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On the basis of "Armata" create 152-mm art complex

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On the Armata platform, a 152 mm artillery system is being developed, and for tank created a new powerful engine, reports Military.RF with reference to Oleg Sienko, general director of Uralvagonzavod.




“Under“ Armatu ”we create engineering vehicles, artillery. There is an interesting project of the shock artillery complex, on which the 152 mm gun will stand. This is not “Coalition-SV”, but something completely different. ”- said Sienko, without going into details.

In addition, he said, “a new engine has been created for“ Almaty ”, which is currently classified as secret. “I can only say that the development of the engine continues. Its creators promise to bring power to the HP 1800. I am sure that they will keep their promise, ”the general director added.

Little is known about the engine that is installed on the T-14 now. According to the portal, “this is supposedly a 12-cylinder turbo diesel with an 1200 horsepower”. For comparison, the power of the engine of the American "Abrams" - 1500 hp
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  1. aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 28 September 2015 16: 15 New
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    .... Not the topic ... But .... :))))))

    .... Hall of delegations of the UN General Assembly. Russian President Vladimir Putin has just finished his speech, there is silence in the audience, those present are trying to make sense of what has been said. The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko unexpectedly breaks the silence, who hardly gets to his feet (the consequences of a difficult Sunday evening affect) and utters ...

    Poroshenko (stammering and slightly trembling, but trying to look decisive): This is all untrue! Everything that you heard here is not true, and I’ll just say ...

    Zhirinovsky: Deaf!

    Putin (reproachfully): Vladimir Volfovich, why so ... We are polite people, there are other expressions that can convey the meaning of your message ...

    Zhirinovsky (not at all embarrassed): But he does not understand others! Look at him - no, everyone, please, look at him! So I said - and it immediately dawned on him, otherwise you have to calm down for hours ...

    Putin: Well, at least out of respect for our partners present in the hall ...

    Zhirinovsky: Vladimir Vladimirovich, you know how I respect them! No one in the world respects them like me. (turning around and looking around the hall) Especially the third, fifth and eighth row!

    Representative of Latvia (sitting in the ninth row): And us?

    Zhirinovsky (fast): Riga Balsam is a terrible muck! Sprats - too!

    Representative of Germany: Honestly, we also did not understand what the distinguished deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation wanted to say when addressing the president of Ukraine. Could he explain ...

    Churkin (hastily): I’d better explain. Mr. Zhirinovsky meant that, given the prevailing geopolitical situation in the world and the peripheral, but nevertheless quite significant role played by Petr Alekseevich in the emergence of this situation, it would be better for the President of Ukraine to observe a regime of silence ...

    Representative of France (timidly): How is it in the Donbass?

    Churkin (grunting): No. Complete and unconfined.

    Representative of Germany: But still, the expression that the State Duma deputy used ... We doubt that it can be classified as diplomatic vocabulary.

    Maria Zakharova: Without a doubt. We have accurate information that it was this expression that was used by the representative of the Soviet Union on May 9, 1945 during the signing of the act of unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany. Then Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel tried to challenge one of the paragraphs of surrender and in response to the objections that he tried to raise ...

    The representative of Germany (blushing): Keitel did not write anything about this in his memoirs ...

    Zhirinovsky (cheerfully): So I didn’t! He only reached the chapter on surrender, and then right away - please come to the scaffold, chair, rope and soap served! Would hang a couple of days later - would certainly write!

    Representative of the United Kingdom: But our scientists do not have information about the role of this phrase ...

    Maria Zakharova (reassuringly): They just did not understand her. Not everyone is given. But you see - Pyotr Alekseevich immediately understood her, and you won’t deny that the silence that he has kept since the moment he heard this phrase is only good for us all?

    Representative of France (perplexed): We do not understand, but how could Keitel understand her? He was not Ukrainian? Or was there?

    Zhirinovsky (grunting): If you find yourself in his position, you will also become polyglot. I personally wish you with all my heart!

