AGAIN "ALREADY"? ..

The All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion (VTsIOM), with an interval of one day, conducted two remarkable sociological surveys. In the survey No. 2934, the research group inquired about the mood of Russians in the social sphere, and in the survey No. XXUMX, the authors tried to find out what thoughts Russians have when they are in touch with Russian-Ukrainian bilateral relations. At first glance, there is nothing in common in these two sociological surveys, but upon careful study you can draw attention to the fact that the results of one survey seem to follow from the results of another.

The result of the study on the study of the mood of Russians in terms of social expectations was a statement by VTsIOM with the following content:

The social mood of Russians is declining, optimism is falling, people are preparing for a worsening state of affairs in the country.

At the same time, the study does not consider the question of how the Russians (you and I) prepare for this “deterioration”: lying on the couch with folded hands and rolling their eyes, or on shopping trips to buy salt, matches, or “on rainy day "- the third TV and the fifth refrigerator? .. Or maybe the preparation consists in digging shelters and additional spinning of cucumbers? ..

Research question № 2934:

How do you generally assess the situation in the country?

79% of the respondents answered this question: “Everything is fine”, “Everything is good” and “Everything is fine”. For comparison, this is significantly higher than in the period 2009-2013 (on average, less than 60%). At the same time, the answers “Everything is bad” and “Everything is terrible” was noted by 18% (the rest abstained from a definite answer) of the respondents. In 2009-2013, an average of 32% of respondents were “horrified” by the situation in the country.

Despite this, VTsIOM reports that "people are preparing for the worsening situation in the country." Rather strange conclusions of experts, given that 79% is still more than 18% ... Or in the situation under consideration, it is precisely 18% of those who are "horrified" that everyone else needs to focus on. Of course, the opinion of each respondent is interesting in its own way, but in such a way as to draw such far-reaching conclusions from a fairly modest percentage - hmm ...

Another question (or rather, the answer to it) in the study on the social expectations and moods of Russians confirms the thesis that the conclusions of VTsIOM, to put it mildly, are strange ... Is it really "ALL PROPALO" again? ..

Question:

How do you generally assess the situation that has developed specifically in your life?

Here the answers “Everything is fine”, “Everything is good” and “Everything is excellent” is given by 88% of the respondents. The answers “Everything is bad” and “Everything is terrible” was given by 10% of the respondents.

So what exactly is the “deterioration” of the mood? Apparently, in order to clarify their theses, VTsIOM employees cite a social investigation number 2935 with some frankly radical formulation of the question: "Russia-Ukraine: abyss or takeoff?" They say, either “heaven” or “hell” - the third is not given ... The very wording of the survey does not seem to imply a middle option, which is also quite difficult to explain, given that the division into black and white (without shades) - by definition, cannot be the task of the sociological monitoring service.

However, the questions themselves in social research № 2935 they look calm enough, as they say, without fanaticism and outright "yellowness" they no longer give it away ... And here the answers of the Russians surveyed make it clear that for the majority, the Ukrainian topic, as they say, has a pain in the heart, and this is more than understandable.

Question:

How would you assess the current relations between Russia and Ukraine?

The answer "tense" and "hostile" was given by 67% of the respondents (a record of all recent months and years), while only 8% assess such relations positively.

Indeed, it is difficult to assess Russian-Ukrainian relations with a plus sign, when Ukraine has recently become associated exclusively with the obscurantists of the Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, Turchynov, Lyashko formations, with the right-wing "storm troopers" and other Maidan bydlomass. It is difficult to perceive the presence of adequate people behind all this putrid substance, and in fact there are millions of them even in the presence of endless anti-Russian and even anti-Russian propaganda in Ukraine. These are the very adequate people who realized the mega-divorce of themselves with tales of sweet European life and manna from heaven from American "friends". These are the people who understand that Ukraine is used only as a springboard for pressure (including military) on Russia - a country that has common roots with Ukraine, common traditions, in fact, one people.

It would seem that the sentiments of Russians about the Ukrainian crisis have been revealed, and therefore VTsIOM can “cover up” its research tool. But no ... The Center decides to ask the Russians (and there were 1600 people from 46 regions of the Russian Federation involved in the survey), do they need, in their opinion, Russia's support for the Donbass militias? At the same time, the question as if in passing makes it clear that "on the altar" lies "the normalization of relations with Ukraine and the West."

Question:

Do you think Russia should or should not, for the sake of improving relations with Ukraine and the West, stop all support for the Donbass militias?

Considering all the previous conclusions of VTsIOM on poll # 2934 and # 2935, vague doubts crept in: is it going to ask the Center for the Study of Public Opinion after this question about this: “Isn't it possible to give Crimea and Sevastopol back to Kiev in order to improve relations with Ukraine and West? " Well, if we started to interrogate, then we had to go all the way and declare that “precisely because of the support of Donbass and the acceptance of Crimea and Sevastopol into Russia,“ many ”Russians began to feel a drop in optimism” ...

Such a survey was not followed, but the very fact that a state company is asking whether it is necessary to support Donbass or not is not even a bell, but a bell ...

So the results are:

11% of those surveyed said that it was time to completely curtail support for the militias. And this position is most actively expressed by young people aged 18 to 25 years. 58% of respondents are categorically against curtailing support for the Donbass militia. As you can see, the ratio is "one to five" (1: 5), but tomorrow statistics services can provide us with 1 to 2, and the day after tomorrow, 5 to 1 ...

