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Southern Kuriles in the new global configuration

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Last week, the talks between Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kisida and his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov again rested on the opposite interpretation of the “Kuril issue”. The parties actually confirmed the immutability of the existing positions, although they managed to stipulate the preliminary conditions for Vladimir Putin’s visit to Tokyo. Earlier, President Putin and Prime Minister Abe should meet at the UN General Assembly (September 28). Perhaps the final clarity will be introduced there: each of the parties will try to understand how much the opponent is ready to really make concessions, and how acceptable these concessions are.




In Tokyo, they are well aware that the era of a new redivision of the world, which brings new opportunities, has come. Prior to 2014, the dispute over the South Kuriles was a purely Russian-Japanese side-match, to which from time to time someone would connect from the outside. Washington sluggishly supported Tokyo, but without much enthusiasm, considering who fought against that war against whom. However, after the Crimean events and the unfolding global confrontation (which is a miracle in itself, given how unequal the resources of the parties are) the local territorial dispute ceased to be so and turned into one of the fronts of an increasingly bitter conflict. Apparently, the outcome of this confrontation will decide the fate of the Southern Kuriles.

Of course, the Japanese government is determined to resolve the territorial dispute primarily through diplomatic means, but if they fail, it is obviously ready to consider other ways.

Missed Opportunities

In 2012-2013, relations between the Russian Federation and Japan underwent dramatic changes. It can be said that the parties took a fresh look at each other and significantly moved towards a compromise on the Kuril problem. The possibility of this compromise was then characterized by the word "hikivake" - "draw". What was hidden under such a mysterious term we can hardly find out now, but apparently, it could have been a question of dividing the islands in half by area, with the payment of hundreds of billions of dollars in cash compensation by Tokyo.

Southern Kuriles in the new global configuration


Bilateral relations have become so warm that Prime Minister Abe has even ventured to attend the opening of the Olympics in Sochi, which the leaders of the United States and European countries defiantly ignored.

However, then Euromaidan happened, the annexation of the Crimea and the war in the Donbas. Under US pressure, the Land of the Rising Sun was forced to join anti-Russian rhetoric and impose sanctions. In response, Russia announced that the fate of the islands is no longer being discussed. If there was a chance (or the illusion of a chance) to agree on compromise terms before the Crimean-Donbass epic and the imposition of sanctions against Russia by the Russian Federation, now we can almost say unequivocally that President Putin will not accept this. Everything has changed, from the general political situation to a purely psychological mood. The Russian leadership, in every way advocating the “Minsk Agreements” for the Donbass, cannot afford to surrender the South Kurils either.

During a meeting with Putin at the UN General Assembly, Abe will most likely try to reanimate the old format, or at least understand whether this is possible in principle. The idea of ​​dividing the islands in half with the payment of compensation to Moscow is something that the cabinet of the current Prime Minister could agree to. If the Japanese leadership sees that Moscow does not compromise, then in future negotiations with Putin personally there will no longer be any point. The conditions of the Soviet-Japanese declaration 1956 of the year Tokyo are not satisfied categorically, and the rejection of the South Kuriles is not even considered.

With an almost guaranteed failure of diplomacy in front of Japan, there remains only the forceful option of returning territories. Of course, right now it is unrealizable for obvious reasons: although the Russian military doctrine stipulates that nuclear weapon can only be used when there is a threat to the very existence of the state; in conditions of instability, no surprises can be ruled out. Therefore, the stake can be made precisely on the fact that civil unrest will begin in Russia under the load of external and internal problems. In this scenario, the signing of a peace treaty is not beneficial to the Japanese government: without it, the question remains not only for the southern, but also for all the Kuril Islands, as well as for the south of Sakhalin. Objectively, today there is not a single international treaty that would secure the transition of these territories from under Japanese sovereignty to Russian. That is, there are two independent documents. The first is the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on the formation on the territory of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands of the South Sakhalin Region as part of the Khabarovsk Territory of the RSFSR from February 2 1946. The second is the San Francisco Peace Treaty from September 8 of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR is internal document, which, of course, is recognized within the Russian Federation, but has no legal force beyond its borders. The San Francisco Peace Treaty, in turn, is not recognized in the Russian Federation, but it is valid for most of the world community.

At the same time, a rather curious legal problem arises, as a result of which Japan (and the United States under certain conditions) can declare its residual sovereignty over Southern Sakhalin, as well as the central and northern Kuriles. So far, these islands in Tokyo are considered a no-man’s territory (“terra nullius”), and the US position on the topic is at least ambiguous, leaving room for broad interpretation in one direction or another. In the southern Kuril Islands, however, both Washington and Tokyo are united, recognizing them as Japanese territory under Russian military control.



New law and subtle hints

A lot of noise in the Russian press was also caused by the law adopted in Japan to expand the powers of the Self-Defense Forces, which received the right to use weapons outside the country. It does not seem to concern the southern Kuriles directly, since the disputed islands are not considered “foreign” there, and the existing legal provisions were enough for the opening of hostilities.

Another point is interesting. The Empire of the Rising Sun now allowed itself military responses to provocations. What is considered a provocation? Yes, whatever. For example, a high-ranking official’s visit to disputed territories or exercises that are regularly held there. It all depends on the specific situation and angle of view.

Implicit signals are heard more and more often. If earlier their source was mainly Moscow - in response to each diplomatic squabble, the Ministry of Defense conducted demonstration exercises with firing on the disputed islands - now hints are heard from the opposite side. So, on August 27 a second Izumo-class helicopter was launched into the water, named after the Kaga, in honor of the Japanese aircraft carrier of the Second World War. Some Russian commentators noted that the former Kaga was involved in the attack on Pearl Harbor, but almost no one remembered that he had gone to It’s part of the carrier-based squadron of Iturup. The hint is more than transparent.

With the deterioration of the economic state, it is politics that comes to the fore in Japan. The country has slipped into deflation, and the launch of the printing press, together with the fall in world prices for raw materials, did not produce the desired effect. By and large, the Japanese government would not mind lowering the standard of living of its citizens, for the maintenance of which most of the resources are spent and throwing out the aggression accumulated in society. As a maximum - squeeze out the population from large cities to villages. And only a major military crisis is capable of this. But at the same time, it is critically important for Tokyo that Japan itself does not look like an aggressor in the eyes of the G-7 colleagues and could count on their help.

Rearmament of Japan and Russia

So far, the pace of rearmament of the Self-Defense Forces can be characterized as very modest. In the near future, it is planned to purchase five convertible planes V-22 Osprey (with a view to purchasing 17 machines) and five F-35A fighter jets. In addition, 3 unmanned RQ-4 Global Hawk unmanned vehicles were ordered in the United States. The Ministry of Defense also ordered 40 transport aircraft of the new generation Kawasaki C-2, each of which can take up to 38 tons of cargo. Well, by the end of 2015, the first flight of the experimental Mitsubishi ATD-X fighter is expected, although the timing of this long-awaited event can once again be shifted.

This year, the Maritime Self-Defense Forces received one submarine and a helicopter carrier, and ground forces are testing the 6 of the new AAVP-7A1s amphibious assault vehicles, which were the first signs of the fifty-million amphibious tracked party that were already ordered in the US and will arrive later. Together with three Izumo and Hyuga helicopter carriers, and three Osumi large landing ships, each of which has two Landing Craft Air Cushion (LCAC) landing boats, the appearance of the AAV7 and V-22 Osprey of Japan will significantly expand Japan’s landing craft and the speed and scale of the forces involved.

In the Far East region, the Russian Federation has relatively reliable positions. Modern aviation, air defense systems S-400 and the Pacific Fleet, which back in Soviet times created such a good backlog that it still makes an impression.

