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Why were needed deportations. In terms of military logic

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Why were needed deportations. In terms of military logic



To say that the leadership of the USSR were fools is possible. But this is not so

The Stalinist deportations of the peoples of the USSR (the Balts, the Crimean Tatars, etc.) are now customarily explained by the cruelty and vengefulness of the tyrant. And let's try from a logical point of view ...

First, let's decide: the deportations were not invented by Stalin. The removal from the front line of “unreliable” nations is a common thing in the military practice of all countries of the world.

It occurs with varying degrees of rigidity - from gentle administrative expulsions to total destruction.

And here too - not Stalin set a record. Turks at the beginning of the First World War cut out their unreliable Armenians by the roots. The Austrians drove the unreliable Galician Rusyns into the death camps - Talerhof and Terezin, from which very few people returned alive.

The “bloody” Stalin acted differently - he moved the nations over the vast territory of the USSR.

Why did he need it? Let us estimate: the war is beginning (it is already under way, it has just ended). The whole economy works in the maximum degree of tension, every person, every liter of fuel, every railway carriage counts ...

And then the leader makes a decision from some “hangover”: let’s move a couple of hundreds of thousands of some people somewhere for a couple of thousand kilometers ... The national economy stands on its ears: tens of thousands of people are distracted from the needs of the front and the military-industrial complex (military, militia, administrators, transport workers, supplies), hundreds of trains begin to haul unhappy people with their belongings across the country’s floor instead of hauling coal, steel, Tanks and shells ...

Further: the territory from which the whole nation is taken out becomes unproductive for a long time. And the territory, where this people were brought, spends a precious resource on reception and elementary arrangement of those who arrived. How much these migrations of peoples then cost in money is difficult to count. But the blow to the country's economy was definitely strong.

Children in such cases ask the question: "Uncle, are you a fool?"

To say that the leadership of the USSR were fools is possible. But this is not so. Fools don't win wars. Especially the world. So, in the actions of Stalin was the logic. Which one?

I will try to explain it on the most typical example - the deportation of the Crimean Tatars to Uzbekistan in the spring of 1944.

Well, I hope you know that the Crimean Tatars actively supported the German occupation? The commander of the 11 of the German army, Colonel-General von Manstein, with some surprise, wrote: “The Tatars immediately took our side. They saw in us their liberators from the Bolshevik yoke ... "

I will not analyze the reasons right now, I just state: during the German occupation, a small Crimean Tatar folk put Hitler more than 20 thousand fighters - combatant battalions, policemen, punitive ... Number of Crimean Tatars (per capita) who swore to Hitler, made the World War II record . It is a fact.

After the Soviet army beat off Crimea in April 1944, a fair number of Tatars serving the Germans remained on the peninsula. For what? And for the same - for the guerrilla war. The Germans prepared them there for this purpose. And the Crimea for the partisans amazingly adapted.

Huge coveted coastline - to deliver weapon and supplies, landings can be on an industrial scale. Mountains, forests, caves, wild trails - you can easily grab ten thousand militants. And the main thing: Crimean-Tatar population hostile to Soviet power, ready to support its partisans for at least a hundred years - with food, clothing, shelters, intelligence, fighters ...

And now we look: the front went further west, a small garrison and the administration remained on the peninsula. By that time, the southern Ukraine, Romania, and Bulgaria also belonged to the Germans ... From their coast to the Crimea there is one night crossing. The simplest scenario: the partisan uprising, the landing of the German troops, and the Crimea - again German. In the rear of the Soviet army.

What then should be done? The first option is to leave a few extra divisions on the peninsula and gradually smother the guerrilla movement for many years. Actually, after the war, the struggle against the “forest brothers” in the Baltic States and Bandera in Western Ukraine took place. But where to get these extra divisions in the spring of 1944? At the front, every battalion counts.

The second option is to deprive the partisans of popular support. Without food, they don’t make much of it. The Nazis solved this issue in Belarus simply - they totally destroyed the civilian population in the partisan territories of thousands of square kilometers. As they say - there are no people, no problems.

And what other options could there be? .. Apologize for the trouble and return the Crimea to the Germans? And the Germans will be pleased, and the Crimean Tatars ... And here, guided by military logic, we just come to the obvious need to deport the Crimean Tatars from the peninsula ...

Cruel? Not really. The expulsion of the Tatars is not the most disgusting thing that happened during World War II. Any alternative would be much worse.

I will not talk about the German methods of dealing with the civilian population of the enemy, but let me remind you that already at the end of the war the Americans were burning atomic bombs to the civilian population of Japan, roughly equal to the number of Tatars expelled from Crimea. They did not send the Japanese to sunny Uzbekistan, as Stalin did with the Tatars, but burned them. Such was the military logic of the most democratic country in the world ...

Maybe I am wrong, but the practice of Stalin’s deportations seems to me more humane.

P.S. One thing I can not understand: the Americans in 1942, in the 120 concentration camp, thousands of their citizens of Japanese origin were sent to the concentration camps. All those who had at least 1 / 16 in their blood had a part of Japanese blood ... What was their logic? After all, the Japanese soldier did not go to the American continent, from America to Japan - 8 thousand. Km of the ocean, in America there never was a Japanese partisan ... Maybe, who knows?

Fotochka on top - this is not Auschwitz, this is a concentration camp for the Japs in Arkansas. True, cozy place?
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  1. venaya
    venaya 24 September 2015 05: 10 New
    43
    This is how historians (and not only historians) clouded our brains. I wonder. (Stat. +)
    1. Hagakure
      Hagakure 24 September 2015 05: 40 New
      -169
      In war as in war ... G.K.Zhukov fired battalions near Leningrad at critical moments of the battle, and who will throw a stone at him? ...
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 24 September 2015 05: 48 New
        52
        Quote: Hagakure
        In war as in war ... G.K.Zhukov fired battalions near Leningrad at critical moments of the battle, and who will throw a stone at him? ...

