China is working on a new high-explosive BTR

"Messenger of Mordovia" published a material about the new Chinese high-impact resistant armored personnel carrier, which is significantly different from the ZBL-09 armored personnel carrier in service.

"The new Chinese military-industrial complex, apparently, is not a classic BTR, but refers to the so-called MRAP, that is, to machines that have increased protection from mines, land mines and improvised explosive devices," the material says.

The engine of this armored vehicle is in the front. The driver's seat is equipped with bulletproof glass. Personnel can use hatches on the side and in the stern of the BTR.

At the moment, the machine is not equipped with weapons, but it is quite possible that in the future it will install remote-controlled modules on it.

According to military experts, the publication of data on such an armored personnel carrier may indicate that Chinese troops are preparing for a peacekeeping operation in Syria.

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[bulvas]

In Syria, the competition of great powers

[Bombardier]

And what, a normal "bus" turns out ... Like it. So I will call it - the Chinese "bus"!
How many free riders "passengers" are lucky? Engine power? Leading all axes or what? When to series? When do they plan to put the turret?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Bombardier

And what, a normal "bus" turns out.

On such a ride on our roads, fully observing the traffic rules. You look, there will be fewer impatient people "to the left of the left, to the right of the right" on the road. He will probably even run over "Hummer" like a cockroach ...

[demon1978]

Quote: Bombardier

And what, a normal "bus" turns out.

Chubais, perhaps he’ll buy one guarded to the bakery But how else ??? !!! Everyone in the Democrat will spit Yes, and Nemtsov with Berezovsky, suggestive ....

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I always liked “Herald of Mordovia” .... He writes with intent and very good .. Most often the truth! Such bronics in Syria can be experienced ... (and the Chinese at the same time to shell ...)))

[Altona]

Quote: Bombardier

And what, a normal "bus" turns out ... Like it. So I will call it - the Chinese "bus"!

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Well, you say "Chinese bus". A large-capacity landing module (DMBV), probably something like this ... By the way, this is a feature of the United States, they have amphibious expedition ships, which, nevertheless, are not part of the fleet, but are used when moving regiments across the oceans ... so this "bus" can also carry ordinary people, so as not to be idle ... Workers on duty, for example ...

[avdkrd]

Quote: Bombardier

And what, a normal "bus" turns out ... Like it. So I will call it - the Chinese "bus"!

similar to an airfield tractor

[marlin1203]

Any armored personnel carrier is, by definition, mine-resistant ... the only question is the power of a mine ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: marlin1203

Any armored personnel carrier is, by definition, mine-resistant ... the only question is the power of a mine ...

The phrase is simple and true, like AKM. Only armored personnel carriers are different ... Of course, the hackneyed topic is about ukroBTRs, but it does not lose its relevance, especially in connection with such a cool phrase. Formally, this is also armored personnel carriers ...

Armored personnel carrier - an armored transport and combat vehicle designed for the delivery of personnel (riflemen) of motorized rifle (infantry, motorized infantry, landing and so on) units, materiel to the place of fulfillment of its combat mission and the evacuation of wounded and injured from the battlefield.

[Altona]

Quote: Zoldat_A

The hackneyed, of course, topic about ukroBTRy,

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Please do not post more photos of the products of the Ukrainian military industry ... They offend my aesthetic feelings and, in general, produce a brain rupture with their imperfection ...

[Asadullah]

Any armored personnel carrier is, by definition, mine-resistant.

Nude Nude. The topic of MRAP is constantly being raised, you can only look at the pictures of the Chechen war, you can very clearly see how the armored plates crushed our guys even with five kg of explosives. A sad comparison with American transports, when a camouflage under half a ton of blasting explosives throws the entire column, and the personnel come out of the armored capsule, pasting abrasions and rubbing bruises. In this case, I have no time for comparisons; I just feel sorry for Prutkov. It's a shame for our fighters, who died not for a nonsense, but because someone had thought of something with feldfebel’s brains .... The question is not even in the quality of the armor, not even in the v-shaped bottom, the secrets are in the design, it breaks our vehicles, it crushes, and they disassemble into nodes where the armored capsule flies away from the epicenter. He personally felt his hands, there is not even a trace of fire destruction, the paint is like new. And the joints are interesting, like glued, the lower layers of the sandwich are soft, picking with a screwdriver. Somehow, our designers are well able to think about the subject of killing enemies, it would be nice for anyone to think about saving the lives of their soldiers. Damn, I write and the irritation is growing ....

[Per se.]

Quote: Asadullah

The topic of MRAP is constantly being raised, you can only look at the pictures of the Chechen war, you can very clearly see how the armored plates crushed our guys even with five kg of explosives.