These results are a hint that it is time for the statistics services to adjust public opinion to the “new standards” using various methods and tools?

Comments

[Riv]

At the next poll by VTsIOM, 95% of the respondents answered: "I went to ..." - and 5% tried to screw the interviewer off his feet. The poll concerned the attitude of Russians towards polls.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

They forgot to ask "Levada" yet ...

[Sid.74]

Do you think Russia should or should not, for the sake of improving relations with Ukraine and the West, stop all support for the Donbass militias?

Do you seriously think that this question is a provocation? In my opinion, for all the roughness of this survey, there is much more positive here. Firstly, VTsIOM recognizes the support of the Russian militias, and probably implies not only political support. And it shows that for the Russians help to the militias more important than good relations with Ukraine.
Secondly, the state is the main customer of VTsIOM polls.
The purpose of this question is to identify the number of those who disagree with the support of the Donbass militia, to read as the people of Donbass and their movement towards independence, and of further movement towards Russia.
And, importantly, this poll was conducted on the eve of the elections in Donbass. The other day Lavrov said that we cannot influence the elections in the DPR, LPR and their date of providence, and these elections are spelled out in the Minsk agreements, and this does not contradict them. That is, it will not be the same as in the year when Putin asked to wait with the referendum in Donbass.
And further...

Under the program of humanitarian aid to the republics, RostSelMash delivered new Vector 410 self-propelled combine harvesters in the basic configuration with 4 adapters (grain, sunflower, corn header and pick-up). Also, the combines are equipped with all service parts.
The equipment is economical, reliable, easy to operate and comfortable, equipped with on-board computers.
To date, the DPR has already received 150 units of agricultural machinery, and about 60 more are expected.

On September 21, the Republican Sanitary and Epidemiological Service received 6 new Niva vehicles as humanitarian aid from the Russian Federation.

[Sid.74]

Oh and more, over half a million refugees returned to the DPR.

More than 500 thousand Donetsk refugees returned to the DPR in 2015. As the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the self-proclaimed republic Alexander Kofman told Izvestia, most of the returnees came from the eastern part of Ukraine.

According to statistics, more than three million people lived in the DPR two years ago. At the end of 2014, the number dropped by almost half. Kofman explained that the mass return is partly due to the fact that it is becoming more difficult for refugees to be on the territory of Ukraine.

Gleb Kornilov, head of the fund to help Novorossia "We do not abandon our own", told the newspaper that those who returned home were positive. According to him, "if last summer the streets were empty ... now parks and cafes are full. People want to raise their republic."
RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20150924/1277976145.html#ixzz3mcwUHGXN

[Egoza]

Quote: Sid.74

Oh and more, over half a million refugees returned to the DPR

But I'm not happy about that. something "in time" they come back, before the elections! But here:

Eyewitnesses report a sharp increase in the population of Donetsk due to the ceasefire, which has been reigning in Donbass for several weeks.
“It's been only a month since they don't shoot. And in Donetsk you will not be crowded. A lot of people and an unrealistic number of cars, including do not understand where they came from expensive foreign cars.
It's coming back Kiev Donetsk. And Dnepropetrovsk Donetsk. And God knows what Donetsk people are. They return to annoy the very fact of their existence Donetsk and non-Donetsk Donetsk people, like our political émigré brother.
Well, they would have already sat in their European Kiev, or something. Was it in vain that you left Donetsk last spring?
It seems that Donbass is not being shoved back into Ukraine, but Ukraine is trying with all its might to jump on the bandwagon of Donbass leaving for Russia. And yes - all these Kiev Donetsk residents will be the first to line up for Russian passports, you'll see, ”says Konstantin Dolgov, coordinator of the White Book project, which provides assistance to the war-affected residents of the DPR and LPR.
Donetsk political scientist Roman Manekin, in turn, notes that the influx of people is not only in the capital of the DPR, but also in the surrounding cities.
“To the people, to the people! And cars! Everyone is fussing, running and running! All shops are open, even the smallest ones. And even hairdressing salons, beauty salons, which has not happened since spring-summer 2014. In general, people have returned from emigration, they are trying to improve their lives, ”he notes.

I wonder what kind of emigration is in your country?

[Sid.74]

Quote: Egoza

It seems that it is not Donbass that is being shoved back into Ukraine, but that Ukraine is trying with all its might to jump on the bandwagon of the Donbass that is leaving for Russia. And yes - all these Kiev Donetsk residents will be the first to line up for Russian passports, you will see "

Yeah ... what can I say? - For a united and indivisible Ukraine ... as part of the Russian Federation.

[RBLip]

Quote: Sid.74

- For a united and indivisible Ukraine ... as part of the Russian Federation.

Eugene ... that's just kindling me up to ask a provocative question - do we need the current Ukraine as part of the Russian Federation? all these fascists, Nazis, lyashki, femen. They are unaccustomed to work normally. it's better to ride the next muidan ... as for me, so let them cook in this brew. and we will sit on the shore and wait. after all, no matter how they swagger, it will come to bad, everything will end sooooo quickly. and then what?

[Sid.74]

Quote: RBLip

Eugene ... that's just kindling me up to ask a provocative question - do we need the current Ukraine as part of the Russian Federation?