    Posted by: Anastasia Skogoreva 1
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 28 September 2015 16: 29 New
      21
      Quote: aleks 62 next
      .... Not the topic ... But .... :))))))


      That's it, that is not the topic. Well, if the information from the fields of the UN summit, is just a satire. The topic of maydanuty Ukrainians is here through one, why did you choose an article about Armata ?! am I myself have often sinned like this, but as a rule in topics close in spirit and somewhere in the middle. And they also told me that it was spam !!
    2. Temples
      Temples 28 September 2015 16: 29 New
      +9
      aleks 62 next Why litter?
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 28 September 2015 16: 33 New
        11
        .... aleks 62 next Why litter? ...

        .... I liked it .... I decided to share it with the community ... And so you are right .... I repent ... Sinful ....
        1. Genry
          Genry 28 September 2015 17: 02 New
          -2
          Go to Tsenz ... to politikus_ru - there you like it!
    3. Non-jumping
      Non-jumping 29 September 2015 00: 03 New
      0
      Quote: aleks 62 next
      .... Not the topic ... But .... :))))))

      .... Hall of delegations of the UN General Assembly. Russian President Vladimir Putin has just finished his speech, there is silence in the audience, those present are trying to make sense of what has been said. The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko unexpectedly breaks the silence, who hardly gets to his feet (the consequences of a difficult Sunday evening affect) and utters ...

      Poroshenko (stammering and slightly trembling, but trying to look decisive): This is all untrue! Everything that you heard here is not true, and I’ll just say ...

      Zhirinovsky: Deaf!

      Putin (reproachfully): Vladimir Volfovich, why so ... We are polite people, there are other expressions that can convey the meaning of your message ...

      Zhirinovsky (not at all embarrassed): But he does not understand others! Look at him - no, everyone, please, look at him! So I said - and it immediately dawned on him, otherwise you have to calm down for hours ...

      Putin: Well, at least out of respect for our partners present in the hall ...

      Zhirinovsky: Vladimir Vladimirovich, you know how I respect them! No one in the world respects them like me. (turning around and looking around the hall) Especially the third, fifth and eighth row!

      Representative of Latvia (sitting in the ninth row): And us?

      Zhirinovsky (fast): Riga Balsam is a terrible muck! Sprats - too!

      Representative of Germany: Honestly, we also did not understand what the distinguished deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation wanted to say when addressing the president of Ukraine. Could he explain ...

      Churkin (hastily): I’d better explain. Mr. Zhirinovsky meant that, given the prevailing geopolitical situation in the world and the peripheral, but nevertheless quite significant role played by Petr Alekseevich in the emergence of this situation, it would be better for the President of Ukraine to observe a regime of silence ...

      Representative of France (timidly): How is it in the Donbass?

      Churkin (grunting): No. Complete and unconfined.

      Representative of Germany: But still, the expression that the State Duma deputy used ... We doubt that it can be classified as diplomatic vocabulary.

      Maria Zakharova: Without a doubt. We have accurate information that it was this expression that was used by the representative of the Soviet Union on May 9, 1945 during the signing of the act of unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany. Then Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel tried to challenge one of the paragraphs of surrender and in response to the objections that he tried to raise ...

      The representative of Germany (blushing): Keitel did not write anything about this in his memoirs ...

      Zhirinovsky (cheerfully): So I didn’t! He only reached the chapter on surrender, and then right away - please come to the scaffold, chair, rope and soap served! Would hang a couple of days later - would certainly write!

      Representative of the United Kingdom: But our scientists do not have information about the role of this phrase ...

      Maria Zakharova (reassuringly): They just did not understand her. Not everyone is given. But you see - Pyotr Alekseevich immediately understood her, and you won’t deny that the silence that he has kept since the moment he heard this phrase is only good for us all?

      Representative of France (perplexed): We do not understand, but how could Keitel understand her? He was not Ukrainian? Or was there?

      Zhirinovsky (grunting): If you find yourself in his position, you will also become polyglot. I personally wish you with all my heart!

