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Project News PC-26 "Frontier"

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In recent days, domestic media published a number News on the development of strategic missile forces, namely, on the progress of the RS-26 Rubezh project. With reference to sources in the military department, a new adjustment was made to the timing of the start of service of promising missiles, as well as some upcoming events related to existing international treaties.


September 16 TASS news agency citing a source in the Ministry of Defense reported that at the end of this year, the defense industry will begin mass production of the new RS-26 inter-continental ballistic missile Rubezh, which will be supplied to the Strategic Missile Forces. The production of the first batch of missiles to retrofit one of the regiments will be completed next year. The first missiles of the new type will go into service with the Irkutsk Guards missile formation. In the future, promising missiles can be mastered by other Strategic Missile Forces compounds.

It should be noted that the approximate dates for the start of mass production and the adoption of new missiles were again changed. The first information on this subject appeared last summer. Then in the domestic press there were reports that the Irkutsk Strategic Missile Forces link should have been the first to receive the new weapons. At the very end of last year, the commander-in-chief of the strategic missile forces said that the RS-26 missiles would go into service in the 2016 year. In the spring of 2015, new messages appeared: this time the launch of the missile was set for the second half of the current year, and mass production was supposed to start no later than the start of the 2016 of the year.


PC-24 complexes at the Victory Parade. Photo Kremlin.ru


According to recent reports, the new Frontier missiles will go into series at the end of 2015 of the year, and in 2016 will begin to flow into one of the Strategic Missile Forces connections. Thus, despite some ambiguities and adjustment of plans, the timing of the deployment of production and the start of operation did not undergo major changes. In addition, we can assume that it is the latest data most closely correspond to the current plans of the Strategic Missile Forces. There are only three months left until the end of the year, so mass production of missiles can be launched very soon.

Before the adoption of the new ICBM, some special events are planned that are directly related to existing international agreements. In accordance with Article 5 of the Fifth Protocol to the START III Treaty on Inspection Activities, Russia and the United States must demonstrate to each other their new developments in the field of strategic weapons. Perspective PC-26 “Frontier” will not be an exception.

On September 21, the TASS agency, citing an unnamed source in the military, reported that in November a group of American specialists should visit the Votkinsk engineering plant, where ballistic missiles are being built for the Strategic Missile Forces. The purpose of this visit will be the demonstration of the latest ICBM RS-26, which is planned to be put into service in the near future. Inspectors from the United States for the first time will have the opportunity to familiarize themselves with another Russian-developed ballistic missile.

Foreign experts will be able to inspect the rocket, as well as receive some information about it. First of all, they will be explained how the new “Frontier” differs from previous Russian developments. Inspectors will also be able to measure the dimensions of the rocket to confirm the data presented on paper. In addition, on request, the American side can get photographs of the new rocket.

According to a Tass source, during the visit, the United States inspectors will face certain restrictions. So, the specialists will not be allowed to touch a promising product with their hands or to shoot using photo or video equipment, as well as various gadgets. In addition, at the Votkinsk plant, the delegation will show only the PC-26 rocket. The remaining elements of the Rubezh complex, such as a launcher and other special equipment, will not be shown to foreign specialists.

The visit of the Votkinsk engineering plant by the American delegation will last only one day. During this time, experts will study the product "Frontier" and will issue all the necessary documents. It is noted that in accordance with the current START III treaty, the American inspectors no longer work in Votkinsk on a permanent basis. The previous START I treaty provided for similar control measures, but it was decided in the new agreement to abandon them.

Inspection trip of foreign experts will allow to solve some legal issues, after which the new intercontinental rocket will be able to go to the troops. As already mentioned, the start of serial production of PC-26 rockets is scheduled for the last months of this year. In 2016, this is weapon entered service with the Irkutsk Guards missile compound.

According to available data, the Rubezh PC-26 project is a further development of the existing family of solid-propellant intercontinental ballistic missiles, as well as a deep modernization of the PC-24 “Yars” rocket already in use. According to various estimates, the new “Frontier” differs from “Yars” by different combat equipment in the form of a split head and some other characteristics.

The development of the Frontier project was completed at the beginning of this decade, the trials started in 2011 year. To date, five test launches have been completed, the first of which ended in an accident. The rest of the tests were successful. The last three launches at the moment, performed at the Kapustin Yar proving ground for conventional targets at the Sary-Shagan proving ground, have become a reason for criticism and accusations from foreign countries. During these launches, the range of missiles was significantly less than 5500 km required to classify the missile as an intercontinental class. As a result, the United States accused Russia of creating a medium-range missile, which contradicts one of the existing agreements.

According to recent reports, the PC-26 “Frontier” project is approaching a logical end. In the very near future, the rocket will be shown to foreign partners and will begin its mass production, after which the new weapons will begin to flow to the troops.


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  1. egor1712
    egor1712 25 September 2015 06: 29 New
    +9
    A sort of club for the adversary. And we will show and tell, if necessary then with a dolb.
    1. kobussubok
      kobussubok 25 September 2015 06: 52 New
      +3
      And we will send training manuals by the same transport according to the rules of wrapping in white sheets ...
      1. 17085
        17085 25 September 2015 10: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: kobussubok
        kobussubok Today, 06:52 ↑ New
        And we will send training manuals by the same transport according to the rules of wrapping in white sheets ...


