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Harry Potter School: the best spells for GDP growth

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The other day in the newspaper Kommersant There was a material devoted to the meeting in Novo-Ogaryovo on budget quotes. The central theme of the material was the initiative of the Ministry of Economic Development in the person of Alexei Ulyukayev about the withdrawal of the Russian economy to sustainable growth already in 2016. The Ministry of Economic Development believes that the policy of strengthening the national currency should lead to an increase in Russia's GDP.


Harry Potter School: the best spells for GDP growth


If the ruble is given the opportunity to raise the bar of its course against the dollar and the euro, then in 2016, the economy, according to the Ministry of Economic Development, will grow by 2,4%, in 2017 - by 3,3%, and by 2018 will accelerate to 4,4% growth. At the same time, again, according to the estimates of the department of Ulyukayev, investments will also grow. It is they who should give impetus to the Russian economy. “Plans” for investments for the period 2016-2018. The MER “distributes” in the following way: plus 4,3% in 2016, plus 7,1% in 2017, and plus 8,7% in 2018.

What are the arguments in favor of increasing the volume of investments offered by Ulyukayev? It turns out that now investors do not want to actively invest in projects in Russia, because, you see, they are concerned about the low rate of the Russian currency (for some reason, the relatively low rate, for example, of the Japanese currency does not frighten investors). But as soon as the ruble starts to grow, these most “anxious” investors will trooply run to transfer funds to accounts serving Russian projects, and the economy will go up, up and up again ...

The proposal of the Ministry of Economic Development is certainly interesting. It is so interesting that it pushes the question: if the “expensive” ruble is almost the only tool for attracting investments, according to the ministry, then why has the ministry been silent about it all this year? .. The ruble has been devalued more than twice as much against the background of a sharp decline in oil prices, but only such a process in the same economic “segment” of the government all this time has been declared positive. They say that the ruble mass of revenues to the budget has even grown; there is an opportunity (at least) to fulfill the basic social obligations in the presence of an obvious economic crisis (and not only in Russia).

Moreover, for the “correctly dropped” ruble and for, it seems, the preservation of the main potentials of the economy without simultaneously launching the process of “economic Ukrainization”, the head of the Bank of Russia was even awarded by foreign comrades, recognizing the best in the world. Did Minister Ulyukaev decide with his proposal on the need to strengthen the ruble to call into question the primacy of Elvira Sakhipzadovna?

So, back to the initiative of the Ministry of Economic Development. According to this initiative regarding the so-called target scenario, the ruble should increase by 2016% in 2, 2017% in 5,3, and 2018% in 4,8. That is, in the 2018, the dollar will be (well, the MER wants so much) to give somewhere around the 58,3 ruble. It turns out that everything is a matter of business ... - to back up a dollar for seven, and the Russian economy will rush into growth. Everything is so simple. In general, it’s strange that until now no one from the notorious economic segment of the government thought ... No one, except experts from the Ministry of Economic Development, who over the past year due to a number of external and internal factors have lost the objectivity of most of its name - the ministry seems to be like that and there is no economic development ... Of course, willy-nilly you start to think out ways out of the situation on the basis of numbers taken from the ceiling.

Although, why, actually, from the ceiling? Perhaps, Alexey Valentinovich, together with his subordinates, really found the “golden section” of the Russian economy and derived a formula with the presence of (for any) triple integrals and Laplace operators in spherical coordinates to determine the effective exchange rate of the Russian ruble ... If so, then for the Ministry of Economic Development and its the manual could be glad. But for some reason plagued by vague doubts. Firstly, because in order to grow the Russian economy and attract investments, it is proposed not to follow the path of production development with specific data on what, where and in what volumes it is necessary to build and launch in terms of production capacity. Secondly, because this is not the first forecast of Mr. Ulyukaev’s ministry, and this forecast has few chances, considering that none of the previous ones has come true ... I remember that the 2014 forecast was adjusted the 5-6 times, starting with 3,3% growth GDP, then lowering the bar to 2,2%, then to 1,5%, and completing the “accurate” forecast in 0,3%. Moreover, it is important that the appearance of such an accurate forecast in 0,3% of GDP growth and 0,3 itself almost coincided with the total growth over time ... Well, this is like weather forecasting for the next 10-15 minutes.

There is one more small idea from the MER, which was mentioned in Novo-Ogaryovo, and which should also be mentioned. It lies in the fact that the Russians have to cut costs. The idea outlined the Deputy Minister of Economic Development Alexei Vedev:

Improving the efficiency of the economy on the basis of stimulating investment demand by reducing current consumption.


The idea is also brilliant ... That is, for the development of the economy, you don’t need to work more and more efficiently and, accordingly, earn more, don’t bother about opening new jobs, stimulating entrepreneurship and domestic demand, but you need to “just” tighten the belts. .. Just a little bit: at the level of 0,1% -3,3% in 2016-2018. Eat less, use less gas, electricity, gasoline, turn on the water less often, speak more quietly, blink less often - save your calories, and you will receive foreign investment, and lower inflation, and in general - economic manna ...

Honestly, after such proposals of our leading economists, you start to think: if these are the leading ones, then who then, for the most part, graduate from our economic universities? Well, you need to manage to learn 5-6 for years to come to the conclusion that reducing consumption by the population will lead to a decrease in inflation ... For any Nobel Prize in economics - no other way ...

Sorry, but Russia definitely doesn’t have any other ways besides the artificial repulsion of the ruble and the “tightening of the belts”? ..
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  1. Name
    Name 25 September 2015 06: 15 New
    29
    Tired of Ulyukaev, that Siluanov, sleeping and seeing how ordinary people to rob. It’s not enough for more mind ... Whether there is generally no gray matter in the skull ... But for some reason, it inspires influence agents, but ...
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 25 September 2015 06: 18 New
      -58
      It is necessary to raise the retirement age. And not gradually, but right away. The people should work, especially now.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 25 September 2015 06: 27 New
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        Quote: mirag2
        It is necessary to raise the retirement age. And not gradually, but right away. The people should work, especially now.

        who does not give? if you want the strength, go work, and if you’ve already "accumulated" what, crawl to the cemetery? request
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 25 September 2015 10: 43 New
          -23
          already "turned out" what, crawling to the cemetery?
          - Why in the cemetery? - Retirement. Or do you mean that if you’ve "worked out" by the age of 60? - Is that how, in the sense there is no health? If a man at 60 years old has no strength and health, then he or the wrong way life was led (GUILTY!), or acquired diseases, and we have medicine for that. Just don’t say that it’s bad, it’s what we ourselves have grown.
          Patriots, patriots ... And how to work, so immediately to the liberals "addicted"? laughing
          Here are how many lazy people ... And we’re talking about the “quality of Russian goods” ...- Where can quality come from if a person works through a stump deck and wants to take it off from work and retire at the computer in the comments to “patriotize”?
          ps About the "have a computer patriot" -not to you,Andrey Yuryevich specifically, do not accept at your own expense, in any case.
          1. Hon
            Hon 25 September 2015 13: 54 New
            +9
            Quote: mirag2
            - Why in the cemetery? - Retirement. Or do you mean that if you’ve "worked out" by the age of 60? - Is that how, in the sense there is no health? If a man at 60 years old has no strength and health, then he or the wrong way life was led (GUILTY!), or acquired diseases, and we have medicine for that. Just don’t say that it’s bad, it’s what we ourselves have grown.
            Patriots, patriots ... And how to work, so immediately to the liberals "addicted"?
            Here are how many lazy people ... And we’re talking about the “quality of Russian goods” ...- Where can quality come from if a person works through a stump deck and wants to take it off from work and retire at the computer in the comments to “patriotize”?
            ps about the "have a computer patriotism" -not to you, Andrei Yuryevich specifically, do not take it personally, in any case.

            according to my observations, the most able-bodied people after 60 are lawyers of my profession, and of similar professions like economists, as well as all kinds of university professors, philologists, and other representatives of intellectual labor. honestly, I’ll probably be able to sit in the office up to eighty and run around the courts. but at the machine after 60 it’s harder to stand, and for what? for a good salary. Do you have it? for what work? for the sake of the state. But is it worth it?
            so that the next minister-official could afford a million-dollar watch, a yacht the size of an aircraft carrier and a palace somewhere in Europe? it turns out for the sake of this.
            "labor ennobles a person and enriches the employer"
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 25 September 2015 20: 05 New
              +1
              All specialists after 60 may be helpful.

              But the problem is this. Any attempt to estimate the cost of labor rests on the problem of constantly reducing the agreed amount. And from here misunderstandings and labor conflicts.

              And the beginning is laid in the banking system. Even capitalism, by its nature, is not so effective in competition aimed at depreciating labor and lowering incomes.
            2. atalef
              atalef 25 September 2015 22: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: Hon
              according to my observations, the most efficient people after 60 are people of my profession, lawyers, and of similar professions

              Deputies, presidential administration officials, Gazprom top managers, etc.
          2. Awaz
            Awaz 25 September 2015 15: 25 New
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            after 45 they don’t take anywhere to work ... actually .. The quality of work directly depends on the workers in the last turn. The same people, getting, for example, to Europe work in no way worse than the natives.
            So there you go. In addition, having experience working both abroad and with foreigners, I can say that Russian hard workers are much better and are able to work smarter and more efficiently and faster even than foreigners. The whole problem we have in the lousy organization of production. But this is a completely different story. All of our modern managers are trained in Western patterns and can only do stupid things and also help the client, trying as much as possible to save on everything.
            1. Kos_kalinki9
              Kos_kalinki9 25 September 2015 18: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: AwaZ
              after 45 they don’t take anywhere to work ... actually .. The quality of work directly depends on the workers in the last turn.

              57. A month ago, he wrote a statement for calculation, they asked for more work.
              1. Awaz
                Awaz 26 September 2015 00: 34 New
                +2
                I am almost 50, I am the oldest employee of those who work on the assembly line, in addition I am one of not many who have a salary of more than a thousand euros per month, even in the current situation. Unfortunately this is an exception. If I go for a raise (and they offer it every month) I’ll lose half my salary .... So I can work hard for now,
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 25 September 2015 20: 20 New
              +2
              Awaz

              You know, I'll tell you my next stupid thing.

              Do you know who is the biggest criminal under capitalism?

              Altruist.

              Because if your work is not standardized, they ask you, and you do. So you work partly and often for free. But it’s also difficult to refuse, because there is competition in the labor market.
              1. Awaz
                Awaz 26 September 2015 00: 34 New
                0
                I completely agree . So what to do
          3. atalef
            atalef 25 September 2015 22: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: mirag2
            . Or do you mean that if already by the age of 60 "have worked out"?

            Yes, you know, I worked it out, and paid taxes and has the right to a well-deserved rest
            Quote: mirag2
            If a man at 60 years old has no strength and health, then he or the wrong way of life led (MYSELF guilty!),

            What is to blame?
            What health did not preserve? So is this his personal problem, or are you going to treat him with his work?
            Quote: mirag2
            and we have medicine for this

            wink
            Quote: mirag2
            Patriots, patriots ... And how to work, so immediately to the liberals "addicted"?

            so let's generally cancel? Soon you will write all pensioners as enemies of the country.
            But they don’t work - they get the money, and even they need to be treated - maybe it’s better to shoot them right away?
            Quote: mirag2
            Here are how many lazy people ... And we’re talking about the “quality of Russian goods” ...- Where can quality come from if a person works through a stump deck and wants to take it off from work and retire at the computer in the comments to “patriotize”?