      Posted by: Anastasia Skogoreva 1

  2. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 28 September 2015 16: 16 New
    +1
    Little is known about the engine that is installed on the T-14 now. According to the portal, “this is supposedly a 12-cylinder turbo diesel with an 1200 horsepower”. For comparison, the power of the engine of the American "Abrams" - 1500 hp


    So there was information that already costs 1500 hp, and they are going to bring the hn to 1800, and now it turns out that today 1200 hp cost ... hm ... request
    1. tomket
      tomket 28 September 2015 16: 20 New
      +9
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      what is already 1500 hp, and are going to bring to 1800 hp, and now it turns out that 1200 hp are ... hmm ...

      1200 are engine restrictions in 1500. as well as power in 1500. In general, now Armata with the highest specific power is higher only if in the future .....
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 28 September 2015 16: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: tomket
        with the highest power density

        This is basic to the tank engine!
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 28 September 2015 17: 10 New
          +1
          Yes, not just a tank.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 28 September 2015 20: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: tomket
        1200 are engine restrictions in 1500. as well as power in 1500. In general, now Armata with the highest specific power is higher only if in the future .....

        Yes, I also thought that at 1500 l / s it was claimed that this was an oversupply of power in relation to the mass. And here, before 1800 ... they were going to teach Armata to fly? And what about the situation with fuel consumption?
        Regarding the new art complex with a 152 mm gun based on Almaty
        There is an interesting project of an artillery strike complex, on which a 152 mm gun will stand. This is not Coalition-SV, but something completely different. ”
        , then I feel the adversary again decided to greatly upset, as with the appearance of the tank itself.
        Well what can I say, ON GOOD WAY. And God forbid that everything works out.
        1. tomket
          tomket 28 September 2015 22: 24 New
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          .And before 1800 ... gathered Armata to teach to fly?

          In "Armata" the modernization potential is laid down in weight up to 64 tons. Hence, there should be compensation in engine power.
    2. SAG
      SAG 28 September 2015 16: 41 New
      +3
      ~ 1200 on the t-90S still stood (Forced V-92S2F engine with a power of 1130 hp) ... and here UNBEATABLE ARMATUS!!! fellow
      This is not sarcasm, I am really delighted with it, and there is still such news.
      I especially like the fact that NATO experts are boiling hot water when they do a comparative analysis ...
    3. figwam
      figwam 28 September 2015 16: 41 New
      +2
      There is an interesting project of an artillery strike complex, on which a 152 mm gun will stand.

      Damn, now I want to see this unit.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 28 September 2015 16: 54 New
        +8
        Quote: figvam

        Damn, now I want to see this unit.

        This is a great idea. Tank, armored personnel carrier and self-propelled guns at one base. In Israel, in the beginning of the 90’s, we developed the Scholef self-propelled guns on the Merkava chassis, but they did not pull out materially, but it’s a pity.
        1. ksv1973
          ksv1973 28 September 2015 17: 06 New
          +7
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: figvam

          Damn, now I want to see this unit.

          This is a great idea. Tank, armored personnel carrier and self-propelled guns at one base. In Israel, in the beginning of the 90’s, we developed the Scholef self-propelled guns on the Merkava chassis, but they did not pull out materially, but it’s a pity.

          You are sorry. We don’t. wink
          No offense, buddy! hi
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 28 September 2015 17: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: ksv1973

            You are sorry. We don’t. wink
            No offense, buddy! hi

            I understand. The fact is that Israeli artillery did not lose from this. We have over 600 M-109, modernized in Israel under a single standard. Lost the military-industrial complex.
            1. Beitari
              Beitari 28 September 2015 18: 25 New
              +2
              Arosha, don't worry about the military-industrial complex. A new generation of howitzers is being developed and will be launched in Israel. I am sure that this will be a worthy device and our Russian friends will certainly and sincerely rejoice for us
              1. ksv1973
                ksv1973 28 September 2015 22: 37 New
                0
                Quote: Beitari
                Arosha, don’t worry about the military-industrial complex. A new generation of howitzers is being developed and will be launched in Israel.

