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RT: US Air Force Command taught its pilots how to respond to criticism of F-35

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The fighter of the new generation F-35 was so unsuccessful that the US Air Force commanders had to print out the instructions ordering the pilots to respond to the criticism of the aircraft “correctly” and in the same way, reports Look with reference to the channel RT.




According to the channel, American publications leaked information that the Air Force pilots had “instructions to prescribe how to explain the need for a new fighter and counteract its negative media coverage.” The document was published by an American blogger, considered one of the leading military analysts.

Military personnel, in particular, are taught to respond to criticism and tricky questions about the aircraft. “For example, if someone claims that the F-35 is useless in close combat and cannot maneuver, it should be answered that the tests are not yet complete and it is too early to draw conclusions. If they ask, is it true that the helmets are too big and heavy, you need to answer that the pilots never complain, ”retells the RT instruction.

Attempts to improve the image of the car are quite understandable against the background of numerous reports of malfunctions, deficiencies and fantastic expenses.

According to one of the participants of the development, Pierre Spray, the instruction "indicates the despair of aircraft designers."

“The worse things are with the plane, the more necessary it is PR. Considering the fact that a lot of information has appeared about the failures of the F-35 model, it’s not surprising that PR people are working tirelessly, ”he told the RT channel.

“All this is written in newspapers, on the Internet, in specialized publications. So the F-35 is getting worse and worse. And it is not surprising that the PR leaders of the Air Force are taking more and more desperate measures and even impose, if I may say so, the “party line”: what to say and what to think, ”the engineer added.

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  1. azbukin77
    azbukin77 26 September 2015 10: 01 New
    13
    Well, what else does the “mattress” have to do, how not to praise its woof ... oh, the money is cut!
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 26 September 2015 10: 10 New
      20
      Something too much anti-PR

      Wouldn't it be easier to wait for practical results

      In addition, it is still unknown how our plane will show itself.

      In general, somehow it is more and more like commercial advertising companies.

      1. Andrea
        Andrea 26 September 2015 11: 10 New
        +6
        Quote: bulvas
        Something too much anti-PR
        Wouldn't it be easier to wait for practical results
        In addition, it is still unknown how our plane will show itself.
        In general, somehow it is more and more like commercial advertising companies.
        Something long waiting for the results?
        The plane obviously didn’t succeed, but the gentlemen had already successfully planted it on the Allies — this is PR!
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 26 September 2015 12: 04 New
          10
          I put a fat minus in the article, and I have no regrets about it negative ! Enough to draw conclusions about any aircraft, until he was in hostilities. I understand that the Penguin is a problem plane, but to blame it every time, to write that he is ..... oh, it's too much! How do we know how he will show himself in hostilities? Maybe it will be unsuccessful as it was written here, or maybe it will turn out to be a rather successful combat vehicle? Everything is possible!
          PS I do not care about the minuses, I write what I think sad !
          1. shuhartred
            shuhartred 26 September 2015 19: 38 New
            +7
            Quote: supertiger21
            Enough to draw conclusions about any aircraft, until he was in hostilities. I understand that the Penguin is a problem plane, but to blame it every time, to write that he is ..... oh, it's too much! How do we know how he will show himself in hostilities? Maybe it will be unsuccessful as it was written here, or maybe it will turn out to be a rather successful combat vehicle? Everything is possible!

            If even one of our project of military equipment gathered so much negativity and resulted in such money, I’m even afraid to imagine comments. I’m silent about the plane itself, because it’s not a specialist, we are talking about the situation in general. Shoals of the plane before .... but on the forum he is stubbornly prophesying a bright future, stressing that we do not have one. Question: what for to us such hemorrhoids cost all our military budget ????
          2. ivanych
            ivanych 26 September 2015 22: 10 New
            +1
            .... whatever you call it, it will fly. Penguin. he is the Penguin. All past tests have shown that he is worse than the same F-22.
            1. supertiger21
              supertiger21 26 September 2015 22: 38 New
              -1
              Quote: ivanych
              All past tests have shown that it is worse than the same F-22.


              And with what way should it be better than the F-22? I hope you are aware that fighters are divided into a heavy and light class ?!

              .... whatever you call it, it will fly. Penguin. he is the Penguin.


              LTH, avionics and stealth technology Penguin interested, read in any articles?
              1. shuhartred
                shuhartred 27 September 2015 12: 36 New
                +1
                Quote: supertiger21
                I hope you are aware that fighters are divided into a heavy and light class ?!

                Sorry to get in, but I suddenly became curious. I don’t know at all which class the F-35 belongs to, in my opinion they are trying to make a "universal soldier" out of it, and the Swiss and the reaper and all the pi..ec. But, based on what I heard about the tasks imputed to him, if it is a light fighter, then I am a Martian. request
                1. supertiger21
                  supertiger21 27 September 2015 15: 02 New
                  -1
                  Quote: shuhartred
                  Sorry to get in, but I suddenly became curious. I don’t know at all which class the F-35 belongs to, in my opinion they are trying to make a "universal soldier" out of it, and the Swiss and the reaper and all the pi..ec. But, based on what I heard about the tasks imputed to him, if it is a light fighter, then I am a Martian.


                  You would have to read more scientific and technical literature about the F-35, you can not draw conclusions about it on political issues.
                  1. Gouging
                    Gouging 27 September 2015 17: 46 New
                    0
                    I am not particularly a "scientific and technical" expert. In general, no, to be honest. With this ill-fated F-35, the Americans tried to overtake their time. Not a damn thing, to be honest. Vertical takeoff-landing-maneuverability-invisibility. They wanted too much, this does not happen yet. Looks like the X-Files. Our emphasis is on speed, armament, and over-maneuverability. And "invisibility" for ours is nothing more than laughter. It will be visible.
                    1. Scraptor
                      Scraptor 29 September 2015 12: 04 New
                      0
                      Rather, 25-35 years behind.
                  2. Scraptor
                    Scraptor 29 September 2015 12: 02 New
                    0
                    And what do you mean by scientific and technical literature about the F-35 and how to find it? lol

                    You can immediately draw conclusions about him by his appearance (aerodynamics) and the fact that with him he has only one engine instead of two, like the F-22.
        2. Sterlya
          Sterlya 26 September 2015 19: 45 New
          -1
          I do not know. American is all expensive. but thought out usually. you can’t argue with that
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 26 September 2015 15: 22 New
        +4
        He closed his eyes and whispered "Lord, I’m in the movie" Die Hard 3 or 4 doesn’t matter "He is so cool (f35) 15 years ago, when he was once. For some reason my plane is the most reliable, in the sense of providing gold. Every pilot whispers under your breath.
        F 35 is the "golden iron". Ha ha ha Israel IT WILL (BUY) And probably give praise!
    2. fox21h
      fox21h 26 September 2015 10: 11 New
      +7
      Quote: azbukin77
      Well, what else does the “mattress” have to do, how not to praise its woof ... oh, the money is cut!