        Who told you this or where did you read it? What is the source?
        1. Hagakure
          Hagakure 24 September 2015 06: 35 New
          -80
          ... “The first thing that became known,” writes Golovanov, “is his activity near Leningrad. It was there that his will and determination appeared. It was he, with the help of the General Headquarters and the party organization of Leningrad, who stopped the withdrawal of our troops from the superior enemy forces. The measures he held demanded precisely decisiveness, precisely the will for their implementation. "War is not a game, it often requires extraordinary actions, and not everyone is able to go to them."
          Golovanov does not write about what specific events Zhukov held in Leningrad. And here is what Alexander Evgenievich told me:
          - No wonder Stalin sent him to Leningrad instead of Voroshilov, and he, using force there, managed! After all, he shot entire retreating battalions there! Like Voroshilov, he didn’t run with a gun in his hand, he didn’t lead the fighters into the attack, but put up a machine-gun shield - and on the retreating, on his own! But I will say that in his place I would have done the same if the fate of the country was being decided ... memories of Air Marshal A. Golovanov (he received the marshal’s rod for the Battle of Kursk) .... Felix Ivanovich Chuev
          Soldiers of the Empire. Conversations. Memories. Documents.
          1. crumb
            crumb 24 September 2015 06: 43 New
            11
            But I will say that in his place I would have done the same if the fate of the country was being decided ... memories of Air Marshal A. Golovanov E-well, and how would you comment on this?
            1. Grbear
              Grbear 24 September 2015 07: 53 New
              29
              It's just that Mr. Hagakure only reads what he wants to subtract. Selectivity of "thinking".
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 24 September 2015 08: 19 New
                24
                The problem is not deportation as such, but why, after it, the whole ethnos needs rehabilitation. No, deportation was not a military necessity, but a punishment. Nobody deported the inhabitants of western Ukraine, although they were located closer to the borders of the Crimeans to the borders. In addition, not only the Tatars, but also the Greeks, Armenians living in Crimea, came under the distribution. The army has the principle of collective responsibility. This is when one naughty, and punish everyone. Since the country was in a state of martial law, this principle was applied to the inhabitants of the Crimea. And that is reasonable. But punishment without time limits loses its educational meaning turning into ordinary revenge. Therefore, their rehabilitation over time is also reasonable.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 24 September 2015 09: 41 New
                  11
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  Nobody deported the inhabitants of western Ukraine,

                  In Ukraine, there was no such massive support for the Germans by the local population.
                  1. Talgat
                    Talgat 24 September 2015 10: 15 New
                    13
                    In general, everything is clear

                    It was necessary - nowhere to go

                    But why couldn’t they find another place where to deport except us? How it was necessary to take someone to take out and even the question did not arise where - of course to Kazakhstan
                    (and part to the Uzbeks) As a result, Kazakhstan has now become the most multinational republic (probably of the order of 100 nationalities), with the possible exception of Russia

                    Old men talk and write remember. how the Chechens and Ingush from the echelons were sorted home in the cold and hunger during the winter — maybe the authorities counted on the nomadic mentality of the Kazakhs — like they won’t let the settlers die?
                    1. aleks 62 next
                      aleks 62 next 24 September 2015 14: 23 New
                      +7
                      ... As a result, Kazakhstan has now become the most multinational republic (probably about 100 nationalities), with the possible exception of Russia ...

                      ... About 100 nationalities and peoples now live in Crimea ... So. Don’t be surprised ...
                      1. Byshido_dis
                        Byshido_dis 24 September 2015 14: 53 New
                        19
                        There is one small "BUT" ... Chuev claims that he took these facts for this book "first hand", but I'm wondering what kind of "first hands" are and why they are "first" ...
                        And one more thing Golovanov has only one book - "Dalnaya Bombardnaya" And you know in this book there are no words that "quotes" Chuev and then you ... Strange. Very strange, I would say ...
                    2. AllXVahhaB
                      AllXVahhaB 25 September 2015 14: 54 New
                      +3
                      What's wrong? In terms of territory - the second republic of the USSR, in terms of population - almost the last! And this despite the fact that Kazakhs made up about 40% of the population (according to the 1988 census). That is, huge unpopulated spaces! There would be no immigrants - there would be no urbanization! All cities were built by "newcomers"! I myself am from Semipalatinsk. Who founded it? Who Industrialized? Who raised Tselina? Who built the cities ??? What would Kazakhstan be like today, if it were not for the journey and exile ...
                  2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                    Uncle VasyaSayapin 24 September 2015 12: 00 New
                    +7
                    There was no mass, therefore, there was no mass deportation. But Evicted to Siberia and the Far East a lot of Bandera.
                    1. Nick
                      Nick 24 September 2015 19: 28 New
                      +8
                      Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
                      There was no mass, therefore, there was no mass deportation. But Evicted to Siberia and the Far East a lot of Bandera.

                      It's amazing where such a universal humanism comes from, the "bloodthirsty" Stalin. I think most ordinary citizens would suggest just spanking the scoundrels.
                      1. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 25 September 2015 14: 56 New
                        0
                        In the same way, as they are now being offered, like: "why should I feed them?" ...
                      2. Down House
                        Down House 25 September 2015 15: 40 New
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                        Quote: Nick
                        It's amazing where such a universal humanism comes from, the "bloodthirsty" Stalin.

                        That's it!
                        Studying REAL history, I never cease to be amazed at how much Stalinist rule was really humane.
                        I think that about 95 percent of possible and random people in his place would have resorted to tougher decisions, the mentioned example in the form of the USA is more than indicative!
                      3. vassa
                        vassa 25 September 2015 22: 53 New
                        +1
                        Well, you all gathered here ... and if in you so? .. minus, I will consider it an honor!
                      4. Fight cat
                        Fight cat 26 September 2015 21: 34 New
                        -2
                        what humane to evict together with the children in a clean field, it didn’t shoot them, they still have to spend cartridges, they will die !! and all humanity! what% of the deceased was during the resettlement! Goblin with them with Chechens and Krymchaks, they are traitors, the stump is clear! But the Germans for what ?? wassat
                2. Starley from the south
                  Starley from the south 24 September 2015 20: 50 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  In Ukraine, there was no such massive support for the Germans by the local population.