                Here from this place I will ask in more detail, please! wink
        2. kil 31
          kil 31 28 September 2015 17: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Aaron Zawi

          This is a great idea. Tank, armored personnel carrier and self-propelled guns at one base. In Israel, in the beginning of the 90’s, we developed the Scholef self-propelled guns on the Merkava chassis, but they did not pull out materially, but it’s a pity.

          It’s strange, it seems like you are trying not to save on the IDF. Maybe they concealed that they could not make a reliable self-propelled guns? hi
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 28 September 2015 17: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: Kil 31

            It’s strange, it seems like you are trying not to save on the IDF. Maybe they concealed that they could not make a reliable self-propelled guns? hi

            we have not a rich country at all, as many people imagine. In my reserve battalion in the middle of the 90's, American half-tracked armored personnel carriers of WWII were still serving. And when the Americans proposed to put excellent self-propelled guns into the account of military assistance, the command decided to abandon the prospective development. The budget is not rubber.
            1. ksv1973
              ksv1973 28 September 2015 21: 35 New
              -1
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              we have not a rich country at all, as many people imagine.

              Do not be discouraged, my friend! The main wealth of Israel is its soul and will to live.
              Without them, there would not have been a long search and hard work, crowned by the hanging of Eichmann.
              Without them, there would not have been many years of persecution and destruction of the nonhumans responsible for the tragedy at the 1972 Olympics in Munich.
              Without them, there would be no 04.07.1976.
              It is from Israel that Russia should take an example. On the principle of "you spit in the face - turn your neck to spit."
            2. ksv1973
              ksv1973 28 September 2015 21: 35 New
              0
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              we have not a rich country at all, as many people imagine.

              Do not be discouraged, my friend! The main wealth of Israel is its soul and will to live.
              Without them, there would not have been a long search and hard work, crowned by the hanging of Eichmann.
              Without them, there would not have been many years of persecution and destruction of the nonhumans responsible for the tragedy at the 1972 Olympics in Munich.
              Without them, there would be no 04.07.1976.
              It is from Israel that Russia should take an example. On the principle of "you spit in the face - turn your neck to spit."
        3. SSeT
          SSeT 28 September 2015 19: 46 New
          0
          ABOUT! interesting, thanks. However, I think that we are talking about a heavy tank with 2A83, it’s just the same (NOT the Coalition), well, the dvigun is also correspondingly under it
        4. IS-80
          IS-80 29 September 2015 09: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          In Israel, in the beginning of the 90s, self-propelled guns "Scholef" were developed on the chassis of Merkava, but the release was not materially pulled, but it's a pity.

          Hmmm. So here you are what Israeli “Msta.” smile
      2. grigoriy
        grigoriy 28 September 2015 18: 04 New
        0
        I think the military really liked the experience of using the SU / ISU-152 to storm the fortifications. It seems to me that the assault machine will be more current and more modern.
    4. grigoriy
      grigoriy 28 September 2015 18: 00 New
      +2
      But I generally read that the standard is 1500, you can force it to 2200 but then the resource can be reduced and you can deforce 1200 then the resource will grow significantly (for example, for constant operation in the army in peacetime). In my opinion even in and wrote ..
    5. Alekseev
      Alekseev 28 September 2015 18: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Little is known about the engine that is currently installed on the T-14.

      Details about the design of the engine and its systems, indeed, are not many.
      But a brief description, photos from various angles are.
      Known mass, dimensions, beats. expense, etc. (manufacturer's website - ChTZ)
      It is reported that a 4-stroke diesel engine, the number of cylinders, the working volume (about 35 liters, is slightly less than that of the B-92), its X-shaped layout and the presence of gas turbine boosting are also not a secret. Power options for MBT declared at 1500 hp It can be relatively easily increased by increasing the boost pressure and reduced, if not required, but an increased resource is required. By liter power 40-50 hp per liter - a moderate level of forcing, which is what we need. For a highly accelerated engine operating in a tank does not live long.
      We have been working on such a diesel engine for a long time, I heard about the X-shaped circuit as a cadet in the very beginning of the 80s.
      Its design, most likely, worked out well.
      We can conclude that 12H360, aka A85-3, is a reliable, modern unit.
      But what is the transmission Armat - a secret. request Pure mechanics with hydraulic control, like on the T-64,72,80,90? And hydrodynamic or hydrovolume transmission (GMF) can be applied - we will find out later.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 28 September 2015 19: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        But a brief description, photos from various angles are.