However, to the fleet there are certain questions. Apparently, the Mistrali Pacific Fleet, apparently, will sail to Egypt, and the somewhat completed submarine Nerpa has been serving in India for three years. Only a few ships and submarines can be considered built under the new government. In particular, the K-150 Tomsk submarine (built from 1991 to 1997), the K-296 Samara submarine (1993-1995), the B-190 Krasnokamensk submarine (1992), and the B-354 submarine Mogocha (1993), the K-550 Alexander Nevsky submarine missile cruisers (2004-2013 years of construction) and the K-551 Vladimir Monomakh (2004-2014), the R-29 large missile boat was built for 11 years - from 1992 to 2003, the Perfect corvette was 10 years old - from 2006 to 2015 (or 2016), and the tiny D-107 landing boat was built for a whole year and a half. The calm situation in the Far East allows shipbuilders to continue to maintain such a leisurely pace. The Pacific Fleet, however, has never been a priority area for rearmament in the Russian Federation, although modernization of some previously built ships is still underway.

We also specifically mention the construction of military camps on the islands, which was announced during the time of Serdyukov, but this is an independent and not so simple topic.

When discussing the defense aspects, it is worthwhile to immediately make a reservation that no one is going to fight the Russian Federation in a conventional way, for now the hybrid wars are relevant. Japan has no resources for such a war, but the United States has it, which does not hesitate to use the opportunities of both its own and numerous allies around the world.

One of many fronts

The Kuril question does not exist by itself, but is closely linked to the huge number of multidirectional economic and political trends in the world. In the end, the fate of the southern and all other Kuril Islands, as well as Sakhalin, will be decided not at all in sea battles, but in a hybrid war that the West leads against Russia.

Washington and European capitals have not only declared Russia to be the aggressor in connection with the Ukrainian events - right now the topic is actively developing that Moscow, which is actively helping Bashar Asad, is also responsible for his “crimes”. That is, the price that Russia will be obliged to pay in the event of a geopolitical defeat is gradually increased. By leveraging resources in other regions of the world (such as Syria, Ukraine, or some other), Moscow will be less able to throw at a bowl when new foci of conflict arise, and the deteriorating socio-economic situation will further narrow the range of decisions made.

Something repeats история 1904-1905's, but today the Land of the Rising Sun is clearly not going to be the first to climb into the flames, preferring the rest of them to do the dirty work: Islamists, Ukrainians, system and non-system liberals, and all the rest. After that, the old question will again be on the agenda.
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  1. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 28 September 2015 06: 09 New
    +7
    Well, gentlemen, samurai? You turned into ordinary rams, butting with a brick fence ..
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 28 September 2015 09: 57 New
      +8
      Yes, the Kuril Islands is their eternal "election bogey". There will be none, there in politics such stagnation will begin that everything will be covered with moss. And so the Japanese people are warlike (in contrast, by the way, from the Chinese). It only pleases that the young generation of them has decomposed essentially under the influence of Western culture and obviously will not want to fight.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 28 September 2015 11: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: marlin1203
        the young generation has decomposed essentially under the influence of Western culture and obviously will not want to fight.
        We have the same situation.
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        2. sychovseroga
          sychovseroga 28 September 2015 22: 25 New
          +1
          nobody wants to fight
        3. sychovseroga
          sychovseroga 28 September 2015 22: 27 New
          0
          do not forget about the atom, I think the Japanese will not want Hiroshima and Nagosaki version 2.0 with improvements and upgrades
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 28 September 2015 06: 13 New
    26
    screwed up, leave me alone from the Kuril Islands!
  3. 3 Gorynych
    3 Gorynych 28 September 2015 06: 20 New
    +9
    Some kind of ambiguity from the article, it seems to be ours, but why is it! Whatever the situation in the country, the people will not give up theirs! But our smokers ... So many soldiers died on these patches of land that sacrilege was given to them !!
    1. BMW
      BMW 28 September 2015 07: 19 New
      10
      Quote: 3
      Some kind of ambiguity from the article, it seems to be ours, but why is it!


      So not one of me has such a feeling.
      Honestly, against the background of articles on the Kuril Islands, an opinion is being created on checking the public’s readiness to give up.
      Somehow unpleasant, faith begins to disappear.
      Yes, the USSR could afford not to reckon with the opinions of others, and Russia has to reckon with everyone, except that we will not listen to Jamaica.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 28 September 2015 10: 06 New
        +3
        I agree - and the maps in the article are still more ambiguous ...
        1. Kibalchish
          28 September 2015 10: 15 New
          +3
          Maps must visually show the Japanese position. Maybe the words are not entirely clear.
          1. Olezhek
            Olezhek 28 September 2015 11: 35 New
            0
            Maps must visually show the Japanese position. Maybe the words are not entirely clear.


            With the first card is absolutely incomprehensible - some kind of card with English signatures ...
            there is nothing next to the text
            It would be necessary in small print (possible Japanese position)
      2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uncle VasyaSayapin 28 September 2015 10: 18 New
        -8
        The question is also, and what in return? The islands, as I understand it, are very necessary for the Japanese and we do not really need. So let them offer a normal price, for example, as a gesture of goodwill and guarantees of obligations - renting a base (Air Force, Navy and Sukhoi Military) for Hokkaido for 500 years with payment of 1 ruble per year and cooperation in economics and technology. And just to give something away for the sake of some kind of “peace treaty” is a crime. And under a peace treaty with Japan and a military base, something could be slandered from China, for example, financing the construction of infrastructure for the new great Silk Road, along which it would also be easier to agree in favor of the Russian Federation.
        1. Kibalchish
          28 September 2015 10: 24 New
          -2
          As I understand it, in return the Japanese offered a lot of money and the lifting of sanctions that were introduced against the USSR to supply high-tech equipment. Plus freedom of navigation across the Tsugaru Strait. I am not the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, I don’t know the details - but it can be assumed with a high degree of probability.
          1. jjj
            jjj 28 September 2015 10: 43 New
            +3
            Officially, we are still at war with Japan, because with 1945, there is no peace treaty between us
            1. andj61
              andj61 28 September 2015 10: 53 New
              +7
              Quote: jjj
              Officially, we are still at war with Japan, because with 1945, there is no peace treaty between us

              Not at all. Japan signed an act of surrender, which was also signed by a representative of the USSR. This put an end to the war. The peace treaty in San Francisco secured territorial changes based on the results of the war, and the USSR did not participate in the signing of the peace treaty, which means its territorial changes were not legally enshrined.
              But no one signed a peace treaty with Germany either. Territorial changes were enshrined in the Yalta and Potsdam Allied Conferences - and that’s all. This turned out to be quite enough.
              1. jjj
                jjj 28 September 2015 11: 45 New
                +3
                Germany was formed from the western occupation sectors, in response to our sector was formed the GDR. These state entities have received mutual official recognition.
                Germany signed the Act of Unconditional Surrender. But her troops from the western theater of action were concentrated in the land of modern Schleswig-Holstein. German weapons were concentrated there. Interestingly, the capital of Germany for a short time before the surrender in May 1945 became the town of Plön on Lake Grossen Plön see and also in Schleswig-Holstein. According to the "Unthinkable" plan, these German troops were to launch a new attack on the USSR under the leadership of the USA and Great Britain. The act of surrender, as it were, our allies did not take into account. Type the political situation has changed. But then for a new war all the possibilities did not work out.
                The political situation has changed in Japan. They openly legalized the possibility of using the Self-Defense Forces outside Japanese territory. Who can guarantee that the Japanese will not refuse to recognize the Act of Surrender regarding Russia? But there is no peace treaty. So the war continues. It’s just that Japan has no opportunity to really fight with Russia.
                This topic was highlighted in detail by our internationalists several years ago.
                1. the villain
                  the villain 28 September 2015 14: 49 New
                  +1
                  Quote: jjj
                  Germany signed the Act of unconditional surrender

                  Excuse me, did Japan capitulate with reservations?
              2. Kibalchish
                28 September 2015 12: 30 New
                0
                1. The state of war was terminated by the 1956 declaration of the year

                2. Territorial changes with Germany were enshrined in the Moscow Treaty
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 28 September 2015 12: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
          The islands, as I understand it, are very necessary for the Japanese and we do not really need.

          Not the islands, but the adjacent water area ..

          She "us" - just do not need ??
        3. BMW
          BMW 28 September 2015 13: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
          The question is also, and what in return?