      They have enough of their own "serious" ones, only taking into account the budget there are much more
    3. Lyton
      Lyton 26 September 2015 11: 56 New
      +2
      It looks like a mattress instruction sounds translated into Russian as "stupid himself."
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    5. SAG
      SAG 26 September 2015 13: 04 New
      +2
      I had to print instructions instructing pilots to respond to criticism of aircraft “correctly”
      Then print and distribute to each resident of the United States "How to respond to criticism of the policy of Pendostan"
      1. AKESHA
        AKESHA 26 September 2015 19: 43 New
        +2
        something like that probably
    6. papas-57
      papas-57 26 September 2015 21: 43 New
      0
      '' The new generation F-35 fighter was so unsuccessful that the US Air Force command had to print instructions instructing the pilots to respond to criticism of aircraft “correctly” and monotonously. '' Instructions for all occasions. Pilots have one, Psaki has others, her followers have third. But the essence of the instructions is the same - to answer questions “correctly” and monotonously, so that they would lag behind with uncomfortable questions.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 27 September 2015 10: 33 New
        0
        Muddy plane. Somehow, it is hard to believe that a country that freely bombes anyone for its lost profit will start investing extreme money in a frankly unsuccessful project.
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  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 26 September 2015 10: 05 New
    18
    Writes a Look with reference to RT, which refers to American publications, which leaked a document from one American blogger. laughing Shary loves such schemes.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 26 September 2015 10: 13 New
      10
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Shary loves such schemes.


      Hello Zheka ... they did not come across a Russian instruction ..

      point one and only ..

      1. for the bazaar s.uka answer ...

      laughing
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 26 September 2015 10: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: vorobey
        1. for the bazaar s.uka answer ...

        Tough, but right. Great, Sanya. drinks
      2. figwam
        figwam 26 September 2015 10: 18 New
        +7
        There is still a point for American pilots that they will all die on the best airplanes in the world.
        1. alexng
          alexng 26 September 2015 11: 28 New
          +3
          Quote: figvam
          There is still a point for American pilots that they will all die on the best airplanes in the world.


          ... it will be more correct: well, on very expensive aircraft. Three-wheeled coffin - "invisible".
      3. WUA 518
        WUA 518 26 September 2015 10: 42 New
        +8
        Quote: vorobey
        point one and only ..

        1. for the bazaar s.uka answer.

        Hi Sasha. She answered: Assistant Head of the US Department of State Victoria Nuland for European and Asian Affairs was struck by a stroke and resulting paralysis. This was reported with reference to the BBC by the online newspaper NEWS.BCM.ru.
        "US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland was taken to St. Francis Hospital in New York State after a stroke, which resulted in partial paralysis of the right side of the body and slurred speech," the reporters said.
        1. Riv
          Riv 26 September 2015 10: 47 New
          +2
          Strong witchcraft Lavrov?
        2. Riv
          Riv 26 September 2015 10: 47 New
          0
          Strong witchcraft Lavrov?
        3. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 26 September 2015 11: 19 New
          +7
          Quote: WUA 518
          Victoria Nuland, assistant to the head of the US Department of State for European and Asian Affairs, was struck by a stroke and resulting paralysis.

          It’s bad, of course, to say so, but God marks the assault.
        4. vorobey
          vorobey 26 September 2015 12: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: WUA 518
          Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Asian Affairs, suffered a stroke and paralysis


          You know Sanya ... it’s a sin to laugh ... so I wish her health, recovery, recovery ... let her live longer from stroke to stroke ... comes from bile and hatred but lives ...

          our friend Odessitka posted such a note ... to kill the enemy skill - to make him shoot himself art ... I added a little question, but what then makes him live stuttering ... let him stutter ...

          Koment changed I wink
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 26 September 2015 13: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: vorobey
            Koment changed I


            who climbed .. Romanov are you ... I’ll kill the bastard ...
        5. Andrea
          Andrea 26 September 2015 12: 41 New
          0
          The dumplings did not go in vain.
        6. tiheros
          tiheros 26 September 2015 20: 14 New
          +1
          Her speech was not very intelligible before. So, from the point of view of professional abilities, she didn’t really lose that, and it is quite possible that she even acquired it.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 26 September 2015 22: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: tiheros
            Her speech was not very intelligible before. So, from the point of view of professional abilities, she didn’t really lose that, and it is quite possible that she even acquired it.


            offset ... plus ... smart woman is silent more ... laughing
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 26 September 2015 11: 42 New
      +8
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Writes a Look with reference to RT, which refers to American publications, in which a document was leaked from an American blogger. laughing Shary loves such schemes.

      Brilliantly. fellow Having read these lines too, I immediately switched to reading comments. laughing
  3. DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 26 September 2015 10: 05 New
    +6
    Whoever doesn’t do PR to his weapons, that’s all. Our with armatures and Pak fa, Ukrainians with strongholds, well, the Americans are still classic PR specialists.
    1. Tor5
      Tor5 26 September 2015 10: 52 New
      +1
      It is in tradition. No one canceled the laws of PR.
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  4. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 26 September 2015 10: 06 New
    +2
    I expected something similar)))
  5. stayer
    stayer 26 September 2015 10: 06 New
    +3
    Everything will put in its place a real air battle with a real enemy. Here at least zapyaryaetsya, if the plane is speaking, then it will be so.
  6. cayman gene
    cayman gene 26 September 2015 10: 06 New
    17
    baby, if he says that your airplane is bullshit, answer that he doesn’t have one.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 26 September 2015 11: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Cayman Gena
      baby, if he says that your airplane is bullshit, answer that he doesn’t have one.


