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Why Russia saves Syria, not Ukraine

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It is asked why Russia joins the military confrontation in Syria, but not in Ukraine. Like, what, the Syrians are closer to us Ukrainians? Not only that, but, in general, sadly, it turns out that yes - some became brothers in spirit, ready to fight for their right to be human, others - sold out for beads and called themselves “non-brethren.”


Comparing Syria with Ukraine is very revealing, as it gives answers to the main questions about Ukraine: how and why Russia acted this way and not otherwise. Both countries became victims of Western propaganda and aggression, attempts to bring scumbags and terrorists to power. But the script is completely different.

Why Russia saves Syria, not Ukraine


Syria.

1. President Assad did not go on about the "peaceful opposition" and the ultimatums of the West.

2. When the West launched a scumbagging terrorist against him, passing it off as a rebel, Assad found support in the Syrian elite. Despite a series of betrayals, he managed to retain control of the country through the management layer and army personnel.

3. The United States on the ruins of Iraq is creating a new gang of ISIS and delivering a new, even more severe blow to Syria.

4. During the 4 years in the toughest battles, despite the huge sacrifices and multimillion-dollar migration, Syria continues to resist gangs of scumbags, demonstrating will and a sober understanding of the situation. The people of Syria, along with the core of the elite and the government becomes a monolith.

Ukraine.

1. President Yanukovych, indirectly supported by Moscow, at the decisive moment (February 21) got cold feet. He did not take responsibility for the necessary violence and still considers it an achievement.

2. The elite, in turn, betrayed both Yanukovich and that part of the country that did not share pro-Western views and was oriented towards Moscow. The elite surrendered to the West with giblets. Zero resistance.

3. The population of Ukraine, sadly, for the most part accepted - either frightened or left aside - the illegal seizure of power by scumbags in Kiev and in the field. Only the Crimea, Donbass, and hundreds of people in Odessa, Zaporozhye and Kharkov rendered active resistance.

4. For more than a year and a half, the population of Ukraine, despite all the bullying of scumbags, has tolerated them and, moreover, allows them to set them against the residents of Donbass and Russia. No propaganda can justify the fact that many Ukrainians have committed treachery within themselves. Ready to kiss the shoe of a US soldier to trample on the Russians. A shame.

What is the result?

In Syria, Russia stepped up its assistance only after it saw that Assad was on the verge of a possible defeat, when Syria demonstrated all the 100% of its capabilities, and even more. When, judging by some information, Washington was ready to conduct a ground operation to eliminate Assad.

Purely legal detail, important personally for Putin as a lawyer: Assad is the legal authority in Syria, which officially, on behalf of the majority of the people, asked for help. The Russian military base has long been located in Syria. There are no obstacles in terms of international norms and laws in assisting Damascus.

What is in Ukraine? Immediately after the violent seizure of power in Kiev, Moscow, by carrying out a unique operation, fulfilled the minimum task: it defended the Crimea and its fleet from the invasion of extremists. At that moment it was legal and understandable - the state collapsed, extremists came to power, the inhabitants of the peninsula expressed unequivocally against them and for returning to Russia. Russia had a pivot point in the form of a military base. This is a unique situation in reality.

Further, Moscow, clearly expressing its position on what happened in Kiev, was expecting a reaction from local residents and elites. Active resistance waited only in the Donbass. In Kharkov and Zaporozhye, it came to naught at the first wave of terror. The burning in the Odessa House of Trade Unions became that tragic point, after which it became clear that, throughout Ukraine, the resistance turned out to be the lot of singles, and the majority accepted this power and believed in its propaganda of hatred towards Russia.

During the election of Poroshenko, the junta actually received a mandate from the majority of the population, and the window of opportunity to overthrow the impostors with the help of Russia slammed shut. Yes, it was the defeat of the Russian world in most of Ukraine, and Moscow was forced to admit this. There was nobody to lean on Ukraine.

The only task left is to defend the Donbass without direct intervention of the Russian army, which would look like external intervention and would be unacceptable for Russia. And in principle, it was possible, but, to a great regret, it led to huge casualties, since the Russian army could not speak out directly and use its full potential, the Kiev authorities were so frostbitten that they formally treated the citizens of their state as nonhumans and killed them frenzy.

To recognize the Donbass independent and to annex Russia, had no legal right, since in these territories there was not enough self-government and successive power, as in Crimea. In addition, having annexed Donetsk and Lugansk (a small part even from the territory of Novorossia), Russia thereby dismissed the rest of Ukraine. The Donbass turned out to be the anchor that kept Kiev under our influence, exhausting its regime.

So: military assistance to Syria can be official and even direct, because in Syria there is legitimate power, a cohesive elite and a heroic people who have not betrayed or sold out. In Ukraine, however close she was to us, none of this turned out to be. We all together lost this territory ideologically, and therefore (so far) we are not able to fight openly in a military way.

In Syria, scumbags who call themselves true Muslims resist with machine guns in their hands; in Ukraine, with scumbags calling themselves patriots, they are considered as having power — the streets are called by their names. This is a fact, and this is not going anywhere.
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  1. Sasha75
    Sasha75 26 September 2015 05: 31 New
    +141
    Because there will not be us, there will be chaos that Amers need, and let Ukraine go down into the Stone Age and see.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 26 September 2015 08: 31 New
      +13
      Consequently, there is a theoretical possibility of firing Caliber at the positions of the Nazi scum in Khlamin from the Syrian base and no one will notice this, because ballistic missiles are already in use there, and what type no one will understand.
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 26 September 2015 08: 46 New
      +54
      Ukraine is not going anywhere, there are threats to our interests, except there is no springboard for provocations. The collapse of Assad will bring down even more hydrocarbon prices - this is a direct threat to our economy, which is almost half based on hydrocarbons. Or I'm wrong? I'll go rub the glasses. hi
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 26 September 2015 08: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: Balu
        Baloo (6) Today, 08: 46 ↑ New
        Ukraine is not going anywhere, there are threats to our interests, except there is no springboard for provocations. The collapse of Assad will bring down even more hydrocarbon prices - this is a direct threat to our economy almost half hydrocarbon-based. Or I'm wrong? I'll go rub the glasses.

        In my opinion you are mistaken. Read diesel export statistics (it will be clear why it is more expensive than diesel fuel 95go).
      2. atalef
        atalef 26 September 2015 09: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Balu
        The collapse of Assad will bring down even more hydrocarbon prices-

        Why
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 26 September 2015 09: 29 New
          +42
          Whose control over pipelines from Iraq and Iran to Turkey will continue? Isil sells oil to the same Turks for 20 bucks. Through Syria, Qatar and the Saudis want to lay their pipelines in Europe. Sraily has a similar interest. That is why all this pack is tormenting Syria.
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 September 2015 09: 52 New
            -24
            Quote: Balu
            Whose control over pipelines from Iraq and Iran to Turkey will continue?

            Do you already have these pipelines?
            Second, you actually recognize that Iran .... will bring down even more oil prices, a friend, you can laughing

            Quote: Balu
            Isil sells oil to the same Turks for 20 bucks

            Yes, even for nothing, this volume is so miserable (less than 0.001% of the daily sales in the world) that the piano does not play any
            Quote: Balu
            Through Syria, Qatar and the Saudis want to lay their pipelines in Europe

            Will they pave in one day?
            Did you even look at the map? They should at least begin to lay it through Jordan, then - Syria, then - Turkey - this will be more authentic than the Power of Siberia laughing
            There are roads that are shorter and safer.
            Quote: Balu
            Sraily has a similar interest.

            Well, and what? The same through Syria to drive pipelines? How was it with geography?
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 26 September 2015 10: 00 New
              +15
              Srail is like an octopus, to control something it is enough to have your own person. In chess, the weight of a piece is also determined by its position.
              1. atalef
                atalef 26 September 2015 10: 23 New
                -21
                Quote: Balu
                Srail is like an octopus, to control something it is enough to have your own person. In chess, the weight of a piece is also determined by its position.

                Cool analysis, and most importantly informative laughing
                Add something else about EW and Buran - there will be no price comment wink
                1. Baloo
                  Baloo 26 September 2015 12: 41 New
                  +17
                  I’m not a military man or a politician, I expressed my opinion that I won’t block up the air.
                2. Balbesoid
                  Balbesoid 29 September 2015 18: 44 New
                  0
                  Standard troll-bot, working on the principle - I'm the only smart and educated one here, to the Vatnikov troll! Old man is no longer interesting
            2. kot stepan
              kot stepan 26 September 2015 11: 20 New
              +34
              About the pipeline. Everything at all started because of the possibility of its construction on the territory of Syria. Assad rested - Qatar attempted to change the regime with the hands of radicals. At the same time, the Russian Federation risks losing control over traffic through Syria. As for Iran ... Russia bought and buys hydrocarbons from it and sells it under the guise of its "kerosene shop."
              Who benefits from this war is Israel. I do not claim that it was he who inspired this case. But this is like manna from heaven - some enemies will kill others. Those who remain will be so battered that for a long time they will not be capable. Risks for Israel, of course, exist in this scenario - and therefore the negotiations in Moscow - to minimize them.
              1. atalef
                atalef 26 September 2015 12: 41 New
                -19
                Quote: kot stepan
                About the pipeline. Everything at all started because of the possibility of its construction on the territory of Syria. Assad rested

                Why did it rest? Answer
                Quote: kot stepan
                .As for Iran ... Russia bought and buys hydrocarbons from it and sells it under the guise of its "kerosene shop."

                There was none of this.
                The conversation went on. Russia supplies goods to Iran. Iran gives Russia oil - it sells it.
                It all ended before it even started.
                Quote: kot stepan
                Who benefits from this war is Israel.

                That's for sure, just for a completely different reason.
                Quote: kot stepan
                Of course, there are risks for Israel

                What kind ?
                1. kot stepan
                  kot stepan 26 September 2015 13: 08 New
                  +12
                  Is it really not clear why Assad rested ?!
                  So Russia sells and sold most of Iranian oil. What you remembered, the same thing had a place to be.
                  Yes, there are other reasons, but in the short term, it’s precisely the ones that I wrote about.
                  What are the risks ?! Very funny already. Should I start to list or did you just get excited with a question?
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 26 September 2015 13: 18 New
                    -14
                    Quote: kot stepan
                    how Russia sells and sold most of Iranian oil

                    belay
                    not selling and not selling. and what does (Assad) have to do with it?
                    Quote: kot stepan
                    Yes, there are other reasons, but in the short term, it’s precisely the ones that I wrote about.

                    More details and pliz, pliz
                    Quote: kot stepan
                    Should I start to list or did you just get excited with a question?

                    Get started hi
                    1. cdrt
                      cdrt 26 September 2015 15: 27 New
                      -19
                      Quote: atalef
                      not selling and not selling. and what does (Assad) have to do with it?


                      you are trying in vain to argue based on facts. it’s not accepted here.
                      they themselves all about EW and Buran correctly wrote :-)))
                    2. kot stepan
                      kot stepan 26 September 2015 21: 12 New
                      +8
                      I have a feeling that the next question will be about the multiplication table - such as prove that two times two - four times.
                      With all due respect, your questions are rhetorical, that is, not requiring an answer.
                      If the answers to them really interest you - read your own press - there is good analytics there.
                2. Shishiga
                  Shishiga 26 September 2015 23: 00 New
                  +53
                  there is another opinion why not Ukraine
                  1. Suhow
                    Suhow 27 September 2015 21: 59 New
                    +6
                    not everyone in Ukraine such as you describe here, not everyone welcomes the renaming of streets and the dirt of the media, but one in the field is not a warrior, and in this, like me, those who disagree with the current course are guilty. We are few, probably less than a quarter, but we also what’s happening now is the fault of people like me. Maybe if we went against that Maidan even 15-25 percent would have been a friend but the train left. Earlier, I said, there is no leader who would unite the dissent, others do not. I live in Ukraine and I’ll tell you my opinion, the country is waiting ...
                    1. yehat
                      yehat 28 September 2015 16: 32 New
                      +2
                      What is the use of your virtual positivity if there are no actions?
                      the Nazis and thieves act, and you wait, apparently, until they finish,
                      but at the same time, pay taxes to the heroes of the ATO, etc. they paid a pension.
              2. Starley from the south
                Starley from the south 26 September 2015 16: 35 New
                +5
                Quote: kot stepan
                Who benefits from this war is Israel. I do not claim that it was he who inspired this business. But this is like manna from heaven - some enemies will kill others. Those who remain will be so battered that for a long time they will not be capable.

                Looks like then in Israel, the politicians are stupefied - they will be really shitty if ISIS wins. Or do Israel seriously believe that they can curb ISIS with the Americans? laughing laughing laughing
                About the pipeline. He has nothing to do with the matter, that is, to the war. Only the last p.d.i.durok will lay or use the pipeline going through the warring country, and the war there (Middle East) will last a long time, despite who wins in Syria.
                1. Karlovar
                  Karlovar 26 September 2015 18: 49 New
                  +4
                  The USA in BV will suit any situation: eternal chaos and war and China will get strained with oil supplies ... or Syria under American control and all kinds of pipelines go to Europe, Gazprom is brutally pushed back ...
                2. kot stepan
                  kot stepan 26 September 2015 21: 06 New
                  +4
                  Pipeline - all this is before the war! (Starley, you are again stuck - study the history of the issue)
                  Syria for Israel is one of the worst enemies (study the history of the issue). There is IG today - tomorrow the directions of political winds will change, financing will cease and u! For some time they will kick, but for the most part in convulsions. Of course, when there is war at your borders, anything is possible. There are risks. But, for Israel, the game is worth the candle - Syria, as a powerful state and in its former geographical borders, may not exist. All the rest (IS, Iran, Saudis, Qatar, various Sunni and Shiite organizations, etc., etc.) will suffer serious losses, be weakened for a long time, bogged down in conflicts, including and among themselves (allies will become enemies and vice versa).
                  1. Starley from the south
                    Starley from the south 27 September 2015 13: 21 New
                    +1
                    Quote: kot stepan
                    Pipeline - all this before the war!


                    Quote: kot stepan
                    There is an IG today - tomorrow the directions of political winds will change, financing will cease and u!

                    And you should also study history: where did you meet that the radicals after the victory and the cessation of funding, especially the Muslim radicals, will live in peace? Experience shows that they will begin to bite with each other. And only dim-witted politicians, to put it mildly, will rely on the pipe in these conditions. But Israel, and not it alone, apparently forgot how to calculate their steps, if they seriously believe that after the overthrow of Assad and the destruction of Syria, they would be better off. Yes, they DO NOT KNOW this! And no one knows. But I can say one thing: the word given by radical Muslims to anyone is worthless. They can begin to kill their benefactors, that is, citizens of Israel, Turkey, the United States. Examples - the mass, the murder of the American ambassador to Libya, one of them.
                  2. Boatsman_Palych
                    Boatsman_Palych 28 September 2015 13: 50 New
                    +1
                    So the Jews are also sure that the United States controls the Islamic State and other "opposition" and they will not be allowed to go to Israel.
                3. yehat
                  yehat 28 September 2015 16: 35 New
                  +3
                  Israel will not feel bad at all. On the contrary, they will be able to shoot everyone they don't like without extra throwing. Now, in the gas sector, they are forced to at least pretend that they suffer extra losses because of humanism, and with ISIS, the conversation is short and the Israelis are quite happy, because there are no friends around anyway.
              3. Karlovar
                Karlovar 26 September 2015 18: 41 New
                +5
                Naturally, divide and rule the principle! If the Arab world stops wetting each other and unites ..... what will happen ?????
                1. atalef
                  atalef 26 September 2015 18: 57 New
                  -22
                  Quote: Karlovar
                  Naturally, divide and rule the principle! If the Arab world stops wetting each other and unites ..... what will happen ?????

                  Nothing will happen. like nothing happened.
                  They lost all that is possible when they were united (this is the period from 1950 to 1973). Well, then they understood. than getting luli from Israel regularly - it’s better to wet each other laughing
                  1. Starley from the south
                    Starley from the south 27 September 2015 13: 30 New
                    +8
                    Quote: atalef
                    regularly get luli from Israel - it is better to wet each other

                    More precisely, they received luli from Israel with the help of the United States. It’s naive, bordering on stupidity, to believe that Israel alone will stand against those around it and many times superior in number of hostile neighbors. Of course, Israel will show a lot of heroism in such a war, I say without pathos, but in the end it will lose.
                    1. andrew42
                      andrew42 28 September 2015 11: 26 New
                      +4
                      He will not lose, but disappear under the knives of pseudo-Islamic fanatics. There are no Merkava, missiles and drones will not help. The top of Israel has a base where to flush off - to the States, where the main "Palestinians" are. Atalef stubbornly pretends not to realize that Israel is just a “tool” of Jewish banking clan politics. Operational, with a sufficient degree of freedom, but a "tool." And if something goes wrong, if the support of the Yusovsk and British clans is shaky, then six million racist Holocausts (given to Adolf as “lifting”) will seem like flowers, not berries.
                  2. yehat
                    yehat 28 September 2015 16: 39 New
                    0
                    they lost then because they had a completely different attitude to the war.
                    For Israel, it was a war of survival, but for the same Syrians, it was rather a useful adventure. In addition, do not forget that without an arsenal like the United States, Israel would not have survived.
            3. kotvov
              kotvov 26 September 2015 12: 24 New
              +10
              Well, and what? The same through Syria to drive pipelines? How was it with geography ?,
              Then explain how igil oil enters the black market? This is despite the fact that they have not yet fully deployed. And why did Sashka declare Assad an enemy, but refused to recognize the ig as a terrorist entity?
              1. atalef
                atalef 26 September 2015 12: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: kotvov
                then explain how igil oil enters the black market

                Fuel trucks
                1. Will
                  Will 26 September 2015 16: 05 New
                  +3
                  You are all about economics, but the article clearly says about the human factor -
                  ... some became brothers in spirit, ready to fight for their right to remain human beings, others - sold out for beads and were called "non-brothers."


                  Just make it clear - not on the beads, but on the underpants. thoughts below the waist ... As to such-and-such "have sunk". fool
            4. Asadullah
              Asadullah 26 September 2015 17: 38 New
              +13
              Second, you actually recognize that Iran .... will bring down even more oil prices, a friend, you can


              Today, over 80% of Iranian oil is bought by China. That is, it is possible to bring down the price of oil with an instant increase in production at times. Low oil prices are harmful to both Iran and Europe. The latter loses interest on excise taxes and VAT; the social base immediately suffers from this. She is already critical. Iran just does not need an instant infusion of currency, because its economy has already adapted to life under the conditions of sanctions.

              Friends say? But in my understanding, Israel is an even greater friend of Russia, which was shown by its actions in the context of the economic and propaganda war against the Russian Federation. In which he did not join even under great pressure from Washington and Brussels. It’s just that many Israelis on this resource are trying to convince the Russians of the opposite. smile (for whom you work, with ...! laughing )
              1. atalef
                atalef 26 September 2015 18: 04 New
                -6
                Quote: Asadullah
                Today, over 80% of Iranian oil is bought by China. That is, it is possible to bring down the price of oil with an instant increase in production at times.

                No need one time. The supply already exceeds the demand by 3 million barrels per day, and the dependence here is not linear.
                Quote: Asadullah
                . The latter loses interest on excise taxes and VAT; the social base immediately suffers from this.

                Nothing, everything is just introduced an additional tax-BLO (as we have called) and that's it. laughing
                Quote: Asadullah
                Iran just does not need an instant infusion of currency, because its economy has already adapted to life under the conditions of sanctions.

                Of course, 60% of inflation and stagnation is a blunder. Where to rush, used to
                Quote: Asadullah
                But in my understanding, Israel is an even greater friend of Russia, which was shown by its actions in the context of the economic and propaganda war against the Russian Federation

                I would not call Israel a friend. We are not enemies, that’s for sure. Everything about Russia is very careful here. maybe the behavior of Russia is not predictable (many will immediately become proud of happiness). but if you transfer this state to the field of normal domestic relations, you will understand that an unpredictable friend (more precisely, his behavior) is it good?
                Yes, we do not meddle in a propaganda war against Russia. Because they understand that this is not our business. not our war. not our problems --- we have enough of our own
                Quote: Asadullah
                . It’s just that many Israelis on this resource are trying to convince the Russians of the opposite.

                I do not know what the opposite is, but the comments of all Israelis on the resource are approximately the same. it is strange that some forum users want to convince us in this.
                1. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 26 September 2015 21: 35 New
                  +12
                  No need one time. The supply already exceeds the demand by 3 million barrels per day, and the dependence here is not linear.


                  Well, why so rude at once, the demand for fuel rises, and rises not at the basal borders. Demand for bitumen and chemical products fell slightly. But the first is due to the curtailment of European budgets of structural funds in favor of social, the second, due to the introduction of new technologies for processing natural gas. And China will coordinate the sale of Iranian oil. What do you think, the Chinese, as the weighty shareholders of the entire mining industry of Iran will reduce the price of oil to unprofitable? And it is already unprofitable on the shelf, not to mention the exo-pseudo-fraudulent schemes of US-Canadians.

                  Nothing, everything is just introduced an additional tax-BLO (as we have called) and that's it.


                  What are you, what are you! It’s you, in Europe tax policy has reached the scaffold, any party that wants to play for a raise will immediately give its head in the spirit of the French Revolution.

                  Of course, 60% of inflation and stagnation is a blunder. Where to rush, used to


                  I understand your difficult relationship with Iran, which is either scary or nothing, but I, at least once a decade in the Islamic Republic, can reassure you, treat your media on this topic as Ukrainians treat your own - we do not believe, but support. smile By the way, your co-religionists who do not have an Israeli visa also fly regularly from Frankfurt and Tehran. Expensive carpets carry. And from Europe there. Why is this a mystery, but in Persia they are more expensive, those that are not consumer goods.

                  We are not enemies, that’s for sure. Everything about Russia is very careful here. maybe the behavior of Russia is not predictable


                  Well you give, dear! This is not predictable to Russia? !!! Consistent, slow, sometimes to annoyance, upholding one's vital interests, is this unpredictability ?! Today, Russia is perhaps the only country interested in the theological reconciliation of Iran with Israel. But today it’s not in her power to influence the situation, do not rush, let the not-so-healthy person live his last days. In the meantime, refrain from teenage steps.

                  it is strange that some forum users want to convince us in this.