                  In Western Ukraine was!
                3. Lenin
                  Lenin 25 September 2015 01: 10 New
                  +9
                  Very wrong. Was - bread and salt liberators met. Therefore, after the war, many policemen and Bandera were exiled to Siberia and survived and returned to Ukraine and now it sounds - Glory to the Heroes.
              2. aleks 62 next
                aleks 62 next 24 September 2015 14: 21 New
                +2
                ... Nobody deported the inhabitants of western Ukraine, ..

                ... I hasten to upset you ... There was a deportation from both Western Ukraine and the Baltic states ... Only it was not of a total nature .... Now I don't remember exactly the numbers, but about 200 thousand were evicted from the Baltic states. "unreliable" elements ... Something around this and from Western Ukraine ... To Siberia and the Far East ...

                ... Very interesting material on the topic, there is about the Greeks and Armenians (Crimean): http: //evpatoriya-history.info/natsionalnij-vopros/tatari-v-velikoj-o
                techestvennoj-vojne.php
                1. Passer
                  Passer 24 September 2015 17: 36 New
                  +3
                  Quote: aleks 62 next
                  There was deportation from both Western Ukraine and the Baltic states ...

                  Mostly Poles were sent from Western Ukraine, at least the grandmother told me so. She also added that the Poles were sent to Siberia as unreliable (also, of course, not sugar), but they were reliable under the Germans.
                  About the Balts - I have not heard. Despite the fact that my grandfather started the war in the Baltic States, in the NKVD troops, and in personal communication with Latvian nationalists, 25 years ago. True, there were stories from them about the "harsh" Stalinist repressions, but then they gave ridiculous figures.
              3. nils
                nils 24 September 2015 15: 23 New
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                Quote: Mahmut
                No, deportation was not a military necessity, but a punishment.


                Since January 1940, an underground organization of Hasan Israilov has been operating in the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, with the goal of tearing the North Caucasus from the USSR and creating a state on the territory of the federation of all the mountain peoples of the Caucasus, except for Ossetians.
                The first event of the gang after the outbreak of war was the disruption of mobilization in Chechen-Ingushetia. For the second half of the 1941 year, the number of deserters amounted to 12 thousand 365 people who evaded the draft - 1093. During the first mobilization of Chechens and Ingush in the Red Army in 1941, it was planned to form a cavalry division from their composition, however, when it was manned, only 50% (4247 people) from the existing draft contingent were recruited, and 850 people from those already recruited upon arrival to the front right there crossed to the enemy. In total, during the three years of the war, 49 362 Chechens and Ingush deserted from the ranks of the Red Army, and another 13 389 evaded the draft, which totals 62751 people. Killed on the fronts and went missing (and the latter include those who went over to the enemy) only 2300 people. The Buryat people, two times smaller in number, which the German occupation did not threaten in any way, lost 13 thousand people at the front, and Ossetians who lost half 11 thousand to the Chechens and Ingush, half the time. At the same time that the decree on resettlement was published, only 8894 people of Chechens, Ingush and Balkars were in the army. That is, ten times more deserted than fought.
                Two years after his first raid, on 28 of January 1942 of the year, Israilov organized the Special Military Party of the Caucasian Brotherhood, dedicated to the "creation of a free fraternal Federative Republic of the states of the fraternal peoples of the Caucasus in the Caucasus under the mandate of the German Empire." Later, he renamed this party the "National Socialist Party of the Caucasian Brothers." In February 1942, when the Nazis occupied Taganrog, Mayrabek Sheripov, an associate of Israilov, the former chairman of the Lespromsovet of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, raised an uprising in the villages of Chatoy and Itum-Kale. The auls were soon liberated, but some of the rebels went into the mountains, from where partisan raids were carried out.
                In order to prevent the bandits from capturing oil production and oil refining facilities, we had to introduce one NKVD division into the republic, as well as to remove military units of the Red Army from the front during the most difficult period of the Battle of the Caucasus.
                Despite the fact that 22 gang members were killed and 1941 people were captured from 23 June 1944 February to 3078 February 1715 year, and 31 people were captured, it was clear that it would be impossible to defeat banditry while someone gives the bandits food and shelter. That is why the 1944 of January 5073 of the year adopted a decree of the GKO of the USSR No. XNUMX on the abolition of the Chechen-Ingush ASSR and the deportation of its population to Central Asia and Kazakhstan.
                On February 23 1944, the Lentil operation began, during which 180 trains were sent from Checheno-Ingushetia along 65 wagons in each with a total number of 493 269 people being resettled. 20 072 firearms were seized. During resistance, 780 Chechens and Ingush were killed, and 2016 were arrested for possession of weapons and anti-Soviet literature.
              4. neri73-r
                neri73-r 24 September 2015 16: 10 New
                +7
                But punishment without time limits loses its educational meaning turning into ordinary revenge. Therefore, their rehabilitation over time is also reasonable.


                In principle, I agree with you, but I can add that there are crimes for which there is no forgiveness! Treason is one of them!
              5. Tourist
                Tourist 24 September 2015 21: 13 New
                +5
                Quote: Mahmut
                No, deportation was not a military necessity, but a punishment.

                Not quite so: Koreans were first deported in 1937. This was done to stop Japanese espionage on the Far East.
                Who knows how the events of 1938 (the battles at Lake Khasan) could have turned around if this operation had not been carried out?
            2. Trapperxnumx
              Trapperxnumx 24 September 2015 09: 08 New
              -5
              Quote: GrBear
              It's just that Mr. Hagakure only reads what he wants to subtract. Selectivity of "thinking".

