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Again "EVERYTHING"? ..

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The All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion (VTsIOM), with an interval of one day, conducted two remarkable sociological surveys. In the survey No. 2934, the research group inquired about the mood of Russians in the social sphere, and in the survey No. XXUMX, the authors tried to find out what thoughts Russians have when they are in touch with Russian-Ukrainian bilateral relations. At first glance, there is nothing in common in these two sociological surveys, but upon careful study you can draw attention to the fact that the results of one survey seem to follow from the results of another.


The result of the study on the study of the mood of Russians in terms of social expectations, was the statement of VTsIOM as follows:
Social attitudes of Russians are declining, optimism is falling, people are preparing for the deterioration of the situation in the country.


At the same time, the study does not address the question of how Russians (you and I) prepare for this “deterioration”: lying on the couch, folding their arms and rolling their eyes, or on shopping trips in order to buy salt, matches or rainy day "- the third TV and the fifth fridge? .. And maybe the preparation consists of digging shelters and additional cucumber twists? ..

Question from the study № 2934:
How do you generally assess the situation in the country?


To this question, the answers “Everything is fine”, “Everything is good” and “Everything is excellent” were given to 79% of respondents. For comparison, this is significantly higher than in the 2009-2013 period (on average, less than 60%). At the same time, the answers “Everything is bad” and “Everything is terrible” were noted by 18% (the rest refrained from having a definite answer) of the respondents. In 2009-2013, the “average” situation in the country was “terrified” by 32% of respondents.

Despite this, VTsIOM reports that "people are preparing for the deterioration of the situation in the country." Rather strange conclusions of experts, given that 79% is still more than 18% ... Or, in this situation, it is on 18% that everyone else “terrified” needs to focus on. Of course, the opinion of each respondent is interesting in its own way, but so that from a rather modest percentage to draw such far-reaching conclusions - hmm ...

Another question (or rather, the answer to it) in a study on the social expectations and attitudes of Russians confirms the thesis that VTsIOM’s conclusions are, to put it mildly, odd ... Is it “EVERYTHING” again? ..

Again "EVERYTHING"? ..


Question:
How do you generally assess the situation that has arisen specifically in your life?


Here, the answers “Everything is fine”, “Everything is good” and “Everything is excellent” give 88% of respondents altogether. Answers “Everything is bad” and “Everything is terrible” were given by 10% of respondents.

So what is the “deterioration” of mood? Apparently, in order to clarify their thesis, the VTsIOM staff, lead the social investigation of the 2935 number with some frankly radical statement of the question: “Russia-Ukraine: gulf or take-off?” Like, “heaven” or “hell” - there’s no third given ... The very wording of the survey does not seem to imply a middle ground, which is also difficult to explain, given that the division into black and white (without shades) is by definition not a task for the sociological monitoring service.

However, the questions themselves in social research № 2935 they look quite calmly, which is called, without fanaticism and frank yellowness they no longer give ... And here the answers of the polled Russians make it clear that for the majority the Ukrainian theme, as they say, responds with a sore heart, and this is more than explicable.

Question:
How would you rate the current relations between Russia and Ukraine?


The answer “tense” and “hostile” gave 67% of respondents (a record of all the last months and years), while such relations positively evaluate only 8%.

Indeed, it is difficult to assess Russian-Ukrainian relations with a “plus” sign, when Ukraine has recently become associated exclusively with the obscurantists of the Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, Turchinov, Lyashko formations, with the ground-attack planes of the right-wing axes and other Maidana bydlomass. It is difficult to perceive the presence of adequate people for all this rotten substance, and in fact there are millions of them even in the presence of endless anti-Russian and even anti-Russian propaganda in Ukraine. These are the most appropriate people who have realized the mega-divorce of themselves with tales of sweet European life and the manna of heaven from American “friends.” These are people who understand that Ukraine is used only as a springboard for pressure (including military) on Russia - a country that has common roots with Ukraine, common traditions, in fact, one people.

It would seem that Russians' sentiments about the Ukrainian crisis have been revealed, and therefore VTsIOM may “veil” its research tool. But no ... The center decides to ask the Russians (and those in the survey involved 1600 people from the 46 regions of the Russian Federation), do they think that Russia’s support is necessary for Donbas militias? At the same time, in question, as if passing, it is understood that "on the altar" lies "the normalization of relations with Ukraine and the West."

Question:
In your opinion, should Russia or should not, for the sake of improving relations with Ukraine and the West, cease all support for the Donbas militia?


Taking into account all previous findings of VTsIOM according to poll No. XXUMX and No. XXUMX, vague doubts crept in: if the Center for the Study of Public Opinion is going to ask about this after this question: “Shouldn't Crimea and Sevastopol be returned back to Kiev in order to improve relations with Ukraine and By the West? ”Well, if we decided to interview, we had to go all the way and declare that“ because of the support of Donbass and the adoption of Crimea and Sevastopol into Russia, “many” Russians began to feel a drop in optimism ”...

There was no such poll, but the fact that the state company asks whether it is necessary to support the Donbass or not is not even a bell, but a bell ...

So, the results:

11% of respondents said that it’s time to fully support the militia. And this position is most actively expressed by young people from 18 to 25. 58% of respondents are strongly opposed to curtailing support for the Donbas militia. As you can see, the ratio is “one to five” (1: 5), but tomorrow, the statistics services can present 1 to 2 to us, and the day after tomorrow 5 to 1 ...

These results hint that it is time to adjust the public opinion to the “new standards” using different methods and tools for the statistics services? .. Or did it seem necessary to cross? ..
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  1. Riv
    Riv 24 September 2015 05: 44 New
    +95
    At the next VTsIOM survey, 95% of respondents answered: “I went to ...” - and 5% tried to screw the interviewer off his feet. The survey concerned the attitude of Russians to the polls.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 24 September 2015 06: 01 New
      +30
      "Levada" forgot to ask more ... wassat
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 24 September 2015 06: 31 New
        +29
        In your opinion, should Russia or should not, for the sake of improving relations with Ukraine and the West, cease all support for the Donbas militia?