                  Hee hee, you are just with these forum users from the same yard ... the difference is that they played yard football and tore their pants on neighboring fences and apple trees, and you went to solfeggio)) I’m talking to Jews who have never were in Russia or the USSR, which you, Aliya, pompously say that they do not understand anything, but their position is completely different, more, uh, constructive, so to speak. Why?
            5. Victorio
              Victorio 26 September 2015 22: 57 New
              0
              [quote = atalef] [quote = Balu] Control over pipelines from Iraq and Iran to Turkey and who will continue to be? [/ quote]
              Do you already have these pipelines?
              Second, you actually recognize that Iran .... will bring down even more oil prices, a friend, you can laughing

              [Quote]
              Will they pave in one day?
              Did you even look at the map? They should at least begin to lay it through Jordan, then - Syria, then - Turkey - this will be more authentic than the Power of Siberia laughing
              There are roads that are shorter and safer.
              [quote = Balu] Srailey have a similar interest. [/ quote]
              Well, and what? The same through Syria to drive pipelines? How was the geography? [/ Quote]
              ====
              the length of the power of Siberia is about / more than 4 thousand, and where is the extraction from the Saudis?
            6. Awaz
              Awaz 27 September 2015 14: 21 New
              0
              Well, then you tell your version? Just watching what is happening, the mess and instability in the Middle East occurs mainly where there is oil and where authorities and people live their own way, that is, they do not lick the ass of Jews and am, but try to act in terms of efficiency and pragmatism. I understand, but definitely not. After all, everything happens at hand and everything around is insisted on you in the most negative way, and probably when they threw you a thread into the Mediterranean Sea. Although, probably, if you sow enmity and chaos between Arabs and force them to fight among themselves, you can survive in principle. But hardly for a long time.
          2. BLACK-SHARK-64
            BLACK-SHARK-64 26 September 2015 21: 24 New
            0
            tochnik ................. angry
      3. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 26 September 2015 11: 00 New
        +8
        Russian marines joined the battle
        According to DEBKAFILE military and intelligence sources, on Thursday, September 24, at dawn, Russian marines, for the first time since their deployment in Syria, entered the fray. The Russian 810 I Marine Corps, together with units from the Syrian army and Hezbollah special forces, attacked ISIS forces at Kweiris airbase, east of Aleppo.

        This operation was carried out contrary to the guarantees of President Vladimir Putin given to them by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on 21 of September — only three days ago — that the Russian armed forces were in Syria only to protect Russian interests and would not be involved in any joint actions with the Syrian army, Hezbollah or Iranian troops.

        The ISIS forces defending the air base are dominated by Chechen fighters under the command of Abu Omar al-Shishani, who has been considered one of the leading commanders of this terrorist organization for the past two years. 27-year-old al-Shishani, originally from the Chechen enclave of Pankisi in Georgia, like many others, joined ISIS in 2012.

        However, the fight against Chechen fighters was not the only reason for the order to attack the air base given to Russian soldiers in Syria. In DEBKA Weekly 678 of September 11, we predicted that the first task of the Russian troops would be to lift the siege of Syrian rebels from Aleppo, the second largest city in Syria.

        At the first stage, the Russians would have to prevent the blocking of highway No. 5, connecting Aleppo and Damascus, and keep it open to the movement of Syrian army units and military equipment into the city.

        The offensive, which aims to regain control of the Kweiris air base, which was captured at ISIS in mid-June, is the first step in fulfilling Russia's operational plan for the Aleppo region.

        At the same time, very little information can be extracted from messages that appear mainly in the United States. They suggest that Putin, frustrated by the Obama administration’s reluctance to send the US Air Force to act together with Russia in the fight against ISIS, will try to talk about it with Obama if and when they meet behind the scenes of the UN General Assembly on 28 on September.

        According to DEBKAFILE sources, these reports were circulated to mask a serious crisis in the American war against ISIS.

        While Russia delivered troops and modern equipment to Syria, deployed bases and launched offensive operations, the American anti-ISIS efforts received a crushing blow - the decision of Obama’s military “king” of the war with ISIS, General John Allen, to leave in early November.

        Sources close to the general indicate, as a reason, his dissatisfaction with the “White House micromanagement of the war and his refusal to provide adequate resources.”

        The fact that the Russian armed forces launched an offensive on ISIS shortly after announcing Allen’s upcoming resignation shows that Putin is not hoping for American cooperation in the war against Islamic terrorists. However, DEBKAFILE military sources indicate that the most sinister aspect of the Russian attack on the Syrian air base for the US and Israel is that the Russian marines acted in conjunction with the Syrian army and Hezbollah special forces.

        For the first time in the 41 year, beginning with the "war of attrition" against the Israeli Defense Forces in the Golan (1974), Russian forces are fighting along with Syrian forces. Also, this is the first time a world power such as Russia is ready to go into battle along with a recognized terrorist group such as Hezbollah.

        Our sources indicate that this joint attack is in complete contradiction with the tone and content of the comments made by Putin and Netanyahu at their summit.
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2015 11: 25 New
          +13
          Quote: Scandinavian
          According to military and intelligence sources DEBKAFILE

          Here it is not necessary to listen to DEBU - it is difficult to find a more lying resource hi
          1. Scandinavian
            Scandinavian 26 September 2015 11: 41 New
            +3
            I don’t know, just copied the material
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 26 September 2015 17: 04 New
              +10
              Quote: Scandinavian
              I don’t know, only copied material



              This is not the first time that a scandal breaks out at VO due to the info of this DEBK ... You need to filter the garbage, otherwise we all will cross over because of a bunch of idiots from the yellow media ...
            2. navigator
              navigator 26 September 2015 21: 57 New
              +2
              "I don’t know, just copied the material"

              Why spread muddy information?
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            4. ilyinval61
              ilyinval61 28 September 2015 11: 55 New
              0
              And how did this operation end, didn’t you copy something?
              1. yehat
                yehat 28 September 2015 16: 43 New
                +1
                1000 valves remained burning on the outskirts ...
          2. vorobey
            vorobey 26 September 2015 12: 35 New
            +14
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Scandinavian
            According to military and intelligence sources DEBKAFILE

            Here it is not necessary to listen to DEBU - it is difficult to find a more lying resource hi


            good

            According to their information, this is the second battle of the marines ...

            why exactly 810 why not 382 separate BMPs or 61st have more experience ... in the first second Chechen and even in 080808. the more so since 382 contract is 100%

            Sanya ... tremble Israel Russian marines with Hezbollah special forces are a terrible force ...
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 26 September 2015 12: 11 New
          +1
          Even if so? What is so? Nobody lied to anyone. Best defense is attack. I don’t remember who said it already.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 26 September 2015 23: 12 New
            0
            Quote: fzr1000
            Even if so? What is so? Nobody lied to anyone. Best defense is attack. I don’t remember who said it already.

            ==
            only a Marine Corps is not enough for a good attack, but to capture, before supporting the main troops, it’s possible
        3. lopvlad
          lopvlad 26 September 2015 12: 49 New
          +16
          that the Russian armed forces are in Syria only to protect Russian interests and will not be involved in any joint actions with the Syrian army

          what kind of nonsense. Even if he wanted to, Putin could not have made such a promise in such a way as without interaction, finding even Russian instructors and specialists is useless.

          Netanyahu in Moscow could only promise that Assad "will not open a second front against Israel."
          One thing is clear that now Israel has lost the ability to strike at Assad’s troops and military bases and warehouses.
        4. veksha50
          veksha50 26 September 2015 17: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: Scandinavian
          Our sources indicate that this joint attack is in complete contradiction with the tone and content of the comments made by Putin and Netanyahu at their summit.


          You wrote a lot and about nothing ... The reason for the participation of the Marines in the fighting ??? Real ??? And what ended this "controversial" attack ???

          So far I have seen news reports on the participation of Russian marines on news feeds in repulsing attacks on our air base... more precisely, at the airbase where Russian fighters are located (are they Russian legally ??? It is quite possible that they are legally Syrian and there are Syrian crews) ...

          In the spirit of the yellow press, there is no need to immediately distort and present Putin and Russia with the Jesuits ... It seems to me that if Putin wanted to develop military operations with the participation of Russian troops, he would not be "shy" to say this during a visit to Nettanyahu ...

          And again - what is the problem ??? Netanyahu’s primary problem was to convince Russia not to transfer S-300 systems and not strengthen Syria’s air defense system at all ... I don’t think there was a conversation about what our marines can and cannot do ...

          Yes, the ISIS and opposition groups that threaten Assad threaten our bases, even if they are on the other side of Syria, for that matter ... So we repel their attacks ... preventively ...
          1. Hell's Angel
            Hell's Angel 26 September 2015 17: 51 New
            +9
            One "resident" of Israel writes that the S - 300 is full of trash. Their pilots learned how to deal with it using the example of 300k delivered by the Russian Federation to Cyprus. It seems like they specifically conducted exercises with Cypriot air defense. Therefore, as soon as the additional reconnaissance of the positions of the armed forces of the Russian Federation is completed, Israeli aviation will immediately blow them into the trash. Waiting for!
            Yeah! Apparently, Israel and the USA were scared for ISIS.
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 26 September 2015 17: 53 New
              -6
              Quote: angel of hell
              Therefore, as soon as the additional reconnaissance of the positions of the armed forces of the Russian Federation is completed, Israeli aviation will immediately blow them into the trash.

              As soon as they are transferred to Hezbollah.
            2. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 18: 05 New
              -11
              Quote: angel of hell
              Therefore, as soon as the additional reconnaissance of the positions of the armed forces of the Russian Federation is completed, Israeli aviation will immediately blow them into the trash. Waiting for!

              s-300 in Syria will not be.
              This hemorrhoids in Russia will create nothing but problems.
              Yes, and why the S-300 in Syria? With ISIS to fight?
              1. Belousov
                Belousov 28 September 2015 10: 10 New
                +3
                Protect yourself from terribly "friendly" actions from the back.
                And why only with ISIS? But what about their owners? They can’t go anywhere without a no-fly zone. And the S-300 is still an interesting thing. soldier
                And what hemorrhoids will this create for Russia? Strange position: "S-300 trash, but they do not need to be delivered to Syria" wassat request
              2. Belousov
                Belousov 28 September 2015 10: 10 New
                0
                Protect yourself from terribly "friendly" actions from the back.
                And why only with ISIS? But what about their owners? They can’t go anywhere without a no-fly zone. And the S-300 is still an interesting thing. soldier
                And what hemorrhoids will this create for Russia? Strange position: "S-300 trash, but they do not need to be delivered to Syria" wassat request
            3. Arjuna
              Arjuna 28 September 2015 07: 57 New
              +5
              Yes, yes, I also heard Uncle Izzy say to Aunt Gee: "The S-300 is full of trash !!! They (S-300 missiles) make such funny sounds during the explosion that it becomes really funny for our pilots to scream," Azochen vei "they die with laughter ..." I’ll be a reptile, I was so indignant at such a non-kosher Russian product that I had a longing in my breasts!
        5. Asadullah
          Asadullah 26 September 2015 18: 05 New
          +7
          The ISIS forces defending the air base are dominated by Chechen militants under the command of Abu Omar al-Shishani,


          Damn, the finished base, with fortified hangars for the sides, two lanes, two backup, fuel and lubricant warehouses. We need it ourselves. Yes, and it was said, for the protection of Russian facilities, Kveiris was given to the Syrian authorities of Russia for unlimited use, which means that you have to take your own. smile Seriously, the Marines were not there, but some sides were bombed. But Margoshvili’s dried ears have long been waiting for some demobilization album. Anyway, the DEBKA rowing in full, there is no Czech, then shishani. So what kind of shishani?))) What a savagery, two-piece Jews, or are they not Jews from DEBKA, hello, Jews !?
        6. Xsanchez
          Xsanchez 26 September 2015 19: 30 New
          +10
          Russia does not consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization, as in principle the United Nations.
          1. Kaiten
            Kaiten 26 September 2015 19: 35 New
            -16
            Quote: Xsanchez
            Russia does not consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization, as in principle the United Nations.

            And we do not consider it necessary to take a pro-Russian position in your conflict with Ukraine.
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 26 September 2015 22: 15 New
              +12
              And we do not consider it necessary to take a pro-Russian position in your conflict with Ukraine.


              You don’t think so, and the Israeli government is modestly silent, and are conducting joint negotiations with the Russian Defense Ministry. Meet with Putin. And Poroshenko does not meet, sadness. And they are not supplying Ukraine with anything other than weapons, not even any help. Only wounded oligarchs and bandits are treated, those with Israeli citizenship. So, dear, announce the whole list, uh, how many of you there who do not consider it necessary?
            2. Hellbringer
              Hellbringer 28 September 2015 17: 31 New
              0
              Well what can I say.
              "Jedem das Seine"
              History has already said everything ... apparently it will happen again.
      4. aleksandr1949
        aleksandr1949 26 September 2015 14: 34 New
        -5
        "... Ukraine will not go anywhere ..." This is demagogy. Ukraine has already sailed from the shores of Russia to the western side, and, along with Bandera, the Russian-speaking population has sailed as well. Ukraine’s joining NATO and the installation on its territory of ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads aimed at Russia. But Syria needed to be saved when Ukraine was more or less calm and when Assad controlled more than half of the country. And now the Alawites, led by Assad, are pressed to the shore of the Mediterranean Sea. in order to hold out, they need costly Russian assistance and the diversion of military-technical equipment from assistance to the Donbass. Both there and there everything hangs in the balance. This is the result of the Kremlin stupidly indulging the West.
        1. Vadimsh
          Vadimsh 26 September 2015 15: 24 New
          +6
          u, what a smart, analyst to see, everything was straight up on some shelves ... straight everything is sad. Syria territory is a layer cake, and in Ukraine only now there is silence (winter is ahead, and it’s not very good to fight in the steppe conditions, there is not enough greenback)
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 26 September 2015 15: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: VadimSh
            u, what a smart, analyst to see, everything was straight up on some shelves ... straight everything is sad. Syria territory is a layer cake, and in Ukraine only now there is silence (winter is ahead, and it’s not very good to fight in the steppe conditions, there is not enough greenback)


            it’s hard to explain to all the protractors ...
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 26 September 2015 23: 23 New
              -3
              Quote: vorobey
              Quote: VadimSh
              u, what a smart, analyst to see, everything was straight up on some shelves ... straight everything is sad. Syria territory is a layer cake, and in Ukraine only now there is silence (winter is ahead, and it’s not very good to fight in the steppe conditions, there is not enough greenback)


              it’s hard to explain to all the protractors ...

              ====
              so far everything is going to ensure that the "prosrashchikami" will be LDNR, for Russia sees a "united" Ukraine
        2. cdrt
          cdrt 26 September 2015 15: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: aleksandr1949
          Ukraine will join NATO


          straight all the way with the Crimea and the Donbass will enter?
        3. veksha50
          veksha50 26 September 2015 17: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: aleksandr1949
          " This is demagoguery. Ukraine has already sailed from the shores of Russia to the west,


          You know maybe one could agree with this argument ...

          If you weren’t hiding, you didn’t make yourself a complete anonymous author ... That is, you came to VO with obvious goals unacceptable to many of the members of the forum ...

          From the principle, I didn’t set a minus, but I always disdained to talk with anonymous people somehow ...

          So you can not answer ... And you can be rude ... Tyrnet will endure everything ...
        4. Astrey
          Astrey 27 September 2015 21: 59 New
          0
          Save someone completely. The next 50 years of history depend on this.

          ZY In the current horror of "internal occupation" life smolders and turns into a multi-speed dying.
      5. far
        far 26 September 2015 15: 40 New
        +2
        Go, wipe, maybe during this time in the Donbass a couple of children will be killed.
      6. Nick
        Nick 26 September 2015 18: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Balu
        Ukraine is not going anywhere, there are threats to our interests, except there is no springboard for provocations. The collapse of Assad will bring down even more hydrocarbon prices - this is a direct threat to our economy, which is almost half based on hydrocarbons. Or I'm wrong? I'll go rub the glasses. hi

        You are mistaken. Oil and gas in the structure of the Russian economy is less than 10%. Here the state budget is really half made up of tax revenues from oil and gas
      7. Gray-haired
        Gray-haired 27 September 2015 11: 22 New
        0
        Almost half, please refer. Otherwise, a sketch on the fan. repeat
    3. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 09: 20 New
      -22
      Quote: Sasha75
      Because there will not be us, there will be chaos that Amers need, and let Ukraine go down into the Stone Age and see.

      Well, it's just such a control.
      In general, the article is somehow initially provocative.
      In general, they entered Ukraine for some other reason, and Yanek (sort of as according to the media) had nothing to do with
      But what about the salvation of the Russian world, New Russia, judging by what was written in the article - in general, the beginning of this mess was a strategic mistake, because what they wanted - achieved nothing
      With Syria - it will be even worse, these same analysts (it’s not known from which word) - not understanding what is happening in the neighboring (Ukraine) state despite the general mentality, language, roots, history, etc. - are trying to prove something in the country ( Syria) which
      1. I have never been an ally of Russia (I was so a grandmother) and no more, which has no influence in world politics
      2. The country is de facto without any weight in the BV.
      3. Busted and scattered with the Civil War
      4. Well, and of course the slave population - which at any second will sell, betray.
      Get in and get into it?
      And still send your soldiers.
      It will not be the 2nd Afghan - it will be worse and faster.
      Russia does not have a common border with Syria, everything will have to be imported by a thousand marines with a dozen aircraft - this is not a matter to decide.
      It will take tens of thousands of soldiers and hundreds of billions of investments.
      I'm not talking about corpses. And why?
      Isil is ridiculous. Syria is needed for one reason, Putin wants to counterbalance the war in Ukraine and bargain.
      I'm sure nothing good will come of it
      Everyone will just look and say - well, send troops --- and then what?
      Drive bandyuk through the fields? So there bandyukov 70% of the population (Sunnis).
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 26 September 2015 09: 31 New
        +34
        Quote: atalef
        In general, the article is somehow initially provocative.


        Well, yes, Sanya .. then I’m scared NETANYAHU I WAS flying to Moscow and I apparently didn’t attend the opening of a mosque laughing


        Quote: atalef
        It will not be the 2nd Afghan - it will be worse and faster.


        You must first pray to Russia ... if Assad will fall ... God's chosen people will go again from the promised land .. who is in Ukraine who is in the States who in Moscow will remember to return to Russian ... laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2015 10: 00 New
          -7
          Quote: vorobey
          Well, yes, Sanya .. then I’m scared NETANYAHU I WAS flying to Moscow and I apparently didn’t attend the opening of a mosque

          Vlpros was the only one discussed so that advanced weapons would not get to Hezbollah.
          By the way, I think the result of this is that Hezbollah is leaving Syria.
          The last thing we need is to get bombed by Hezbollah - to get into the Russian military.
          And as it seems to me. Israel is generally the same - if you want to fight in Syria - please.
          We are calmer.
          Quote: vorobey
          if Assad falls ... God's chosen people will go again from the promised land ..

          I made fun of it, you’ve already lost all the direct proportions
          Judging by the comments, everyone decided that having brought a dozen - another planes and a couple of thousand soldiers - you already took the defeated ISIS
          It seems to me that the IDF is somehow a hundred times stronger and more secure than your future contingent. So if you already (by judging by the comments) have already rolled out ISIS with this amount, then we certainly have nothing to worry about.
          Quote: vorobey
          who is in Ukraine who is in the States who are in Moscow to remember Russian will return ..

          Well, yes, we were not able to get us out of 5 wars for all the Arab countries together with the full support of the USSR, now ISIS can do something - do not tell.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 26 September 2015 10: 10 New
            +8
            Quote: atalef
            Well, yes, we were not able to get us out of 5 wars for all the Arab countries together with the full support of the USSR, now ISIS can do something - do not tell.


            Yes Yes...
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 10: 24 New
              -6
              Quote: vorobey
              Yes Yes...

              Sanya, yes.
              fact hi
              1. cdrt
                cdrt 26 September 2015 15: 31 New
                0
                direct fact? :-)))
                showed on tv?
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          3. fzr1000
            fzr1000 26 September 2015 12: 13 New
            0
            Everything is changing.
          4. lopvlad
            lopvlad 26 September 2015 13: 21 New
            +24
            Well, yes, we were not able to get us out of here in 5 wars, all Arab countries, together with the full support of the USSR

            The full support of the USSR is when Soviet regular armies would fight on the side of the Arab countries.

            On the situation in Syria

            1) Turkey is a USA puppet.
            2) Israel is a puppet of the United States thinking that it controls the United States and their United States will never give up.
            3) ISIS structure created with US money, which includes militants trained by the United States.

            Total
            The United States supplies ISIS with weapons periodically and bombes Syrian cities when ISIS left (by analogy with Kiev, destroys Syria’s infrastructure) or even the desert. Actually, ISIS support.

            Israel and Turkey, by order of the United States, strike and wage war on those forces that are actually fighting ISIS.
            Israel, with the help of aircraft and drones, attacks the military infrastructure of the Syrian army and its weapons depots. Israeli hospitals are treating al-Nusra militants who are fighting with Assad.
            Turkey picked up the Kurdish question in the country and began to destroy the Kurds as soon as the Kurds began to fight against ISIS (while the Kurds opposed Assad, no one touched them).

            In all this garbage, the self-confidence of Israel and Turkey strikes me (they still believe that ISIS does not pose a threat to them).
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 13: 37 New
              -13
              Quote: lopvlad
              The full support of the USSR is when Soviet regular armies would fight on the side of the Arab countries.

              Well, in practice it was
              Quote: lopvlad
              On the situation in Syria

              1) Turkey is a USA puppet.
              2) Israel is a puppet of the United States thinking that it controls the United States and their United States will never give up.
              3) ISIS structure created with US money, which includes militants trained by the United States.

              Clearly, all homosexuals, only Assad - D.Artanyan
              Quote: lopvlad
              The United States supplies ISIS with weapons periodically and bombes Syrian cities when ISIS left (by analogy with Kiev, destroys Syria’s infrastructure) or even the desert. Actually, ISIS support.

              good
              Powerfully and thoughtfully
              Quote: lopvlad
              Israel and Turkey, by order of the United States, strike and wage war on those forces that are actually fighting ISIS.

              Well, well, can you try on it, Mr. Sovramshi?
              Quote: lopvlad
              In all this garbage, the self-confidence of Israel and Turkey strikes me (they still believe that ISIS does not pose a threat to them).

              In all your written garbage, it’s not my knowledge of either material or facts that amazes me.
              Especially in quantitative terms
              Start at least with the number of Israeli strikes, the number of casualties and math damage.
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad 26 September 2015 14: 01 New
                +12
                Well, in practice it was

                apparently it was only in the head of the Israelis that they defeated the USSR.

                Clearly, all homosexuals, only Assad - D.Artanyan

                it is among the real ladies that you need to be D. Artagnan, but among the whores it is even harmful.

                Well, well, can you try on it, Mr. Sovramshi?

                yes why is there the first one from Google http://nv.ua/world/geopolitics/izrailskaya-aviaciya-udarila-po-prigorodu-siriysk
                oy-stolicy-23995.html

                not knowledge strikes me

                the same is true only for you. The reason for the constant ass in the region and a common irritant is the state of Israel since its inception.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 26 September 2015 14: 09 New
                  -12
                  Quote: lopvlad
                  apparently it was only in the head of the Israelis that they defeated the USSR.

                  What nonsense. We defeated the Arabs supported by the USSR
                  Quote: lopvlad
                  the same is true only for you. The reason for the constant ass in the region and a common irritant is the state of Israel since its inception.

                  That's for sure, and already for 70 years, 3, 4, 7 or 8 (now) millionth Israel bends the entire BV and its 500 million Arab environment.
                  Do not put on those. laughing
                  1. lopvlad
                    lopvlad 26 September 2015 14: 24 New
                    +19
                    What nonsense. We defeated the Arabs supported by the USSR

                    you write nonsense about full support.
                    And you pointed out that full support is when the regular army of the USSR would fight for the Arabs.

                    You objected to this.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Well, in practice it was
                    .

                    But this was not and therefore you are talking nonsense.

                    Quote: atalef
                    That's for sure, and already for 70 years, 3, 4, 7 or 8 (now) millionth Israel bends the entire BV and its 500 million Arab environment.


                    so bends that even in the toilet in his own cameras he set up and every time he reviews the record before sitting down (suddenly the terrorist planted a bomb). Bending machine found.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 26 September 2015 14: 33 New
                      -13
                      Quote: lopvlad
                      you write nonsense about full support.
                      And you pointed out that full support is when the regular army of the USSR would fight for the Arabs.

                      so the States didn’t fight for us, moreover, not a single soldier (unlike the USSR)
                      Quote: lopvlad
                      But this was not and therefore you are talking nonsense.