              Come on? Or maybe Mr. Hagarkuz is simply reading what is written and is not trying to hide it in his head in a pillow? Why was he so blasted? For the fact that he simply told the truth that when it was necessary at the critical moment Zhukov applied the most stringent measures, this had an effect and therefore was justified!
              It is time to learn to face the truth, no matter what it may be, and Stalin and Zhukov are great people and creators of the Victory, and if it was necessary to act harshly, they acted, if not, then they did not. That's the whole tale, but apparently it was impossible in another way.
              1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                Uncle VasyaSayapin 24 September 2015 11: 58 New
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                Was Golovanov that machine gunner? Unlikely. I saw it myself, I also doubt it. Someone told him about the detachments, he passed it on. To shoot entire battalions is stupid and ineffective. Expensive and troublesome. But someone must have been shot to put an end to the panic. One wrote, "embellishing" to attract attention, the other distributes. This is not good. It's like getting in your pants to get attention.
            3. WKS
              WKS 24 September 2015 09: 40 New
              -19
              Quote: GrBear
              It's just that Mr. Hagakure only reads what he wants to subtract. Selectivity of "thinking".

              And this was not called the shooting of the advancing battalion, but the detachment. In order for those who received the order to advance on the sludge defense, know that yielding to fear and running back, they will inevitably receive a bullet from their own. According to the recollections of many war veterans, it was precisely after the use of detachment detachments that a turning point in the war occurred and our troops began to smash the fascists. This is reality.
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r 24 September 2015 16: 17 New
                15
                According to the recollections of many war veterans, it was precisely after the use of detachment detachments that a turning point in the war occurred and our troops began to smash the fascists. This is reality.


                How old are you ???? And you believe in fairy tales ....... The people that need to be stopped by detachments of troops cannot win the war! What did the German detachments invent!
                1. dudinets
                  dudinets 25 September 2015 07: 53 New
                  +4
                  Well, how many machine guns are needed to stop the thousands of armed crowd saving their lives!
                  and German detachments, defiantly hanging their soldiers, could not stop the red army. so the effectiveness of such units is greatly exaggerated.
                  read: Hemingway's farewell to arms. the work of the Italian detachment is very interestingly described.
                  1. Down House
                    Down House 25 September 2015 15: 45 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Dudinets
                    Well, how many machine guns are needed to stop the thousands of armed crowd saving their lives!

                    So the crowd of thousands, according to the shit, had one rifle for three and one cartridge for three rifles, so they mowed the whole infantry division armed to the teeth with one machine gun NKVDshniki!
                    PS If anything, then this is sarcasm.
                2. WKS
                  WKS 25 September 2015 11: 20 New
                  +1
                  Quote: neri73-r
                  How old are you ???? And you believe in fairy tales .......

                  The appeal in the first phrase contradicts the second. Judging by the second, you and I drank at the Brudershaft, but this was not.
                  The Germans invented a lot of things, but in my post we are talking about the application, and not about the priority of the invention. The detachments stopped the alarmists of the army units, not the people. Slogans from realities are very different.
              2. MrK
                MrK 26 September 2015 21: 22 New
                +2
                Quote: wks
                In order for those who received the order to advance on the sludge defense, know that yielding to fear and running back, they will inevitably receive a bullet from their own.

                Liberal nonsense.
                None of the researchers were able to find in the archives a single fact that would confirm that the barrage detachments fired on their troops. Such cases are not given in the memoirs of the front-line soldiers. ”
                WWII. The appointment of barrage units. URL: http://www.otvoyna.ru/zagradotr.htm
                1. Fight cat
                  Fight cat 26 September 2015 21: 44 New
                  +1
                  Comrade, you have not confused anything ??? in your own link and according to the snookel They were created after the Order of the People’s Commissariat of Defense No. 227 of July 28, 1942. b) to form within the army 3-5 well-armed guard units (200 each), place them in the direct rear of unstable divisions and oblige them in case of panic and erratic withdrawal of units of the division to shoot panicists and cowards on the spot and thereby help honest fighters divisions to fulfill their duty to the homeland. 3. To commanders and commissars of corps and divisions:
                  hi so that at least one would later admit that there were detachments that shot at their own! Facts stubborn thing From the beginning of the war to the 10th of October with. According to the decisions of the Special Departments and the sentences of the Military Tribunals, 10 people were shot negative soldier
                  1. MrK
                    MrK 27 September 2015 00: 43 New
                    0
                    Quote: Fighting Cat
                    According to the decisions of the Special Departments and the sentences of the Military Tribunals, 10 201 people were shot

                    Rude is not necessary, cat. If you are angry with a cat, then you're wrong.
                    I repeat again:
                    None of the researchers were able to find in the archives a single fact that would confirm that the barrage detachments fired on their troops. Such cases are not given in the memoirs of the front-line soldiers.
                    By order of the tribunals, yes. But this is not the shooting of his retreating soldiers. Or for you there is no difference.
                    1. Fight cat
                      Fight cat 27 September 2015 11: 50 New
                      +1
                      Rude is not necessary, cat. If you are angry with a cat, then you're wrong.
                      I repeat again:
                      None of the researchers were able to find in the archives a single fact that would confirm that the barrage detachments fired on their troops. Such cases are not given in the memoirs of the front-line soldiers.
                      By order of the tribunals, yes. But this is not the shooting of his retreating soldiers. Or for you there is no difference. [/ Quote]
                      Who told you that there is no evidence of veterans about detachments ?! her executions were practiced everywhere. firstly, they didn’t consider those who were shot during the retreat when they tried to stop the fighters fleeing to the rear, a lot of evidence, but for you they do not exist. Secondly, there were two types of detachments that are silent about this bow. some in the rear caught deserters and cowards and alarmists. The second was directly behind the parts that were unstable. armed with machine guns, mortars and even tanks! These parts were parts of the NKVD, you can see what the size and armament of the NKVD was. And do not tell tales that there were not so many trumpets and alarmists under Tsar Nikolashka, they were not shot at the beginning of the war, and they fought better! soldier
            4. venaya
              venaya 24 September 2015 18: 48 New
              0
              Quote: GrBear
              ... Selectivity of "thinking".

