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The United States prepared for retaliatory action in the event that the Russian Federation withdraws from the INF Treaty

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Spokesman for the US Under Secretary of State Rose Goethemuller, Alexander Bell, said that the United States and the allied countries were prepared to respond if Russia withdraws from the Medium and Shorter Missile Treaty (INF).


“While the United States wants to avoid returning to the past, the United States and its allies will act in such a way as to prevent Russia's military advantage if the violations (RSDM) continue,” the spokesman told Sputnik RIA "News".

Earlier, the head of the Federation Council’s Defense and Security Committee, Viktor Ozerov, said that by deploying new nuclear weapons on its territory, Germany could push Russia to withdraw from the INF. This statement was made after a message appeared on the German television channel ZDF, citing documents from the US budget department, about the start of preparations for the deployment of new American B61-12 nuclear bombs in the territory aviation Bundeswehr Büchel base in the German federal state of Rhineland-Palatinate.

The German Defense Ministry refused to comment on these reports, and a Pentagon spokesman told Sputnik in an interview that the United States did not believe that they were involved in the violation of any nuclear agreements. arms.

Recently, from the Russian Federation and the United States are increasingly heard allegations of the development of weapons falling under the INF Treaty, which was signed by the United States and the USSR in 1987 year. Russia and the United States began to consult on this issue 11 September in Moscow. According to their results, the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation stated that there was no satisfactory data from the Washington side on the questions raised.
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  1. Alekseev-Orsk
    Alekseev-Orsk 24 September 2015 08: 29 New
    +7
    Pentagon spokesman in an interview with Sputnik noted that the United States does not believe that they are involved in the violation of any nuclear weapons treaties.


    Oh you can’t believe Amers ... There is no faith to them !!!
    1. jjj
      jjj 24 September 2015 08: 33 New
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      In fact, both Americans and we are looking for a reason to painlessly withdraw from these treaties. The redivision of the world requires free hands. And, I believe, we have something to please the world with.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 24 September 2015 09: 33 New
        +9
        Quote: jjj
        In fact, both Americans and we are looking for a reason to painlessly withdraw from these treaties.

        ... in fact, 3,14ndos "breaks the fences." We have to answer. It's not even that ...
        The answer to the western rabble in the form of input to the database on its territory (and coastal waters) of the sea-based KR of the Caliber type (1,2-2tys.km) and Iskander, even the RS-26 Boundary, is a weak move. For it affects only “weak-willed and not sovereign” geyrops, and the main foreign “mastermind” - remains unplanned ...
        Therefore, there should be an adequate and symmetrical move - made and close to the "trick" of the PRTB (for schoolchildren, Field Repair and Technical Brigades 12GUMO). There are options - Venezuela, Nicaragua ... and Cuba. Naturally with carriers ... like Su-34. Moreover, the devices may well be controlled by the pilots of the armies of these countries. A PRTB at hand, under the protection of the RF Armed Forces. In some cases, there may well be “Iskanders,” for the time being in “ordinary equipment”. Well, the base for the submarine with the "Caliber" ...
        This will be an adequate and symmetrical move. Not so tender and expensive ...
        1. skeket
          skeket 24 September 2015 10: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Rus2012
          The answer to the western rabble in the form of input to the database on its territory (and coastal waters) of the sea-based KR of the Caliber type (1,2-2 thousand km) and Iskander, even the RS-26 Frontier, is a weak move

          Quote: Rus2012
          There are options - Venezuela, Nicaragua ... and Cuba. Naturally with carriers ... Type Su-34. Moreover, the devices may well be controlled by the pilots of the armies of these countries. A PRTB at hand, under the protection of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. In some cases, there may well be "Iskanders", for the time being in "ordinary equipment". Well, the base for the submarine with the "Caliber" ...