        Do you seriously think that this question is a provocation? In my opinion, with all the clumsiness of this poll, there is much more positive here. Firstly, VTsIOM recognizes the support of the Russian militia, and probably implies not only political. And it shows that for Russians the help of the militia more important than good relations with Ukraine.
        Secondly, the main customer polls VTsIOM is the state.
        The purpose of this question is to identify the number of those who disagree with the support of the Donbass militia, to read both the people of Donbass and their movement towards independence, and of the further movement towards Russia.
        And not least, this poll was conducted on the eve of elections in the Donbass. Recently Lavrov said that we are unable to influence the elections in the DPR, the LPR and their providence date in the Minsk agreements, and this does not contradict them. Ie there will not be such as in the year when Putin asked to wait with a referendum in the Donbass.
        And further...
        The RostSelMash company for the aid program to the republics supplied the new Vector 410 self-propelled combine harvesters in the basic configuration with 4 adapters (grain harvester, sunflower, corn and picker). Also combines are equipped with all service parts.
        The equipment is distinguished by its economy, reliability, ease of operation and comfort of the cabin, it is equipped with on-board computers.
        As of today, the DPR has already received 150 units of agricultural machinery, it is also expected to be 60.


        21 September The Republican Sanitary and Epidemiological Service received 6 new Niva vehicles as humanitarian aid from the Russian Federation.

        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 24 September 2015 07: 29 New
          +12
          Oh, and more than half a million refugees returned to the DPR. wink
          More than 500 thousands of Donetsk refugees returned to the DPR in 2015 year. As the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the self-proclaimed republic, Alexander Kofman, told Izvestia, the bulk of the returnees arrived from the eastern part of Ukraine.

          According to statistics, two years ago, more than three million people lived in the DPR. At the end of 2014, the number dropped by almost two times. Kofman explained that the mass return is partly due to the fact that it is becoming increasingly difficult for refugees to be in Ukraine.

          Gleb Kornilov, head of the Novorossia relief fund “We’re not Leaving”, told the publication that those who had returned home were positive. According to him, "if last summer the streets were empty ... now the parks and cafes are filled. People want to raise their republic."
          RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20150924/1277976145.html#ixzz3mcwUHGXN
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 24 September 2015 07: 55 New
            +18
            Quote: Sid.74
            Oh and more, over half a million refugees returned to the DPR

            But I’m not happy about this. something "on time" they return, before the election! But here:
            Eyewitnesses report a sharp increase in the population of Donetsk due to the ceasefire, which has reigned in the Donbas for several weeks.
            “Only a month, as they don’t shoot. But in Donetsk you will not push through. A lot of people and an unrealistic number of cars, including do not understand where the expensive foreign cars come from.
            This is coming back Kiev Donetsk. And Dnepropetrovsk Donetsk. And God knows what Donetsk people are. They come back to annoy the very fact of their existence of Donetsk and non-Donetsk Donetsk, like our political émigré brother.
            Well, they’d already be sitting in their European Kiev, or something. Was it in vain that they left Donetsk last spring?
            It seems that Donbass is not being pushed back to Ukraine, but Ukraine is trying with all its might to jump onto the bandwagon of the Donbass leaving for Russia. And yes - all of these Kiev residents are still the first to line up for Russian passports, you’ll see, ”says Konstantin Dolgov, coordinator of the White Paper project, which provides assistance to residents of the DPR and LPR who have suffered from the war.
            Donetsk political scientist Roman Manekin, in turn, notes that the influx of people not only in the capital of the DPR, but also in neighboring cities.
            “To the people, to the people! And cars! Everyone fusses, jogging and jogging! All shops are open, even the smallest. And even hairdressing salons, beauty salons, which has not happened since the spring-summer of 2014. In general, people returned from exile, trying to improve their lives, ”he notes.

            I wonder what kind of emigration is in their country?
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 24 September 2015 08: 11 New
              +13
              Quote: Egoza
              It seems that Donbass is not being pushed back into Ukraine, and Ukraine is trying in every way to jump on the steps of Donbass leaving for Russia. And yes - all these Kiev Donetsk residents are still the first to line up for Russian passports, you'll see. ”

              Yeah ... well what can I say? what - For a united and indivisible Ukraine ... within the Russian Federation.laughing
              1. RBLip
                RBLip 24 September 2015 09: 18 New
                +23
                Quote: Sid.74
                - For a united and indivisible Ukraine ... within the Russian Federation.

                Eugene ... that’s directly inciting me to ask a provocative question - do we need present Ukraine as part of the Russian Federation? all these fascists, Natsik, lyashki, femen. Well they work on a normal habit. better to ride on the next muidan ... as for me, so let them cook in their own brew. and we will sit on the shore, wait. because no matter how much they swagger, it will go to bad, everything will end sooooo fast. and then what?
                1. Sid.74
                  Sid.74 24 September 2015 09: 56 New
                  +15
                  Quote: RBLip
                  Yevgeny ... right now he’s kindling me to ask a provocative question - do we really need the current Ukraine within the Russian Federation?

                  The current Ukraine and will not. We will absorb gradually and with the restoration of order in these fragments.
                  After all, in the DNR and the LC, while the republican power is still being formed, the republics themselves are also being formed. In Crimea, for example, the power was, since Crimea was an autonomous republic.
                  Naturally, all svidomism phenomena will be burned with a hot iron. The entire political system of the used Ukraine’s power will be broken through the knee, along with the intractable oligarchs.
                  And this process of incorporating republics into the Russian Federation is a matter of more than one year, perhaps 5,10 years. Perhaps we will see Ukraine consisting exclusively of people's republics. South Ossetia is still being integrated with Russia, and a union state is being formed with Belarus. And all this is tied to economic the situation in the Russian Federation, and the foreign policy situation in the world. And all this time.
                  And we do not need Natsik.
                  Svidomye either see the light, or will be left behind with their embroidered shirts, with Shennevmerla and Bandera.
                  1. RBLip
                    RBLip 24 September 2015 10: 25 New
                    +11
                    Quote: Sid.74
                    Naturally, all svidomism phenomena will be burned with a hot iron. The entire political system of the used Ukraine’s power will be broken through the knee, along with the intractable oligarchs.
                    And this process of incorporating republics into the Russian Federation is a matter of more than one year, perhaps 5,10 years. Perhaps we will see Ukraine consisting exclusively of people's republics. South Ossetia is still being integrated with Russia, and a union state is being formed with Belarus. And all this is tied to economic the situation in the Russian Federation, and the foreign policy situation in the world. And all this time.
                    And we do not need Natsik.
                    Svidomye either see the light, or will be left behind with their embroidered shirts, with Shennevmerla and Bandera.