        What for? They have beautiful four-seater coffins ...
  2. Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 25 September 2015 07: 53 New
    +5
    Another way the West does not stop! Agree with him will not succeed.
  3. pomegranate
    pomegranate 25 September 2015 08: 23 New
    +4
    soldier Bang, bang, sure bang, the whole world is in ruin, but then. soldier
    1. Kingdino
      Kingdino 25 September 2015 08: 46 New
      -23
      swinging a nuclear club with a subsequent kuzkin mother already passed, right? Is the memory short? fool
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 25 September 2015 09: 05 New
        +14
        Some nations are really short - we must remind .. wink
      2. Moore
        Moore 25 September 2015 10: 06 New
        +17
        For some - "brandishing a nuclear club", for others - "strengthening the country's defenses."
        The former, as a rule, do not accept the concept of No. 2. They are for 300 grades of sausage.
  4. Pbs
    Pbs 25 September 2015 08: 24 New
    +12
    Why are they talking so cautiously about Boundary? It seems that everyone has long known that it is only intercontinental formally, in order to comply with the treaties, but in fact - a medium-range missile specifically for Europe, so that the ICBMs do not spend on them. It flies 5,5 thousand km (that is, it fulfills the condition to be considered an ICBM), but only along a high path. On a low active trajectory designed to break through missile defense, its range is seriously shorter, which is why the Americans have already had a notable butthert, because such missiles are prohibited. Too cheap, effective, with a short approach time, with a large margin of power for a missile defense breakthrough.
    1. DEMENTIY
      DEMENTIY 25 September 2015 11: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: Pbs
      why the Americans already had a noble butthert ...


      Why would a butthert happen would be nice to hear from Ascetic ...
      Yes, he disappeared. recourse It's a pity!
      Ascetic!
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 25 September 2015 11: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: Pbs
      It flies on 5,5 thousand km (that is, it fulfills the condition to be considered an ICBM), but only along a high path.

      The flight path of missiles from Plesetsk to the Kura training ground is at least 5700 km.
      The first RS-26 ballistic launch took place from the Plesetsk training range from the 23 mobile launcher on May 2012. The training combat unit arrived in the designated area of ​​the Kura training range in Kamchatka ...
      What are its questions? bully
    3. Olezhek
      Olezhek 25 September 2015 14: 01 New
      +2
      Why are so cautious about Rubezh say? It seems that everyone has long known that it is intercontinental only formally in order to comply with the treaties,


      There was such a term in 8 th - Eurostrategic missiles ..
      As we understand Iskander in Kaliningrad is quite vulnerable ...
      But if you hit from the depths of Russia ...

      The ICBM, as we all understand, is quite expensive for such purposes.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 September 2015 19: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Pbs
      medium-range missile specifically for Europe, so that ICBMs do not spend on them.

      Well, why only for Europe then? Through Alaska, quite a lot can be reached in the United States.
      In addition, the 5500 km claimed is a very arbitrary figure, so there may be all 8000 km, and only the designers and the main officials of the state know about it. But even at this range, the appearance of such a rocket will greatly reduce the load on the Iskanders and cool some painfully hot heads .
  5. Engineer
    Engineer 25 September 2015 08: 40 New
    +3
    In the very near future, the rocket will be shown to foreign partners

    Faq To whom? What for? Are you out of your mind?
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 25 September 2015 09: 21 New
      +1
      According to the contract.
  6. Brummbar
    Brummbar 25 September 2015 08: 52 New
    +3
    Why show her to Amers? God forbid, of course, but if anything, they will see her anyway.
  7. Olezhek
    Olezhek 25 September 2015 09: 04 New
    +1
    Distance between Moscow and New York 7510 kilometers
    http://www.raschet-rasstoyanie.ru/mezhdu-gorodami/moskva/nyu-york-new-york


    Speaking about the technical characteristics of the PC-26, experts refer it to the complexes with small-sized ICBMs with 2-3 stages. They most likely used a new type of solid fuel, which accelerates the passage of the active part of the trajectory. According to experts, the minimum launching range of the ICBM is about 2 000 km, the maximum - exceeds 6000 km.


    As already mentioned, the start of serial production of PC-26 rockets is scheduled for the last months of this year. In 2016, these weapons will go into service with the Irkutsk Guards Missile Force.


    Distance between Seattle and Irkutsk 8059 kilometers


    So while nothing is clear ...
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 25 September 2015 12: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Olezhek
      So while nothing is clear ...

      According to experts, the minimum launch range of ICBMs is about 2 000 km

      ... unrecord sitting!
      The minimum launch range of even the old Poplar from 1000 km. And in general, any ICBM can hit at medium range, up to 5tkm!
      The distance between the positional area of ​​the Irkutsk division to Alaska - 5400km!
      For all that, PGRK, if necessary, by the Ruslans can easily be transferred anywhere - even to Chukotka, even to Novaya Zemlya, even to Vladik and Kamchatka ...
      The European part of the Russian Federation - even more so.

      The scent and intuition of the old rocketeers suggests something more terrible for the 3,14ndos ... it’s not without reason that the PUs don’t show them laughing bully fellow
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 25 September 2015 13: 43 New
        0
        The distance between the positional area of ​​the Irkutsk division to Alaska - 5400km!

