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Made in Ukraine. Automatic rifle "Malyuk"

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Over the past years and decades, military equipment and weapons have constantly evolved. Military necessity gave rise to new technical breakthroughs, as a result of which new types of offensive appeared. weapons, which allowed to strike from a long distance and with great accuracy. But even today, individual small arms are not an anachronism. And all because remote methods of introducing war only have an effect if the goal of the operation being carried out is to destroy the enemy’s military and industrial infrastructure. But for the final victory over the enemy, establishing control over its territories, gaining access to its industrial and raw material resources, and performing various types of combat missions, it is necessary to use infantry units entering into direct contact with the enemy. And in this case, the main character becomes a soldier with an assault rifle.

During the presentation of new firearms and weapon systems at the Ukrainian exhibition “Arms and Security” a new automatic assault rifle “Malyuk” (“Kid”) was demonstrated.

The rifle is designed like a bullpup when the trigger is in front of the trigger and the magazine. The fuse is designed as a button and also moved forward.

The weapon has three Picatinny rail, on which it is possible to install additional mechanical and optical devices, including handles, sights, bipods. Installation of the quick-release muffler is also possible.

Stores are inserted into a special shop shaft, which allows them to be better fixed and facilitates their connection. But at the same time, it is impossible to use disc and multi-charge stores in this case.

The rifle's guard is located above the trigger, and the translator of the fire mode is on the right rear.



The machine "Malyuk" made chambered for 5,45 and 7,62 mm. Its length is 712 mm, while the length of the trunk reaches 415 mm. Magazine capacity - 30 cartridges. Weight with empty magazine is equal to 3,2 kg. The initial speed of the bullet reaches 900 meters per second, and the target range is equal to 1000 meters.

Work on the creation of the machine "Malyuk" began in 2005 year, as part of the AK-74 modernization project. The customer was the Security Service of Ukraine. Journalists have repeatedly said that "Malyuk" is the development of the Vepr machine, but in reality these are two completely different projects that were implemented for different customers. At that time in Ukraine, repeated attempts were made to modernize a Kalashnikov assault rifle of the “bull-pap” type. "Vepr" was also such a project, which was developed for the military department. But in 2005, it was closed. But the project implemented by InterProInvest LLC turned out to be exceptional - according to the developers, the output was not the AK-74 modernization, but the completely new Vulcan machine, which was then reborn as Vulkan-M. This machine is better known under the name "Malyuk". It embodied numerous unique design solutions. This is a new product, in which AK-74 structural elements are only partially used. The explanation is quite simple - there are no technologies for the production of barrels for small arms in the country, but at the same time there are enough stocks of Kalashnikov assault rifles on military arsenals in order to use them as donors of the barrel and some components. The rifle "Maluk" sold more than a dozen patented solutions designers. From the AK-74, in fact, there was only the barrel and receiver.

In addition to standard rounds, the machine gun can fire with NATO rounds of 5,56 mm caliber.

Practical shooting has shown that "Maluk" has a sufficiently high accuracy and accuracy of shooting. Moreover, these figures are embedded in the design of the rifle and practically do not depend on the user. Regardless of who shot at testing, a sniper or amateur, the result was high: all the bullets hit the target circuit, and half of them hit the top ten. According to the developers, this result was achieved due to improved balancing of the machine gun, in which the center of gravity is shifted to the area of ​​the rifle contour center. The effect is enhanced by the transfer of the handle, which helps to ensure minimal deviations when shooting. In addition, the return in the new product is almost one and a half times less than in the Kalashnikov assault rifle. This was achieved by optimizing the use of the energy of powder gases.

Another important point - when disassembling and assembling the machine, the aiming point is preserved. Simply put, after the assembly of the rifle there is no need to verify the sights, they will ensure maximum accuracy over almost the entire period of operation.

In addition, the design of the “Maluk” makes it possible to use additional sights (telescopic sight, collimator) without making any additional changes to the design of the rifle.

The high performance of the machine indicates that due to high accuracy, the consumption of ammunition is significantly reduced, and thus increases the combat ability and autonomy of the soldier. And the possibility of using night vision sights significantly increases the efficiency of the shooter in difficult conditions.

Made in Ukraine. Automatic rifle "Malyuk"


Many in the world consider the Kalashnikov assault rifle to be the benchmark for reliability. But, as practice has shown, the reliability of the AK is not absolute, and “Maluk”, according to the rifle developers, can press the recognized authority, demonstrating new heights of reliability.

The Ukrainian rifle uses a convection cooling system for the barrel, which increases its lifespan by 3 (as a result of a decrease in the amplitude of temperature fluctuations, the load of the barrel material decreases). In addition, with excessive overheating of the trunk, the possibility of “spitting” due to the unique air-cooling system of the trunk is excluded. The machine can withstand intense fire without prolonged maintenance. The design and layout of the machine provides a smaller number of points inside the mechanism of dirt. Thus, the machine is ready to use at any time, regardless of external factors. Due to high reliability, the cost of automaton repair and maintenance is reduced, optimizing, ultimately, the cost of logistics.

The machine "Maluk" is also convenient to use. Due to the bullpup layout scheme, the weapon’s dimensions have been reduced without affecting its tactical and technical characteristics. In addition, this scheme provides a more convenient "butt" rifle when used from any position. By installing special corrective nozzles, the weapon is adapted to the anatomical features of the user. It turns out the so-called effect of "continuing the hand", in which the shooter feels the machine part of himself. Taking into account the installation of three Picatinny rails for additional devices, the “Malyuk” weight is less than a Kalashnikov assault rifle.

The machine can use both right-handed and left-handed. The ergonomic cocking handle does not move when firing, so the possibility of injury to the shooter is excluded. It can be operated with one hand: unlock the fuse, change the magazine, shoot and reload. After use, an empty magazine drops out when you press the eject button under its own weight. This ensures fast reloading of weapons.

It is also important that the "Maluk" has an organic form and is smaller in comparison with the Kalashnikov machine gun. This plays an important role for paratroopers: the shape and size of the machine ensure its safety in landing.

Ultimately, the ergonomics of the machine gives it certain advantages: quick reloading, transfer to the fighting position, translation for shooting from different positions provide additional time, which is very important in combat conditions. Due to the optimal weight, shape and balance, the risk of injury to the shooter is reduced. And the ability to install additional devices increases the effectiveness of the use of these weapons.

Thus, Ukrainian engineers say that the Ukrainian “Malyuk” machine, in the development of which all modern requirements were taken into account, can become a worthy competitor of such machines as the Austrian Steyr AUG A3, the Israeli Tavor TAR-21, and the Belgian FN F2000. Maluk is not inferior to them in its characteristics, so it can have a decent export potential, especially since its cost is much lower than that of competitors.

Tactical and technical characteristics of the machine "Malyuk":
Type of cartridges: 5,45x39 mm. / 7,62х39 mm.
Length: 712 mm / 712 mm.
Barrel length: 415 mm / 415 mm.
Weight with empty magazine: 3,2 kg / 3,3 kg.
Capacity of 30 cartridges / 30 cartridges.
Target range, m: 1000 / to 1000.
Remote direct shot at the chest target, m: 460 / 340.
Initial bullet speed, m / s: 900 / 715.
Rate of Fire: 650-700 rds per minute.
Shop: rozhkovy on 10 cartridges (from AKS-74UB), rozhkovy on 20 cartridges (from AKS-74U), rozhkovy on 30 cartridges (from AK-74), rozhkovy on 45 cartridges (from RPK-74).

] Materials used:
http://www.ridus.ru/news/197720
http://zbroya.info/ru/blog/6094_v-ukraine-predstavili-noveishuiu-shturmovuiu-vintovku-maliuk/
http://oruzheika.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=124
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  1. vov4ik_zver
    vov4ik_zver 30 September 2015 06: 29
    +23
    - when disassembling and assembling the machine, the aiming point is saved

    There are big doubts about this. Judging by the photo, the sighting devices are attached to the removable cover of the old box. Where will the accuracy and constancy of the sight come from.

    ps. and there is a grenade launcher where to cling?
    1. SOLGA
      SOLGA 30 September 2015 07: 28
      +2
      Well, if you look at the first photo, it seems there is a mount for the grenade launcher (in the second photo there is a picatinny rail
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      2. Darkmor
        Darkmor 1 October 2015 00: 31
        +29
        What the fuck did I read? ...
        If this article is for Ukrainians, then post it on Ukrainian resources.
        There will be breakthroughs, and fame, and loud prolonged applause.
        If you post it on the resources of the Russian Federation, it is reasonable to assume that it will be extremely picky.