              And who forms this selectivity: we or all the same to us?
        2. ASK505
          ASK505 24 September 2015 09: 10 New
          31
          Quote: Hagakure
          Zhukov in Leningrad.
          Quote: Hagakure
          he shot the whole retreating battalions there!


          This is a literary search of the times of the 90s. From a military point of view, there is no logic. I admit several people before the formation, but not battalions. Golovanov sucked it from his finger, or these words were attributed to him by the Chubais Democrats, hiding behind marshal's epaulettes. And the marshals' wands are a German tradition. And who handed him this rod?
        3. Byshido_dis
          Byshido_dis 24 September 2015 14: 51 New
          +5
          There is one small "BUT"... Chuev claims that he took these facts for this book "first hand", but I'm wondering what kind of "first hands" are and why they are "first" ...
          And one more thing Golovanov has only one book - "Dalnaya Bombardnaya" And you know in this book there are no such words that "quotes" Chuev and then you ... Strange. Very strange, I would say ...
        4. Shuttle
          Shuttle 24 September 2015 17: 42 New
          +7
          Quote: Hagakure
          ..Felix Ivanovich Chuev
          Soldiers of the Empire. Conversations. Memories. Documents.

          You would, my friend, better refer to Alexander Trifonovich Tvardovsky. His "Vasily Terkin" is written even in verse.
          Incidentally, in contrast to Twardowski Chuyev by the time of the events had not even reached the puberty period, i.e. with all due respect to his documentary and artistic style, he was a contemporary of those events exclusively nominally. And to be more precise - indirectly. Those. to refer to his work as a certain document and to consider that it HERE will give a ride is the height of self-confidence.

          Go somewhere else to fool your head, Comrade Major General!
          P / S If this is allowed, then soon Pikul’s novels for historical chronicles will be considered.
        5. DimanC
          DimanC 24 September 2015 19: 20 New
          -14
          Nu-nu. Zhukov, who was the chief of staff before the war, prepared the defeat of the Red Army as best he could, so that later he could take part in the overthrow of Stalin, as best he could, ensure the victory with chopped blood, and whom Stalin made to run along the fronts and correct his mistakes now a hero and a fellow. And Voroshilov, who in those conditions ensured more or less stability of the north-western direction, almost arranged the first boiler for the Germans, in fact, saved Leningrad - now it's shit. It's good for us Khrushch and the "comrades" were brainwashed ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 24 September 2015 23: 59 New
            +2
            You forgot to add that the Germans gave us a boiler.
          2. 787nkx
            787nkx 25 September 2015 09: 01 New
            +2
            Interesting opinion.
            How much is confirmed by facts?
          3. Goodrv
            Goodrv 25 September 2015 14: 53 New
            0
            Well, Zhukov has the same statue with a horse at East. Museum, meaning he is a saint. Otherwise, a liberalist.
          4. hrough
            hrough 26 September 2015 00: 20 New
            0
            Quote: DimanC
            Nu-nu. Zhukov, who was the chief of staff before the war, prepared the defeat of the Red Army as best he could, so that later he could take part in the overthrow of Stalin, as best he could, ensure the victory with chopped blood, and whom Stalin made to run along the fronts and correct his mistakes now a hero and a fellow. And Voroshilov, who in those conditions ensured more or less stability of the north-western direction, almost arranged the first boiler for the Germans, in fact, saved Leningrad - now it's shit. It's good for us Khrushch and the "comrades" were brainwashed ...
            Present the source for evaluation, otherwise it is more like trolling.
            1. blonde
              blonde 26 September 2015 01: 22 New
              +1
              There is a detailed study "ON THE EVE OF THE WAR" by G.N. Spaskov
              Printed in OWN NAMES
        6. Tourist
          Tourist 24 September 2015 21: 00 New
          +5
          Oh, these tales! Oh, these storytellers !!!
          It was not "whole battalions" that were shot, but alarmists, as well as commanders and commissars who allowed the unauthorized withdrawal of units.
          Leningrad at that time was already in the blockade, and "shooting battalions" Zhukov would very quickly find himself without troops, since the reinforcements had to be taken somewhere, and in the besieged city the human resource was very limited.
          Moreover, acting in the manner attributed to him, Zhukov could provoke a mass surrender of soldiers and commanders.
          1. Down House
            Down House 25 September 2015 15: 47 New
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            Quote: Tourist
            "shooting battalions" Zhukov would very quickly find himself without troops, since the replenishment had to be taken somewhere