          Well, here you are ready for a bargain. And the fact that with the proper use of biological resources you can get big profits in the budget, with this money you can maintain a powerful group and fleet, plus thousands of jobs, etc. etc. Plus, the extraction of rare elements from the earth. Plus Pacific saury, which is mined there.

          I’m talking about this

          Quote: bmw
          an opinion is being created to test public readiness to give up.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 29 September 2015 05: 07 New
            0
            Quote: bmw
            you can make big profits in the budget, with this money you can maintain a powerful grouping and fleet, plus thousands of jobs
            Surprisingly, why is none of this still there ?! Probably do not know how to properly use bioresources.
        4. DimanC
          DimanC 28 September 2015 13: 48 New
          +1
          If we give up the islands, a pipe will generally leave the warships from Vladivostok, as tight. Consider them being shut there
        5. Awaz
          Awaz 28 September 2015 21: 45 New
          +1
          the theme of the islands is smoothly squeezed by the fact that in general they have ceased to (almost) have strategic importance. At one time, these islands of the USSR blocked the Sea of ​​Okhotsk practically. That is, although it had in the middle a hole in international waters, it was surrounded on all sides by the Soviet economic zone. Now, not without the help of Japan, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk has become completely internal Russian. But, even if you give two islands, then there will be problems with the release of Pacific Fleet into the ocean, especially in winter. (As far as I know)
          As such, these islands themselves are not especially needed by anyone except the Americans, who completely close the Pacific Fleet in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 28 September 2015 12: 56 New
        +5
        The Japanese want at least half of Iturup or Kunashir, not only because of territorial claims, but because it will deprive the Sea of ​​Okhotsk the status of the inland Russian sea and give them access to biological resources and the opportunity to produce gas there. However, the status of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as our inland has recently been confirmed by the UN and it has been registered with us. Therefore, the transfer of neither Kunashir nor Iturup was ever considered by anyone. In Soviet times, there were plans to transfer Shikotan and Habomai in exchange for concluding a peace treaty, since they would not give the japs ​​access to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and maybe some kind of negotiations on them were in our time. But the japams have nothing to offer for them.
        In fact, ours are preparing for a possible defense of the Kuril Islands. A few weeks ago, the Ball complex was transported to Iturup without noise - there were pictures of its unloading. The rearmament of Pulad, located on the islands, began. Especially for the protection of the islands, it is planned to build a squadron of 6 "corvettes" 20380. One was supposed to go into operation this year, but it was already clear that this would happen in the next and most likely the second would also receive Pacific Fleet in 2016. The third is laid and is likely to be built by 2019. After the commissioning of the Perfect and the Loud one next year, another 2 ships should be laid, and after the launch of the corvette “Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov” most likely they will lay the sixth. Exactly the same series of 6 corvettes 20380 was planned for the defense of Kaliningrad in the Baltic. Of these, 4 are already in operation, and the remaining 2 are being built at the Northern Shipyard and will be part of the Baltic Fleet by 2019.
        Also, for the defense of the islands, they were going to order some sort of diesel-electric submarines, but so far there are no contracts yet. And there is infa that they will either transfer Ustinov from the north after the repair or Nakhimov after the modernization, but this can still change. Commander for the defense of the islands of Moscow region is preparing and seriously. Again, the Pacific Fleet bases in Kamchatka and Vladik already covered with 400.
        1. BMW
          BMW 28 September 2015 13: 32 New
          0
          Quote: g1v2
          Again Pacific Fleet bases in Kamchatka


          There is no surface fleet here, well, no. 4MPK pr. 1124, it’s not a fleet, it’s hard to secure a nuclear submarine’s exit in peacetime, but they won’t be able to go to war, nuclear-powered ships will lock everything in the bay. So it’s unnecessary to sing praises here.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 28 September 2015 14: 34 New
            +1
            Isn't the submarine fleet part of the Pacific Fleet? ON THE KAMCHATKA BASIS OF SUBGROUKS, THIS YEAR HAS COVERED THE C400. There are no praises here - a statement of facts.
            1. BMW
              BMW 28 September 2015 15: 06 New
              0
              Quote: g1v2
              statement of facts.


              I say, without a surface fleet, lock the boats in the bay, like two fingers, and the good of them?
        2. Awaz
          Awaz 28 September 2015 21: 47 New
          0
          no, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk has officially officially become completely internal Russian, although if the islands had been given away earlier, it would be a blessing to the Japanese, not to mention the Americans, who would fearlessly hang around the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. Now the main problem is the passage to the Pacific Ocean from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk to Pacific Fleet ships, especially in winter and especially liners.
    2. 97110
      97110 28 September 2015 12: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: 3
      So many fighters died on these patches of land, that sacrilege was given to them !!

      There are more in Berlin. Do you want to listen to Poland? For the dead, this is exactly so. Politics is the art of the possible. There are forces to resist - the political leaders will count the victims from the 10th century and explain why they should ... No - they will show a movie with a bust of Semenovich in the title role, they will shoot a new one about Poroshenko’s flight to Putin on 23.09.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX. And we learn about the islands as much as about the territories that went to the PRC. Or the Norwegians. For their selfless love for Russia. You’ll be careful about pounding your chest - you’ll beat your fist.
  4. moskowit
    moskowit 28 September 2015 06: 43 New
    +1
    The Japanese will never calm down. After all, they answered unambiguously. Fuck you !!!
  5. vovannefor
    vovannefor 28 September 2015 06: 50 New
    0
    Hochma! For a long time it’s clear that Tang is a puppeteer lol
  6. ermolai
    ermolai 28 September 2015 06: 58 New
    +2
    Well, probably all the same, it won’t give a japan, and the construction of a military and non-military infrastructure on the islands is not just for that, well and good, and then we refused sprats, and now there is a demand for saury, and it seems that they only catch it on Iturup. and the 1905th is in the past, today the samurai are cardboard, because of the monitors, so that even if they lick a Russian tongue with their tongue, they keep a point with their handles just in case of fire.
    1. JACTUS RECTUS
      JACTUS RECTUS 28 September 2015 16: 40 New
      +1
      Well, yes, it’s right on Iturup in forests and glens), it’s funny. Saury is caught in the Okhotsk and on the Pacific side of the Kuril Islands and Kamchatka, Iturup has nothing to do with it. By the way, 80% of the fish are brought to Korea.
  7. Koronik
    Koronik 28 September 2015 07: 05 New
    19
    Well, but seriously, the question needs to be closed and no longer come back to it, but they will not be satisfied, we will survive once and all.
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 28 September 2015 07: 19 New
      +3
      For the picture plus. And regarding the closure of the question ... it seems to me that S. Lavrov has already closed it - Russia will never allow anyone to review the results of the Second World War.
      1. 97110
        97110 28 September 2015 12: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: VadimSt
        S. Lavrov has already closed it - Russia will never allow anyone to review the results of World War II.

        And the reviewers hope that S. Lavrov is not eternal. Like Putin. Suddenly, a tagged ride again. Under EBN, you would so decisively not write about "never before." The question is this. Can we defend the cause of Putin? Even here it is full of those who are "for Soviets without communists."
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 28 September 2015 07: 17 New
    11
    North wind,
    Sakura color blew away
    White as snow Fuji
    It is not visible from the top of the Kuril Islands.
  9. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 28 September 2015 07: 30 New
    +4
    They will use force - we will drown in bulk. Is there something like the Mariana Trenches nearby? So let's see what time japam will need to reach its bottom without special means.
    1. BMW
      BMW 28 September 2015 07: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: stock buildbat
      Is there something like the Mariana Trenches nearby?


      She is in the south.
  10. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 28 September 2015 07: 36 New
    +1
    The Japs should not forget that they have controversial issues on the islands with China.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 September 2015 07: 37 New
    +1
    that the era of a new redivision of the world has come, which brings new opportunities

    It would be better if Japan tried to realize these “opportunities” elsewhere. Trying to return the territories that rightfully departed to Russia is a fixed idea. You need to talk with Russia without the samurai troubles long forgotten by the world. If you follow the Japanese logic, then soon Germany will present territorial claims against us, and then it will begin to demand damages for the damage caused in the 2nd World War.
    1. andj61
      andj61 28 September 2015 10: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      If you follow the Japanese logic, then soon Germany will present territorial claims against us, and then it will begin to demand damages for the damage caused in the 2nd World War.