There will be no current Ukraine; we will absorb gradually and with the restoration of order in these fragments.
Indeed, in the DPR and LPR, while the republican power is still being formed, the republics themselves are being formed. For example, there was power in Crimea, since Crimea was an autonomous republic.
Naturally, all the phenomena of Svidomism will be burned out with a hot iron. Through the knee, the entire political system of power used by Ukraine will be broken, along with the intractable oligarchs.
And this process of including the republics into the Russian Federation is a question of more than one year, perhaps 5,10 years. Perhaps we will see Ukraine consisting exclusively of people's republics. After all, South Ossetia is still integrating with Russia, a union state is being formed with Belarus. And all this is tied up. on the economic situation in the Russian Federation, and on the foreign policy situation in the world, and all this time.
And we don't need Natsiks.
Svidomo will either see the light, or will be left behind with their embroidered shirts, with Shenewmerla and Bandera.

[RBLip]

Quote: Sid.74

Naturally, all the phenomena of Svidomism will be burned out with a hot iron. Through the knee, the entire political system of power used by Ukraine will be broken, along with the intractable oligarchs.
And this process of including the republics into the Russian Federation is a question of more than one year, perhaps 5,10 years. Perhaps we will see Ukraine consisting exclusively of people's republics. After all, South Ossetia is still integrating with Russia, a union state is being formed with Belarus. And all this is tied up. on the economic situation in the Russian Federation, and on the foreign policy situation in the world, and all this time.
And we don't need Natsiks.
Svidomo will either see the light, or will be left behind with their embroidered shirts, with Shenewmerla and Bandera.

Yes that's right. but all these sensible and correct ideas, as always, will be smashed against the prose of life. but it turns out that quickly enough people from those fragments (this is not the DPR, and not the LPR, although there are enough khataskrayniks there too) will come to one simple idea - the maskals are to blame for everything (they have already drilled it into them), so let them feed them, build, tame crime. do we need it? how much did it cost Russia to pacify the Caucasus? and even now not everything is peaceful and calm there. and here, on the plus side, there are a few more areas with an amorphous-recolored mass (at least cut me, but I'm sure that part of the population of Ukraine will just give a fuck, and some will quickly change embroidered shirts for T-shirts with a double-headed ...). and in their heads sits and hollows - the mascals are to blame for everything. and 5-10 years old, you say? a lot ha ha. they have grown generation squares. which you and me hate... so far from five or ten. and they are clearly not going to see clearly.

[Sid.74]

Quote: RBLip

they have grown up generations of non-landlords. who hate you and me.

They said the same thing about Chechnya. By the way, the liberals.
And now they say why do we need Crimea, why do we need Donbass, why do we need Syria? Well, with this approach, the whole "Russia" will fit within the borders of the Moscow region.

Quote: RBLip

and 5-10 years old, you say?

It is not enough five to ten years when the economy is working, there is work, when there is heating and gas, but if this is not all, it is a lot!

[RBLip]

Quote: Sid.74

Through the knee, the entire political system of power of second-hand Ukraine will be broken

and further. here about the knee. Eugene, ask yourself a question - will our government in its current form across the knee? that's why me it doesn't seem that way. we have a savchenka (such a fat one with a brazen face, who comes to court with a trident on a T-shirt) not just soldered a life-long one (although in fact it is necessary to put on a stake), but in general, apparently, they plan to change. and the Vasilievs, Stooltkins, Governors ... the list is endless.

[Sid.74]

Quote: RBLip

Eugene, ask yourself a question - can our government in its present form through the knee?

And this is like in judo, with all the softness of the technique, they land on the floor and very hard.
Remember Khodarkovsky, remember Berezovsky. Now the governor will go to the bunk together with his pocket organized criminal group. Before that, the governor of Sakhalin was detained.

Quote: RBLip

and the vasilievs, stooltkins

Fraudsters and abuse of office is a slightly different issue, but the law is generally extremely lenient.
This needs to be corrected by law.

[RBLip]

Quote: Sid.74

Remember Khodarkovsky, remember Berezovsky. Now the governor will go to the bunk together with his pocket organized criminal group. Before that, the governor of Sakhalin was detained.

Khodar is quite well-fed. got a term, went out on udo (although in fact he should have received a life sentence), now he works over the hill with a calomet (if anything, we have an ordinary person with a debt on housing and communal services when leaving the country, well, by the way). women - until the last moment I was hanging out in London, although I should receive a bulwark. whether the governor will go to the bunk or not, we'll see, although 90% are not. Udo or amnesty will not wait for him (even if he sits down, we recall Vasilyeva, who could not be found in the zone).

Quote: Sid.74

Here, in general, the law is extremely soft.
This needs to be corrected by law.

law selectively soft. and this is the whole trouble. remember? "corruption will destroy this country."

[Starley from the south]

Quote: RBLip

Khodar is quite well-fed. got a term, went out on udo (although in fact he should have received a life sentence)

Yes, you're right ... Long live our court, the most humane court in the world! In the States, for this (tax evasion), he would have received all 99 years in prison, or even 299 years! Ce la vie, however.

[aleks 62 next]

.... For a united and indivisible Ukraine ... as part of the Russian Federation ..

... And we need it ???? .... A very dubious acquisition .... Read the comments at least in such a resource (rather neutral) as Today ya ...

[Starley from the south]

Quote: aleks 62 next

.And we need it ???? ....

We have all of Ukraine, now Dill, we won't feed so many Maydauns! Enough east and south, and let the rest roll to Poland, Romania or the underworld, where they belong!

[aleks 62 next]

... Ukraine is trying with all its might to jump on the bandwagon of the Donbass that is leaving for Russia. ... all these Kiev Donetsk residents will be the first to line up for Russian passports, you will see, ”says Konstantin Dolgov.