                      It was on the side of both the Syrians and the Egyptians (in particular) the personnel units of the SA fought
                      Quote: lopvlad
                      so bends that even in the toilet in his own cameras he set up and every time he reviews the record before sitting down (suddenly the terrorist planted a bomb). Bending machine found.

                      Do not tell tales. laughing
                      1. lopvlad
                        lopvlad 26 September 2015 14: 52 New
                        +17
                        and the States didn’t fight for us, moreover, not a single soldier

                        military experts, instructors of the U.S. Army does not count? Or did American specialists with American drones during the Yom Kippur War not count?
                        The same specialists were from the USSR. A pair of Soviet pilots who fought unofficially in the skies of Egypt can hardly be called a regular army of the USSR.

                        Do not tell tales

                        no tales. Israel is most of all countries in the world bumped with surveillance cameras and the population is most suspicious of each other.
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 26 September 2015 15: 21 New
                        -14
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        military experts, instructors of the US Army does not count?

                        The United States never provided Israel with support - at the level of the USSR - for Arabs.
                        Not a single American soldier was killed for Israel; how many Soviet soldiers died did you find or help yourself?

                        Quote: lopvlad
                        These same experts were from the USSR

                        Not like that
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        A pair of Soviet pilots who fought unofficially in the skies of Egypt can not be called a regular army of the USSR.

                        Well, let's omit the verbiage on the topic of help.
                        Suppose the help was equal (although this is not so), but for simplicity's sake, the USA helped 4 million Israel, like the USSR 500 million Arabs
                        So why did the Arabs lose more than once or twice, but five?
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        no tales. Israel is most of all countries in the world bumped with surveillance cameras and the population is most suspicious of each other.

                        Our concern for the safety of the population is high.
                        Everything has a price.
                      3. lopvlad
                        lopvlad 26 September 2015 15: 46 New
                        +11
                        Not a single American soldier was killed for Israel

                        they are generally immortal. Just because you have not seen their corpses with your own eyes does not mean that they were not there and Western media will not write a word without permission.

                        The reason for the defeats of the Arabs is the air defense that is not able to destroy American reconnaissance drones.
                        If a country's air defense cannot effectively combat drones (not to mention planes and cruise missiles), then such a country is doomed in a war.
                        Striking the Arabs' air defense at the coordinates received from American drones and destroying it, Israel destroyed the Arab forces with impunity from the air.

                        Israel instantly made a puddle for itself when it learned that Russia could sell Syria's S-300s and flew messengers to Moscow to dissuade from this contract. Modern Russian air defense in Syria and Iran can change the balance of forces in the region so that Israeli planes can not take off from their airfields .
                        Russia understands this and therefore has not yet delivered S-300 systems capable of destroying even drones to either Iran or Syria.
                      4. atalef
                        atalef 26 September 2015 15: 58 New
                        -14
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        they are generally immortal. Just because you have not seen their corpses with your own eyes does not mean that they were not there and Western media will not write a word without permission.

                        Well, yes. if they have never been mentioned about them in 70 years, then they are laughing
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        Striking the Arabs' air defense at the coordinates received from American drones and destroying it, Israel destroyed the Arab forces with impunity from the air.

                        Figured it out myself ?
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        Israel instantly made a puddle for itself when it learned that Russia could sell Syria's S-300 installations

                        Sure?
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        Modern Russian air defense in Syria and Iran can change the balance of forces in the region so that Israeli aircraft cannot take off from their airfields.

                        Well, in Syria, we’ll undo the S-300. how they stole everything like this, but deliver to Iran. From us to Iran 2000 km. us s-300 there on the drum
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        Russia understands this and therefore has not yet delivered S-300 systems capable of destroying even drones to either Iran or Syria.
                    2. denis053
                      denis053 26 September 2015 22: 33 New
                      +13
                      And in 1973, Tel Aviv did not take these “Arabs” into almost complete encirclement? 6 years after the much-publicized victory in the 7-day war.
                      When did the US announce their intention to launch nuclear strikes if troops were not withdrawn?

                      The Israelis, with all due respect to them (I believe that they are strong citizens of a strong state), are too prone to their own propaganda. Throwing caps does not always work. 500 million Arabs are a real problem. When the states with their economies and replenishments collapse, Israel will not be greeted.
                      Israel lives off the lobby in the states. I myself was in Israel. There is a desert, resources, in fact, no. The country will not stand up to any long-term military operations without external support. And this despite the heroism of the soldiers and so on. The laws of physics have not been canceled.

                      Who can protect Israel in future problems is Russia. Therefore, your president flew in to talk (mind you, not ours). In such matters there is no place for politeness. Those who are strong also go there.

                      Now the propagandists of Israel may attack. To prove that they never had defeats at all. I won’t even argue. Anyway, in sophistry they will surpass me, the experience is great :)

                      But, in fact, it would be better for Israel to stay away now and carefully listen to what they say in order to survive in the future.
                    3. Asadullah
                      Asadullah 27 September 2015 01: 02 New
                      +3
                      Reasoning very competently.

                      But, in fact, it would be better for Israel to stay away now and carefully listen to what they say in order to survive in the future.


                      In fact, he is trying. Maintain a balance between all players. The only question of today is Iran and the combat units supported by it. Israel considers this a real threat today. Main. From this a sluggish reaction to the IG and stroking half-populations to the Saudi kings, as a possible Iranian antagonist. Syria is as interesting to them as an ally of Iran. Therefore, they live today with this and nothing else. If there are some changes in the madhhab, or the interpretation of such by the ayatollahs, then perhaps the polemic in Iran will change, and Hezbollah will go to fight together with the Islamic State, then the Israeli elite will begin to think in chess categories. In the meantime, they have checkers. This is bad, because any mistake entails a loss.
                    4. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 27 September 2015 09: 14 New
                      +1
                      Quote: denis053
                      There is a desert, in fact, there are no resources

                      It’s not even a matter of resources, but of a small population. 8-9 million of this is enough for short-term conflicts, but if we assume that neither Russia nor the United States will interfere in the affairs of this region, then in the end half a billion Arabs will simply overwhelm the mass.
                      And if you recall the USSR, that is, doubt - but did the then leadership want the defeat of Israel? If you think about it, in the event of a defeat in the six-day war, Israel would not just lose part of the territory, but be completely destroyed, and then a full-scale conflict with NATO could begin.
              2. yehat
                yehat 28 September 2015 16: 55 New
                0
                but about the fact that the United States did not fight, it’s not true
                for example, aviation would not have been able to do the same without serious support from US aviation. At least 2 shots of Syrian fighters were on a tip from an American AWACS aircraft, there were other incidents, I just know this one myself and read about its evidence.
          5. Vadimsh
            Vadimsh 26 September 2015 15: 31 New
            +16
            Dude you forgot the levers of Israeli tanks were Soviet soldiers
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 15: 40 New
              -14
              Quote: VadimSh
              Dude you forgot the levers of Israeli tanks were Soviet soldiers

              Well, yes, another tale (although there was some presence of front-line soldiers from the USSR during the 1948 wars)
              This reminds me of a fairy tale about the Afghans. fighting in the Dobass
              such are the 50-year-old fighters with beer bellies.
              This does not apply to Domocles hi
              1. Good me
                Good me 26 September 2015 18: 28 New
                0
                Quote: atalef
                This does not apply to Domocles

                And Domocles, what, fought in the Donbass?
              2. vorobey
                vorobey 26 September 2015 21: 44 New
                +3
                Quote: Good I
                Quote: atalef
                This does not apply to Domocles

                And Domocles, what, fought in the Donbass?


                On vacation was ... in a sanatorium .. enriched the body with iron .. in the Donbass, our not fighting ... hi
              3. Good me
                Good me 26 September 2015 21: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: vorobey
                On vacation was ... in a sanatorium .. enriched the body with iron .. in the Donbass, our people are not fighting ... hi

                Come on ... I’m generally asking seriously.
              4. vorobey
                vorobey 26 September 2015 22: 38 New
                +1
                hi
                Quote: Good I
                Quote: vorobey
                On vacation was ... in a sanatorium .. enriched the body with iron .. in the Donbass, our people are not fighting ... hi

                Come on ... I’m generally asking seriously.


                I already said more than necessary ..
        2. Asadullah
          Asadullah 27 September 2015 01: 06 New
          +3
          This reminds me of a fairy tale about the Afghans. fighting in the Dobass
          such are the 50-year-old fighters with beer bellies.


          But-but-but, easy! Super marathon do not want? Regularly in Cologne. And on the crossbar we can gloss over the very beer!
      2. Kaiten
        Kaiten 26 September 2015 16: 07 New
        -16
        Quote: VadimSh
        Dude you forgot the levers of Israeli tanks were Soviet soldiers


        Which of the Jews are war veterans. They all sat in Tashkent or fought in the Wehrmacht.
        1. Kaiten
          Kaiten 26 September 2015 20: 21 New
          +4
          Quote: Kaiten
          Which of the Jews are war veterans. They all sat in Tashkent or fought in the Wehrmacht.

          Judging by the minuses, not everyone in Russia thinks so, it is encouraging.
        2. navigator
          navigator 26 September 2015 22: 51 New
          +5
          "Which of the Jews are war veterans. They all sat in Tashkent or fought in the Wehrmacht."

          Well, not all. And there are enough Heroes of the Soviet Union, and traitors, as in any nation.
        3. The comment was deleted.
    4. navigator
      navigator 26 September 2015 22: 39 New
      +2
      "Don't bet on those."

      For those Israeli, for those.
  • cdrt
    cdrt 26 September 2015 15: 32 New
    +7
    Quote: atalef
    Well, in practice it was


    you are in this faith touching the current Ukrainians.
    they, too, all the elite parts of RA have already failed
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 15: 42 New
      -4
      Quote: cdrt
      We in this faith are touching with the Ukrainians of today.
      they, too, all the elite parts of RA have already failed

      Strange comparison
      Ukraine today is about..la all that is possible
      So far, we have not lost a single war and have not lost a centimeter of territory.
      1. navigator
        navigator 26 September 2015 23: 05 New
        +3
        "So far, we have not lost a war and have not lost a centimeter of territory."

        Bursting from Messianism? Not your merit.
      2. The comment was deleted.
  • yehat
    yehat 28 September 2015 16: 50 New
    0
    you invented some strange practice
    all "full" support came down to selling weapons and learning how to use them.
    If it were complete, then much would be different.
  • Vadimsh
    Vadimsh 26 September 2015 15: 28 New
    +2
    Who at ..... where did you beat you?
  • aleks700
    aleks700 26 September 2015 18: 15 New
    +4
    Well, yes, we were not able to get us out of 5 wars for all the Arab countries together with the full support of the USSR, now ISIS can do something - do not tell.
    There will be hundreds of terrorist attacks and shelling. And the shelling of Hezbollah will seem just amusement.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 18: 22 New
      -4
      Quote: aleks700
      There will be hundreds of terrorist attacks and shelling. AND

      We will see
      We didn’t go through this, there’s nothing to scare. We have the same answer
      Quote: aleks700
      And the shelling of Hezbollah will seem just amusement.

      And under this case was pleasant not enough, but here is the result. We sat for 17 days in bomb shelters (more precisely, my family) I worked (although the bomb shelter is right in the apartment, one of the rooms is such that it wasn’t necessary to run around.
      But Nasrallah, for 9 years he has not climbed out of it - the winner laughing
    2. Kaiten
      Kaiten 26 September 2015 18: 24 New
      -6
      Quote: aleks700
      There will be hundreds of terrorist attacks and shelling. And the shelling of Hezbollah will seem just amusement.

      And then there will again be whining on TV - Israel drove Lebanon into the Stone Age.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 11: 33 New
    +18
    Quote: vorobey
    I haven’t flown to Moscow and I apparently didn’t attend the opening of a mosque

    Maybe I requested Russian citizenship.
  • kush62
    kush62 26 September 2015 15: 02 New
    +8
    vorobey
    You must first pray to Russia ... if Assad will fall ... God's chosen people will go again from the promised land .. who is in Ukraine who is in the United States who is in Moscow to remember Russian will return.

    And the Zuckermans will again become the Sakhorovs.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 15: 21 New
      -8
      Quote: kush62
      You must first pray to Russia ... if Assad will fall ... God's chosen people will go again from the promised land.

      laughing
      1. kush62
        kush62 26 September 2015 15: 28 New
        +3
        atalef (8) Today, 15:21 ↑ New

        Quote: kush62
        You must first pray to Russia ... if Assad will fall ... God's chosen people will go again from the promised land.

        Not my quote. but a sparrow. I wrote about the Sakharovs.
    2. Kaiten
      Kaiten 26 September 2015 15: 40 New
      -3
      Quote: kush62
      You must first pray to Russia ... if Assad falls ...

      Because Assad (that father, that son) never sought to destroy our country. Just a protector of the Jews ...
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 26 September 2015 15: 52 New
        +8
        Quote: Kaiten
        Quote: kush62
        You must first pray to Russia ... if Assad falls ...

        Because Assad (that father, that son) never sought to destroy our country. Just a protector of the Jews ...


        Yes, you generally like listening to so clogged with everyone ... asked Toko for sho? and beat for sho?
        1. Kaiten
          Kaiten 26 September 2015 16: 08 New
          -3
          Quote: vorobey
          Yes, you generally like listening to so clogged with everyone ... asked Toko for sho? and beat for sho?

          Well, voice it ..
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 16: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: Kaiten

            Well, voice it ..

            And in response, Face, Face ...
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 26 September 2015 16: 52 New
              -8
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And in response, Face, Face ...

              Hereditary "intellectual", a worthy representative of his people.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 17: 07 New
                +4
                Quote: Kaiten
                Hereditary "intellectual", a worthy representative of his people.

                First in the face, and then along the ridge with a shovel.
                1. Kaiten
                  Kaiten 26 September 2015 17: 21 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  First in the face, and then along the ridge with a shovel.

                  When shooting from a rifle point-blank, a shot is made in the head into the region of the nasolabial region. The bullet affects the cerebellum and there is an instant shutdown of the respiratory and cardiac centers. In general, a nice man, "welcome." We are peaceful people.
                2. vorobey
                  vorobey 26 September 2015 17: 52 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Kaiten
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  First in the face, and then along the ridge with a shovel.

                  When shooting from a rifle point-blank, a shot is made in the head into the region of the nasolabial region. The bullet affects the cerebellum and there is an instant shutdown of the respiratory and cardiac centers. In general, a nice man, "welcome." We are peaceful people.


                  oh ... apparently for this they beat ... the deepest knowledge ... kill point blank ... well, well
                3. Kaiten
                  Kaiten 26 September 2015 17: 56 New
                  -1
                  Quote: vorobey
                  oh ... apparently for this they beat ... the deepest knowledge ... kill point blank ... well, well

                  Here in the Middle East sometimes only like that, tea is not Europe. Your soldiers in Syria will soon realize this. I do not wish them harm, on the contrary I wish that they all return alive. But between us, they sent them to w. It’s hard for them to be there.
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 17: 53 New
                0
                Quote: Kaiten
                . In general, a nice man, "welcome."

                And pour it?
              3. atalef
                atalef 26 September 2015 17: 55 New
                -1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Kaiten
                . In general, a nice man, "welcome."

                And pour it?

                Alexander, good plump, Russian - sober.
                Come, I will solder you with olive oil drinks
              4. Kaiten
                Kaiten 26 September 2015 18: 04 New
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And pour it?

                YOUTUBE
              5. denis053
                denis053 26 September 2015 22: 37 New
                +4
                Quote: Kaiten
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And pour it?

                YOUTUBE


                There are no bottles. These are empty boxes, anyway :)
                Already drunk)))
                I also have a lot of these)))
              6. Kaiten
                Kaiten 26 September 2015 22: 52 New
                -3
                Quote: denis053
                There are no bottles. These are empty boxes, anyway :)
                Already drunk)))
                I also have a lot of these)))


                You are not healthy. Why should I keep cardboard at home? I do not have much space in the bar. I drank the bottle and, together with the cardboard, in the trash. Or do you think that they are being collected in Israel? Maybe you think that we still have packages erased as under the Soviet regime.
              7. kush62
                kush62 27 September 2015 11: 00 New
                +3
                Kaiten (2) Yesterday, 22:52 PM ↑ New
                Quote: denis053
                There are no bottles. These are empty boxes, anyway :)
                Already drunk)))
                I also have a lot of these)))

                You are not healthy. Why should I keep cardboard at home? I do not have much space in the bar. I drank the bottle and, together with the cardboard, in the trash. Or do you think that they are being collected in Israel? Maybe you think that we still have packages erased as under the Soviet regime.

                I think they are being sold there again. Why does good disappear?
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 September 2015 05: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Kaiten

            YOUTUBE

            Oh yeah you are our man smile
  • atalef
    atalef 26 September 2015 17: 28 New
    0
    Quote: vorobey
    Toko asks for sho? and beat for sho?

    And what ? Beat? belay
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 26 September 2015 17: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: atalef
      Quote: vorobey
      Toko asks for sho? and beat for sho?

      And what ? Beat? belay


      No Sanya ... firecrackers explode ... I don’t say anything .. how the Germans were tipped ... sho, they must be 70 years old ...

      By the way, you know my attitude towards Jews is extremely neutral ... but I don’t like the Jews, as it were.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 18: 05 New
        0
        Quote: vorobey
        but I don’t like the Yids like that ..

        Well, something like this laughing
      2. atalef
        atalef 26 September 2015 18: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: vorobey
        By the way, you know my attitude towards Jews is extremely neutral ... but I don’t like the Jews, as it were.

        I also hate racists and blacks.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 26 September 2015 18: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: vorobey
          By the way, you know my attitude towards Jews is extremely neutral ... but I don’t like the Jews, as it were.

          I also hate racists and blacks.

          good
  • kush62
    kush62 27 September 2015 10: 57 New
    0
    Kaiten (2) Yesterday, 15:40 PM ↑ New
    Quote: kush62
    You must first pray to Russia ... if Assad falls ...

    Because Assad (that father, that son) never sought to destroy our country. Just a protector of the Jews ...

    Please refer to the source. I did not write, this is a quote from a sparrow. What have you all got from the heat with your eyes?
  • Ramzaj99
    Ramzaj99 26 September 2015 09: 44 New
    +13
    Quote: atalef
    Syria) which 1. I have never been an ally of Russia (I was so a grandmother) and no more

    And here I’m betting)))
    Syria is one of the few allies of Russia that has not changed its views since the collapse of the USSR.
    Constant and successful military cooperation with Syria (trade in equipment, staff training).
    Syria is one of the FEW countries where Russia has preserved military bases (namely bases).
    And finally, do not underestimate its strategic location. Syria borders with Saudi Arabia and Israel, and most importantly with Turkey, Iraq, where Russia has many of its interests.
    And no one is forcing Russia to send troops, this is not at all a question. The help of the military, experts and, what is important, political is quite enough.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 10: 05 New
      -9
      Quote: Ramzaj99
      Syria is one of the few allies of Russia that has not changed its views since the collapse of the USSR.

      As for the views - that's for sure.
      As it was - BUTTERFLY give and fight for us and it remains.
      And as for the ally - bring an example, what did Syria really do the same for Russia (and the USSR)?
      Yes . before the mess in Syria, no one remembered her. in Russia even more so
      Quote: Ramzaj99
      Constant and successful military cooperation with Syria (trade in equipment, staff training).

      Well, if you give - it is called successful, then - yes
      Quote: Ramzaj99
      Syria is one of the FEW countries where Russia has preserved military bases (namely bases).

      Which ones? laughing
      Quote: Ramzaj99
      And finally, do not underestimate its strategic location. Syria borders with Saudi Arabia and Israel, and most importantly with Turkey, Iraq, where Russia has many of its interests.

      In a parallel universe, it borders on Saudi Arabia.
      And everything else laughing
      Quote: Ramzaj99
      And no one forces Russia to send troops. Assistance to the military, experts and, what is important, political is quite enough

      Well, yes, for 4 years now and enough. Just one victory after another.
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 26 September 2015 10: 43 New
        +12
        Quote: atalef
        Well, if you give - it is called successful, then - yes

        Confused with the Saudis ... my cant)))
        And since when did the Israelites begin to worry where Russia spends money ????
        What do you care ???
        You need to pray to Assad now! Assad will collapse, how long will Israel, beloved by all Islamists, hold out ???
        When they have one enemy left in the region, I won’t bet even the torn dollar that Israel will survive.
      2. R-140
        R-140 26 September 2015 11: 32 New
        +1
        It’s immediately visible from Israel. It’s looking for all the benefits. We just help from the heart. Although how do you know what the soul is.
      3. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 26 September 2015 12: 59 New
        +3
        Syria was one of 11 countries. who supported Russia in the Crimea at the General Assembly, and then it was worth a lot.
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2015 13: 19 New
          -1
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Syria was one of 11 countries. who supported Russia in the Crimea at the General Assembly, and then it was worth a lot.

          Worth nothing. shopping mall Gen. Assembly does not solve anything
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 26 September 2015 13: 27 New
            +8
            Worth nothing.

            and let Israel oppose the United States and we will find out how much it will cost (I’ll say right away that Iran doesn’t count as much as it concerns Israel’s ass).
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 26 September 2015 14: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: lopvlad
              let Israel oppose the USA

              Have we supported the sanctions against you?
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad 26 September 2015 14: 55 New
                +6
                But they didn’t even oppose it. And they did not support the sanctions just because they would not get counter-sanctions from Russia.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 26 September 2015 15: 22 New
                  -8
                  Quote: lopvlad
                  But they didn’t even oppose it. And the sanctions were not supported only because counter-sanctions from Russia would not be received

                  Or maybe just because it does not concern us?
                2. Kaiten
                  Kaiten 26 September 2015 15: 37 New
                  -4
                  Quote: lopvlad

                  But they did not oppose it either.

                  Are you obligated? We are not allies to you, but partners. Your ally is Iran. By the way, why did Iran refuse to buy your Sukhoi civilian aircraft? He promised to buy up to 100 pieces, and when you helped him remove the sanctions, he immediately ran to Airbas.

                  Quote: lopvlad

                  And the sanctions were not supported only because counter-sanctions from Russia could not be obtained.

                  If it were necessary, they would support without fear of counter-sanctions. Until 1989, we had almost no commercial relations and nothing, Israel developed well without you.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 15: 45 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Kaiten
                    Your ally is Iran.

                    Yes you che-fuck belay
                    Quote: Kaiten
                    By the way, why did Iran refuse to buy your Sukhoi civilian aircraft? DP lifting sanctions promised up to 100 pieces to buy,

                    Iran wanted to buy 100 planes from us?
                    Quote: Kaiten
                    Israel developed well without you.

                    Well, this is understandable ..... listen to the old man, but did you just watch our news?
                  2. Kaiten
                    Kaiten 26 September 2015 16: 15 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yes you che-fuck

                    And what not? Why are you supporting him at the sanctions talks then?

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Iran wanted to buy 100 planes from us?

                    Iran refuses to purchase Russian Sukhoi Superjet-100 aircraft

                    http://mirror565.graniru.info/Economy/d.244521.html

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Well, this is understandable ..... listen to the old man, but did you just watch our news?