      It is easier with Germany - all the results of the war were enshrined in the decisions of the Yalta and Potsdam Conference. Then the United States still needed the help of the USSR in the war with Japan. After the surrender of Japan, such help was no longer needed, the Cold War began, and the peace treaty in San Francisco was concluded without the USSR.
      In reality, there is a joint declaration of the USSR and Japan of 19.10.56, when the USSR recognized the possibility of the return of the Shikotan and Habomai islands to Japan, but only AFTER the conclusion of a peace treaty.
      Joint Declaration of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan (1956). Section 9.

      The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan agreed to continue negotiations on the conclusion of a Peace Treaty after the restoration of normal diplomatic relations between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan.
      At the same time, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, meeting the wishes of Japan and taking into account the interests of the Japanese state, agrees to the transfer of the Habomai Islands and Sikotan Islands to Japan with the fact that the actual transfer of these islands to Japan will be made after the conclusion of the Peace Treaty between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan .

      Japan, under pressure from the United States, refused this declaration at one time and the issue was frozen. Putin, in my opinion, in 2013 confirmed Russia's readiness to return to discussing the issue within the framework of the declaration, but Japan did not express such readiness.
      The implementation of the declaration has its pros and cons:
      1. Normalization of relations with Japan - "+".
      2. Loss of the islands - "-".
      3. Russia has non-freezing straits to exit the Sea of ​​Japan and Okhotsk - “+”.
      4. Russia completely remains the economic zone in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk for fishing - "+"
      5. Image losses - both domestically and abroad - “-”.
  12. surrozh
    surrozh 28 September 2015 07: 52 New
    0
    Just about - "... systemic and other liberals." More actively to struggle with these "universal people" - and there will be no "new" readings about the islands and the results of the Second World War.
  13. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 28 September 2015 07: 55 New
    +3
    Affap! Less decadent moods with twisting ass in different directions - and you will succeed. Go fight somewhere, and then I will say: “yes, that's all for us, think, some Igor Kabardin lost his leg (arm, died, etc.).” And let's look at your reaction, and, at the same time, read the updated article on the Kuril Islands.
  14. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 28 September 2015 08: 19 New
    +4
    It is necessary to add to the military doctrine of the Russian Federation a clause: "In the event of the capture of the Kuril Islands by Japan, the Russian Federation will deliver a nuclear-rocket strike." and put an end to this dispute, no people, no territorial claims. Capture smoked is a collective sepuk for all nipons.
    1. 97110
      97110 28 September 2015 12: 20 New
      0
      Quote: zoknyay82
      Russia will deliver a nuclear-rocket strike

      across the US. "
      Quote: zoknyay82
      and put an end to this dispute
    2. LeftPers
      LeftPers 29 September 2015 08: 27 New
      +2
      Yes, you can not nuclear, you can just hit the nuclear power plant.
  15. Max40
    Max40 28 September 2015 08: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: zoknyay82
    It is necessary to add to the military doctrine of the Russian Federation a clause: "In the event of the capture of the Kuril Islands by Japan, the Russian Federation will deliver a nuclear-rocket strike." and put an end to this dispute, no people, no territorial claims. Capture smoked is a collective sepuk for all nipons.


    Why already nuclear missile weapons. Why stoop to the moral low as "usa." Do not use it at all. Only against one country I think you can use it. There are many other weapons worthy of being wiped off the face of the earth. And then this is also not necessary. Just a vacuum bomb or to land Marpekhs with airborne forces and that's enough from them, but in general a couple of TU-160 can be enough for them to fly nearby with open bomb bombs. Show and demonstrate your intention that our smokes. DO NOT TOUCH DANGER.
  16. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 28 September 2015 08: 51 New
    -7
    The biggest evil for Russia is the sale of weapons. The task of the liberal elite is to keep the country unarmed in the face of aggression. There is literally a standing ovation on the VO site when it is possible to conduct a deal, say on the Ka-52k. Nothing else, as people went crazy, or, more simply, zombies, there is nothing to argue with. Insight can be very difficult !!!
    1. Forest
      Forest 28 September 2015 09: 56 New
      +4
      I wonder why selling weapons is dangerous? What money goes to the defense industry, enterprises and people work? Or that these countries should now constantly use Russian technical support?
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 28 September 2015 19: 33 New
        0
        Only by the fact that this is done to the detriment of oneself and their armed forces. Disarmament in a threatened period is nothing more than a crime. And the money will not go to the defense industry, but will go into pockets and accounts. Why are you so naive, Lesnoy?
        1. Forest
          Forest 29 September 2015 00: 53 New
          0
          I wonder how the development of its defense industry and the country's income relates to disarmament? Do we sell equipment from our army? In fact, the more we sell, the more we can buy for our army.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 29 September 2015 05: 59 New
            0
            Quote: Forest
            the more we sell, the more we can buy for our army.
            This is just a moot point. Weapons were actively sold in the 90s and 2000s, but their own army began to be more or less saturated with equipment only in the last 4-5 years.
            1. Forest
              Forest 29 September 2015 09: 49 New
              0
              Now the weapons are also being sold, and due to the proceeds, money is being accumulated, including for defense orders. Still, a lot has changed with 00's.
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    2. AUL
      AUL 28 September 2015 10: 31 New
      +3
      They will not buy from us - they will buy from China (USA, France, Israel ...) There would be a demand, but there would always be a seller. And so with this money our defense industry is supported.
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 28 September 2015 11: 13 New
      +3
      There is nothing wrong with selling arms. The USSR made good money on this at the time. The bad news is that we sell most of our products for export, leaving little to ourselves. In addition, we often sell the latest models of equipment when our own army did not really see them. This was not the case under the USSR. He exported mainly light versions of weapons and only after they had saturated his troops, and not like we have now: they had not yet managed to get the S-400, PAK FA or Armata into service in their troops, and the bureaucrats were already ranting who what and in what quantities will be sold. No country does that.
      1. Forest
        Forest 28 September 2015 11: 32 New
        +1
        So complete sets and now does not go for export - all are slaughtered. In the 90 and 00, the army did not have money to buy, now everything is normally purchased for the Armed Forces. New equipment will be sold after being put into service with us.
  17. Palach
    Palach 28 September 2015 09: 02 New
    0
    Genocide is not an option, destroy the delivery vehicles and this is enough.
    Without land landing, they won’t capture the island, and they’ll get tired of swimming in the float.
  18. Kazakh
    Kazakh 28 September 2015 09: 13 New
    +5
    If Putin surrenders the Kuril Islands, I will not fit in front of the Maydan for him, let him decide what is more important than his people or the Japanese.
  19. Olezhek
    Olezhek 28 September 2015 10: 03 New
    0
    hikivake ”-“ draw ”. What is hidden under such a mysterious term, we now hardly know, but apparently, it could be about splitting the islands in half by squareand, with payment from Tokyo, a monetary compensation of hundreds of billions of dollars
    .

    Next is some kind of muddy map, where the national border of Russia is derived FOR
    4 island limits ..
    I somehow do not understand - the author for whom agitates? It is advisable to sign the card and express your attitude to it ...

    As it turned out incomprehensibly ... raises questions ...

    What for Russia billions for the sale of their land ???
    There should have been political concessions by the samurai ...

    In general, it is possible Volodya’s multi-purpose - to promise something to yapps, they happily rub their little hands ..
    And then vdrukk - bang sanctions from Babama ... belay

    The Japanese join them ... and Volodya is surprised - "ah ah ah - and we already wrapped the islands in gift wrapping for the birthday of Imperator" request

    If so, then this aerobatics in politics... Approximately as with the entry into the WTO ... lol
    1. Kibalchish
      28 September 2015 10: 19 New
      0
      Read above. The cards come with an explanation to the JAPAN position. Russian and so sounded.