            And this is more than a true remark on the issue of replenishment of personnel, given that the population of the Reich at that time exceeded the population of the USSR!
          2. Fight cat
            Fight cat 26 September 2015 21: 45 New
            +1
            From the beginning of the war to October 10 with. According to the decisions of the Special Departments and the sentences of the Military Tribunals, 10 people were shot, of which 201 were shot before the formation. soldier
        7. Lenin
          Lenin 25 September 2015 00: 58 New
          -3
          In vain you minus. One must know history and love the Motherland not only from the beautiful, but also from the ugly side. A comrade of rights on the Leningrad front, when trying to break the blockade in September 41, Zhukov behaved like an ordinary butcher, however, he never had a great love for a soldier and did not take care of him. Not everyone is given to be Suvorov. By the way, then the order "not a step back" was read for the first time. In addition, this seemed a little to Zhukov and this fact is not known to many, so the second order was read out to the command staff, which said that in the event of a retreat or surrender, not only the soldier would be shot, but all his family members. I will not judge rightly or wrongly, but the result was sad - the blockade was not broken, and most of the fired personnel of the 8th Army who passed the Finnish company and fought with the Nazis from the first days of the war were ineptly ditched. Why do I know about this, because my grandfather went missing in September 41. So you can minus the pseudo-patriots gentlemen, but this does not exempt you from knowing history ..
          1. victor50
            victor50 25 September 2015 07: 49 New
            +5
            Why do I know about this because my grandfather went missing in September 41. So you can minus the gentlemen of the pseudo-patriots, but this does not exempt you from the knowledge of history ..
            Your grandfather went missing (mine too) not for you to write any garbage. And the proof you have is miserable. When I was searching for information about my grandfather, I found out the facts, in comparison with which the most heroic stories fade. The reality was such that, speaking loudly (and I can’t pick up others, as well as imagine myself in such conditions, then this was one continuous feat and HEROISM.
            And one more thing: in November 41 they could not read the order "not one step back" for the first time, which appeared in July 1942
            1. Lenin
              Lenin 25 September 2015 11: 34 New
              +1
              I advise you to read the archived reports of the command staff in 41 and especially about the battles at the Oranienbaum bridgehead, then you will understand everything respected. And most importantly, do not read the beautiful memoirs written by Zhukov, everything is so beautiful there.
            2. Lenin
              Lenin 25 September 2015 12: 46 New
              +1
              DEAR STUDY HISTORY. THE TRUTH IS NOT ALWAYS SWEET AND BEAUTIFUL. I DO NOT WANT TO JUDGE ZhUKOV, I AM JUST TAKING THE TRUTH. ... AND THE WAR IS NOT FINISHED UNTIL THE LAST SOLDIER IS BURIED, SO I CAN ONLY SUGGEST THAT MY GRANDFATHER WERE NOT WELCOME TO TERRITORIES FROM PETROVORTS AND TO RED VILLAGE AS ITSELF SALON. THAT HEAVY BEEN IN THE HEART, FOR ME THE WAR HAS NOT BE FINISHED UNTIL THE TIME AS LIKE FOR MANY OTHERS NOT WAITING FROM THE WAR OF THE NATIVE. AND ANOTHER LITTLE MOMENT IF TO HIDE ANYTHING, WHY FOR ALL REQUESTS IN THE ARCHIVES WE REVEALED.
              Yu.V. RINGS
              "PETEGROPHIC LANDING
              It is not surprising that under the onslaught of the enemy on September 21, Strelna was abandoned and battles began in Peterhof itself. On this day, on its raid, the enemy aircraft sunk the destroyer "Guarding", which was providing fire support to the ground forces. [73] On September 22, a new entry appeared in the Field Marshal's diary: "Today, in the middle of the day, I visited the location of the 18th Army and its 38th Corps (operating in the Peterhof direction. - Yu. K). The impression of the 38th Corps is that although he is moving forward, the clearing of the Kronstadt Bay area will lead to protracted and, apparently, really bloody battles. This is much more important than the already observed very large shortage in several divisions. And they should not expect a replacement ... remains in force: at the beginning, advance the strike forces to the Peterhof - swampy area south of Peterhof [74], and then send the released forces into battle beyond the close line of the encirclement of Leningrad ... ". [75]
              On the same day, when battles were fought in the center of Peterhof with varying success, the Military Council of the Leningrad Front sent a formidable telegram to the headquarters of the 8th Army: “If the 8th Army allows the capture of Peterhof by the Germans, the Germans will defeat Kronstadt for us. actions not only fails the Leningrad Front, but plays a treacherous role, while 8, 23 and 42A [army] brilliantly reflect all the attacks of the Germans ..., the 55th army, having 8-3 thousand Germans against itself with 4-10 tanks, disgracefully scatters at the first shot ... "Further, the army command was ordered to personally take part in the battles, and ended:" ... warn commanders of all levels that they will be shot as cowards and traitors for unauthorized abandonment of Peterhof and defensive positions south of Peterhof. declare - not a single step back! "[20].
              Many years later, V. I. Shcherbakov recalled how this order was carried out on September 23, 1941: "... There were 110-140 men left in our regiments. And when the front commander G. K. Zhukov ordered" to intensify military operations. " .., I reported to Georgy Konstantinovich that in the divisions instead of regiments there are incomplete companies that they are commanded by lieutenants. Zhukov interrupted me, ordering the generals to attack the regiments. Gathering the generals, I distributed them to the regiments and explained the task. Himself with a member of the Military Council of the Army IF Chukhnov went to the second division of the people's volunteer corps. Arriving at the command post of "his" regiment, he found out that there were 35 active bayonets in it. With supplies, orderlies, gunsmiths, horse breeders and other servants - 110. Returning to the command post of the division. Chukhnov returned. There were 43 active bayonets in "his" regiment. Having exchanged thoughts, we came to the conclusion that it was unreasonable for the general to lead a platoon into the attack. We reported our opinion to Zhukov. The front commander scolded me, said that the army was capable of attacking, and we were just retreating ... "[77]. On September 24, the general was demoted to the commander of the 11th Infantry Division, and Lieutenant General T.I. Shevaldin took over the command of the army ...
              1. Lenin
                Lenin 25 September 2015 12: 58 New
                +1
                THESE LINKS TO SOURCES
                Author's notes



                52 TsVMA. F. 580. Op. 1.D. Z.L. 9.

                53 TsVMA. F. 580. Op. 1.D. 6.L. five.

                54 Central State Archive of Historical and Political Documents (TSGAIPD). SPb. F. 8671. Op. 1. E.4. L. 12-13.

                55 There is no palace with this name. There are three palaces in Alexandria Park: Cottage, Farmer's and Nizhnyaya Dacha. As we can judge, only the last of them, in various versions, in the army and in the navy had the word "Alexandria" in its name.