                    Yes that's right. but all these sound and correct ideas will, as always, be broken about the prose of life. but it turns out that quickly enough people from those fragments (this is not the DNI, and not the LC, although there are enough housekeepers there) will come to one simple idea - they masked everyone for it (they already hammered it), so let them feed, build, tame crime. Do we need it? how much did Russia cost the reconciliation of the Caucasus? Yes, and now there is not everything is peaceful and calm. and here are a few more pluses with an amorphous-repainted mass (here you are at least cutting me, but I’m sure that part of the Ukrainian population will just be fucked, and some will quickly change their embroidered shirts to two-headed shirts ...). and in their boshki sits and hollows - maskals are to blame for everything. Yes, and 5-10 years, you say? a lot of haha. they have grown generation nezalezhnikov. who are you and me hate. so far from five and not ten. and they are clearly not going to see.
                    1. Sid.74
                      Sid.74 24 September 2015 11: 03 New
                      +7
                      Quote: RBLip
                      they have grown generations nezalezhnikov. who hate you and me.

                      The same was said about Chechnya. Liberals, by the way.
                      And now they say why we need the Crimea, why we need the Donbass, why we need Syria? Well, with this approach, the whole "Russia" will fit into the borders of the Moscow region.
                      Quote: RBLip
                      yes and 5-10 yo, you say?
                      This is five to ten years a little, when the economy is working, there is work, when there is heating and gas. And if this is not all, there is a lot!yes
                  2. RBLip
                    RBLip 24 September 2015 10: 41 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Sid.74
                    The entire political system of second-hand Ukraine’s power will be broken through a knee

                    and further. That's about through the knee. Eugene, ask yourself a question - can our power in its current form through the knee? for some reason negative it doesn’t seem so. our savchenko (so fat with a brazen face, coming to court with a trident on a T-shirt) is not something that they didn’t solder for life (although in fact they should be put on a stake), but apparently they plan to change it. and the Vasilievs, stools, governors ... the list is endless.
                    1. Sid.74
                      Sid.74 24 September 2015 11: 15 New
                      +8
                      Quote: RBLip
                      Eugene, ask yourself the question - and can our government in its present form through the knee?

                      And this is like in judo, with all the softness of the reception, they land on the floor and are very hard.
                      Remember Khodarkovsky, remember Berezovsky. Now the governor will go along with his pocket OPG. Before this Sakhalin governor was detained.
                      Quote: RBLip
                      and Vasilyev, taburetkiny

                      Fraudsters and abusing their official position is a slightly different question. Here the law is extremely soft.
                      This is a legislative need to be corrected.
                      1. RBLip
                        RBLip 24 September 2015 14: 33 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Sid.74
                        Remember Khodarkovsky, remember Berezovsky. Now the governor will go along with his pocket OPG. Before this Sakhalin governor was detained.

                        Khodar is well-fed. I got the term, I got out by udo (although I had to get life in fact), now I’m working on a hill over the hill (if anything, an ordinary person can wrap up with a housing and communal service duty when leaving the country, well, by the way). women - until the last moment I was hanging out in London, although I should receive a tower tower. gober will go to the bunk or not, let's see, although 90% of what is not. they won’t wait for an amnesty or amnesty (even if he sits down, we recall Vasilyev, who could not be found in the zone).
                        Quote: Sid.74
                        Here, in general, the law is extremely soft.
                        This is a legislative need to be corrected.

                        law selectively soft. and that’s the trouble. remember? "corruption will destroy this country."
                      2. Starley from the south
                        Starley from the south 25 September 2015 01: 05 New
                        +2
                        Quote: RBLip
                        Khodar is well-fed. received a term, left for udo (although in fact he should have received a life sentence)

                        Yes, you're right ... Long live our court, the most humane court in the world! laughing laughing laughing In the United States, for this (tax evasion) he would have received all 99 years of imprisonment, or even 299 years! Ce la vie, however.
            2. aleks 62 next
              aleks 62 next 24 September 2015 10: 26 New
              +5
              .... For a single and indivisible Ukraine ... as part of the Russian Federation ..

              ... And we need it ???? .... A very dubious acquisition .... Read the comments at least in such a resource (rather neutral) as Today wa ....
              1. Starley from the south
                Starley from the south 25 September 2015 01: 10 New
                0
                Quote: aleks 62 next
                .And we need it ???? ....

                On h.r.e., we have all of Ukraine, now Dill, we will not feed so many maydauns! Enough east and south, and let the rest go to Poland, Romania or to the underworld, where they have the place!
          2. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 24 September 2015 10: 21 New
            +2
            ... Ukraine is trying by all means to jump onto the bandwagon of the Donbass, which is leaving for Russia. ... all these Kiev residents of Donetsk are still the first to line up for Russian passports, you’ll see, ”says Konstantin Dolgov,


            .... This we have already passed .... Just replace the "Donbass" on the "Crimea" ...
          3. lelikas
            lelikas 24 September 2015 11: 12 New
            +7
            Quote: Egoza
            I wonder what kind of emigration is in their country?

            I can’t disagree - with the start of the war, in St. Petersburg there were an order of magnitude more foreign cars with Ukrainian numbers, but the DNI flag was seen only once and then on an old “check”. Moreover, those who return, the loudest will be the gum. Help and demand all sorts of compensation.
          4. 2С5
            2С5 24 September 2015 11: 31 New
            +6
            ... the same "regime victims" are returning! Only they have not yet figured out what kind of regime ... they will sit, chat with their feet, they will whip the seeds, gossip among themselves, and then shit! and who is in favor for that and we! LDNR will be trampling uphill, which means that the Powerscenders, hiding behind democracy, killed the poor and robbed us ... if God forbid, on the contrary (which I doubt very much), then the new Russian bandits who dared encroach on the most sacred, ukrodemocracy and a legitimate government! And we rush back to Kiev to warn everyone well and for help jaustically ... This is the confusion of Putanov’s blood .. and they will run "both ours and yours" until the black migrants determine their reservations ... so it will be
          5. veksha50
            veksha50 24 September 2015 14: 36 New
            +4
            Quote: Egoza
            including do not understand where the expensive cars come from.