It must be admitted that the Chechen war, like the Afghan war, is primarily a war against militants using guerrilla tactics and attacking military convoys from ambushes. There are no recollections of our war veterans from the Great Patriotic War about such a problem on the rear roads. The technique for a big war (and against a full-fledged army), and the police technique, counterguerrilla, cannot be the same as the tactics of counteraction. We have everything heaped, but if you go in cycles in MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected, - armored vehicles with enhanced mine protection), you can reach the point of absurdity. For explosives, for wars similar to the Chechen one, there should be its own equipment (and tactics), but it would be unlikely to be right to take a Yankee example mindlessly, when they sit overseas, the quiet borders with Canada and Mexico, expeditionary tactics of war. That is, in the photo, it will be the best high-explosive tool.

[Asadullah]

Technique for a big war (and against a full-fledged army)

Undoubtedly. But the question of survival is the same in any conflict. A police operation, again a matter of cunning, to disperse fans at MRAPs, or deliver a replacement to a checkpoint in the North Caucasian Military District. You can not steam and carry l / s in the Urals, while it is possible to fly out of the body with a blast wave and stay alive. It is possible with a good face to sheathe the Urals with armor plates and they will successfully crush the fighters on a landmine. On the other hand, they will save from the rifleman. I do not have statistics on how many of our soldiers died in solidarity in transports, but I know that for six months there are already three active two hundred and many. And when dozens of soldiers instantly die, the nervous question arises, why are the losses in transport in the American army minimized? Is it because Russia is not going to fight on foreign territory, but its losses are insignificant?

[Corsair]

and where were the Americans blown up on their transports and there was nothing, or just abrasion? if 500 kg will explode under or near such an iron box - will there be a minimum of concussion and deafness, or you will be stained on the walls and spitting blood for a week or are the Americans sitting in a tight trailer with good sound insulation? So do not believe in fairy tales - of course, for Hollywood and advertising you can arrange a directed explosion nearby, but this is a directed explosion - with it the blast wave diverges differently. If there are less landmines and mines - there really is a correct design of the bottom and walls that will save and there will be almost no injuries - this agrees on everything.

[Asadullah]

if 500 kg will explode under or near such an iron box - at least everyone will have a concussion and you will remain deaf,

But what are you, enough and twenty, under the bottom, so that a can of meat canned food would remain from the transport. The question is that undermining one combat unit is not effective, it usually moves at high speed and milliseconds can negate all the work of a sapper. The column moves slowly, but to undermine one transport in the column is also not comme il faut. To do this, they make a camouflage on the side of the road, and fill it with a maximum of useful things for a demolition man. In this case, a significant amount of equipment is disabled and the movement of the column is stopped. Kill as many l / s as possible, in this case it is not a task. And in the Caucasus, they tried to kill as many of our guys as possible. If MRAP were in service, they would save hundreds of lives.

[Per se.]

Quote: Asadullah

But the question of survival is the same in any conflict.

Yes, the most invaluable thing is the life of soldiers, which does not depend to a small degree on the equipment used. Nevertheless, if we strengthen something in the construction, we will inevitably have to weaken something and sacrifice something, here it is important to have the priority of appointment. There are no armored cars that cannot be undermined, and even the most successful mine defense will have its own TNT equivalent. The MRAP scheme, by changing the shape of the bottom, weakens the effect of the explosion, redirecting the blow, but this scheme, as a rule, increases the height of the combat vehicle, changes the internal layout, and how good it is for the fighting qualities of equipment is another question. In addition, the appearance of new mines and explosive devices already created against MRAP is only a matter of time. You can’t sharpen all your military equipment to police, anti-terrorist operations, to the detriment of its combat qualities, for which it was created. You are talking about the smaller losses of the United States, the place where they experienced all the delights of war on the roads, these are Iraq and Afghanistan. Each Yankee exit is a whole military operation, and their trips are unlikely to be commensurate with the number of passage of columns and single flights of our troops, even if we take two companies separately in Chechnya, without a war in Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, with the competent work of our intelligence, sappers, military guards, the losses from attacks and detonations were much smaller, and this is probably no less important than strengthening the defense against demolitions. In the photo, the classic appearance of an armored car with MRAP protection, what is good in one, is already significantly worse as a combat vehicle for a real war. Therefore, I repeat, do not go to extremes, mine protection is a necessary thing, but everything is good in moderation, priorities are needed, what is good against militants and terrorists does not have to be useful at the front, if there is a real war against a strong, full-fledged army.

[Asadullah]

In Afghanistan, with the competent work of our intelligence, sappers, military guards, the losses from attacks and bombings were much smaller, and this is probably no less important than strengthening the defense against bombings.

In Afghanistan, it was different. At first, companies put spirits and mines directly on the road surface, they simply went around. Then the contactors on the nails were driven directly into the asphalt, and in the ninth there were also thermal traps. And the losses on the tracks were many times higher than during the operations, especially the exits. Science does not stand still, now a powerful computer will simulate an explosion of any power and the behavior of an object in it. From that, the primary energy of the explosion disconnects the MRAP nodes, the lighter, composite armored capsule tilts away from the epicenter, in which the chassis is already torn to shreds. I repeat, I personally observed the survivors, after truly terrible bombings.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: marlin1203

Any armored personnel carrier is, by definition, mine-resistant ... the only question is the power of a mine ...