      And the term "neither winners nor losers" was not intended by the author, who is well versed in the issue. Remember this:

      http://www.dni.ru/polit/2013/9/5/259473.html

      "Quite briefly, but emphasized, we touched on the topic of a peace treaty between Russia and Japan. On both sides it was understood that the solution to the peace treaty problem can only be based on the principle of" no winner - no loser, "Peskov said at a briefing for journalists in the suburbs St. Petersburg Strelna, where the G20 summit is taking place.

      “This is what the Japanese name is“ hikivaki. ”Putin, as a judoka, is a very familiar phrase, and just two leaders agreed that it is on the basis of this principle that we need to approach this problem,” RIA quotes Peskov News.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 28 September 2015 11: 39 New
        +1
        The cards come with an explanation to the JAPAN position. Russian and so sounded.


        Now it is clear.

        Tolley read the article, no felts. Map drawn by the Japanese for clarity.

        Where does this come from ???
        Usually to mysterious cards give explanations.
        Thoughts I do not read
        The topic is serious - you need to work CAREFULLY

        You can be given a link - to the Japanese site (my favorite is Japan Today)
        Russians are ready to give ISLANDS !!
        All Japan 3 day will not dry ..

        And so everything is clear in English ...
      2. Olezhek
        Olezhek 28 September 2015 15: 17 New
        0
        Read above. The cards come with an explanation to the JAPAN position. Russian and so sounded.


        Southern Kuriles in the new global configuration - title of the article, then blah blah
        and MAP

        From WHAT it follows that this is the JAPAN position, can you argue?


        In 2012-2013, relations between the Russian Federation and Japan underwent dramatic changes. It can be said that the parties took a fresh look at each other and significantly moved towards a compromise on the Kuril problem. The possibility of this compromise was then characterized by the word "hikivake" - "draw". What was hidden under such a mysterious term we can hardly find out now, but apparently, it could have been a question of dividing the islands in half by area, with the payment of hundreds of billions of dollars in cash compensation by Tokyo.


        Paragraph OVER the article! So all the same - is it a draw or a Japanese position?
        By the way, are you personally on whose side ??
        Right or wrong - my country ..
        What country is yours?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 29 September 2015 06: 05 New
          0
          At least from the fact that the card is in Japanese. You find fault with trifles where it is not necessary, to God.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 28 September 2015 11: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Olezhek
      I somehow do not understand - the author for whom agitates? It is advisable to sign the card and express your attitude to it ...
      Tolley read the article, no felts. Map drawn by the Japanese for clarity.
      Quote: Olezhek
      There should have been political concessions from the samurai ...
      What problems. They will also give up sanctions and any hostility with Russia in general for the sake of the islands. Visas will also be canceled. The main thing is to give them a reason ... It is impossible for our authorities to give it.
      Quote: Olezhek
      In general, it is possible Volodya’s multi-purpose - to promise something to yapps, they happily rub their little hands ..
      And then vdrukk - bang sanctions from Babama ...
      Like a little kid, believe in fairy tales.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 28 September 2015 11: 44 New
        0
        In general, it is possible Volodya’s multi-purpose - to promise something to yapps, they happily rub their little hands ..
        And then vdrukk - bang sanctions from Babama ...
        Like a little kid, believe in fairy tales.


        No, it just coincided ... RANDOMLY ... Do you really believe in such coincidences?
        Or do you think that the President should explain all his moves on the air?
        I see the result - the Japanese are classically prodinamil - and they are to blame !!!!
        And Putin just snot chewed with Lavrov all this time ...

        Provide you must return a large debt for the work done on the contract ..
        and vdrukk .. customer EXTREMELY bankrupt RANDOMLY ...

        But all his projects continue to lead some kind of very familiar physical face ...
        An absurd coincidence you say?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 28 September 2015 13: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Olezhek
          Do you really believe in such coincidences?
          What are the coincidences? Nobody promised anything to the Japanese in 2012, they were not going to donate any islands. The whining about the Kuril Islands has been going on for decades, especially after the collapse of the USSR. So the coincidences here are invented and far-fetched.
          Quote: Olezhek
          Should the president explain all his moves live?
          How could Putin know about sanctions? How could Putin know about the Maidan in Ukraine and the war in the Donbass. At the beginning of 2014, no one could even imagine that the ruble would cost 65 rubles, that there would be a civil war in the Donbas, and that the whole “civilized world” would cover Russia from all sides. And Putin also did not know about this and could not know, events were developing too rapidly. What kind of multi-paths are we talking about?!?!
          1. Olezhek
            Olezhek 28 September 2015 14: 40 New
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            What are the coincidences? Nobody promised anything to the Japanese in 2012, they were not going to donate any islands. The whining about the Kuril Islands has been going on for decades, especially after the collapse of the USSR. So the coincidences here are invented and far-fetched.


            There were negotiations, despite the fact that this seems to be an unpopular topic in Russia ..
            BUT NEGOTIATIONS. And here recently, it was stated that the issue is removed from the agenda ...
            Feel the difference: negotiation or complete failure?

            How could Putin know about the sanctions? How could Putin know about Maidan in Ukraine and the war in the Donbas? At the beginning of 2014, no one could even conceive that a ruble would cost 65 rubles, there would be a civil war in Donbas, and the entire "civilized world" would impose Russia on all sides. And Putin, too, did not know and could not know


            Once again - the President is not obliged to report live on all his knowledge and ignorance.
            The rapid pumping of the army began a long time ago.
            There ischo Kudrin was indignant about the ruin on the defense industry ...
            WHAT FOR ?
            Why do the last year and a half go continuous exercises ??

            Is the NATO expansion eastward too a surprise for you? -Just now FAST ...
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 29 September 2015 06: 14 New
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              Quote: Olezhek
              There were negotiations, despite the fact that this seems to be an unpopular topic in Russia ..
              Negotiations are ongoing a long time ago. They went to both Abe and Putin. They went in Soviet times. The main process ... :)
              Quote: Olezhek
              And now, recently, it has been clearly stated that the issue is being removed from the agenda ...
              Yes, our never promised anything to the Japanese. All the way there were sluggish conversations and excuses in the style of "we expect to find a compromise and achieve progress in our negotiations with the Japanese partners."
              Quote: Olezhek
              The rapid pumping of the army began a long time ago.
              More or less money appeared in the country by the mid-2000s and began to invest in the army.
              Quote: Olezhek
              WHAT FOR ?
              Why do the last year and a half go continuous exercises ??
              Major exercises in the country have been taking place for the last 5 years, it’s just that under Shoigu their intensity has increased even more, but this is rather a general positive trend in the Russian army, without reference to some external factor like Russian-Japanese relations. And then what kind of army is this that does not conduct regular exercises ?!
              Quote: Olezhek
              NATO eastward expansion is also a surprise for you
              It started back in the early 90s. But where does Japan, the Kuril Islands and Putin’s mnogohodovochki?!?!
    3. xtur
      xtur 28 September 2015 11: 25 New
      -8
      > What for Russia billions for the sale of their land ???
      > There should have been political concessions from the samurai ...

      It's all about the amount of these billions - when there are very, very, very many, these are political and any kind of concessions.

      Most of the authors on the topic of the Kuril Islands simply ignore the position of their native state - the topic of the Kuril Islands rose from the filing of the Soviet authorities, and never moved them.

      From the point of view of the Russian state, Russia / the USSR does not have firm enough positions in the Far East - far, few people, few communication lines, few industry. In a word, the balance is not in Russia's favor, and the state is looking for allies on the Far East. The idea is to exchange islands, some of which are too close to Japanese territory, to allied, no less, relations.

      Many, many, many, many billions of dollars invested in Russian industry, along with Japanese industrial technologies, may well become the equivalent of allied relations.

      This policy of Russia in the Far East - territories in exchange for allied relations, is quite traditional for Russia, even the USA sold Alaska at that time, just because of the naivete they did not particularly trace the guarantees of good relations, and in the 19th century relations between Russia and the United States as a whole were friendly.