            I report: sitting on the neck of their relatives, some bought expensive foreign cars here in Russia ... not forgetting to blaspheme it at the same time ...

            "What kind of emigration is this?"...

            Strange, very strange emigration ...

            Why did I in my upper commentary say that it was impossible for VTsIOM to pose questions so radically and demand radical answers to them during the polls ... All this has multiple shades, and often by no means bright ...
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 24 September 2015 14: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Sid.74
          Oh, and more than half a million refugees returned to the DPR.



          I just wanted to cover up VTsIOM with my mothers for these polls, but Sid.74 managed to find the positive in them that I almost convinced ...

          However, I’ll still say: you can’t pose such questions radically and you can’t get a radical answer to them ...

          It would be difficult for me personally to immediately give a clear answer "Yes" or "No" to the first, to the second question ... Not everything is black and white, there are many nuances ...

          Therefore, I am also wary of these percentages named by VTsIOM ...
          These questions should have been divided into sub-questions, and not so - with a hammer on the head ...
      2. razzhivin
        razzhivin 24 September 2015 10: 03 New
        +5
        In your opinion, should Russia or should not, for the sake of improving relations with Ukraine and the West, cease all support for the Donbas militia?

        such a question is not a provocation, but it contains the assumption of a causal relationship between Russia's support of militias and bad relations with Ukraine ... in that order !!! negative
        but the history of events and the logic of the processes say that bad relations with Ukraine lie in the coming to power of a "pro-Western" government, and if you drip a little deeper, then in "fooling the population" as a result of the activities of Western funds (which started even earlier) ... and support or not support the militia - there won’t be good relations with Ukraine under the current Ukrainian regime ... the whole difference is how we will be treated as a strong or weak BUT AN OPPONENT! negative
        Therefore, such a statement of the question (for a sociological survey) is at least incorrect! request But many more deeply (than questioners) understand the situation ...

        A POSITIVE ANSWERS TO OTHER QUESTIONS I AM pleased !! good
    2. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 24 September 2015 08: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      "Levada" forgot to ask more ...

      That's for sure, there would probably be 146% :-)
      1. tank64rus
        tank64rus 24 September 2015 14: 35 New
        0
        With Levada, it’s clear the US State Department’s body, but who steers the VTsIOM. Russian no one can not win, only betrayal. It is necessary to drive the traitors out of power before they destroy Russia.
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    3. lukewarm
      lukewarm 24 September 2015 13: 49 New
      0
      laughing With tongue removed ....
    4. Alf
      Alf 24 September 2015 21: 44 New
      -1
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      "Levada" forgot to ask more ...

      And "Rain." They would wind up ...
  2. siberalt
    siberalt 24 September 2015 07: 27 New
    +3
    What is incomprehensible here? What answer VTsIOM will order, such will receive. laughing Who would believe them?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 September 2015 07: 31 New
      +7
      Quote: siberalt
      Who would believe them?

      The question is different, at least someone, at least some of those who were interviewed on the site? me never request
      1. pastoret69
        pastoret69 24 September 2015 11: 21 New
        +2
        Hello, Alexander .., you won’t believe .., you yourself constantly asked the same question .., at least someone was questioned .. and a miracle happened .., they called me))
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 24 September 2015 14: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: pastoret69
          You won’t believe it, you yourself constantly asked the same question .., at least someone was questioned .. and a miracle happened .., they called me))



          hmm ... If I were Stanislavsky, I would say: "I do not believe !!!" ...

          PS It seems to me that all these polls and reviews are being made up without leaving the office ... Well, maybe 50 people will call if there is no laziness ...
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 25 September 2015 08: 43 New
            0
            Quote: veksha50
            hmm ... If I were Stanislavsky, I would say: "I do not believe !!!" ...

            ... well, I'm Stanislavsky! I did not say that! And he said: "went to ...!" ...
    2. anip
      anip 24 September 2015 09: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: siberalt
      What answer VTsIOM will order, such will receive.

      Exactly. If only it was suitable for Putin’s propaganda.
  3. marlin1203
    marlin1203 24 September 2015 11: 47 New
    +3
    "They scared a hedgehog naked ... opoy" - those who are at least 30 scary hard. We remember such a mess in the country that “some inconvenience” associated with the lack of any delicacies and the ability to dangle abroad do not scare us. It’s harder with the young. They have grown already in conditions of relative prosperity and an abundance of goods, so that they can “flinch” what
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 25 September 2015 08: 46 New
      0
      Quote: marlin1203
      "They scared a hedgehog naked ... opoy" - those who are at least 30 scary hard. We remember such a mess in the country that “some inconvenience” associated with the lack of any delicacies and the ability to dangle abroad do not scare us. It’s harder with the young. They have grown already in conditions of relative prosperity and an abundance of goods, so that they can “flinch” what

      ...and most importantly: - suddenly the Internet will be turned off! and skype ... and mobile!... this is death! ...
  4. CONTROL
    CONTROL 25 September 2015 08: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Riv
    At the next VTsIOM survey, 95% of respondents answered: “I went to ...” - and 5% tried to screw the interviewer off his feet. The survey concerned the attitude of Russians to the polls.

    not 5% but 15%! ... And they didn’t "try", but "screwed"!
    ... this will be seen from subsequent "polls" ...
  • Name
    Name 24 September 2015 05: 45 New
    +12
    Greetings to all! The whole question is in raising the question (sorry for the tautology). And based on the questions asked, the question arises - who compiled the questionnaire ... recourse laughing Probably some kind of NGO from the western "partners" provided.
    1. meriem1
      meriem1 24 September 2015 08: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: name
      Greetings to all! The whole question is in raising the question (sorry for the tautology). And based on the questions asked, the question arises - who compiled the questionnaire ... recourse laughing Probably some kind of NGO from the western "partners" provided.