            Yes, not childishly sausage for you
        2. ZU-23
          ZU-23 25 September 2015 12: 23 New
          -3
          Young people do not work, a lot of majors, nariks and gadgets who sit in huts and their parents are hucksters, so they decided that those who worked let them work until the grave. Urgently an article for parasitism and 200 out of 100 pensioners will come out to work
        3. The comment was deleted.
        4. atalef
          atalef 25 September 2015 22: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: mirag2
          It is necessary to raise the retirement age. And not gradually, but right away. The people should work, especially now.

          who does not give? if you want the strength, go work, and if you’ve already "accumulated" what, crawl to the cemetery? request

          And he does not want to work alone, he needs friends. wink
      2. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 25 September 2015 06: 35 New
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        Quote: mirag2
        It is necessary to raise the retirement age. And not gradually, but right away. The people should work, especially now.

        127 Bolivia 66.25 63.5 69
        128 Guyana 66.25 63.5 69
        129 Russia 66.05 59.1 73


        Source: Average life expectancy in Russia and the world in 2014, bs-life.ru

        I don’t even want to write anything. 1 column - total
        2 column - men, 3 column - women
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 25 September 2015 06: 45 New
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          When my wife takes me to the supermarket as a draft force for groceries, at once all the spells of our economists and GDP cease to work ... I immediately cease to rejoice and the victories in Syria which still do not exist and Krymnash, etc., gradually hate the government as in 90- e they stsuki there, and we are here ..
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 25 September 2015 07: 02 New
            +5
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            When my wife takes me to the supermarket as a draft force

            1. Never go shopping with my wife. This greatly saves both time and money.
            2. Move to the village, there are no supermarkets laughing
            1. Mart
              Mart 25 September 2015 08: 20 New
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              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              2. Move to the village, there are no supermarkets

              I live in the village, Sasha. Has long been. In three villages, lived with 2009. Prices in local small shops on average 25-30% higher than in urban supermarkets. It cannot be otherwise: small wholesale products are purchased. At the same time, wholesale traders often drag products to the village on the verge of overdue. Internet in the countryside from the wonderful Rostelecom also costs more: in the nearest town - 199 rubles / month, in the village - 500 rubles. Quite a monopoly pricing.
              1. anip
                anip 25 September 2015 08: 38 New
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                Quote: Mart
                I live in the village, Sasha. Has long been. He has lived in three villages since 2009. Prices in local small shops are on average 25-30% higher than in city supermarkets.

                That's right. In villages, prices for food and goods are higher. People in gardens and forests live more and more.
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 25 September 2015 20: 31 New
                  0
                  anip

                  So the paradox turned out. Capitalism depreciated labor force driven into the countryside on subsistence farming.

                  Well, where is the progress?

                  Capitalism with a competitive decline in income killed its progenitor, the user.
              2. Tambov Wolf
                Tambov Wolf 25 September 2015 12: 01 New
                -1
                How is 199 rubles per month? We have 650 in our city, Rostelecom, ADSL ++ 14 Mbit, actually 6-9 Mbit. Unlimited tariff.
                1. Mart
                  Mart 25 September 2015 12: 50 New
                  0
                  Quote: Tambov Wolf
                  How does 199 rub per month?


                  Source.
                  1. Tambov Wolf
                    Tambov Wolf 25 September 2015 22: 06 New
                    0
                    I was simply surprised at such rates. Why then do we have such rates?
              3. atalef
                atalef 25 September 2015 22: 49 New
                +4
                Quote: Mart
                At the same time, wholesalers often drag products into the village on the verge of "delay". Internet in the village from the wonderful Rostelecom is also more expensive: in the nearest town - 199 rubles per month, in the village - 500 rubles. It’s completely monopoly pricing.

                Hey . Oleg
                Well, some will conclude that the well-being of the villagers is many times higher than in the city - just pay laughing
                Here I was one arguing (already forgotten by someone) that if they buy on credit. then there is money. otherwise they would not overpay. hi
            2. anip
              anip 25 September 2015 08: 37 New
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              1. Never go shopping with my wife. This greatly saves both time and money.

              If you go on food, then this does not save anything, you will not eat more than what is necessary for the body.
              1. mirag2
                mirag2 25 September 2015 11: 54 New
                +2
                does not save, more than you need for the body - do not eat.
                -You don’t eat. But to buy more than you need is easy.
              2. liuk gud
                liuk gud 26 September 2015 20: 45 New
                0
                even as you eat. Therefore so many fat people
            3. VEKT
              VEKT 25 September 2015 08: 54 New
              22
              2. Move to the village, there are no supermarkets laughing

              And there’s a lot of things there, for example, there is no gas in my room, there is wood heating, in winter there is still no road, the nearest hospital in the regional center is 15 km, it takes 3 kilometers to get to the train, and they were reduced. It’s called live, don’t refuse anything to yourself.
              1. Kos_kalinki9
                Kos_kalinki9 25 September 2015 18: 53 New
                0
                Quote: VEKT
                2. Move to the village, there are no supermarkets laughing

                And there’s a lot of things there, for example, there is no gas in my room, there is wood heating, in winter there is still no road, the nearest hospital in the regional center is 15 km, it takes 3 kilometers to get to the train, and they were reduced. It’s called live, don’t refuse anything to yourself.

                Great is the country of Russia ...... (s)
          2. anfil
            anfil 25 September 2015 08: 20 New
            +2
            You gave a good example: ... as a TAX force takes me to a SUPERMARKET ...but your wife would go "better" alone with a small handbag and not in a super market.
            1. Hon
              Hon 25 September 2015 14: 08 New
              +2
              Quote: anfil
              You gave a good example: ... as a TAX force takes me to a SUPERMARKET ... but if your wife would live "better", you would go alone with a small handbag and not to a super market.

              It’s more profitable to buy immediately for a week or a month, large packages, cereals, powders and other things are more profitable than buying per kilogram
          3. Altona
            Altona 25 September 2015 08: 56 New
            16
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            When my wife takes me to the supermarket as a draft force for groceries, at once all the spells of our economists and GDP cease to work ... I immediately cease to rejoice and the victories in Syria which still do not exist and Krymnash, etc., gradually hate the government as in 90- e they stsuki there, and we are here ..

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            There is practically no connection between Syria, Krymnash and the decline in the economy, sanctions affect, but not on such a scale as shouting from above ... They shout because they literally squeezed golden testicles ... The decline in the economy is associated with expensive credit and lack of attention to the real sector ... We, 20 years ago, in many respects provided for ourselves ...
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 25 September 2015 09: 49 New
              +3
              Syria and Krymnash are a distraction for us from the internal problems of the country and an awkward situation in the economy, while the inertia of prosperous years persists but soon it will completely stop .. here they are trying to brain us ... I personally do not need Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, etc. Although a person is always more interested in what’s in his refrigerator (simplified) than in the ice of the Arctic ..
              1. Altona
                Altona 25 September 2015 09: 55 New
                +7
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                Syria and Krymnash are a distraction for us from the internal problems of the country and an awkward situation in the economy, while the inertia of prosperous years persists but soon it will completely stop .. here they are trying to brain us ... I personally do not need Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, etc. Although a person is always more interested in what’s in his refrigerator (simplified) than in the ice of the Arctic ..

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                Personally, they do not distract me from the "problems of the country", I am sincerely surprised by the stupid economic initiatives of Ulyukaev-Siluanov-Nabiulinna ... And Crimea and Syria are not such a weight as you think, Crimea is also a self-sufficient region and investments in it will pay off ... And in Syria we just started to do something, although we had to do it yesterday ...
              2. mirag2
                mirag2 25 September 2015 11: 44 New
                -11
                Syria and Krymnash are distractions from the internal problems of the country and the situation in the economy
                - But didn’t you think that the internal problems and the terrible state of the economy are the consequences of Krymnash, and not vice versa?
                1. Altona
                  Altona 25 September 2015 15: 00 New
                  +3
                  Quote: mirag2
                  - But didn’t you think that the internal problems and the terrible state of the economy are the consequences of Krymnash, and not vice versa?

                  -------------------------
                  You don’t look retrospectively ... See the 2008-2009 crisis ... Oil also crashed to $ 40, the dollar grew from just 23 to 33 rubles, but nothing else happened ... By the way, the government immediately increased and indexed many payments, threw back to the bankers 150 lard greens, which they immediately hijacked into offshore, and not into the real sector ... We still wanted to redeem the Adam Opel AG auto giant from the Germans by Sberbank, and they did not sell it to us .. . What is this no matter how sanctions? These were veiled sanctions in their pure form ... You think narrowly and do not remember recent events ...
              3. Robinzon57
                Robinzon57 25 September 2015 12: 48 New
                +3
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                I personally do not need Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, etc. Although a person is always more interested in what’s in his refrigerator (simplified) than in the ice of the Arctic ..

                Just arranged: slept, ate, outhouse. And the Crimea and Syria are needed and the Arctic, if we want to develop. Another thing is that the mediocre government (or malicious, I suspect) leads us to the Crimea-not-ours, Siberia-yours, the Caucasus-not ours. I completely agree with the author - such "dreamers" are not able to fix things. No one disputes that the refrigerator is important, but it is necessary to think about the future, and if someone does not include US Golden Billion, we should explain to them in plain language that they are wrong. And to make the words sound more convincing, you should quickly give a kick to the company of "illusionists" led by DAM. With respect.... hi
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 25 September 2015 20: 36 New
                  0
                  Robinson 57

                  You rolled your lip here. Most likely, the "golden billion" will exclude itself than include someone.

                  The system itself resets itself.
                  1. Robinzon57
                    Robinzon57 26 September 2015 14: 36 New
                    0
                    Quote: gladcu2
                    gladcu2 (1)

                    "We cannot wait for favors from nature, to take them from her is our task!"
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 25 September 2015 13: 36 New
              +2
              I look at the photo-muzzle in the article, and for some reason, mentally mechanically aim ...
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 25 September 2015 20: 39 New
                0
                Sling cutter

                Duck and who is there? I don't know how to call this face-face.

                You do not exchange for trifles. If it works so well.
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 25 September 2015 22: 15 New
                  0
                  Sling cutter

                  Just don’t think that this business is useful. These faces are like flies on glass. Not this face, so another will be. It’s all the same to crush these flies that they are picking their nose.
            3. atalef
              atalef 25 September 2015 22: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: Altona
              There is practically no connection between Syria, Krymnash and the decline in the economy,

              Well Syria has not yet begun. Well, our connection with Crimea is obvious
              Quote: Altona
              sanctions affect, but not on such a scale as shouting from above

              So does sanction affect? But you speak with Crimea, our connection is not.
              Look at economic indicators
              Quote: Altona
              The decline in the economy is associated with expensive credit and a lack of attention to the real sector.

              And the loan is expensive, from where 7 But the real sector can not develop why?

              Quote: Altona
              .We, 20 years ago, in many positions, we provided for ourselves ...

              What exactly ?
        2. Hellraiser
          Hellraiser 25 September 2015 09: 03 New
          +1
          We need stability without any inflation. And then GDP will go up. request
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 25 September 2015 09: 52 New
            +9
            there were 15 years of stability and relatively small inflation - did GDP grow much? Something quickly hushed up Putin's dreams of 10 percent a year .. without developing their industry on the same gas and oil, they did not export it, or rather they exported it only to offshore ... fellow
            1. Hellraiser
              Hellraiser 25 September 2015 12: 49 New
              +2
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              there were 15 years of stability and relatively small inflation - did GDP grow much? Something quickly hushed up Putin's dreams of 10 percent a year .. without developing their industry on the same gas and oil, they did not export it, or rather they exported it only to offshore ... fellow


              It’s certainly not better for anyone when inflation is 50-60%, but the fact that it’s closing for this company probably for the Gross Product is good. And that people now buy only food and so on trifles. This, of course, also works on the rise. crying
          2. Ugrumiy
            Ugrumiy 25 September 2015 11: 50 New
            +1
            GDP has a good percentage, and even if stability is without inflation, then in general ... it will be possible to choose GDP in kings wink laughing
          3. Robinzon57
            Robinzon57 25 September 2015 12: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Hellraiser
            We need stability without any inflation. And then GDP will go up.