        X-shaped engine of Armata A-85.
        (clickable)
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 28 September 2015 19: 49 New
        0
        Chelyabinsk X-shaped engine A-85-3, it is 2A12-3, it is 12CHN15 / 16.
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 28 September 2015 19: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Alekseev
        I heard about the X-shaped scheme while still a cadet in the very beginning of the 80s.

        Most types of X-shaped engines were used during the Second World War. They were designed for large military aircraft. As a rule, they had 24 cylinders and were based on the design of a 12-cylinder V-engine.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 29 September 2015 13: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          I heard about the X-shaped scheme while still a cadet in the very beginning of the 80s.

          Quote: Bayonet

          Most types of X-shaped engines were used during the Second World War.

          This meant a promising tank diesel.
          Much later I learned that by the end of the 80s he had successfully passed tests on vol.187.
          So there was time for improvement and refinement of the Almaty engine. Bad surprises from him are unlikely to wait.
  3. A-Sim
    A-Sim 28 September 2015 16: 16 New
    +9
    So Abrams and heavier. What a comparison.
    1. ksv1973
      ksv1973 28 September 2015 16: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: A-Sim
      So Abrams and heavier. What a comparison.

      We will not forget about such an indicator as specific pressure on the ground. Judging by some data, “Armata” will pass at ease where “Abrams” and “Leopards” will grunt and fart.
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      1. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 28 September 2015 17: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: ksv1973
        Quote: A-Sim
        So Abrams and heavier. What a comparison.

        We will not forget about such an indicator as specific pressure on the ground. Judging by some data, “Armata” will pass at ease where “Abrams” and “Leopards” will grunt and fart.


        The area of ​​the tracks on the mass of the tank, Abrams is heavier, whatever one may say. And the uranium armor of the Saudis crap.
        1. shans2
          shans2 28 September 2015 20: 51 New
          +2
          uranium is useless against cumulatives, it’s the same metal, and any metal has a certain yield strength, so it pierces it into a light to liquid state under the influence of jet pressure. It’s just that Abram is old, he was imprisoned against subcalibers, against whom uranium is good, but now they are cumulative, which have a noticeably large penetrating effect, while not depending on the distance (speed) of the projectile.
          1. sir.jonn
            sir.jonn 28 September 2015 22: 26 New
            0
            Quote: shans2
            uranium is useless against cumulatives, it’s the same metal, and any metal has a certain yield strength, so it pierces it into a light to liquid state under the influence of jet pressure. It’s just that Abram is old, he was imprisoned against subcalibers, against whom uranium is good, but now they are cumulative, which have a noticeably large penetrating effect, while not depending on the distance (speed) of the projectile.

            M1A2 is the most sophisticated modification of serial abrams just created after the collapse of the Union. Tank dueling is a thing of the past, and the abundance of cumulative weapons in the form of RPGs and guns has been off scale since the creation of RPG 7. It seems to me that the M1A2 is simply a tank for sale that doesn’t differ in protection from its predecessor and armor with dining uranium is just a mirror for the natives.
  4. vkl-47
    vkl-47 28 September 2015 16: 17 New
    0
    So there is a sketch and a layout. They called this case "netank" or an assault gun
  5. Smoked
    Smoked 28 September 2015 16: 17 New
    +1
    Finely, you give 203mm as a reserve rate!
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 28 September 2015 16: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Smoked
      Finely, you give 203mm as a reserve rate!

      And this will be for special shells!
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 28 September 2015 16: 46 New
        +1
        And this will be for special shells!