      So it does not matter! All one overwhelming majority in the positive !!! And the liberal MINORITY is aching about what kind of life we ​​have here miserable since the 90s. When they were torn from the feeder. Then they behaved like boyars. And as they were seen in corruption, so over the hill run. There are criminals, and there are fighters with the "regime."
  • Finches
    Finches 24 September 2015 05: 46 New
    +8
    We will be alive, do not die!
    And they like to poke us ... I myself sometimes happen to sin with this! laughing
    And polls are generally an exclusively socio-political order of interested parties! Like a match-up in football!
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 24 September 2015 14: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Finches
      And they like to poke us ... I myself sometimes happen to sin with this!


      Eugene ! I myself am sinful ...

      However, there is a difference - say in the hearts of the kitchen in the circle of family and friends, or go to the Swamp and water all around with slop ...

      I consider myself a Zaputin, however, if he had heard how many matyuk I had been pronounced against him !!!

      So nagging nagging - discord ...

      And that is - we will be alive - we will not die !!!
  • Sasha75
    Sasha75 24 September 2015 06: 03 New
    +35
    The people generally think of something else, so the Communists stole them that way, the so-called pitchforks of the current Vars are ashamed of the servant’s house in the country when they didn’t steal like that now. In reality, if all the money is returned to the country and the budget of 5 years, you can not work for everyone.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 24 September 2015 06: 19 New
      +9
      The government cannot understand that stolen officials need not be removed, but hanged. Then, little by little, everything will work out.
      1. diz1975
        diz1975 24 September 2015 06: 53 New
        +4
        It is not that simple...
        Even Peter the first wanted to issue a decree to hang an official if he steals more than the cost of the rope. He was told that Russia could be left without officials .....
        Something needs to be done ... But I personally don’t know what ... But definitely not to hang.
        1. anip
          anip 24 September 2015 09: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: diz1975
          He was told that Russia could be left without officials .....

          Nonsense. A holy place is never empty. Others will come who either because of beliefs will not steal, or because of fear.

          Quote: diz1975
          Something needs to be done ... But I personally don’t know what ... But definitely not to hang.

          And do not hang. Serdyukov was given the hero of Russia, Vasilyev was released. And no one wondered how Vasilyeva could earn such money that she was able to return about 260 million rubles (I don’t remember exactly) and still write an application for the return of seized funds in the amount of 300 million rubles. And this stopudovo is not all with her. I repeat: how could she make that kind of money? But no, somehow "earned", but you can’t hang. Well then shoot.
          1. lukewarm
            lukewarm 24 September 2015 13: 56 New
            0
            Quote: anip
            Serdyukov gave the hero of Russia

            No fakes, so it's bad. After all
            Quote: anip
            Vasiliev was released
          2. novobranets
            novobranets 24 September 2015 15: 04 New
            0
            Quote: anip
            Others will come who either because of beliefs will not steal, or because of fear.

            Not so long ago, arguing with friends about corruption. They agreed on one thing, it is necessary to hang (or plant), otherwise the infection will overwhelm everything that it has not yet reached (if there is one). And secondly, if there is an honest person who is ready to serve not for fear, but for conscience, he will not be allowed into the government, under any pretext, for any position. Those who dug in there honest people are not needed. For them, honest are dangerous.
          3. EvgNik
            EvgNik 25 September 2015 05: 39 New
            0
            Quote: anip
            how could she make that kind of money?

            "" The vice-speaker of the Berezniki City Council Andrei Musikhin, accused of transferring a bribe on an especially large scale, may leave the pre-trial detention center on bail of 25 million rubles ""
            "" On September 23, the ex-deputy was charged with a particularly large amount of mediation by a group of persons in bribery. For this, a fine of 70 to 90 times the amount of the bribe (for Musikhin and Lebedev from 753,2 to 968,4 million rubles) or imprisonment of 7 to 12 years with a fine of 70 times the amount of the bribe, those. 753,2 million rubles) ""

            What is there Vasilyeva! That's how they steal from us in the Urals! But part of the bribes still goes to Moscow.
        2. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 24 September 2015 09: 45 New
          0
          Something needs to be done ...
          Here Siluanov and Ulyukaev suggest raising the retirement age to 65 years under the pretext of saving the budget. wink
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        4. lukewarm
          lukewarm 24 September 2015 13: 54 New
          0
          Quote: diz1975
          I don’t know what ... But just do not hang.

          laughing Correctly. Tie on the back with a barbed wire tie and set fire. Let him atone. And to another world with a clear conscience. From there still UDO did not happen.
        5. CONTROL
          CONTROL 25 September 2015 08: 49 New
          0
          Quote: diz1975
          It is not that simple...
          Even Peter the first wanted to issue a decree to hang an official if he steals more than the cost of the rope. He was told that Russia could be left without officials .....
          Something needs to be done ... But I personally don’t know what ... But definitely not to hang.

          ... maybe raise prices for ropes? if so - 1 ...
      2. tomket
        tomket 24 September 2015 07: 07 New
        0
        Quote: novobranets
        that stolen officials should not be removed, but hanged. Then, little by little, everything will work out.

        Come on. If you weren’t able to play with Vasilyeva Farce .....
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 24 September 2015 14: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: novobranets
        The government cannot understand that stolen officials need not be removed, but hanged. Then, little by little, everything will work out.


        I agree with you ... However, the question is: in China, despite the ranks and positions, they are shot, in Thailand and Pakistan, too, something like ... however, they continue to steal ...

        PS However, I think that if at least 30 percent reduction in theft, then even in this case there would be no problems with the budget ...
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 24 September 2015 14: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: veksha50
          However, the question is: in China, despite the ranks and positions, they are shot, in Thailand and Pakistan, too, something like ... however, they continue to steal ...

          But, you see, not on such a scale. And not so often. And not so brazenly. And over time, the Chinese will bring this infection to the root.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 24 September 2015 15: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: novobranets
            And over time, the Chinese will bring this infection to the root.