          Sea and air-based missiles do not fall under the INF, so the Gauges are quite relevant, but the Iskander with special warheads, it’s just the same that can be brought under the agreement if their range is more than 500 km, which the Americans indicate.
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 24 September 2015 11: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: skeket
            if their range is more than 500 km, which the Americans indicate


            ... for information - Iskander-E has a range of 280km. Based in Cuba (up to the US coastline = 226km), allow to cover up to 60km of densely populated coast.
            Iskander-E - an export option, which may be LEGALLY delivered to Cuba.
            Nearby can be based the Russian PRTB with nuclear weapons for the Iskander RK. With the onset of the OP-VP - the nuclear warheads are transferred to the Cuban Revolutionary Armed Forces! Nuclear warheads for cruise missiles with a range of up to 280km of standard equipment of the Su-30, Su-24, and Su-34 of the Cuban Air Force can also be transferred with PRTB.
            Similarly, there are 3,14 endos in Europe (passing nuclear bombs to Germany, Belgium, Turkey). What are you talking about!
            What inna questions ?!
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 24 September 2015 13: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: Rus2012
              Iskander-E is an export version that can be LEGALLY delivered to Cuba.

              Would Cuba want to deploy our missiles?
            2. aleks700
              aleks700 24 September 2015 15: 15 New
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              Similarly, there are 3,14 endos in Europe (passing nuclear bombs to Germany, Belgium, Turkey). What are you talking about!
              Nuance. Germany, Turkey, Belgium are not afraid of sanctions. But Cuba still does not want them.
            3. skeket
              skeket 24 September 2015 15: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: Rus2012
              Iskander-E is an export version that can be LEGALLY delivered to Cuba.

              Quote: Rus2012
              Similarly, there are 3,14 endos in Europe (passing nuclear bombs to Germany, Belgium, Turkey). What are you talking about!
              What inna questions ?!

              The questions are that the penids today re-established diplomatic relations with Cuba and lifted the sanctions, tomorrow they will fill up with Snickers and legs, and the day after tomorrow the Cubans will yell that the Americans are their brothers forever ... What doesn’t it remind of?
        2. leo3972
          leo3972 24 September 2015 11: 32 New
          0
          We must again put medium- and short-range missiles in Cuba, and let the Americans bang their teeth in fear laughing
      2. marlin1203
        marlin1203 24 September 2015 11: 18 New
        +2
        Right! "To hell with the captain! I want to sleep in his cabin! .." laughing
      3. Vladimir 23rus
        Vladimir 23rus 28 September 2015 09: 09 New
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        The fact of the matter is that for us it does not work painlessly. The bright-striped ones lead to the fact that Russia violates and that means we will not comply. The problem is that they have almost half of the infrastructure ready (the so-called missile defense), and we have not yet begun to prepare (or maybe we don’t know what soldier )
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 24 September 2015 08: 35 New
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      What military advantage is there? Budgets are simply not comparable. They are twisting Russia’s arms and grandmothers into armaments are being kicked out of their government.
    4. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 24 September 2015 08: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Alekseev-Orsk
      Pentagon spokesman in an interview with Sputnik noted that the United States does not believe that they are involved in the violation of any nuclear weapons treaties.


      Oh you can’t believe Amers ... There is no faith to them !!!

      Let, for starters, be restored in the ABM agreement!
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 24 September 2015 09: 10 New
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        Well, they will answer, we will answer, we are not used to it. In general, the Americans are specifically dropping nuclear bombs into Germany, so that on this basis we would put Germany in sight, from here the German people will start to wind up against Russia. If anyone remembers, Stratfor said that for the complete encirclement of Russia, it remains to completely pull Germany to its side.
        1. Altona
          Altona 24 September 2015 11: 51 New
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          Quote: ZU-23
          Well, they will answer, we will answer, we are not used to it. In general, the Americans are specifically dropping nuclear bombs into Germany, so that on this basis we would put Germany in sight, from here the German people will start to wind up against Russia. If anyone remembers, Stratfor said that for the complete encirclement of Russia, it remains to completely pull Germany to its side.

          ---------------------
          China probably will not stand aside, it’s also no player now ... If the two nuclear powers stand ready to sweep away everything that moves from the planet, what kind of Silk Roads are there?
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    5. inkass_98
      inkass_98 24 September 2015 09: 07 New
      +8
      Quote: Alekseev-Orsk
      There is no faith to them !!!