        So, I find fault in this article FOR EVERYTHING!
        It would be possible to make out the paragraphs, what is the nonsense, but I do not have enough space for the post.
        I will limit myself to the general:
        The bullpup layout did not provide objective data on its shortcomings.
        The picatini bars do not make the reworked AK a new automatic, nor do the EOTECH, which is pulled on top, which, by the way, is blocked by a regular sight by 1/3 (antimat ...).
        You can tell patriots about a large bunch of patented innovations - if you are not ready to show specifically what they are, I will assume that they are NOT. And no, the air cooling of the gas tube is not a know-how that you are trying to rub on to someone under the name "convection barrel cooling system"
        Where is the TTX comparison, at least with the AK-74? Part of the performance characteristics and allegations are generally a lie or intentional misrepresentation of information (for example, about the length of an AK for an assault — not taking into account the airborne variant of an AK with a folding stock).
        The assertion that this machine can be used with any hand is generally nonsense - with left-handed grip, will your sleeves fly into one ear and fly from the other?
        Shooting with one hand from a machine gun of this weight? Hmm ...

        Gentlemen, the developers ... By God, even the Chinese have clones of bullpup-AK (QBZ) better or equal to this Ukrainian miracle. Do not believe me - compare the characteristics, and then the purchase price - and then shoot yourself.
        The fact that you gave birth in agony 10 years is worse than the fact that the Chinese degenerated 20 years ago.
        1. OlegLex
          OlegLex 1 October 2015 20: 18
          +7
          I also want to add to the above:
          In addition to standard rounds, the machine gun can fire with NATO rounds of 5,56 mm caliber.
          that is, after shooting five forty-five, we put in a store with five fifty six and then shoot. What the hell, Us what kind of d_e_b_i_l_o_v take.
          And then it’s a clone of the Kalashnikov’s bullpup that was made a great master in the sixties (a sample can be seen in the Museum of the Soviet Army in Moscow) but was abandoned, and the main reason was that it was practically impossible to shoot from it - lying down.
        2. Aqela
          Aqela 2 October 2015 03: 55
          +6
          It is touching the fact that this ... strangely born little girl "only" from the AK-74 has a barrel, a bolt box, a bolt and an ammunition supply system with a magazine ... Question: what else is there in small arms? Forend? Butt? Aim? Well, so all this - easily changeable blocks, "body kit".
          The assertion of the preservation of the constancy of the sight throughout the entire period of operation is a statement bordering on delirium. This is similar to the statement that there is no need to adjust the wheel alignment. It is obvious that any mechanical system, especially a pulsed one, such as an automatic carbine, accumulates backlash over time, there may be a need for repair, etc. I.e errors always accumulate during the operation of any mechanism. fool
          According to the logic of events, the article is not only slurred, uncritical, illiterate, but also designed for readers who are not familiar not only with the school physics course, but also who have not exploited complex mechanisms at least at the level of a bicycle ... No.
          Simply put, the author of the article not only does not critically quote advertising materials, but also considers visitors to this site for id.io.tov ... wassat request
      3. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 31 October 2015 16: 15
        +1
        Quote: SOLGA
        it seems there is a mount for the grenade launcher (in the second photo there is a picatinny rail

        1. when it seems, you need to be baptized.
        2. The plastic picatini strap, as well as the barrel cover, will last as long as it is known.
        All the developers - they bought from Amers the cheapest kit for tuning AK, made preforms and a mustache. Oh, I forgot, they replaced the piston on the bolt frame. And joyful pants, a new machine made ...
        I wonder who moderated this article on this site? What was he thinking? And the author is also in the furnace.
    2. sancho
      sancho 30 September 2015 10: 10
      +32
      Many in the world consider the Kalashnikov assault rifle to be the benchmark for reliability. But, as practice has shown, the reliability of the AK is not absolute, and “Maluk”, according to the rifle developers, can press the recognized authority, demonstrating new heights of reliability.

      This is Kalashnikov - the standard of reliability!
      Dill, do something your own, fundamentally new, from start to finish.
      There is nothing easier than taking the GAZ-66 for example, hanging it with a cab from MAN, and other husks, but in the end it will still be the same GAZ-66 (simple and reliable) as 3 kopecks. Yes, sitting in the MAN's cabin will be softer, but that's all.

      Just funny to look at the dill! What school of engineers is there ?! At us, some craftsmen in garages can make an automaton.

      I do not consider this machine a new design! As people say, spoilers hung on a VAZ 2105, from this it will not take off ...

      And, to press the AK on the market ... LAUGHTER)))) For several decades they are crowded, and it is the best in terms of reliability and simplicity.
      1. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 30 September 2015 18: 14
        +10
        Quote: sancho
        Just funny to look at the dill! What school of engineers is there ?!



        this nation has long preferred to live an illusion ...
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 30 September 2015 18: 56
        +1
        Quote: sancho
        And, to force out AK in the market ... LAUGHTER))))

        Let the price of the pepelats be voiced and how much is it in the troops
      3. smershxnumx
        smershxnumx 30 September 2015 19: 07
        +4
        This is a new product in which only structural components from AK-74 are used.

        Yes it is "Kalashnikov", so that who does not say, "Kalashnikov" !!! hi
    3. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 30 September 2015 10: 44
      +2
      Quote: vov4ik_zver
      - when disassembling and assembling the machine, the aiming point is saved

      There are big doubts about this. Judging by the photo, the sighting devices are attached to the removable cover of the old box. Where will the accuracy and constancy of the sight come from.

      I am also tormented by vague doubts, but nevertheless this is a fairly common phenomenon in the world of small arms.

    4. max702
      max702 30 September 2015 13: 10
      +10
      Wrong name! Not "Malyuk", but "Redneck"! wink
      1. Veps
        Veps 19 October 2015 22: 33
        +1
        Even the best "Mandyuk" and "3,14zduk". On the video, a purely Bandera member shows and tells, but why in a good way. :-)
  2. Felix1
    Felix1 30 September 2015 06: 34
    +3
    In appearance and tx, it’s not even bad.
    1. avt
      avt 30 September 2015 10: 07
      +10
      Quote: Felix1
      In appearance and tx, it’s not even bad.

      Quiet horror wound around the knots of the same "Kalash". But the main thing amused - "Thus, Ukrainian engineers say that the Ukrainian machine" Malyuk ", in the development of which all modern requirements were taken into account, can become a worthy competitor to such machines, like the Austrian Steyr AUG A3, the Israeli Tavor TAR-21, the Belgian FN F2000. "Malyuk" is in no way inferior to them in its characteristics, therefore it can have a decent export potential, especially since its cost is much lower than that of competitors. " laughing While as correctly noted,
      Quote: inkass_98
      So why then did they start producing "Tavor" under license?
      As the ADF and its ancestor A-91M looks more thoughtful.
      1. your1970
        your1970 30 September 2015 19: 11
        +6
        "- in the country no production technology barrels for small arms, but at the same time stocks of Kalashnikov assault rifles in military arsenals are sufficient to be used as donors of the barrel and some components. "
        its export potential is equal to the number of AK in warehouses-stocks run out-and "Malyuk"
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 30 September 2015 20: 35
        +16
        Our company "Zenith" produces a tuning kit for Kalash. What's worse? but he calls all this "tuning", and not a super-duper development with a pretense for stater, tavor, FN ....
  3. D-Master
    D-Master 30 September 2015 06: 48
    +10
    An excellent sample is on the table. Given the situation in Banderostat with industry, and stocks of AK in warehouses, the prospects of development tend to 0. And the fact that Ukraine has remained from the time of the USSR an excellent engineering school is a fact. The question is how long will it last?
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 30 September 2015 07: 48
      +18
      So why then did they start producing "Tavor" under license? I remember the Bloody Pastor with "Fort" prancing around in the staged photos. Why would the army have two bullpup assault rifles to complicate supply and maintenance? There was a video from the exhibition, and so "everything is not so simple." The fighter was not immediately able to insert the magazine into the mine, the window for ejection of spent cartridges is visually very close to the shooter's face, will not his eyes suffer? And this layout is for right-handers only. A left-handed person will not be able to shoot from it at all without alteration, while anyone can shoot from a classic machine gun.
    2. garrikz
      garrikz 1 October 2015 06: 02
      0
      And the fact that in Ukraine since the USSR remained an excellent engineering school is a fact. The question is how long will it last?