            I wish that this happened not only in China ...
            1. novobranets
              novobranets 24 September 2015 16: 00 New
              0
              Just as I would like. Well, for the fulfillment of desires. drinks
  • afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 24 September 2015 06: 04 New
    +3
    Who pays and orders a survey, and turn it upside down like two fingers on the asphalt .. laughing the funniest thing about these polls is does anyone else believe them?
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 24 September 2015 06: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      Who pays and orders a survey, and turn it upside down like two fingers on the asphalt .. laughing the funniest thing about these polls is does anyone else believe them?

      Well, it's been known for a long time:
      Execution cannot be pardoned.
      Put the commas yourself. So these are all polls.
  • bmv04636
    bmv04636 24 September 2015 06: 11 New
    +4
    I have a question for forum users, has anyone ever participated in at least one social poll?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 24 September 2015 07: 43 New
      +4
      I participated a couple of times. When the questionnaire was issued, he wrote truthfully. And when pretty girls asked questions, I hung noodles on their ears like I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I don’t swear at him, and in general everything is openwork, and you want to take a dick. laughing That's how we live.
    2. ivan bogomolov
      ivan bogomolov 24 September 2015 08: 17 New
      +2
      I also accidentally participated, but the feeling that this crap did not leave me, all for show, and for which they decide for themselves. wassat
    3. pastoret69
      pastoret69 24 September 2015 11: 24 New
      0
      Hello, I already answered above to Alexander Romanov .., yes, I participated
    4. CONTROL
      CONTROL 25 September 2015 08: 54 New
      0
      Quote: bmv04636
      I have a question for forum users, has anyone ever participated in at least one social poll?

      I spent them! ...
      He was involved in conducting opinion polls. The results - to say the least! - surprised ...
  • Same lech
    Same lech 24 September 2015 06: 13 New
    +5
    These results are a hint that it is time for the statistical services to adjust public opinion to the “new standards” using various methods and tools? .. Or did it seem and should be crossed?


    It didn’t seem ....

    These polls are a very convenient form of juggling public opinion ....
    this is especially noticeable on various television shows ... no offense to the presenters it will be said.
    1. anip
      anip 24 September 2015 09: 25 New
      0
      Quote: The same Lech
      no offense to the presenters, this will be said.

      And why no offense? Yes, TV presenters themselves know this, moreover, they do it.
  • Vityok
    Vityok 24 September 2015 06: 19 New
    +2
    Would it be better to ask the people how much of the population believes these "polls"?
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 24 September 2015 06: 20 New
    +3
    Chef, everything is gone. Barack leaves, sanctions are lifted. Maidan again in Russia does not pass. (From the report of the 1st Secretary of the US Embassy in Russia to Ambassador John F. Tefft) laughing
  • Lumumba
    Lumumba 24 September 2015 06: 22 New
    +7
    Quote: bmv04636
    I have a question for forum users, has anyone ever participated in at least one social poll?


    Incidentally, a topical issue. Who is being interviewed by VTsIOM? I’ve never really seen those “interviewed” in my life. I assume that VTsIOM (and others) takes all the data from the Internet.
    1. Loner_53
      Loner_53 24 September 2015 08: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Lumumba
      I assume that VTsIOM (and others) takes all the data from the Internet.

      Or maybe as the "psaki" in the office smile
  • Valga
    Valga 24 September 2015 06: 30 New
    +7
    Even if you have to tighten your belts, the main thing is that the country does not bend like Europe, and more often thieves are stolen politicians and governors.
    1. anip
      anip 24 September 2015 09: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Valga
      Even if you have to tighten your belts,

      Why even? Already long pulled up. And more precisely, they never relaxed. And there are 80 percent of these in the country. Only now these calls and nonsense about "tightening their belts" are already tired. I’m waiting for everything, when the oligarchs, rulers, guarantor and putinoids begin to tighten their belts, and not on the people, but on themselves. Apparently, I will never wait.
      From the same opera, screaming about patriotism. They yelled and screamed about patriotism, and one of the patriots in Israel is being treated, the other in Italy, this, you see, from great patriotism.
      1. lukewarm
        lukewarm 24 September 2015 13: 59 New
        -1
        Quote: anip
        guarantor and putinoids

        Somehow ... ahem ... Maybe you need a "censor"? Although the issues are not measured to power.
  • moskowit
    moskowit 24 September 2015 06: 52 New
    +1
    All these polls are from the Evil One. The list of questions always has a given vector. And they are always made to please the customer. ORDER is executed!
  • fa2998
    fa2998 24 September 2015 06: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    Who pays and orders a survey, and turn it upside down like two fingers on the asphalt .. laughing the funniest thing about these polls is does anyone else believe them?

    These polls are very similar to the official statistics, lies and propaganda! They know where to go, who to ask. In our region (the Russian Donbass) you won’t lure the questionnaires and gingerbread, they say such things (about government policy), you’ll grab your head. The numbers will change. hi
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 24 September 2015 12: 52 New
      +2
      These polls are very similar to the official statistics - lies and propaganda! They know where to go, who to ask.

      I don’t want to blame the VTsIOM indiscriminately, but fa2998 in many respects right ... the selection in 1600 of respondents from 46 regions seems representative, but ...

      depending on which district of the city you can conduct a survey, you can predict its results ... in each locality there are areas (neighborhoods / houses) where depressive moods prevail, and vice versa ... such simple manipulations can really achieve the desired result .. The result can be distorted even without target settings, only due to the habits of those who collect data ...

      so that request

      it would be interesting to conduct such a survey among members of the forum: for example, I am positive good , despite all the difficulties that the country is objectively experiencing request .
      It seems to me important that we, as a nation, again believe in ourselves ...
      at the end of the 90's it seemed that ALL angry
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 September 2015 07: 02 New
    +3
    The answers “Everything is bad” and “Everything is terrible” were given by 10% of respondents.

    Allowable percentage, given that in the country, even under excellent conditions, there will always be these 10% of "all-ensemble". Therefore, we can conclude that the Russian people are optimistic in nature.
  • bulat
    bulat 24 September 2015 07: 03 New
    +5
    As taught, the question already has half the answer. What question you ask, you will get such an answer.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 25 September 2015 09: 02 New
      0
      Quote: bulat
      As taught, the question already has half the answer. What question you ask, you will get such an answer.