      Yeah, and the editors have faith? Why is there a photo of Chinese technology in the article if it is a US-Russian treaty?
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 24 September 2015 10: 03 New
        +7
        So I was also surprised by the technology of the Middle Kingdom. belay
    6. Vend
      Vend 24 September 2015 09: 34 New
      0
      The United States prepared for retaliatory action in the event that the Russian Federation withdraws from the INF Treaty

      I am sure that they have prepared. Already rehearsed speech that the US is unhappy with Russia's withdrawal from the treaty.
      1. ASG7
        ASG7 24 September 2015 14: 23 New
        +1
        Yeah, Psaki is ready to go to work, tremble Russia. laughing
  2. hydrox
    hydrox 24 September 2015 08: 30 New
    +9
    But Russia does not withdraw from this Treaty :: it DECIDED that the Iskanders are in the legal space of this Treaty and therefore the States can only powerlessly observe an increase in the number of regiments armed with them ...
    Oh, sorry for the Oka, destroyed by the traitors of Russia ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 September 2015 08: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: hydrox
      Oh, sorry for the Oka, destroyed by the traitors of Russia ...

      And what prevents in the foreseeable future, when withdrawing from this agreement, to restore the production of OKI (with new electronics and an engine)? There is such a suspicion that long before today's fuss on these agreements, our analysts calculated this situation, and would not be surprised if of that moment in some design bureau they are not building, something like an OKI is only a back door, more powerful and more cunning.
      1. Arandir
        Arandir 24 September 2015 09: 05 New
        +7
        Iskander M is this, the evolutionary development of the Oka with new electronics and an engine. Hurry to restore the BZHRK with a "yars" or "border". Yes, several thermonuclear weapons of 200 megatons under the mainland of America, so that this muck is washed away.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 September 2015 09: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Arandir
          Iskander M is this, the evolutionary development of the Oka with new electronics and an engine.

          Yes, that’s true. But I’m talking about a new medium-range missile system, which will be better than Iskander and Oka, but who took all the best from them. hi
  3. Penetrator
    Penetrator 24 September 2015 08: 31 New
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    Judging by the photo to the article, the US’s response to the Russian Federation consists in the use of Chinese Hongqi-12 air defense systems laughing
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 24 September 2015 08: 34 New
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      Indeed, a photograph of Iskander alone is enough for these strategists to run to change diapers!
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 24 September 2015 08: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Penetrator
      use of Chinese fuel dispensers


      apparently yes ...

      but the experts clarify ... why on the cabs four eye bolts ... I already broke my head ... is it really for quick access to the engine?
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 24 September 2015 08: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: vorobey
        why on the cabs four eye bolts ... I already broke my head ... really for quick access to the engine?

        For quick change of calculation. Together with the cabin laughing
      2. Abbra
        Abbra 24 September 2015 08: 54 New
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        These are not eyebolts. These are miniature locators of the quasiquantum field "Tunju-129K".
    3. oberon 1
      oberon 1 24 September 2015 08: 46 New
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      I also noticed that the cars with Chinese rackets
  4. Name
    Name 24 September 2015 08: 35 New
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    Here are the children of ungulates, but ... they can build up, and Russia should be in the indicated "stall". GMO radishes. Well, okay:
  5. theadenter
    theadenter 24 September 2015 08: 38 New
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    They provoke themselves, and then they grumble themselves that we are supposedly inadequately reacting.

    No need to withdraw from the INF Treaty. But it is necessary to provide for new missiles the possibility of such an application after a minimal modernization, in case the agreement does fly into the ballot box.
  6. vovanpain
    vovanpain 24 September 2015 08: 38 New
    +9
    The actions of minke whales resemble the immortal. Not my fault, he himself came.
  7. Oman 47
    Oman 47 24 September 2015 08: 41 New
    +3
    Under the rule of Sarai Smoked with the Americans about disarmament talk - stupid.
    A dialogue with the West is possible only with a weighty DUBINA in hand.
    Glory to Gd, the Kremlin clearly understands this.
    It was with the corrupt stsuke Gorbat (burn it in hell!) It was possible to cut the Pioneers.
  8. kamski
    kamski 24 September 2015 08: 47 New
    +3
    the flight time of cruise and ballistic missiles to Moscow from Ukraine, and there is no doubt that these systems will be there only a few minutes. Therefore, it doesn’t matter what the United States will continue to do, the main thing is that our "STRATEGIC PARTNERS" were sure that there would be more than enough short and medium-range missiles from Russia. Even taking into account the fact that a part will be shot down ABM our “STRATEGIC PARTNERS” must be sure that their existence will cease.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 September 2015 08: 52 New
    0
    The United States does not believe that it is involved in the violation of any nuclear weapons treaties.