                    And what, you want to say that between 1967-1989 our countries had trade relations? Yes, even a dip. There was no relationship.
                  3. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 16: 24 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Kaiten

                    And what not? Why are you supporting him at the sanctions talks then?

                    Did we support Iran?
                    Quote: Kaiten
                    And what, you want to say that between 1967-1989 our countries had trade relations? Yes, even a dip. There was no relationship.

                    So you watched Brezhnev news in Israel? AU and in Russia itself was the last time a long time ago?
                    Quote: Kaiten
                    http://mirror565.graniru.info/Economy/d.244521.html

                    And what a little catch you sent me to. Not a single serious resource wrote anything like this, only saits like your Debki
                  4. Kaiten
                    Kaiten 26 September 2015 16: 37 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And what a little catch you sent me to. Not a single serious resource wrote anything like this, only saits like your Debki

                    And you have censorship in action. Here's a snapshot of the article:


                    In general, the entire Internet is filled with this news, bring it to Google yourself:
                  5. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 16: 56 New
                    0
                    Quote: Kaiten
                    In general, the entire Internet is filled with this news, bring it to Google yourself:

                    There were negotiations, but I don’t remember something, that Iran would have promised something.
                  6. atalef
                    atalef 26 September 2015 17: 31 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    There were negotiations, but I don’t remember something, that Iran would have promised something.

                    it certainly promised - not yet married.
              2. Kaiten
                Kaiten 26 September 2015 16: 43 New
                -6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Did we support Iran?

                Take an interest.

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                So you watched Brezhnev news in Israel? AU and in Russia itself was the last time a long time ago?

                You mixed two topics. Trade relations with Israel and Russian TV news. It turned out garbage.
              3. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 16: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: Kaiten
                Take an interest.

                I don't give a damn about Iran. I still don’t understand how you wrote him to our allies. Well, okay.
                Quote: Kaiten
                It turned out garbage.

                I think you need to see Kiselev tomorrow.
              4. Dart2027
                Dart2027 27 September 2015 09: 18 New
                0
                Quote: Kaiten
                Iran refuses to purchase Russian Sukhoi Superjet-100 aircraft

                Yes, no, does not refuse.
                http://lenta.ru/news/2015/09/26/iran/
            2. BlackDragon
              BlackDragon 27 September 2015 00: 57 New
              0
              the easiest way to not run into censorship is to put the Opera browser on and turn on opera Turbo o /
      4. vorobey
        vorobey 26 September 2015 15: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Kaiten
        By the way, why did Iran refuse to buy your Sukhoi civilian aircraft?


        We are still sticking his C300 ... laughing
  • vorobey
    vorobey 26 September 2015 15: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Kaiten
    Quote: lopvlad
    let Israel oppose the USA

    Have we supported the sanctions against you?


    Are you Europe too? And also Nato?

    Why didn’t they support it? clarify the position ...
    1. Kaiten
      Kaiten 26 September 2015 16: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: vorobey
      Are you Europe too? And also Nato?

      Why didn’t they support it? clarify the position ...


      Because Israel considers the conflict between Russia and Ukraine to be an internal Slavic conflict in which we do not make sense to participate. In addition, Israel does not really want to follow the lead of an anti-Israel-minded Europe.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 26 September 2015 18: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: Kaiten
        Quote: vorobey
        Are you Europe too? And also Nato?

        Why didn’t they support it? clarify the position ...


        Because Israel considers the conflict between Russia and Ukraine to be an internal Slavic conflict in which we do not make sense to participate. In addition, Israel does not really want to follow the lead of an anti-Israel-minded Europe.


        here’s your grandmother and St. George’s day ... chatterbox ...

        According to statistics, more than 14000 women defend Ukraine (Note.– Redress Ukraine from Russian people). So far, they are fighting in masculine form - special women's uniforms are not provided for in the charter. The provision of Ukrainian army men even with a male uniform in the country has not yet been established: equipment supplies from state warehouses are intermittently, and there are not enough government uniforms. What can we say about the female.

        DSR Tactical military equipment consultant, IDF active soldier Alex Taktikal, explains: “We created a specialized line of female military uniforms based on international military standards for equipment and features of the Ukrainian battlefield” .http: //jewishnews.com.ua/ru/ publication / u_voyni_ne_zhenskoe_obmundirovanie

        Israel may start supplying weapons to the Ukrainian army, said Amir Rappoport, an Israeli military observer for the NRG website, referring to his sources in the country's defense departments. Today, such a step has not been officially discussed anywhere, it is only an opportunity expressed, Rappoport explains.

        Similar reports appeared after the official Kremlin said it was unfreezing an agreement on the supply of the S-300 missile system to Iran. Tel Aviv sees danger from this country and is categorically against the armament of Iran.

        tell me something else about morality ... and spirituality ...
      2. Kaiten
        Kaiten 26 September 2015 18: 21 New
        -3
        Quote: vorobey
        chatterbox ..

        You are here tossing the bags. Do not you know how our form looks? I found two women here. One in the form of NATO, the second in some cross-linked burlap.
      3. atalef
        atalef 26 September 2015 18: 31 New
        -5
        Quote: vorobey
        DSR Tactical military equipment consultant, IDF active soldier Alex Tactical

        Active Serviceman - Alex Tactical from DSR Tactical laughing
        Quote: vorobey
        Israel may start supplying weapons to the Ukrainian army, said Amir Rappoport, an Israeli military observer for the NRG website, referring to his sources in the country's defense departments. Today, such a step has not been officially discussed anywhere, it is only an opportunity expressed, Rappoport explains.

        Well, like, I know everything. although the source is reliable laughing
        Sanya, well, you give a pancake, filter what you read
        Quote: vorobey
        tell me something else about morality ... and spirituality ...

        And what kind of women?
      4. vorobey
        vorobey 26 September 2015 19: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        The current soldier is Alex Tactical of DSR Tactica

        Well, do not misinterpret like a crest. (sorry did not mean to offend laughing ) there it is clearly written ...

        Quote: Kaiten
        Do not you know how our form looks?


        and where it says that the Israeli form ...

        well you give brothers ..



        Quote: atalef
        And what kind of women?


        Volunteer Natalia Gubareva (left) and Irina Rubinstein, head of the board of the All-Ukrainian Association of Manufacturers of Military Products

        Irochka is nothing ... such ...
      5. atalef
        atalef 26 September 2015 19: 07 New
        -7
        Quote: vorobey
        Volunteer Natalia Gubareva (left) and Irina Rubinstein, head of the board of the All-Ukrainian Association of Manufacturers of Military Products

        Irochka is nothing ... such ...

        But who knows where and what they sell or what they believe in.
        What does this have to do with Israel and the government?
        Well, someone produces military uniforms, underpants and footcloths, and so what?
        It's not spikes or javelins of any kind.
      6. Kaiten
        Kaiten 26 September 2015 19: 15 New
        -4
        Quote: vorobey
        Irina Rubinstein


        And here you are. Then the answer is in the same vein: Fradkov Moshe ben Efraim - director of the Russian foreign intelligence service:
      7. vorobey
        vorobey 26 September 2015 21: 54 New
        +9
        Quote: Kaiten
        And here you are. Then the answer is in the same vein: Fradkov Moshe ben Efraim - director of the Russian foreign intelligence service:


        And Lavrov’s father is Armenian, but he’s more Russian than, for example, Maria Gaidar or the same Anatoly Vaserman is Jewish, but he’s more Russian than Mikhail Prokhorov ..

        that’s why there is a Russian Jew, but there is no Jewish Russian ... laughing
      8. Kaiten
        Kaiten 26 September 2015 22: 20 New
        0
        Quote: vorobey
        that’s why there is a Russian Jew, but there is no Jewish Russian ...


        There is. Saturdays are called. Our general Raful is one of them.
      9. vorobey
        vorobey 26 September 2015 22: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Kaiten
        Quote: vorobey
        that’s why there is a Russian Jew, but there is no Jewish Russian ...


        There is. Saturdays are called. Our general Raful is one of them.


        well, more in detail .. I'm serious without a banter .. it's like ..
      10. Kaiten
        Kaiten 26 September 2015 22: 55 New
        0
        Quote: vorobey
        well, more in detail .. I'm serious without a banter .. it's like ..

        Absolutely seriously. In Russia, there were several villages whose inhabitants, Russians, observed Judaism, and not Orthodoxy. Many of them moved to Israel and occupied high posts in the Israeli elite. Yes, you read on the Internet, full of information.
      11. vorobey
        vorobey 26 September 2015 23: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Kaiten
        Quote: vorobey
        well, more in detail .. I'm serious without a banter .. it's like ..

        Absolutely seriously. In Russia, there were several villages whose inhabitants, Russians, observed Judaism, and not Orthodoxy. Many of them moved to Israel and occupied high posts in the Israeli elite. Yes, you read on the Internet, full of information.


        no, I seriously read thanks .. it turns out that you have no less sects .. Subbotniks, Karaites, Hasidim ..
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 26 September 2015 14: 14 New
    +6
    As it was - BUTTERFLY give and fight for us and it remains.

    and that Israel is not so? What the USSR stood behind Syria, what the USA stood behind Israel.

    If the USA had not stood behind Israel, Israel would have been torn to hell in the region for a long time.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 14: 21 New
      -5
      Quote: lopvlad
      If the USA had not stood behind Israel, Israel would have been torn to hell in the region for a long time.

      And from what year the USA supports Israel - this is the first question.
      And the second one, even considering. that US support ensured Israel's victory. then explain to me why the support of the USSR (despite the superiority at times in all components of weapons and manpower) did not provide it to the Arabs?
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 26 September 2015 14: 43 New
        +2
        And from what year the USA supports Israel - this is the first question

        officially since 1958 The Dwight Eisenhower administration makes a strategic decision to revise relations with Israel, relying on the Jewish state as the main US partner in the Middle East. This is expressed in strengthening military and political cooperation between countries.

        then explain to me why the support of the USSR (despite the superiority at times in all components of weapons and manpower) did not provide it to the Arabs?

        there was no superiority in all components of the armament. American drones delivered to Israel then helped to destroy the Arab air defense (establish the exact coordinates of the launchers for striking). And then Israel bombed the Arabs with impunity. That's all miracles.

        If Syria now had a layered air defense system, then not a single Israeli plane could appear with impunity in the sky of Syria.
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2015 14: 57 New
          -4
          Quote: lopvlad
          officially since 1958, the administration of D

          But actually since 1973.
          Prior to this, American weapons were miserable in Israel.
          And now, from what year did the USSR support Arabs?


          Quote: lopvlad
          there was no superiority in all components of weapons

          It was ,
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D1%83%D0%B4%
          D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8F#.D0.A1.D0.BE.D0.BE.D1.82.D0.BD.D0.BE.
          D1.88.D0.B5.D0.BD.D0.B8.D0.B5_.D1.81.D0.B8.D0.BB_.D0.B8_.D1.81.D1.80.D0.B5.D0.B4
          .D1.81.D1.82.D0.B2
          you can check on the rest of the wars

          Quote: lopvlad
          American drones then delivered to Israel helped destroy Arab air defense

          Soviet air defense (in the sense of the Soviet air defense system)
          Israel is the first. who used drones, and their own, American generally did not exist then

          Quote: lopvlad
          And then Israel already bombed the Arabs with impunity. Here and all the miracles.

          All the miracles that the Arabs attacked in numerical superiority each time received in the face.
          Quote: lopvlad
          had Syria now deployed an air defense system, not a single Israeli plane could have appeared with impunity in the sky of Syria.

          Read the Syrian air defense power before the civil war, then specify the time when Israel bombed the Syrian nuclear reactor - correlate the dates and understand all the nonsense you wrote.
          Syria attacked Israel 5 times - one result laughing
          1. dali
            dali 26 September 2015 15: 12 New
            +5
            Quote: atalef
            Syria attacked Israel 5 times - one result


            And it is possible by dates, and the reasons, from your point of view, would be nice too ...
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 26 September 2015 15: 44 New
              -2
              Are you banned in google? why do you have to give information on 5-6 sheets at least? Well, a little educated person should have an idea of ​​the Arab-Israeli wars.
            2. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 15: 44 New
              -2
              Quote: Dali
              Quote: atalef
              Syria attacked Israel 5 times - one result


              And it is possible by dates, and the reasons, from your point of view, would be nice too ...

              you will specify the dates. and what reasons play a role?
              The result is important laughing
          2. lopvlad
            lopvlad 26 September 2015 16: 05 New
            +6
            Israel is the first. who used drones, and their own, American generally did not exist then

            I see absolutely not in the material

            Honour
            "Israel UAV - unmanned aerial vehicles manufactured in Israel. Israel is the second, after the United States, manufacturer of drones, and takes first place in the export of UAVs.
            Подробнее: http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%9F%D0%9B%D0%90_%D0%98%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B
            8% D0% BB% D1% 8F "

            or

            "US-made UAVs in the Israel Defense Forces were used in the Doomsday War in 1973.

            After the Doomsday War in Israel, the first drone reconnaissance aircraft with a television camera, Mastiff, was designed and built in 1974.

            Подробнее: http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%9F%D0%9B%D0%90_%D0%98%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B
            8% D0% BB% D1% 8F "

            I'll tell you a secret that legs rustyThe iron dome is growing from the United States, as well as the fact that the dome actually lost weight even with massive artillery shelling (missile interception dropped to 60%) during the 2014 conflict.
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 17: 34 New
              -3
              Quote: lopvlad
              I’ll tell you a secret that the legs of a rusty Iron Dome are growing from the United States, as well as the fact that the Dome actually lost weight even after massive shelling by artisanal rockets (missile interception dropped to 60%) during the 2014 conflict.

              I repeat to you with the same picture
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad 26 September 2015 18: 25 New
                +4
                A horse is apparently the United States and a boy with a bucket of Israel. What can you do to make the USA pleasant.
      2. Hell's Angel
        Hell's Angel 26 September 2015 18: 18 New
        +3
        Because from the Arab soldier as from the city on a bullet. That terrorism is their chip. But your people, too, once went into gas chambers meekly. What is the connection? You then understood that you need to be able to fight in order to live. Such is life! And I must admit, you learned this well and most importantly surprisingly very quickly. Now the Syrians also understood this (I hope). And there will be no longer such that, as a prayer, getting to my knees and do not care, war is not war. Only the "true Syrians" will remain, or else they will die either in the EU (which we observe).
        And traitors among Arabs are more than among Ukrainians. I can exaggerate, but according to the recollections of our advisers it was almost so.
      3. kot stepan
        kot stepan 26 September 2015 22: 25 New
        0
        Motivation and, as a result, the best preparation. Although there were rather sharp moments when the victory of Israel was not at all obvious, but, even the opposite ...
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  • APASUS
    APASUS 26 September 2015 10: 13 New
    +8
    Quote: atalef
    1. I have never been an ally of Russia (I was so a grandmother) and no more, which has no influence in world politics

    Let's look at modern realities in Europe for the same reason. Who is ready to die for an American project in Ukraine? Estonians, Poles or Germans, who do not receive money from the United States and do not bark from behind the Americans. The Germans have political weight in the world, but by crushing old Merkel under themselves, the Americans leveled all its strength to the level of Poland.
    Quote: atalef
    2. The country is de facto without any weight in the BV.

    The weight of the country also depends on many factors. For example, Turkey, in the case of laying pipelines from Qatar and Arabia, will get such a weight that it will dictate its terms to the EU. And Syria has its own weight and had to be reckoned with, since we could not agree to lay the pipe and got the coup financing from the neighbors. So everything’s alright with the weight.
    Quote: atalef
    Drive bandyuk through the fields? So there bandyukov 70% of the population (Sunnis).

    And this is already inciting ethnic hatred, you are our dear provocateur
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 10: 35 New
      -8
      Quote: APASUS
      Let's look at modern realities in Europe for the same reason. Who is ready to die for an American project in Ukraine?

      Nobody, therefore, for all the appearances of Babai, Motorola, Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky - they did not represent a single military personnel of other countries
      Quote: APASUS
      The Germans have political weight in the world, but, having crushed old Merkel under themselves, the Americans leveled all its strength to the level of Poland.

      In general, some kind of strange answer to my comment (1) - belay or maybe I misunderstood what? hi
      Quote: APASUS
      The weight of the country also depends on many factors. For example, Turkey in the case of laying pipelines from Qatar and Arabia will receive such a weight that will dictate the EU its conditions

      Why? Does it not seem to you that if Turkey begins to dictate terms to the Qatar and Saudi gas pipelines in Europe - Saudi Arabia and Qatar will suffer the same way and they will find a council along with Europe on Turkey.
      Quote: APASUS
      And Syria also has its own weight and had to be reckoned with, since we could not agree on laying a pipe

      You are strange , tell me why did Syria refuse to lay a pipe to Europe through its territory?
      She would get
      1.Investment
      2. Cheap gas
      3. Transit fee.
  • 34 region
    34 region 26 September 2015 11: 47 New
    +15
    It’s strange. Syria has never had weight in BV. Well, why did USA go back then? Would be left alone. And Israel could accept refugees. Do you live poorly? Take a couple of million Syrians. But ISIS does not bother Israel at all? Right here you have Olympic calmness in this regard. Or ISIS is your project? Where is your concern about bandits? I don’t know what was discussed in Moscow, but the Israeli prime minister, in my opinion, was very scared and worried. Maybe the presence of Russian troops scared?
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 12: 06 New
      -5
      Quote: 34 region
      transno. Syria has never had weight in BV. Well, why did USA go back then?

      France first trampled and Turkey
      Quote: 34 region
      And Israel could accept refugees

      Thank you, you are better - Assad is your ally, not ours
      Quote: 34 region
      Do you live poorly?

      We are good, and you?

      Quote: 34 region
      But ISIS does not bother Israel at all?

      In general, at the moment, no more than Russia
      Quote: 34 region
      Take a couple of millions of Syrians.

      with what fright?
      Quote: 34 region
      Right here you have Olympic calmness in this regard. Or ISIS is your project?

      Switzerland is not straining even more, maybe them?
      Quote: 34 region
      Where is your concern about bandiuk

      Armor is strong and our tanks are fast
      Quote: 34 region
      I don’t know what was discussed in Moscow, but the Israeli prime minister, in my opinion, was very scared and preoccupied

      Scared What, concerned - probably yes. This is the question. as if not to miss and instead of Hezbollah Russians not to bomb

      Quote: 34 region
      Maybe the presence of Russian troops scared?

      How can it scare us? Or did you decide to conquer Israel after Syria?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 12: 20 New
        +12
        Quote: atalef
        Or did you decide to conquer Israel after Syria?

        A good idea. Tel Aviv Autonomous Okrug of the Russian Federation. And Iran will never again say that Israel must be destroyed. Shut up Hamas and Hesbul. Sanya is one plus, so don’t use garbage and hold a referendum faster lol
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 26 September 2015 12: 37 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          A good idea. Tel Aviv Autonomous Okrug of the Russian Federation


          Birobidzhan ... to the border with China all .. laughing
        2. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2015 12: 44 New
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          A good idea. Tel Aviv Autonomous Okrug of the Russian Federation

          laughing
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And Iran will never again say that Israel must be destroyed

          very high price (for us). for what Iran would not say
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          . Sanya one pluses

          Pros - when are the minuses multiplied? wink
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          therefore do not make garbage and hold a referendum faster

          soldier
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 14: 42 New
            +5
            Quote: atalef
            very high price (for us).

            Sanya, just imagine, you live in a small family, where the kitchen is larger than the room in which you sleep. And then you drop a ball to register in a huge mansion.
            (I clarify about the size of Russia and Israel.)
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 15: 01 New
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Sanya, just imagine, you live in a small family, where the kitchen is larger than the room in which you sleep. And then you drop a ball to register in a huge mansion.

              Sanya, in cramped conditions - but no offense.
              Then, you know, I'm thrifty.
              I have citizenship - on 1/3 of the globe (in area) - there is where to roam. laughing
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 15: 28 New
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                I have citizenship - on 1/3 of the globe (in area)

                Do they have Siberia? And Kolyma? What about Birobidzhan?
                1. atalef
                  atalef 26 September 2015 15: 46 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Do they have Siberia? And Kolyma? What about Birobidzhan?

                  Sanya, have you already scattered this in different countries?
                  Anyway, what a normal Jew will live in Birobidzhan laughing
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 15: 48 New
                    +5
                    Quote: atalef
                    Sanya, have you already scattered this in different countries?

                    No, I'm telling you about the sights of the mansion.
                    Quote: atalef
                    what normal Jew will live in Birobidzhan

                    Life will press and will explode in Chukotka laughing
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 26 September 2015 15: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    No, I'm telling you about the sights of the mansion.

                    Sanya, in order to explore the sights of the mansion, citizenship is not necessary.
                    It’s enough to have 2 things
                    Golden Visa and Golden Mastercard.
                    Why 2nd? Accept Visa everywhere, Mastercard everywhere
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Life will press and will explode in Chukotka

                    Somehow Montreal will be closer in this case hi
          2. Kaiten
            Kaiten 26 September 2015 15: 29 New
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And then you drop the ball to register in a huge mansion.
            (I clarify about the size of Russia and Israel.)


            Do not register, but take off. We are a non-indigenous nation for Russia.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 15: 49 New
              +5
              Quote: Kaiten
              Do not register, but take it off.

              But there’s no old man, about filming this to Europe, but we must hurry, almost all places are booked by Arabs.
              1. Kaiten
                Kaiten 26 September 2015 18: 36 New
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                But there’s no old man, about filming this to Europe, but we must hurry, almost all places are booked by Arabs.

                In figs, in figs, in figs. We have a standard of living not lower than in Italy. But the Arabs are not arrogant.
        3. lopvlad
          lopvlad 26 September 2015 16: 17 New
          +3
          Pros - when are the minuses multiplied?

          plus this is when it is unnecessary for the Americans to constantly lick and throw their armed forces into battle for their interests.
          Do you think the "messenger of peace" flew to Moscow of his own free will and not by order US blessing?
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 September 2015 17: 36 New
            -1
            Quote: lopvlad
            plus this is when it is unnecessary for the Americans to constantly lick and throw their armed forces into battle for their interests

            Did Israel fight for America? Where?
            Quote: lopvlad
            Do you think the “messenger of peace” flew to Moscow of his own free will and not by order of the blessing of the USA
            1. lopvlad
              lopvlad 26 September 2015 18: 38 New
              +4
              Did Israel fight for America? Where?

              still tell me that the territory of lawlessness and ISIS near its borders in the interests of Israel?

              No, not in the interest?

              Then why the hell do you treat the militants fighting against Assad on your territory and bomb the objects of the Syrian army?

              Have learned from the Americans and are thinking with the help of chaos to deal with your opponents with the wrong hands?
              You didn’t learn the lesson well. No matter how arrogant and powerful they were, they would never have arranged and will not arrange a mess at their borders. They perfectly understand that it is much easier to break up.
              1. atalef
                atalef 26 September 2015 18: 55 New
                0
                Quote: lopvlad

                still tell me that the territory of lawlessness and ISIS near its borders in the interests of Israel?

                Not in the best interest. But this is not our war. Assad is the same as that of no interest. And ISIS - rock the boat - roll into the asphalt.
                But why do it ahead of time, until they rock us
                Quote: lopvlad
                Then why the hell do you treat the militants fighting against Assad on your territory and bomb the objects of the Syrian army?