        And why do we need Alaska ???
        There are half a million people ...
        Los Angeles, San Francisco ... Seattle ...

        Throw somewhere, in which case, as a rule - late ...
        Is this a two-component scheme Ruslan + Boundary?

        The minimum launch range of even the old Topol from 1000 km.


        Exact data on the boundary - unknown for obvious reasons.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 25 September 2015 14: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Olezhek
          Throw somewhere, in which case, as a rule - late ...

          ... Wait, the BTA is transferring all-necessary to Syria, you think it's too late? laughing laughing laughing
          There is such a term and, accordingly, the concept - "OP" is a "special period" or "threatened period" - when nothing is too late ... and moreover ...
          Now for a month the duty forces of the Strategic Missile Forces with the PGRK "went to the fields" - where are they? Ahren know!? bully

          about -
          Quote: Olezhek
          And why do we need Alaska ???

          In Alaska, there are a number of US military facilities, the largest of which is Elmendorf airbase near Anchorage.

          On the basis of Elmendorf, the Alaskan Command of the US Armed Forces, the command of the Alaskan zone of NORAD (the aerospace defense of North America), the 11 Air Force of the United States and many other units are based. Near the base of Elmendorf, in Fort Richardson, is an airborne brigade.

          Maintaining these and many other military facilities in Alaska is an important component of the state’s economy, and the US federal government is one of the largest employers in the state.
          1. Olezhek
            Olezhek 25 September 2015 15: 18 New
            0
            .asta BTA in Syria, they throw all-necessary, you think, too late?

            There, as a surprise nuclear strike, it was NOT planned / not planned ...
            You do not confuse conventional war with a sudden nuclear exchanges ...
            If at that very hour H - some delivery vehicles are not combat ready -
            they are ALREADY not relevant ..

            On Ruslana ... then by deer ...


            There is such a term and, accordingly, the concept - "OP" is a "special period" or "threatened period" - when nothing is too late ... and moreover ...


            Of course I know - for example, April / May / June 1941 ... the threatened period
            and nothing was late, everything was early ...
            Americans will definitely send spetsdepeshu..in a corner of the letter will be OP ..
            Naive is ..

            In Alaska, there are a number of US military facilities, the largest of which is Elmendorf airbase near Anchorage.


            Ugu specifically for this airbase and will develop a ballistic missile ...
            Smishno
            A ballistic missile is being developed for a massive strike on particularly important targets.

            Now for a month the duty forces of the Strategic Missile Forces with the PGRK "went to the fields" - where are they? Ahren know!?


            Pro surveillance satellites heard ?? ..
            Ahren knows - this is about the former scalpel ...
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 25 September 2015 16: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: Olezhek
              war with the sudden exchange of nuclear strikes ...

              ... comrade ...
              this is just one option to start the active phase of the war. Those. rather hypothetical ...

              Before the start of almost any war, the so-called "threatened period". The duration of his m. different, depends on the speed of mobilization of forces and means of the opposing parties. A lot of people who know what and how to do are prepared, spelled out and trained for it. If they announce ... They try to execute part of the events without registering.
              Wait, the unannounced escalation of these measures and events is taking place. And if you do not undertake certain contingent political efforts, everything will lead to an active phase of 3MB.
              So there are both means and possible maneuver by them, which the Supreme does.

              Pearl - “have you heard about surveillance satellites ?? ..” - it kills completely the possibility of serious reading of your opus and the subject of further discussions ...
              Not wanting to further destroy your amateurism in military affairs, I take my leave ...
              1. Olezhek
                Olezhek 25 September 2015 17: 04 New
                -3
                Before the start of almost any war comes the so-called. "threatened period". The duration of its m. different, depends on the speed of the possibilities of mobilizing the forces and means of the opposing sides. A lot of people are prepared for it, prescribed and trained.


                This is if a massive invasion is planned then yes ...
                Sudden nuclear strike - does not require mass mobilization ..
                Alas, ah .. A limited number of people
                (which is already involved in peacetime)
                Intelligence can calculate and may not be in time ..
                There will be one chance ...

                Do not confuse conventional war with a sudden nuclear missile strike - otherwise - why do we need Perimeter ??

                Pearl - “have you heard about surveillance satellites ?? ..” - it kills completely the possibility of serious reading of your opus and the subject of further discussions ...

                Colleague - if it is time for you to prepare chemistry lessons, I, too, will probably bow out ..