            GDP - 62 years, it has already grown completely. He needs to look back at the economy lol
      3. BMW
        BMW 25 September 2015 06: 36 New
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        Quote: mirag2
        It is necessary to raise the retirement age. And not gradually, but right away. The people should work, especially now.


        So much for personal improvement. In the office to sit, only hemorrhoids can be earned, or the curvature of the spine.
        In production, it’s hard and many forty already have sores.
        You are an enemy for ordinary people. Who can, and that works. And people who must die at work.
        Capitalism is slavery.
        Medicine is dying, education too. We are turning into a colony and an appendage of the West.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 September 2015 07: 03 New
          -17
          Quote: bmw
          Medicine is dying, education too. We are turning into a colony and an appendage of the West.

          Oh, return the 90s, early 2000s, here it was grace.
          1. BMW
            BMW 25 September 2015 07: 21 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            here she was grace.


            And right now the oil is pouring from the sky?
            1. Medicine is completely paid, if you go to a free hospital, you sign a piece of paper about the cost of services, or you receive a certificate of value. In addition, this free medicine has become simply awful.
            2. Education is being transferred to paid rails, quietly, it is simply being forced.
            3. There is less and less work (normal in production), but the fact that it is built just crumbs.
            We cannot even master one global construction project normally. Industrialization with GDP is impossible in principle.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 25 September 2015 07: 26 New
              -13
              Quote: bmw

              And right now the oil is pouring from the sky?

              Compared to that time, yes. It’s just that many people forget how they lived before.
              Quote: bmw
              1. Medicine is paid completely absolutely, if you go to a free hospital, then sign a piece of paper about the cost of services, or you will receive a certificate of cost

              Yes, with hell, it all depends on the type of service.
              Quote: bmw
              In addition, this free medicine has become simply awful.

              It’s a paradox, but I received the best help from a doctor who did not take money from me. This was not long ago.
              Quote: bmw
              2. Education is being transferred to paid rails, quietly, it is simply being forced.

              Yes, schools will be paid, still come up with.
              Quote: bmw
              3. Less and less work (normal in production),

              He who wants to work will find work.
              Quote: bmw
              We cannot even master one global construction project normally. Industrialization with GDP is impossible in principle.

              graduated polymer
              1. anip
                anip 25 September 2015 08: 42 New
                23
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Compared to that time, yes. It’s just that many people forget how they lived before.

                But I remember how they lived in the USSR. And yes, why compare with the worst, what kind of manner is this? Let's compare with the best.

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                He who wants to work will find work.

                Yes, yes, yes, said the man, who got a job on a sinecure to doom.

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                graduated polymer

                Yes it is. What is a heavy construction site? Pipes and everything near them - by, this is the development of the banana (raw) republic.
                1. asiat_61
                  asiat_61 25 September 2015 09: 49 New
                  +3
                  Under the USSR, S. farm was compared with 1913. It was the best year in terms of indicators, so we need to compare not with the worst, but with the best. It would be strange that we would not strive for the best.
                  1. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 25 September 2015 11: 42 New
                    +7
                    Quote: asiat_61
                    Under the USSR, S. farm was compared with 1913. It was the best year in terms of indicators, so you need to compare not with the worst, but with the best
                    And it’s impossible with the best lol

                    8 years of a gigantic fall in industrial production of the period 1914-1921 to the level of 1913 were played over 8 years of the period 1922-1929, after which real, not restoration, growth began.



                    So far, 8 years of industrial production fall of the period 1992-1998 to the level of 1991 have not been won back - 17 years have passed, and recovery growth has not been completed, and the industrial production level is 90% to the level of 1991.



                    Who will compare you with the best in such situations? laughing
              2. anip
                anip 25 September 2015 08: 50 New
                13
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                He who wants to work will find work.

                And where can you find it if, with your pet, the guarantor in our city of factories with five or six collapsed? And among these factories were defense-space.
                1. mirag2
                  mirag2 25 September 2015 11: 31 New
                  -6
                  Come on, "USSR, USSR" ...- and then whose wheat did we eat? Why were there all posters in all the canteens and bakeries: "Every crumb in your hand", "Bread is the head of everything" - someone cared about the severity of the work of the farmer ? I myself saw how these grain growers worked (well, maybe not all), and these posters were hanging BECAUSE WHEAT WHEAT (which was fed to pigs in the villages) -SSSR bought for gold (currency) in the West.
                  And now we sell it ourselves.
                  1. Foul skeptic
                    Foul skeptic 25 September 2015 12: 50 New
                    +8
                    Whose ate? They ate their own.
                    Why were the posters? Because from childhood, normal qualities were instilled in a person.
                  2. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 25 September 2015 13: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: mirag2
                    and who did we eat wheat then? Why were there all posters in all the canteens and bakeries: “Every crumb in your hand”, “Bread is the head of everything” - did someone care about the severity of the work of the farmer? I myself saw how these farmers worked (well, maybe and not all so) -a these posters hung BECAUSE WHEAT WHEAT (which was fed pigs in the villages) -SSSR bought for GOLD (CURRENCY) in the WEST.
                    And now we sell it ourselves.
                    wassat
                    1. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 25 September 2015 22: 26 New
                      0
                      Uncle Joe

                      What is on your poster? Nothing is visible.

                      The fact that the socialist system is WORSE worse than the capitalist one, only a fresh vegetable will affirm.

                      Socialism, the following, tested in practice in the USSR, by Comrade I. Stalin, is the best system for organizing society.

                      But I hope you do not call for a world revolution. Here half measures can not do.

                      Here you are not there. Here a different approach needs to be sought. Reset the system at the expense of 300 million human lives?

                      A Huhu is not hoho?

                      Hwa people’s brains to powder. In other words. Stop rioting provoke. People already understand everything without you.
                      1. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 26 September 2015 12: 03 New
                        0
                        Quote: gladcu2
                        What is on your poster? Nothing is visible
                        I don’t even know what to tell you about this ... request

                        I click on the picture - it increases and I can see everything. Then I go down to the lower right side of the picture, click on the "enlarge to full size" rectangle, and what is already visible becomes perfectly visible.

                        But I hope you do not call for a world revolution
                        I urge, since only the destruction of capitalism and the transition to socialist relations on a global scale (that is, the world socialist revolution) can put an end to economic crises and wars.
                        Until then, capitalist countries will not simply be left alone by any socialist state.

                        Reset the system at the expense of 300 million human lives?
                  3. Robinzon57
                    Robinzon57 25 September 2015 13: 50 New
                    +5
                    Quote: mirag2
                    Come on, "USSR, USSR" ...- and then whose wheat did we eat? Why were there all posters in all the canteens and bakeries: "Every crumb in your hand", "Bread is the head of everything" - someone cared about the severity of the work of the farmer ? I myself saw how these grain growers worked (well, maybe not all), and these posters were hanging BECAUSE WHEAT WHEAT (which was fed to pigs in the villages) -SSSR bought for gold (currency) in the West.
                    And now we sell it ourselves.

                    It's funny I will tell you. If you were very young during the USSR period, then the liberalists misled you. If not, then you intentionally distort the facts, being their guide. During the last five-year period - 1986-1990, the average grain harvest in the USSR was 224 million tons of grain - per 270 million people i.e. 830 kg per person;
                    In the five-year period 2010-2014, the average grain harvest amounted to 87 million tons - per 145 million people i.e. 600 kg per person. AS YOU SEE, the efficiency of grain production in Russia is 72% of production in the USSR. And grain export now is the export of raw materials for meat production, which the USSR produced itself, and Russia imports. fool
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                  5. vladim.gorbunow
                    vladim.gorbunow 25 September 2015 21: 16 New
                    +1
                    Selling Russian wheat has always been a matter of dire need, or a crime. Sign of trouble. Yes, and the sale of gas, when many Russian territories are not gasified, smells bad.
                  6. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 25 September 2015 22: 20 New
                    +1
                    mirag2

                    So the USSR bought feed wheat. And he sold food. Such was the integration in the global economy. Did you not say that?

                    Well, you see, it means that the Liberians were not in vain hanging noodles on their ears.

                    Enough to be naive.
              3. IS-80
                IS-80 25 September 2015 09: 33 New
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                It’s a paradox, but I received the best help from a doctor who did not take money from me. This was not long ago.

                And what does this prove? Well, besides the fact that in your particular case you were lucky and you were provided with quality medical care for free. I can give examples of the opposite.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yes, schools will be paid, still come up with.

                And why not?
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                He who wants to work will find work.

                For the food.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                graduated polymer

                Not all. There are too many polymers in this ineffective socialism in stock.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 25 September 2015 09: 40 New
                  +2
                  Quote: IS-80
                  I can give examples of the opposite.

                  Can you bring
                  Quote: IS-80
                  And why not?

                  Wiggle
                  Quote: IS-80
                  For the food.

                  Yeah, make you work for food.
                  Quote: IS-80
                  There are too many polymers in this ineffective socialism in stock.

                  Everything that was under socialism has long sunk into oblivion. And especially the gold reserve
                  1. IS-80
                    IS-80 25 September 2015 09: 50 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Can you bring

                    My father was misdiagnosed. And there were little things there.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Wiggle

                    ARGUMENTISM.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yeah, make you work for food.

                    No, well, in principle, you can live on unemployment benefits. Although probably live - it is said loudly.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Everything that was under socialism has long sunk into oblivion. And especially the gold reserve

                    Yeah, tell me more tales.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 25 September 2015 09: 54 New
                      +2
                      Quote: IS-80
                      My father was misdiagnosed

                      Diagnosis error is a worldwide medical problem in general.
                      Quote: IS-80

                      ARGUMENTISM.

                      Yes, I’m fucked up from yourselves
                      Quote: IS-80

                      And why not?

                      wassat I repeat shaken.
                      Quote: IS-80
                      Yeah, tell me more tales.

                      Yes, I’m not going to talk to you at all anymore, even on the forehead, even on the forehead.
                      1. IS-80
                        IS-80 25 September 2015 10: 13 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Diagnosis error is a worldwide medical problem in general.

                        Why did you say that? Just to say something?
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes, I’m fucked up from yourselves

                        And where was the argument? It was a question. I just don’t understand why school cannot be paid?
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes, I’m not going to talk to you at all anymore, even on the forehead, even on the forehead.

                        And don't play my toys yet. So yes? smile
              4. mirag2
                mirag2 25 September 2015 11: 26 New
                0
                graduated polymer
                -strong!!!
              5. Hon
                Hon 25 September 2015 14: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Compared to that time, yes. It’s just that many people forget how they lived before.

                Well then, the barrel was worth $ 15, now if it’s going down just the same now, then it’s comparable whether it is better to live or worse.
              6. Lapotnik
                Lapotnik 25 September 2015 14: 20 New
                +5
                And why the hell are you comparing to 90s ??
                On what basis? Compare with the heyday of the USSR, it will be right. Compare not the RESULT but the ACTIONS leading to the result by periods!

                Whoever wants to find all your theses at the level of the empty troll. At this level, "whoever wants to find / do / still have something" there is nothing at all to go into state affairs and comment on anything.

                As for medicine and education - if even on television they are stably talking on the main channels (except the first one is clear) about the global decline in these areas, then how can this be denied?

                And your words about the best medical care recent - this is exactly what a paradox. NO RULE FOR SORRY.

                He worked for 8 years in the Department of Social Policy and Health, so why the hell is it to your comment. Again, try to find out why everything is paid. I will give a hint - all that is free is the MINIMUM standard, prescribed with a minimum of material and quality. In practice, in 90% of cases you will be assured, and you yourself will choose a paid service with better materials and an expanded range of treatments. You do not just want to be patched up, but you also need guarantees.
                And according to the standard, if everyone is treated, then polyclinics and hospitals will not pay off, and court cases of lack of assistance are also not needed, and this affects the salaries of doctors a lot - I'm not talking about bribes, I'm talking about official bonuses.

                prosrachetotamot ... I will say so. For even regarding construction projects, for your information, the lion's share of construction companies in the country are foreign offices. Turks, Finns, Yugoslavs and others. The worst thing is that everything they can do and teach us with a smart look, they were taught by our specialists in Soviet times. The "brain cycle in nature" sarcasm. pancake.