.... We have already gone through this .... Just replace "Donbass" with "Crimea" ...

[lelikas]

Quote: Egoza

I wonder what kind of emigration is in your country?

I cannot but agree - with the outbreak of the war, in St. Petersburg there were an order of magnitude more foreign cars with Ukrainian numbers, but I saw the DPR flag only once, and then - on an old "shah". Moreover, those who have returned will be even louder than anyone else and will demand humanitarian assistance and a whole cartload of compensation.

[2С5]

... these are the "victims of the regime" returning! Only they haven’t figured out what regime yet ... they’ll sit, chat with their feet, gossip, gossip among themselves, and then rrraz! and who is in favor for that and we! LDNR will trample up the hill, it means that the Poroshyaytsenyuki, hiding behind democracy, killed and robbed us of the poor civilians ... if God forbid, on the contrary (which I strongly doubt), then the Novorossi bandits who dared encroach on the most sacred ukrodemocracy and legal government! And we will rush back to Kiev to warn everyone, well, and naturally for help ... This is putanovskaya ukrosuschnost in the blood ... and they will run "both ours and yours" until migrants negroids will not identify them on reservations ... so it will be

[veksha50]

Quote: Egoza

including do not understand where they came from expensive foreign cars.

I report: sitting on the necks of their relatives, some bought expensive foreign cars here in Russia ... without forgetting to blaspheme her at the same time ...

"What kind of emigration is this?"...

Strange, very strange emigration ...

Why, in my upper commentary, I said that it was impossible for VTsIOM to raise questions so radically in polls and demand radical answers to them ... All this has multiple shades, and often - not at all rosy ...

[veksha50]

Quote: Sid.74

Oh and more, over half a million refugees returned to the DPR.

I just wanted to cover VTsIOM with swearing words for these polls, but Sid.74 managed to find positive things in them that I almost convinced ...

However, I will say anyway: you cannot raise such questions radically and you cannot get a radical answer ...

I personally would also find it difficult to immediately give a clear answer "Yes" or "No" to either the first or the second question ... Not everything is black and white, there are many nuances ...

Therefore, I am also wary of these percentages named by VTsIOM ...
These questions should have been divided into sub-questions, and not like that - with a hammer over the head ...

[razzhivin]

Do you think Russia should or should not, for the sake of improving relations with Ukraine and the West, stop all support for the Donbass militias?

such a question is not exactly a provocation, but it implies a causal relationship between Russia's support for the militias and bad relations with Ukraine ... in this sequence !!!
But the history of events and the logic of the processes say that bad relations with Ukraine are rooted in the coming to power of a "pro-Western" government, and if you go a little deeper, then in "fooling the population" as a result of the activities of Western funds (which began even earlier) ... and support or not support the militias - there will be NO good relations with Ukraine under the current Ukrainian regime ... it makes all the difference how they will treat us, as a strong or weak, BUT AN OPPONENT!
Therefore, such a formulation of the question (for a sociological survey) is at least not correct! Many people understand the situation more deeply (than the questioners) ...

And the POSITIVE OF ANSWERS TO OTHER QUESTIONS makes me happy !!

[rosarioagro]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

They forgot to ask "Levada" yet ...

That's right, there probably would be 146% :-)

[tank64rus]

With Levada, it is clear the organ of the US State Department, but who rules VTsIOM. There is no one who cannot defeat the Russians, only betrayal. We must drive the traitors out of power before they destroy Russia.

[lukewarm]

With tongue removed ....

[Alf]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

They forgot to ask "Levada" yet ...

And "Rain". They would wind up ...

[siberalt]

And what is incomprehensible here? Whatever answer is ordered to VTsIOM, this is what they will receive. Who would believe them?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: siberalt

Who would believe them?

The question is, at least someone, at least once from those who were interviewed on the site? me never

[pastoret69]

Hello, Alexander .., you will not believe .., he asked himself constantly the same question .., at least someone was interviewed .., and a miracle happened .., they called me))

[veksha50]

Quote: pastoret69

You will not believe .., he asked himself constantly the same question .., at least someone was interviewed .., and a miracle happened .., they called me))

hmm ... If I were Stanislavsky, I would say: "I do not believe !!!" ...

PS It seems to me that all these polls-reviews are typeset without leaving the office ... Well, maybe 50 people will call, if there is no laziness ...

[CONTROL]

Quote: veksha50

hmm ... If I were Stanislavsky, I would say: "I do not believe !!!" ...

... well, I'm Stanislavsky! I didn't say that! And he said: "I went to ...!" ...

[anip]

Quote: siberalt

Whatever answer is ordered to VTsIOM, this is what they will receive.

Exactly. If only it would be good for Putin's propaganda.

[marlin1203]

"They scared the naked hedgehog ... opoy" - those who are at least over 30 are hard to scare. We remember such a mess in the country that "some inconveniences" associated with the lack of some delicacies and the opportunity to go abroad do not scare us. It's more difficult with the young. They grew up already in conditions of relative prosperity and an abundance of goods, so they may "waver"

[CONTROL]

Quote: marlin1203

"They scared the naked hedgehog ... opoy" - those who are at least over 30 are hard to scare. We remember such a mess in the country that "some inconveniences" associated with the lack of some delicacies and the opportunity to go abroad do not scare us. It's more difficult with the young. They grew up already in conditions of relative prosperity and an abundance of goods, so they may "waver"

...and most importantly: - suddenly turn off the Internet! and skype ... and mobile!... this is death! ...

