For the Russian tanks developed stabilizer on the electric drive

Designed for tanks an electromechanical stabilizer will allow the crew to rotate the turret and manipulate the gun in the "silent observation" mode, reports RIA News a message from the lead software engineer of the Signal Research Institute (included in Rostec), Oleg Kulikov.

“In the stabilizer of tank armament 2E58, the hydraulic drive is replaced by electric. This allows drastically - up to 10-15 times - to reduce the power consumption of the stabilizer and implement the so-called "silent observation" mode, when the gunner and tank commander can rotate the turret, raise and lower the gun, fire without starting the engines, only due to the tank battery operation. A version of this stabilizer is also being developed for the T-90MS, a new export version of the T-90.- told Kulikov.

According to the engineer, “the earlier 2E42 stabilizer installed on the T-72, T-80, T-90 production tanks consumes about 70 amps, so if you turn it on only from the onboard network, the tank battery will instantly sit down, therefore you need to turn on engines.

He noted that the new stabilizer “will radically reduce the cost of maintenance and fire safety in the tank, as it does not use working hydraulic fluid, which, when the hose is broken, floods the entire tank interior and may cause a fire.”

The 2E58 will be used mainly for the modernization of the T-72 tanks. "Currently, the stabilizer is being tested," - said the representative of the All-Russian Scientific Research Institute "Signal".

Comments

[tronin.maxim]

Hmm, such bells and whistles on our domestic cars (air conditioning, automatic transmission), something I turned down with fantasies, I want too much!

[SAG]

Yes, our tanks are simpler, more powerful and more reliable than our cars. We are waiting when they start selling Vesta and X-ray, and then we'll see.

[kocclissi]

Slowly moving to this:

[Smoked]

Or such an option :)

[UREC]

Great target!

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: SAG

Yes, our tanks are simpler, more powerful and more reliable than our cars.

As for "simpler", you are probably not a tanker. Have you ever seen an automatic loader in cars, or you have onboard planetary turning mechanisms and many other devices that are not in cars.
The tank is a very sophisticated military equipment.

[34 region]

And the electric drive is like a window regulator in a car !? Only more powerful. Enlighten how much energy will this drive eat? And what should be the power source? And most importantly, what is the budget for such developments? Maybe Serdyukov is resting?

[inkass_98]

Quote: SAG

Yes, our tanks are simpler, more powerful and more reliable than our cars.

Quote: tronin.maxim

yes to our domestic cars (air conditioning, automatic transmission)

Yes, you pulled up with your tears about the autogas. Have you been driving our cars for a long time? I took the last two from the salon (and not at the bazaar), skated on one for 5 years (replacing bulbs in the taillights and DMRV), and on the other I ride for 3,5 years (replacing head light bulbs and a rain sensor that turned off the relay for 20 rubles. ). Everything. There is air conditioning. I don't really need the automatic transmission. And yes, I'm waiting for the "Vesta" -universal or "Cross", in the complete set "Lux". Foreign cars have no more problems than our "basins", and prices differ dramatically.

[Starover_Z]

I am not a tankman, a troposphere communications operator and I am amazed !!!
If our tanks were one of the best before, (the cannon on the rollers seemed fixed on the target regardless of the movements and jumps of the tank), then what will happen next ?!

[roskot]

As a signalman, a signalman plus. And then, as they say, there will be more than any frills.

[Amurets]

Well, why are there bells and whistles for a long time only when they bring it? Especially air conditioning in the Arctic.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tronin.maxim

Hmm, such would be bells and whistles on our domestic cars (air conditioning, automatic transmission)

"Grant" is waiting for you!

[Persistent]

The main trick is that you don't need to start the engine when aiming at the target !!! Therefore it is called "Silent Guidance" !!!!!

[Anatole]

and very importantly "cold"

[Jan Ivanov]

USB charging

[ver_]

.... at our factories it is necessary to produce Gas -69, Moskvich 401 and Zaporozhets, everything else is forbidden - there will be no accidents and at once the desire to survive on the tracks will disappear ...

[Anatole]

I am committed to the owner of the gas-69a, an awesome rogue, and the design "iron" for me is a milestone of the era. The car is not for the general flow and dynamics, its own element in seeking direction and not the road.

[Fibrizio]

In less than 30 years

[Thompson]

Quote: tronin.maxim

Hmm, such bells and whistles on our domestic cars (air conditioning, automatic transmission), something I turned down with fantasies, I want too much!