                If anything - I work in a fairly large St. Petersburg construction office, I have a clue about what I'm writing.

                IMPORTANT - EVERYONE remembers how they lived before. In 90. and precisely because they do not want to be in the same situation and require real non-bank and populist measures.
                And those who remember life until about the 80s, it is precisely in those times that they want it when the words communism, socialism, and the like were not abusive to the extent that they are now, and the social component of the state was the most powerful.

                So it’s easy to juggle with the concepts of “those times”, comparing only the situation, but not comparing the actions of those in power that led to them, as well as the country's resource provision, both potential and real, which could be used, but unfortunately left in certain directions .

                PS regarding import substitution - all manufacturers immediately said - this is a matter of at least five years, subject to state support. For livestock for 15 years or more (cattle, he reptile does not instantly grow). And this is subject to the injection of money with minimal interest and targeted. And unfortunately, the banking sector and immediate banking methods of influence on the economy prevail at our moment.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 25 September 2015 20: 22 New
                  +2
                  And Channel One, although it does not talk about bad medicine with us, nevertheless steadily asks for money to treat children from them.
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                  1. BMW
                    BMW 25 September 2015 15: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov

                    Yes, schools will be paid, still come up with.


                    I apologize for being rude, but they could just delete the word.
                    But education becomes paid, or rather forces teachers to work worse in order to earn extra money, and this is a direct path to full payment. Here is the ruling.
                    1. BMW
                      BMW 25 September 2015 15: 57 New
                      0
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov

                      Yes, schools will be paid, still come up with.


                      Here is the price tag.
              8. BMW
                BMW 25 September 2015 16: 06 New
                -1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                graduated polymer


                Arguably weak?
                You need to go to Khabarovsk and tell VO what happened with DALDIESEL, became one of the largest manufacturers of marine diesel engines in the USSR, and his daughter RENAL, who bent precisely with GDP.
            2. atalef
              atalef 25 September 2015 22: 53 New
              -2
              Quote: bmw
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              here she was grace.


              And right now the oil is pouring from the sky?
              1. Medicine is completely paid, if you go to a free hospital, you sign a piece of paper about the cost of services, or you receive a certificate of value. In addition, this free medicine has become simply awful.
              2. Education is being transferred to paid rails, quietly, it is simply being forced.
              3. There is less and less work (normal in production), but the fact that it is built just crumbs.
              We cannot even master one global construction project normally. Industrialization with GDP is impossible in principle.

              So what then did the GDP achieve?
              1. BMW
                BMW 26 September 2015 02: 45 New
                0
                Quote: atalef
                So what then did the GDP achieve?


                Grew power and an aligarchic business.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 26 September 2015 02: 55 New
                  +2
                  Quote: bmw
                  Grew power and an aligarchic business.

                  Oh really? belay

                  But does the term "seven-bankers" say nothing to you?
                  1. BMW
                    BMW 26 September 2015 06: 28 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    But does the term "seven-bankers" say nothing to you?


                    You still do not understand.
                    The formation of a local oligarchy, completely controlled by Moscow. There are, as it were, two authorities, state and aligarchic, closely intertwined, which allow controlling society.
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 26 September 2015 12: 14 New
                      0
                      Quote: bmw
                      There are, as it were, two authorities, state and aligarchic
                      Oligarchy - (Greek oligarсhia - from oligos - not numerous and arche - power), a regime in which политическая (state) power belongs to a narrow group of people (rich, military, etc.).
                      1. BMW
                        BMW 26 September 2015 15: 31 New
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Oligarchy -


                        So I’m talking about this to some comrades.
                        It was with GDP that the circle was closed, all power from the top to the very bottom became absolutely oligarchic.
                        Have the last elections not prompted you this thought? The last vestiges of democracy, in their basic sense, ceased to exist. Maybe I am not completely terminologically speaking correctly, but I think the essence should be clear.
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 27 September 2015 05: 23 New
                        0
                        Quote: bmw
                        The last vestiges of democracy, in their main sense, ceased to exist

                        - I do not quite understand about ".. in its main sense." What kind of "basic meaning of democracy" is this?
                        - Where did you see that democracy, except in the pictures? I personally haven’t had a chance, although it’s already 40 years since I received my passport ..
                        - "ceased to exist" - but what, was there democracy? Damn, I am an elk .. I missed that moment ..
                    2. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 27 September 2015 05: 19 New
                      0
                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      power belongs to a narrow group of people (rich, military, etc.).

                      ... Politburo of the Central Committee ... belay
        2. VEKT
          VEKT 25 September 2015 07: 31 New
          13
          Oh, return the 90s, early 2000s, here it was grace.

          In any incomprehensible situation, remember the 90s. The fact that with such management will be repeated soon 17th do not mention.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 25 September 2015 07: 41 New
            -9
            Quote: VEKT
            In any incomprehensible situation, remember the 90s.

            This is only for those who have something and with what to compare.
            Quote: VEKT
            . The fact that with such management will be repeated soon 17th do not mention.

            Fuck you!
            1. anip
              anip 25 September 2015 08: 44 New
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Fuck you!

              I won’t be surprised if Putin’s security officer, sir. They are paid nothing so that 17 years did not happen again.
              1. mirag2
                mirag2 25 September 2015 11: 36 New
                -1
                I won’t be surprised if Putin’s security officer, sir. They are paid nothing so that 17 years did not happen again.
                laughing laughing laughing
                Yes, even if it’s at least a hundred times a power man. I’ve been in power at the barricades in 91 g.
                And not somewhere on the periphery, but at the only checkpoint at the White House, and not where for 1.5 km where three goats were crushed by a tank.
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 25 September 2015 13: 19 New
                  +3
                  Quote: mirag2
                  I’ve been in power at the barricades in 91 g, I overthrew the Maza Faka, Yeltsin “heaved”
                  And since then you remain a true adherent of liberalism laughing

                  Putin: “Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, along with the new Russia, has gone through a difficult but necessary transformation. He has led the process of radical changes that have led Russia out of the impasse. Russia has received a rebirth. It has become a civilized open state, and the role of the first president in the formation of this state is huge.
                  It was at this time that Russia was born open and thinking about people, democratic institutions were formed, the Russian Constitution was adopted, which proclaimed the highest value of human rights and freedom. "
                  http://top.rbc.ru/society/01/02/2011/536637.shtml

                  Putin: “You see, we did not have any large-scale nationalization, nor a slide towards universal administrative regulation. We maintained the free movement of capital and convertibility of the ruble. I am sure that all this served as a convincing signal for investors, and I want to emphasize and say once again: a return there will be no past. Russia will remain a liberal market economy. Today I want to repeat once again: we will consistently continue the line of encouraging private initiative, integration into the world economy, and creating favorable investment climate. "
                  http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=317679
            2. VEKT
              VEKT 25 September 2015 08: 47 New
              +5
              Fuck you!

              Well, let’s see, in the article we are talking about the fact that the Minister of Economic Development is openly delirious, you are talking about the 90s. Could still remember about Ukraine.
            3. IS-80
              IS-80 25 September 2015 09: 16 New
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Fuck you!

              What contra, vibrated? laughing
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 25 September 2015 09: 18 New
                -5
                Quote: IS-80
                What contra, vibrated?

                Yes, I need that, you need to worry, along with all the red-boobed trash.
                1. IS-80
                  IS-80 25 September 2015 09: 38 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Yes, I need that, you need to worry, along with all the red-boobed trash.


                  What do we need? For us, historical inevitability. And sooner or later you will be washed away by a bloody wave, as always in history.
          2. anip
            anip 25 September 2015 08: 43 New
            +4
            Quote: VEKT
            In any incomprehensible situation, remember the 90s.

            And the Ura Putriots already have these memories as a mantra of steel. They like to compare everything with shit, and not with honey.
            1. 34 region
              34 region 25 September 2015 09: 15 New
              +4
              To each his own! So do not judge strictly. Some worms live in berries, others in shit.
            2. Name
              Name 25 September 2015 09: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: anip
              And the Ura Putriots already have these memories as a mantra of steel.

              For hurray patriots TIBE minus. Explain that this expression generally means "cheers-patriot"; if you can.
              1. VEKT
                VEKT 25 September 2015 09: 54 New
                15
                Let me clarify. Hurray patriots, we have those who think that now everything is just fine and it couldn’t be better, after the 90s we got off our knees, and now we will show Kuzkin’s mother to everyone, we are inferior to NATO in quantitative and qualitative indicators, do not give a damn The SPIRIT is right what, saw the stickers on the machines "Can we repeat 1941-1945"? The funny thing is that they are often glued by those who did not even serve in the army, what can they repeat? When asked why Vasilyev was released, but Serdyukov was not imprisoned, they also have an answer, this is a tricky plan, in fact, they acted personally at the direction of Putin, distracting the enemies. On fair remarks that in general, everything is not so good in the country, they will indicate to you that you are a liberal, an agent of the State Department and generally want to arrange a maidan. America will soon fall apart, the dollar will collapse, and we will bloom. Like this.
                1. Name
                  Name 25 September 2015 10: 23 New
                  +1
                  Quote: VEKT
                  Let me clarify. Hooray-patriots, we have those who think that now we just have everything fine

                  Hmmm, however:
                  Hooray - 1. Battle cry of troops during the attack. 2. An exclamation, a cry expressing collective enthusiastic approval.
                  Patriot - A person considered in relation to his belonging to his homeland, fatherland; usually with an additional assessment point: a zealot for the benefits of the fatherland, a faithful son of the fatherland.
                  And some bipeds who are so derogatory in their homeland, in their homeland ... whom they consider themselves ... recourse Probably the "bearers of an exceptional culture" from the Gayanglosaks. laughing
                2. mirag2
                  mirag2 25 September 2015 11: 41 New
                  0
                  those who think that now everything is just fine with us and it can't be better
                  What if I'm just an optimist in life?
              2. anip
                anip 25 September 2015 10: 18 New
                +4
                Quote: name
                For hurray patriots TIBE minus. Explain that this expression generally means "cheers-patriot"; if you can.