      This is the best commentary on the article and most importantly on the comments here.

      One plus set, and another 10 would add


  7. demo
    demo 26 September 2015 10: 07 New
    +1
    So that is all.
    Sorry for the Americans.
    But it all started so well.
    And now you have a training manual and teach.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 26 September 2015 18: 09 New
      0
      So that is all.
      Sorry for the Americans. ,,
      but why feel sorry for them, the last thing I read about 35, the Norwegians seem to buy either 40 or 45 pieces.
  8. Old warrior
    Old warrior 26 September 2015 10: 15 New
    0
    Shaw? Does it still fly ???? what
    1. demon1978
      demon1978 26 September 2015 10: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Old Warrior
      Shaw? Does it still fly ????


      Taki yes !!! yes But low and not far request
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 26 September 2015 12: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: demon1978
        Taki yes !!! But low and not far


        The combat radius without 1100 km is not far away, the ceiling of 18 km is also very low !! Yes Yes! fellow
  9. Altona
    Altona 26 September 2015 10: 17 New
    +8
    We have already come up with a training manual for PR F-35 on the forum, I can even give you a few points:
    1) But he will replace a whole group of different aircraft - F-16, attack aircraft A-10, F / A-18 and others like that;
    2) It is terribly innovative, so the abundance of stocks is understandable;
    3) He has more sensitive sensor systems and radars than PAK FA and other Russian fighters;
    4) The aircraft help bring the Japanese, Koreans, Israelis and other helpers, and this hoo and hey-gee;
    5) The plane will simplify the supply system and reduce its cost ... Maybe;
    6) Flyers will learn to control one platform;
    7) The plane will be released in a hundred copies and it is an occupation ... Maybe;
    8) The aircraft carries more advanced missiles than competitors, but damn little ...

    Here are some such arguments that Israeli colleagues will now come up with .. laughing
    1. dauria
      dauria 26 September 2015 10: 31 New
      +2
      Here are some such arguments that Israeli colleagues will now come up with ..


      I’m not a Jew, but I’ll add one fad (what's the number? 9?)

      9 . Airplane is part of the overall system, and outside of it is just a good fighter bomber. All advantages - in the interaction in the "pack" and with the "earth".
      10. The USA still has the best practices, technologies and people, but in our country, in addition to arrogance, what?

      By the way, you will not bother directly on points (well, except, perhaps, absolutely ridiculous No. 1) to refute? smile

      Well, from history, Stalin did not hesitate to copy from the Germans, British and Americans the successful nodes and entire planes, even after the war.
      1. Altona
        Altona 26 September 2015 10: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: dauria
        By the way, you will not bother directly on points (well, except, perhaps, absolutely ridiculous No. 1) to refute?

        ----------------------
        Why ridiculous? I didn’t come up with this point ... And to refute, everything has been refuted for a long time ... As for working in the group, for so long the planes in the group have been working, this is not a 5th generation chip ... As for the rebuttals, I can only list the jambs
        1) Weak power ratio, the ratio of engine thrust and aircraft mass, hence the poor speed;
        2) Weak landing gear, due to which the plane lands dangerously;
        3) Too expensive pilot helmet (500-800 kilogrines);
        4) The plane is only 50% ready according to the statements of the developers themselves, nevertheless, it is time to send it to the troops ...
        That is, for a number of parameters, the plane is not the 5th generation, but in general there are full articles, read for yourself ...
        1. dauria
          dauria 26 September 2015 10: 59 New
          -5
          .About the work in the group, so long ago the planes in the group have been working, this is not a 5th generation chip.


          smile And all the planes have been flying since the Wright brothers.
          It's about a joint and single space for detecting, distributing targets and using weapons. And the corresponding REO on each element of the GENERAL system.

          but in general there are a lot of articles, read for yourself ...

          I read a bunch, from "shit" to "gold"
          The most amazing thing is that we will have to copy it in addition to our T-50.
          1. Altona
            Altona 26 September 2015 13: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: dauria
            I read a bunch, from "shit" to "gold"
            The most amazing thing is that we will have to copy it in addition to our T-50.

            ---------------------
            What exactly to copy? You somehow be more specific? You are a lazy forum member, you read such and such articles, but ask me to refute my theses ... What kind of infantilism is this and a complete lack of memory? Do you want to hang labels? I do not advise, lazy troll !!
          2. Altona
            Altona 26 September 2015 13: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: dauria
            It's about a joint and single space for detecting, distributing targets and using weapons. And the corresponding REO on each element of the GENERAL system.

            --------------------
            You see about ACS systems that are older than me, you never heard anything at all ... So get on, "a man of the pack" ... AWACS and radar reconnaissance systems have been used for a long time and any plane is not a thing in itself, and part of the ACS complex, that is, it is always connected with a ground control gear or AWACS ...
          3. dali
            dali 26 September 2015 15: 08 New
            0
            Quote: dauria
            The most amazing thing is that we will have to copy it in addition to our T-50.


            So I neighing ... laughing laughing laughing

            Not ... of course it happens that we don’t do our best, but the western one, which is worse copied ... but I think the military will have enough intelligence not to do this in the defense industry:
            As an example, copying the IBM360 system ... thank God that the military did not use this crap, and Elbrus controlled the missile shield, now it’s newer of course ...
        2. Kosta
          Kosta 26 September 2015 12: 12 New
          +2
          The famous 600.000 helmets contract is a contract to transfer avionics production to Australia. The rest is still far-fetched
          But this is your opinion and your list, so be it.

          The article is generally some kind of yellow press, I don’t know why they are published on TV. Probably so that those who write the first URA will receive 100 pluses and become a marshal
          1. Altona
            Altona 26 September 2015 13: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Kosta
            The famous 600.000 helmets contract is a contract to transfer avionics production to Australia. The rest is still far-fetched
            But this is your opinion and your list, so be it.