      В correctly posed question... not half! 98 percent ... The remaining 2% - sent you to ..., or asked for a hundred "before pay - urgently needed! ... pipes are on fire! ..."
  • 31rus
    31rus 24 September 2015 07: 18 New
    +2
    There are no objective polls and there is no believing not to believe everyone’s business, but what these statistics put on the “top” is another question. For example, according to these polls, at least 40-55% of citizens should have come to the polls, and 30% came, well, where is the objectivity, all these polls, the game and the manipulation of opinion and certain individuals and structures, the poll should be in the form of a “referendum”, which is not difficult to do by including them in the elections, which by the way will increase the attendance of the elections themselves, and there will be more benefits
  • Socialism 2.0
    Socialism 2.0 24 September 2015 07: 25 New
    +3
    Yes, we know these Livadas, VTsIOMs and other Carnegie .... Instead of 8,6% draw 86%.
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 24 September 2015 07: 47 New
    +3
    Yes, what is there to interrogate, there are two categories of people - one nevermind, and the other is absolutely not sure about tomorrow. That's the whole poll hi
  • Begemot
    Begemot 24 September 2015 08: 23 New
    +6
    In your opinion, should Russia or should not, for the sake of improving relations with Ukraine and the West, cease all support for the Donbas militia?
    And it seemed to me that not only Russia supports militias, in the DPR and LPR there are ordinary people whom Russia supports. Strange wording.
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 24 September 2015 08: 25 New
    +4
    There is no contradiction in the answers of people. And this is the merit of the economic bloc of our government, which compete among themselves in describing the pace of economic decline, that is, those people whose purpose is to raise economies compete among themselves in describing the troubles that await us instead of resigning unanimously because of their own lack of talent . Therefore, all the right people, including myself, believe that since it’s possible to live now, it will be worse according to the statement of our government.
  • Oman 47
    Oman 47 24 September 2015 08: 30 New
    +1
    Believe opinion polls and state statistics ???
    KINDERGARTEN.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 24 September 2015 08: 34 New
    +7
    When all the rats escaped, the ship stopped sinking.
  • Loner_53
    Loner_53 24 September 2015 08: 46 New
    +2
    11% of respondents said that it was time to completely stop support for the militias.


    These are 11% and it's time to completely turn off angry
  • Zolotse
    Zolotse 24 September 2015 09: 04 New
    +2
    I don’t know who answered so amicably what kind of target audience. 5 years ago they drew me to participate in one survey, 90% percent, even without particularly understanding the essence, were immediately told that they had no time. 5% of men obviously flirted and stuck, wrote all kinds of nonsense, seeing a pretty girl. It was possible to "testify" normally with a handful of people. Then I had to run around and beg my friends to answer, in order to donate the right amount, my mother filled a couple of pieces to help the bleeding. I no longer participate in such a thing. And about the correctness and validity of the questions, I generally keep quiet ... this is a separate sad topic
  • maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 24 September 2015 09: 12 New
    +1
    it would be better to work! go, garbage suffer .. some polls! ... where did they interview them? all around Russia? or ran around Moscow? 20% of Russians probably live in Moscow in Moscow))) and they ask about patriotism! I didn’t see something in our questionnaires in Novosibirsk, I doubt that they were in Barnaul, Tomsk, Kemerovo, Perm, Vorkuta, Norilsk, Vladivostok and many other cities!
  • press officer
    press officer 24 September 2015 09: 16 New
    +6
    Quote: meriem1
    All one overwhelming majority in the positive !!! And the liberal MINORITY is aching about what kind of life we ​​have here miserable since the 90s. When they were torn from the feeder. Then they behaved like boyars. And as they were seen in corruption, so over the hill run. There are criminals, and there are fighters with the "regime."



    Live example. A "brother" from the 90s goes to the same rocking chair with my acquaintance, and he (brother) whines endlessly, how right now he doesn’t live well in Russia, what kind of government we have is worthless and they don’t give him money to make, and that’s all watching him ( what ) in short everything is bad, etc. etc. an acquaintance could not stand it and asked him once “that when it was possible to kill people in the streets and rob people with impunity or to squeeze out shops with kiosks or apartments in front of everyone and without regard to anyone, to live by the concepts and not observe any laws, then it was "well? or the fact that you weren’t injured then in the 90s, you weren’t killed, you weren’t killed or your relatives gave you the right to believe that life was good in the 90s?" the little brother’s jaw dropped ... I didn’t dare to say something, because everyone in the audience immediately paid attention to it .. maybe I understood something if my brains remained ... request A friend was born after all these sad events of the 90s, the more valuable were his words to all those present in the hall. Not all young people are spoiled) And those who vote “for returning to the 90s”, following the example of Hodor’s son and his friends, who did not squeeze money and enterprises into their own pocket, should beat for a long time and it’s very painful ... angry for good they don’t understand .. fool
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 24 September 2015 14: 04 New
      0
      Quote: press attache
      you have to beat for a long time and it really hurts ...

      To warn with their screech and educate those who are embarking on such a path
  • atamankko
    atamankko 24 September 2015 10: 07 New
    +1
    The topic is relevant, nobody knows where and how the results are made,
    and ordinary people believe in this nonsense.
  • Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 24 September 2015 10: 07 New
    -1
    All opinion polls conducted with the filing and initiative of the fifth column from the evil one! It is always important who and how conducts the survey! The wording of the questions! A sample of respondents! What places and social groups conducted the survey! Of course, if you take the audience of Rain and Echo. That and the result is appropriate.
  • 1536
    1536 24 September 2015 10: 50 New
    0
    There are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies and statistics.
    Perestroika in the 1985 year also began with general phrases and demagogy, the search for "dissatisfied" and "deceived." Since then, the government, the President and the people have stopped listening and trusting various "forecasts." For better or worse, it’s a fact that just right to investigate this VTsIOM.
  • akudr48
    akudr48 24 September 2015 10: 59 New
    +3
    It’s time to customize public opinion with various methods and tools for statistical services to “new standards”? .. Or it seemed, and we need to cross ourselves? ..

    It did not seem, unfortunately.

    The VTsIOM depicts liberal independence from Russia, this structure is like an outsider, but an honest observer, observes and reports to the progressive public about the processes and what people think about the most important issues in the life of the country.