So with their money and according to their orders we work out and immediately at the same time ourselves ..
Everything is more normal than we think

[Amurets]

This news is more interesting than the nonsense of the monkey Abama on the UN rostrum

[Hauptam]

It’s high time, the accuracy of shooting is significantly improved, and fire safety is higher, equipment is simpler.

[sv68]

author, read the article carefully, and please explain the carcass of someone who can be rotated in the tank, and how it will look ???

[Jan Ivanov]

Well, the girls have a ride. And look - this is 18+.

[Cat man null]

The electromechanical stabilizer developed for tanks will allow the crew to rotate the turret and to manipulate the carcass in silent monitoring mode, RIA Novosti reports a message from Oleg Kulikov, leading software engineer at the All-Russian Research Institute of the Signal (part of Rostec).

Correct the text .. not with a "carcass", but with a "gun" all the same ..

[lelikas]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Correct the text .. not with a "carcass", but with a "gun" all the same ..

But what if ? - Putin is manipulating the whole world - and the crews, for now, are only carcasses.

[Cat man null]

Quote: lelikas

But what if ? - Putin is manipulating the whole world - and the crews, for now, are only carcasses

Well, what a nafig .. schA special people who have not seen a tank or a stabilizer in their eyes will come running, and will begin to give this phrase "physical meaning" ..

By the way, the philosophical question is - and where is the tank?

[lelikas]

Quote: Cat Man Null

By the way, the philosophical question is - where is the carcass of the tank?

To be honest, when I read it, I thought about the carcass of the tank, do tankers have specific terms;), but when I got to the engine turned off, I realized - a typo.

[Cat man null]

Quote: lelikas

when reading, I thought about the tank carcass

In-in-in ...

So here: the tank has NO carcass

I saw it myself (s)

[sv68]

author, read the article carefully, and please explain the carcass of someone who can be rotated in the tank, and how it will look ???

[sv68]

author, read the article carefully, and please explain the carcass of someone who can be rotated in the tank, and how it will look ???

[nazar_0753]

The electromechanical stabilizer developed for tanks will allow the crew to rotate the turret and manipulate the carcass in the "silent observation" mode

Quote: sv68

author, read the article carefully, and please explain the carcass of someone who can be rotated in the tank, and how it will look ???

The carcass of Barack Husseinovich Obama, not otherwise

[Barakuda]

For the Russian tanks developed stabilizer on the electric drive

Is it NEWS, or what? Whether the author of the article has an ammeter itch. And what else can it be, hydraulic? I'm not a mechanic, correct. Cons in favor.

[Homo]

Quote: Barracuda

Is it NEWS, or what? Whether the author of the article has an ammeter itch. And what else can it be, hydraulic? I'm not a mechanic, correct. Cons in favor.

I don’t know, I don’t understand, I don’t understand, but still against it! Is everything normal with your head?

[SIvan]

Yes, hydraulic. Read to the end.

[family tree]

2E42-electro-hydraulic,
2E58-electromechanical, only a novelty, doesn’t go anywhere, developed in the 90s They say they improved, but they left 2E58, and something, here, something reminds me of a hydraulic cylinder, though, hardly

[Polkovodetz]

It turns out interesting. Here is a link to a one-year-old article, which is a reprint of an even earlier article from the Review of Army and Fleet magazine.
http://topwar.ru/59408-stabilizator-tankovogo-vooruzheniya-novogo-pokoleniya.htm
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It says that a prototype stabilizer is already being tested. And this article says that it is still in development. Inconsistency.

[Homo]

Quote: Polkovodetz

It says that a prototype stabilizer is already being tested. And this article says that it is still in development. Inconsistency.

Have you read the article carefully? "... According to the engineer," the earlier 2E42 stabilizer, installed on serial tanks T-72, T-80, T-90, consumes about 70 amperes, ... ". It is already there, but it is being improved to reduce power consumption!

[Cat man null]

Quote: Barracuda

For the Russian tanks developed stabilizer on the electric drive

Is it NEWS, or what? Whether the author of the article has an ammeter itch. And what else can it be, hydraulic? I'm not a mechanic, correct. Cons in favor.

I am not a mechanic either, but I saw the T-64B "live" .. repeatedly

There really is a hydraulic drive, you can start the stabilizer with the engine off, but .. carefully and for a short time.

The most useful thing in the new stabilizer is exactly this:

the so-called "quiet observation" mode, when the gunner and tank commander can rotate the turret, raise and lower the gun, fire without turning on the engines, only thanks to the operation of the tank battery

Because the 64-ki engine is heat, smoke, and the sound is like from a dozen circulars on which the saws are cut .. you can hear far and confidently.