            -----------------
            I made a list of theses that were really voiced on the forum, your position is ordinary snobbery ...
          2. Altona
            Altona 26 September 2015 13: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Kosta
            The article is generally some kind of yellow press, I don’t know why they are published on TV. Probably so that those who write the first URA will receive 100 pluses and become a marshal

            ---------------------------
            In general, you can get into my profile and read what I publish ... No need to build a know-it-all snob ...
          3. Altona
            Altona 26 September 2015 13: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: Kosta
            The famous 600.000 helmets contract is a contract to transfer avionics production to Australia. The rest is still far-fetched

            --------------------
            The pilot’s helmet is not the 4K TV that you bought, hanged and enjoy life, but the element of military equipment that is actively used and imagine, can fail ... And if he can’t find a replacement. then you will fight with "far-fetched ears" ...
            1. Kosta
              Kosta 26 September 2015 14: 09 New
              0
              Everything can fail, this does not negate the fact that fairy tales about 600 for a helmet-delirium.
              I didn’t address it to you at all, I can throw you a dozen such marshals if you don’t believe me. and then compare their comments with those of bongo, opus, ascetic, and many others.
        3. supertiger21
          supertiger21 26 September 2015 13: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Altona
          1) Weak power ratio, the ratio of engine thrust and aircraft mass, hence the poor speed;


          The thrust ratio of the F-35A (Modifications B and C does not count) is 1,07 - which is more than, for example, the thrust ratio of the F-16.

          Quote: Altona
          2) Weak landing gear, due to which the plane lands dangerously;


          Which modification?

          Quote: Altona
          3) Too expensive pilot helmet (500-800 kilogrines);


          Perhaps for this price of a helmet, pilots will pay more for the convenience of warfare than without it.

          Quote: Altona
          4) The plane is only 50% ready according to the statements of the developers themselves, nevertheless, it is time to send it to the troops ...


          He is already being supplied to the troops. The first F-35B fighter regiment was adopted by the U.S. ILC on July 31, 2015.

          Quote: Altona
          That is, for a number of parameters, the plane is not the 5th generation, but in general there are full articles, read for yourself ...


          I agree here! The F-35 corresponds to the 5th generation in everything except two points: 1) it lacks super-maneuverability (which F-22, T-50 and J-20 possess); 2) does not possess cruising supersonic speed. But I think that the Americans did not deprive the Penguin of these two abilities not from what did not work out, but from understanding the redundancy of this, taking into account the experience of creating the F-22, which corresponded to all these points.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 26 September 2015 13: 48 New
            +1
             supertiger21 (2)  Today, 13:23 ↑ - -1 +


            And again, someone sneaked quietly and disappeared, without writing a word about what he did not agree with me ... laughing Minusator, speak out! I respect an alternative opinion! hi
            1. Altona
              Altona 26 September 2015 14: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: supertiger21
              And again, someone sneaked quietly and disappeared, without writing a word about what he did not agree with me ...

              -------------------
              Why secretly? I’ve already secretly wondered how many minuses I’ve stuck, I don’t even ask for what ... Although I don’t see anything besides stupid trolling ... If you want an alternative opinion, then explain to me the need for this gadget, or rather the entire line A, B and C ... how to apply these flying miracles with small ammunition. the size of an F-16, called strike aircraft? Where the designers have already turned inside with their fur to create an airplane with such poor characteristics, called the “main attack aircraft” ... Will there be a lot of them to beat with a “powerful pack” with “cloud data conversion”? So this is not a cheap Il-2 attack aircraft or T-34 tank ... What are the charms of this aircraft, or rather the entire line? The powerful radar that he carries is unclear why with the IR system? Stupid "penguin" fuselage, tightly shoved with a small ammunition? Well, tell me, lovers of the “alternative war” about the power of a new strike aircraft ... And where will this power be in a real, not forum war, adult way, with electronic warfare systems, ground-based air defense and other pleasures that the natives don’t have, who are used to fighting the United States?
              1. supertiger21
                supertiger21 26 September 2015 15: 20 New
                +1
                Quote: Altona
                Why secretly? But on the quiet, I’ve already wondered how many minuses I’ve stuck, I don’t even ask for what ...


                Well, they did speak out to you, and not just silently zamususut.


                Quote: Altona
                Although apart from stupid trolling I don’t see anything ...


                I myself do not approve of trolling.

                Quote: Altona
                If you want an alternative opinion, then explain to me in general the need for this gadget, or rather the entire line of A, B and C ...


                A - the standard modification of the F-35 for the US Air Force and most foreign countries, is considered the most powerful version of Lightning. B - the most exotic modification with GDP (I won’t explain what it is), intended for the United States Army, the British Air Force and the Italian Navy. C - marine modification (with folding wings and brake hook) for aircraft carriers of the US Navy. All this is done for the unification and cheapness of the total number of fighters in all military branches, with little damage to the specialization of the aircraft.

                Quote: Altona
                How to apply these flying miracles with small ammunition. the size of an F-16, called strike aircraft?


                In your 8000 kg combat load is a "small ammunition" ?? belay

                Quote: Altona
                The powerful radar that he carries is unclear why with the IR system?


                That is, radar with AFAR AN / APG-81 and 5 infrared sensors from all angles is not a serious force?

                Quote: Altona
                And where will this power be in a real, not forum war, grown-up, with electronic warfare systems, ground-based air defense and other pleasures that the natives who the US is used to fighting with do not have?


                This is a clear matter. Now, air battles do not take place as in the old days, 1 on 1, but with the direct participation of AWACS and EW aircraft.
                1. Altona
                  Altona 26 September 2015 17: 23 New
                  +1
                  Quote: supertiger21
                  A - the standard modification of the F-35 for the US Air Force and most foreign countries, is considered the most powerful version of Lightning. B - the most exotic modification with GDP (I won’t explain what it is), intended for the United States Army, the British Air Force and the Italian Navy. C - marine modification (with folding wings and brake hook) for aircraft carriers of the US Navy. All this is done for the unification and cheapness of the total number of fighters in all military branches, with little damage to the specialization of the aircraft.