[CONTROL]

Quote: Riv

At the next poll by VTsIOM, 95% of the respondents answered: "I went to ..." - and 5% tried to screw the interviewer off his feet. The poll concerned the attitude of Russians towards polls.

not 5% but 15%! ... And they did not "try", but "screwed up"!
... this will be seen from subsequent "polls" ...

[Name]

Greetings to all! The whole question is in the formulation of the question (sorry for the tautology). And based on the questions asked, the question arises - who made the questionnaire ... Probably some NGO from Western "partners" provided.

[meriem1]

Quote: name

Greetings to all! The whole question is in the formulation of the question (sorry for the tautology). And based on the questions asked, the question arises - who made the questionnaire ... Probably some NGO from Western "partners" provided.

So it does not matter! All one overwhelming majority is positive !!! And the liberal MINORITY whines about what kind of unhappy life we ​​have here since the 90s. When they were torn from the trough. They behaved like boyars. And as they were noticed in corruption, so they were running over the hill. Here are criminals, and there are fighters against the "regime".

[Finches]

Let us be alive, we will not die!
And we love to whine ... I myself sometimes sin with this!
And polls are generally an exclusively socio-political order of interested persons! Like an agreed match in football!

[veksha50]

Quote: Finches

And we love to whine ... I myself sometimes sin with this!

Evgeniy ! I myself am a sinner ...

However, there is a difference - to say in the hearts in the kitchen in the circle of family and friends, or to go to Bolotnaya and water everything around with slop ...

I consider myself a zaputinist, however, if he had heard how many swear words were spoken against him !!!

So whining whining - strife ...

And that's it - we will live - we will not die !!!

[Sasha75]

The people in general think about something else, here the communists stole them so, the so-called pitchforks are ashamed of the current vars under the house of the servants in the country, not when they did not steal as they do now. In reality, if all the money is returned to the country and the budget for 5 years, everyone can not work.

[novobranets]

The government cannot understand that the stolen officials should not be removed, but hung up. Then little by little everything will work out.

[diz1975]

It is not that simple...
Even Peter the first wanted to issue a decree to hang an official if he steals more than the cost of the rope. He was told that Russia could be left without officials at all ...
We need to do something ... But I personally don’t know what ... But definitely not hang up.

[anip]

Quote: diz1975

He was told that Russia could be left without officials at all ...

Nonsense. A holy place is never empty. Others will come who will either not steal the bonds of convictions, or because of fear.

Quote: diz1975

We need to do something ... But I personally don’t know what ... But definitely not hang up.

They don't hang up. Serdyukov was given the hero of Russia, Vasiliev was released. And no one asked how Vasilyeva could earn so much money that she was able to return about 260 million rubles (I don't remember exactly) and also write an application for the return of arrested funds in the amount of 300 million rubles. And this is still not all she has. I repeat: how could she make that kind of money? But no, it somehow "earned", but you can't hang it. Well then, shoot.

[lukewarm]

Quote: anip

Serdyukov was given a hero of Russia

No fakes, so everything is bad. After all

Quote: anip

Vasilyeva was released

[novobranets]

Quote: anip

Others will come who will either not steal the bonds of convictions, or because of fear.

Not so long ago, we argued with friends about corruption. We agreed on one thing, it is necessary to hang (or plant), otherwise the infection will overwhelm everything that it has not yet reached (if there is one). And second, if there is an honest person who is ready to serve not out of fear, but out of conscience, he will not be allowed into the government, under any pretext, or for any position. Those who have dug in there do not need honest people. For them, honest ones are dangerous.

[EvgNik]

Quote: anip

how could she make that kind of money?

"" Vice-Speaker of the Berezniki City Duma Andrei Musikhin, accused of bribing on an especially large scale, may leave the pre-trial detention center on bail of 25 million rubles. "
"" On September 23, the ex-deputy was finally charged with mediation of bribery on an especially large scale by a group of persons. For this they face a fine of 70 to 90 times the amount of a bribe (for Musikhin and Lebedev from 753,2 to 968,4 million rubles) or imprisonment for a term of 7 to 12 years with a fine of 70 times the amount of the bribe, those. 753,2 million rubles) ""

What's Vasilyeva! This is how they steal from us in the Urals! But part of the bribes still goes to Moscow.

[Gomunkul]

Something needs to be done ...

Siluanov and Ulyukayev are proposing to raise the retirement age to 65 under the pretext of saving the budget.

[lukewarm]

Quote: diz1975

I don’t know what ... But definitely do not hang.

Right. Tie the back cover with barbed wire and set it on fire. Let him redeem. And to another world with a clear conscience. There has never been parole from there.

[CONTROL]

Quote: diz1975

It is not that simple...
Even Peter the first wanted to issue a decree to hang an official if he steals more than the cost of the rope. He was told that Russia could be left without officials at all ...
We need to do something ... But I personally don’t know what ... But definitely not hang up.

... maybe raise the price of ropes? if so - in 1 ...

[tomket]

Quote: novobranets

that the stolen officials should not be removed, but hung. Then little by little everything will work out.

Come on. If we could not play the farce with Vasilyeva to the end ...

[veksha50]

Quote: novobranets

The government cannot understand that the stolen officials should not be removed, but hung up. Then little by little everything will work out.

I agree with you ... However, the question is: in China, regardless of the ranks and positions, they shoot, in Thailand and Pakistan, too, something like that ... however, they continue to steal ...