    Usa listen and ears fade. They are always so white and fluffy against the background of Russia.
  10. narval20
    narval20 24 September 2015 08: 52 New
    +2
    Again threats ...
    Again, mutual buildup of weapons of all kinds ...
    WE LIVE WHERE ANYTHING WILL BE QUIET !? am
  11. tyras85
    tyras85 24 September 2015 08: 53 New
    +1
    Stop the provocation! Depart from the border with the Russian Federation. Play up! It will be necessary, we will leave the Agreement, without fail!
  12. Russia
    Russia 24 September 2015 08: 54 New
    +3
    The dog barks, and the Iskander stands, the Mace is ready, the poplars are planted ...
  13. sergej30003
    sergej30003 24 September 2015 09: 07 New
    +4
    The United States is doing everything so that nothing is left of its vassals, hoping to sit out overseas, in the event of a nuclear war, on the European continent
  14. remy
    remy 24 September 2015 09: 25 New
    +2
    It is necessary to clearly draw a line.
    Germany is not a nuclear country!
    Any attempt to deploy nuclear / thermonuclear weapons on its territory will be thwarted!
    By delivering a preventive nuclear strike!
    Europeans must understand this very clearly!
    without any jokes!
  15. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
    Vladimir Pozlnyakov 24 September 2015 09: 26 New
    0
    The trouble is in the Golden Billion doctrine and the desire to seize Siberia, the only place where life will survive (?) In the event of a nuclear war or the explosion of the Yoluston volcano!
  16. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 24 September 2015 09: 27 New
    +2
    But the GMO experts promised to withdraw all their nuclear weapons overseas, but in fact they announced the deployment of new “smart nuclear bombs” in Germany, which actually blur the line between INF and strategic nuclear missiles. But if these “political fraudsters” begin, bypassing everything agreements, to conduct their vile game, why should Russia adhere to this enslaving treaty? After all, the "mattresses", ignoring anyone and nothing, just got out of the agreement on missile defense, and are we "redheads"? No guys, I still believe that the GDP carefully monitors all this and the "adequate" answer is most likely ready (as is the case with the US withdrawing from the ABM treaty)! And for the greater convincingness of our serious intentions, just take and place a little Iskander somewhere near by the “stripes”, well, at least in Cuba or Nicaragua (there they are needed to protect the new channel, which will be built instead of Panama)! Oh, and our “rainbow” absolutely “not partners” will go out to the “guano”! As for Europe, it has long been “thrown at stake” by players from Washington and its fate is a foregone conclusion and deplorable if their rulers do not come to their senses in time!
  17. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 24 September 2015 09: 39 New
    0
    The United States prepared for retaliatory action in the event that the Russian Federation withdraws from the INF Treaty

    and someone will explain what the Chinese military equipment is here (pictured) ?!
  18. bsk_mna54
    bsk_mna54 24 September 2015 09: 42 New
    0
    is nya going to go back in time ??? Yes, they are already there. And how many times have they been in the past: waging wars around the world, missile defense, the creation of barbarian organizations that feed on human blood and other barbarism. And you say that they can return to the past !! ??
  19. Old26
    Old26 24 September 2015 10: 07 New
    -1
    Quote: inkass_98
    Yeah, and the editors have faith? Why is there a photo of Chinese technology in the article if it is a US-Russian treaty?

    Moreover, a photograph of the Chinese anti-aircraft complex HQ-12 is placed

    Quote: NEXUS
    And what prevents in the foreseeable future, upon withdrawing from this agreement, to restore the production of OKI

    And what for, when is the Iskander?

    Quote: Arandir
    Yes, several thermonuclear weapons of 200 megatons under the mainland of America, so that this muck is washed away.

    Forget it. If 50 megatons weighed under 30 tons, how much will 200 megatons weigh. In addition, this is the biggest stupidity to use them for mining. Regular maintenance how will you conduct ???

    Quote: kamski
    the main thing is that our "STRATEGIC PARTNERS" were sure that the flight from Russia was more than a sufficient number of short- and medium-range missiles.