                We treat everyone. whom we bring to the field hospital on the border, as well as children and women, we also treated the wounded Hezbollons - this is the mentality from here.
                We bomb weapons intended for Hezbollah in warehouses or convoys.
                Understand with your own head, it would be necessary to roll out the Syrian army or Assad - the IDF does not make this work in 4-5 days. Or less
                Quote: lopvlad
                Have learned from the Americans and are thinking with the help of chaos to deal with your opponents with the wrong hands?

                Alien - whose is it?
                Quote: lopvlad
                You have not learned the lesson well. The Americans, no matter how arrogant and powerful they are, have never arranged and will not arrange a mess at their borders.

                Well, we'll be smarter somehow. therefore, probably already 70 years here (I mean modern Israel) and nothing, we live and somehow it’s not even bad.
                Quote: lopvlad
                They perfectly understand that it’s easier to break apart.

                So what ?
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 26 September 2015 13: 25 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Tel Aviv Autonomous Region of the Russian Federation.

        Yes, we don’t need him now. They left so immediately in Russia everything began to improve after different Gaidars plundered our country in the 90s.
        Let them stay better smile
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 14: 44 New
          0
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Let them stay better

          And Vatnichek, hello dear. I heard that your ancestors are Jews wassat You were about to leave Sait.
          Well, okay, why don’t you run into your own people. Maybe the Jews threw you laughing
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 26 September 2015 15: 30 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And Vatnichek, hello dear

            What are you already getting used to the manner of speaking of the Jews that they offered you a place of residence in Israel? lol
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I heard that your ancestors weresat Jews. You were about to leave Sait.

            It’s interesting that you pecked at that fake, maybe you also participated in its production laughing
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, okay, why don’t you run into your own people. Maybe the Jews threw you

            They are more likely yours and certainly not mine.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 15: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: quilted jacket

              What are you already getting used to the manner of speaking of the Jews that they offered you a place of residence in Israel?

              Oh yeah you envy the chosen one wassat
              Quote: quilted jacket

              It’s interesting that you pecked at that fake

              Well, of course, it’s already a fake. He told me about himself drunk a little more than necessary, and sobered up sober himself. That’s how Stirlitz slept laughing
              Quote: quilted jacket
              They are more likely yours and certainly not mine.

              Renouncing your kinship son of Abraham and Sarah am
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 26 September 2015 15: 54 New
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Oh yeah you envy the chosen one

                I envy belay Yes, I’ll only once, the more you leave here, the sooner our country will recover after it was plundered in the 90s.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Well, of course, it’s already a fake. He told me about himself drunk a little more than necessary, and sobered up sober himself. That’s how Stirlitz slept

                But tell me and show where I told you, you are a moderator, and you should know for now these are your next fantasies lol
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Renouncing your kinship son of Abraham and Sarah

                What knowledge do you have with such a “baggage of knowledge” exactly the place in Israel next to atalef will be “composed” together laughing
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 16: 00 New
                  +1
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  What knowledge do you have with such a “goddess of knowledge” exactly the place in Israel next to atalef will be “composed” together
                  And I understand, you see in Israel nakosyachil and pulled from there, until they put yes lol
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  But tell me and show where I told you, you are a moderator, and you should know for now these are your next fantasies

                  Photo fact wassat Shalom son of Abraham and Sarah hi
                2. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 26 September 2015 16: 07 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  And I understand, you see in Israel nakosyachil and pulled from there, until they put yes

                  I wasn’t there, but you’re obviously from there, but it’s been clear for a long time smile
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Photo fact wassat Shalom son of Abraham and Sarah

                  It is very interesting to see it again. Well, if this is not a fake, show in what topic it was?
                  I would very much like to see the original and not the fabricated, possibly with your participation, "work"
                3. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 16: 18 New
                  0
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  I was not there

                  Do not move out the son of Abraham and Sarah.
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  It is very interesting to see it again. Well, if this is not a fake, show in what topic it was?

                  The topic was deleted along with all the comments and yours and Mikhan, and you know this, use it. But the people managed to make a screen lol
                  Listen to Vatnik, and you ......... well, that wink did you cut it?
                  .
                4. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 26 September 2015 16: 40 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Do not move out the son of Abraham and Sarah.

                  Very interesting, then, are you transferring your inferiority complexes to me? lol
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  The topic was deleted along with all the comments and yours and Mikhan, and you know this, use it. But the people managed to make a screen

                  That is, you are "lying"? However, this is not your first case.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Listen to Vatnik, and you ......... well, did you cut that wink?

                  That is, you want me to become like you this ... under the root of the chick-tweet lol
                  Not when this has never happened, but here you are "well done" smile in advance before traveling to Israel for permanent residence took care of this laughing
                5. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 17: 01 New
                  0
                  Quote: quilted jacket

                  That is, you are "lying"? However, this is not your first case.

                  Son of Abraham and Sarah, why are you embarrassed by your parents?
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  That is, you want me to become like you this

                  Not a professor is right about you laughing
                6. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 26 September 2015 17: 21 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Son of Abraham and Sarah, why are you embarrassed by your parents?

                  There is no Abraham and Sarah, so leave this clearly your circle lol
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Not a professor is right about you

                  Once again, he says that the professor and his "company" are clearly for you, relatives are clearly laughing

                  By the way, let's show where I wrote the message screen that you brought here, otherwise you expose yourself to put it mildly - an inventor smile
            2. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 17: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Do not move out the son of Abraham and Sarah.

              Is this the case when Abraham did circumcision with a stone, accidentally missed and hit his son’s head?
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Lushai Vatnik, and you ......... well did that cutting?
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 17: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              accidentally missed and hit the son’s head?

              And so, three times in a row laughing
            4. vorobey
              vorobey 26 September 2015 18: 13 New
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov

              Quote: atalef
              atalef


              Listen to Sashka ... let's all go for ... let's go booze ..

              Sanya just don’t take this Hertz with him, or he’ll surely try to find a cerebellum from my rifle, and I’ll redraw him with a shovel .. he’s evil ... you’re used to it and he may not be able to sleep ... So, we’ve brought srach .. went to plump. .
            5. Kaiten
              Kaiten 26 September 2015 18: 26 New
              0
              Quote: vorobey
              Sanya just don’t take this Hertz with you, otherwise he’ll try to find my brain from a rifle


              Do not be afraid, a soldier will not offend a child.
            6. vorobey
              vorobey 26 September 2015 19: 11 New
              +3
              Quote: Kaiten
              Do not be afraid, a soldier will not offend a child.


              so ... and a soldier of a soldier? but I forgot yours and ours agreed
            7. Kaiten
              Kaiten 26 September 2015 19: 18 New
              +3
              Quote: vorobey
              so ... and a soldier of a soldier? but I forgot yours and ours agreed

              Well, shalom to you, Slavs
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 26 September 2015 14: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    A good idea. Tel Aviv Autonomous Okrug of the Russian Federation

    Well, where does this eternal desire to “make happy” other nations come from?
    1. dali
      dali 26 September 2015 15: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Kaiten
      Well, where does this eternal desire to “make happy” other nations come from?


      You are confusing something ... this is a mattress desire, although of course with its own specifics ... laughing
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 26 September 2015 15: 38 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        I have citizenship - on 1/3 of the globe (in area) - there is where to roam.
        Yes you, my friend, cosmopolitan)))!
      2. Kaiten
        Kaiten 26 September 2015 15: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Dali
        You are confusing something ... this is a mattress desire, although of course with its own specifics ...


        But has Russia never had a desire to become the 3rd Rome? Conquer Constantinople? And we are often offered here to join you.
        Why do you need this, why do you fight for a larger number of territories, but do not fight for a high standard of living in these territories?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 26 September 2015 23: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Kaiten
          But has Russia never had a desire to become the 3rd Rome?


          A wish? yes, here they will involuntarily do it yourself ... you see, and you know about the third Rome ..

          Quote: Kaiten
          And we are often offered here to join you.


          who offers .. Romanov? you can understand it .. to thump in Israel you need a visa and in Russia movement is free ... I am also for it. laughing Yes, and your girls are still lighters .. I remember two .. one in Jerusalem now and the second went to ..

          Quote: Kaiten
          Why do you need this, why do you fight for a larger number of territories, but do not fight for a high standard of living in these territories?

          Abram, but you are not fighting for the Territory?
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 15: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Kaiten
      Well, where does this eternal desire to “make happy” other nations come from?

      Well, we'll send you to Birobidzhan right away.
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 September 2015 15: 47 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Kaiten
        Well, where does this eternal desire to “make happy” other nations come from?

        Well, we'll send you to Birobidzhan.

        And you are a sadist. Alexander
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 15: 54 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          And you are a sadist. Alexander

          Why is he a sadist right away in Birobidzhan, while I’ll guard in his hut in Israel. laughing
          1. Kaiten
            Kaiten 26 September 2015 18: 31 New
            -2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Why is he a sadist right away in Birobidzhan, while I’ll guard in his hut in Israel.


            If you know how to build and decorate houses, then you can come without Byrobydzhan. And you will rest and earn.
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 18: 41 New
              -2
              Quote: Kaiten
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Why is he a sadist right away in Birobidzhan, while I’ll guard in his hut in Israel.


              If you know how to build and decorate houses, then you can come without Byrobydzhan. And you will rest and earn.

              And what, option, from the Far East, one eye, after the operation, narrow, will pass for his
              The Government of Israel approved the entry permit of 20 thousand workers, construction professions, from China

              wink
            2. Kaiten
              Kaiten 26 September 2015 18: 47 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              The Government of Israel approved the entry permit of 20 thousand workers, construction professions, from China

              The Chinese drivers are still those. They like me for three hours 5 square meters. They put a meter of Jerusalem stone, I was freaking out at this speed, but it turned out that the thickness of the solution was with a mosquito trunk. I prefer our Russians, albeit with an overpayment, but they work qualitatively.
            3. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 19: 01 New
              -1
              Quote: Kaiten
              The Chinese drivers are still those. They like me for three hours 5 square meters. They put a meter of Jerusalem stone, I was freaking out at this speed, but it turned out that the thickness of the solution was with a mosquito trunk. I prefer our Russians, albeit with an overpayment, but they work qualitatively.

              Yes, the Chinese cannot be left alone.
              4 blabs in the corners of the tile and everything seems to be beautiful, but a month later it fell apart.
              But when you control, everything is OK.
              Here such a gentleman's agreement is cheap. but with the likelihood of cheating, they caught - well, oops, it did not pass. redo. laughing
            4. Kaiten
              Kaiten 26 September 2015 19: 17 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Here such a gentleman's agreement is cheap. but with the likelihood of cheating, they caught - well, oops, it did not pass. redo.

              Right a thousand times.
          2. vorobey
            vorobey 26 September 2015 19: 16 New
            +4
            Quote: Kaiten
            I prefer our Russians, albeit with an overpayment, but they work qualitatively.


            good

      2. vorobey
        vorobey 26 September 2015 19: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: Kaiten
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Why is he a sadist right away in Birobidzhan, while I’ll guard in his hut in Israel.


        If you know how to build and decorate houses, then you can come without Byrobydzhan. And you will rest and earn.


        I, I can do it at home ... laughing
      3. atalef
        atalef 26 September 2015 19: 18 New
        -2
        Quote: vorobey
        Quote: Kaiten
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Why is he a sadist right away in Birobidzhan, while I’ll guard in his hut in Israel.


        If you know how to build and decorate houses, then you can come without Byrobydzhan. And you will rest and earn.


        I, I can do it at home ... laughing
      4. Kaiten
        Kaiten 26 September 2015 19: 20 New
        0
        Quote: vorobey
        I, I can do it at home ...

        Well, you'll be in our area, come in if that.
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 26 September 2015 15: 56 New
    -2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Well, we'll send you to Birobidzhan.

    In no case do I doubt the ultimate goal of your desire to “unite” Israel. Begin wrote about this by the time.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 16: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Kaiten
      Begin wrote about this by the time.

      And Begin in general on Magadan will receive a residence permit.
      Quote: Kaiten
      In no case do I doubt the ultimate goal of your desire to “unite” Israel.

      Damn, I wrote only a couple of posts, and the Jews no longer doubt my sincere intentions wassat
      1. Kaiten
        Kaiten 26 September 2015 16: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Damn, I wrote only a couple of posts, and the Jews no longer doubt my sincere intentions

        Cruel people.

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And Begin in general on Magadan will receive a residence permit.

        You would have written more carefully about Kiselyov, otherwise you will soon have more chances to be in Magadan, judging by the censorship that has begun on the Internet.
        But Begin already served his time in you in the 40s. And then he became the Prime Minister of Israel.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 17: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Kaiten
          Cruel people.

          Che?
          Quote: Kaiten
          You would have written more carefully about Kiselyov, otherwise you will soon have more chances to be in Magadan, judging by the censorship that has begun on the Internet.

          It’s mine sites blocking, like your Depots. And on the account of Magadan, I can write Putin a ram or something worse and I won’t be anything for that. Do not confuse Russia with Ukraine
          Quote: Kaiten
          But Begin already served his time in you in the 40s.

          Oh how
          Quote: Kaiten
          And then he became the Prime Minister of Israel.

          Cool, a prisoner in the presidency, in kind by concepts.
        2. Kaiten
          Kaiten 26 September 2015 17: 33 New
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Che?

          Forget it is not your urine.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And on the account of Magadan, I can write Putin a ram or something worse and I won’t be anything for that. Do not confuse Russia with Ukraine


          Respect I hope you won’t get anything for it.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Cool, a prisoner in the presidency, in kind by concepts.

          So Krupskaya’s husband sat under the tsar’s identity, and then he avenged himself as a brother. Put the whole country on Kukan.
        3. vorobey
          vorobey 26 September 2015 18: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Kaiten
          Put the whole country on Kukan.


          also spun on a kukan until he jumped off to Israel? laughing
        4. Kaiten
          Kaiten 26 September 2015 18: 28 New
          0
          Quote: vorobey
          also spun on a kukan until he jumped off to Israel?

          No, he’s settled down in the Mausoleum, he always lives there.
        5. vorobey
          vorobey 26 September 2015 19: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Kaiten
          Quote: vorobey
          also spun on a kukan until he jumped off to Israel?

          No, he’s settled down in the Mausoleum, he always lives there.


          Yes, I'm not talking about him ...
        6. Kaiten
          Kaiten 26 September 2015 19: 52 New
          0
          Quote: vorobey
          Yes, I'm not talking about him ...

          Krupskaya only had one husband, more of her beauty, no one was flattered.
        7. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2015 19: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Kaiten
          Krupskaya only had one husband, more of her beauty, no one was flattered.

          Who doesn’t know old Krupsky wassat
  • atalef
    atalef 26 September 2015 17: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    . And on the account of Magadan, I can write-Putin ram or even pohleschet and I will not be anything

    Goodbye my friend crying You will forever be in our hearts.
    Although in your case, even if they send to Sakhalin (so it’s all the same near the house), and if in Kaliningrad - then this is not a bad option. good
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 17: 47 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    even if they send to Sakhalin

    Sanya is Sakhalin. Let the exile lol
  • atalef
    atalef 26 September 2015 19: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: atalef
    even if they send to Sakhalin

    Sanya is Sakhalin. Let the exile lol

    Hmm, maybe it's better to send you to Pskov?
  • vorobey
    vorobey 26 September 2015 18: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    . And on the account of Magadan, I can write-Putin ram or even pohleschet and I will not be anything

    Goodbye my friend crying You will forever be in our hearts.
    Although in your case, even if they send to Sakhalin (so it’s all the same near the house), and if in Kaliningrad - then this is not a bad option. good


    Sanya ... I alone know where Romanova can and should be sent (to send) laughing
  • atalef
    atalef 26 September 2015 18: 18 New
    -1
    Quote: vorobey
    Sanya ... I alone know where Romanova can and should be sent (to send)

    Will you send his hell wassat
    And what are the options?
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 26 September 2015 19: 00 New
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    And what are the options?

    And where did the Romanovs always send to Russia? Of course, Ipatiev’s house. (this is a joke, if that)
  • atalef
    atalef 26 September 2015 19: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Kaiten
    Quote: atalef
    And what are the options?

    And where did the Romanovs always send to Russia? Of course, Ipatiev’s house. (this is a joke, if that)

    I remember Romanov - the first secretary of the City Committee of the CPSU of Leningrad.
    As we joked, nothing changed in St. Petersburg after the revolution
    Before the revolution - Romanov. after - the same.
    Do you want Romanov in Peter? To the link?
    Ruslan will meet you, you give him a hut away from the road, that would not interfere with Skype to solve global problems drinks
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 26 September 2015 19: 21 New
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    Do you want to be in Peter?

    I would go to Peter, but so far I can’t. Only after retirement, so in 48 years.
  • atalef
    atalef 26 September 2015 19: 44 New
    -2
    Quote: Kaiten
    Quote: atalef
    Do you want to be in Peter?

    I would go to Peter, but so far I can’t. Only after retirement, so in 48 years.

    I understand that my son cannot do the same. Another 5 years (at least). If there is no further left. soldier
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 26 September 2015 20: 19 New
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    I understand that my son cannot do the same. Another 5 years (at least). If there is no further left.


    100%
  • vorobey
    vorobey 26 September 2015 19: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    And what are the options?


    to score ... you know a joke about elusive joe?
  • kotvov
    kotvov 26 September 2015 12: 36 New
    +1
    Or did you decide after Syria to conquer Israel ?,
    You can see Russia with its patron confused. We are defending our interests in Syria.
  • vorobey
    vorobey 26 September 2015 13: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    Than

    Quote: atalef
    . as if not to miss and instead of Hezbollah Russians not to bomb


    red?
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 13: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: vorobey
      red?

      Neither you nor we need this.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 26 September 2015 15: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: vorobey
        red?

        Neither you nor we need this.


        Sanya, well, just say so ... we are afraid of complications, since Russia may get angry in this case and the consequences could be more than serious ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2015 15: 14 New
          0
          Quote: vorobey
          Sanya, well, just say so ... we are afraid of complications, since Russia may get angry in this case and the consequences could be more than serious ...

          Do not experience gigantomania - neither you nor us need these problems.
          And whether Russia is angry or not, you will not return the dead (no need).
          misunderstandings from scratch do not need either you or us.
          You have your own ragas, we have ours. We have little overlap here.
          1. dali
            dali 26 September 2015 15: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            You have your own ragas, we have ours. We have little overlap here.


            Are you implying that the enemy, my enemy, is my friend? belay So then it will be no longer an intersection, but a collision ...
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 15: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: Dali
              Are you implying that the enemy, my enemy, is my friend?

              this one is not always
          2. vorobey
            vorobey 26 September 2015 18: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            You have your own ragas, we have ours. We have little overlap here.


            Sanya did not fall ... IS our common enemy, keep the line ... laughing
  • ver_
    ver_ 26 September 2015 12: 46 New
    0
    .... write down first, then write ...
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 26 September 2015 12: 54 New
    +1
    It will not be the 2nd Afghan - it will be worse and faster .

    First, learn to write in Russian correctly before discussing anything. And secondly, it will be slower, but better, because you don’t have to imagine that there are only fools in the General Staff who have not learned anything, thirdly, we did not lose in Afghanistan, Najibullah did an excellent job with our help. Then he was betrayed by a drunken tyrant, but that's another story altogether.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 September 2015 15: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      It will not be the 2nd Afghan - it will be worse and faster .

      First, learn to write in Russian correctly before discussing anything.

      Why they wrote so tolerantly, it’s better to directly write all non-Russian "tries" from the site. And what to do with those Russians who write with mistakes the same "nah" from the site to learn spelling and literature?
  • Vadimsh
    Vadimsh 26 September 2015 15: 26 New
    0
    Not in GDP analysts are sitting by chance. Rave.
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 27 September 2015 00: 41 New
    +2
    Syria needed by one reason Putin wants to counterbalance the war in Ukraine and bargain.


    Dear, you gave an indirect reason. One of the indirect reasons. And not as a subject of bargaining, but as a tool to weaken American influence. Moreover, mind you, he offers to counter Americans, to strengthen the influence of legitimate states in the region. Neither Syria nor Israel is an exception. Is it tempting? You won’t lose American help, the Jewish lobby is too strong in America, and you can remain the only person in the Middle East who hold the style of talking to the Yankees. wink

    The main reason is to prevent the possibility of not affecting the situation with hydrocarbons in the region. After all, the idea was simple, to destroy Syria with the hands of radicals, then push ISIS to the Iranian border with a coalition, possibly push them back and quickly transfer a pipe to Turkey from Qatar, connecting it to the Middle East pipeline network. Thus, reduce Russia's gas revenues. The idea was simple, but quickly passed away, London let out a stingy tear, the boatman from the Potomac yells, “I don't believe it!” Creaking an oarlock. And the crown princes, wrapped in calico, shout like something in Russian, - "I will kill you, boatman!" There is no sadder story in the world .... But the most important thing in this story is what will Putin offer (suggested) to the lads in arm ruffles from Tel Aviv, the camel kings and dull fez in return? You know? Me not. But really want to know. Presumably, the masters of black magic from London and the child of corn from Washington will not insult themselves with offers of a jack-buckwheat?
  • yehat
    yehat 28 September 2015 16: 45 New
    0
    you are confusing something: Russia, after a series of scammers, no longer wants to bargain, because there is no trust. That's when NATO goes to the borders of '85, it will be possible to bargain about something.
  • War and Peace
    War and Peace 26 September 2015 09: 51 New
    -1
    Quote: Sasha75
    Because there will not be us, there will be chaos that Amers need, and let Ukraine go down into the Stone Age and see.


    and if in Ukraine our base is bogged down, then where will the edges be? still far away

    The population of Ukraine, regrettably, for the most part accepted - either frightened or left aloof - the illegal seizure of power by scumbags both in Kiev and in the localities. Active resistance was provided only by Crimea, Donbass, and a hundred people in Odessa, Zaporozhye and Kharkov.


    in Ukraine, there is the GREATEST TERROR from the Russian population of Russians making Ukrainians of dissent KILL and the worst thing is that Russia helps this regime, gas, coal, spare parts for tanks and cars. It’s our land to fight for Ukraine, it was necessary for Putin to send troops and prevent bloodshed, but for some reason he didn’t do it. For me it’s been clear why Putin got the Crimea and the rest of Ukraine should be the United States, but only Donbas turned out to be against and now Kremlin politicians are by all means trying to disown Donbas, claiming that "this is Ukraine" -aggressive, Bandera, fascist.

    The task remained - to protect Donbass without the direct intervention of the Russian army, which would look like an external intervention and was unacceptable for Russia.

    In Ukraine, no matter how close it was to us, none of this turned out to be. Together we lost this territory ideologically, and therefore (so far) we are not able to wage the battle openly by military means.

    what to call this birov? which justifies the betrayal in Ukraine? -colaborationist, at least, the format will not allow me to tell the truth who it is, “all together” “lost”, not all and not together, but lost Putin, on whom everything depends ...
    Is this why the "not acceptable" dude? UKRAINE - RUSSIAN LAND - OUR LAND, our grandfathers are buried there, our blood is shed there. What a disgusting substitution of concepts - "not permissible" and amer means "permissible" to go into all business? Kremlin policy in Ukraine is CRIMINAL AND CRAWLING is a betrayal of the Russian people.

    A Russian military base has long been located in Syria. There are no obstacles in terms of international norms and laws in assisting Damascus.