                  --------------------------
                  And what are you minus for the same points? Do you somehow decide on the logic, colleagues of John McCain? What for the United States ILC is a separate plane? What type was?

                  That is, radar with AFAR AN / APG-81 and 5 infrared sensors from all angles is not a serious force?
                  --------------------------
                  Radar is not a force, but a means of reconnaissance and reconnaissance ...

                  PS As for the other characteristics and combat use, nothing is yet known, the plane has not shown itself in any way .. If it does, then it’s apparently like an over-praised Abrams tank ...
                  1. supertiger21
                    supertiger21 26 September 2015 17: 50 New
                    0
                    Quote: Altona
                    And what are you minus for the same points? Do you somehow decide on the logic, colleagues of John McCain? What for the United States ILC is a separate plane? What type was?


                    I also do not really understand their logic, but nevertheless, why then did they need Harrier? It didn’t start with the F-35.

                    Quote: Altona
                    Radar is not a force, but a means of reconnaissance and reconnaissance ...


                    But you did understand what I mean ?!

                    Quote: Altona
                    PS As for the other characteristics and combat use, nothing is yet known, the plane has not shown itself in any way .. If it does, then it’s apparently like an over-praised Abrams tank ...


                    What ?! M1 is a good tank. Two Iraq wars took place, having won a significant number of victories over other tanks (including the modern T-72), with much less casualties.
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 26 September 2015 17: 57 New
                      +1
                      Quote: supertiger21
                      I also do not really understand their logic, but nevertheless, why then did they need Harrier? It didn’t start with the F-35.

                      -------------------
                      Harrier was needed to take off from the deck ... The F-35B should also take off vertically to be used on stupid Italian and English vessels ... As for the combat load, 8000-9000 kg is certainly good, but then you are an ordinary bomb carrier, and not stealth .. In the internal compartments they carry only about 2000 kg ... We also had a vertical take-off Yak for no reason ...
                      1. supertiger21
                        supertiger21 26 September 2015 19: 29 New
                        0
                        Quote: Altona
                        Harrier was needed to take off from the deck ... F-35B must also take off vertically to be used on stupid Italian and English vessels ...


                        Yes it is, but vertical take-off itself is too complicated and costly. He spends a significant amount of fuel and even during the operation of the Harriers used a short take-off and landing. Therefore, I think that the F-35B will not use GDP. This is more window dressing than a necessary thing during hostilities.

                        Quote: Altona
                        As for the combat load, 8000-9000 kg is certainly good, but then you are an ordinary bomb carrier, not a stealth .. In the internal compartments they carry only about 2000 kg ...


                        Partly agree! Indeed, to accommodate all this load, the 35th will need to take rockets and bombs not only internal but also external suspension, and this will mean goodbye to stealth ... sad And there are only 4 internal compartments, which is relatively small. But this is when it comes to a full-fledged military operation, where the enemy has perfect ground-based air defense and worthy fighters. In wars against other Papuans, you can also fill in the external suspension without the risk of being discovered and shot down.

                        Quote: Altona
                        We also had a vertical take-off Yak for some reason ...


                        I agree! The Yak-38 was extremely unsuccessful, having a very limited combat radius and combat load. The Yak-141 was much more modern and successful, but for well-known reasons, it was never adopted.
                      2. shuhartred
                        shuhartred 27 September 2015 16: 44 New
                        0
                        Quote: supertiger21
                        In wars against other Papuans, you can also fill in the external suspension without the risk of being discovered and shot down.

                        What for in the war against the Papuans use a fifth generation fighter ??? belay For a show off or what? It’s like driving a tank for beer.
              2. dvg79
                dvg79 26 September 2015 18: 16 New
                0
                Thanks enlightened, the rake F111 does not give amers peace, you see, healed already. laughing
    2. Altona
      Altona 26 September 2015 10: 52 New
      -1
      Quote: dauria
      Well, from history, Stalin did not hesitate to copy from the Germans, British and Americans the successful nodes and entire planes, even after the war.

      ----------------------
      We also copy, and after Stalin we copied aviation missiles, for example ... There is nothing like that ... But the stealth technology was invented by us and dragged to the USA ... So what's your point? As the layout of the F-35 resembles the Yak-141 ... You really like to study the genesis of where it grew ...
      1. dauria
        dauria 26 September 2015 11: 10 New
        +2
        . So what's your point? As the layout of the F-35 resembles the Yak-141 ... You really like to study the genesis of where it grew ...


        I’ll even say more, I copied the VTOL rotary nozzle. But the thesis is simple - you need to catch up, wipe patriotic snot and catch up. And the point of shouting that all the elephants were born in Russia is stupid.
        And then in fact we’ll hear: “And you, the Papuans, have NO such
        1. Altona
          Altona 26 September 2015 13: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: dauria
          I’ll even say more, I copied the VTOL rotary nozzle. But the thesis is simple - you need to catch up, wipe patriotic snot and catch up. And the point of shouting that all the elephants were born in Russia is stupid.
          And then in fact we’ll hear: “And you, the Papuans, have NO such

          ----------------------------
          Some "elephants" were also born in Russia, why not, for example, in the field of radiotelephones, we were ahead of the rest, read about this too ... Finally, you read about the rotary nozzle, and it’s also a naked worship of the West ... If I am a "cheer patriot", which is generally doubtful, you are a naked troll ...
    3. Altona
      Altona 26 September 2015 13: 39 New
      0
      Quote: dauria
      Well, from history, Stalin did not hesitate to copy from the Germans, British and Americans the successful nodes and entire planes, even after the war.

      -----------------------
      In general, the thesis itself is interesting, to copy from a single-engine aircraft (the prototype of which we did) to a twin-engine ... Would you somehow unroll this thesis ...
  • oberon 1
    oberon 1 26 September 2015 10: 25 New
    -1
    This is their problem. Filed 150-160 units now suffer and money spent.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 26 September 2015 13: 33 New
      0
      Quote: oberon 1
      This is their problem. Filed 150-160 units now suffer and money spent.