      The school then remained, is there any motivation?
      1. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 8 October 2015 15: 52
        +1
        Quote: garrikz
        And the fact that in Ukraine since the USSR remained an excellent engineering school is a fact.


        After the USSR, fertile lands remained in Ukraine ... and Ukrainians shout that there is no work.
  4. Hell's Angel
    Hell's Angel 30 September 2015 07: 19
    +11
    Another bullet-dad using parts and mechanisms from AK. We have also experimented with this scheme, but only units are armed with "special" ones.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 September 2015 08: 49
      +2
      Quote: Hell Angel
      but only units are armed with "special" ones.

      And we have from the bull-dad in service - OTs-14, ASh-12,7 and ADF (this is from machine guns).
      By the way, this Malyuk would also have a four-row store, for aesthetics, so to speak ...
      1. Hell's Angel
        Hell's Angel 30 September 2015 09: 34
        +2
        Bul - dads have a bad balance anyway ... And you still offer a "four-row" (probably you meant with a capacity of 50 and 60 rounds). Moreover, the reliability of it (store) leaves much to be desired. Well, if only for aesthetics.
        1. gross kaput
          gross kaput 30 September 2015 12: 15
          +2
          Quote: Hell Angel
          Bul - dads have a balance, and so not so.

          Well, as it were, usually, buns have two main advantages over the classics - smaller dimensions with an equal barrel length and better controllability due to the shift of the center of gravity back - but apparently in the special forces "men in black" another point of view prevails, based on galactic knowledge. laughing We are waiting for a heart-rending story about a trunk fixed in the sixth or seventh position in a bull-pop lineup. laughing
          1. Hell's Angel
            Hell's Angel 30 September 2015 12: 23
            +1
            и better handling due to shifting the center of gravity back
            This is not the same as balance. All high-precision rifles, with rare exceptions, have a classic layout.
            Well, plus a store for 60 rounds, that's damn "controllability" will be.
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput 30 September 2015 13: 43
              0
              Quote: Hell Angel
              All high-precision rifles, with rare exceptions, have a classic layout.

              And all cars, with rare exceptions, have four wheels, and all women usually have two boobs - no need to lump machine guns / assault rifles and snipers into one heap - the former usually do not shoot hundreds of meters away, and the latter usually do not shoot closer than 200- 300 for moving, fast-moving targets. Well, taking into account the long-standing presence in the civilian market of the Russian Federation of AUGs in the "civilian" version, I am extremely surprised that the "practical shooting instructor" never bothered to compare the same civilian AUG with the Saiga-MK precisely in terms of the speed of transferring fire from one target to another. The buns have enough jambs precisely in terms of ergonomics (changing the store, shooting from the other shoulder and lying down), but it is with control that they are OK.
              1. Hell's Angel
                Hell's Angel 30 September 2015 14: 12
                0
                BALANCE! BALANCE! Ahhhh!
                Yes, I know about the jambs of bul dads. And civil AUG "yuzal" and OTs - 14 before that!
                From a hunting shotgun, too, far from being shot. And BALANCE is very important there! But for what? Maybe explain if so smart!
                1. gross kaput
                  gross kaput 30 September 2015 14: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Hell Angel
                  BALANCE! BALANCE!

                  Well, where do you think the center of gravity should be at the "ideal" balance? Although wait, I know, in the area of ​​the front sight, right? laughing
                  Quote: Hell Angel
                  AUG "yuzal" and OTs - 14 before

                  Duc, after all, have heard. laughing
                  1. Massik
                    Massik 30 September 2015 14: 49
                    +3
                    Ahem, ideally it is desirable to have a center of gravity in the middle, between the pistol grip and the forearm. Then the weapon will neither lower nor raise when shooting at a vantage point.
                    1. gross kaput
                      gross kaput 30 September 2015 19: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Marssik
                      ideally, the center of gravity is desirable in the middle, between the pistol grip and the forearm

                      A counter question - where is the AK-74? exactly in the middle? And if not, then he "lowers" or "highs" you
                      Quote: Marssik
                      when shooting offhand.
                      1. Massik
                        Massik 30 September 2015 21: 57
                        +3
                        Quote: gross kaput
                        A counter question - where is the AK-74? exactly in the middle? And if not, then he "lowers" or "highs" you
                        At 74 M, it is closer to the forearm, therefore, in most cases, when shooting newcomers, a decrease in the trajectory is visible. Everything flew to my target, but still not a novice, I had to shoot from a knee and standing at 300m constantly, thank God it’s not for people.
                      2. gross kaput
                        gross kaput 30 September 2015 23: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Marssik
                        standing at 300m

                        Offhand?
                        Quote: Marssik
                        when shooting offhand.

                        Silenus the tramp laughing
                        But seriously, how many people have so many opinions, for me personally, it is more convenient when the center of gravity is closer to the handle. Well, I would also advise you to go to a commercial shooting range, since now there is usually a fairly wide selection of "rental" weapons, and try the AUG - a very nice machine in terms of shooting at a jump and fast transfer of fire, but unfortunately, at least in my opinion , from a practical point of view, these advantages are leveled by congenital "sores" of buns, although opinion is possible and subjective and just need a habit. Although all these commercial "takhtik" bulpups for the poor from AK SKS, etc. are unlikely to reach the "legitimate" bullpops.
                      3. Massik
                        Massik 1 October 2015 11: 38
                        0
                        Quote: gross kaput
                        Offhand?
                        Target number 7 is a waist target, appears for 6 seconds during the day and 8 seconds at night, the distance is 300m, the student changes position by 25-50 meters along the front and hits the target standing or from the knee. Always stayed from 10 meters, and the target was already rising, I really don’t remember the description. When there is 1-2 seconds to throw up a weapon and aim, can this be called offhand?
                      4. gross kaput
                        gross kaput 1 October 2015 12: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Marssik
                        can this be called offhand?

                        You can, offhand, something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=17&v=_2W0IQTkeyo
                      5. corporal
                        corporal 1 October 2015 18: 50
                        0
                        Quote: gross kaput
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=17&v=_2W0IQTkeyo

                        Something a link gives any garbage, but not shooting.
                      6. gross kaput
                        gross kaput 2 October 2015 10: 39
                        0
                        And you expected to see a machine gunner watering from the hip? laughing this is exactly the same shot at a throw-up without "targeting" - described in pre-revolutionary books for hunters - so look and find laughing
          2. Hell's Angel
            Hell's Angel 2 October 2015 05: 36
            0
            Do not add, do not decrease!
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput 2 October 2015 10: 41
              0
              Duc and sho own opinion the great secret instructor ipsc does not have? and although I know he probably has secret knowledge of the ancients which we are not worthy laughing
        2. Hell's Angel
          Hell's Angel 2 October 2015 05: 32
          -1
          Although wait, I know, in the area of ​​the front sight, right?
          Not smart !!! wassat
    2. Hell's Angel
      Hell's Angel 2 October 2015 05: 40
      0
      I have never bothered to compare the same civil AUG with the Saiga-MK precisely in terms of the speed of transfer of fire from one target to another.

      Watch the practical shooting competition in the "shotgun" and "carbine" class. That's where the bul-dads ...!
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 2 October 2015 15: 33
        0
        Quote: Hell Angel
        Here there is a bull - dad ...!