    But this is problematic and even very. Russia is not the USSR and is not capable of producing in the same quantity as the Union
  20. Old26
    Old26 24 September 2015 10: 08 New
    0
    Quote: tyras85
    It will be necessary, we will leave the Agreement, without fail!

    And we will be at the same time the very last fools ...
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  22. made13
    made13 24 September 2015 10: 09 New
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    In fact, this statement suggests that the United States withdrew from the treaty unilaterally. If they ALREADY have something to answer, then most likely they never followed it.
  23. Old26
    Old26 24 September 2015 10: 24 New
    -8
    Quote: remy
    It is necessary to clearly draw a line. Germany is not a nuclear country! Any attempt to deploy nuclear / thermonuclear weapons on its territory will be thwarted by a preventive nuclear strike! Europeans must understand this very clearly! Without any jokes!

    The thing is that it turns out the use of double standards. While the GDR, Poland, Czechoslovakia were in the Warsaw Pact, our tactical nuclear weapons were concentrated in their territories, we trained the pilots and rocket launchers of these countries to use these weapons, in which case to transfer nuclear weapons to the national air forces and missile units. And that was considered normal. Training was not considered a violation of the agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Yes, these countries were then under the scrutiny of NATO intelligence, and such goals should have been hit in the first place.

    And we did not take a steam bath that Poland, Czechoslovakia and the German Democratic Republic are not nuclear countries. It was necessary - they kept their nuclear weapons there, without violating the nuclear-free status of these states (they did not have these weapons in service) This was quite normal.

    Now we are raising a wild squeal on this subject and accusing the Americans of violating all conceivable and inconceivable treaties.

    Yes, the Americans are going to add about 20 bombs to the arsenal in Germany. True, I wonder how they plan to do this in the 3rd quarter of 2015, when the funds for testing this version of the bomb - B-61 mod. 12 allocated until fiscal year 2018 inclusive.

    This will not change the balance in Europe. In the amount that is - 50-110 at the airbase Lakenhin 20 at the airbase Klein-Bruegl, 20 at the airbase Folkel, 20 on a / b Buchel, 50 on Aviano и 40 on Gedi Torre, 50-90 on a / b in Ingerlike add more 20 to Buchel.
    Each nuclear carrier carrier aircraft takes 1-2 bombs, usually 2. That is, the BC will be added to another 10 aircraft ...

    Quote: Helgi4
    Itself violates everything .... ... It surrounded Russia with military bases, conducts its military exercises in the Baltic states, right on the border with Russia ... With a state like America, you must terminate ALL AGREEMENTs!

    I must say that None AGREEMENT The United States did not violate strategic arms, as if we did not want to assume that they did not comply with the treaties. Military exercises - and where to conduct, especially with the Baltic countries or Poland? In Africa?.
    If our ZVO conducts its exercises, does it conduct them in the east of the country, away from NATO countries? No, close, just like them. This is one of the ways of psychological pressure, old as the world, and we all resent that it never happened ...
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 24 September 2015 11: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      The thing is that it turns out the use of double standards.

      Have you drank coffee instead of coffee in the morning?
      The Warsaw Treaty Organization (ATS) was created on May 14, 1955 in response to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO of April 4, 1949.
      On February 25, 1991, the ATS member states abolished its military structures, and on July 1, 1991 in Prague signed the Protocol on the complete termination of the Treaty.
      In which former participant of the internal affairs department does Russia locate and maintain bases with "nuclear weapons", and indeed, just common arms garrisons ?!
      Where are the double standards ?!
      Quote: Old26
      I must say that no US strategic arms treaty has been violated

      Well, then you can clearly see everything from your "mole dugout".
      And NATO stands still and Russia drags its infrastructure to the borders of NATO members, YES!?
      Quote: Old26
      our tactical nuclear weapons were concentrated in their territories, we trained the pilots and rocket launchers of these countries to use these weapons, in which case to transfer nuclear weapons to the national air forces and missile units.