PS However, I think that if theft was reduced by at least 30 percent, then even in this case there would be no problems with the budget ...

[novobranets]

Quote: veksha50

However, the question is: in China, regardless of ranks and positions, they shoot, in Thailand and Pakistan, too, something like that ... however, they continue to steal ...

But, you see, not on such a scale. And not so often. And not so impudently. And over time, the Chinese will bring this infection to the root.

[veksha50]

Quote: novobranets

And over time, the Chinese will bring this infection to the root.

I wish it would work not only in China ...

[novobranets]

As much as I would like. Well, for the fulfillment of desires.

[afdjhbn67]

Whoever pays is the one who orders the survey, but turn it upside down like two fingers on the asphalt .. The funny thing about these polls - does anyone else believe them?

[Kos_kalinki9]

Quote: afdjhbn67

Whoever pays is the one who orders the survey, but turn it upside down like two fingers on the asphalt .. The funny thing about these polls - does anyone else believe them?

Well, it has long been known:
Execution cannot be pardoned.
Put the commas yourself. So it is with all these polls.

[bmv04636]

I have a question for members of the forum, who has ever participated in at least one social poll?

[Mordvin 3]

I participated a couple of times. When the questionnaire was issued, he wrote truthfully. And when pretty girls asked questions, I hung noodles on their ears like I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I don’t swear at him, and in general everything is openwork, and you want to take a dick. That's how we live.

[ivan bogomolov]

I also accidentally participated, but the feeling that this crap did not leave me, all for show, but for which they decide for themselves.

[pastoret69]

Hello, I have already answered above to Alexander Romanov .., yes, I participated

[CONTROL]

Quote: bmv04636

I have a question for members of the forum, who has ever participated in at least one social poll?

I saw them off! ...
He was involved in conducting opinion polls. Results - to say the least! - surprised ...

[Same lech]

These results are a hint that it is time for the statistics services to adjust public opinion to the “new standards” using various methods and tools?

Didn't seem ...

These polls are a very convenient form of juggling public opinion ....
this is especially noticeable on various television programs ... no offense to the TV presenter, this will be said.

[anip]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

no offense to the TV presenter this will be said.

Why no offense? Yes, TV presenters themselves know this, moreover, they do it.

[Vityok]

It would be better to ask the people what part of the population believes these "polls"?

[VNP1958PVN]

Chief, it's all gone. Barack leaves, the sanctions are lifted. Maidan in Russia does not pass again. (From the report of the 1st Secretary of the US Embassy in Russia to Ambassador John F. Tefft)

[Lumumba]

Quote: bmv04636

I have a question for members of the forum, who has ever participated in at least one social poll?

Incidentally, a topical question. Whom does VTsIOM interview? I've never really seen "respondents" in my life. I assume that VTsIOM (and others) takes all data from the Internet.

[Loner_53]

Quote: Lumumba

I assume that VTsIOM (and others) takes all data from the Internet.

Or maybe how the "dogs" in the office will recognize

[Valga]

Even if you have to tighten your belts, the main thing is that the country does not buckle like Europe, and more often they imprisoned politicians and governors who steal.

[anip]

Quote: Valga

Even if you have to tighten your belts

Why even? They pulled up for a long time. To be more precise, they never relaxed. And there are 80 percent of them in the country. Only now I'm tired of these calls and nonsense about "tightening their belts." I'm still waiting for the oligarchs, rulers, guarantors and putinoids to start tightening their belts, and not on the people, but on themselves. Apparently, I will never wait.
From the same opera, screams about patriotism. They screamed and screamed about patriotism, and one of the patriots in Israel is being treated, the other in Italy, it seems, from great patriotism.

[lukewarm]

Quote: anip

guarantor and putinoids

Somehow ... ahem ... Maybe you are "censor"? Although the questions to the authorities are not measured.

[moskowit]

All these polls are from "Evil". The list of questions always has a given vector. And they are always compiled to please the customer. ORDER in progress!

[fa2998]

Quote: afdjhbn67

Whoever pays is the one who orders the survey, but turn it upside down like two fingers on the asphalt .. The funny thing about these polls - does anyone else believe them?

These polls are very similar to official statistics, lies and propaganda! They know where to go, who to ask. In our region (Russian Donbass), pollsters and carrots cannot be lured, they say something like that (about government policy), you grab your head. The numbers will change in a mirror image.

[razzhivin]

These polls are very similar to official statistics - lies and propaganda! They know where to go, who to ask.

I don't want to indiscriminately blame VTsIOM, but fa2998 largely right ... a sample of 1600 respondents from 46 regions seems representative, but ...

depending on which area of ​​the city to conduct the survey, you can predict its results ... in each locality there are areas (quarters / houses) where depressive moods prevail, and in others, on the contrary ... with such simple manipulations you can really achieve the desired result .. the result can be distorted even without targets, only due to the habits of those who collect the data ...

so that

it would be interesting to conduct such a poll among members of the forum: for example, I am positive despite all the difficulties that the country is objectively experiencing ...
It seems to me important that we, as a nation, again believed in ourselves ...
in the late 90s it seemed that EVERYTHING

[rotmistr60]

The answers “Everything is bad” and “Everything is terrible” was given by 10% of the respondents.

An acceptable percentage, taking into account the fact that in the country, even under excellent conditions, there will always be these 10% of "all-rappers". Therefore, we can conclude that the Russian people are optimistic in their essence.