                About hurray-patriots already explained below. I will not repeat myself.
                And when you read (TE) you need to be a little more careful, I write hoo-Putriotov. Hurray Putriots are the same as Hurray patriots, they still tear their throats for the idol of their throats, no matter how much they mess up, the Hurray Putriots always have a good king, only something keeps bothering him all the time, and the boyars are bad, I’m silent about the slaves.
              3. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 25 September 2015 11: 56 New
                +6
                Quote: name
                that this expression in general means "cheers-patriot"; if you can.
                laughing

                Hooray-patriotism - Recklessly arrogant, baseless, boastful, false patriotism. (Ephraim's dictionary)
                1. Name
                  Name 26 September 2015 01: 18 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  Hooray-patriotism - Recklessly arrogant, baseless, boastful, false patriotism. (Ephraim's dictionary)

                  Then, refer to Ushakov’s dictionary, because Efremova “licked everything from there”). repeat
                  1. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 26 September 2015 12: 17 New
                    0
                    Quote: name
                    Efremova everything from there "licked
                    Ushakova is simply defined as false patriotism, so what and where Efremova licked remains a mystery.
            3. mirag2
              mirag2 25 September 2015 11: 39 New
              0
              I won’t be surprised if Putin’s security officer, sir. They are paid nothing so that 17 years did not happen again.
              For example, in the 90s I had nowhere to put money, but now compared to that time, I sank, but I will never agree to a 90s refund.
            4. Yars
              Yars 26 September 2015 00: 18 New
              0
              and what do you think about honey in this situation? Well, compare
          3. 34 region
            34 region 25 September 2015 09: 13 New
            +1
            And what is the moment of the 17th year? February? Where did the sale and collapse of Russia or October go when the country began to collect?
            1. VEKT
              VEKT 25 September 2015 09: 20 New
              +4
              And what is the moment of the 17th year? February? Where did the sale and collapse of Russia or October go when the country began to collect?
              First February, and only then it will depend on people.
          4. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 25 September 2015 10: 49 New
            +5
            Quote: VEKT
            In any incomprehensible situation, remember the 90s. The fact that with such management will be repeated soon 17th do not mention.
            I would add that with such oil prices, we will soon return to the early 2000s, then the price, I remind you, was $ 30 per barrel. So grace is on the nose already, if nothing is changed in the economy.
        3. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 25 September 2015 08: 38 New
          +1
          Sasha, in a year your grace will return with a little
        4. Hon
          Hon 25 September 2015 16: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Oh, return the 90s, early 2000s, here it was grace.

          it’s not yet evening, the barrel will be less than 20, and everything will return as it was. already the budget is bursting at the seams and the social network is being cut, but prices have fallen for less than a year, and the price is still the same as in the 90s, early 2000s we only dreamed of
      4. anfil
        anfil 25 September 2015 08: 22 New
        14
        First, we work to earn a pension, and then we work to live on it.
      5. anip
        anip 25 September 2015 08: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: bmw
        We are turning into a colony and an appendage of the West.

        Already turned into a fact.
    2. Homo
      Homo 25 September 2015 06: 41 New
      17
      Quote: mirag2
      The people should work, especially now.

      People may want to work, but the question is WHERE ??? Start to think about age, state of health, lack of ability to travel (shift) or move (permanently).
      1. 34 region
        34 region 25 September 2015 09: 23 New
        +8
        The work is as it were. There is no normal salary. Then comes the age qualification (old for work, young for retirement). Then a place of work, such as a shift method. Housing. In general, as Comrade Medvedev said: It is necessary to increase the mobility of the population (become homeless). Homeless - Without a Specific Residence.
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 25 September 2015 12: 00 New
          +9
          Quote: 34 region
          In general, as Comrade Medvedev said: It is necessary to increase the mobility of the population
        2. Homo
          Homo 25 September 2015 18: 53 New
          0
          Quote: 34 region
          The work is as it were.

          How would it be where? You drive through the district centers! There is nothing besides shops.
    3. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 25 September 2015 06: 45 New
      12
      mirag2:
      It is necessary to raise the retirement age. And not gradually, but right away. The people should work, especially now.

      I don’t understand something ... what "mirag2", dear, are you joking like that? So learn how to use at least emoticons. If we assume that your words do not have a hint of a joke - I would like to know how you earn (or earn) in life a "piece of bread"? sad Still, I hope - please joke. hi Then be careful - the people are hotter and hotter every day ... angry
    4. Vityok
      Vityok 25 September 2015 07: 13 New
      10
      Do not scratch your tongue !!! With us, the main part of the male population does not live up to 60 years, who really worked, and did not scratch their tongues! Do not believe the official "statistics".
      1. anip
        anip 25 September 2015 08: 52 New
        +9
        Quote: Vitek
        Do not scratch your tongue !!! With us, the main part of the male population does not live up to 60 years, who really worked, and did not scratch their tongues!

        Well, duck in the government, the Duma and the presidency, you can even work until the lid of the coffin. there you will be brought, taken away, fed, put to sleep, treated in countries where sanctions have been announced, etc. What doesn’t "work" like that?
    5. valokordin
      valokordin 25 September 2015 07: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: mirag2
      It is necessary to raise the retirement age. And not gradually, but right away. The people should work, especially now.

      Passed in vain are people with specific thinking, but I understand your subtle irony of increasing age.
    6. anip
      anip 25 September 2015 08: 36 New
      +8
      Quote: mirag2
      It is necessary to raise the retirement age. And not gradually, but right away. The people should work, especially now.

      Are you, by chance, not working in the Government or the Duma? And the question is: will you create jobs too, or blah blah blah about raising the retirement age, and jobs will be reduced. Where to work? And yes, it would be interesting to see you at the age of 65 in the face or at the lathe, or on the conveyor.
      1. Lapotnik
        Lapotnik 25 September 2015 14: 34 New
        +2
        I’ll say more - and you won’t get into the office plankton, only young people are sitting there, old people like the rhythm will not stand, etc. I myself am sitting in the office as an economist, and every year I understand more clearly that very big problems will soon be with employment ... And at one time it was necessary to take a techie (education).
    7. kotvov
      kotvov 25 September 2015 12: 48 New
      +1
      Need to raise the retirement age ,,
      yes, yes, up to 80, oh, that went to 90. and it’s better to cancel the pension altogether.
    8. spiriolla-45
      spiriolla-45 25 September 2015 14: 18 New
      +2
      Exactly for sure, and still stop paying salaries, drive everyone into barracks and feed just to not die. That’s it, and the liberal thugs that sucked at the feeder will continue to eat fat and take the country away.
    9. al.popoff
      al.popoff 26 September 2015 09: 18 New
      0
      NLMK’s two favorite sayings:
      1 Who worked and worked, that p..day was covered for a long time.
      2 If you want a hot experience, forget about the standing one.
      Folk wisdom however.
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  3. siberalt
    siberalt 25 September 2015 06: 36 New
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    Premiere Glazyev with his team and you will have real results.
  4. hydrox
    hydrox 25 September 2015 07: 34 New
    +6
    Quote: name
    sleep and see how ordinary people to rob.


    And liberals have always been and are liberal traitors :: The whole world economy is depressed and only one Russia in white is on the rise ...
    This is with what joy did the bathhouse fall?
    Instead of introducing a mobilization economy, these villains reassure us: "Sleep, dear Russians, death in a dream comes — it's good!"
  5. sherp2015
    sherp2015 25 September 2015 07: 58 New
    +8
    Quote: name
    Tired of Ulyukaev, that Siluanov, sleeping and seeing how ordinary people to rob. It’s not enough for more mind ... Whether there is generally no gray matter in the skull ... But for some reason, it inspires influence agents, but ...


    If only Siluyanov and Ulyukai.
    Almost the entire government, to put it mildly, is mediocre, but it is very likely that they work for foreign "partners" ...
    How else to explain the destruction of the economy?
    However, for some reason, their salaries and their deputies are quite "fat".
    If their salaries depended on the number of enterprises commissioned and were close to the salaries of the average Russian, then maybe they were thinking more with their brain, not their ass ...
  6. fennekRUS
    fennekRUS 25 September 2015 08: 34 New
    +5
    then who then, in their entire mass, graduate from our economic universities? - obviously not economists. We talked about this department, "I kind of study somewhere" A paid diploma for the sake of a diploma.
  7. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 25 September 2015 08: 49 New
    +7
    according to their logic, it turns out that in order to spend less on feed and increase milk yield it is necessary:
    1) less cow feed
    2) more milking the cow ...
  8. karal
    karal 25 September 2015 11: 01 New
    +3
    But for some reason it brings about agents of influence, and ...

    Well it is! Ulyukaev brings Gaidar's ideas to life, and after all, everything is against the Russian people! Here Naeb ..., Nabiullina, Dvorkovichi and other, other.
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 25 September 2015 13: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: karal
      Ulyukaev brings Gaidar's ideas to life, and after all, everything is against the Russian people!
      What do you have against this wonderful person and patriot? wassat

      Putin: “The death of Yegor Timurovich Gaidar is a bereavement for Russia, for all of us. There is no true citizen and patriot, a strong-minded person, a talented scientist, writer and practitioner.
      Not every statesman has the opportunity to serve the Fatherland at the most critical stages of its history, to make key decisions that will determine the future of the country
      Egor Timurovich Gaidar adequately accomplished this difficult task, showing the best professional and personal qualities
      He did not shy away from responsibility and in the most difficult situations he held a blow with honor and courage
      The blessed memory of Yegor Gaidar will forever remain in the hearts of his family and friends, all who knew this wonderful person. " crying
      http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=331463&tid=75735
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 25 September 2015 22: 43 New
        -1
        Uncle Joe

        What would you like Putin to say about Gaidar?

        What, Gaidar is a thief, a scoundrel and a traitor?

        So everyone knows that. What's new?

        A respected GDP said that one partner has changed his status. Everyone agreed and scored. And you remind again ...
  9. antoXa
    antoXa 25 September 2015 11: 12 New
    +5
    Name
    Well, what do you want?)
    The Department of Strategic Development of the Ministry of Economic Development is headed by a young guy who is 26 years old; his work experience is 2 years as an adviser to the minister, roughly speaking almost immediately after the institute))), but no, he forgot a little more, he worked as an adviser or assistant to V. Mau from the RANEPA), such "talented" guys and make these predictions)))
  10. Alekseev
    Alekseev 25 September 2015 11: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: name
    I'm sick

    That's right!
    Ruble, more expensive, investors will come running ...
    Say, with a cheap ruble there is little profit ...
    And unbeknownst to the minister-economist that while the ruble is tied to oil, according to foreign recipes, the course will jump at the behest of the United States. And investors will be mainly of a speculative type, from which there is more loss than good.
    In general, to limit, where possible, the business of companies that are outside Russian jurisdiction.
  11. Asadullah
    Asadullah 25 September 2015 20: 03 New
    0
    sleep and see how ordinary people rob


    And how? Do not tell me? And only they, or is there anyone else?

    The fact is that, most likely, they, and many others, are sleeping and seeing how to maintain a balance between their position - the chair, the government, the Kremlin, the Duma, the media and world processes. And if they really blame them, it’s just that the people are deeply violet to them.

    The second point, the author talks about GDP, but the level of GNP is more important in this situation. But the situation is this: GDP may rise if export rises in price or the state takes loans. Kudrin's option is to take loans, and transfer assets solely to US financial securities. A variant of Ulyukaev, we must wait for the increase in the price of hydrocarbons. For only in this case, investments will go. But the fact is that such investments are direct relatives of loans. Investments should be long-term, this is transport, production, energy, communications. Can you list possible investors?

    Ulyukaev is most likely mediocrity, but really, what can he do? An official in a bureaucratic machine, lazy and clumsy, it should generally be like that. The issue of investment is a matter of a liability policy, which Russia does not have. For example, in China, the head is responsible specifically for investments in a province, region, city. There are investments, you are being promoted, no, you’re going to look for work, at best you file documents in the office. Everything is extremely simple. In our country, flirting with various party interests, there is a man of this, there this, there is Uncle Kolya, there Arkady Petrovich. As long as there is a complicated system of sharing interests for political support or for something else, there will be no economic development, because the bureaucracy, like a fungus, will eat five cubes of wood and five million, it doesn’t bite its teeth anyway.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 25 September 2015 06: 19 New
    16
    Ulyukaev has become the same brand as the Psaki.
    1. antoXa
      antoXa 25 September 2015 13: 45 New
      +4
      Mikhail m
      No, in fact he is a very intelligent person and immensely hardworking, working around the clock. But for whose benefit and in whose interests it is another question.
  • Goga101
    Goga101 25 September 2015 06: 22 New
    15
    The same “minister” in an interview with the Air Force said that in economic terms Russia is nothing and it’s necessary since the age of fifty for something to change ... this is the “development” in the head of “our” minister ...
    Every day in the ministerial seats of Ulyukaev and Siluanov, every day of the leadership of the Central Bank of Nabiulina, every day of their “work” drives the country's economy into a stupor and it is likely that as a result of their activity we will pass the point of “no return” - when no one and nothing can rectify the situation ...
    A war is being waged against us, including an economic one - you cannot win a war if enemies in your headquarters command it.
    1. antoXa
      antoXa 25 September 2015 13: 54 New
      +2
      Goga101
      If you are quoting, then quote, and do not give out your thoughts, for the thoughts of other people.
      Here is an excerpt from the interview
      "Stephen Sakur (BBC): Russia obviously wants to - and feels that it is - a global superpower. But if we look at the economic situation in Russia and compare it with the power of the United States with all its innovative strength, money and resources; and if we look at China with its huge human potential, the ability to urbanize and develop infrastructure; and then we look at Russia, is it not right to say that Russia cannot be called a global superpower of the 21st century, because its economy is simply not strong enough?