    Birov has long been laughing at these "international norms" for a long time, only here you remembered some "norms".
    Well and the most important thing in Syria, Birov, why didn’t you say that? Indeed, a GAS PIPELINE is going to be pulled through Syria from Qatar, naturally, this gas falls out of the sphere of influence of Gazprom and Putin, and this is the main reason for Russia's support of the Assad regime ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 11: 08 New
      -3
      Quote: war and peace
      in Ukraine there is a GREAT TERROR from the Russian population of Russians make Ukrainians dissent KILL and

      Do not tell tales and do not write nonsense
      I have a Russian mother-in-law and for all the time I have been in Ukraine (and I travel at least 2 times a year) no one ever said a word to me and did not look at me crookedly, but I don’t understand Ukrainian at all.
      Quote: war and peace
      For Ukraine you need to fight because this is our land

      With whom to fight and for whom?
      Quote: war and peace
      UKRAINE - RUSSIAN LAND - OUR LAND

      Ukraine - without Ukrainians?
      I watched the news (while in Kiev) - 90% of the warriors in the ATO gave interviews in pure Russian (and asked them in Ukrainian), so do you know why they spoke RUSSIAN? Yes, because they are Russian and practically do not speak Ukrainian - draw a conclusion.

      Quote: war and peace
      Indeed, a GAS PIPELINE is going to be pulled through Syria from Qatar, naturally, this gas falls out of the sphere of influence of Gazprom and Putin, and this is the main reason for Russia's support of the Assad regime ...

      Ie, there is only one conclusion from your words - Assad is fighting in Syria because of the interests of Gazprom belay fool
      1. War and Peace
        War and Peace 26 September 2015 11: 41 New
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        Do not tell tales and do not write nonsense
        I have a Russian mother-in-law and for all the time I have been in Ukraine (and I travel at least 2 times a year) no one ever said a word to me and did not look at me crookedly, but I don’t understand Ukrainian at all.


        not a Jew, you can’t be fooled, what is happening in Ukraine is visible even to those who are not involved in politics, I was in Donbas and talked with people and I know why they are being killed in Donbas and Ukraine ...

        Quote: atalef
        With whom to fight and for whom?


        not Russian Jews can not understand ...


        Quote: atalef
        Krajina - without Ukrainians?
        I watched the news (while in Kiev) - 90% of the warriors in the ATO gave interviews in pure Russian (and asked them in Ukrainian), so do you know why they spoke RUSSIAN? Yes, because they are Russian and practically do not speak Ukrainian - draw a conclusion.


        you’ll lie in your homeland in Israel as much as you want, how you live “peacefully and neighborly” with the Arabs, but there’s nothing to fill here ...


        Quote: atalef
        Ie, there is only one conclusion from your words - Assad is fighting in Syria because of the interests of Gazprom

        Well, your mind is not, so you have to use speculation, did I say that?
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 26 September 2015 13: 32 New
          0
          Quote: war and peace
          what is happening in Ukraine is visible even to those who are not involved in politics,

          Well, after all, it is precisely the Jews in power who are leading the fascists to “destroy” all those who disagree with them. Therefore, he is already conformally among these fascists, because they are one.
      2. 34 region
        34 region 26 September 2015 11: 54 New
        0
        In general, the DNI and LC are like Israel in an Arab environment.
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2015 12: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: 34 region
          In general, the DNI and LC are like Israel in an Arab environment.

          Strange comparison
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 26 September 2015 15: 39 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Strange comparison


            Well, the only difference is that LDNR arose in their own land, and Israel in the Arab
        2. padded jacket
          padded jacket 26 September 2015 13: 39 New
          0
          Quote: 34 region
          In general, the DNI and LC are like Israel in an Arab environment.

          Don’t compare please Donbass where our brothers live who are currently opposing the Nazis and other evil spirits and Israel is the center from which the terrorists and maniacs in the region are sponsored and from which the “river” of xenophobia and inter-religious hatred flows that spreads to BV and throughout the Earth overall this mode.
      3. cdrt
        cdrt 26 September 2015 15: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        I watched the news (while in Kiev) - 90% of the warriors in the ATO gave interviews in pure Russian (and asked them in Ukrainian), so do you know why they spoke RUSSIAN? Yes, because they are Russian and practically do not speak Ukrainian - draw a conclusion.


        well ... the inhabitants of the separatist shard they are. how the power changes, they will give interviews, serving in parts of the RA. plastic psyche. always has been. Germans at one time met with flowers and embroidered shirts, then the Red Army with tears in their eyes. and sincerely so :-))))
    2. Belgorod
      Belgorod 26 September 2015 12: 17 New
      +8
      Kremlin policy in Ukraine is CRIMINAL AND CRAWLING is a betrayal of the Russian people.

      And what do you suggest - to intervene?
      Send troops to the outskirts and get about 30 million parasites?
      Are you ready to feed them and keep? AND?
      They sold the remains of Soviet property for 20 years. And where they could spoil Russia, dumped and brought down prices as much as possible.
      Your proposal is a betrayal of both the Russian and other peoples of the Russian Federation.
      I don’t know, you know, but import substitution has been going on in the Russian Federation since 2010. There is a construction of factories, production is being transferred from Ukraine both at the state and private levels. Whole workshops are opening in Belgorod (I work with Ukrainians)
      And who will work at the new plants? You? That the young became a specialist needs 3-5 years. And in the Russian Federation in 2013, a law was adopted on the simplified provision of citizenship to specialists and members of their families. An interesting picture is obtained, right?
      In Syria
      There are not only the interests of Russia. You lose sight of the interests of Iran, and the interests of China. If this coalition defeats ISIS, the FSA will shamefully leave the region (and then will Israel be shy?)
      But the rout of the FSA is not beneficial to Russia. (we still need an “ally” against China
      If you want to figure this out, read V. Pikul’s book “The Battle of the Iron Chancellors”. My jaw dropped when I realized last year -Putin and his team are repeating the policies of Prince Bestuzhev, the last Chancellor of the Great Empire!
      And lastly. Told last week
      There are many Ukrainians refugees in the Belgorod region. In one office they returned from work on a company bus. So one ch.m.o shouted "Glory to Ukraine!"
      I ask, "What are you?" The answer is "do not worry, .... then thrown out of the bus"
      A s.p. our 20 tons of rubles, and they have 40 thousand.
      And you want some shit to put us on the neck?
      1. War and Peace
        War and Peace 26 September 2015 12: 40 New
        -2
        Quote: Belgorod
        Send troops to the outskirts and get about 30 million parasites?
        Are you ready to feed them and keep? AND?


        where do such ignoramuses come from? Ukraine THE RICHEST STATE, there are huge chernozem areas, there is a rich deposit of metals, coal, titanium, uranium, there is a smart and capable, but confused and deceived people and most importantly Ukraine is the RUSSIAN EARTH ...


        Quote: Belgorod
        my first proposal is a betrayal of both the Russian and other peoples of the Russian Federation.


        people like you would give it away, cut it all up and give it away, the "betrayal" traitor is you ...

        Quote: Belgorod
        I don’t know, you know, but import substitution has been going on in the Russian Federation since 2010. There is a construction of plants, production is being transferred from Ukraine as


        import substitution here, which side? just to say something?

        Quote: Belgorod
        And who will work at the new plants? You?


        no you...

        Quote: Belgorod
        If you want to figure this out, read V. Pikul’s book “The Battle of the Iron Chancellors”. My jaw dropped when I realized last year -Putin and his team are repeating the policies of Prince Bestuzhev, the last Chancellor of the Great Empire!


        your level of education and culture is clear, the one who refers to Pikul, besides zomboyaschik and low-quality historical fiction, has no other information sources and is not interested, read uncle pickul, you can read more dumas from the same series ...
        1. Belgorod
          Belgorod 26 September 2015 13: 26 New
          +1
          I watch only the performance of Ukrainians on TV
          Putin has already been compared with Gorchakov (I apologize to Bestuzhev) and his policies
          About Pikul
          The famous historian B. A. Rybakov noted that V. S. Pikul “does a useful job” and that his books have played a significant role in the current intensification of thirst for Russian history.

          History buffs will surely enjoy reading numerous historical novels by Soviet writer Valentin Pikul. During the USSR, his works “The Pen and the Sword”, “The Word and the Deed”, “Favorite”, “Cruisers”, “At the Last Line” and many others were extremely popular. A peculiar, original author's style, a deep knowledge of history (this is all the more valuable because Pikul had no historical education), fascinating stories - all this still draws the attention of readers to the works of this writer.

          More details: http://www.kakprosto.ru/kak-896475-kakie-istoricheskie-knigi-pochitat#ixzz3mq0bb
          Ouz

          And I also read Chivilikhin, if you can master it, it’s very interesting. As I understand it (according to your statements), your level is "Ryaba Kuroka" in five volumes.
          Ukraine THE RICHEST STATE

          Nude nude
          This is the first time I voted for EdRo on December 4, 2011, after the Kharkov miner, on December 3, blinded in my hearts "You! Everything is developing for you (in Russia), but everything is going to hell with us" and this is 2011
          I will never forget the tears of Khokhl (it was Khokhlah - I spoke precisely at the move). He and I drank in 2012 near Odessa both for Ukraine and Russia. So here are his words- “Ukraine has NO FUTURE” And he also told how in Lviv the locals considered him to be (although he spoke a mov)
          I’m a traitor, but no, it’s more likely to relate to people like you. Who sit and tremble with their tongue and do nothing and consider themselves the supreme being (based on your insults) I have seen enough of your brother and besides feeling disgust I have nothing
      2. atalef
        atalef 26 September 2015 12: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Belgorod
        There are not only the interests of Russia. You lose sight of Iran’s interests, and China’s interests

        China? belay And what ?
        Quote: Belgorod
        If this coalition defeats ISIS, the FSA will shamefully leave the region (and then will Israel be shy?

        China to fight?
        And if you defeat ISIS? We will say thanks and what will change for us?
        Quote: Belgorod
        If you want to figure this out, read V. Pikul’s book “The Battle of the Iron Chancellors”. My jaw dropped when I realized last year -Putin and his team are repeating the policies of Prince Bestuzhev, the last Chancellor of the Great Empire!

        Will the ending be identical?
        Quote: Belgorod
        A s.p. our 20 tons of rubles, and they have 40 thousand.
        And you want some shit to put us on the neck?

        Brothers laughing
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 26 September 2015 13: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          China? And what ?


          The less Qatari gas flowing through a pipe through Syria to Europe, the more China will get it, and bargaining is appropriate ... not mine - I don’t remember which of the members of the VO forum but elegantly and accurately ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 September 2015 13: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: vorobey
            if we eat less Qatari gas through a pipe through Syria, it will flow to Europe, the more China will get it,

            Sash, yes, gas in the world is heaps. they froze the Power of Siberia (because such volumes are not needed), and then they will go to war in Syria because of the Qatari gas
            Which by the way is so much that enough for 10 Chinas
            Quote: vorobey
            Yes, and bargaining is appropriate ...

            For what ? What does China need in Syria?
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 26 September 2015 14: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              For what ? What does China need in Syria?


              The head of the American president ..- exaggerated ... weapons to roll ... learn the tactics ... the Americans and China are swinging through Taiwan and through this ... I wanted to be clever and forgot ... they have a mountain village ... laughing

              and about gas, a moot point ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 26 September 2015 14: 05 New
                0
                Quote: vorobey
                weapons to roll ... learn the tactics ... the Americans and China are swinging through Taiwan

                Sasha, well Chesslovo, for the sake of such garbage, they do not climb into armed conflicts.
                Moreover, China has enough problems in the economy
                Quote: vorobey
                and about gas, a moot point ...

                Which part?
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 26 September 2015 15: 06 New
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  Sasha, well Chesslovo, for the sake of such garbage, they do not climb into armed conflicts.


                  you missed the main thing - the head of the American president ... remember, I quoted Brzezinski’s quotes a lot ... and so Bzhizik’s nightmare begins to come true ... quote

                  On this huge, bizarre outline of a Eurasian chessboard,
                  extending from Lisbon to Vladivostok, there are figures for
                  "games". If the middle part can be included in the expanding orbit of the West (where
                  America dominates) if in the southern region domination of one does not prevail
                  player and if the East does not unite in such a way that will force America
                  leave their overseas bases, then, one might say, America will gain
                  victory. But if the middle part repels the West, it will become an active single
                  whole and either take control of the South or form an alliance with participation
                  major eastern power, then American supremacy in Eurasia sharply
                  narrowed down. The same thing happens if two large eastern players somehow
                  unite in a way. Finally, if Western partners drive America away with her
                  perch on the western periphery, this will automatically mean the end
                  America’s participation in the game on the Eurasian chessboard, even if it is,
                  probably will also mean ultimately submission to the western
                  extremities of the animated player occupying the middle part.
            2. cdrt
              cdrt 26 September 2015 15: 41 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              they froze the Power of Siberia


              and the rights froze directly?
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  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 26 September 2015 10: 43 New
    -2
    Because politics is the art of negotiating: ask for more to get less. Initially, the Novorossiya project was developed by our authorities as a deterrent to Ukrainian national radicalism and, subsequently, as a small change coin to the Crimea. We Crimea, you territorial integrity with the Donbass, but without the Crimea. Ukraine, under US pressure, did not accept the terms of political bargaining. Now the option of surrendering the Donbass will not work, too much had to be sacrificed, the people of Putin will not understand. So you have to raise rates. Naturally, the bidding will not be conducted with Poroshenko, but with his striped sovereign. Syria becomes an increased rate. Russia comes there in order to then leave from there in exchange for the Crimea, complete with the Donbass.
    1. xan
      xan 26 September 2015 12: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Nikolai K
      Russia comes there in order to then leave from there in exchange for the Crimea, complete with the Donbass.

      Having left Syria, Russia will lose weight not only in the Middle East, but also in the world. And this is not only an image, it is a lot of money - military and civil contracts, political orientation.
      Syria must be saved, and if you leave, then only defeating ISIS there and with guarantees for Assad.
      But dill is not going anywhere. Butting dill is useless; the USA cannot get through it, but creating problems for amers in the Middle East is serious.
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 September 2015 12: 51 New
        -3
        Quote: xan
        Leaving Syria, Russia will lose weight not only in the Middle East, but also in the world

        Well, just the same, everyone in the world is watching. what Russia is doing in Syria and bother with one thought-- if Russia leaves Syria, we will stop believing in the Russian world.
        Yes, 80% of the world's population is not even aware of what is happening.
        Quote: xan
        Syria must be saved, and if you leave, then only defeating ISIS there and with guarantees for Assad.

        Garntia on BV laughing Well, it's like Najibullah
        Quote: xan
        but creating problems for amers in the Middle East is serious.

        This is not real.
      2. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 26 September 2015 23: 34 New
        0
        Everything is impossible to embrace. Politics must be realistic. Alas, Russia is systematically losing its zone of influence: Afghanistan, coupled with Central Asia, Yugoslavia, eastern Europe, the Middle East, Libya, Ukraine. Because any political force is based on economic power, and for now we act as a raw materials appendage. But I hope that soon the spring should turn in the opposite direction, life will show.
  • veksha50
    veksha50 26 September 2015 11: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Sasha75
    Because there will be us, there will be chaos



    Hmm, with such a radius of defeat ... pah, control, you can now show Obama ... What is Putin preparing to do this morning at a meeting with the heads of security forces in the Kremlin ...
  • NordUral
    NordUral 26 September 2015 11: 23 New
    0
    And if we impose two more bases deployed in Belarus and the Crimea, it would be even more beautiful. Maybe geyropeyskie warriors violent would calm down.
  • ver_
    ver_ 26 September 2015 12: 35 New
    0
    ... will return to the time of Vladimir the Red Sun-Prince of Kiev and will start from scratch ...
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 26 September 2015 13: 44 New
    +1
    Like in medicine. The basis of treatment is the patient’s desire to survive ...
  • Karlovar
    Karlovar 26 September 2015 18: 37 New
    +1
    The Stone Age on the borders is a big hemorrhoids .... New Pechenegs at the borders of Russia are not needed ...
  • baku1999
    baku1999 26 September 2015 23: 25 New
    -3
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 28 September 2015 16: 47 New
      +1
      Hospadi .... Well, why, why again, the shithead ???? In the article, there were no words about Israel !!!! Why so ??? Syria, Ukraine, Israel, Churchill came up with it all in 18))))
    2. bazilio
      bazilio 28 September 2015 16: 47 New
      0
      Hospadi .... Well, why, why again, the shithead ???? In the article, there were no words about Israel !!!! Why so ??? Syria, Ukraine, Israel, Churchill came up with it all in 18))))
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 26 September 2015 05: 32 New
    +46
    Why Russia saves Syria, not Ukraine
    maybe that's why?
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 26 September 2015 06: 39 New
      +37
      A good analysis, not obscured by excessive insanity, article +
      1. a52333
        a52333 26 September 2015 07: 31 New
        +9
        I do not quite agree with the author.
        The people of Syria, together with the core of the elite and power, become a monolith.

        If you ask yourself why half of Damascus is controlled by igles, you need to operate with two contour maps:
        Areas (quarters) with the Sunni population fall under the control of terrorists.
        And areas with the Alavite, Christian, Ismaili, Druze, Kurdish resistance to the last.
        The answer is simple, like a lowing: for all non-Sunnis (especially the Alawites and Alevites) falling under the igil = death.

        The war in Syria is primarily religious.
        1. gunya
          gunya 26 September 2015 08: 09 New
          +16
          The war in Syria is primarily religious.


          And that means ideological. Shiites and Sunnis are the two main branches of Islam, diverging in insignificant details for many centuries, which have been opposed by the states.
          Purely "religious wars do not happen, behind any war and aggression there is always a question "and to whom and why is it profitable?"
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 26 September 2015 09: 26 New
            +6
            As a schoolboy I read the novel "Black Arrow"
            Rebellion, Bennett, never begins from below - all sane chroniclers agree on this. Riot always goes from top to bottom; when Dickie, Tom, and Harry clutch at their halberds, peer carefully and see which of the Lords is profitable
          2. atalef
            atalef 26 September 2015 09: 31 New
            +4
            Quote: gunya
            And that means ideological. Shiites and Sunites - the two main branches of Islam

            In your opinion, it seems like Islam is divided into 2 parts
            but actually
            Sunnis - 90%
            Shiites - 8%
            the rest with a dozen - hardly intermeddle in 2%
            Quote: gunya
            , diverging in insignificant trifles, for many centuries they have been opposing what states are using.

            Not significant little things belay lol
            In total, Shiites violate the basic tenet of Islam (Sunni)
            There is no God but Allah, and MUHAMMAD his prophet.
            They (Shiites) have Ali - a prophet equal to Muhammad.
            Well, how are the little things ---?
            Quote: gunya
            Purely "religious wars do not happen,

            It happens and how much
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 26 September 2015 12: 40 New
              +1
              It happens and how much more,
              I probably agree with you, because both Jews and Arabs are essentially the same Semites.
        2. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2015 09: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: a52333
          If you ask yourself why half of Damascus is controlled by igles, you need to operate with two contour maps:
          Areas (quarters) with the Sunni population fall under the control of terrorists.

          Only Sunnis in Syria 70%
          Quote: a52333
          And areas with Alavite, Christian, Ismaili, Druze, Kurdish resistance to the last

          The Druze do not live in Damascus - their enclaves are closer to the Golan and they do not fight on the side of Assad - they are neutral today
          Christians - almost everyone escaped
          The Alawites - 12% of the population, in general, is the cause of the war - the dominance of the Alawites (apostates on Sunni Islam)
          Quote: a52333
          The war in Syria is primarily religious

          In, so who will we win? 70% of the population?
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 26 September 2015 09: 33 New
            +7
            Quote: atalef
            Christians - almost everyone escaped

            or cut out

            Quote: atalef
            The Alawites - 12% of the population, in general, is the cause of the war - the dominance of the Alawites (apostates on Sunni Islam)


            12 percent - dominance? interesting to us Jehovah's Witnesses, too, begin to cut as apostate sectarians?
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 10: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              or cut out

              He does not play roles, there are practically none
              Quote: vorobey
              12 percent - dominance? interesting to us Jehovah's Witnesses, too, begin to cut as apostate sectarians?

              Well, you are the same - compared the BV and the mentality of the Arabs, with the Europeans.
              By the way, how would the Russians react if
              1.President - Tatar
              2. Premier and cab.min - Tatars
              3. The entire top of the army and special services are the Tatars.
              And so all the time and from year to year and by inheritance
              Tatars are the same in Russia somewhere around 12-15%
              hi
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 26 September 2015 10: 16 New
                +7
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: vorobey
                or cut out

                He does not play roles, there are practically none
                Quote: vorobey
                12 percent - dominance? interesting to us Jehovah's Witnesses, too, begin to cut as apostate sectarians?

                Well, you are the same - compared the BV and the mentality of the Arabs, with the Europeans.
                By the way, how would the Russians react if
                1.President - Tatar
                2. Premier and cab.min - Tatars
                3. The entire top of the army and special services are the Tatars.
                And so all the time and from year to year and by inheritance
                Tatars are the same in Russia somewhere around 12-15%
                hi


                Thought it yourself?

                Why are we not Tatars? Tatars and Jews ... why this .. or in Hohland it is better ... there were Georgians in history ...
                1. atalef
                  atalef 26 September 2015 10: 20 New
                  -7
                  Quote: vorobey
                  Why are we not Tatars? Tatars and Jews ... why this .. or in Hohland it is better ... there were Georgians in history.

                  So you have everything ahead laughing
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 26 September 2015 10: 32 New
                    +8
                    Quote: atalef
                    So you have everything ahead


                    We are just behind ... 90

                    You know, I can afford to carry a blizzard, but I rarely miss it .. laughing

                    as examples of Armata, Syria, and the fact that Crimea is in Russia ... well, Ukraine still has a half-life ... you old-timers should remember everything I said and argued about ... drinks
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 26 September 2015 10: 41 New
                      -4
                      Quote: vorobey
                      We are just behind ... 90

                      And they didn’t.
                      They didn’t live very badly in the 90s, and they somehow didn’t remember or help Russia - the Allies laughing
                      Quote: vorobey
                      Well, in Ukraine, another half-life is passing ... you old-timer should remember everything that I said and argued about ...

                      Of course there are problems, but Ukraine will not fall apart, and you probably already understood the same thing, and as I understand it, not only you. Therefore, suddenly the emphasis also went to Syria, and about Boeing - they calmed down and so on and so forth.
                      The project of Novorosia is (in my eyes) a monstrous failure of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and GDP personally.
                      Russia only lost from this - economically, politically and most importantly, it lost a huge country, Ukraine, and a huge fraternal Ukrainian people.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 26 September 2015 10: 50 New
                        +4
                        Quote: atalef
                        Russia only lost from this - economically, politically and most importantly, it lost a huge country, Ukraine, and a huge fraternal Ukrainian people.

                        Brotherly? Is this when he was?
                        Politically? So who was our enemy and remained.
                        Quote: atalef
                        but Ukraine will not fall apart

                        So far, everything is going to this.
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 26 September 2015 10: 59 New
                        -5
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Brotherly? Is this when he was?

                        Here is the result on the face.
                        They say the same thing there (but after all, so many years together and everything in common including the Second World War)
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Politically? So who was our enemy and remained.