    But in fact, it directs these processes in the direction that the ruling liberal group needs. He asks questions like "what do you prefer to drink in the morning, vodka or beer", vilely assuming that a Russian person will definitely drink something.

    So with the Donbass, and then with the Crimea, they will soon begin to figure out in TsIOM which of them Russia should first refuse support.
    To freely return to the civilized world and the azure shores to their stolen assets to continue the banquet.

    Is it time to ask TsIOM such a question, "who do you work for, Washington, Tel Aviv or Brussels", allowing the choice of several options.

    And then judge this liberal raspberry by the results ...
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 24 September 2015 14: 14 New
      -1
      Quote: akudr48
      judge this liberal raspberry by results

      The same applies to the government.
      In general, during the "after the Crimea" persistent feeling of schizophrenia, i.e. splitting of consciousness. It seems that they got involved in the war (it’s high time, if we want to live), they didn’t leave another choice. The course does not seem to change (yet). Donbass, Syria. So what does VTsIOM, Levada, Echo not plug in any way? Will it come when the bombs fall? No other way? Or does it leave an illusion that everything will end and heal in the old way? What are we waiting for?
  • Coboklo
    Coboklo 24 September 2015 11: 30 New
    0
    Me and my friends are not affected in any way by the results of interrogations, even by VTsIOM, or even by a bald dash.
    My children and grandchildren do not pay attention to them either (to the results of polls).
    The main thing is their own understanding of what is happening and their own assessment of the phenomena.
    I believe that the vast majority of the country's population does just that.
  • Above_name
    Above_name 24 September 2015 17: 18 New
    0
    Quote: veksha50
    veksha50 (1) SU Today, 14:32 ↑
    .....
    I just wanted to cover up VTsIOM with my mothers for these polls, but Sid.74 managed to find the positive in them that I almost convinced ...
    However, I’ll still say: you can’t pose such questions radically and you can’t get a radical answer to them ...
    ....
    Therefore, I am also wary of these percentages named by VTsIOM ...
    These questions should have been divided into sub-questions, and not so - with a hammer on the head ...



    .How do you generally assess the situation that has arisen specifically in your life?
    Here, the answers “Everything is fine”, “Everything is good” and “Everything is excellent” give 88% of respondents altogether. Answers “Everything is bad” and “Everything is terrible” were given by 10% of respondents.
    So what, in fact, is the “deterioration” of mood? ...



    There are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies and statistics, but the worst is half-truth.
    For example, six months ago, the answers “Everything is fine”, “Everything is good” and “Everything is fine” gave also 88% of respondents, and the answers “Everything is bad” and “Everything is terrible” gave 9.9% of respondents. So much for the “deterioration” of mood.
  • IAlex
    IAlex 24 September 2015 17: 42 New
    +1
    Well, about 18 percent it is clear, and what did the VTsIOM expect from the rest of the population when this part of the population was cancerized between the American model of the 90s and the kleptocratic 2000s?
  • pogis
    pogis 24 September 2015 19: 02 New
    0
    Ours in Syria (?)!
  • fa2998
    fa2998 24 September 2015 19: 03 New
    0
    Quote: razzhivin
    it would be interesting to conduct such a survey among members of the forum: for example, I am positive

    It would be interesting, I would like to propose it myself. Moreover, on various topics, I want to know how visitors of the VO "breathe". hi
  • shelters
    shelters 24 September 2015 21: 51 New
    -1
    I am sure that "VO visitors" are 98 percent "positive." The Wo format itself is positive and forms the correct view of events in the world. What we have chosen inside, to what we have matured, we read, and there we are improving ourselves. So tired of all this "boltology", a lie and betrayal. Living honestly is more difficult financially, but easier for a mature soul.
    The liberal and traitor will not be a visitor to VO. He will watch "Rain" and look for an opportunity to exchange his homeland for bucks.
    I watch political programs on TV, and the finger on the "mute" button (like a trigger). I beat out the liberals and Westerners in the first sentence until the physiognomy disappears from the frame.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 25 September 2015 09: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Abris
      I knock out liberals and Westerners in the first sentence until the physiognomy disappears from the frame.

      ... and I - their "faces", surnames and "personal data" remember!
  • LMaksim
    LMaksim 24 September 2015 22: 20 New
    +1
    Yes, it's just that we are already used to the fact that gasoline is getting more expensive, public transport is getting more expensive, food is getting more expensive, the communal apartment is getting more expensive. This is our stability. In Europe, the increase in prices immediately causes concern, concern, and here we can say this is the norm.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 24 September 2015 22: 38 New
      0
      Quote: LMaksim
      and here we can say this is the norm.

      And for others, the norm is a yacht the size of a destroyer ...
      While the coddled herd will moo while snatching, the fleet of destroyers will grow.
      This is a pattern.
    2. Elena2013
      Elena2013 27 September 2015 01: 43 New
      0
      The Secret Message of Nikolai Nikolaevich Nosov
  • Eastern wind
    Eastern wind 24 September 2015 22: 55 New
    +2
    A typical state of affairs in our country through a social survey and media magnifier:

    In the past it was bad, in the present it is even worse, and in the future the apocalypse is coming ... well, and now about the weather for tomorrow.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 25 September 2015 19: 12 New
    0
    The results of the survey depend on the contingent of respondents. So far I see that most citizens somehow do not think about what would happen if the Crimeans did not leave Banderkrain to Russia. If Donbass had not rebelled, what would banderlogs be doing in the territories bordering Russia. By the way, how is it in the areas bordering with banderkraina?
    My opinion clearly support Donbass, to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe. Accepting them as part of Russia is a political decision within the competence of GDP. We do not have access to such information in order to discuss this issue in a balanced manner, we can only express our opinion on emotions and because of our mentality.
    You yourself see what kind of shawarma brewed macaques from Fashington around the world. Due to the supply of oil by ISIS at bargain prices (for example, to the Turks), oil prices collapsed, but I am generally silent about the geyrop.
    I am for supporting Donbass by all means, and those who went to defend Donbass as volunteers, I think are real people. Rude, but man it sounds proud and comprehensive.