In addition, the stabilizer turns on for 2.5 minutes .. while there the gyroscopes spin up, and so on. Do not turn on quickly, in short.

And here - he hid behind a bush, you sit quietly and drive a sting .. lepota

[fa2998]

I’m not a tanker, can anyone explain. I accidentally watched a tank biathlon. Shooting on the go. Speed ​​- visually no more than 10 km / h, they travel evenly, on a level road. Every fifth shell hit the target (profile of the LARGEST tank). stabilization of guns, optoelectronic systems?! And many people screwed up from their seats! And the distance is childish. But what about the TTX-accurate shooting at 2000-2500 m. The BEST tankers perform on OUR tanks, and the target will not give change, but in a fight you won’t give up a penalty loop! By the way, many skated! Maybe I misunderstood, ay!, tankers.

[Cat man null]

Quote: fa2998

Accidentally watched tank biathlon

Nice. I didn’t look ..

Quote: fa2998

Shooting on the go. Speed ​​- visually no more than 10 km / h, they travel evenly, on a level road. Every fifth shell hit the target (profile of the LARGE tank)

- speed about 15 km / h usually
- tank profile? And not the same as below in the picture?
- exactly - "every fifth"? It won't be enough ..

Quote: fa2998

And the distance is baby

1700 meters for standard exercise

In short, here are the exercise conditions, target numbers and target. Even not the "best" crews, as a rule, performed this exercise successfully. Before. Now - I don’t know, but I don’t think everything has become so much worse.

Shooting on the go on appearing and moving targets

Objectives:

tank (target No. 12), appearing for 1 min 20 s; when shooting from an additional barrel (cannon) - a tank (target No. 12), frontally moving at an angle of up to 25 ° in a 300 250 m section at a speed of 15 18 km / h (when shooting at night with only a night sight - appearing for 1 min 20 s );
manual anti-tank grenade launcher (target number 9), appearing for 1 min 10 s;
recoilless gun (ATGM) on a car (target No. 17а), oblique or flanking movement on a section of 200 m at a speed of 15 20 km / h.

Ammunition:

for firing at a tank of regular artillery shots or their substitutes - 3,
for firing at RPGs and ATGM recoilless guns on an ammunition vehicle - 35, of which 10 with tracer bullets.
Movement of the tank: frontal. The distance from the opening line to the ceasefire line is 700 meters.

Time for firing: from the Vperyod team until the tank exits to the ceasefire line - 3 min 10 s. The time of the first shot is no more than 15 seconds.

Motor resources: 1,8 km.

Evaluation:

“Excellent” - to hit all targets, while the tank is no less than two shells (bullets);
“Good” - to hit all targets or two targets, but at the same time hit the tank with at least two shells (bullets);
“Satisfactory” - hit two targets, including a tank

[NDR-791]

This seems like a very outdated exercise (which is only shown in brackets by BULLETS)! Is this not for BT-7? A dozen years ago, on VTTV in Omsk, I observed normal shooting at 5000. We got here! I suspect that in the tank biathlon everything is put under the same conditions - if the Kuwait team does not have such sights, then we have been removed.

[Cat man null]

Quote: NDR-791

A dozen years ago, on VTTV in Omsk I observed normal shooting at 5000. We got here!

What did they shoot from? Not from the tank, obviously, same?

Quote: NDR-791

This seems like a very outdated exercise (which is only shown in brackets by BULLETS)! Is this not for the BT-7?

Normal exercise .. and not for BT-7 .. under "bullets" I mean, as far as I understand, "bullets" of 14.5 mm, which fly out of the inset barrel.

Here http://topwar.ru/39373-strelba-vkladnym-stvolom-1.html there is an article about a supplementary trunk - what it is and why it is needed.

Something like this..

And here is the insert barrel itself:

[NDR-791]

Sorry to be late, but better than never. They shot from the T-80U, though from the spot. I don’t know what - with a guided projectile, I guess. And again, I don’t know who hit the target - the projectile or the department of the firing squad servants (all the same, foreign customers were present). In the end, as I said, I am not a tanker, but just a diesel engineer. But what I saw, I sing.