                56 CVMA. F. 3680. Op. 025201. D. 11.L. 38.

                57 Blockade of Leningrad [in documents of declassified archives. M.-SPb., 2004.] S. 198.

                68 CVMA. F. 3680. Op. 025198. D. 2.L. 50.

                73 CVMA. F. 238. Op. 028605. D. 1.L. 21.

                74 Apparently, this refers to the Porzolovskoye swamp.

                75 On both sides of the [blockade ring of St. Petersburg, 2005. (compilation and translation by Yu. M. Lebedev).] P. 66.

                76 Military historical archive. M., 2001. No. 9. P. 87-88.

                77 Shcherbakov [V. I. On the coastal flanks. St. Petersburg, 1996] p. 74.
                1. Lenin
                  Lenin 25 September 2015 13: 38 New
                  0
                  While 23, 42 and 55A [of the army] brilliantly reflect all the attacks of the Germans ...
                  A LITTLE EXPLANATION: THE BEETLES THAT THE ARMIES WERE NOT KNOWED THAT 23, 42, AND 55 WERE AGAIN FORMED, REALLY FRESH, AND THE 8TH WAS CRASHED AND DECLINED IN DEFENSE BATTLES AGAIN? BEFORE THE GRANDFATHER OF THE GRANDFATHER, WE KNEW THAT ONLY ITS REGULATION THREE TIMES FROM JUNE 41 WAS REFORMED, THREE TIMES THEY WENT OUT OF THE ENVIRONMENT WITH BIG LOSSES. I THINK THE BEETERS ALL THIS KNOWED AND CONSCIOUSLY THROWED THE REMAINS OF SHOT-FIRED AND EXPERIENCED STAFF ON THE BREAK. Yes, Zhukov stopped in such a way the offensive of the Nazis, won time, but he did not regret people ...
          2. dudinets
            dudinets 25 September 2015 08: 02 New
            +4
            my grandfather died in March 42nd. but this does not mean that I am a great authority in the history of the Great Patriotic War.
            no need for demagoguery, it annoys me a lot. operate better with facts supported by documents.
            1. Lenin
              Lenin 25 September 2015 13: 42 New
              +1
              AND YOU READ MORE AND EVERYTHING WILL BE WELL.
          3. Down House
            Down House 25 September 2015 15: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Lenin
            nor when he was distinguished by great love for a soldier and did not protect him.

            He did not differ in pity for the soldier (which, by the way, is logical and natural for the Marshal of the World War) and committed senseless acts in the form of shooting "even whole divisions" in the absence of sufficient opportunities for replenishment of personnel - these are 2 BIG DIFFERENCES!
          4. MrK
            MrK 26 September 2015 18: 43 New
            0
            Quote: Lenin
            there will be not only a soldier, but also all members of his family.

            Give a document, please, about the execution of families.
        8. AKS-U
          AKS-U 25 September 2015 11: 08 New
          +2
          and the Germans had detachments. and also shot at the Wehrmacht.
        9. Saburov
          Saburov 25 September 2015 12: 06 New
          +4
          Somehow, at a banquet, Nikita Khrushchev, already in the position of head of the country, approached Marshal Rokossovsky and asked to write his memoirs about Stalin ... from a quote ... thicker, but blacker ... to which Rokossovsky answered him ... are you Nikita Sergeyevich ... Stalin is a saint for me ... so the memories of someone cannot be true.
      2. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 24 September 2015 08: 44 New
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        Quote: Z.O.V.
        Who told you this or where did you read it? What is the source?

        One hundred pounds "rain" is listening. Or something like that. Sent Cossack.
      3. WKS
        WKS 24 September 2015 09: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: Z.O.V.
        Quote: Hagakure
        In war as in war ... G.K.Zhukov fired battalions near Leningrad at critical moments of the battle, and who will throw a stone at him? ...

        Who told you this or where did you read it? What is the source?

        Provocateur. He appeals to fiction.
      4. Good me
        Good me 24 September 2015 10: 59 New
        +7
        Further: the territory from which the whole nation is taken out becomes unproductive for a long time. And the territory, where this people were brought, spends a precious resource on reception and elementary arrangement of those who arrived. How much these migrations of peoples then cost in money is difficult to count. But the blow to the country's economy was definitely strong.


        It is difficult, of course, to analyze this conclusion of the author without the necessary data. And therefore, I only allow myself to assume that, for example, the destroyed economy of the Crimean peninsula, deportation, apparently did not do much harm. Since, in fact, there wasn’t any economy ...

        Another thing is the restoration of the destroyed and plundered by the Nazis ...
        Yes, here "extra working hands" would not hurt ...
        But in this case, everything did not look disastrous. It is enough to see data on the pace of recovery, immediately after the liberation of certain territories.

        Well, there, where the deportees were taken out, too, new "centers" of development arose ...

        Such was the period, given, so to speak. And the USSR passed this test with the osonation of responsibility to its own people.

        The "democrats" who impose on us "repentance" for what Stalin did would not mind remembering how many people were ruined in the 90s, and how much more we have to endure ...
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    2. A-Sim
      A-Sim 24 September 2015 09: 51 New
      +2
      Can you provide a link to real documents ????
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 24 September 2015 14: 25 New
        +1
        ... Can you provide a link to real documents ????

        ... This is suitable ???? ... There at the end there are links to real sources ... http: //evpatoriya-history.info/natsionalnij-vopros/tatari-v-velikoj-
        otechestvennoj-vojne.php
    3. Horn
      Horn 24 September 2015 11: 06 New
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      Do you have any idea what that is - an infantry battalion? And who will shoot "whole battalions" during the most severe shortage of soldiers?
      There is such a thing: decimation. And it was used for the last time by Trotsky Leyba Barukhovich.
    4. vladimirw
      vladimirw 24 September 2015 12: 24 New
      -7
      Well, put in Zhukov and the cobblestone can be thrown. In any case, for the two-year leadership of the General Staff, which did not control the preparation of troops before June 22.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 24 September 2015 14: 01 New
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        Quote: vladimirw
        Well, put in Zhukov and the cobblestone can be thrown. In any case, for the two-year leadership of the General Staff, which did not control the preparation of troops before June 22.