      Yeah !! We are much smarter, they produced only 5 PAK FA, not like these d ...... - 150 Penguins !!! fellow
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 27 September 2015 16: 50 New
        0
        Quote: supertiger21
        Yeah !! We are much smarter, they produced only 5 PAK FA, not like these d ...... - 150 Penguins !!!

        And nothing that they had started before, and the dough from them immeasurably. You are so comparing as if the initial conditions were the same, but the Americans are great, and we, as always, are crooked and generally bast.
        1. BlackDragon
          BlackDragon 28 September 2015 00: 52 New
          0
          the main thing is not who compares with what the result.
  • Maksus
    Maksus 26 September 2015 10: 25 New
    +2
    A foreign contract I want that already ass star-striped bursting at the seams! Soon the pilots will be killed for sour faces at the thought of a "penguin"))))
  • X
    X Y Z 26 September 2015 10: 26 New
    +2
    In order not to be confused by American pilots, it is necessary to answer all the questions of the Western press monotonously "DOSAK itself." It is not difficult and quite true. laughing
  • APASUS
    APASUS 26 September 2015 10: 27 New
    +2
    Here's how to use the media. The plane did not win a single battle, it is rather a test model, it has a bunch of flaws, but the best in the world!
    The only and indisputable fact, so that it is the first of the 5th generation, the rest is excellent work of PR technologies
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 27 September 2015 16: 57 New
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Here's how to use the media. The plane did not win a single battle, it is rather a test model, it has a bunch of flaws, but the best in the world!

      There is no tax in the world, urrr-ya ur-yaya. Why not urapatriotism in the American way? Ours for such a thing ... will be eaten and amers are also praised. Well, of course, "an exceptional nation." Maybe Obama was not so wrong? After all, even in our forum, many choking with delight admire them and water all domestic with slops.
  • roskot
    roskot 26 September 2015 10: 31 New
    +8
    You won’t come, you won’t go, you don’t praise you will not sell.
    So, everything is learned in practice.
  • pv1005
    pv1005 26 September 2015 10: 33 New
    +3
    For all questions, the answers must be clarified in the office. yes
    1. Seryoga DV
      Seryoga DV 26 September 2015 13: 30 New
      +1
      after reading your comment, I caught myself thinking: how many maternity leave do they have there? boring)
  • simargl
    simargl 26 September 2015 10: 35 New
    0
    And before getting into the plane, cult followers are ordered to kneel and pray, which, according to the US Air Force command, significantly increases the TTX F35.
  • RomanS
    RomanS 26 September 2015 10: 40 New
    0
    The important thing is not what a plane can do. And that is what allies and opponents believe in. And they will use what is available.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 26 September 2015 10: 43 New
    +3
    The fact that the F35 fighter has not yet been proven by anyone in practice is basically a fighter scolded in articles referring to the developers and the US Department of Defense, so it may very well be that all of these articles, together with today's, are a good serve duck.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 26 September 2015 14: 51 New
      +1
      I’ll fully support it! There was such a TsKB-55 Aircraft then TsKB-57. Well, a worthless airplane. And what happened after refinement? It turned out IL-2, and then IL-10. The plane of the battlefield. For some reason, everyone scolds the raw unfinished car. But for some reason no one thinks about the words of A. Yakkovlev: "In the first machines we get a crude unfinished product that is constantly "We’ll only get modernized, contented and ready, finished car only when the time comes to replace it with a new one with the same bunch of different flaws. And what happens at the end no one knows."
    2. shuhartred
      shuhartred 27 September 2015 17: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Vadim237
      so it may very well be that all of these articles, together with today's, are a good serve duck.

      Desa? So even on the forum not everyone believes. What do they want to deceive intelligence in this way? Not that ours, the Mozambican one, will not behave. What is the point then? request
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 September 2015 10: 43 New
    +2
    I will say so ... Unsuccessful, but dangerous ...! They can stamp them, since there are unlimited fin. capabilities... hi
  • ararat
    ararat 26 September 2015 10: 45 New
    0
    F-35, although unfinished, they still consider themselves that is, the United States is the world leader on the planet, Russia needs to knock out this nonsense from them. Especially it is necessary to demonstrate our aircraft in Syria and what they are capable of.
  • Nymp
    Nymp 26 September 2015 10: 46 New
    0
    Imagine a telecast in the Amer media about the fact that the Russian PAKFA can do aerobatics such as not only their F-35, but also the other wings of the mattresses and never dreamed of! Incredible! This is understandable, the thing is different when they present our T-50 in their own and gay European media, then the F-35 is presented as the plane from which our PAKFA is "ripped off", and that’s already ... Well, they usually clean the face for that!
  • RU-Officer
    RU-Officer 26 September 2015 10: 47 New
    +2
    Well, what again are attached to the "mattress"? laughing They just started to master our achievements of the times of the USSR. wassat Well, give a vote to those who participated in the survey surveys when passing the final inspections of higher headquarters! The briefing is always one and the same: anytime, anywhere - we have all CHIKI-PUNKI! soldier
    1. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 26 September 2015 14: 53 New
      0
      Interesting: minus those who honestly "cut the truth-womb" to inspectors or those who are not in the subject (did not serve)? hi
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 September 2015 10: 51 New
    0
    That’s the problem with the engineering corps of the mattress, that efficient managers went about it by themselves. There is little competition, it has moved from the technical zone to the corridors of power and everything is decided by lobbyists and lawyers. Developments are becoming more expensive, their quality is falling. This is noticeable not only in the weapons theme, but especially in the weapons theme, since the money is budgetary, the products are secret, and while the real information that the new weapon is completely sucks will be known to everyone, it will take a long time, and either the check or ass...
  • Denis DV
    Denis DV 26 September 2015 10: 55 New
    +1
    And they roll a barrel to the USSR, but they have a party line brutal than the Soviet one. Advocates damn bright way.
  • varela
    varela 26 September 2015 10: 57 New
    0
    And they also hanged blacks once ...
  • Zheka40
    Zheka40 26 September 2015 10: 59 New
    -1
    And who shouted, But 150 made them, and PAK FA only passes the test? Woodpeckers, wait for the end of the test, and there we will see whose "opa is wider."
  • boroda64
    boroda64 26 September 2015 11: 01 New
    0
    .
    - "The US Air Force Command taught its pilots how to respond to criticism of the F-35"
    ..
    - with a difficult question / and they all are /
    - press the RED BUTTON - pskaki - answer ..
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 26 September 2015 11: 08 New
    +2
    Do not underestimate the mattress. In the information war they are ahead of us. Something is dirty here.
  • v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 26 September 2015 11: 12 New
    0
    Amers have their own adjusted way to sell their equipment: they give loans or help, which can only be used to purchase their weapons. An example is Israel.
    So, in any case, they will discard their airplanes and will not remain in the loser.
  • Oman 47
    Oman 47 26 September 2015 11: 16 New
    -2
    Advertising is a ROLLBACK engine.