                But you can even hide a small tank from a satellite - if it's real
                HID, Complexes like rolling Topol can not be hidden -
                it is a huge mobile radiating piece of iron in its modern world for a long time impossible to hide in any way.
                Well, unless in Skolkovo something dug ...
                1. Colonel
                  Colonel 25 September 2015 18: 26 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Olezhek
                  Complexes like movable Poplars cannot be hidden

                  Maybe. HOW is the second question. And at the expense of "surveillance satellites." In addition to the question "what to look for", there are still questions "where to look" and "how to search." Search on the internet about kihole, about lacrosse, about ferret. Take an interest in how panoramic shooting differs from "vnadir" shooting and so on ...
                  1. Olezhek
                    Olezhek 25 September 2015 20: 30 New
                    0
                    Again:
                    for a long time
                    feel the difference ????
                    Well, this is how we can lie on the bottom of a reliable hut ...
                    But sooner or later we will be calculated ... Sooner or later ...
                    And in this case - yes, there are means of disguise (no matter what)
                    But there is a means of detection ..
                    And the complex is not a submarine - it is on the surface ..
                    I would put on detection tools ... sooner or later they will find it ..
                    It is better to be alive paranoid than a dead optimist ..
                  2. Olezhek
                    Olezhek 25 September 2015 20: 44 New
                    0
                    If 21 June 41 was a foreign military attache (for example, from Argentina)
                    I would say to the Soviet aircraft commanders that the Red Army aviation would very quickly be overwhelmed by the Luftwaffe — they would not laugh politely .... well, or they would have spat in their faces ...
                    I would be on the safe side just in case. the worst option namely nm that
                    Americans have something in store "up their sleeve"
                    and that mobile complexes will be quickly calculated and destroyed ..
      2. Talgat
        Talgat 25 September 2015 20: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Rus2012

        The minimum launch range of even the old Poplar from 1000 km. And in general, any ICBM can hit at medium range, up to 5tkm!


        There are details - little things - and the "devil", as you know, is in them

        Unfortunately, when an ICBM hits medium-range it is forced to fly along a high path - and is vulnerable to missile defense

        Perhaps that’s why they introduce new modifications of Yarsov like this Boundary to fly to Europe as a normal medium-range BR - and along a low trajectory
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 25 September 2015 16: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Olezhek
      So while nothing is clear ...

      In addition to the United States, there is also China and Europe. Or is Europe hoping to sit aside? Actually, a potential adversary is a NATO bloc. In England, France also has nuclear weapons
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 25 September 2015 20: 51 New
        0
        About Europe, I have already unsubscribed.
        At the moment, China is an ally.
  8. veksha50
    veksha50 25 September 2015 11: 15 New
    +4
    "Inspection trip of foreign experts will allow to solve some legal issues, after which a new intercontinental missile will be able to go to the troops"...

    How to decipher this casuistry ??? How is visiting the Amer specialists of our enterprise connected with the possibility of sending a new product to the troops ???

    In the mid-late 80s, when ours and Amers exchanged inspection trips in order to control the strategic nuclear forces, almost all showed amers to us, and ours didn’t give a damn ... They will arrive, they will sit at the base, they will take out - almost from a distance the complex they will show - and then - they will be taken to some super market ...

    My neighbor (he served at the Nuclear Safety Center at that time) came from such a business trip and just groaned and gasped, talked about the supermarket, and how many brands of cars are on sale ...

    We ask him (all the neighbors gathered, for a glass of tea - interesting after all !!!) - well, what about the products ??? But nothing ... For almost two weeks they sat at the base, listened to lecture reports and watched presentations ...

    At this time, the same Amer’s commissions were admitted to the Strategic Rocket Forces everywhere, wherever it was possible and not possible ...

    CONCLUSION: There is nothing for these "inspectors" to do at the Votkinsk plant, even close to the checkpoint ...
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 25 September 2015 12: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: veksha50
      some legal issues

      this means - they will show the performance characteristics (the launch telemetry has already been transferred to Kura), poke in the eyes and count the number of steps on the fingers so that the 3,14ndos are clearly notified and give the signature of the PC-26 being assigned to the ICBM!
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 25 September 2015 14: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Rus2012
        this means they will show the performance characteristics (the telemetry of the launch on Kura has already been transmitted),



        Telemetry always went under the vulture top secret ...

        That’s what I’m talking about - how long are we going to lay them out on a silver platter, report back, reveal ourselves ???
    2. Colonel
      Colonel 25 September 2015 14: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: veksha50
      Almost almost two weeks they sat at the base, listened to lecture reports and watched presentations.

      The working time of the group of inspectors is 36 hours. I did not go to the States, but in Russia I worked and communicated with the guys who inspected the States as part of the commissions. At the expense of supermarkets you speak in vain. Not that contingent. I think your neighbor was not objective.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 25 September 2015 14: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: colonel
        At the expense of supermarkets you speak in vain. Not that contingent. I think your neighbor was not objective.



        As far as I understand, we are from the same system ... So, I’m not talking about combat units, but talking about representatives of the Central Research Institute and the General Staff ... And I’m saying that he not only told me personally, but also told his neighbors and laid out a bunch of newspapers and magazines ... And how easy it was for the deputy minister of defense to arrive at the base, without any ceremony, in plain style, spent a couple of hours and also left ...

        After that, they were shown two missiles in the arsenal (not at the launcher), they didn’t see anything else ... For how much they bought - I don’t sell for so much, but just telling ...
        The teller who was telling at that time was already there, a young lieutenant colonel, and not everyone was selected for this group ... Was there any sense for him to rosin our brain ???
        However, I know that their instructors were shown much more with us than ours - with them ...
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 25 September 2015 14: 39 New
        0
        Quote: colonel
        I think your neighbor was not objective.