        Well, 152mm is also a nuclear mine
        1. marlin1203
          marlin1203 28 September 2015 17: 04 New
          0
          Do 152 mm anti-tank ammunition exist at all? What kind of "hellish disc" is this? belay
          1. Rader
            Rader 28 September 2015 19: 41 New
            0
            In a kind, here it is a "blank" armor-piercing subcaliber to 152 mm.
  6. Terminolol
    Terminolol 28 September 2015 16: 18 New
    +2
    That's what the system was originally designed for. The designers in Russia will come up with something else ... they’ll still pin it up, they will modernize and call the cheburashka !!! Then the Americans will fight in the front line when they find out that Cheburashka came to visit)))
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 28 September 2015 16: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Terminol
      modernize and call Cheburashka !!!

      From ours it will be at least for fun.
      1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uncle VasyaSayapin 28 September 2015 17: 11 New
        0
        Yes, it will be papacarlo.
        1. Jan Ivanov
          Jan Ivanov 28 September 2015 17: 21 New
          0
          Rather, Karabas-Barabas. )
  7. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 28 September 2015 16: 21 New
    +2
    However, developments are underway and not even bad. Well done !. good good good soldier
  8. classik46
    classik46 28 September 2015 16: 22 New
    +1
    Under tactical yao?
  9. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 September 2015 16: 24 New
    0
    you must immediately install the complex, so that if necessary, to American "friends" shot through ..
  10. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 28 September 2015 16: 27 New
    +2
    They used to say that they will put the “Coalition” at the “Almaty” base, but now something else ... It’s even interesting what kind of gun it will be there.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 28 September 2015 16: 40 New
      +1
      Here there would be a double-barreled Coalition, so that TZM would always be nearby with ready-made containers.
      And how cool it would be: from one position they were shot back and ran to another, while traveling, the trunks were cooling. Arrived, got up, recharged, drank tea and how to cut! And they returned back, and there everything was already plowed, at least sow ... lol
    2. zennon
      zennon 28 September 2015 20: 01 New
      0
      Quote: stock buildbat
      They used to say that they will put the “Coalition” at the “Almaty” base, but now something else ... It’s even interesting what kind of gun it will be there.

      At one time, they talked about 140 mm caliber on the "armature". Stalled?
  11. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 28 September 2015 16: 29 New
    0
    Well, in 5 years we’ll rivet so many weapons that we’ll finally show the states “Kuzka’s mom”, otherwise they haven’t seen her yet ...
  12. satelit24
    satelit24 28 September 2015 16: 32 New
    +1
    Campaign, - armature, appointed a panacea for everything!
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 28 September 2015 16: 35 New
      +1
      What was prescribed as a panacea is very secret and not for the press.
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  13. Engineer
    Engineer 28 September 2015 16: 37 New
    +4
    Eeeeeee, why two artillery systems 152mm? And why is this author not aware of the T-14 engine? 12H360, 1500l.s., 1200l.s. in economy mode. Why do you need another? It’s not clear, because under the new engine we’ll need to change all MTO tanks, the engine is of a specific design and dimensions:
    1. Homo
      Homo 28 September 2015 16: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Engineer
      After all, under the new engine, we will need to change all MTO tanks, the engine is of a specific design and dimensions:

      Watch the movie about Armata again. It clearly says about the modular design of the engine, which means that all subsequent engine modifications will be compatible (standardized). Or do you think our designers are not far off?
  14. avia1991
    avia1991 28 September 2015 16: 38 New
    +2
    “This is supposedly a 12-cylinder 1200-hp turbodiesel.” For comparison, the engine power of the American "Abrams" - 1500 hp.
    Well, yes, yes .. But nothing about the GTU Abramchik - and we have diesel ?! Nefig compare sour and green wassat
    1. zennon
      zennon 28 September 2015 20: 07 New
      0
      Quote: avia1991
      Well, yes, yes .. But nothing about the GTU Abramchik - and we have diesel ?! Nefig compare sour and green

      So what? We have vast experience working with gas turbine engines. Let us recall the gas turbine engine-1000T with the T-80. The T-80U had an engine power of 1250 hp. Moreover, multi-fuel! Specific power per unit mass is important.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 28 September 2015 23: 08 New
        0
        Quote: zennon
        We have vast experience working with gas turbine engines. Recall the gas turbine engine-1000T with the T-80.