And there are sappers ... and intelligence!

[demon1978]

China is working

That said a lot, this is an incentive not only to mattresses but also to us

[Abbra]

Yes ... The idea is respectful ...

[Yak-3P]

152 mm landmine for 2 m directed destroys the tank ... if under .. it turns over ... only while the premature detonation of protection is 100 pounds ... and these are expensive horns with emitters EM waves to the first bang .. and you need to change

[your1970]

"152 mm land mine for 2 m directional destroys the tank.
if under..turns over .. "?????
Explain the idea, please, but I saw torn rollers, I saw a broken bottom, but I didn’t have to turn over ...
And the first sentence is also at the same time burnt when I saw it, I saw the towers torn down, but for 2 directed(planted in a pipe or something?) they didn’t see the destroyed tanks ..
Actually, what can the tank turn over in the OF-530 D-1 shell (weighs 40 kg, weight BB-6,86kg) if they don’t always turn over at nuclear test sites with nuclear explosions ...

shot at the time with 2С3 and D-19 (for various purposes, including tanks) and a little from D-30 and BS-3 (damned case of her after howitzers clean-with its barrel length ), but something like this did not happen to see how you describe ...

[Asadullah]

Explain the idea please

When you torture children)))

[Asadullah]

152 mm landmine

That is, you take a 152 mm shell, with three kg of explosives, tie it to a tree by the road and undermine the passage of the tank? Tank, you need to understand, to smithereens?

Dogs: Are you probably an avid fisherman?

[3 Gorynych]

.... Chinese troops are preparing for a peacekeeping operation in Syria.

The expert conclusion, some strange ... Let's draw conclusions on footcloths ...

[maxxdesign]

and then camouflage urban)

[MolGro]

Inspired, soon))

[bulvas]

Quote: MolGro

Inspired, soon))

I never could understand this machine for what? For the airfield?

she has patency = 0

[Nosgoth]

I’ll tell you a secret ... this car is from the cinema, and there the logic is optional, the main thing is to present the picture more interesting.

[bulvas]

Quote: Nosgoth

I’ll tell you a secret ... this car is from the cinema, and there the logic is optional, the main thing is to present the picture more interesting.

Thanks, I remember - "Aliens 1"

I already lived then and I had a VCR, if you know what it is

[venaya]

The location of the engine to the side of the driver, protected by armor, is advisable to use in other vehicles. Let us recall a successful "shishiga" with an unsuccessful driver's position, moreover, not protected by armor. Such a constructive concept itself commands respect, the rationality of using the useful volume of the vehicle is visible.

[mosquito]

According to military experts, the publication of data on such an armored personnel carrier may indicate that Chinese troops are preparing for a peacekeeping operation in Syria.

They are preparing for Sinjiang ...

[zadorin1974]

Not surprisingly, they design and test. Firstly, they will sell at lower prices than all the others. Secondly, China has its own troubled regions, there, too, with the support of one nasty country, they can start mining roads. Thirdly, Chinese investments They work in Africa and the Middle East. Accordingly, Chinese specialists work there who need to ensure security, but what the Chinese are hard to condemn is the squandering. They, like real patriots, buy goods of national production.

[plow]

Only in the media went the version that Xi Jinping was going to Washington and maybe behind Russia he would agree with America on the division of the world, perhaps they would conclude an alliance against a weak Russia, as literally the next message came that the Chinese aircraft carrier, the Chinese missile cruiser, had moored in Tartus . In addition, the Chinese are going to transfer planes and helicopters through Iran, as well as transfer up to one thousand commandos, who will be directly involved in the hostilities.
The force with which China is drawn into a war alien to him. Violation of the principles of a monkey on a hill while two tigers torment each other. It says that we cannot even imagine the depth of mutual understanding between the leaders of China and Russia. They really decided to overthrow the hegemon. Russia takes fire on itself. Military-political economic costs. That is a ram. China led, second number. Covers an economic back. All these conversations about the SCO and BRICS in the west, about their insolvency, are refuted step by step by real deeds ...
The Empire Strikes Back

[DimanC]

The Chinese, along the way, decided to remember Cameron and his "Aliens": the tarantay really looks like that. When I watched that movie for the first time, I did not think that such a car would ever drive. Oh no, the Chinese think differently ...

[Professor]

"The new Chinese military-industrial complex, apparently, is not a classic BTR, but refers to the so-called MRAP, that is, to machines that have increased protection from mines, land mines and improvised explosive devices," the material says.
Someone confuses something. Well, what is this Mrap? Where is the V-shaped bottom? Where are the fighters located away from the ground? Where is the sufficient height of the compartment?