        Duc is a clear stump mainly of the arches, only here and augi and tavorchiki slip even at international competitions, rolls do not have much popularity among "practitioners", only the reason is not in secret knowledge of the "golden section" - that is, balance, but somewhat in others peculiarities of buns - sho the great instructor Novosib and the surrounding area did not know about this? laughing So he seems to have been very actively using Grozu and AUG is not new to him. laughing With regards to balance in IPSC - how does the great shooter think where the center of gravity will be at the arch with a thick match barrel on which the gas block with hinged sights is planted and all this is located inside the luminous free-float forearm long almost to the muzzle end crowned by a powerful DTC? at the same time, the handguard is also found on the forend - and this is not a militarist’s fontazion; this is a completely standard kit for the arch in IPSC.
        So the respected super instructor is good at zvizdet about IPSC you only heard out of your ears and even on the shooter who from time to time "on himself" does not pull.
        PS but I almost forgot, a few days ago I talked with the guys from "Lynx" - I hope at least what kind of unit are you aware of? Well, even they have a 3 (three) barrel pistol, a "length" and a special barrel attached to them. So the next time you fill in the special forces about your miracle, take into account that there is no need to say more than three fixed barrels - otherwise you will cry again that bad uncles offend you. laughing
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 3 October 2015 05: 35
          0
          Hello, Sergey! Watching it while I wasn’t working as an "angel booster"? So him, mad "special forces"! I looked at his posts and went nuts, this warrior has no sense of self-protection, apparently the illusion of Internet incognito completely turns off the brain.
          Quote: gross kaput
          So he seems to have been very actively using Grozu and AUG is not new to him.
          Along the way, he actively succeeds only in the toilet and in complete darkness, too unreasonable speeches are "erupted" by him. And he only feels the trunks in the internet.
          Quote: gross kaput
          Well, even they have a 3 (three) barrel pistol, a "length" and a special barrel attached to them.

          Yes, but what is described by the "angel" suggests that he actively reads ZhZhshku Cardin, whose trunks (thanks to his position) are like a fool's makhorka, so this warrior thought that it could be so for everyone! But the clever does not work to see the truth.
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 3 October 2015 10: 10
            0
            Be healthy boyar. smile something quite a while ago you were not observed on our collective farm.
            Quote: Timeout
            "angel-enhancer"

            So he bends himself, I only play the role of a commentator.
            Quote: Timeout
            to see the illusion of an Internet-incognito completely disconnects the brain.

            He reminds me of my cousin in adolescence - he literally sprinkled fantasies - it came to ridiculous - we are going for a walk and he tells me another fantasy about his friend and is well aware that in exactly 5 minutes we will meet Zhenya at the entrance and lie here- it will open, but in spite of this it cannot resist. Moreover, he lied without any practical meaning - i.e. like the angel was just a dreamer, only the bratelnik grew up and after serving in the army, this was no longer observed for him, and the angel froze in his teenage fantasies, by the way, he was "adolescent" and his nickname indicates, I have quite a lot of acquaintances from various power "divisions and almost all of them, in spite of their specific experience, often do things that I do not call anything other than" kindergarten "- as an example - as they say in police protocols -" out of hooligan motives "or rather simply because it was interesting and wanted to misbehave - to shoot a toilet of the "lavatory" type from the pump. Or perfectly knowing that the ballistic tube is designed for a maximum of 7,62x39 to bang into it from a carbine under .375 NN and rejoice at the torn off rear wall with childlike spontaneity. But which of them would choose such a nickname? absolutely not typical, all these "angels of hell" "demons of the night" and others are typical for adolescents of puberty, but not for an adult man.
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            whose trunks (thanks to the position) as a fool shag,

            Only the angel did not take into account one thing - at the cardin all this mass of trunks is not fixed to him. laughing
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              Quote: gross kaput
              something quite a while ago you were not observed on our collective farm.

              Yes, all the work, it is cursed. lol
              Quote: gross kaput
              often do things that I do otherwise than "kindergarten"

              Himself "suffered" from a kindergarten up to 30 years old, but not on a clinical scale. Remember, and you are surprised at yourself ... wassat
              Quote: gross kaput
              the mass of trunks is not fixed to it.

              So Carden does not write about this! Here the boy takes it at face value. Infa is nowhere else to draw, quite specific.
            2. gross kaput
              gross kaput 4 October 2015 10: 09
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              Opensource projects, eh, I feel the great instructor with AUG and IPSC has hung up, apparently I can't wait for an answer from him, so he will have to reveal to him the military secret why AUGs are not frequent devices for "practitioners" in Russia. 1- side - purely technical - disadvantages inherent in almost all buns - inconvenient store change (although AUG has a nice bonus compared to a thunderstorm - it has a ZZ) impossibility of shooting from the other shoulder, high aiming line and difficult prone shooting. Separately, in relation to the civilian AUG, it is necessary to note the long, heavy and uneven descent - the legacy of the army USM without a fire translator, as a result, the Austrians did not bother with cardinal alterations when fencing, and at the civilian AUG, the shot occurs at the same point of the descent stroke where the army fires - i.e. after fully pressing the trigger with a noticeable effort after passing the SC of the "single fire zone" - isn't it strange that such a professional shooter is a shooting instructor in an extremely steep and secret special forces, who
              Quote: Hell Angel
              And civil AUG "yuzal"
              did not pay attention to it? laughing
              Part two - economic, it is also the main one - If you can put up with "technical" features, then only real fans of buns will put up with money issues - for reference, 1 (one) "naked" AUG in the Russian Federation is equal in cost to two Molotov arcs complete with good kaliki, spare shops and a full body kit, there will also be money for cartridges, Duc also taking into account the fact that dozens of firms for every taste and wallet for AUG rivet various "nishtyaks" for AR-like with this, not everything is so happy and there are practically no manufacturers and prices as for spare parts for the shuttle. Again, the same ARC after the barrel resource is used up, to re-barrel, at least on Orsis, is not so expensive with the AUG, everything is again not so simple and cheap.
              PS Isn’t it strange that the IPSC instructor does not know all this? laughing
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              Quote: gross kaput
              did not pay attention to it?

              This hellboy actually should have noticed this joint of everyone! buns with the so-called "use" of the same Thunderstorms and IEDs (too many long shoulders and rods).
              So the promoted "Tavor" the same eggs only in profile, I bite her with the "ghoul" for him in the theme of the same name about Khokhlor weapons. AUG is a military one, the trouble of a serving Austrian, because it is not at all suitable for global military operations. Afghanistan proved the defectiveness of this barrel as an army weapon, most of the deaths were due to the inability to return fire. Austria only for this curtailed its contingent in 2012, so the trunk is for greenhouse conditions.
              Quote: gross kaput
              PS Isn’t it strange that the IPSC instructor does not know all this?

              He doesn’t know anything at all!
            4. gross kaput
              gross kaput 4 October 2015 16: 49
              +1
              Quote: Timeout
              this cant of all! buns with the so-called "use" of the same Thunderstorms and IEDs (too many long shoulders and rods).

              Yes, this is understandable, only the civilian AUG - AUG-Z in this regard is the most "masterpiece" of the Austrians remade USM according to the principle "how to make a bulldog out of a shepherd dog in 2 steps? - 1 take a shepherd dog 2 - break the nose with a shovel" AUGe auto-fire turns on when the SC is pushed all the way down, i.e. first, when pressed, there is a single person, then, after a well-felt effort, the auth. it is possible to put up with this on army weapons - because the stroke and effort with a single person are adequate and with the author. are no longer so important. In the civilian version, where the military had a single fire, just a long stroke, then a well-felt effort to overcome the "step" in front of the former author. - in general, the descent turned out to be extremely nasty, even for buns. It is quite difficult to deal with this - fans remove the springs from the trigger, file the rods with grease, etc. But all this is half-measures, and given that the trigger is almost a plastic "filing" there is a rather dangerous and unpredictable thing, the only way out is ordering a custom trigger in the states - that is a big crap with purchasing and sending and Russian roulette with customs and mail.
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              Well, how do you like the epic answer about the stock? There are rhinos in Russian villages!
              With them, damn it, no one will defeat us!
            6. gross kaput
              gross kaput 5 October 2015 14: 45
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              Well, I can tell you - the guy tried, obviously consulted only if the consultant himself was not very competent, if the angel did not listen carefully but the fact is on the face laughing Standard, all Internet "specialists" - and it does not matter special forces, gynecologists or cosmonauts - are poured on small routine trifles that are not described in books - because it is boring and not interesting, but real specialists know these trifles very well because every day with this collide.
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              but real experts know these little things very well because every day they encounter this.