        Remember for God's sake!
        The article compares not the T-80 gas turbine engine, but the “Almaty” diesel engine with the Abrams gas turbine engine. What is the problem? This is an incorrect contrast! And not about how we can build tanks with a gas turbine.
        By the way, the author, in addition, “forgot” to clarify that “Armata” is 10 tons lighter than “Abramchik”.
  15. pexotinec
    pexotinec 28 September 2015 16: 50 New
    +1
    I envy our military, they invent good engines for them. When will our car industry take over the mind?
    1. Genry
      Genry 28 September 2015 17: 17 New
      +5
      Lada Vesta left the week. I do not like?
    2. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 28 September 2015 18: 02 New
      0
      Quote: pexotinec
      I envy our military, they invent good engines

      But why 1800 horses? One more competition will be seen in the tank biathlon-gran with the formula 1 but only among the tanks! laughing
      1. Rader
        Rader 28 September 2015 19: 47 New
        0
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Quote: pexotinec
        I envy our military, they invent good engines

        But why 1800 horses? One more competition will be seen in the tank biathlon-gran with the formula 1 but only among the tanks! laughing

        It will be possible to "hang" thicker armor - a sort of "urban modification" The weight of the tank in this design can get up to 60t., And it is possible to cross this line. So you need a more powerful engine ...
  16. Izotovp
    Izotovp 28 September 2015 17: 03 New
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    Something fashion went into cooperation between land and naval artillery, can they share something tasty and convincing for Almaty too? )))
  17. Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 28 September 2015 17: 15 New
    +1
    This is not Coalition-SV, but something completely different

    A heavy breakthrough tank, like the IS-2 at one time? good
    1. Rader
      Rader 28 September 2015 19: 56 New
      +1
      Rather, the hybrid that you named, IS and ISU 152. A sort of assault on self-propelled guns while maintaining the advantages of a classic tank.
      It seems that the military themselves have not decided what they need, here are the designers and wander in the "conceptual darkness"
  18. Berthan
    Berthan 28 September 2015 17: 18 New
    +2
    ... the project of an artillery strike complex, on which a 152 mm gun will stand. This is not Coalition-SV, but something completely different ...


    Looks like a remake of a famous car.
  19. 31rus
    31rus 28 September 2015 17: 27 New
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    It will be a tank and a self-propelled gun and an assault gun, this is both profit and power, this is why another engine is needed, I think that the platform itself is getting heavier, here is the answer
  20. North wind
    North wind 28 September 2015 17: 30 New
    +1
    Little is known about the engine that is installed on the T-14 now. According to the portal, “this is supposedly a 12-cylinder turbo diesel with an 1200 horsepower”. For comparison, the power of the engine of the American "Abrams" - 1500 hp
    Sorry, I'm certainly not a professional, but they can’t compare Abrams and Armata with different weights, it’s clear that Abrams has a more powerful engine
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 28 September 2015 17: 42 New
      +2
      Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer ..

      A hundred times already written .. okay ..

      Quote: North wind
      it is clear that the abrams has a more powerful engine

      It is not true. Power is the same:

      Quote: http://vpk.name/library/f/armata.html
      rated engine power 1500 hp, up to 1200 hp a restriction was introduced, which significantly increased the motor resource

      Quote: North wind
      I'm certainly not a professional

      This is just understandable .. read the comments at least before writing something ..
  21. Pate
    Pate 28 September 2015 17: 46 New
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    But it’s interesting, maybe the GTE will be delivered all the same, because the future lies with them, judging by what the military personnel who used the T-80U write.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 28 September 2015 18: 16 New
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      Quote: Pate
      the future lies with them

      This is with what, excuse me, a fright?
      1. Genry
        Genry 28 September 2015 18: 28 New
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        Quote: Cat Man Null
        This is with what, excuse me, a fright?