[Insurgent LC]

I’ll start from the distant 60s. As for the stabilizer, this was the first time that the T62 tanks used a two-plane hydraulic stabilizer, so with an open gun with the stabilizer working at speeds above 10 km / h, the maximum was allowed 25 km / h on rough terrain. which led to deaths, crushing by the breech either the loader or the commander, in connection with which they forbade firing on the move, they fired from short stops, having previously opened the cannon plus, during operations in Africa and the countries of the Middle East, the hydraulic drive could ignite if it got into the tower, causing fire and death of the crew burning oil under high pressure actually back then it was recommended to switch the stabilizer’s electric drive and install an additional shock absorber for the inertial course of the gun. jus due to the fact that there was an automatic loader with a guard, trauma from the breech was minimized during sharp vertical vibrations. As for the accuracy of shooting, it all depends on the experience of the gunner, since before the shot with a laser sight, the type of projectile and ballistic computer are measured based on the ammunition parameters, the range of the target and the correction for the wind gives an elevation angle, but here you need to take into account barrel wear and barrel heating on western guns, there is a barrel bend sensor for this, but most importantly, our gunners train in shooting not with tank ammunition but shoot through the barrel liner for small caliber, for example 72 mm shells or 64 ballistics is different, but this time the shells are lying in warehouses and then we still need to take money from the budget for their disposal from here and we all save the shooting results on training and this savings goes sideways to everyone and combat training and the budget

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: fa2998

I’m not a tanker, can anyone explain. I accidentally watched a tank biathlon. Shooting on the go. Speed ​​- visually no more than 10 km / h, they travel evenly, on a level road. Every fifth shell hit the target (profile of the LARGEST tank). stabilization of guns, optoelectronic systems?! And many people screwed up from their seats! And the distance is childish. But what about the TTX-accurate shooting at 2000-2500 m. The BEST tankers perform on OUR tanks, and the target will not give change, but in a fight you won’t give up a penalty loop! By the way, many skated! Maybe I misunderstood, ay!, tankers.

A lot of factors influence the accuracy of shooting from a tank. First of all, the quality of the projectile, gun and stabilization errors. The gunner cannot affect this. But he must accurately take into account the speed of the target, wind speed, air temperature. Correctly choose the aiming point depending on these conditions. The stabilizer only tries to keep the gun at the selected point. In the sight, several aiming scales for different shells. In addition, the gunner must first shoot the gun from a place on a fixed target in order to select the necessary divisions on the aiming marks. Perhaps the biathlon didn’t make any targeting by the crews and they were given the wrong aiming settings. As a result, the gunner only after the first shot (sighting) himself adjusts the aiming. I was also taught that the guidance mechanism always has backlashes. And therefore, even though the stabilizer holds the aiming point, it is necessary to re-aim and aim the gun at the aiming point in the same way for each shot, i.e., for example, from right to left and from bottom to top. And as soon as it is brought in - an instant shot, otherwise the stabilizer will aim the gun automatically from left to right or from top to bottom. Then a slip is possible, because even though the gun seems to be guided, but not felt backlashes actually guide the gun with an error. The guidance and firing process should be very fast.
Second - for the first time I hear that the director (the way you think) is smooth, tank tracks are never smooth, these are solid bumps that not every car will pass through. The bumpier, the better the gunners learn.
This is my experience of shooting from T-54 and T-55 tanks.

[Polite Moose]

Alexey, good day to you. I watched (not from the very beginning) the broadcast of the last biathlon and, to be honest, was somewhat surprised by the not very effective shooting (both from the spot and on the move) of many crews. I only noticed that the team (I do not remember which country) was shooting very well, which at the beginning of the biathlon "shook" its car, and then fought on the reserve one. I suspect that many teams in pursuit of time neglected to comply with the speed limit when overcoming the "escarp" obstacle and knocked down the sights of the guns. Hence the misses. Please comment on the possibility of similar problems on the T-72 as a specialist. Thanks in advance.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Алексей_К

This is my experience of shooting from T-54 and T-55 tanks.

And now mine is T-64B

Quote: Алексей_К

But he (the gunner) must accurately take into account the speed of the target, wind speed, air temperature

All this (except for the speed of the target movement) and much more - on the 64-ke the ballistic computer is engaged. Accordingly, after measuring the distance to the target, the gun "itself" aims at the target, taking into account the corrections.

Quote: Алексей_К

In the sight, several aiming scales for different shells

In 64-ke, a ballistic computer also does this. The type of shell is set by the tank commander.

Quote: Алексей_К

In addition, the gunner must first shoot the gun from a place on a fixed target in order to select the necessary divisions on the aiming marks

On the 64-ke there was a 1G42 laser sight-rangefinder (below is a picture as the gunner sees it). The alignment of the sight was made not by the gunner, but by the platoon officer, at least. The task is to make the sight "look" in the same direction as the gun "looks". Not the other way around

Quote: Алексей_К

the gunner only after the first shot (sighting) adjusts himself aiming

We used to call it "shooting at the gap". With a certain skill, you can hit, from the second and further shots.