[bulat]

As taught, the question already has half the answer. What question you ask, you will get such an answer.

[CONTROL]

Quote: bulat

As taught, the question already has half the answer. What question you ask, you will get such an answer.

В the right question... not half! 98 percent ... The remaining 2% - they sent you to ..., or asked for a hundred "until payday - urgently needed! ... the pipes are on! ..."

[31rus]

There are no and will not be objective polls, to believe not to believe everyone's work, but what this statistics puts on the "top" is another question. For example, according to polls, at least 40-55% of citizens should have come to the elections, but 30% came, well, where objectivity, all these polls, the game and manipulation of both opinion and certain persons and structures, the poll should be in the form of a "referendum", which is not difficult to do by including them in the elections, which by the way will increase the attendance of the elections themselves, and there will be more benefits

[Socialism 2.0]

Yes, we know these Livads, VTsIOMs and other Carnegs .... Instead of 8,6%, 86% draw.

[Bayonet]

But what is there to interrogate, there are two categories of people - one does not care about everything, while others are absolutely not sure about the future. That's the whole poll

[Begemot]

Do you think Russia should or should not, for the sake of improving relations with Ukraine and the West, stop all support for the Donbass militias?

And it seemed to me that not only the militias were supported by Russia, there are also ordinary residents in the DPR and LPR, whom Russia supports. Strange wording.

[mikh-korsakov]

There is no contradiction in people's answers. And this is the merit of the economic bloc of our government, which compete among themselves in describing the pace of economic decline, that is, those people whose purpose is to raise the economy compete with each other in describing the troubles that await us instead of amicably resign due to their own mediocrity. ... Therefore, everything is correct, people, including myself, believe that since it is possible to live now, it will be worse according to the statement of our government.

[Oman 47]

Believe opinion polls and state statistics ???
KINDERGARTEN.

[vladimirvn]

When all the rats ran away, the ship stopped sinking.

[Loner_53]

11% of those surveyed said that it was time to completely curtail support for the militias.

These are 11% and it's time to completely turn off

[Zolotse]

I do not know who answered so amicably, what kind of target audience. 5 years ago I was dragged to participate in one survey, 90% of percent, without even delving into the essence, immediately said that they had no time. 5% of men were clearly flirting and sticking, writing all sorts of nonsense, seeing a pretty girl. A handful of people managed to "take readings" normally. Then I had to run around and beg my acquaintances to answer, in order to hand over the required amount, my mother filled in a couple of pieces to help the blood. And about the correctness and validity of the questions, I generally keep quiet ... this is a separate sad topic

[maxxdesign]

it would be better if we went to work! go, suffer garbage .. some polls! ... where did they interview them? all around Russia? or ran around Moscow? 20% of Russians probably already live in Moscow))) and they ask about patriotism! Something I have not seen the questionnaires in Novosibirsk, I doubt that they were in Barnaul, Tomsk, Kemerovo, Perm, Vorkuta, Norilsk, Vladivostok and many other cities!

[press officer]

Quote: meriem1

All one overwhelming majority is positive !!! And the liberal MINORITY whines about what kind of life we ​​have here is miserable since the 90s. When they were torn from the trough. They behaved like boyars. And as they were noticed in corruption, so they were running over the hill. Here are criminals, and there are fighters against the "regime".

A living example. "Brother" from the 90s goes to the same rocking chair with my acquaintance, and he (brother) whines endlessly that how he does not live well here in Russia, what kind of government we have, and they do not give him money, and that's it he is being watched ( ) in short everything is bad, etc. etc. an acquaintance could not resist and once asked him "what, when it was possible to kill in the streets and rob people with impunity or to squeeze out shops with kiosks or apartments in front of everyone and without reckoning with anyone, to live according to concepts and not observe any laws, then it was good? or the fact that you did not suffer then in the 90s, you did not kill anyone, you were not killed or your relatives, gives you the right to believe that life was excellent in the 90s? " the "brother "'s jaw dropped ... he didn't dare to say something in response, because everyone in the audience immediately noticed him ... maybe he understood something if his brains remained ... An acquaintance was born after all these sad events of the 90s, the more valuable his words were for everyone present in the hall. Not all young people are spoiled) And those who vote "for a return to the 90s" following the example of the son of the Hodor and his friends, who were not sickly squeezing money and enterprises into their pockets, must be beaten for a long time and very painfully ... they don't understand well ..

[lukewarm]

Quote: press attache

you have to beat for a long time and very painful ...

To warn with their squeals and educate those who are taking such a path

[atamankko]

The topic is relevant, no one knows where and how the results are made,
and ordinary people believe in this nonsense.

[Jääkorppi]

All polls conducted with the filing and initiative of the fifth column from the evil one! It is always important who conducts the survey and how! The wording of the questions! Sample of respondents! In what places and social groups the survey was conducted! Of course, if you take the audience of Rain and Echo. Every now and then the result is appropriate.

[1536]

There are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies and statistics.
Perestroika in 1985 also began with general phrases and demagoguery, a search for the "dissatisfied" and "deceived." Since then, the government, the President and the people stopped listening to and trusting various "forecasts". Good or bad, but this is a fact that is just right for this VTsIOM to investigate.

[akudr48]

Is it time for the statistical services to adjust public opinion to the “new standards” using various methods and tools?

Unfortunately, it didn’t appear.

VTsIOM depicts liberal independence from Russia, this structure is like an outsider, but an honest observer, observes and reports to the progressive public, about the processes and what people think about the most important issues in the life of the country.