              Only now he claims that there is no side to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and even in the training unit. In general, compote turns out.
            8. gross kaput
              gross kaput 5 October 2015 15: 13
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              he claims that to the Ministry of Internal Affairs no sideways, and even in the training unit.

              Shhh .. don’t scare the client, he himself already forgot about it and you remind him! bully
              Although in the Hansa he understood the "professional" holiday on November 5, which somehow does not really fit with the OTs-14 and SVU, which, as it were, only in WeVyDy shone
  • Hell's Angel
    Hell's Angel 5 October 2015 10: 17
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    what does the great shooter think where will be the center of gravity of the arch with a thick match barrel on which the gas block with hinged sights is planted and all this is inside the luminous free-float forearm long almost to the muzzle section crowned with a powerful DTC?
    Really in the area of ​​a fly?
    note that you don’t need to say more than three fixed trunks
    Well, maybe a grenade launcher.
    In addition, there is a rule - that weapons should not be handed over to the warehouse, they should be fixed.
    I don’t carry all this stuff on me.
    And to write a lot of letters in the comment makes no sense. This is not an article. Can you make an article on the subject of weapons and the level of training of shooters in the power structures of the Russian Federation? Then you can discuss.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 5 October 2015 14: 32
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      Quote: Hell Angel
      Really in the area of ​​a fly?

      And you would have just gone for the sake of interest — you would have known IPSC and not, I certainly understand that introducing yourself as an IPSC instructor is much simpler than being one — but still try to look into the shooting range. laughing
      Quote: Hell Angel
      Well, maybe a grenade launcher.

      What grenade launcher will be special. weapons.
      Quote: Hell Angel
      In addition, there is a rule - that weapons should not be handed over to the warehouse, they should be fixed.
      I don’t carry all this stuff on me.

      I see you consulted over the weekend smile only here again they didn’t find out to the end laughing I already told you about the position cards - based on them, following the results of the annual inventory, all supernumerary weapons will be forced to be deposited, well, for the sake of justice, they’ll forgive 5-10% excess but if we take 5 barrels instead of 3 for the norm, then this is 70% exceeding the prescribed amount - well, this is the theoretical and bureaucratic side, so to speak, but there is a practical side, it is called the CWC whose dimensions — read capacity — are not taken from the ceiling, but it’s strange that they are calculated from the standard L / C strength with the corresponding standard weapon strength that is calculated from ... right! from the norms of positivity. Why am I doing this? and to the fact that the fixed weapon cannot lie in a sealed box, it must be in its cell, in an iron cabinet with all the attributes - a tag, a fastening list and a list of property in the cabinet, with spare stores, a cover and other useful and not very things, thanks why does it take up a lot - 100 - 120 climbs into a standard pistol cabinet, 74 short assault rifles like AKS-9U or 91A-30, long with a folding butt like AK-74M 20, oars like AKM, RPK SVD - 10. I I remember when they put me 3pcs. 74M - bringing their number to a full-time fortieth - to attach them was that still a headache.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 5 October 2015 14: 33
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        Well, what about weapons that are both a pity to hand over and not assigned to someone - they are usually assigned to all sorts of "non-combatants" - to make it clearer - for example, there is in the KS-23 unit for those who might really need to assign it, because they have 2 units, but they get a submachine gun and a pistol constantly and it is impossible to change a submachine gun to a COP, for this we take, for example, ensign Pupkin - the foreman of the unit, he also has 2 units, but he not only received a submachine gun but also received a pistol last Khrushchev, therefore, with a clear conscience, we assign the COP to Pupkin, but if necessary, the employee who needs the COP-23 to perform a task simply writes a report to the head of the unit with a request to issue him a carbine for the duration of that event, endorse him at the person responsible from the management who is obliged to be on the spot (in extreme cases, you can do without a visa) - the person on duty writes all this indecency in the issuance book snakes and it is happiness! those. KS-23 laughing
        Only byad, all these tedious details are not described in heroic books and articles - because it’s boring, but people who really serve are aware of this and the soldiers of the Internet special forces unfortunately forgot to divorce about this laughing
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        and the soldiers of the Internet special forces unfortunately forgot about the divorce

        In-in, also specially silent!
    2. Hell's Angel
      Hell's Angel 8 October 2015 12: 23
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      And you would have just gone for the sake of interest — you would have known IPSC and not, I certainly understand that introducing yourself as an IPSC instructor is much simpler than being one — but still try to look into the shooting range. laughing
      See how the weapon is held while firing. And where will the center of gravity be located there? "Boar" Vadim K. "tuning to tears" but in the hands with the correct grip it lies like a glove. You say that balance is not important, I say that it is important. That's the whole dispute.
      By fixing more than three trunks, he has already explained once that we have heard about the norms of positivity, but no more.
      Why am I doing this? and to the fact that the fixed weapon cannot lie in a sealed box, it must be in its cell, in an iron cabinet with all the attributes - a tag, a list of fastening and a list of property in the cabinet, with spare stores, a case and other useful and not very things

      Everything is correct. Our "weapon" is even now on the poster "What should be a weapon" Everything is on the shelves and with tags.
    3. gross kaput
      gross kaput 9 October 2015 12: 50
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      Quote: Hell Angel
      You say balance is not important

      Poke a finger where did I say that? I understand that fantasizing has already become a habit for you, but for me, please do not do this.
      Quote: Hell Angel
      See how they hold the weapon when shooting. And where will the center of gravity be located?

      "Curiouser and Curiouser" c. "Alice in Wonderland" - I fully support you! The attraction of the earth into the furnace! Into the furnace of bourgeois pseudo-science physics! The angel of hell has finally canceled the gravity of the earth! Hooray! laughing But seriously, you yourself realize what nonsense you wrote? I bring to your attention that the center of gravity will always be located at one point, regardless of the fulcrum.
      Quote: Hell Angel
      "Boar" Vadim K. "tuning to tears" but in the hands with the correct grip it lies like a glove.

      Most likely, this comrade is a guru and the ultimate truth for you, but the trouble is that I’m not familiar with him, much less able to appreciate all the charms of his super-tuned wild boar, so the Syrians have to evaluate sho more simply and more easily. laughing
      Quote: Hell Angel
      By fixing more than three trunks, he has already explained once that we have heard about the norms of positivity, but no more.

      You may have only heard, but the person in charge of storage knows this very well - because for him it is like for a traffic cop, and it will simply not be possible to fix 5 barrels for you. Well, re-read carefully once again with regards to the size of the gun and the number of barrels in the cabinets - then you may realize. Although the best option would be, if you had already honestly admitted that you have nothing to do with the security forces - any operas or intelligence officer can confirm to you that you cannot build a legend from scratch, it must necessarily be suppressed with a real biography and real events - otherwise you will get confused and fail, you, every time, forgetting what you wrote last time, throw in facts that contradict the previous ones - either you are a military intelligence officer, then you actively used OTs14, then suddenly you became a sniper with an IED, then suddenly you have no relation to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then suddenly you shied away across Chechnya when there no one except the GRU Special Forces did not climb, in general, edit the legend or stop making people laugh - because everyone already understands what kind of "instructor" and "spetsnaz" you are.
  • nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 30 September 2015 07: 22
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    It is immediately clear that the crest was written by a crest) laughing
  • bocsman
    bocsman 30 September 2015 07: 25
    +7
    With the world on a thread, naked shirt! They pulled minor lotions from all over the world and passed off as an original idea, it's funny. Another pseudo "override".
  • K-50
    K-50 30 September 2015 07: 31
    +23
    Practical shooting showed that "Malyuk" has a fairly high accuracy and accuracy of fire. Moreover, these indicators are embedded in the design of the rifle and are practically independent of the user. Regardless of who shot at the test - a sniper or an amateur - the result was high: all bullets fell into the target’s contour, and half of them fell into the “top ten”

    belay
    Cool!!!!! The machine itself is pointed, the arrow function only to keep it in the direction of the target !!!! laughing
    The Ukrainian rifle uses a convection barrel cooling system, which increases its service life by 3 times (as a result of a decrease in the amplitude of temperature fluctuations, the loading of the barrel material decreases). The Ukrainian rifle uses a convection barrel cooling system, which increases its service life by 3 times (as a result of a decrease in the amplitude of temperature fluctuations, the loading of the barrel material decreases). In addition, with excessive barrel overheating, the possibility of “spitting” is excluded due to the unique barrel air cooling system.