        ... rather, he drove the "legend" wassat drinks
        1. Colonel
          Colonel 25 September 2015 16: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Rus2012
          he drove the "legend

          Not excluded. One inspector from the other side, a Croat by nationality, called Eric, if I am not mistaken, also persecuted a legend. After being initiated into rocket launchers (a soldier’s mug of hydrolytic juice and brown bread with lard), he forgot which way the door on the pot opens and shouted that he was walled up. Everything happened after the briefing, so the case was not given an official move. bully drinks After that inspection, the myth of non-drinkers was handed over to the archive.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 25 September 2015 16: 47 New
            0
            Quote: colonel
            After initiation "into rockets" (hydrolysis juice soldier and black bread with lard) forgot which way the door opens on the pot and shouted that he was walled up.



            This test is not for them ...

            PS I remember how, in about 84, I poured half a mug of hydrashka and spread it with liquid from a taken soldier’s faceted carafe ... Who knew - was silent and held my breath ... Mdyayayayaya ... And there, in the carafe, there was also a hydrashka ...

            True, neither I nor the pranksters were laughed ... There wasn’t any water nearby !!! Everything was completely filled with alcohol !!! Even a kettle !!!
            1. Colonel
              Colonel 25 September 2015 18: 34 New
              0
              Quote: veksha50
              Even a kettle !!!

              I am outraged. It was in those years that they were forced to hand over the product (or rather its leftovers) after the regulations, even to the ZAS. Had to draw up acts of "tampon consumption" repeat
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 25 September 2015 21: 07 New
                0
                Quote: colonel
                Had to draw up acts of "tampon consumption"



                According to the acts, everything was fine ... Only on that day the owner of the premises was handed over with a "gift" from the TRB ... He poured it wherever he could without warning those whom he called ...

                PS And the times were harsh ... Gorbach’s struggle with drunkenness ... the reporting for alcohol is harsh ... We called him "liquid dollar" then - for a flask of alcohol, the devil knows what he could get in a civilian ...
                1. Colonel
                  Colonel 25 September 2015 21: 29 New
                  0
                  Quote: veksha50
                  times were harsh

                  1988, Mirny (aka Plesetsk), Orion Hotel, tavern. Only Pinocchio and tea were on the table. There is a formidable patrol at the door. I am ashamed to admit, but, in the rank of captain, he poured the product under the table. They were young, stupid.
      3. Rriv
        Rriv 25 September 2015 20: 21 New
        0
        By the way, yesterday morning, the "partners" inspected the Kaliningrad region.
        1. Colonel
          Colonel 25 September 2015 21: 30 New
          0
          Most likely, they searched for Iskenders in the Open Skies. The Strategic Missile Forces are not there.
  9. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 25 September 2015 13: 10 New
    +1
    He put the article a minus due to the fact that the Americans will come again and ours will again be .... show the latest and moreover secret technology. Although it turns out secret for the people and not secret for the enemy. But what is this done? When will this mess in the country end? Why are not the “treaties” that humiliate our country? Why until now, the "treaties" signed by the traitors Gorbachev and others are acting against us? The US dictatorship is evident and there is no need to dissuade what they say and we go there. Not once, nor anywhere, in any information did they write about it. And in the media what going on, the technology didn’t have time to graduate, and the performance characteristics were already painted. Is this, KPP, stupidity or betrayal? Or do they make us consider Americans to be fools? By no means, they are not d.u.r.aki.This is not a stupid and powerful enemy, and you don’t need to make IDDs of them. Now all telemetry, testing, development everything is controlled by intelligence. And we do not have the USSR, where secrecy was at a very high level, not like now. In all respects, this is another betrayal of our interests.
    1. Pbs
      Pbs 25 September 2015 13: 36 New
      +3
      Specifically, there is no betrayal. All these contracts and inspections are fiction of pure water and give nothing to anyone. I myself am from Udmurtia and I know how these inspections drive - they will show that the missile is long, round, slip lime characteristics and send them back. As long as they can derive at least some benefit from the agreements, they will not refuse them.

      Which does not exclude the fact that in other areas of betrayal and the discharge of the interests of the country more than enough.
  10. Olezhek
    Olezhek 25 September 2015 16: 54 New
    +2
    Missile attack on Europe: myth or reality?


    That was such an article by Vladimir Yevseyev.
    Thanks to the author by the way.

    So, unlike some mysterious and ambitious third-world countries - Russia has everything very
    Really.
    In general, today the situation is beginning to resemble 80-s to some extent.
    Although of course no situation is repeated one to one.

    In the 80, medium-range missiles in Europe were a very serious confrontation.
    Pershing vs Pioneer
    Iskander-M against Pershing-2 Kaptsov
    a little about that ..

    Unfortunately, it was not possible to overcome the confrontation, except that his line was pushed to the east ...
    And it seems we are starting to return to our sheep ...
    What would not like categorically by the way - I would like Europe to really be a zone of cooperation

    Does not work... request

    The reason - the Americans decided to extract a maximum of buns from their advance to the east.
    Including in the field of missile defense ...

    You understand that Russia has no plans for tank shots to the English Channel.
    American heavy equipment, even in Poland, is not very scary for us - given the combat capability of their land army.
    But the movement to the east of missile systems and aircraft - carriers of tactical nuclear weapons - all sharply sharpens ...