But in fact, she directs these processes in the direction that the ruling liberal group needs. Questions asks like "what do you prefer to drink in the morning, vodka or beer", vilely assuming that a Russian person will definitely prefer something to drink.

So with the Donbass, and then with the Crimea, they will soon begin to find out in TsIOM which of them Russia should first of all refuse to support.
To freely return to the civilized world and to the Cote d'Azur to their stolen assets to continue the banquet.

Isn't it time to ask CIOM such a question, "who do you work for, Washington, Tel Aviv or Brussels," allowing the choice of several options.

And then judge this liberal raspberry by the results ...

[lukewarm]

Quote: akudr48

judge this liberal raspberry by the results

The same applies to the government.
In general, during the "post-Crimea" period, a persistent feeling of schizophrenia, i.e. splitting of consciousness. It seems like they got involved in a war (it's high time, if we want to live), they didn't leave any other choice. The course does not seem to change (yet). Donbass, Syria. So why can't VTsIOM, Levada, Ekhi be shut up in any way? Will it come when the bombs come down? There is no other way? Or does the illusion that everything will end and will heal as before? What are we waiting for?

[Coboklo]

I and my friends are not influenced in any way by the results of polls, even by VTsIOM, even by the devil of bald.
My children and grandchildren do not pay attention to them either (to the poll results).
The main thing is your own understanding of what is happening and your own assessment of the phenomena.
I believe that the overwhelming majority of the country's population does just that.

[Above_name]

Quote: veksha50

veksha50 (1) SU Today, 14:32 ↑
.....
I just wanted to cover VTsIOM with swearing words for these polls, but Sid.74 managed to find positive things in them that I almost convinced ...
However, I will say anyway: you cannot raise such questions radically and you cannot get a radical answer ...
...
Therefore, I am also wary of these percentages named by VTsIOM ...
These questions should have been divided into sub-questions, and not like that - with a hammer over the head ...

...How do you generally assess the situation that has developed specifically in your life?
Here the answers “Everything is fine”, “Everything is good” and “Everything is excellent” is given by 88% of the respondents. The answers “Everything is bad” and “Everything is terrible” was given by 10% of the respondents.
So what, in fact, is the “deterioration” of mood? ...


There are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies and statistics, but the worst thing is half-truths.
For example, six months ago, the answers "Everything is fine", "Everything is good" and "Everything is fine" were given also 88% of the respondents, and the answers "Everything is bad" and "Everything is terrible" was given by 9.9% of the respondents. So much for the "deterioration" of your mood.

[IAlex]

Well, about 18 percent is clear, but what did VTsIOM expect from the rest of the population when this part of the population was put cancer between the American model of the 90s and the kleptocratic 2000s?

[pogis]

Ours in Syria (?)!

[fa2998]

Quote: razzhivin

it would be interesting to conduct such a poll among members of the forum: for example, I am positive

It would be interesting, I wanted to propose myself. Moreover, on different topics, I would like to know how the VO visitors "breathe".

[shelters]

I am sure that "VO visitors" are 98 percent "positive". The VO format itself is positive and forms the correct view of events in the world. What we have chosen inside, what we have matured to - that we read, there we improve. So tired of all this "boltology", lies and betrayal. Living honestly is more difficult materially, but easier for a mature soul.
Liberal and traitor will not be a visitor to VO. He will watch "Rain" and look for an opportunity to exchange his homeland for bucks.
I watch political programs on TV, and my finger is on the "mute" button (like on the trigger). I knock out liberals and Westerners on the first phrase until the physiognomy disappears from the frame.

[CONTROL]

Quote: Abris

I knock out liberals and Westerners on the first phrase until the physiognomy disappears from the frame.

... and I - their "faces", surnames and "personal data" remember!

[LMaksim]

Yes, we just got used to the fact that gasoline is getting more expensive, public transport is getting more expensive, food is getting more expensive, communal apartments are getting more expensive. This is our stability. In Europe, the increase in prices immediately causes concern, concern, but in our country this is the norm of life.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: LMaksim

and we can say this is the norm.

And for others, the norm of life is a yacht the size of a destroyer ...
As long as the herd being fed will be humming urrrya, the fleet of "destroyers" will grow.
This is a pattern.

[Elena2013]

Secret message of Nikolai Nikolaevich Nosov

[Eastern wind]

A typical state of affairs in our country through the magnifying glass of social polls and the media:

In the past it was bad, in the present it is even worse, and in the future an apocalypse is coming ... well, now about the weather for tomorrow.

[Baloo]

The results of the survey depend on the contingent of the respondents. So far I see that the majority of citizens somehow do not think about what would have happened if the Crimeans had not left Banderkraina for Russia. If Donbass had not rebelled, what would the Banderlog be doing in the territories bordering on Russia. By the way, how is it in the areas bordering on Banderkraina?
Donbass should definitely support my opinion, to prevent humanitarian catastrophe. Admitting them to Russia is a political decision in the competence of the GDP. We do not have access to such information in order to discuss this issue in a balanced manner, we can only express our opinion on emotions and because of our mentality.
You can see for yourself what shawarma was brewed by macaques from Fashington all over the world. Because of ISIS supplies of oil at bargain prices (for example, to the Turks), oil prices have collapsed, and I am generally silent about Geyrop.
I am for supporting Donbass in all ways, and I consider those who went to defend Donbass as volunteers to be real people. Rough, but a man it sounds proudly and all-embracing.