      I suppose that the Russian Federation is going to exchange some of the Kuril Islands, most likely the smallest detail near the borders of Hokkaido, for a large-scale industrial investment in the Russian Federation from Japan. Japan must do in the Russian Federation what the United States once did for the USSR — financial and technological assistance in the new industrialization.

      It is quite obvious that those who are against industrialization will primarily interfere with this policy within the Russian Federation, because right after the start of industrialization, it will have to cut all the obstacles out of power - and therefore it is not surprising that Medvedev is drawn every time in the Kuril Islands and spoils everything.

      If everything is correctly formalized procedurally, first it will be possible to get money and industrialization, and then the Kuril Islands.

      The Japanese will go to such a sequence - they have already helped the Russian Federation in the UN, agreeing to recognize the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as an inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation. Without the consent of Japan, such a decision was not possible, and therefore it is clear that Japan’s degree of confidence in the Russian Federation is huge now.

      And the situation in the world now is such that the price of reindustrialization for the Russian Federation is the same as for the USSR before the war. In such situations, it makes perfect sense to make sacrifices in order to achieve strategic goals.

      In fact, if the Russian Federation receives reindustrialization in exchange for some of the Kuril Islands, this will be exceptionally successful, as it means that Japan will make conscious victims for relations with the United States for allied and reliable relations with the United States, because it is obvious that the reindustrialization of the Russian Federation will cause high-quality cooling of Japanese-American relations.

      T.ch quite it’s not obvious that Japan itself is ready to pay the real price for these Kuril Islands
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 28 September 2015 13: 59 New
        +1
        In-vo-in, we will so soon agree to the point that we ourselves will offer the Japanese islands in exchange for Japanese investment, Japanese technology, Japanese sake, geisha and other nishtyaki.
      2. Olezhek
        Olezhek 28 September 2015 15: 00 New
        -1
        It's all about the number of these billions - when there are very, very, very many of them, these are already political and whatever concessions you like.


        Understand perhaps a country like Ukraine and it would be interesting ..
        (but no one will offer)
        Russia will not change its territory for candy wrappers.


        Many, many, many, many billions of dollars invested in Russian industry, along with Japanese industrial technologies, may well become the equivalent of allied relations.


        Colleague - are you writing and counting billions from insomnia all night?
        If you do not know - all these billions of dollars and euros - colored cutting paper.


        The Japanese will go to such a sequence - they have already helped the Russian Federation in the UN, agreeing to recognize the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as an inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation. Without the consent of Japan, such a decision was not possible, and therefore it is clear that Japan’s degree of confidence in the Russian Federation is huge now.


        Japan is not too large a magnitude in modern politics.
        Once it was called - an economic giant / political dwarf.
        Now this giant is in economics and in politics began to be heard hysterical notes ...
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 29 September 2015 06: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Olezhek
          Russia will not change its territory for candy wrappers.
          I hate such uncompromising statements. How many times have you changed, recall? How many times have they abandoned their uncompromising position. I remember Gazprom also clowned last year that "there would be no discounts on gas for Ukraine." As a result, they gave, as cute.
          Quote: Olezhek
          all these billions of dollars and euros are colored cut paper.
          This colored cut paper is still very, very valuable. This is how the world works.
          1. Olezhek
            Olezhek 29 September 2015 09: 54 New
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            I can not stand such uncompromising statements. How many times have they changed, to remind?


            Remind please.

            How many times have abandoned their uncompromising position. I remember Gazprom, too, last year clowning around, that "there will be no discounts on gas for Ukraine


            And forgive the gas discount in this particular case - is it PRINCIPLE?
            That's just where a compromise is possible, if there are concessions on more important issues.
            For Ukraine, it was just a matter of principle - and that was odd.
            Ukraine FORCED to get discounts on concessions of a POLITICAL nature
            (you have to pay for everything in this world)
            Russia is NOT ready for such an exchange. (money on the island)

            This colored cut paper is still very, very valuable. This is how the world works.


            You understand - an extra person never hurts a poor person.
            Secured - not so interesting.
            Big businessman .. wink
            Depends on the situation in general ..

            Russia is interested in technology, unique equipment .. factories ..
            It is the fact that they will not sell us.

            A piece of sausage and even a stick of sausage is interesting not so much ...
            For the “hungry” Pan Poroshenko, for example, or the Bulgarian comrades, it is interesting ..
            Putin is not.

            1 Not so much free lard in Japan today.
            2 Russia they are not so interesting.
            3 Japan is not going to distribute them right and left.

            Russia would like to get for the islands - political concessions.
            Even in 90, the question was exactly that.
            Today, all the more.
      3. BMW
        BMW 28 September 2015 15: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: xtur
        In fact, if the Russian Federation receives reindustrialization in exchange for some of the Kuril Islands, this will be exceptionally successful, as it means that Japan will make conscious victims for relations with the United States for allied and reliable relations with the United States, because it is obvious that the reindustrialization of the Russian Federation will cause high-quality cooling of Japanese-American relations.


        Complete nonsense.
    4. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 28 September 2015 23: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Olezhek
      Next comes some kind of muddy map

      It’s not even cloudy if you do not pay attention to the colors of the islands, Russia and Japan in the last two, they coincide.

      Quote: Olezhek
      Russia withdraws the limits of 4 islands

      But after all, Japan, too, was taken beyond their borders, which means that they will not get to it either. wink .
      As I understand it, a red line of demarcation was drawn on these maps not only by land but also by water. Iturup will have a land border, the islands are divided by the total number of all disputed islands (this is worse than 1956) and they offer money for this. And the red line also has bold arrows indicating the direction of the Russian and Japanese territories, as Territory is written.
  20. Greenwood
    Greenwood 28 September 2015 10: 26 New
    +3
    The Japanese in every possible way are probing the weaknesses of our government, and at the same time, they are simultaneously thinking through all the options for resolving the problem diplomatically, in order to choose the most tasty and tempting one from them, making Russia what is called an “offer that it cannot refuse”.
    For example, they can promise to lift all sanctions against Russia; enter visa-free regime; bring billions of dollars into the economy of the Kuril Islands at their own expense; provide all islanders with Japanese citizenship and relevant privileges; promise good lift to those islanders who still will not accept Japan and leave for the mainland; to invest in economic and industrial projects in Russia (there are also projects, for example, Disneyland in Vladivostok and the Vladivostok-Khabarovsk high-speed rail line), which, in principle, they are now working on; to open a bunch of branches of Japanese firms and production of Japanese goods in Russia with the employment of the local population; promise free access for Russian companies to the Japanese part of the Kuril Islands, etc. etc. A lot of options.
    Yes, and there were already precedents when our officials "caved in under a changing world", despite the previously supposedly "principled" position on a particular issue. The gas discount for Ukraine is a prime example. You can recall the actual "drain" of Libya, the non-delivery of the S-300 to Iran, the indecisive position on Syria and the situation in the Donbass. Yes, and "settled" territorial disputes with China, Norway, etc. also not forgotten.
    1. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 28 September 2015 12: 13 New
      +3
      This is alarming that our rulers behave with the Japs, like walking females. Advances give muddy ...
      And not only with the Japs ...
      1. BMW
        BMW 28 September 2015 15: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Volzhanin
        our rulers behave like walking females


        A brilliant phrase. hi
    2. Olezhek
      Olezhek 28 September 2015 15: 07 New
      0
      For example, they can promise to lift all sanctions against Russia; enter a visa-free regime; tumble at its own expense in the development of the economy smoked billions of dollars; to provide all islanders with Japanese citizenship and appropriate privileges; to promise good lifting to those islanders who will not accept Japan and leave for the mainland; to invest in economic and industrial projects in Russia (there are projects for example Disneyland in Vladivostok and a high-speed railway line Vladivostok-Khabarovsk), which they are currently doing in principle;


      Once again, I advise you not to dream, but to study the official Japanese position / opinion of the Japanese population on the subject on the net ..
      There is no "celebration of generosity" planned.
      According to the population of Japan, the return of the islands is a matter of course.
      For this ONET will sign a PEACE AGREEMENT.
      EVERYTHING.

      And how some young girls think that for the night of the most precious love they will be "mountains of gold"
      And FIG you - 100 baksiv and prjuvet !! hi

      Live in the real world !!