    By the way, the fear of Poland before the “Russian invasion” is complete nonsense - Russia is expensive
    to fully invade Europe - the maintenance of such an army will destroy us very quickly ...
    As the USSR ruined in many ways ..

    Russia and is not going to create it - not enough soldiers or money or equipment ..
    So "the full-scale clash with NATO 142 million Russia inevitably fast enough
    goes on rails exchange missile strikes ... am
    (The US Army is also not the Wehrmacht never - and will not invade columns)

    What nafig "occupation of Europe"?
    Only "radio" .. in full.

    And here I am absolutely incomprehensible to the enthusiasm of Europeans ...
  11. Old26
    Old26 25 September 2015 18: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Engineer
    Faq To whom? What for? Are you out of your mind?

    To whom? Our "sworn friends" according to the provisions of START-3

    Quote: Aspeed
    De Gaulle had seen enough of Russian hospitality and left NATO just in case

    In fact, do not repeat Internet tales. The decision to withdraw from NATO was made in April, and we had it in July-August

    Quote: Olezhek
    Pro surveillance satellites heard ?? ..

    They listened, but with them to find APB in the BSPP, especially if you do not know where this BSPP is - it is the same as looking for a needle in a haystack.

    Quote: Brummbar
    Why show her to Amers? God forbid, of course, but if anything, they will see her anyway

    It is shown for a reason. A and in the "state" on the stage

    Quote: Tambov Wolf
    He put the article a minus due to the fact that the Americans will come again and ours will again be .... show the latest and moreover secret technology. Although it turns out secret for the people and not secret for the enemy. But what is this done? When will this mess in the country end? Why are not the “treaties” that humiliate our country? Why until now, "treaties" signed by traitors Gorbachev and others act against us?

    Prefer us to either go broke in an arms race or lose independence? Well, we will break the contracts, so what? We "give out" half a year of missiles of all types a year. And if you break the contract, they will increase the number of missiles and we will find ourselves in deep railway. One of our warheads will have a dozen American and NATO, for each of our missiles - from five of them. So what?

    Quote: Rus2012
    For all that, PGRK, if necessary, by the Ruslans can easily be transferred anywhere - even to Chukotka, even to Novaya Zemlya, even to Vladik and Kamchatka ...

    I must upset you, most likely they won’t (you need to look at the dimensions of the cargo compartment). And not because of the weight of the installation, but because of the dimensions of the installation ...
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 25 September 2015 22: 51 New
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      Quote: Old26
      I must upset you, most likely they won’t (you need to look at the dimensions of the cargo compartment). And not because of the weight of the installation, but because of the dimensions of the installation ...

      ... as a rule, TK lays down the requirement to ensure transportation by aircraft. And no one canceled them ...
  12. Mestny
    Mestny 25 September 2015 20: 14 New
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    Quote: KingDino
    swinging a nuclear club with a subsequent kuzkin mother already passed, right? Is the memory short?

    Who?
    You read the question, there are a lot of materials on the net.
    It turns out that the same club helped us then in half with the "Kuz'kin mother". And “we make rockets like sausages on a conveyor belt” also helped.
  13. Olezhek
    Olezhek 25 September 2015 21: 04 New
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    And also the “invisible from the satellites” mobile rocket complexes
    During WWII, Americans actively read German and Japanese encryption (they say little about this)
    so here and for beer lovers and for sushi fans it was absolute by surprise ....
    Split the Enigma ??? Never in my life !!!
    Laugh at the foolish enemy better after victory and not before the war ...
  14. Old26
    Old26 25 September 2015 21: 42 New
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    Quote: Talgat
    Unfortunately, when an ICBM hits medium-range it is forced to fly along a high path - and is vulnerable to missile defense

    In fact, in the concept of ICBMs there is no such division, high trajectory, low. There is a standard ballistic trajectory and there is a so-called quasi-ballistic (which is really low) and can be 5 times (at least) lower than the usual, “classical” trajectory. But she’s very energy consuming and ranges fall about the same amount.
    The "average", or rather, the minimum range of ICBMs is achieved in completely different ways. Just going to zero traction last stage. And this is achieved simply. Explosions "cut through" windows in the staircase ...

    Quote: veksha50
    so amers showed us almost everything, but ours - never mind ...

    Nonsense. Showed and ours. Or the number of even covers on the CP showed from a distance, so that ours could not count them?

    Quote: veksha50
    Telemetry has always gone under the heading top secret ...

    But at the same time, the protocol of the agreement contained a provision on the non-encryption of telemetry

    Quote: veksha50
    CONCLUSION: There is nothing for these "inspectors" to do at the Votkinsk plant, even close to the checkpoint ...

    And they have not been there for several years. And the show will not be on the factory floor

    Quote: Olezhek
    During WWII, Americans actively read German and Japanese ciphers (little is said about this) so for beer lovers and sushi lovers it was an absolute surprise .... To split Enigma ??? Yes, never in my life !!!