    If convection cooling of the barrel decreases, then the intensity of this cooling decreases, so this is a direct way to overheating !! laughing
    In addition, with excessive barrel overheating, the possibility of “spitting” is excluded due to the unique barrel air cooling system.

    If the barrel is overheated, then the cooling system did not cope with its task, and the "spits" themselves due to thermal expansion of the barrel dimensions will be with any cooling design, if it did not cope with its task laughing
    From the Ak-74, in fact, there was only the barrel and receiver.

    And this is the most important thing! Since the rest is only the trigger mechanism and the outer parts of the body kit! lol
    Without a new trunk, you can’t create a new machine, even though you turn it around!
    The explanation for this is quite simple - in the country there are no production technologies for small arms barrels
    lol
    What was required to prove that Ukraine was not capable of producing small arms itself, but only redoing old models. The people call it tuning and no one will shout that he created a new one, if it is a redone old.
    1. dokusib
      dokusib 30 September 2015 10: 18
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      I agree with you. Moreover, judging by the first picture, all the elements of the gas-operated automation and the shutter did not undergo significant changes either. Normal Kalash only bullpup. Such attempts around the world are a dime a dozen. So for a throw: Finnish "Valmo" and South African Vector cr-21
    2. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 30 September 2015 10: 20
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      Quote: KA-50
      If convection cooling of the barrel decreases, then the intensity of this cooling decreases, so this is a direct way to overheating !!


      The passage you quoted does not say lowering
    3. Assistant
      Assistant 30 September 2015 22: 30
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      Cool!!!!! The machine itself is pointed, the arrow function only to keep it in the direction of the target !!!! laughing




      In the Ukrainian rifle used convection barrel cooling system


      And here questions arise. The trunk of the subject is closed with a plastic casing. With perforation, of course, but this is not comparable to the open to all winds immediately behind the original forend barrel. Maybe in "Malyuk" a system of blowing air along the outside of the barrel was used, similar to the Lewis machine gun? We look with all our eyes at the disassembly diagram and do not see anything similar to such tricks.



      From the Ak-74, in fact, there was only the barrel and receiver.




      A gas pipe, a piston, a piston rod, a shutter frame, a shutter - this is not the point.
      And this is not yet shown by the trigger.
      But no, the reloading handle was cut from the bolt frame. Then yes, we delete it.
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 30 September 2015 07: 38
    +13
    And .... They also trumpeted first about "Vepr", then about "Fort" ... Both of them in piece lots are used by the SBU - well, that's all ...
    And the fact that they were going to strike Kalashnikov from the pedestal ... Well, I'm sorry, the statement is too loud for those who could not use AK-74 spare parts in their product lol
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 September 2015 23: 25
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      Fort alteration PM, Vepr - AKMS ...
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 2 October 2015 00: 29
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        I mean "Fort" which is a copy of the Israeli tatomat.
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 30 September 2015 07: 52
    +6
    The sample is not bad, but the article is more like an advertising campaign. A lot of people experimented with bullpap from AK, there is no know-how here. Many claimed super features are dubious.
  • Hammer
    Hammer 30 September 2015 08: 05
    +13
    We are waiting for the machine gun "Selyuk" and the grenade launcher "Maidanyuk" lol
    1. torp
      torp 30 September 2015 18: 52
      +1
      And they had a mortar on their maidown, the creatures fired at the golden eagle with beacons. Buryachikha got drunk and shot.
  • Yurmix
    Yurmix 30 September 2015 08: 16
    +2
    Kalash has been considered the standard of automatic small arms for decades, but here they were blinded from what was laughing . The cartridge itself selects the target, it remains to direct the barrel in the right direction and close your eyes. In general, it is sweeter than halva judging by the description of this device, but they tested it in estremy by digging in sand or immersing in water, etc., etc. There is one nuance in this supra, it is a short trunk and you can’t get the destructive power like Kalash. By and large, all this crap is not worth a damn.
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 30 September 2015 08: 31
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      Barrel length AK-74 - 415mm. The trunk is the same
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 30 September 2015 13: 07
        +1
        The barrel length of the AK-74 is 415mm. The trunk is the same,
        so the whole point is in the layout. The center of gravity in this miracle is shifting where, with the same barrel? And how to shoot from this karamultuk? In general, we blinded you from what it was.
        1. K-50
          K-50 30 September 2015 15: 40
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          and how to shoot while lying from this karamultuk?

          What are you! belay
          Lying to shoot? Normal ukroheroes shoot standing at full height, maybe even jumping! Therefore, they will have such a norm laughing
          1. northern
            northern 30 September 2015 20: 51
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            And only from the belly and with two hands, the remba is unfinished.
  • Izotovp
    Izotovp 30 September 2015 08: 24
    +6
    Hm! The degree of convenience is beyond praise !!! Ergonomics shines straight !! The fuse translator was especially good, somewhere in the shoulder region and the extraction window near the shooter's face. Another masterpiece of no analogues.
  • Doomph
    Doomph 30 September 2015 08: 32
    +3
    The statement about better accuracy was also ridiculed with the same barrel and receiver as AK.
    It looks like another scam.
  • Mavric
    Mavric 30 September 2015 08: 34
    +6
    Everything is cool, just a key phrase: There is no production of trunks in Ukraine. So this is nothing more than a show off.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 30 September 2015 08: 45
    +2
    It looks like a decent club. Anyway, they won’t do anything else in Northern Somalia.
  • Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 30 September 2015 09: 05
    +3
    At first I read the name of the machine as "Mamluk" ... ("Mameluk")
  • Val_y
    Val_y 30 September 2015 10: 00
    +2
    Quote: inkass_98
    So why then did they start producing "Tavor" under license? I remember the Bloody Pastor with "Fort" prancing around in the staged photos. Why would the army have two bullpup assault rifles to complicate supply and maintenance? There was a video from the exhibition, and so "everything is not so simple." The fighter was not immediately able to insert the magazine into the mine, the window for ejection of spent cartridges is visually very close to the shooter's face, will not his eyes suffer? And this layout is for right-handers only. A left-handed person will not be able to shoot from it at all without alteration, while anyone can shoot from a classic machine gun.

    Guys, don't break your heart !! It's just a cut of the attendants, this "baby" is being remade from ... AK-74 (and a worker) since neither the mechanisms nor the most important thing are the trunks, on the "ukr" bye-bye. It means that they will allegedly allocate the babos for the purchase of babies, they will create how much and ... the topic will quietly die out, the main thing is that the babos are allocated hi
  • Val_y
    Val_y 30 September 2015 10: 05
    +1
    Quote: K-50
    And this is the most important thing! Since the rest is just the trigger mechanism

    Let no pas.dulyka, the trigger mechanism, and the mechanism for supplying cartridges to almost AK whistle, ONLY the pull of the trigger from the trigger to the trigger. So that... hi
  • Alex_59
    Alex_59 30 September 2015 10: 06
    +2
    At the core I see the AK-47? This is a copyright violation - let the Kalashnikov concern solder them.

    And yet - it's stupid to write "more ergonomics" than Kalashnikov's, comparing the 2015 handicraft and the 1947 product. They would also compare with the club of a stone man.
    1. 0255
      0255 30 September 2015 10: 41
      +2
      Quote: Alex_59
      At the core I see the AK-47? This is a copyright violation - let the Kalashnikov concern solder them.

      Also tell about the copyright for the Kalashnikov assault rifle to the Germans, Chinese, Romanians, Albanians, Egyptians, Iraqis, Serbs, Poles, Israelis, who produced Kalashs or weapons based on them, without asking M.T. Kalashnikov for this permission
  • Leisure
    Leisure 30 September 2015 10: 25
    +1
    A strange occupation, remodeling one machine in another.
  • dokusib
    dokusib 30 September 2015 10: 31
    +2
    Dill forgot to say that the fashion for bullpup passed seven to ten years ago. Almost all modern developments have a classic design. Steyr AUG and FN M2000 for some reason did not receive followers despite their steepness
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 September 2015 23: 29
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      Quote: dokusib
      Dill forgot to say that the fashion for bullpup passed seven to ten years ago. Almost all modern developments have a classic design. Steyr AUG and FN M2000 for some reason did not receive followers despite their steepness

      it's because Tabor steers...