      Highway Kryzhopil-Osaka ...
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 29 September 2015 04: 51 New
        0
        I gave only examples, no more.
        Quote: Olezhek
        japan population
        You wanted to say officials of Japan. Most Japanese do not know about these Kuriles.
        Quote: Olezhek
        RETURN OF THE ISLANDS - This is a fact of course.
        For this ONET will sign a PEACE AGREEMENT.
        Nope. The Japanese are well aware that this is not enough for a deal on the islands. They need much more than the Kuril Islands than a peace treaty (its absence has not prevented trade with Japan over the past few decades). Therefore, options are being worked out for additional tasty gingerbread for our government and the population of the Kuril Islands.
        Quote: Olezhek
        Live in the real world !!
        We live and do not harbor illusions.
        1. Olezhek
          Olezhek 29 September 2015 10: 14 New
          0
          You wanted to say officials of Japan. Most Japanese do not know about these Kuriles.


          I know it is not for nothing that links were thrown - almost all Japanese know about it. Excites them it is not very.
          BUT the aggregate position is the islands of THEIR. They do not want to fight for them yet.
          Something like this...
          you see, it is always useful to familiarize yourself with the position of the other party, and not to invent it.


          Nope The Japanese are well aware that this is not enough for a deal on the islands. They need Kurils much more than a peace treaty to us (the absence of trade with Japan over the past decades has not prevented its absence). Therefore, additional options are being worked out. delicious gingerbread for our government and the very people of the Kuriles.


          Read more - once again - read articles on this topic in Japanese English-language newspapers.
          and comments to them.
          The official position of the Land of the Rising Sun is as hard as granite and as cold.
          Understands - this is not MY - this Japanese position.
          It is not necessary to invent something and read other people's thoughts ..
          What gingerbread? The Japanese are generally familiar with the concept of "gingerbread" ???
  21. 23424636
    23424636 28 September 2015 10: 59 New
    +2
    the article is of course custom-made and clearly smacks of the preparation for the existence of certain options for concessions. The author forgets that Russia still has the old law of Peter the Great — not to give Russia an inch of land in peacetime
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 28 September 2015 11: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: 23424636
      Russia still has the old law of Peter the Great - don’t give an inch of Russia’s land in peacetime
      How many times have they violated it ...
    2. 97110
      97110 28 September 2015 12: 31 New
      0
      Quote: 23424636
      The author forgets that Russia still has the old law of Peter the 1st — not an inch of the land of Russia should be given in peacetime

      Did Peter the Great accept him before or after the demise of Taganrog? Rather, I will believe in the decree "... to have the appearance of being brave and silly, so as not to embarrass the authorities with our own intelligence." Peter is then Great, so as not to limit himself once again.
      1. Captain nemo
        Captain nemo 29 September 2015 00: 05 New
        0
        Quote: 97110
        Did Peter the Great accept him before or after the demise of Taganrog?

        Was the decision to remove him in peacetime?
  22. Olezhek
    Olezhek 28 September 2015 11: 53 New
    -2
    http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/residents-of-russian-held-isles
    -await-diplomatic-resolution # comment_2062923

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/japan-must-recognise-kuril-isla
    nds-for-peace-deal-lavrov # comment_2063006

    Especially for Komrad people who speak English without a dictionary - I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the current JAPAN
    position on this issue ... repeat
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    2. Olezhek
      Olezhek 29 September 2015 10: 28 New
      0
      The minus is weird ..
      I just have 2's summer experience in dealing with Japanese comrades on this site, mainly on the subject of Russia and its foreign policy.
      (on a voluntary basis, I explain the policy of Putin- on Syria in Ukraine ..)
      ((mini-pseudo Peskov)) (((collect tons of minuses))))
      One of the main sub-themes - naturally - the islands ...
      So a little aware and do not cherish illusions ..
      The theme of the islands floats there every month.
      1. 97110
        97110 29 September 2015 21: 42 New
        0
        Quote: Olezhek
        The minus is weird ..

        Get used to not paying attention.
  23. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 28 September 2015 11: 59 New
    +1
    each side will try to understand how much the opponent is really ready to make concessions

    Those who do not understand the concessions will be only on our part, our Foreign Ministry does not require anything from Japan, in principle, nothing at all, we have no complaints against the Japanese, they only require. There is even a special picture, for the illiterate, our islands are given to the Japanese, and from their bounties they leave us half of one of our four islands, in truth - the kindest people, and they could also demand Sakhalin back. I suspect ahead of us is another brilliant diplomatic victory of the best of the ministers. Although evil tongues say that Shevarnadze was the best, but what years he has made up for Lavrov, they have already given the sea to the Norwegians, they’ve sent the Svalbard in the process, they gave me the grass on Amur, Siberia is in the process, now they’ll "settle" with Japan and there will probably be a complete set. Further only satisfy the territorial claims of the Baltic Limitrophs, this is efficiency.
    "no winner - no loser"
    This is generally five. No, you don’t understand the winner, no one smashed the Kwantung army, no one signed the documents of surrender. The winners have gone somewhere, some misfortune, you are looking for understand laurels, you are looking for understand Putin, all eyes have been overlooked, they cannot understand. I recommend going to the military registration and enlistment offices, probably a couple of thousand winners are still alive, they will advise the "fathers of the nation", as there were, who won whom.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 28 September 2015 14: 49 New
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      Although evil tongues claim that the best was Shevardnadze, but what years Lavrov will catch up, the sea has already been given to Norway, Spitsbergen is in process, China has been given to Cupid, Siberia is in process, now it will be “settled” with Japan and will probably be a complete set.


      Hello Ukraine! How are you there ?? lol
  24. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 28 September 2015 12: 10 New
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    Our diplomats cannot clearly say - go to the buoy, quick-eyed. The topic is closed. Our islands! As long as Russia exists!
    Fukushima is not enough for them? We can add a little!
  25. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 28 September 2015 16: 50 New
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    give the smokers - lock up the fleet in the sea without going out to the quiet .. that's why SASAT yapondosy
  26. sckk
    sckk 28 September 2015 17: 55 New
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    The Japs should bombard the Kuril Islands with cheap goods, then secure and hold a referendum there on the return of historical territories home. All should be provided by green Japanese little men - a ninja. No need to invent anything - everyone invented the Russian leadership. And then screaming - while trying to smoke, I translate for Russians - I translate the nyash-meat of our Kuril Islands (along Poklonskaya). Then hand out the medal to everyone - for the return of the Kuril Islands, and all other crap.
    1. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 29 September 2015 00: 16 New
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      Quote: sckk
      and hold a referendum there on the return of historical territories home.

      Your pearls about the referendum among the Russians in Kaliningrad and the Kuril Islands are killing me all the time on your censor, stubbornly denying among the patriots of Ukraine the fact of the forced deportation of the German and Japanese population from these territories in 1945.
      I would not refuse such referenda, and without the green men, but only all the trouble at your expense.
      Someone who is sure that the results of the referendum will be exactly the same as in the Crimea should not pay for someone else's stupidity.
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  27. Balagan
    Balagan 28 September 2015 17: 55 New
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    Surrender of the Kuril Islands - it will finally be a krantets. The surrender of the islands to China was somehow chewed under the guise of friendship. Although China is neither a friend nor an enemy to us. If only they didn’t start establishing such a “friendship” with an unsinkable aircraft carrier ...
    Steeper than just the Korean version)))
  28. Balagan
    Balagan 28 September 2015 17: 59 New
    +1
    The same Korean version wassat
  29. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 28 September 2015 20: 46 New
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    It's time to take the islands of the South Sakhalin ridge right up to the island of Kushu or further. In this case, the Japanese claim to the South Kuril Islands will die out on their own, because in Great Russia all the islands will belong to the Japanese themselves! smile
  30. Olezhek
    Olezhek 28 September 2015 20: 49 New
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    Tsushima ..