    "Enigma" the English hit the German submarine, plus one of the creators, the EMNIP Pole gave data by nationality. And even then they didn’t do it right away and didn’t immediately start reading. The Japanese - yes, the Americans read the encryption, but this did not help them with Pearl Harbor. They read the last encryption sheets when Japanese bombs fell on Harbor.
    As for modern satellites, you should not idealize their capabilities. It’s one thing when they took pictures of our launchers, especially in the PDD, when they were shown to the same inspectors before going to the training position, and quite another, even with the current satellite parameters "discover" and most importantly, identify the launcher, which takes all camouflage measures and does not move during the passage of satellites ...
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 25 September 2015 22: 22 New
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      "Enigma" the English got from the German submarine, plus one of the creators, EMNIP Pole by nationality gave the data. And even then they didn’t immediately do it and didn’t immediately start reading.


      You know, I know, but who cares about it now ?, who cares how to get access to
      enemy ciphers? This is technology.


      У
      Japanese - yes, the Americans read the encryption, but it did not help them with Pearl Harbor. The last sheets of encryption they read when Japanese bombs fell on Harbor.


      Sorry to Shock Suddenly with "Bombs Falling on Pearl Harbor"
      You can only mentally retarded American.
      I am honestly fed up with this pearl chewing gum.
      There was a lot of ischo in the Pacific, but Americans have a short memory stack ..
  15. Old26
    Old26 25 September 2015 21: 54 New
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    Quote: veksha50
    We then called him "liquid dollar" - for a flask of alcohol, the devil knows what it was possible to get on a civilian ...

    Yes, that's for sure. It took a lot of “little things” (0,7-mm drills seem to be 1 mm and the like. Plus taps and lehrs of this size. For 0,5 they “pushed” so much iron that they could barely drag them away. Then, on business trips, I wondered where to get drill if it suddenly breaks
  16. mvg
    mvg 25 September 2015 22: 37 New
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    What are they writing about? What combat use? If it even comes to the BATTLE use of at least the RS-24, at least the RS-26 will already be on the contracts, sorry for the expression, do not care ... And the survivors will be units, mostly yellow and black .. This is if the planet does not fly off the coils .. What massive nuclear strike is being discussed? Yes, it’s better to straighten everything at us, you don’t have to fly anywhere. There are small pluses - we will immediately go to the forefathers, and the whole world - gradually, but steadily ... nuclear weapons are a deterrent, not a military use. The generals all want to play war games, they lack the Word of Tanks ..
  17. Old26
    Old26 25 September 2015 22: 39 New
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    Quote: Olezhek
    Sorry, suddenly shocked with "bombs falling on Pearl Harbor" can only be mentally retarded American.

    This is not about shocking. And the fact that even having access to Japanese ciphers, the Americans were trite late.

    Quote: Olezhek
    I know, but who cares now ?, who cares HOW access to the enemy’s ciphers was obtained? This is already a technology.

    Knowledge of this technology helps (or can help) thinking people understand that it’s not worth talking sometimes about cap-making. Yes, they read, but precisely because of how they got access. Well, in principle, the topic is not about that, but about the RS-26. We’ll see in a couple of months, infa will probably leak out, what is this missile, what is its APU. Well, then we will draw "far-reaching" conclusions
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 26 September 2015 09: 37 New
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      In this case, not so important as or that from this followed.
      These are interesting but related questions.
      In this case, it doesn’t matter to us how the ciphers were broken and how this knowledge was later used is avoiding the topic.
      It is important that the enemy intelligence does not sleep.
      And in combat planning, we must proceed from the fact that it has certain achievements -
      for example, opening plans for operational deployment of complexes,
      getting information about the parameters of the special communication ...
      Etc.
      Do not take Americans as idiots.
      Germany and Japan in 30 e 40 e years - world-class industrial and scientific powers.
      Everything depended on the ciphers - the Americans broke their ciphers ...
  18. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 25 September 2015 22: 42 New
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    [quote = Olezhek] If on June 21, 41 a foreign military attache (for example, from Argentina)
    I would say to the Soviet aircraft commanders that the Red Army aviation would very quickly be overwhelmed by the Luftwaffe — they would not laugh politely .... well, or they would have spat in their faces ...
    Spit in the face to the one who told you that the Red Army aviation was quickly crushed by Luftwaffe. Luftwaffe was full of other more important tasks than eliminating the mythical threat from the "Stalinist Falcons". We ourselves suppressed our aircraft when we sent a squadron after a squadron of bombers without fighter cover while fighters “selflessly” defended their airfields or, at best, sent to attack the advancing enemy troops, and at the slightest threat of encirclement threw airplanes and “relocated” to the rear, and the farther the better. Pokryshkin’s example is almost the only exception to this rule. So the Red Army aviation was crushed by Panzertruppen and a mess in control. Although if Luftwaffe is understood to mean their trophy teams that hosted the abandoned airfields, then your phrase may be correct.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 26 September 2015 09: 41 New
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      You know - a separate interesting topic - a lot has been written on this topic - HUNDREDS OF GOOD
      Books - I hope you do not want to make out this interesting question in 3 paragraphs?
  19. Old26
    Old26 26 September 2015 00: 30 New
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    Quote: Rus2012
    ... as a rule, TK lays down the requirement to ensure transportation by aircraft. And no one canceled them ...