                        Then what are we fighting for?
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        While all this goes

                        Does not go.
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 26 September 2015 11: 22 New
                        +5
                        Quote: atalef
                        They say the same thing there (but after all, so many years together and everything in common including the Second World War)

                        The general thing is that there have never been any Ukrainians in nature. Project Ukraine - was invented by the Austrians to divide the Russians. The whole point of Ukrainians as a separate people is only Russophobia, because if you do not shout about "the Russian Empire (USSR) - the prison of peoples and the oppressor", then it is not clear why it is needed at all.
                        Quote: atalef
                        Then what are we fighting for

                        With those who were and stayed and we fight.
                        Quote: atalef
                        Does not go.

                        Judging by how actively her neighbors behave, the question of integrity is a strong question.
                  2. vorobey
                    vorobey 26 September 2015 12: 03 New
                    +5
                    Quote: atalef
                    The project of Novorosiya is (in my eyes) a monstrous failure of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and GDP personally.


                    There is no failure ... I do not see at least ... Sanya .. while some gentle individuals add me to the black lists not wanting to see comments that, in principle, stupidity and weakness means (there weren’t such skirmishes between us) I’ll explain. ..

                    Integration of Donbass into Russia is in full swing ... I omit the humcons and material support for restoration ...

                    you know that in addition to the media, I always relied on what I see, and I don’t disdain to talk about jest therefore everywhere for my own and with the homeless and on the board of directors .. and so ..

                    I live outside the city and every day on the highway, in addition to cars with Ukrainian numbers, not only VV or AN still watch direct buses Gorlovka - Yalta, Kharkov - Krasnodar, Donetsk - Krasnodar, etc., in addition to this, a large number of trucks from Donetsk and Lugansk. .. the economy of Donbass is slowly but surely integrating, and the main currency is the ruble, well, the dollar is as exchangeable .. people come here and work and trade ... they buy a little since prices are still higher than ours ...

                    Now so ... NATO has no evidence of the presence of Russian troops in the Donbass? no, given the evidence, space photos cited now in Syria, unreal eyewitnesses and so on ... there isn’t such a thing in the Donbass ... Russia introduced all the stories - not the basis. this is not a war, but some frictions, and, accordingly, there is no legal right to introduce NATO forces into Ukraine. If Russia forcefully began to resolve this issue then yes ... but for now no, alas .. and everyone understands this ... In addition, dissatisfaction with the current government is growing and the Ukrainian mentality is so high, if only nobody had canceled the wines and here, the DPR and LPR as a bridgehead with a loyal population and support plus already economically integrated just in the subject ... and even more so if you start giving Russian passports, then here it’s a completely different scenario - Abkhazian .. you understand what I mean .. so that Ukraine is still ahead ... we’ll wait for the third spring .. and inappropriately about the betrayal of the Russian people ... Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich is weak evidence of involvement in the Russian world ... laughing
                  3. atalef
                    atalef 26 September 2015 12: 19 New
                    0
                    Quote: vorobey
                    Integration of Donbass in Russia is in full swing .. I omit the humcons and material support for restoration ..

                    And do you consider this a victory?
                    Yes, this is Poroshenko’s 100% plan, giving him all the advantages that you can imagine
                    Quote: vorobey
                    I live outside the city and every day on the highway, in addition to cars with Ukrainian numbers, not only VV or AN still watch direct buses Gorlovka - Yalta, Kharkov - Krasnodar, Donetsk - Krasnodar, etc., in addition to this, a large number of trucks from Donetsk and Lugansk. .. the economy of Donbass is slowly but confidently integrating

                    Sasha, let's skip the stage - SLOWLY, BUT TRUE. and let’s go straight to the fact that Donbass became part of Russia
                    Write me the pros and cons that Russia will gain and the same about Ukraine.

                    Quote: vorobey
                    Now so ... NATO has no evidence of the presence of Russian troops in the Donbass?

                    Again, you return to the fact that it’s sucked enough (I’ll tell you that there are soldiers, you don’t tell me) the piano does not play, skip the intermediate steps - if the goal is to integrate the DPR and LPR into Russia, then suppose that this happened
                    (+) and (-) write
                    let's move on to

                    Quote: vorobey
                    and even more so if you begin to give Russian passports, then here a completely different situation turns out - Abkhazian .. you understand what I mean.

                    Yes, I understand - I understand.
                    Further, what will happen?
                    In Abkhazia, 60 tons, in the DPR and LPR 4.5 million.
                    Quote: vorobey
                    . so that Ukraine is still ahead ... we are waiting for the third spring.

                    And in Syria, the 5th, but what's the point?
                    Quote: vorobey
                    Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich weak evidence of involvement in the Russian world ...

                    as well as Mikhailo Mikhailovich Mikhalko - but in Ukraine there are such
                    Oh well, Sasha. about (+) and (-) do not forget to answer.
                  4. vorobey
                    vorobey 26 September 2015 12: 42 New
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    Sasha, let's skip the stage - SLOWLY, BUT TRUE. and let’s get right to the fact that Donbass became part of Russia. Write me the pros and cons that Russia will gain and the same thing about Ukraine.


                    Yes, they are not needed as part of Russia ... damn you feel the difference or not ... Belarus as a part ... we need if not fraternal as Belarus, then at least a union state at hand and not a country a mistake ...

                    DNI and LC - a Trojan horse - if it will be more understandable ...
              2. xan
                xan 26 September 2015 13: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                The project of Novorosiya is (in my eyes) a monstrous failure of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and GDP personally.

                Of course a failure, and Crimea is some kind of nonsense.
                Quote: atalef
                Russia only lost from this - economically, politically and most importantly, it lost a huge country, Ukraine, and a huge fraternal Ukrainian people.

                We won economically, we just need to look into the future. And politically - so Ukraine, after gaining independence, was not friendly. Without exception, all the presidents of dill planted Russophobia for obvious reasons, I will not write about the people themselves, everything has already been sucked 100 times. A little more, and the Ukrainian elites would completely reformat the state into a single nation. But for our happiness, the amers did not have the brains and endurance. And now we have Crimea in Russia, a formidable dill for the Donbass, and the rest of the dill drowning in its own ram.
                So what did the GDP lose?
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          3. Dart2027
            Dart2027 26 September 2015 10: 44 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            So you have everything ahead

            When Ivan the Terrible conquered Kazan, then most of his army was just the Tatars and nothing.
            Quote: atalef
            mentality of Arabs, with Europeans

            Fascism was invented not by Arabs, but by Europeans.
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 11: 01 New
              -4
              Quote: Dart2027
              When Ivan the Terrible conquered Kazan, then most of his army was just the Tatars and nothing.

              So what ? Maybe even by the time of the Tataromongol yoke we refer? It is so relevant to today's situation. laughing
              Quote: Dart2027
              Fascism was invented not by Arabs, but by Europeans.

              So what ? Does that stop Arabs from cutting their heads and burning alive?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 26 September 2015 11: 27 New
                +3
                Quote: atalef
                It is so relevant to today's situation.

                In addition, we have the experience of a single state, and we will sort it out somehow.
                Quote: atalef
                This prevents Arabs from cutting their heads and burning alive.

                It does not interfere. Just do not say that the Arabs are bloodthirsty barbarians, and the Europeans have a different mentality - both of them are good.
              2. atalef
                atalef 26 September 2015 11: 49 New
                -4
                Quote: Dart2027
                In addition, we have the experience of a single state, and we will sort it out somehow.

                Here's the word - HOW something - and you can see
                Quote: Dart2027
                Just do not say that the Arabs are bloodthirsty barbarians, and the Europeans have a different mentality - both of them are good.

                Do you live in an alternate universe?
              3. Dart2027
                Dart2027 26 September 2015 12: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                Here's the word - HOW something - and you can see

                How much time has passed since then and nothing - there were few problems with them.
                Quote: atalef
                You live in an alternate universe

                That is, not Europeans came up with fascism? And before his scientific justification, weren't they dabbling in genocide too?
          4. kotvov
            kotvov 26 September 2015 12: 48 New
            0
            So what ? Does it stop Arabs from cutting their heads and burning alive ?,
            duck from ,, civilized ,, your older brothers have learned.
          5. dali
            dali 26 September 2015 13: 09 New
            -1
            Quote: atalef
            So what ? Maybe even by the time of the Tataromongol yoke we refer? It is so relevant to today's situation.


            Another cliche vtyuhannaya Western historians ... are you sure that there was a Tatar-Mongol yoke?

            For your information, Genghis Khan destroyed the last representative of the Tatars in 1213.

            Further, Batu: “Batu did not touch Northern Russia, although Novgorod, for example, standing on a trade route, was at that time the richest city. And Alexander Nevsky did his thing at that hour - he fought with the Swedes and Germans, as if a reliable rear was behind him. And "he hasn’t yet destroyed churches and monasteries, with the exception of Ryazan and Kozelsk, he didn’t pay tribute, he didn’t persecute priests, while walking around the Muslim East he razed mosques and minarets."

            And Kazan, for your information, is the Bulgars ...
          6. atalef
            atalef 26 September 2015 13: 15 New
            -1
            Quote: Dali
            Another cliche vtyuhannaya Western historians ... are you sure that there was a Tatar-Mongol yoke?

            But then there is something to say? I generally had it on the drum or not.
            hi
          7. dali
            dali 26 September 2015 13: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            But then there is something to say? I generally had it on the drum or not.


            And you:
            Quote: atalef
            So what ? Maybe even by the time of the Tataromongol yoke we refer?


            So at first you would look at yourself ... laughing
  • kotvov
    kotvov 26 September 2015 12: 44 New
    0
    The number in Russia is 5554,6 thousand people. (census of 2002) - 3,83% of the population of Russia ,,
    this is what you think in Israel. Then it’s clear why in the world most of the bankers are Jews.
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 26 September 2015 10: 12 New
    +5
    Quote: vorobey
    12 percent - dominance? interesting to us Jehovah's Witnesses, too, begin to cut as apostate sectarians?

    Sasha, the author, Alexander (atalef), had in mind the fact that the Alavite minority concentrated in its hands all the fullness of power and big business (in particular, everything related to hydrocarbons), naturally this did not cause enthusiasm for the rest of the population. And in general, really the origins of the conflict are precisely in this. Plus external pressure, the same Saudis were in no way satisfied with Assad’s control of the Syrian pipeline section to Europe.
    Well, like a little added with your permission. request
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 26 September 2015 10: 22 New
      +6
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      Sasha, the author, Alexander (atalef), had in mind the fact that the Alavite minority concentrated in its hands all the fullness of power and big business


      Partly agree .. just like in our country the Jewish minority chopped off .. (you can call me an anti-Semite-survived) but ... we don’t arrange war and massacre for some reason .. Alexander is trying to justify the infringed Sunnis who got under the black banners - yeah. Allah is with us and four machine guns ... and also plus Israel and the United States that unobtrusively support ... because if Hezbollah gets more bogged down with ISIS, there will be less time left for Israel .. and if the blame is thrown down, the disputed issue in the Golan will be resolved.
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 September 2015 10: 47 New
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        Quote: vorobey
        Partly agree .. just like in our country the Jewish minority chopped off .. (you can call me anti-Semite, I’ve survived) but ... we don’t arrange war and massacre for some reason.

        Sanya, the people of Russia so far, that honors the Criminal Code.
        But believe me - it would be possible laughing ....
        Quote: vorobey
        Alexander is trying to justify the infringed Sunnis who have risen under black banners

        I do not justify them, I state a fact.
        I say that when the Sunni majority revolted demanding at least the same piece of cake as the Alawites - Vladyka Assad did not think of anything more clever how to begin to crush them-- the result of a * visionary * policy on the face
        Quote: vorobey
        plus Israel and the United States that unobtrusively support

        Sash, if Israel wanted, Assad’s bones would be in the grave of the year 3-4.
        Quote: vorobey
        because if Hezbollah gets bogged down with ISIS more, less time will be left for Israel.

        Why do we get into a showdown between the BROTHERS laughing
        Quote: vorobey
        Yes, and if you blame the Assad, the controversial issue in the Golan will be resolved.

        He had long since made up his mind and Assad was never a mortally dangerous enemy to Israel.
  • a52333
    a52333 26 September 2015 10: 36 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Druze do not live in Damascus -

    Did I say that?

    Quote: atalef
    Alawites -12% of the population is, in general, the reason for the war - the dominance of the Alawites


    And who are you proposing to support? Wahhabis?
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 11: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: a52333
      And who are you proposing to support? Wahhabis?

      I don’t offer anything at all.
      Sunnis are not Wahhabis (in the case of Syria), in Syria they do not seem to exist at all. In any case, I have not seen any mention of the dominance of this trend of Islam (Sunni persuasion) in Syria.
      You can, of course, support the Alawites until they turn blue and even ruin the Russians - but what's the point?
      There will be only one result
      That being said
      - How many wolves do not feed, but the elephant is thicker laughing
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  • Horst78
    Horst78 26 September 2015 08: 53 New
    +9
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 (1) Today, 06: 39 ↑
    A good analysis, not obscured by excessive insanity, article +

    So I liked the article. For a long time I have not read such here. Briefly, in essence, and no snot. hi
  • BDRM 667
    BDRM 667 26 September 2015 08: 38 New
    +3
    Why Russia saves Syria, not Ukraine


    Maybe because: "Questions are resolved as they become available"?

    Syria, "began" earlier, decisions on it, "ripened", including due to a threat from ISIS for us, a critical aggravation of the situation ...

    And to Ukraine, "reach the hands."
  • BDRM 667
    BDRM 667 26 September 2015 08: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Why Russia saves Syria, not Ukraine
    maybe that's why?

    And if you slightly change the title of the article and write: Why is Russia saving Syria, and not DONBASS?

    Then, you, I, and NOBODY in fact, will not be able to answer as you did: "maybe that's why?"
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 26 September 2015 09: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: BDRM 667
      And if you slightly change the title of the article and write: Why is Russia saving Syria, and not DONBASS? Then, you, I, and NOBODY in fact, will not be able to answer as you did: "maybe that's why?"


      for the very intelligible, everything is described in two phrases ... Donbass is a springboard for the liberation of Ukraine ...
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 26 September 2015 09: 35 New
        -3
        Quote: vorobey
        for the very intelligible, everything is described in two phrases ... Donbass is a springboard for the liberation of Ukraine ...

        You, please, do not sore ("for those who are especially knowledgeable"), but justify by documents, WHO and WHEN, from Russian officials, declared Donbass as a bridgehead and intentions to liberate Ukraine?

        The fact that the support of Donbass is very limited and complicated by the lack of a clear, recognized status naturally naturally limits our possibilities, compared with Syria, this is a fact.

        And this, of course, imposes some "restrictions" on the liberties of the statements of our politicians and the military. (remember the statement by Shamanov about his readiness to send airborne units to Syria) ...

        “Across Syria” we hear and see something, “Across the Donbass” - no.

        I repeat - OFFICIALLY.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 26 September 2015 09: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: BDRM 667
          and justify documented WHO and WHEN, from Russian officials, announced the Donbass as a bridgehead, and intentions to liberate Ukraine?


          to lay out all the plans of the General Staff or the government?


          Quote: BDRM 667
          The fact that the support of Donbass is very limited and complicated by the lack of a clear, recognized status naturally naturally limits our possibilities, compared with Syria, this is a fact.


          but now you justify what and what is limited ... what are the restrictions on help and support ... nonsense ..


          Quote: BDRM 667
          I repeat - OFFICIALLY.


          language is given to man to hide his thoughts .. dear ..
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          2. BDRM 667
            BDRM 667 26 September 2015 09: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: vorobey
            language is given to man to hide his thoughts .. dear ..

            And the mind, and the associated sense of tact in communication, is given to a person to be judged as sane.

            Your model of communication, dialogue, is very much like interrogation by a drunken, corrupt cop who strives at all costs to “hang” the blame on the opponent (“suspect”).

            Although you are a moderator and you seem to be "not in status", but welcome to the "emergency", you will be comfortable there.
            Maybe a little cold.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 26 September 2015 12: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: BDRM 667
              And the mind, and the associated sense of tact in communication, is given to a person to be judged as sane.


              console yourself with the fact that I'm insane ... his clown should not only be in the parliament or the State Duma ... laughing
      2. atalef
        atalef 26 September 2015 10: 14 New
        -1
        Quote: vorobey
        Donbass is a springboard for the liberation of Ukraine ...

        Sanya, well, honestly.
        What the fuck is liberation.
        You don’t understand one thing, Ukrainians ’satisfaction with Poroshenko and hatred of Russia are 2 things that don’t touch each other
        They will change Poros, there will be someone else - this will not turn public opinion in Ukraine towards Russia.
        Here there is such an opinion (in VO) that in Ukraine it will become completely shitty and they will fall to their knees in front of Russia.
        No, everything is much simpler, they will hold some regular Maidan, dump some Yatsenyuk, but they will not return to Russia.
        Too much blood has been shed, the reasons for the war are too obvious in their eyes, they will never forgive Crimea (although it has never been Ukraine in my eyes), but Donbass is even more so.
        There is no one to liberate - in Ukraine Russia is not expected, they do not want and they will perceive the liberators exclusively as occupiers
        IMHO.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 26 September 2015 10: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          There is no one to liberate - in Ukraine Russia is not expected, they do not want and they will perceive the liberators exclusively as occupiers of IMHO.


          Well, x .. with them then ..
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 September 2015 10: 49 New
            -5
            Quote: vorobey
            Well, x .. with them then ..

            This is understandable, only how to rewind the film back? 10t lives back, etc. etc.?
            This is the problem, as a * farsighted * MIDA, advisers and GDP.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 26 September 2015 12: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: vorobey
              Well, x .. with them then ..

              This is understandable, only how to rewind the film back? 10t lives back, etc. etc.?
              This is the problem, as a * farsighted * MIDA, advisers and GDP.


              and why the heck all this two years ago was generally conceived ... and what did YOU say ....
        2. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 26 September 2015 10: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          There is no one to liberate - in Ukraine Russia is not expected, they do not want and they will perceive the liberators exclusively as occupiers
          IMHO.


          That is what "IMHO". Read here: http://topwar.ru/82928-osvoboditelnyy-pohod-ili-pochemu-na-kresah-byli-rady-izba
          vleniyu-ot-polyakov.html
          with the time difference that existed then in the social system, analogies are noticeable and certain.
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 September 2015 10: 51 New
            -4
            Quote: BDRM 667
            That is what "IMHO". Read here

            Sorry, you would have a picture with Bogdan Khmelnitsky * The reunification of Ukraine with Russia * brought.
            It really is not clear that what was 70 years ago is absolutely not relevant to the current situation.
            1. BDRM 667
              BDRM 667 26 September 2015 11: 00 New
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              It really is not clear that what was 70 years ago is absolutely not relevant to the current situation.


              And how is relevant(beautifully "wrapped" good ), even more so than then.

              Just a little bit about it:
              - memory of the USSR, at the "gene level"
              -fatigue from war
              -fatigue from economic lawlessness and as a result, impoverishment.

              And to someone, AT ALL ..., "under what authority to live."

              Fold it all together, and not such an apocalyptic picture comes out.
              In addition, time works against the Kiev fascists, rebellion, among the population, their actions cause less and less ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 26 September 2015 11: 23 New
                -7
                Quote: BDRM 667
                memory of the USSR, at the "gene level"

                Yes ? Why not about the Tatar-Mongol yoke? It was still 300 years old, and the USSR -70 (but in general even less)
                Quote: BDRM 667
                -fatigue from war

                Where in Ukraine? Of course, but what is the connection between fatigue from the war and the desire to return to the USSR and under the wing of Russia?
                Quote: BDRM 667
                fatigue from economic lawlessness and, as a result, impoverishment

                This was one of the reasons for the Maidan.

                Quote: BDRM 667
                Fold it all together, and not such an apocalyptic picture comes out.

                For whom ?
                Quote: BDRM 667
                In addition, time works against the Kiev fascists, rebellion, among the population, their actions cause less and less ...

                And they actually never really admired any power, but the question is different -
                - What does this have to do with the return to the fold of Russia?
                1. BDRM 667
                  BDRM 667 26 September 2015 11: 39 New
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: BDRM 667
                  Fold it all together, and not such an apocalyptic picture comes out.

                  For whom ?


                  For us, who should decide the "issue" with Ukraine ...
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: BDRM 667
                  fatigue from economic lawlessness and, as a result, impoverishment

                  This was one of the reasons for the Maidan.


                  Believe me, not the MAIN. The then "impoverishment" that occurred primarily among the oligarchs, due to the fact that the Yanukovych clan "tore them off", this is "baby talk" in comparison with what is happening now.

                  And even with those oligarchs who "rebelled" then against Yanukovych. And about the people, in general it is not necessary to speak ...

                  The junta, led by the United States, knows its business ...
                  Quote: atalef
                  And they actually never really admired any power, but the question is different -
                  - What does this have to do with the return to the fold of Russia?


                  Although it’s not yet in the “bosom”, but the Russian Federation is interested in BLOOD, so that the threat no longer emanates from Ukraine.

                  On the example of Israel, I want to ask you, would you be interested in the fact that the terrorist threat would no longer come from the territory of Palestine, for you as a state?

                  The answer, in any case, is in the affirmative.

                  But Israel’s chances with regard to Palestine and us, with respect to Ukraine, are not equal ...
                  We, root to root, we have been cooking for thousands of years in one pot, in the end, in the end we have one religion ...
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 26 September 2015 11: 59 New
                    -3
                    Quote: BDRM 667
                    Although it’s not yet in the “bosom”, but the Russian Federation is interested in BLOOD, so that the threat no longer emanates from Ukraine.

                    I'm sorry, but you created a hostile state from Ukraine first of all.
                    According to the latest soc. 82 polls% of Ukrainians want in NATO.
                    How do you think why ?
                    Quote: BDRM 667
                    On the example of Israel, I want to ask you, would you be interested in the fact that the terrorist threat would no longer come from the territory of Palestine, for you as a state?

                    The question and its statement are not correct for reasons
                    1. We have never been one nation
                    2. We in no way want to integrate Palestine into Israel
                    And the rest is the normal desire of any state not to see a threat in its neighbor.
                    only our confrontation with the Arabs is a historical fact, but where is yours from Ukraine?
                    Quote: BDRM 667
                    But Israel’s chances with regard to Palestine and us, with regard to Ukraine, are not equal

                    Equal
                    No matter how much we jump, Palestine will be hostile to us, with regard to Ukraine - in the short term - Russia should expect the same (but we will be honest and Russia will be hostile to Ukraine) - even more so than Ukraine
                    Quote: BDRM 667
                    We, root to root, we have been boiling for one millennium in one pot, in the end, we have only one religion ..

                    Well, here I am about that - and what have you turned the whole people of Ukraine into
                    -Humazes, fascists. Bandera, the junta-one people say wink
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                    2. BDRM 667
                      BDRM 667 26 September 2015 12: 07 New
                      +4
                      Quote: atalef
                      Well, here I am about that - and what have you turned the whole people of Ukraine into
                      -Humazes, fascists. Bandera, the junta-one people say

                      We ??? belay
                      Quote: atalef
                      According to the latest soc. 82 polls% of Ukrainians want in NATO.
                      How do you think why ?


                      Because these "polls" are falsified, like those that were allegedly conducted in the "territories occupied by militants and Russian invaders" ...
                    3. atalef
                      atalef 26 September 2015 12: 22 New
                      -2
                      Quote: BDRM 667
                      We ???

                      No, they called themselves that.
                      Quote: BDRM 667
                      Because these "polls" are falsified

                      Of course . what you don't like is falsified
                      laughing
                      Quote: BDRM 667
                      as well as those allegedly carried out in the "territories occupied by militants and Russian invaders" ...