Quote: Алексей_К

it is necessary to re-aim and aim the gun at the aiming point equally for each shot

On 64-ke, it will not work differently - the gun rises to the loading line after the shot, the fired tray is thrown out, a new projectile and charge are sent (there is MZ instead of the loader)

Quote: Алексей_К

The aiming and firing process should be very fast.

It turns out that way:

- angle on the target, "Measure"
- look at the measured distance
- if it is reasonable (not all nines, for example), press "Cannon" - shot

Quote: Алексей_К

Second - for the first time I hear that the director (the way you think) is smooth, tank tracks are never smooth, these are solid bumps that not every car will pass through. The bumpier, the better gunners learn

In Taman (and biathlon was held there), the director was laid with concrete slabs. Therefore, it is even. By the way, we also had concrete.

Voooot ..

The promised picture in the scope (clickable):

[Mountain shooter]

Most likely, high-torque brushless motors are used, the control of which is mastered relatively recently. Digital control, therefore, high precision and noise immunity. Very correct and timely decision. Replacing hydraulics with electric drives not only allows the tank to work in an ambush, without announcing its presence with a roar of the engine, but also increases its safety. Hydraulic fluid is flammable. Of course, they will not tell us that they used it on Armata, I would like it to be the same, although it has an auxiliary generator.

[vadson]

Well why not say? say in 15 years)))

[ssn18]

I'd love to hear (read) on this subject the opinion of real designers !!!! Nobody canceled Newton’s laws, with the same mass of the tower, that the hydraulic drive, that the electric drive should spend the same amount of energy. The issue of noise is also doubtful, because the main noise, if we exclude the noise of the engines, is created by gearboxes (gears), according to the works of academician Artabalevsky.

[NDR-791]

can rotate the tower, raise and lower the gun, fire without turning on the engines, only thanks to the tank’s battery. A variant of this stabilizer is also being developed for the T-90MS tank - the new export version of the T-90 »
I'm not a tanker, diesel engineer! But we had SIX pieces of tank batteries for one ASDA !!! And in this regard, I understand that everything stated should work, it should either be serviced year-round, or should work constantly (charge-discharge), or the batteries should be TOTALLY NOT !!! Maybe Chubais invented something new in the nanopowders? With old equipment or without a global reorganization of service, you get a zilch !!!

[ssn18]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Hydraulic fluid is flammable.

Nevertheless, it is used in all types and types of aircraft. With normal maintenance, observing the terms of operation and replacing hoses (hoses), there are no problems.

[gomer]

So it is for import. And you shouldn’t offend yourself.

[fa2998]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Nice. I didn’t look ..

We can in your commentary talk about your service, I'm talking about these competitions. Shooting from a gun - EVERYTHING is smearing, only the Armenians touch the target (they showed the place of the hit) and rolled onto the penalty loop, and there was a coaxial machine gun firing - few people hit (calculation ATGM, 600 m.), With penalty loops again.Bathlon turned into a race on tanks. But it’s not a Ferrari, it must hit targets. I thought that in modern tanks, every shell is on target! bells and whistles ". And the calculations in the biathlon were selected. I think instead of the glass" ATGM calculation "there was a real one, it is unlikely that many did not leave for the penalty loop.

[Cat man null]

Quote: fa2998

Shooting from a gun - EVERYTHING smear ... Biathlon turned into a tank race

It’s strange .. in general, if the weapon is shot, it’s not difficult to hit, especially the standard exercise on the director.

[Russian_German]

Quote: NDR-791

[i] either the batteries should be TOTALLY NOT THAT !!! Maybe Chubais invented something new in the nanopowders?

No, Chubais did not invent.

According to CNet, the Japanese company Sekisui Chemical managed to develop a silicon-based material that can significantly increase the capacity of lithium-ion batteries, as well as make them thinner. With comparable capacity, the battery can be made three times lighter. In addition, the new manufacturing technology allows to reduce the cost of the battery to $ 290 per one kWh compared to the current $ 976.
An electric car equipped with new batteries will be able to drive almost 600 km on a single charge. 2010 year

Russian entrepreneurs have tested and patented vacuum capacitors (VK), which in their opinion should become the main one for creating ultra-high-capacity batteries of the future. According to the inventors, in the latest experiments they managed to accumulate almost two hundred kilowatt hours of energy in one cubic centimeter of physical vacuum. For example, to get the same amount of energy, you need to burn 15 liters of high-octane gasoline. And for example, a four-liter battery of such capacity will be enough to fly to the moon and return. year 2013.

Well, Germany, Spain, SSHA are not far behind.