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        Quote: PSih2097
        this is because Tabor rules ...

        Really? Tell me where and what! Even the Chinese brothers are rearmed with the QBZ-95, which is no worse than the "Tavor", and in some characteristics even surpasses it, to the classic QBZ-03.
    2. luiswoo
      luiswoo 1 October 2015 00: 08
      +2
      Quote: dokusib
      Dill forgot to say that the fashion for bullpup passed seven to ten years ago.

      In the sense of fashion has passed? Like a small weapon like a car, every three years a new model is needed, stylishly-fashionable-modern, or not regression and stagnation? :)
      ASH-12 adopted in the 2011 year. Very fresh: ADF (A-91М) and ASVK were adopted in the 2013 year.
      The weapons have not yet been withdrawn: IEDs, KSVK, OC-14.
      And this is only in the Russian army.
      1. dokusib
        dokusib 1 October 2015 02: 13
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        You luiswoo list the development of just the nineties. What does it mean not standard models of infantryman’s weapons, but highly specialized models, so to speak, which, if adopted, are only used by special forces. And sniper rifles in general from another opera. By the way, what kind of beast such ASVK I do not remember?
        1. luiswoo
          luiswoo 1 October 2015 16: 02
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          Quote: dokusib
          list the development of just the nineties

          If it seems that making the A-91 shoot a special cartridge underwater = screw the weaver rail, then this is sad. The date the appearance of ASH-12, before 2000's does not occur at all. It’s not necessary to generalize, it’s possible to agree that there is nothing newer in the world than G11 and AN-94, and everything else is based on AK, FN FAL, M-16. And then he completely stopped, claiming that the G11 \ AN-94 was old - everything had been invented for a long time in automatic and not very artillery.
          not standard models of infantryman’s weapons, but highly specialized models, so to speak, which, if adopted, are only used by special forces

          In your first post, you again summarized "bullpup fashion went seven years - ten years ago"no weapons a simple the infantryman was not mentioned, but they spoke for all the "rolls". In any case, in Russia, no one used "buns" except for the special forces.
          1. dokusib
            dokusib 1 October 2015 21: 52
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            Abakan is a classic layout if that. And the G-11 was a purely conceptual development that turned out to be useless to anyone. In place of her, Heckler and Koch continued to develop their G-36 line to hk416 and hk417
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput 3 October 2015 11: 13
              +1
              Quote: dokusib
              In place of her, Heckler and Koch continued to develop their G-36 line to hk416 and hk417

              About how! laughing And no, so the r36 is the fruit of love between the British Royal ordnance and H&K, in fact it is a British "rifle for the poor" SAR-87 in a plastic wrapper from the HUK. The SAR-87 itself is based on the bolt group from the SA-80, which in turn is copied from the Stoner AR-18. Well
              Quote: dokusib
              hk416 and hk417
              nothing more than the well-known rifles of the AP15 / M16 family with the replacement of the "direct gas supply" into the bolt carrier with a gas piston with a short stroke - which at the time of the appearance of hk416 was no longer an absolute revelation - there were already several similar modification kits for ARKs at that time firms - so that from HUK in hk416 and hk417 only letters in the name laughing
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      2. gross kaput
        gross kaput 1 October 2015 12: 18
        +1
        Quote: luiswoo
        The weapons have not yet been withdrawn: IEDs, KSVK, OTs-14

        as well as PPSh, PPS, SVT, RPD, SCS and many other interesting things that are stored in the warehouses of the mob. of the reserve - just like that, they are not Native weapons but have not been removed from armament but are put into storage in case of big cabum.
        With regards to thunderstorms and IEDs - these samples were never adopted by the Ministry of Defense, a small number fell into the Ministry of Internal Affairs where they happily gather dust in weapons.
        1. luiswoo
          luiswoo 1 October 2015 16: 10
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          And where did I specifically mention MO?
          What and where is gathering dust, I do not know, do not share the official source?
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 1 October 2015 17: 36
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            Quote: luiswoo
            do not share the official source?

            The source of what? the presence of specific weapons in a particular unit, and in addition with numbered registration and a pin list? laughing Do not tell my slippers, even if you have access to these documents, there are no crazy people who would put them on the network for you because they all pass by secret - out of the blue, picking up this article is not to our collective farm laughing Well, about a thunderstorm and an IED, if you were in the "topic", then you would not ask idiotic questions - the benefit of free information on them is enough, as well as their lack of the GRAU index - if, of course, this tells you something.
  • Protonbrest
    Protonbrest 30 September 2015 10: 51
    +1
    "Pi..yuk" automatic machine. "Bald Yaytsenyuk"?
  • lexx2038
    lexx2038 30 September 2015 11: 03
    +1
    You can say what you want, the picture also does not understand much. Maybe better, maybe worse than Kalashnikov - time will tell, unless of course there is where and to whom to produce it.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 30 September 2015 11: 12
    +1
    Ergonomics he certainly decent ......
    massive shutter ...... barrel and gas piston from Soviet AK ......
    What is the fundamental novelty in this machine?

    wild boar, fashionable
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 September 2015 11: 23
    +1
    I would like to see how to shoot from this miracle from the left shoulder? just stay without eyes. The extraction window is then la-la-la. I am silent about the rest of the pearls. Enough phrases - does not own the technology of trunks.
  • Novor_Donetsk
    Novor_Donetsk 30 September 2015 11: 38
    +3
    an advertising article, an automatic gun with a barrel and a bolt from an old AK-74, by no means will become more crowded and more precise than its ancestor, and how are they going to shoot 5.45 NATO 5.56 from Kalash’s barrel?
  • Sochi
    Sochi 30 September 2015 11: 52
    +3
    it will be amazing for a left-hander ... all the gases are in a mug, but the usual shooter will also "breathe" well with intense shooting. The classic Kalash with the stock folded is no longer at all ... and the approach of the aiming bar to the eye does not in the least contribute to the accuracy of shooting, on the contrary it makes it difficult. In short, another ukoboronprom crap, like all his other attempts ...
  • Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 30 September 2015 12: 02
    +1
    the Chinese bullpup from the Kalash turned out to be like ... BUT at 100 meters it showed much worse accuracy when firing in long lines ..... the house stood - 130 steps to it - from the "five" on it all and sundry eights were drawn on the wall ... I didn't shoot but en-carpet - they say there finally 3 bullets go into a heap ..
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 30 September 2015 13: 17
      +3
      Quote: Yak-3P
      China bullpup from Kalash seems to have turned out ..

      China has never fooled around - TYPE 95/97 has nothing to do with AK, the bolt vaguely resembles SVD with the number of combat stops, and this is where the similarities with domestic weapons end.
      Quote: Yak-3P
      BUT at 100 meters showed a much worse accuracy when firing long lines ...