      Alexei Ulyukaev: Of course, economically, Russia is not a superpower. Because we have a ratio of GDP with the global economy of 3,3%. That is nine times lower than that of the United States or China. We need at least 50 years of continued growth to get into the club of real economic superpowers. This is a big question for us: will we take this road leading to the club of superpowers of the 21st century, or not? Now we are at a fork. At the moment, Russia looks rather modest in economic terms. I would say this: our economic level is much lower than our ambitions. "
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 25 September 2015 22: 51 New
        +1
        Antoha

        I respected Ulyukaev.

        Do you know why? Because he said what they wanted to hear from him.

        But in reality, to raise Russia to the level of a superpower, two years is enough, even with that weak educational potential after the rebuilt generation.
        1. antoXa
          antoXa 28 September 2015 18: 14 New
          0
          gladcu2
          Respecting Ulyukaev or not, agreeing with him or not is the business of everyone who considers themselves competent enough in these matters, but I think that the words of a leader of this level should be quoted verbatim)
  • Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 25 September 2015 06: 30 New
    18
    One thing is clear. We still have a government.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 25 September 2015 06: 32 New
    14
    The Russian economy will rise with the growth of labor productivity, and of course personal interest in the results of the wage-worker his deyatelnosti.PRYaMAYa-longer-made over-poluchil.A Now all efforts at work, in some increase with inflation, while in others, no change, while the third -On the contrary, reduction (supposedly a crisis). And the "masters of life" are all right, in chocolate. And there are no prospects ... MAY THE AUTHORITIES SUMMER TO APPLY, AND GIVE A LITTLE PEOPLE, and everything will stir! recourse hi
    1. Homo
      Homo 25 September 2015 06: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: fa2998
      The Russian economy will rise with an increase in labor productivity — and naturally, an employee’s personal interest in the results of their activities. DIRECT –– more –– ––––––––––––––––––––––

      This is all right, but there is another big problem. Today, the anti-Bolshevik slogan “who does not work, eats”! Compare the salaries of the military, the police, miners, agricultural workers and the salaries of television presenters, journalists, actors, etc. The easier the work, the less it benefits the state, the real impact on GDP (Gross Domestic Product) is for the gifted (that would not confused with Vladimir Vladimirovich bully), the higher the salary.
      1. anip
        anip 25 September 2015 08: 56 New
        +8
        Quote: Homo
        Compare the salaries of the military, the police

        Well, the military and police have such normal salaries. Just to be for Putin, if you suddenly get to what.
        1. Ugrumiy
          Ugrumiy 25 September 2015 12: 04 New
          0
          Since the beginning of the year, these salaries have been saved and reduced, along with regular units. As stated above, feed the cow less and milk more!
        2. Homo
          Homo 25 September 2015 18: 51 New
          0
          Quote: anip
          Well, the military and police have such normal salaries.

          And in comparison with those whom I indicated? Especially if you compare the working conditions!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 25 September 2015 06: 39 New
    +5
    Somehow I’m thinking, is it not time for these gentlemen to resign ... against the background of such ideas and results in the economy ..?
    1. BMW
      BMW 25 September 2015 06: 48 New
      +7
      Quote: parusnik
      but is it time for these gentlemen to resign ..


      They said softly, execution for treason and wrecking.
      1. grandson of the hero
        grandson of the hero 25 September 2015 07: 16 New
        +7
        And this is the long-awaited 37 year. Repression, you know.
        If we come to a solution to the issue with empathy, attract for wrecking and high treason, the population of remote areas of the Magadan region will increase incredibly.
        And then they say Stalin is to blame ... And you do not steal!
    2. Name
      Name 25 September 2015 06: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      Somehow, one wonders if it’s time for these gentlemen to resign.

      So it’s time, and certainly in isolation, the depth of “resignation” has its own rules. repeat
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 25 September 2015 06: 45 New
    +9
    I have been waiting for such an article for a long time ... The dances with the course merit the "Kremlin dreamers" ... How much more do you need to listen to the highly educated nonsense of the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Finance so that some kind of "wave" can wash them off ... Russia has clearly dulled a sense of self-preservation.
  • panin58.58mail.ru
    panin58.58mail.ru 25 September 2015 07: 07 New
    +7
    As usual, everything falls on the shoulders of ordinary people, and the oligarchs build the world's largest yachts and buy real estate in London!
    1. anip
      anip 25 September 2015 08: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: panin58.58mail.ru
      oligarchs build the world's largest yachts and buy real estate in London!

      And they call on ordinary people to patriotism and "tighten their belts", "tolerate."
      1. asiat_61
        asiat_61 25 September 2015 10: 05 New
        +6
        I am ready to tighten the belt tighter, they have a delicate neck.
  • egor1712
    egor1712 25 September 2015 07: 10 New
    +5
    The guy is a smother. How can they not notice this?
    The explanation is simple, they are all there. Caring for the people? Where exactly. “War is garbage, the main thing is maneuvers.” - there is such an expression. This is for the guys who are now engaged in economic policy - the principle of activity.
  • shonsu
    shonsu 25 September 2015 07: 16 New
    -7
    the author is a short-sighted person or provocateur. he turned over all the facts and turned them upside down. even it makes no sense to prove something on each thesis, the whole article is distorted.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 September 2015 07: 16 New
    +9
    Improving the efficiency of the economy by stimulating investment demand by reducing current consumption.

    That is, with rising inflation, salaries are not only not indexed, but also reduced (under the guise of sanctions), the indexation of pensions is reduced in 2016 - 7%, in 2017 - 5%, from 2018 - 0%. It is they who "reduce current consumption." "Excellent" care for the people. It seems to me that the effectiveness of the state should be determined from caring for pensioners (old people) and attitude to the dead. Look at working pensions and go at least once to the morgue (not private) and everything will fall into place.
    But in the photo of the face of a happy person, in whom everything turned out in life, it’s good that he is a minister.
    1. anip
      anip 25 September 2015 09: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      salaries are not only not indexed, but also reduced (hiding behind sanctions)

      Yes, these sanctions are more invented by the Russian rulers than in fact, because they are beneficial to them, because under the cries of sanctions it is more convenient to rob people.
  • SERGEII
    SERGEII 25 September 2015 07: 22 New
    10
    Only the lazy does not speak about the resignation, but for this to happen, personal betrayal is necessary for himself. He is afraid to disperse all this lazy shobla, at once everyone will become the opposition (they will tear him from the feeder). Until the economic issues are decided in favor of the banks there will be no sense. What is this “let's recapitalize the bank” - they crap, and we save? Any of the monsters - SB, VTB ... They are all half and more private, that is, we will give money to Gref. Personally. In one hat. Eat it. The greatest banker. But I also want additional capitalization, because it comes from my taxes, disintegrating medicine (all specialists have already been optimized in our district hospital, now only Krasnodar or private owners), and education. My child graduated from school in '12 with gold - 12000 rubles were spent every month for tutors over the past 3 years, otherwise the school curriculum and the Unified State Exam will not grow together. Well, they don’t teach schools what to do. So the main thing in the country is banks .And the greatest economists. How did we live with one with one Sberbank?
    1. anip
      anip 25 September 2015 09: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: SERGEII
      What is this “let's recapitalize the bank” - they crap, and we save?

      So in Russia it is, for the people they are yelling about the market, which itself will regulate everything, and as these marketers are all screwing it up, they suddenly forget about the market, immediately give them state finances (in other words, earned by the people).
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 September 2015 07: 26 New
    +3
    Against the background of Glazyev’s programs, this doesn’t even draw on children's babble
  • valokordin
    valokordin 25 September 2015 07: 41 New
    +5
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Against the background of Glazyev’s programs, this doesn’t even draw on children's babble

    Hence the conclusion Ulyukaev is the Minister of Economic Underdevelopment.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 25 September 2015 07: 56 New
    +4
    Quote: mirag2
    It is necessary to raise the retirement age. And not gradually, but right away. The people should work, especially now.

    I see that pensioners work a lot. Mom says that under socialism, few pensioners worked after retirement. Some bosses, doctors, teachers. Women have longer lifespan. Men leave before that. And they won’t survive at all! Economically!
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 25 September 2015 10: 50 New
      +4
      Mom says that under socialism few pensioners worked after retirement.
      My grandparents (they worked all my life at the factory) had a pension under the USSR of 132 rubles for each, the engineer’s salary was 180 rubles. Directions in transport: tram 3 kopecks, trolley 5 kopecks, bus 6 kopecks. a loaf of bread 18 kopecks, a loaf of white 20 kopecks. so that there is something to compare. hi
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  • nikolaev
    nikolaev 25 September 2015 08: 03 New
    +6
    The hooting of Ulyukaev is of a mitic-veil character. Meanwhile, "Vaska is listening and eating." Soon the inedible leftovers will remain from the Russian economy under such a “competent” leadership.
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  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 25 September 2015 08: 21 New
    +7
    It is necessary to raise the retirement age. And not gradually, but right away. The people should work, especially now.
    No need to raise anything. You just have to chop off your hands for stealing a pension fund. angry
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 25 September 2015 08: 21 New
    +8
    For 20 years of socialism - what?
    for 20 years of capitalism - what?
    Despite the fact that managers have some kind of education.
    Or were they initially mentally retarded, but their education did not change?
  • Million
    Million 25 September 2015 08: 28 New
    +4
    "according to Ulyukaev’s department, investments will also grow. It is they that should give impetus to the Russian economy"

    But PETRO 1 did not need investments! Therefore, he is GREAT!
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 September 2015 10: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Million
      But PETRA 1 did not need investments

      And who melted the bells on the guns? The Orthodox Church’s direct investment in the arms industry ... it is rumored that it’s not entirely voluntary laughing
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 25 September 2015 12: 40 New
        0
        And who melted the bells on the guns? ,,
        and for some reason, we decided to recapitalize banks, at an increase in rates. That is, banks that are essentially just a transmission link begin to engage in speculation. The dollar exchange rate is growing, and factory factories can’t take out a loan for development, because of excessive interest.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 September 2015 13: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: kotvov
          and for some reason, we decided to recapitalize banks, at an increase in rates. That is, banks that are essentially just a transmission link begin to engage in speculation. The dollar exchange rate is growing, and factory factories can’t take out a loan for development, because of excessive interest.