                      Of course laughing
                    4. BDRM 667
                      BDRM 667 26 September 2015 12: 36 New
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      No, they called themselves that.

                      Of course, not themselves, but WE.

                      We are not much afraid in this world to call by our own names, unlike those who went under the USA ...

                      But "formed", they, in general, "by themselves", but were supported and cherished by the State Department.
                      But our guilt, there is a bit of it, and not small ...

                      "Missed" ... Could not, "work" like the United States, acting in such cases "ahead", to prevent the Maidan and subsequent chaos ...
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 12: 07 New
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  How do you think why ?

                  Because propaganda works well in Ukraine!
                  Quote: atalef
                  but you created a hostile state from Ukraine first of all.

                  Probably they were given little.
                  Quote: atalef
                  -Humazes, fascists. Bandera, the junta-one people say

                  So rabble in Galicia SS and Nakhtigal, too, were.
                3. atalef
                  atalef 26 September 2015 12: 23 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Because propaganda works well in Ukraine!
                4. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 12: 27 New
                  +6
                  Quote: atalef
                  Because propaganda works well in Ukraine!

                  Kiselevschina doesn’t roll. It is once a week, and you need to brainwash daily, otherwise there will be no result
                5. atalef
                  atalef 26 September 2015 12: 38 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Kiselevschina doesn’t roll. It is once a week, and you need to brainwash daily, otherwise there will be no result

                  Sanya, the last year including Russian channels, I practically did not hear anything except news about Ukraine.
                  Result on face
                6. BDRM 667
                  BDRM 667 26 September 2015 13: 00 New
                  +3
                  Quote: atalef
                  Sanya, the last year including Russian channels, I practically did not hear anything except news about Ukraine.
                  Result on face


                  What do you want? Whoever that hurts speaks about that ...

                  Ukraine, our pain, the presence or absence of which depends on how we feel whether we are safe or not.
                  For, if you let it go, as we recklessly have already done 25 years ago, then the "hemorrhagic" worse than your Palestine, we, in the form of US bases in Ukraine, are provided ...

                  Therefore, such close attention.
                7. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 14: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Sanya, the last year including Russian channels, I practically did not hear anything except news about Ukraine.

                  I don’t understand, you turned on the TV to watch the news on our channels?
                  I understand, nostalgia wassat
                  Listen, Sanya, I specially turned on the news now. Ukraine caught a glimpse when you managed to rinse Kiselev’s brain request
                8. atalef
                  atalef 26 September 2015 15: 09 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Listen, Sanya, I specially turned on the news now. Ukraine caught a glimpse when you managed to rinse Kiselev’s brain

                  now - yes, now Syria is in trend, and last year? wink
                9. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 15: 11 New
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  now - yes, now Syria is in trend, and last year?

                  Sanya, it’s good to fill it, and you and I are sitting here, we have no time to watch news on TV and why not lol
                  Although here on the site, yes, Ukraine was in the first place, now Syria.
                10. atalef
                  atalef 26 September 2015 15: 24 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Although here on the site, yes, Ukraine was in the first place, now Syria.

                  All in accordance with propaganda in the Russian media Do not find?
        3. Kaiten
          Kaiten 26 September 2015 15: 27 New
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Kiselevschina doesn’t roll. It is once a week, and you need to brainwash daily, otherwise there will be no result


          Previously, news from Russia looked like this:
          Putin-Medvedev-Putin-Syria / Libya-Housing and Public Utilities
          it now looks like this:
          Ukraine-Ukraine-Putin-Putin-Syria / Europe / refugees-Ukraine
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 15: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Kaiten
          Ukraine-Ukraine-Putin-Putin-Syria / Europe / refugees-Ukraine

          It is commendable that you are interested in news from Russia. Tomorrow Kiseleva do not forget to look.
        5. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2015 15: 34 New
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          It is commendable that you are interested in news from Russia.
        6. Kaiten
          Kaiten 26 September 2015 16: 02 New
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          It is commendable that you are interested in news from Russia. Tomorrow Kiseleva do not forget to look.


          And that they do not watch it in Russia? I remember my childhood in Brezhnev, when Brezhnev hung for hours on TV. So, according to my feelings, Brezhnev is garbage by comparison with Putin. And now you have the same news with the same words on all state channels. It is felt that all editions are given a single list of news that should appear on the air.
        7. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 16: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Kaiten
          And that they do not watch it in Russia?

          It is often watched in Ukraine and Israel, I don’t know why ..... probably popularity.
          Quote: Kaiten
          And now you have the same news with the same words on all state channels

          Maybe I don’t watch telly. I'm more on the Internet. But the paradox is that you are watching this news laughing
        8. Kaiten
          Kaiten 26 September 2015 17: 12 New
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          It is often watched in Ukraine and Israel, I don’t know why ..... probably popularity.

          Well, do not speak for all the inhabitants of Russia.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Maybe I don’t watch telly. I'm more on the Internet. But the paradox is that you are watching this news

          And what is crime, then? In Israel, most immigrants from the USSR watch news from Russia, is the "Russian package" included in the package of all cable channels?
  • vorobey
    vorobey 26 September 2015 12: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    According to the latest soc. 82 polls% of Ukrainians want in NATO.


    give the source Sanya ...

    Quote: atalef
    Well, here I’m talking about - and what have you turned the whole people of Ukraine into - Law Enforcers, fascists. Bandera, the junta-one people say


    yeah .... I personally handed out cookies on the Maidan, and I also thought up a Muscovite for gilyaka ... but how cool it turned out ... it’s creatively so ... and in general, look at Bandera - one person with GDP is undernourished ... sickly ...
  • atalef
    atalef 26 September 2015 12: 57 New
    -2
    Quote: vorobey
    give the source Sanya ...

    There was a program with Ganapolsky. I don’t remember the name, but believe me - I saw it myself
  • vorobey
    vorobey 26 September 2015 13: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: vorobey
    give the source Sanya ...

    There was a program with Ganapolsky . I don’t remember the name, but believe me - I saw it myself



    this is an ekhovsky version of Kiselyov which? laughing
  • atalef
    atalef 26 September 2015 13: 43 New
    -3
    Quote: vorobey
    this is an ekhovsky version of Kiselyov which?

    Sasha, the question is not that now you can say anything about anyone - that all this is a lie and a fake.
    Let’s say so, from my communication with my wife’s many relatives and according to their mood and stories, Ukraine wants NATO and social services. polls confirm this.
    “If in August 2011, in the case of a referendum on Ukraine’s accession to NATO, 17,9% were going to vote for accession, 59,6% against, in April 2014 36,7% and 41,6%, respectively, and in March 2015 - respectively, 43,3% and 31,6%, "the Center said

    This is in March - 43%
    The trend is clear.
  • vorobey
    vorobey 26 September 2015 14: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: vorobey
    this is an ekhovsky version of Kiselyov which?

    Sasha, the question is not that now you can say anything about anyone - that all this is a lie and a fake.
    Let’s say so, from my communication with my wife’s many relatives and according to their mood and stories, Ukraine wants NATO and social services. polls confirm this.
    “If in August 2011, in the case of a referendum on Ukraine’s accession to NATO, 17,9% were going to vote for accession, 59,6% against, in April 2014 36,7% and 41,6%, respectively, and in March 2015 - respectively, 43,3% and 31,6%, "the Center said

    This is in March - 43%
    The trend is clear.


    Poll: Ukrainians want less and less in NATO and are set to normalize relations with Russia

    Oleksandr Protsenko, Ph.D. (Political Science), head of the “Special Status” center for sociological research, said polls show Ukrainians’ reluctance to join NATO, with almost 50% agreeing on compromises with Russia
    Protsenko announced such information, referring to the Pew Research Center.

    According to Protsenko, the demand for the demilitarization of the political and economic spheres is growing against the backdrop of a critical situation in the economy.

    In addition, a study by the Ukrainian sociological group “Rating” showed that the formation of Russia in the image of the enemy and the active development of the topic of Ukraine’s entry into NATO, Ukrainians share less and less every month: last November, the idea of ​​joining the North Atlantic alliance supported 51% Ukrainians, in April 2015, this figure fell to 46%, in June - already 40%.

    According to Protsenko, this can be explained by the fact that joining NATO will lead to aggravation with Russia, which contradicts the interests of both states and people understand this very well

    and this is TSN.

    More than 40% of Ukrainians want Ukraine to join NATO. This is evidenced by the results of an all-Ukrainian survey conducted by KIIS.

    According to the UNIAN, according to the survey, if in March a referendum on Ukraine’s entry into NATO were held, 43,3% of Ukrainians would support this decision, 33,4% would vote against.


    See also: NATO Force Commander says providing weapons to Ukraine could destabilize


    It is noted that in the west the majority of the population supports joining NATO - 63%, against - 14,9%.

    In the center of Ukraine, the share of supporters of joining NATO is 47,3%, versus 29%. In the south, 24,7% would vote for joining NATO, against 54,8%. In the east, for joining NATO - 26,2%, against - 49,5%.

    the trend is clear ...
  • atalef
    atalef 26 September 2015 14: 29 New
    -1
    Quote: vorobey
    the trend is clear ...

    Sanya - the trend is one who conducts a survey and for whom.
    laughing
    Therefore, I (as a rule) refer to my personal impressions, and not to TV propaganda, on the one hand, on the other hand.
    You know, being in the circus in Kiev (led the daughter) - it was very interesting to watch how after the performance of the Belarusian group (equilibrists on horses. It was called in my opinion), the latter, having jumped, unfolded the Ukrainian flag into the arena, the children and their moms just jumped into single outburst. and many began to cry.
    This is what I saw.
    Then draw conclusions yourself. hi
  • vorobey
    vorobey 26 September 2015 14: 53 New
    +3
    For a full house and I can wrap myself in a flag ... money ..

    Quote: atalef
    the children and their mothers just all jumped up in a single rush. and many began to cry.


    But damn m they gas they sell at inflated prices ... and these mothers seriously think so, damn m teeth wrecked the entire economy of Ukraine and do not give them lace underpants ... and so mothers think .. this is a damn m poliomyelitis canceled in Ukraine ...

    so that mothers will soon cry sobbly ... I haven’t seen how the kids are brought here to be vaccinated? in the clinic was the case ...
  • atalef
    atalef 26 September 2015 15: 30 New
    -2
    Quote: vorobey
    For a full house and I can wrap myself in a flag ... money.

    I agree, this is for Belarusians - money
    Quote: vorobey
    But damn m they gas they sell at inflated prices ... and these mothers seriously think so, damn m teeth wrecked the entire economy of Ukraine and do not give them lace underpants ... and so mothers think .. this is a damn m poliomyelitis canceled in Ukraine ...

    sash. it does not play a role, the mood of the population plays a role and what causes it by personal beliefs or propaganda does not matter
    Only the vector and its direction matter
    Quote: vorobey
    so that mothers will cry

    Perhaps just a question.
    What will be felt at the same time - grief over the dead hero or at the loss of nothing.
    Reminds nothing
    - On the world and death is red
    - Let's die, but not bow
    etc . all that. what do you hear about the US and sanctions. they hear about Russia and the war.
    It works the same.
    Draw conclusions
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 15: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    galloping unfolded the Ukrainian flag into the arena, the children and their mothers just all jumped up in a single rush. and many began to cry.
    This is what I saw.

    And you saw it wassat
  • dali
    dali 27 September 2015 02: 17 New
    0
    laughing laughing laughing

    And this only confirms that mattresses and mattress puppets need war ...

    The new term is now used here ... well, I'll try ... laughing

    Wangyu: "Everything that can begin will begin after the UN summit ...".
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 15: 15 New
    0
    Quote: vorobey
    : in November last year, the idea of ​​joining the North Atlantic alliance was supported by 51% of Ukrainians, in April 2015 this figure dropped to 46%, in June - already 40%.

    Ahahahaha. Survey polling discord wassat
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 15: 13 New
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    Quote: atalef
    This is in March - 43%

    Sanya, you can conduct a survey and get that the most popular politician in Ukraine is Putin.
    If gunpowder announces that he has gathered in NATO, they will conduct any survey and paint the necessary numbers.
  • dali
    dali 26 September 2015 13: 44 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Yes ? Why not about the Tatar-Mongol yoke? It was still 300 years old, and the USSR -70 (but in general even less)


    And do you still have many posts about the Tatar-Mongol yoke? Then you already answered that it’s not the topic ... but I think it’s very much the same ... maybe you can guess, well, at least three times why? laughing

    I repeat !!! It:

    Another cliche vtyuhannaya Western historians ... are you sure that there was a Tatar-Mongol yoke?

    For your information, Genghis Khan destroyed the last representative of the Tatars in 1213.

    Further, Batu: “Batu did not touch Northern Russia, although Novgorod, for example, standing on a trade route, was at that time the richest city. And Alexander Nevsky did his thing at that hour - he fought with the Swedes and Germans, as if a reliable rear was behind him. And "he hasn’t yet destroyed churches and monasteries, with the exception of Ryazan and Kozelsk, he didn’t pay tribute, he didn’t persecute priests, while walking around the Muslim East he razed mosques and minarets."

    And Kazan, for your information, is the Bulgars ...
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  • xan
    xan 26 September 2015 12: 47 New
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    There is no one to liberate - in Ukraine Russia is not expected, they do not want and they will perceive the liberators exclusively as occupiers
    IMHO.

    No need to generalize. Dill is full of smart people, full of supporters of Russia and not forgetting our shared history. This is evident from the events in the areas of dill in the winter and spring of 2014. And it will not be Russia that liberates, but the Donbass, and even that not with weapons, but with the presence of the only capable government on the ruins of the rest of the dill.
    Even before the Crimea in February 2014, I read on the Internet the post of a Kiev woman who, with unshakable clarity, saw that only the Russian authorities in Kiev could save the Ukrainians (and not Ukraine) after the victory of the Maidan, and who painted her thoughts and perspectives in a novel. At that time it seemed nonsense.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 13: 23 New
      0
      Quote: xan
      This is evident from the events in the areas of dill in the winter and spring of 2014. And it will not be Russia that liberates, but the Donbass, and even that not with weapons, but with the presence of the only capable government on the ruins of the rest of the dill.

      laughing
      Quote: xan
      Even before the Crimea in February 2014, I read on the Internet the post of a Kiev woman who, with unshakable clarity, saw that only the Russian authorities in Kiev could save the Ukrainians (and not Ukraine) after the victory of the Maidan

      Fidget or what?
      So how is it ? For a year and a half have advanced in this direction?
      1. xan
        xan 27 September 2015 02: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        So how is it ? For a year and a half have advanced in this direction?

        Eyes open eagle deserted. Stop being a smart Jew.
        God's millstones are ground slowly but thoroughly.
        1. dali
          dali 28 September 2015 01: 43 New
          0
          Quote: xan
          God's millstones are ground slowly but thoroughly.


          Right !!! And as an explanation of the words about the inevitable fall of the "enlightened west" ... as they say, quickly only cats will be born ...
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 September 2015 02: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: xan
      Even before the Crimea in February 2014, I read on the Internet the post of a Kiev woman who, with unshakable clarity, saw that only the Russian authorities in Kiev could save the Ukrainians (and not Ukraine) after the victory of the Maidan, and who painted her thoughts and perspectives in a novel. It seemed crazy at the time.

      What is it ... there is such Gleb Bobrov (from Lugansk, by the way) who in 2007 published his novel "The Age of Stillborn", where he described:

      - the war in the Donbass (not as it is now, but very similar)
      -the forces that will cleanse Ukraine from Svidomo (not quite as it is now .. but also very similar)

      And it was eight years ago.

      I recommend reading, by the way, if someone has not read.

      Quote: xan
      it will not be Russia that liberates, but the Donbass, and even then not with weapons, but with the presence of the only competent authority on the ruins of the rest of the dill

      Exactly.
  • 34 region
    34 region 26 September 2015 12: 13 New
    0
    For starters, Donbass is 99 karate. Exhausting an enemy by running (economically). I think through the Donbass there is an intensive depletion of the economy. After all, war is primarily a battle of economies.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 12: 51 New
      0
      Quote: 34 region
      For starters, Donbass is 99 karate. Exhausting an enemy by running (economically). I think through the Donbass there is an intensive depletion of the economy.

      whose?
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 26 September 2015 13: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        whose?

        Your laughing
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 27 September 2015 02: 40 New
        +2
        Sasha I look at your stock colleagues collapsed during the dispute yesterday, like the General was laughing well, at least not in the pub it happens .. wassat
  • Rostovchanin
    Rostovchanin 26 September 2015 05: 33 New
    +1
    Guys now on Twitter at Sharansky saw Motorola in uniform with Syrian insignia, and in the video. Please comment. For example, I won’t understand what it is for.
    https://twitter.com/LevSharansky
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 26 September 2015 05: 37 New
      +9
      Quote: Rostovchanin
      https://twitter.com/LevSharansky

      follow the link ... fake golf request
      1. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 26 September 2015 05: 45 New
        +5
        I found on YouTube
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 06: 17 New
          +10
          Quote: Rostovchanin
          I found on YouTube

          This is not Syria
        2. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 26 September 2015 08: 45 New
          +3
          Photoshop is clear, the forest is clearly not Syrian, and even autumn.
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      2. sl22277
        sl22277 26 September 2015 05: 46 New
        +9
        Of course Fake. What should he do in Syria, in his homeland is full of worries. The fascists only fell silent for a while.
        1. Rostovchanin
          Rostovchanin 26 September 2015 05: 58 New
          +4
          Of course Fake. What should he do in Syria, in his homeland is full of worries. The fascists only fell silent for a while.

          Yes, it’s clear that he’s at home and not in Syria, why he has fastened Syrian signs on, that’s why I ask?
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 26 September 2015 06: 39 New
            +7
            Quote: Rostovchanin
            Yes, it’s clear that he’s at home and not in Syria, why he has fastened Syrian signs on, that’s why I ask?

            consider an expression of support ...
            1. builder
              builder 26 September 2015 07: 10 New
              +4
              Our journalists presented a chevron, there almost all the "motorists" took a picture with this chevron
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 26 September 2015 09: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: Andrew Y.
                Quote: Rostovchanin
                Yes, it’s clear that he’s at home and not in Syria, why he has fastened Syrian signs on, that’s why I ask?

                consider an expression of support ...

                Quote: stroitel
                Our journalists presented a chevron, there almost all the "motorists" took a picture with this chevron


                Moreover, Gromova is there now .. Surely her souvenirs ... Her reports from Syria are familiar to everyone, but they don’t impress about Donbass yet ...
          2. RU-Officer
            RU-Officer 26 September 2015 06: 46 New
            +9
            ... why did he fasten Syrian signs on, that's why I ask?

            I recall that in PAINT.NET (there was nothing more at hand), our commander urgently had to redo it from a major general to a lieutenant general (do not wait for him to deign us to take a picture on the stand). So he was also surprised - they say, how quickly! laughing Although not yet photographed .. belay And from “Motorola” to make a lancer of the times of Suvorov - like two fingers about Photoshop ... tongue
          3. Proud.
            Proud. 26 September 2015 07: 43 New
            +4
            Quote: Rostovchanin
            Yes, it’s clear that he’s at home and not in Syria, why he has fastened Syrian signs on, that’s why I ask?

            Ukrainian hysterics have “sent” him to Syria so many times that (in my opinion) he is already jubilant over them! Or maybe he’s a competent photographer ... er, in the video editor he attached chevrons.
          4. atalef
            atalef 26 September 2015 09: 43 New
            -1
            Quote: Rostovchanin
            Of course Fake. What should he do in Syria, in his homeland is full of worries. The fascists only fell silent for a while.

            Yes, it’s clear that he’s at home and not in Syria, why he has fastened Syrian signs on, that’s why I ask?

            Well, justify it somehow. And now, if anyone even sees him in Russia - like that on a visit, he returned from Syria laughing
    2. Fin
      Fin 26 September 2015 07: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: Rostovchanin
      For example, I won’t understand what it is for.

      The motor trolls dill, after their fake about being captured by ISIS in Syria.
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 26 September 2015 10: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Fin
        The motor trolls dill, after their fake about being captured by ISIS in Syria.


        Perhaps your version, Sergey, is the most original.

        I think so. good
        1. Fin
          Fin 26 September 2015 17: 24 New
          0
          Go to Kassad, he already figured out http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2403830.html
    3. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 26 September 2015 08: 42 New
      0
      Maybe photoshop?
    4. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2015 09: 32 New
      -12
      Quote: Rostovchanin
      Guys now on Twitter at Sharansky saw Motorola in uniform with Syrian insignia, and in the video. Please comment. For example, I won’t understand what it is for.
      https://twitter.com/LevSharansky

      This coward escaped, and a video like he is in Syria.
      Just believe me, there are no broadleaf trees on the BV.
      The forest is not ours laughing
      Yes, and dressed belay , we have already had 1.5 months of terrible heat (In Syria the same thing), Motorola has been shed from a month ago, those. video can only be a week and a half ago. , I would like to see a broad-leaved green forest on the BV and Motorolla will not be impeded from the heat practically in a sweatshirt laughing
      1. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 26 September 2015 10: 05 New
        +5
        “This coward has escaped” -You, I look at the most informed person on VO. The fact that he is not in Syria is already understandable, but the rest of the allegations are doubtful.
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2015 10: 19 New
          -7
          Quote: Tupolev-95
          “This coward has escaped” -You, I look at the most informed person on VO. The fact that he is not in Syria is already understandable, but the rest of the allegations are doubtful.

          Doubtful of what? What is he not in New Russia?
          So it is mine, and even the blind to the touch sees.
          What a coward, well, maybe I went too far, but I escaped and this video was made for the sole purpose - such as rehab laughing . Make a conclusion.
          1. tupolev-95
            tupolev-95 26 September 2015 10: 40 New
            +3
            I don’t remember us switching to “you”. And what will you write when the Motorola reappears in the Donbass? "This coward escaped from Russia"? While there are no global military events, maybe he left for a while.
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2015 11: 14 New
              -2
              Quote: Tupolev-95
              I don’t remember us switching to “you”

              It's over the park, YOU hi
              Quote: Tupolev-95
              And what will you write when the Motorola reappears in the Donbass? "

              That's when it is announced - then we'll talk
              Quote: Tupolev-95
              "This coward escaped from Russia"?

              Generally to Russia.
              Quote: Tupolev-95
              While there are no global military events, maybe he left for a while.

              wink . Well, like Shooters. Bearded. Babai, etc. etc. - There is nothing to do in the DPR laughing
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 September 2015 11: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Tupolev-95
          . The fact that he is not in Syria is already understandable, but the rest of the allegations are doubtful.

          He pulled to Russia
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        1. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2015 11: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: PENZYAC
          You yourself are a sofa coward ..

          Yes, like everyone here. therefore, I knock on the clave from Haifa, and not from Donetsk or Damascus laughing
          1. dali
            dali 27 September 2015 02: 23 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Yes, like everyone here. therefore, I knock on the clave from Haifa, and not from Donetsk or Damascus


            On their own people are not judged ... laughing
  • B- 3ACADE
    B- 3ACADE 26 September 2015 05: 35 New
    +7
    Newborn Spiritual Patriotism hero the infant of Great Russia -
    Grips in the hands of two snakes of neo-fascism and terror.
    - Enough is enough. Yes it’s hard. But strangled or someone doesn’t believe ???
  • sl22277
    sl22277 26 September 2015 05: 36 New