    I propose to call this device EMU (type of ostriches); like a bird, but - flightless. drinks
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 September 2015 11: 40 New
    0
    The worse things are with the plane, the more PR is needed for him

    What can you do - the laws of the Western market. There is so much money to create so much that in case of not matching with the declared characteristics, it will somehow have to be excused.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 26 September 2015 11: 40 New
    +8
    Not tired yet? We need to take care of ourselves. The F-35 will be worse than our aircraft — well, it will be better, so it will be necessary to respond to this challenge with the modernization of existing fighters and design new ones. And so, all these breaking copies on the F-35 theme look childish. Not serious.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 26 September 2015 12: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: fzr1000
      Not tired yet? We need to take care of ourselves. The F-35 will be worse than our aircraft — well, it will be better, so it will be necessary to respond to this challenge with the modernization of existing fighters and design new ones. And so, all these breaking copies on the F-35 theme look childish. Not serious.


      Totally agree! good
  • Abbra
    Abbra 26 September 2015 12: 03 New
    +3
    I add one more point to the tricky question:

    - Cho pester?!? Flies? Flies !!!!
  • novobranets
    novobranets 26 September 2015 12: 21 New
    0
    To date, the US Marine Corps has received 37 small-batch F-35B aircraft, and fighter aircraft have been given the status of initial combat readiness. F-35B will receive full operational readiness status in 2017.

    According to a report from the US Department of Defense’s Operational Testing and Evaluation Office, the fighter’s mechanical and software flaws prevent him from successfully participating in a number of military operations.
    http://topwar.ru/83238-rt-komandovanie-vvs-ssha-nauchilo-svoih-letchikov-kak-otv
    echat-na-kritiku-f-35.html # addcomment
  • tinibar
    tinibar 26 September 2015 13: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: fox21h
    Quote: azbukin77
    Well, what else does the “mattress” have to do, how not to praise its woof ... oh, the money is cut!

    They have enough of their own "serious" ones, only taking into account the budget there are much more

    Exactly. And in general, it’s better than to rejoice at the failures of others, to think, and is everything all right with us? And the fact that the plane is problematic does not mean anything. The plane is a new generation, and work on it is not yet finished. I remember that the Su-24 was the record holder for catastrophes during the tests, but this did not prevent him from becoming what he became. And the Su-27 generally had to be redesigned again ...
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 26 September 2015 13: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: tinibar
      Exactly. And in general, it’s better than to rejoice at the failures of others, to think, and is everything all right with us? And the fact that the plane is problematic does not mean anything. The plane is a new generation, and work on it is not yet finished. I remember that the Su-24 was the record holder for catastrophes during the tests, but this did not prevent him from becoming what he became. And the Su-27 generally had to be redesigned again ...


      One of the few sensible and objective posts on this thread! good
    2. fox21h
      fox21h 26 September 2015 21: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: tinibar
      Quote: fox21h
      Quote: azbukin77
      Well, what else does the “mattress” have to do, how not to praise its woof ... oh, the money is cut!

      They have enough of their own "serious" ones, only taking into account the budget there are much more

      Exactly. And in general, it’s better than to rejoice at the failures of others, to think, and is everything all right with us? And the fact that the plane is problematic does not mean anything. The plane is a new generation, and work on it is not yet finished. I remember that the Su-24 was the record holder for catastrophes during the tests, but this did not prevent him from becoming what he became. And the Su-27 generally had to be redesigned again ...

      It’s just that very often p_ndosov set an example, they have the best, and we have it so left-handed, our overseas "partners" arrange a cut in the military budget as ours never dreamed of. And to find out how bad or good the plane is in comparison with ours, only military operations can give, I hope this never happens
  • Russia
    Russia 26 September 2015 14: 02 New
    +1
    If they ask, is it true that helmets are too big and heavy, you need to answer that pilots never complain»

    Correctly. If we assume that the helmet weighs 2 kg, and the overload is 8G, then the pilot’s neck vertebrae are pressured by 16 kg plus his head, which is 8 times heavier!
    Here the spine in shorts may be. After this, the pilot sometimes simply cannot complain to anyone.
    It’s like buying poison.
    - "And tell me, is the poison good?"
    - "So far no one has complained"
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 September 2015 14: 54 New
    +2
    Colleagues, the plane is really complex, and therefore bring to the "mind", it happens with all aircraft of new generations. The Americans have no less experience creating aircraft than ours, and even more! They did not copy our planes, by the way. And in technology, they are not limited. On the F-35, I believe one major mistake, an attempt to make one glider for the vertical and a simple fighter.
    And the peculiarities of maneuverability to which everyone appeals come out of the very idea when designing an airplane. The engineers set a goal, to create a strike aircraft with the capabilities of a fighter, as unified as possible, respectively, it will be good to bomb and break through air defense, but not very much to conduct air battles. The air defense tasks will be addressed by the Raptor. The Raptor is now only in the USA (in the future, it may be given to friends) And if you look at the list of countries that will have 4 ++ and 5th generation fighters, in 10-20 years, then this is not so many countries and not the latest countries, and with the 3-4 generation, penguins will perfectly cope and bomb their targets on earth, comfortably and live.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 September 2015 15: 38 New
      0
      After 20 years, the sixth generation of fighters will fly.
    2. mosquit
      mosquit 26 September 2015 18: 30 New
      0
      Swan, Cancer and Pike ...
      They need to convey the text .. laughing
  • mvg
    mvg 26 September 2015 14: 57 New
    +1
    This "hr..y" airplane, plans to purchase, in my opinion, 17 countries ... in the amount of about 2600 pcs ... optionally, more than 4000 .. And the Su-25, in the amount of 48 pcs ... this is MUCH !!!! PAK-FA, up to 200 units (157 was announced) in general COSMOS. Maybe not so bad? And there are Rafalki, and Typhoons .. Yes, and the Japanese and Japan seem to be going to do their own ... Maybe the mattress is not so bad?
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 26 September 2015 15: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: mvg
      And the Su-25, in the amount of 48 pieces.