    Yes I know. That's just in relation to the Start-up from the "Frontier" and "Ruslan". By weight and width it will pass. The question is in height. MZKT (Launcher "Poplar-Yars" has a height of about 3,2-3,5 meters. And this is without the "Product". Add a container with a diameter of 2,5 meters, partially "recessed" - HZ what will be the total height. And Ruslan’s compartment, it’s 4,4 meters. Can it fit there - HZ. In addition, in order to transfer the same division, the entire Ruslanov fleet may be needed. Again. The location of the new deployment should be geodesically equipped . Field positions must be created, their coordinates determined with high accuracy ... Of course, you can simply bring to any point, but what will be the effect
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 26 September 2015 09: 40 New
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      Quote: Old26
      And at the Ruslan compartment, it’s 4,4 meters. Will it fit there - HZ. In addition, in order to transfer the same division, the entire Ruslanov fleet may be needed.

      ... according to the logic of things, the R-26 launcher is by no means larger than the "Poplar", rather comparable to the "Pioneer". Transportation - TPK separately. Mb organized bases for early storage of the necessary equipment in a given place. Geodetic reference - not so critical anymore - is Glonas, there are ways and methods of autonomous automatic reference. For example, how in silos, the “attachment site" is restored in hardware after exposure to nuclear weapons factors.
      They used to look for buried "plates" ...
  20. Old26
    Old26 26 September 2015 10: 12 New
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    Quote: Rus2012
    ... according to the logic of things, the R-26 launcher is by no means larger than the "Poplar", rather comparable to the "Pioneer".

    It is difficult to say with what it is comparable. Show the rocket will be "sworn friends" to show the differences from the "Yars". But not APU.
    It is unlikely that she will be so smaller that she will have another APU, although HZ. A lot of copies on this subject are broken. There are currently 10 operational vehicles in the Air Force (according to Wiki). Separately PU, separately TPK - of course you can. But, you still need a paradise of cars. For example, a transport and transshipment unit for loading on the APU, you need some cranes, and enough lifting capacity to lift the container on the TPA (there may of course be such a crane at the destination, or maybe not). Plus a combat control vehicle, plus ... Plus, hell knows what. Moreover, in any case, you will need the PKP division. As a result, this “herd of cars” cannot be transported in one go.

    Yes, in the presence of navigation and positioning systems, equipped positions are not so critical, but still desirable, because even now they are used ....

    Quote: Rus2012
    They used to look for buried "plates" ...

    "Monoliths"
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 26 September 2015 10: 51 New
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      Quote: Old26
      transport and handling unit

      TPK - as banned under the INF Treaty, it did not seem to be “legalized” later. "Poplars" do without them ...
      It was TPK that led 3,14 of endos to enuresis and diarrhea, because allowed in their opinion to quickly turn-reload the Pioneer instead of the European strategy 15ж45, into a strategist with ICBMs 15ж42, "getting" their "trickster" :)

      I agree - "Monoliths"
  21. Old26
    Old26 26 September 2015 17: 33 New
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    Quote: Rus2012
    TPK - as banned under the INF Treaty, it did not seem to be “legalized” later. "Poplars" do without them ...

    ?????? Shipping and launch containers? Banned? According to the INF Treaty ??? Do not believe it.
    Especially since “Topol”, no, even with “Tempa-2C” our medium and intercontinental range missiles - exclusively in transport and launch containers ...
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 26 September 2015 21: 33 New
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      Quote: Old26
      ?????? Shipping and launch containers?

      TPA - a transport and handling unit was banned under the INF Treaty. There is a typo ... sorry.
  22. Old26
    Old26 26 September 2015 22: 44 New
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    Quote: Rus2012
    TPA - a transport and handling unit was banned under the INF Treaty. There is a typo ... sorry.

    Slightly incorrectly worded. The transport and transshipment unit 15T116, designed for complexes 15P645 / 645K / 653/656, that is, for the "Pioneers" and "Gorn" were destroyed by the EMNIP according to the provisions of the agreement under the INF Treaty, and TPA itself was not prohibited. Only specifically these TPA. Now there are transport-mobile machines (aggregates) for the Topol, Topol-M PGRK and further
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 27 September 2015 09: 15 New
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      Quote: Old26
      transport-mobile machines (aggregates) for PGRK "Topol", "Topol-M"

      ... alas, there are none :(
      All overloads are done in other ways (type 15Т333 - stationary means of overload).
  23. Old26
    Old26 27 September 2015 11: 38 New
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    Quote: Rus2012
    All overloads are done in other ways (type 15Т333 - stationary means of overload).

    As far as I remember, under the OSV-2 agreement there was a ban only on the means of high-speed reloading of launchers. IMHO the destruction of TPA 15T116 entailed the impossibility of high-speed reloading of the launcher for Topol, and the 15T116 machine was just that, providing precisely high-speed reloading.
    Transport and handling, as well as transport and installation units were and are. It is possible that the Topol complex did not have high-speed reloading facilities, but there were other reloading machines. In particular, there was a 15T284M transport and handling unit, designed for delivery and transshipment of products already to the installer TPK 15U165 (UTPK-2). True, the latter is exclusively for placing TPK in the mines. And the 15T420 transport and reloading machine was already intended for PGRK 15P155, that is, for Poplar-M. In fact, the topic is quite interesting, if anything, write in a personal discussion, so as not to clog the topic "Frontier"