      Have you come up with?
  • Silinvv
    Silinvv 30 September 2015 12: 20
    +1
    Wingedly! Copy TAR-21 and give the Israeli developer as his own.
  • Coboklo
    Coboklo 30 September 2015 12: 20
    +1
    Well and Cho?
    Scarecrow in the garden, this kid will do.
    Personally, I was not afraid, I think others, too.
  • 2s1122
    2s1122 30 September 2015 12: 24
    +1
    Malyuk quickly brings him into a firing position for stelba. Tell me please, in comparison with the technical line or something, now all in-arms are created with the most convenient use. And I check the reliability of the product in time.
  • forester
    forester 30 September 2015 12: 25
    +3
    It's just a "little boy" soon the "boy" is blinded by "uncle" and "didu"
  • gross kaput
    gross kaput 30 September 2015 13: 07
    +6
    From the AK-74, in fact, there was only the barrel and receiver.
    And also the bolt carrier with the bolt, and the trigger, i.e. almost all iron, with the exception of a gas tube that acts as a reloading handle - which by the way is far from being a revelation, and in the states and in the Russian Federation, craftsmen have been doing this for a long time, and accordingly the gas piston is designed to interact with it, the only question is whether there is a possibility there, if necessary ( with not completely locked, etc.) of rigid engagement of the piston with the handle? - looks like no. A statement about greater reliability hung up - a design made of AK, from completely native main parts could not be "more reliable" a priori, but due to the addition of a mass of new models, such as an add-on brought forward. a trigger with a long pull, a new-made movable gas tube and other "collective farm-tuning" reliability theoretically should decrease - because the more moving elements in the structure, the more options for possible malfunctions. Yes, and the very idea of ​​converting AK into a roll is a dead end - the whole world has understood this for a long time and serious people have not been doing this for 15 years - how not to be perverted, but without a radical alteration of the WHOLE structure, when only the barrel and the bolt will remain from the base, an adequate roll from AK not blind, but Ukrainians have no other option but to "tune" the warehouse AK and pass them off as super-mega-nano blasters that have no analogues.
  • Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 30 September 2015 13: 27
    +1
    Another mockery of the "Kalash". One word - troyes
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  • The brightest
    The brightest 30 September 2015 13: 54
    0
    Ukrainians a couple of years ago tried to do something on bullpup and in general the project stalled. Then they stupidly bought a license for the Jewish Tavor TAR-21, they even went through it once with him at the parade. But the fact is that the Jews did not allow them to make their own trunks, respectively, the NATO caliber and they have no cartridges for them))))))))))))) Of the new, in my opinion there was only a barrel from Kalash stuck, but in appearance the same Jew tavor http://3mv.ru/publ/vooruzhenie_drugikh_stran/shturmovaja_vintovka_tar_21_izrail/


    13-1-0-11951
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 30 September 2015 14: 49
    +1
    There is still no serial production, no operating experience - but already "peremoga". Particularly touching is the use of AK-74 barrels "as a donor" and "glorious future" as the most reliable weapon. Well, yes, "God forbid, and our calves zist". I really do not want to specifically criticize this "product", so as not to help the "non-brotherly" Armed Forces of Ukraine bring weapons.
  • Silinvv
    Silinvv 30 September 2015 15: 00
    +1
    Tavor Israel trades well, not to mention the fact that the army is equipped with tavors, and there are several modifications, from compact to sniper rifles. If Kyrgyzstan is not mistaken, then Azerbaijan bought tavors for the army and even went with them at the Victory Parade in Moscow. Tavor has one problem - price. If M16 Israel receives at a bargain price of 100 bucks, then the tawor even for the Israeli army costs $ 1000. And since Israel’s arms trade is a very significant source of income, they won’t let Ukarina trade their designs even with the AK barrel.
  • tolancop
    tolancop 30 September 2015 16: 21
    +2
    Ukrainian agitation and nothing more ... There is no weapons school, but have you made a model that surpasses the recognized machines? while not having our own production of barrels ... Well, well ... The barrel is the same, the cartridge is the same. The speed of the bullet is the same, but the recoil is one and a half times less. And this is with the difference in weight between this "diva" and the AK-74M in 130 grams (4%). Physics is resting ...
    It is possible that the return was greatly reduced due to another automation scheme, other materials. But then success was achieved due to a significant complication of the design (hi reliability !!!). Again, the weight of the new craft does not differ much from the original sample. If the design is changed and complicated, then the weight should have grown more noticeably. This can be avoided through the use of new materials (without checking time for reliability it’s too early to say), or by facilitating parts made from tested materials (again, hi of reliability) ... It doesn’t fit ... They all do not like people ...

    ps I am an amateur. But friends with logic and common sense ...
  • Type 63
    Type 63 30 September 2015 16: 26
    +1
    Isn't it "Tavor"?
  • artura0911
    artura0911 30 September 2015 16: 29
    +2
    It looks beautiful, but do not compare reliability with Kalash, as yet no one has managed to create a weapon more reliable than Kalash !! and especially Ukrainians))))))))
  • kravch67k
    kravch67k 30 September 2015 18: 45
    +2
    Something I did not understand, the AK-74 (5.45) or AK-47 (7.62) sawn-off shotgun with the HANDLE from the grenade launcher with plastic TUNING ---- IS THIS NEW WEAPON? In vain the USSR spent money on my studies. And why are the levels only 3, not 5, or 10. The author, and the glushak is also set on the bar?
    I read it that way.
    Shop in the mine? Why, in tall grass, in a bush, try reloading. I don’t remember if the store had fallen out of CLASSIC KALASH at least once. In short --- collective farm tuning after a long shooting game on a computer. And another question --- where is the special pick-wand, to get every bjak out of the steep barrel casing with some kind of cooling system (as on PPSh - but there the shooter took care of his hands) It seems somehow.
    1. tracer
      tracer 1 October 2015 16: 01
      +1
      Few people noticed, but all these convection holes for cooling the barrel will clog at the first serious field exit. And it’s not even very important when in winter or summer. Anyone who is familiar with the service and knows that this is well aware that, for example, in winter, when shooting, the machine warms up in frosty weather, snow falls on it, then it all turns into ice. There have never been any problems with the classics, but these miracle holes will surely clog with ice and still be dirty ... Beauty is what ... In a word, this little guy does not stand up to criticism. So, some misunderstanding. However, like the country itself - a misunderstanding. Funny politicians, funny government, and warriors when they seem worse they want to become even funnier.
    2. tracer
      tracer 1 October 2015 16: 01
      0
      Few people noticed, but all these convection holes for cooling the barrel will clog at the first serious field exit. And it’s not even very important when in winter or summer. Anyone who is familiar with the service and knows that this is well aware that, for example, in winter, when shooting, the machine warms up in frosty weather, snow falls on it, then it all turns into ice. There have never been any problems with the classics, but these miracle holes will surely clog with ice and still be dirty ... Beauty is what ... In a word, this little guy does not stand up to criticism. So, some misunderstanding. However, like the country itself - a misunderstanding. Funny politicians, funny government, and warriors when they seem worse they want to become even funnier.
  • holgert
    holgert 30 September 2015 19: 15
    +1
    Somewhere I've already seen it !!!! It reminds of both ovskaya and German and most of all British assault. But most of all of the fantastic blockbusters about "" future "" zoddaten ....
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 30 September 2015 21: 08
    +1
    "Malyuk" is in no way inferior to them in its characteristics, therefore may have worthy export potential, especially since its cost is significantly lower than that of competitors.


    Well, this is until the Soviet trunks with the AK-74 will not end.

    It seems somehow like that. yes
  • saenara
    saenara 30 September 2015 21: 53
    +1
    Plastic fantasy on the theme of AK and OTs-14. Although there is a definite plus in the hinged casing of the receiver cover (Well, is it the cover itself? I do not believe it!), Judging by the title picture. But it’s not clear why the machine weighing 3.2 kg is so healthy? Or is this uncle so compact?
  • Tai
    Tai 30 September 2015 22: 57
    +1
    The article is reminiscent of SBU propaganda, such as, our zradniks, engineers, have savvy a flea ... they are not far off! Yes, it’s all nonsense, they want to create something cooler in a year than the models for which the states spent much more decades in the economic and engineering plan? No guys, I don’t believe ....
  • wiwa
    wiwa 30 September 2015 23: 00
    +2
    reliability is tested by time, not by the manufacturer. judging by the photo, this is a nonsense, a miserable brainchild of a second nonsense ....
  • mksergol
    mksergol 1 October 2015 11: 46
    0
    We make new packaging and coward about the latest developments. How is it in Ukrainian :)
  • Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 2 October 2015 09: 19
    0
    On the “battlefield” other guns except AK and PC, I did not see!
    And most likely I will not see this sample either.
  • shafran
    shafran 2 October 2015 16: 59
    0
    Listen, I'm certainly not an expert (not even close expert), but ...
    Guys, in my opinion this is a regular Kalashoid in a standard modification for NATO: Picotini bars wherever there can be Picotini bars, a holographic sight, folding, but not removable mechanical sights, bullpup (fashionable, what's so bad?). I don’t see anything special, there are no super-innovations here, but in my opinion there are no complaints about them either.
    Just a trendy NATO-style prodigy, nothing out of the ordinary.
    If in front of a soldier a blast grenade is blown up, then from 20 meters it can still be mistaken for FN F2000. Profit

    If you do not touch on the subject of Ukraine, then it seems to be a weapon as a weapon, just in beautiful accessories, I don’t understand why everyone is so fed up.
    All good.