be an "optimist" ... recourse
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 29 September 2015 07: 59 New
      -2
      Quote: Decathlon
      In this situation, I would also be an "optimist" ... recourse

      Do you think that someone who has something to lose might be an optimist? smile
  10. 1536
    1536 29 September 2015 07: 26 New
    +1
    Ukrainians are holding us for fools.
  11. Sloavaros
    Sloavaros 29 September 2015 07: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: vladimirw
    Yes, such "politicians" as this former one provoked this conflict with their actions and inaction, allowed Bendera and the great dill nation, which the Black Sea dug up, to be reborn

    I agree with your assessment in full. And now he has a farce and not only him.
  12. fif21
    fif21 29 September 2015 07: 29 New
    +1
    recourse “Conflict” in the Donbass should be dealt with by people who really have power, and not retired clowns. And the signatures under the Minsk agreement should be Poroshenko and Yaytsenyukha, then it would be someone to answer for their implementation.
  13. Riv
    Riv 29 September 2015 07: 30 New
    0
    And I would suggest freezing the Ukrainian presidents. But he blurted out something publicly - and into liquid nitrogen. Forever. Of course, start with Kuchma and get to Poroshenko. Yanukovych not to forget. Statues put on Independence Square.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 29 September 2015 07: 47 New
    +3
    A little annoying is the constant emergence of former Presidents of Ukraine on the “political Olympus” and their confidence that they represent the people of this country. Without even having the status of “ambassador” and the right to sign, they go to the Donbass agree, constantly comment on something.
    But in fact - these are the roots of the modern crisis of Ukraine, people who built a system of nepotism and kickbacks ..............
  15. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 29 September 2015 07: 58 New
    0
    They (ex-condoms) apparently hope to return. They will think: "At least I would not drink."
  16. voronbel53
    voronbel53 29 September 2015 08: 20 New
    0
    Kuchma is still that old fox, in words a continuous guardian about the future of Ukraine, about the Donbass. Although he did not say anything about the Minsk talks themselves, where he was directly involved and where everything is clearly written, what and how to do, everything is in full view. And that, namely, in Kiev, they actually do nothing and in every possible way impede the process of execution - they are just looking for the guilty again, and there is no need to think much about who it will be. In general, as always, he says one thing, thinks another, and does the third. Only such unprincipled personalities and werewolves like Kuchma manage to stay afloat in all modes and even broadcast something to the public ...
  17. Million
    Million 29 September 2015 08: 20 New
    0
    Kuchma has long gone to the dustbin of history, but the owners have so far decided to use as a talking head
  18. zombiunian
    zombiunian 29 September 2015 09: 05 New
    0
    this donkey feels the dribbling of his dough
  19. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 29 September 2015 09: 28 New
    0
    Kuchma to the count! Strangler, tormentor, robber of people! The shameful wolf!
  20. verb
    verb 29 September 2015 09: 50 New
    0
    But it’s interesting: why, in the photo, he decided to tear off the hopak. The impression is that he’s going to dance now. And let him dance somewhere there, in Germany, he wouldn’t get into politics. And he already broke enough firewood.
  21. roskot
    roskot 29 September 2015 10: 55 New
    0
    He also noted that he started dancing - on the Minsk agreements. Kuchma was blown away. A bunch remained.
  22. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 29 September 2015 11: 08 New
    0
    Afraid of Kuchma.
    Oh, how afraid.
    For his rotten skin.
  23. 4ekist
    4ekist 29 September 2015 13: 17 New
    0
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Quote: Kos_kalinki9
    Like this? How not from the West? Ukraine tse Europa.

    Another thing is surprising - how many bastards the Communist Party has plucked out of itself !!!
    Kravchuk, Kuchma, Farion, Gaidar, Chubais, Gref, Poroshenko and other bastards ...

    The Communist Party has nothing to do with it. Just have a political forgiveness .. ki, they are like fleas, here and there. And Mr. Kuchma is a typical representative.