          I already wrote a lot about all this. There is Glazyev who understands how the economy works. And there are a bunch of "comrades" - Nabiullina, Ulyukaev, Kudrin and so on, who have not grown out of the most primitive and in no way justified combining the "free market" with the theory of monetarism. To which everything seems that the state should only manage the size of the money supply, and the rest will be corrected by the invisible hand of the market. In no country did these IMF manuals work, but it will definitely work for us! Rave. And the deep incompetence. And a complete inability to learn at least from their mistakes.
          And about Peter - it was a joke, although in every joke ... when it was necessary for the Swede to use the face on the table, but the resource was not enough, Peter (according to rumors) slightly ... how would I say ... redistributed the blessings from the Church to the benefit of the gunners. And not that the clergy took this idea with enthusiasm. Although among Orthodox priests there were always more than just grabbers, maybe someone supported.
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  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 25 September 2015 08: 36 New
    +9
    A funny man is this Ulyukaev. He always makes team predictions from above. They ordered him from the Kremlin - in 2016, so that there would be economic growth, otherwise ...! And now he is already reporting - so surely there will be economic growth - only small. Two days before, Nabiullina and Siluanov competed in gloomy forecasts, apparently Nabiullina seemed to have little approval from overseas. A day later, Deputy Nabiullina Yudaeva decided to sit up the boss and prophesied that the Russian economy would generally fall for a few more quarters, and, they say, we'll see. And then Ulyukaev hurries to check out, they say, yes, we have bad business. It is characteristic that both Yaresko in Ukraine and Yudaev are both American henchmen - but Yareska is optimistic, and Yudaeva is pessimistic. In general - it's time to change the girls in our economic block
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 25 September 2015 08: 43 New
    +5
    To drive such a pseudo-minister on a filthy broom along with the entire ministry. Let the gypsies vang along with them.
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 25 September 2015 08: 58 New
    +4
    Rotten GOVERNMENT EGGS - ECONOMIC UNIT HEADED BY THE PREMIER, there is nothing to talk and discuss about them, they are rotten and rotten in Africa. Yes, and all the power, do not you think the same smacks of?
  • karal
    karal 25 September 2015 09: 18 New
    +3
    We must fight Ulyukaevschina, otherwise the Russian economy will be covered with a copper basin! As Mikhail Delyagin said in one article, not a single forecast of the unfortunate minister has come true so far. And from myself I will add - "... and it won’t come true."
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 25 September 2015 09: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: karal
      We must fight Ulyukaevschina, otherwise the Russian economy will be covered with a copper basin! As Mikhail Delyagin said in one article, not a single forecast of the unfortunate minister has come true so far. And from myself I will add - "... and it won’t come true."

      I'm afraid for copper is not enough! laughing
  • EFA
    EFA 25 September 2015 09: 21 New
    0
    Finally, the label became clear!
    The plan was this: we will drop the ruble, plus sanctions, plus a little hysteria, equally - protest moods and akhtung that Mr. Putin.

    A year has passed.
    Now they finally added up two plus two and realized that the Russian budget was not filled with dollars, but with rubles, and that the low exchange rate turned out to give a good amount to those who receive revenue in foreign currency.

    And now they have a new formula: raise the ruble, plus sanctions, plus a LOT of hysteria, plus a mess wherever possible, as well - protest moods and posbleble that Mr. Putin, well, at least a little, even a little.

    It’s extremely simplistic and exaggerated for my part, but everything looks just like that.
    1. Robinzon57
      Robinzon57 25 September 2015 15: 26 New
      0
      I ask you to! Speak interestingly, but not everyone knows GREAT ENGLISH! Unfortunately...
      Quote: EFA
      EFA
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 25 September 2015 09: 48 New
    +4
    As for the growth of labor productivity.
    It is a common misconception that this phrase means that workers should work better.
    The main thing that gives rise to labor productivity is the purchase and use of automated equipment in the production, and this does not apply to workers, but to the owners of the enterprise and the use of finance to purchase equipment.
    For example, at the site, twenty workers stack boards in packages that can pack 40 packs per shift.
    The increase in productivity in this case is the purchase of a laying line where one operator will work, perhaps a couple of auxiliary workers to correct the boards moving along the conveyor and the productivity of such a line is 100 packets per day.
    Labor productivity has long depended not on workers, but on means of mechanization, that is. from the desire of the employer to spend money on the purchase of equipment. But many "effective" liberal managers have no desire to invest their money in the purchase of equipment and develop prize production. He made a profit in a small bottle for a cordon, so production does not develop, in any case, as required by the situation in the country.
    1. Andrey Korotky
      Andrey Korotky 25 September 2015 10: 57 New
      +1
      In fact, this is not always the case. Labor productivity is sometimes more efficient to increase due to the organization of labor and optimization of business processes. And the purchase of expensive high-performance equipment sometimes does not pay off at all or leads to a decrease in the profitability of production due to the high costs of the purchase or service. But before to buy something, you need to calculate the rentability. Sometimes, at low volumes of production, it’s more profitable to pay a couple of blacks than to buy an expensive expensive packaging line.
      There are good books on this subject: “lean manufacturing”, “gembo kaizen”, “14 principles of tao tyot”, “tools of bargain manufacturing”
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 25 September 2015 11: 53 New
        +2
        Of course, you always need to calculate.
        I specifically cited an example where, instead of two dozen people, 2-3 people will work and produce several times more. Yesterday, on TV, they showed sorting of potatoes, which is familiar to most of those who "went to potatoes" in Soviet times — hundreds of attracted people could not handle this work manually — probably at least half of the potatoes rotted. And here they stand at the conveyor, quickly discard it, it will take no more than an hour to sort the machines, which is very important during harvesting and preserving the crop.
        The fact is that we have a lot of heavy inefficient manual labor. People become disabled after 10-15 years. Here you have to get rid of it.
        Here we are talking about increasing labor productivity throughout the country, and this is always mass production, large volumes and nothing can be done manually.
        Of course, there is another extreme. Timber merchants are taken to Canada and shown production, where a line is several kilometers long and not a single worker. All in oh-no, you do not have to pay wages, taxes, comply with labor protection requirements — what a saving! But they don’t think about the fact that for a continuous technical process it is necessary to have a very serious preparation of production, spare sets of equipment, a repair service of qualified specialists, special diagnostic equipment — and this will cost a lot, but they don’t show this anymore.
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 25 September 2015 09: 50 New
    +9
    What are the arguments in favor of increasing investment Ulyukaev? It turns out that now investors do not want to actively invest in projects in Russia, because, you see, they are concerned about the low exchange rate of the Russian currency


    I have an acquaintance in Slovakia, a medium-sized businessman, met during my service at the Central Headquarters, sometimes we correspond.
    Well, he claims just the opposite, that a low ruble exchange rate is beneficial for him, and they do not want to invest in the Russian economy, due to the lack of a clear economic policy in Russia, the government shying from side to side, in a word - the lack of stability discourages investors. Plus, the content of the business is quite expensive; he so softly calls corruption. That's really who he is, Ulyukaev, he does not know.
    And I, myself, think that he was lucky in this, that he does not know Ulyukaev, I would really like for us all to "not know Ulyukaev", maybe then economic policy will appear.

    Here is such a naive thought visited. what
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 25 September 2015 10: 16 New
      +5
      Vladimir 1964 (2) SU Today, 09:50

      What are the arguments in favor of increasing investment Ulyukaev? It turns out that now investors do not want to actively invest in projects in Russia, because, you see, they are concerned about the low exchange rate of the Russian currency ...

      I have an acquaintance in Slovakia, a medium-sized businessman, met during my service at the Central Headquarters, sometimes we correspond.


      Greetings Vladimir!

      About Slovakia, I can speak more accurately than from other people's words, because lived there for 17 years.
      Corruption in Slovakia, EXACTLY SUCH the same as in Russia, is simply more culturally robbed or sent to you, but at exactly the same distance as Russia.

      There is NO big money in Slovakia, all the remnants of the social industry are DEVELOPED by dozens of people “with sharp elbows” (Slovak expression), all middle-aged businessmen “sleep and see” (Slovak expression) GET or establish business with Russia, as there is money and PAYABLE (and not on credit) DEMAND ...

      Slovakia itself is tormented by high unemployment (10-15% officers, but actually 25-35%), a large number of people working abroad (400-500 thousand out of 5 million people), officers. 250 thousand but really up to 800 thousand. gypsies, 99% of which DO NOT WORK!

      And much more, why none of the Russians who visited the Czech Republic and Slovakia on a 1-2-week tourist tour JUST DOES NOT UNDERSTAND, but drools and tells tales in Russia about how CULTURAL AND RICH rich people live in Eastern Europe. ORDER CITIZENS !?

      Michael, Slovakia.
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 25 September 2015 12: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: michajlo
        About Slovakia, I can speak more accurately than from other people's words, because lived there for 17 years.
        Corruption in Slovakia, EXACTLY SUCH the same as in Russia, is simply more culturally robbed or sent to you, but at exactly the same distance as Russia.

        There is NO big money in Slovakia, all the remnants of the social industry are DEVELOPED by dozens of people “with sharp elbows” (Slovak expression), all middle-aged businessmen “sleep and see” (Slovak expression) GET or establish business with Russia, as there is money and PAYABLE (and not on credit) DEMAND ...

        Michael, and I’m not going to argue. The last time was in Bratislava and Komarno in 2011. Regarding the corruption there, you yourself wrote absolutely correctly, it is “softer” there, but the point is not even mild. She’s rather not suffocating there. Here is the type so found the wording.
        And my comrade under the Communists worked in Velký Krtysh in the backyard "Liaz" and after the divorce he moved to Moravia, he had a wooden case with him, All the workers are Slovaks.

        Well, like that. request
        1. michajlo
          michajlo 25 September 2015 15: 43 New
          +2
          Vladimir 1964 (2) SU Today, 12:24 ↑

          Quote: michajlo
          .
          And my comrade under the Communists worked in Velký Krtysh in the backyard "Liaz" and after the divorce he moved to Moravia, he had a wooden case with him, All the workers are Slovaks.


          Greetings Vladimir!
          Sorry, but forced to correct your inaccuracies.
          Your Slovak buddy has long been working in the Czech Republic (Morava is the eastern part of the Czech Republic), it has a slightly different WORKING climate, more jobs than in Slovakia, and the Czechs, unlike the Slovaks, have LESSERIZED their industry, heavy and defense, although the Germans already own factories and other European firms.
          A lot of Slovaks work constantly or on a rotational basis in the Czech Republic, since there are MORE jobs ...
          And in Velký Krtish in Slovakia, at the former Liaz factory, there were only miserable remnants from the former bus giant Liaz.
          Under the same brand in the same Czech Republic and now buses are produced ...
          Such are the "small details from the sex life of insects."

          I wish you all the best!

          Michael, Smolensk.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 September 2015 10: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      Well, so he claims just the opposite, that a low ruble exchange rate is beneficial to him
      So this was the main argument in favor of the collapse of the ruble. They say right now the industry will work, due to low costs - and now Ulyukaev does the opposite request
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 25 September 2015 12: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        So this was the main argument in favor of the collapse of the ruble. They say right now the industry will work, due to low costs - and now Ulyukaev does the opposite


        Michael, the “low ruble” is beneficial for our exporters (in particular Gazprom) and foreign ones that supply us with goods. For the layman, the fall of the ruble in any case is poverty.
        But Ulyukaev’s nonsense, it’s about nothing, at present the oil industry’s profits are growing, despite the fall in oil prices, although this is partially due to increased production.

        Well, the type of thought outlined. winked
  • astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 25 September 2015 09: 52 New
    +5
    In our city in Siberia, from the new "high-tech" enterprises, tape hypermarkets have recently opened (the 3rd is under construction), Leroy Monroe is getting ready! And ... beer houses through the house !!! Business! Investments! Blah blah blah!!! Glory to the great party !!! And the real production is like that .. puffing something on the equipment of probably Demidian times .... More often the word lease appeared. Sadly. The increase in labor productivity can be achieved: either by improving implements of production, or labor intensity by increasing the working day. Efficiency of enterprises and organizations in our reality, this is the reduction of posts and the burden of their duties (vacancies) on the shoulders of those remaining, while maintaining the same wages. New equipment that would make it possible to improve something is not procured Xia due to the cost (to explain that and so will do work negros), and if something is bought (that's when he had all the edge) is of very poor quality.
    What for efficiency and increased productivity. Where is the growth of the economy?
    Huh?
    1. VEKT
      VEKT 25 September 2015 10: 46 New
      +6
      In our city in Siberia, from the new "high-tech" enterprises, tape hypermarkets have recently opened (the 3rd is under construction), Leroy Monroe is getting ready! And ... beer houses through the house !!! Business! Investments! Blah blah blah!!! Glory to the great party !!! And the real production is like that .. puffing something on the equipment of probably Demidian times .... More often the word lease appeared. Sadly. The increase in labor productivity can be achieved: either by improving implements of production, or labor intensity by increasing the working day. Efficiency of enterprises and organizations in our reality, this is the reduction of posts and the burden of their duties (vacancies) on the shoulders of those remaining, while maintaining the same wages. New equipment that would make it possible to improve something is not procured Xia due to the cost (to explain that and so will do work negros), and if something is bought (that's when he had all the edge) is of very poor quality.
      What for efficiency and increased productivity. Where is the growth of the economy?
      Huh?
      The same situation, only in the central zone. Over the past year, 2 more hypermarkets, Lenta and Metro, have opened. The plant of road cars are going to close, all in debt.
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 25 September 2015 14: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: VEKT
        The same situation, only in the central zone. Over the past year, 2 more hypermarkets, Lenta and Metro, have opened. The plant of road cars are going to close, all in debt.