      Yes, you not only drink strange, but still not understandable breathe.
      After the "Prague Spring" with great caution, new samples were delivered to the participants of the Department of Internal Affairs. In the case of “kipish”, the USSR would have enough GBV to resolve issues on the European theater of operations. For the rest, there were divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces in the USSR.
      Quote: Old26
      Yes, the Americans are going to add about 20 bombs to the arsenal in Germany. True, I wonder how they plan to do this in the 3rd quarter of 2015, when the funds for testing this version of the bomb - B-61 mod.12 were allocated until fiscal year 2018 inclusive.

      Yes, it’s interesting to them how they can place 20 charges, but they didn’t agree on the budget with you in the parliament either.
      The Pentagon’s budget will be spent on any expenses and they won’t agree on anything with you, let alone interest or intrigue YOU.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 24 September 2015 12: 03 New
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      Dear colleague, you write blandly about Poland, Czechoslovakia and the German Democratic Republic from the time of the ...
      But where are they ?!
      Politics implies symmetry and parity, therefore, we have the right to demand "removal of the 3,14nd nuclear weapons from Europe", we have withdrawn our own. Refuse, we have the right to act symmetrically! Those. in the same way, introduce advanced TNW basing near potential theater of operations, which we ourselves have the right to determine!
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 24 September 2015 17: 27 New
        -1
        laughing
        3,14ndostan and their sluts minus trying to deprive us of sovereign right ?! Grind caries, your time is up! tongue bully soldier
  24. roi2009
    roi2009 24 September 2015 11: 33 New
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    Yes, they’ve been ready for twenty years, the current enemy is different now. Thinking, tough.
  25. roskot
    roskot 24 September 2015 11: 55 New
    +2
    that the United States does not believe that it is involved in the violation of any nuclear weapons treaties.

    No, it's not us. Russia is breaking.
  26. radogos
    radogos 24 September 2015 12: 52 New
    +1
    piiiiindosy .yuyu
  27. Old26
    Old26 24 September 2015 16: 20 New
    -1
    Quote: remy
    It is necessary to clearly draw a line.
    Germany is not a nuclear country!
    Any attempt to deploy nuclear / thermonuclear weapons on its territory will be thwarted!
    By delivering a preventive nuclear strike!
    Europeans must understand this very clearly!
    without any jokes!


    Germany is not a nuclear country. And she never was, despite the fact that on its territory there were YaBZ and the USA and the USSR. But what about the same Belarus? There, some comrades propose to put not only “Ikander” with YaBG, but also “Yars”. How will the other side look at such a deployment of nuclear missiles in a non-nuclear country? Would it not consider that this, too, without fail should be suppressed?

    Quote: Papakiko
    Have you drank coffee instead of coffee in the morning?

    Exclusively coffee. In the morning nothing more laughing And why write about when the Warsaw Pact was created and dissolved? Do you think I don’t know this?

    Quote: Papakiko
    In which former participant of the internal affairs department does Russia locate and maintain bases with "nuclear weapons", and indeed, just common arms garrisons ?! Where are the double standards ?!

    Do you understand Russian well? Or read only upstairs? What does the phrase mean?

    While the GDR, Poland, Czechoslovakia were in the Warsaw Pact


    understand well? Especially the word UNTIL? What is difficult to understand that we are talking about the past tense? About the time when these countries were part ORGANIZATIONS OF THE WARSAW CONTRACT?

    And you immediately, seeing the phrase double standards (how could it be otherwise, because only Americans use them, we no-no) write an angry rebuke? Not worth it ...

    Where do I see double standards? In the statements of our "talking heads." I repeat if you still do not understand the double standards and what they were

    1. We trained our allies in the use of nuclear weapons. To the day "H", if you need to pass it to them.
    2. The Soviet armed forces stored tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of the Warsaw Pact countries. Moreover, part of this weapon was intended to be transferred to our allies.

    What are double standards? In the fact that in one case, training is not recognized as a violation of the treaty banning nuclear weapons (when it came to us), in the other it is considered a violation. Moreover, an example of a violation of Articles 1 and 2 of the treaty is cited. True, for some reason, they try not to cite the text of the article, so that the people “shaw”. Well, propaganda is a great thing.

    Also, the current deployment is said to be something illegal (as well as the placement throughout the entire time they have been there) - you understand that we are talking about American nuclear weapons, in another case - as a completely legitimate action aimed at “strengthening peace in to the whole world ”- this is when it came to us.
    Is this not an example of double standards?
  28. Old26
    Old26 24 September 2015 16: 21 New
    -1
    Quote: Papakiko
    Well, then you can clearly see everything from your "mole dugout." And NATO stands still and Russia drags its infrastructure to the borders of NATO members, YES !?