    What can row to the Kuril Islands ...
  31. Olezhek
    Olezhek 28 September 2015 21: 20 New
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    Opponent need to know in person .... soldier

    After watching this video, you can estimate how the invasion of the Kuriles will look like ...
  32. nomad74
    nomad74 28 September 2015 23: 56 New
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    For the Japanese, the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905 was won by the industry of Britain and America, as well as by pumping up loans to the Japanese industry and political support for aggression by these countries, all the same with Hitler Germany, whose ears stick out? Everybody knows.
  33. Toorik
    Toorik 29 September 2015 01: 21 New
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    Japan .... by force capture the smokers ... ??? They are much smarter than some comrades from a neighboring state and will not enter into confrontation with the Russian Federation ....
  34. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 29 September 2015 01: 28 New
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    I read the article and ... I wanted to review the film "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes the Profession".
    Now I will speak not only on my own behalf, but also on behalf of our ancestor "Prince Miloslavsky."
    So:
    "What's the matter, comrades? I ask you, precious ones, what's the matter?"
    I wanted to "squander state lands? Give the Kuril volost? So you can’t save any volosts!"
    Our heroic ancestors of their valuable great blood collected, collected - so that we are all p.p.so.s.r.a.l.i?
    Well, of course - not just like that, but for the money!
    So what?
    "So I'm waiting for an answer to my question?"
    It seems our power - "demons seized" ... demons of profit and betrayal.
    "The king knows what he is doing - the state will not become poor"?
    So I want to "bark at them - oh-o-o-o-n"!
    "How do we allow" this? Are we military people, seriously discussing on these pages the question - How many pieces of silver will we get by selling part of the Russian land? For money or for pop corn technology?
    For Assad, you see, they are ready to sacrifice Russian soldiers .. but for their holy Russian land - do not, they say, quarrel and the moment, you see, is difficult ..
    Brad!
    And what right do our superior temporary workers have to “sign such documents” as transferring our land to their historical enemy?
    No, really! - "Since they took it ... not to give them back?"
    I advise: to revise this film and no longer drool over the question - who owns our Kuril Islands?
    In general: "move your eyebrows" and take care of the Russian land!
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 29 September 2015 01: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: kunstkammer
      (Ahhhhh !! Guard, rob !!!)

      Dear, you read the article. It was written by someone Igor Kabardin. Does this name tell you anything? wink

      Nowhere (even in an article written by Igor Kabardin) does it say that someone wants to give something to someone. It is not written that the Japanese want something - so they want it from (attention!) Of 1945.

      Well, God would be with them .. let them .. want yes

      Something like this..
      1. kunstkammer
        kunstkammer 29 September 2015 04: 40 New
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        let them .. want
        I still remember how Russian soldiers were dying for our land - the small Damansky Peninsula. And the protection of the span of the native land did not cause doubts or discussions then - even in the kitchens. And already in our time, quietly quietly they gave everything for which our soldiers were dying in those recent times. And let anyone say anything about the “fraternal Chinese” people (Ukraine was also given Crimea to the fraternal people). As in the case of Crimea then, and then Damansky later, so with the Kuril Islands in the future, after that, we will be “explained” about the wise decision of the rulers. Therefore, it is necessary to fundamentally suppress even the idea of ​​"trading" our land! Py.Sy. And under some such "peace" treaty with Germany, France and Poland seized the original German lands? The winners decided so _ and that’s it! Now Germany may be and would buy back these lands - but try it, just give a hint about it! The groan of the Poles and the French will rise utterly. Well, what about us? And here you can calmly discuss - for how much and what you can sell ... Shame!
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 29 September 2015 12: 07 New
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          Quote: kunstkammer
          it is necessary to fundamentally suppress even the thought of "trading" in our land

          With all due respect to you, let me remind you once again: this “thought” still wanders only in the sore brain of the author of the article.

          Quote: kunstkammer
          And here you can safely discuss - for how much and what you can sell ..

          On the Internet, and not discuss that .. The dog barks, the wind - wears ..

          hi
  35. Olezhek
    Olezhek 29 September 2015 12: 39 New
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    In general, in fact - this is a brilliant design of the Yankees:
    Kuril Islands and the evolution of the peace treaty project
    - There was such an article - an idea - not to allow Russia and Japan to cooperate.
    That's why the Kurils were invented ... AND ONLY for this ..
    This is not an accident.
    Designed - ingeniously - If Russia vdruk gives 4 island - it loses access to the Pacific Ocean
    for the Pacific Fleet and the exclusive access to the resources of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk ...
    (no one in Moscow will do this)
    And if he refuses - endless conflict with obstinate Japanese.
    BUT even if Moscow gave away all 4 islands to the city, we are provoking
    Russia-Japan conflict and pushing samurai ON to the north!
    The work of a great master! The victim just nowhere to go!


    By the way, just the same “Kuril ridge” was erected between Germany and Russia before our eyes.
    1 Promoting Tortilla Tortilla in Germany's Chancellors (near East German Komsomol)
    2 Throwing her bait in the form of Ukraine (neither Hitler nor William II could, but you Toritlochka can !!) love
    3 Tortilla stupidly swallows the bait .. lol
    4 PROFIT !!!

    Germany-Russia relations before almost cloudless (there are no questions left on WWII)
    spoil for a long time. (Germany will not let out the bait from his mouth, even spitting blood)

    Do not underestimate our American partners - they are also the masters of "multi-paths".
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 29 September 2015 13: 25 New
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      If someone does not understand the way out for Russia from the Ukrainian trap either.
      (full exit)
      Yes, the Black Sea Fleet is now safe. Yes, the pipe is almost not relevant.
      Yes, Russia no longer needs to subsidize Ukraine - these are the problems of Germany ...
      But as we all understand - the complete elimination of Russia from the Ukrainian affairs can not be physically.
      at about the sunset of socialism, the GDR received a sudden loan from BAVARIA!
      and here and there-the Germans .. albeit on a different side of the iron curtain ..

      Anyone who understands politics a little will understand that this is completely absurd and impossible
      for Russia, completely cut itself off from Ukrainian affairs.

      But this is what will fuel the ongoing conflict with Germany ...
      Which SUDDENLY already considers Ukraine to be a zone of its interests.

      So it will be an unhealed abscess ...
      And out of the blue - what to say - the work of the master ...

      The main task of the Yankees was to tighten the Germans in the Zapadensk swamp - which they did ..
      Now, with ANY layout of cards - Russia is a deadly enemy for freshly baked
      owner of the "country of Ukraine".

      Just like in the Far East - a compromise is impossible in principle.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 29 September 2015 13: 59 New
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        Of course, you can ask: And how can Russia influence the fully Russophobic state, which even cancels flights with Moscow ???
        The trouble of Ukraine is that it is not the Kuriles - there are many people
        and not South Korea - there will definitely not be a technological miracle.
        None of the Ukrainians subscribed to live in Africa - and the new Vlad clearly promised
        European standards for quality of life.

        So the problem is that too many there are Russian-speaking ..
        Those. There is still a problem in West Germany multiplied by 10
        Monolingual country with a much higher standard of living ..
        North Korea South Korea ..

        And no one can forbid in the Russian-speaking Internet and TV space to discuss the problems of Ukraine.
        But the German news agencies and bloggers have nothing to say,
        in any case, it is convincing to prove to a Kiev resident why he should live on 200 dollars a month they cannot.
        Those. we have a classic ideological diversion
        (Eastern voices tell how the Germans rob Ukraine)

        For Berlin - it's tryndets.
        But it’s absolutely impossible to provide a standard of living in Ukraine even in Latvia - from an economic point of view ...

        So most likely Ukraine - North Korea No. 2 - will cut off the Internet and collect plates from the roofs.
        Or stupid will be planted for visiting Russian sites .. (scary, yes ??) belay
  36. iov
    iov 7 October 2015 04: 58 New
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    Quote: Olezhek
    I agree - and the maps in the article are still more ambiguous ...

    I don’t agree .... I myself live on Sakhalin ... I was on ships that often call at Japanese ports ... So, on all the maps bought in Japan - Japanese Kurils ..... Ps And on modern maps of the PRC - all of Ukraine is the territory of the Russian Federation, so)