        Colleagues, and such a situation throughout the country, in particular in the South, I myself live in the Krasnodar Territory.
        So. yes
  • question
    question 25 September 2015 09: 58 New
    +2
    Instead of correctly calculating in which regions, which industry, which enterprises to build (re-profile), the ruble will again drop. Closer to a hundred, we’ll grow more reliable,
  • michajlo
    michajlo 25 September 2015 10: 04 New
    10
    Welcome all!

    The topic is sore about acute.
    The standard requirements of the "Employer" have slowly moved to Russia from the West
    to the "employee":

    1) After 35 years - DO NOT NEED a waste!
    2) The ideal employee is “25 years with 15 years of experience !?”

    This is not fiction, this is reality, alas !!!

    I’ve managed to get a RVP for 3 years and make a registration for 3 years for a year of living in Russia, but the accumulations are over,
    but there is NO WORK!

    The most cultural responses from the Human Resources Department, or during an additional telephone call, if ATTENTION they will send you a Refusal:

    - "You are too knowledgeable and too experienced!",
    - should we take a young one and teach him something in 5 years?

    that both in the West and in Russia, it means that the company does not need SPECIALISTS with practical experience and rich knowledge, since they MAY then occupy the seats of "so-called Chief Specialists" and "so-called Executive Officers" !?

    And this despite the fact that I position myself as a "Technical Specialist" and not as a "Universal Manager" ...

    It’s sad how everything looks, but LIFE does not let more joyfully.
    And the prices in the store or for renting a room are pricked ...

    Michael, Smolensk.
    1. anip
      anip 25 September 2015 10: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: michajlo
      1) After 35 years - DO NOT NEED a waste!
      2) The ideal employee is “25 years with 15 years of experience !?”

      This is not fiction, this is reality, alas !!!

      This is so, we know, we know. Nothing has changed since the 90s, when specialists were needed to work no older than 27-30 years with two diverse higher educations and at least 5 years of experience.
    2. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 25 September 2015 14: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: michajlo
      After 35 years - DO NOT NEED a waste!


      Mikhail, you are just writing about me.
      Unfortunately, this is exactly what happens.

      Quote: michajlo
      - "You are too knowledgeable and too experienced!",
      - should we take a young one and teach him something in 5 years?


      almost so experienced on myself.

      That's it. no
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 25 September 2015 10: 21 New
    +7
    All this resembles some kind of theater of the absurd! Surrealism in its purest form!
    The whole country knows that the economic bloc of government is nits and critters, deceitful, narrow-minded, incompetent crooks. The scum of society, so to speak.
    However, these creatures rule the ball!
    I have already curled milk from their impudence.
    Or is our leader waiting for some significant reason to disperse these bastards?
  • Andrey Korotky
    Andrey Korotky 25 September 2015 10: 34 New
    +5
    "Improving the efficiency of the economy by stimulating investment demand by reducing current consumption."
    Well, it’s finally some kind of scribe! Ulyukaev himself understood that he froze when consumption was reduced, demand decreases and the volume of sales decreases accordingly. Respectively and production volumes fall, which means profit will decrease. What sensible investor will invest loot in an enterprise whose profitability falls? Based on the logic of this cake, a decrease in car production in the Russian Federation due to a 35% drop in sales due to a decrease in demand this year should have caused an unprecedented investment boom in the industry. Some kind of nonsense ... And the result is that the opposite is the opposite for manufacturers market.
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 25 September 2015 11: 42 New
      0
      Ulyukaev himself understood that he froze
      Maybe he's just not literate? wink laughing
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    3. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 25 September 2015 14: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Korotky
      "Improving the efficiency of the economy by stimulating investment demand by reducing current consumption."
      Well, it’s finally some kind of scribe! Ulyukaev himself understood that he froze when consumption was reduced, demand decreases and the volume of sales decreases accordingly. Respectively and production volumes fall, which means profit will decrease. What sensible investor will invest loot in an enterprise whose profitability falls?


      A similar statement by Ulyukaev, painfully reminds me of verbal pearls Yatsenyuk.

      Like so. sad
  • loaln
    loaln 25 September 2015 11: 09 New
    +5
    "Harry Potter School."
    Yes, not a single financial and economic management or education body and next to it is embarrassing to compare. And not because it carries a mossy stupidity from them, but maybe something else. The main thing is that these are self-locking machines for transforming the well-being of the country and people, if not de-mo, then into what they themselves could consume.
    And on all the rest they do not care. No, for the rest there is spruce Noodle on the ears. Daily.
  • Belousov
    Belousov 25 September 2015 12: 11 New
    +7
    You look at such ministers, at such heads of the Central Bank, Sberbank and others, and you understand that if they are sitting in their places, then Putin is pleased with them, then their work suits him, that means they fulfill the tasks assigned to them. And we can clearly see what the goal is in front of Nabiullina, Siluanov, Golodets, Skvortsova and other dvorovichi, Sechins, Millers and Rottenbergs - exclusively the collapse of the country, the dulling of the nation, the undermining of health, the replacement of the indigenous population by Caucasians and Asians. So the same goal is facing ...?
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 25 September 2015 20: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Belousov
      we see what the goal for Nabiullina, Siluanov, Golodets, Skvortsova and other dvorkovichs, Sechins, Millers and Rottenbergs is - exclusively the collapse of the country, the dulling of the nation, undermining health, the replacement of the indigenous population by Caucasians and Asians. So the same goal is facing ...?

      Incompetence, illiteracy, banal laziness and lack of desire to work not for one’s own pocket, but for the good of the Motherland and the nation (which applies to many: from the first pasha to the last beggar) - these are the causes of our problems, and not some mythological “conspiracies”.
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  • Horn
    Horn 25 September 2015 12: 13 New
    +4
    All over the world, during such crises, they try to stimulate demand, they even stupidly throw money at people (Australia), lower prices for goods! But it is all over the world. And here we have - Ulyukaevschina ... and a little Sahip
  • Zaus
    Zaus 25 September 2015 12: 34 New
    +3
    He who wants to work will find work.
    Work and make money are two very similar words. But the meaning is different. Find a job for work or find work to earn? It is unlikely that most people dream of work that you need to go to, but from which there is no increase in the family budget .. And yes, it’s easy to find a job (low-paid) ...
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 25 September 2015 12: 40 New
    +1
    Something today is not the first article with a government dumbass to be published on the site. It is unclear why. Either the administrators today are kidding and the guys are kidding or received a "guideline" to promote this dumbass to "good people." But, as they say, like a wolf feed, and the elephant has more eggs.
  • Atemzug
    Atemzug 25 September 2015 13: 00 New
    +5
    In order not to inflame the stealing king, they pull the boyars into the circle one at a time and poke them with a finger to mark them incompetent.
    And it doesn’t come to anyone’s voice that the formula "The king is good, these are bad boyars" does not work for 700 years now.
  • uskrabut
    uskrabut 25 September 2015 13: 26 New
    +2
    all our troubles come from the fact that our economy is distributive. the main part of the national income from the sale of fuel and raw materials, to open an enterprise is troublesome and expensive in the conditions of our laws. therefore, the fewer bablos get to people, the more they will (ulyukaev. Hence the lack of interest in developing their own production. sold gas - boiled, bought junk and havchik; sold junk and havchik and boiled again. ordinary people - extra mouths than there are fewer of them, the more dough you can keep yourself.Wages are now enough only for a communal apartment and devour
  • MuadDib
    MuadDib 25 September 2015 14: 09 New
    +2
    From the article, I concluded that neither Ulyukaev nor his colleagues in the Ministry of Economic Development opened textbooks on economic theory.
  • Governor
    Governor 25 September 2015 14: 25 New
    +1
    If the president of a country like Russia cannot create tens of percent economic growth, then such a president must be judged for treason.
    Because Russia is a priori a rich country, and the guarantor deliberately slows down its development.
  • Crown
    Crown 25 September 2015 16: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: RU-Officer
    mirag2:
    It is necessary to raise the retirement age. And not gradually, but right away. The people should work, especially now.

    I don’t understand something ... what "mirag2", dear, are you joking like that? So learn how to use at least emoticons. If we assume that your words do not have a hint of a joke - I would like to know how you earn (or earn) in life a "piece of bread"? sad Still, I hope - please joke. hi Then be careful - the people are hotter and hotter every day ... angry

    I probably walked with my brothers, once in the 90s I was chic
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 25 September 2015 17: 25 New
    +5
    Quote: Vladimir 1964
    Regarding the corruption there, you yourself wrote absolutely correctly, it is “softer” there, but the point is not even softness. She’s rather not suffocating there. Here is the type so found the wording.

    And we really have suffocating corruption. Example today, I was forced to apply with an injury, an injury from my wife. They brought to the emergency room, while the nurse sat in the hallway, avoided looking into her eyes, calling to talk, like give me money (don’t think of another, it wasn’t laughing). Did not give. The doctor, piglet, 25 years old, said that it was too late, she could not do anything, she had to get to her within an hour and sent her to the local doctor at the other end of the city. The one in touch, such as an urgent need to go to the hospital and show a good specialist. I want to buy a machine somewhere and go to a showdown.
  • GraveBezKresta
    GraveBezKresta 25 September 2015 18: 50 New
    +2
    Here are the "friends" of Putin. They get 1,5-2 million per day (officially rubles). Unofficially, you can safely multiply, well ... say 10 times. For me, these are social parasites or ticks. They would have been crushed for a long time, but there is a guarantor. However, the patience of the people is already running out. And somewhere it will explode. It will not be Mindan - it will be something else ...
    1. Robinzon57
      Robinzon57 25 September 2015 21: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Grave without Cross
      Here are the "friends" of Putin. They get 1,5-2 million per day (officially rubles). Unofficially, you can safely multiply, well ... say 10 times. For me, these are social parasites or ticks. They would have been crushed for a long time, but there is a guarantor. However, patience

      Even Gref and Chubais forgot, Very colorful chelas. fellow
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 25 September 2015 19: 56 New
    -3
    Labor made a man out of a monkey; he will also make Russia a prosperous country.
    1. Robinzon57
      Robinzon57 26 September 2015 16: 52 New
      0
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST (1) Yesterday, 19:56
      Labor made a man out of a monkey; he will also make Russia a prosperous country.

      COURT will make Russia a prosperous country! am
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 25 September 2015 21: 28 New
    +3
    They say that soon it will be good. Who soon will be well - do not say.
  • sapporo1959
    sapporo1959 26 September 2015 00: 12 New
    +2
    Economists and ministers deserved as dogs, but why is my pension in dollars halved not known? These are our squiggles, unfortunately. By the way, they want to surprise the world with a championship, but there is no money to compensate for pensions for inflation.
  • arrows
    arrows 26 September 2015 17: 11 New
    0
    When will this adult husband, who managed to save the brain of the baby, leave the ruling offices ?? !!