    Read the top again? Repeat. I said that NO TREATY ON STRATEGIC WEAPONS Americans DO NOT VIOLATE.
    However, no. It is imperative to remember the expansion of NATO. And you can find out WHAT AGREEMENT at the same time violated the Americans and NATO? Do not remember? Or was it PROMISE ONLY one politician to another that NATO will not expand east. After a couple of years, this politician leaves big politics and that’s all.
    It’s like with loans. If you took in a bank, then sign a lot of documents that determine what you should do and what it will be. And if you borrowed from a friend and didn’t repay it in time, then alas, he can hope for your honest word and decency that you will return at the agreed time ...

    Quote: Papakiko
    Yes, you not only drink strange, but still not understandable. After the Prague Spring, with great care, new samples were delivered to the ATS participants. In the case of “kipish”, the USSR would have enough GBV to resolve issues on the European theater of operations. For the rest, there were divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces in the USSR.

    Well, of course, when there are no arguments, it remains only to write this. What do I drink? I prefer cognac (Dagestan or Praskoveysky), or good vodka, for example, the North Ossetian Golden Veles (in extreme cases, Praskoveysky MOONSHINE. And the soul is clean enough air. The builder of my fortress city at one time foresaw and chose a place where most of the time the wind. Therefore, the air here is clean, and the city is green.
    As for the essence of the issue, it would still be worth a little bit to be in the subject, since you write. And then write that "with great care" new samples were supplied. But in reality, both the Tochka, a new one at that time, and the Oka were supplied to almost all ATS countries, Czechoslovakia, and the German Democratic Republic ... And all nuclear weapons storage facilities (there were 30 of them) were liquidated in 1990-1991 years, and not after the Prague Spring. There were, and if necessary, ammunition from them would be transferred to the national army
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    Old26 24 September 2015 16: 21 New
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    Yes, it’s interesting to them how they can place 20 charges, but they didn’t agree on the budget with you in the parliament either.

    So has this statement been disavowed? Will no longer be posted in the 3rd quarter of 2015 ... Have you heard? And the network already has materials about this. And it’s worth reading not only Wikipedia, but also looking at some materials from Americans. And there they have funding both by years and by subsection ...

    Quote: Rus2012
    Dear colleague, you write blandly about Poland, Czechoslovakia and the German Democratic Republic from the time of the ...
    But where are they ?!
    Politics implies symmetry and parity, therefore, we have the right to demand "removal of the 3,14nd nuclear weapons from Europe", we have withdrawn our own. Refuse, we have the right to act symmetrically! Those. in the same way, introduce advanced TNW basing near potential theater of operations, which we ourselves have the right to determine!

    Not at all. If it were all that simple ... But unfortunately, symmetry is not assumed. Only if it is prescribed in the contracts. And so ... The only "industry" - where it works - is diplomacy. Only there, the deportation of a certain number of diplomats from the country leads to the expulsion of the same number from the country whose deportees. And in other cases, alas, no ...
    Yes, we have the right to take symmetrical measures.
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    Vadim237 24 September 2015 17: 34 New
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    And we will also have an answer to the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty - the creation of heavy-duty electronic warfare systems that will launch all missiles in Europe at launch sites, along with all electronics and military equipment, including civilian ones.
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      Rus2012 24 September 2015 17: 44 New
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      And we will have an answer too

      ... there is a much more compelling answer - ultra-deep underwater robots with atomic control system and with nuclear explosive shells of the 10 megaton and more class, which will "roam" in the coastal zone of the "meadows"!

      For example, as this "nuclear double-barrel" Khrushchev in an unmanned version fellow
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    Old26 24 September 2015 18: 01 New
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    And we will also have an answer to the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty - the creation of heavy-duty electronic warfare systems that will launch all missiles in Europe at launch sites, along with all electronics and military equipment, including civilian ones.

    Do you seriously believe that we will create electronic warfare systems with a range of 2000-3000 km? Of tremendous power and at the same time everything will be drowned out for them, and we will have everything curly ???