      Maybe you wanted to say Su-35? wink
  • slaw14
    slaw14 26 September 2015 15: 41 New
    +2
    The author of the article forgot to mention where the hostility towards this model came from. The F-35 itself is not bad but ... The aviation command decided to conduct a demonstration battle between the F-35 and F-16. So the "old man" raped a competitor in all positions. Generals, of course, are in a stupor. Hence the distrust of this series and weight, the weight of the headset or the price has nothing to do with it.
  • sir_obs
    sir_obs 26 September 2015 15: 47 New
    +1
    And the king is naked! In the finale they will still shout.
    1. mosquit
      mosquit 26 September 2015 18: 34 New
      0
      C'mon, "democratic" suckers and not so "eat"
  • Michael - 235
    Michael - 235 26 September 2015 19: 33 New
    0
    The phrase “F-35 New Generation Fighter” sounds very interesting. One must assume that something worked in the wrong direction in the ideology propagating the fifth generation.
  • tomcat117
    tomcat117 26 September 2015 20: 34 New
    +1
    ... the US Air Force command taught its pilots how to respond to criticism of the F-35 ...
    Believe me, this "seems to help" the Americans in a dogfight.
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 26 September 2015 20: 45 New
    +2
    Let the F-35 and the bad and unfinished, but it is! But will our T-50 in the troops in the next 3 years be big ?, its funding has sharply decreased! So m. it’s our liberal economists who are trying to push through the idea that if 35 is so bad, then there is no threat to us from him and that means we can stop working on the T-50 at all! The idea is simple - why fill the budget by increasing taxes on the Russian monopoly, if it can be drastically reduced, and continue to buy yachts and islands! And in general, I don’t like all this fuss about the 5th generation, something our top managers messed up with not what the country needed in such a difficult time. hi
  • B- 3ACADE
    B- 3ACADE 26 September 2015 21: 00 New
    +1
    story: I'm an Air Force captain with a very rare Jewish surname Smirnov
    I’m getting into my Drynalet and, having galloped slightly, I’m going up
    And in dear Shleme, such a close and almost native song sounds
    American Mi pilots fly hobbling in the darkness ...
    There they shot a saddle in g .... not
    the tank is broken, the tail is on, but the car is flying
    On parole and on one wing ...
    Forgive me veterans for such a free pun.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 27 September 2015 11: 46 New
      0
      Quote: B- 3ACADE
      story: I'm an Air Force captain with a very rare Jewish surname Smirnov
      I’m getting into my Drynalet and, having galloped slightly, I’m going up
      And in dear Shleme, such a close and almost native song sounds
      American Mi pilots fly hobbling in the darkness ...
      There they shot a saddle in g .... not
      the tank is broken, the tail is on, but the car is flying
      On parole and on one wing ...
      Forgive me veterans for such a free pun.


      I see a scarlet line in the sky
      This is the MiG-17 on the tail!
      I see how Richard with Bob
      - Rushed to meet with the coffin!
      My Phantom is losing altitude ...
      (C) Chizh Phantom.
  • Old saam
    Old saam 26 September 2015 22: 44 New
    -1
    they blinded a gamma-plane for a lot of money :) Here in AI they can officially breed grandmas laughing
  • Chak
    Chak 27 September 2015 00: 20 New
    0
    F-35's Best Hot Head Movie Ad
  • rubidiy
    rubidiy 27 September 2015 02: 44 New
    +4
    I wouldn’t trust this "F35 shit" news too much. Most likely, just anti-PR competitors. Yes, the plane is not being created stupidly according to the conditional requirements for the 5th generation, but this is precisely what should be alarming. Do not forget that there is a military doctrine, strategy and tactics. It may happen that the United States knows very well which aircraft they need and how they will use it. I would not explain their refusal from F22 by a simple “cut”.
    In turn, I would like to believe that our military also understands why they need the T-50, and how they are going to use it.
  • BlackDragon
    BlackDragon 28 September 2015 00: 55 New
    0
    reports Sight with reference to the RT channel.
    The document was published by an American blogger, considered one of the leading military analysts.

    the most honest channel took from the most truthful blogger the super-specific given (the most truthful) fellow
  • CRASH
    CRASH 28 September 2015 18: 59 New
    +1
    The Yankees drove themselves into a corner in concrete, there is no abandoning it and admit that they were wrong, they elevate it
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 29 September 2015 07: 00 New
    0
    And almost all of you are here, THAT, the toad is choking on F-35 ??? By the way, for which of its 3 modifications ??? Ali for all 3 together suffer at the same time? Maybe you are gnawing at suffering for the American budget, which is being cut at the expense of this plane ... I knew that you love the states, veiledly, but love wassat
    As for me, they are the Yankees, systematically rolling it up as you like at the level of the formed squadrons ... and after all, they will roll, rebuild, integrate, sell to the allies and it will fly, despite all our cries and boobies about stupidity. Our budget is not stolen or sawed, the T-50 did not burn, well, etc. Boys and not boys - THIS IS ALL THE ROUTINE LINE OF PRODUCT FINDING and certainly it is not up to you to decide whether this is good or bad, couch level specialists in F-35. Not even funny anymore. fool