        Less weight and dimensions, a very large resource, omnivorous fuel, reliable operation at low and high temperatures and low atmospheric pressure (mountains, permafrost, deserts).
        Consider this a piece of a modern aircraft engine.
        1. Izotovp
          Izotovp 28 September 2015 19: 00 New
          +1
          Maybe maiman61 can correct me, but it was in the mountains of Afghanistan that the gas turbine engine didn’t have enough air, so the question arose of returning to the diesel engine. Another thing is that Kharkov was engaged in diesel engines for tanks, and turbines for gas turbine engines were partially produced in Ukraine.
          1. max702
            max702 28 September 2015 19: 54 New
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            The t-80 was not used in Afghanistan, they were all in the western group of forces, even the t-72 was used very limited at the test level ..
            1. Izotovp
              Izotovp 28 September 2015 19: 58 New
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              In no case do not argue, I simply do not have the necessary information. And in the GBV in the mountains they were not tested?
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 28 September 2015 19: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Genry
          very large resource

          Yah? Does a turbine have a longer resource than a diesel? I didn’t know, I didn’t know ..

          Quote: Genry
          fuel omnivorous

          Diesel tank - they are also multi-fuel ..

          Quote: Genry
          reliable operation at low and high temperatures

          Not this way. Running a turbine in the cold is easier than a diesel engine. Everything else - rut and ches ..

          Quote: Genry
          reliable operation at ... low atmospheric pressure

          IMHO nonsense ..

          Quote: Genry
          Consider it a piece of modern aircraft engine

          I don’t need to count anything, I saw the T-80U alive and even gave it a ride .. on the armor, though, but the experience is unforgettable when this dog walks along the tank path (not on a level track .. whoever saw the tank road will understand) in winter , drove about 70 kilometers at night .. maybe less, but very fast laughing almost flew away, damn it.
          1. max702
            max702 28 September 2015 19: 58 New
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            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Yah? Does a turbine have a longer resource than a diesel? I didn’t know, I didn’t know ..

            It’s not paradoxical, but it’s about 2-2.2 times so .. True, the price in the Soviet era was 19 times higher .. For service, only positive reviews if something broke then immediately to the factory, though it breaks very rarely ..
    2. Genry
      Genry 28 September 2015 18: 19 New
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      GTE will be advantageous when using a hybrid drive (GTE_power_el_generator, buffer acc. Battery, electric motors in the drive).
      Here, the greater inertia and low torque of the gas turbine will be smoothed out.
    3. maiman61
      maiman61 28 September 2015 18: 39 New
      +1
      I served on the T-80 with a gas turbine engine - it's just a fairy tale!
    4. max702
      max702 28 September 2015 19: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Pate
      But it’s interesting, maybe the GTE will be delivered all the same, because the future lies with them, judging by what the military personnel who used the T-80U write.

      While it is 19 times more expensive than a diesel engine and 1.5 times more voracious .. As soon as they reach a new technological level and solve problems with consumption, everything can be ...
    5. zennon
      zennon 28 September 2015 20: 11 New
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      Quote: Pate
      But it’s interesting, maybe they’ll put the GTE all the same

      Difficult question. On the one hand, quick start in winter, multi-fuel, and on the other how to use them in the steppes, deserts? They don’t like dust. GTE consumes a huge amount of air, and it works like a vacuum cleaner.
  22. gomer
    gomer 28 September 2015 20: 47 New
    +1
    What shells to use, and how to call fantasy is enough.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 September 2015 00: 24 New
      +1
      An assault tank with a 152 mm cannon will work, and the shells are the same as for the self-propelled guns Msta, Akatsiya and Hyacinth.
  23. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 29 September 2015 05: 54 New
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    such a projectile, even a land mine, even if it flies into the forehead into an Abrams-leopard-leclerc I think the enemy’s tank will become incapacitated ...