        I am embarrassed to ask - in what number system is the General Staff leadership from February 28, 1941 to July 29, 1941 "two years old"?
      2. Lenin
        Lenin 25 September 2015 01: 21 New
        +1
        It is not true. The borders were strengthened and troops were being transferred.
    5. Boatsman_Palych
      Boatsman_Palych 24 September 2015 12: 44 New
      +6
      Yeah, yeah, and the Russian hordes in Europe have been raped and have breakfast with babies. Another liberalist, brought up in the 90s ...
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    7. pilot8878
      pilot8878 24 September 2015 14: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: Hagakure
      G.K.Zhukov fired battalions near Leningrad

      Documents confirming the words you have?
    8. Nick
      Nick 24 September 2015 19: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Hagakure
      In war as in war ... G.K.Zhukov fired battalions near Leningrad at critical moments of the battle, and who will throw a stone at him? ...

      So you threw it.
    9. Old warrior
      Old warrior 24 September 2015 22: 19 New
      +3
      Did you see it yourself or Zhukov told? What a dull thing in our minds.
    10. Old warrior
      Old warrior 24 September 2015 22: 19 New
      0
      Did you see it yourself or Zhukov told? What a dull thing in our minds.
    11. aleshka
      aleshka 24 September 2015 22: 26 New
      +1
      Yeah, I only had time to change my hands !!! and you probably gave him cartridges ???
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    13. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 25 September 2015 12: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Hagakure
      G.K.Zhukov fired battalions near Leningrad

      If he shot with battalions, he, together with the detachments, swept away his own. Or are you holding the soldiers of the Red Army with weapons in your hands? And don't talk nonsense! My paternal grandfather on the Volkhov front drew water from the trench for two years. And then he drove the "Banderaites". Something I do not remember in his stories.
    14. shed
      shed 25 September 2015 15: 51 New
      0
      can you tell me where to read about it?
  2. CALL.
    CALL. 24 September 2015 05: 46 New
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    The “bloody” Stalin acted differently - he moved the nations over the vast territory of the USSR.

    And by deportation, he saved many peoples from great sacrifices. Why Russians. Ukrainians and other peoples sent their sons to the front, receiving funerals back. And the deported peoples during the period of rampant "catastrophe" shouted that they were the most oppressed and demanded additional privileges for themselves. The same Balts helped the Germans carry out punitive operations against the civilian population, starved the besieged Leningrad, and when the reckoning came, they began to cry for the "Soviet occupation" Looked at the results of the census of the peoples of the USSR. The population of the Baltics was constantly growing, at about the same pace as the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR and the BSSR. During the occupation, the population always decreases, which we are seeing at the present time.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 September 2015 07: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: Z.O.V.
      In occupation, the population is always decreasing, which we are currently observing.

      Specify where?
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 24 September 2015 08: 40 New
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        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: Z.O.V.
        In occupation, the population is always decreasing, which we are currently observing.

        Specify where?

        In almost all more or less developed countries where there is no immigration. Japan, Russia, the Baltic States, Belarus, Ukraine (well, is it still developed, this is a question, but not this topic), Eastern Europe - in all these countries the growth is negative. In Western Europe, the growth is positive - it was due to the eastern members of the EU (as Lomonosov wrote, "if something has disappeared somewhere, it has arrived in another place"), and now more and more due to blacks oh, sorry, African Africans, and Arab Arabs. In America, growth is also mainly due to immigration, not necessarily legal, in particular, Latinos, but also others nonwhite pardon, racial, national, and religious minorities are also missing. And the birth rate in these groups is above average. In general, if it goes on like this, our if not children, then grandchildren will see the pushing of the white race to the margins of history, and this is very sad. Now minus me, a racist politically incorrect.
        1. 97110
          97110 24 September 2015 08: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Nagan
          In general, if it goes on like this, our if not children, then grandchildren will see the pushing of the white race to the margins of history, and this is very sad.

          It will happen clearly faster. If you forget that the Arab are dark-skinned ethnic groups of the white race. And I hope to see the pushing of fat-horned Germans and bicycle Italians to the backyard.
        2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
          Uncle VasyaSayapin 24 September 2015 12: 21 New
          +5
          "Minus me, minus". Mischievous. In the Russian Federation, migrants are engaged in manual labor. they have no time to minus. And you are a plus.
        3. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 24 September 2015 12: 26 New
          +4
          you can safely write a black man, your colleagues will understand here is not an echo .. laughing
        4. 23 region
          23 region 24 September 2015 18: 23 New
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          Quote: Nagan
          Now minus me, a racist politically incorrect.

          How long?
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  3. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 24 September 2015 06: 09 New
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    But my brain didn’t fog up about Stalin, as I remember from childhood, my father respected him respectfully and was not disappointed even in perestroika, when everything was proud of the dirt in the country and now people like Svinadze continue to do this and do nothing, and central channels ..
    1. venaya
      venaya 24 September 2015 06: 42 New
      +6
      I fully support you. Apparently I was under the impression of not being able to express myself more clearly. I'm sorry.
    2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 24 September 2015 12: 14 New
      +9
      Stalin-um, honor and conscience of a bygone era. The best head of Russia for all the time of its existence. Under him, all the social, political, economic and military problems that faced the Russian Empire were resolved. He will be an example and a guiding star for future generations. His contribution to the development of our country is colossal.
      1. 23 region
        23 region 24 September 2015 19: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Stalin-um, honor and conscience of a bygone era. The best head of Russia for all the time of its existence. Under him, all the social, political, economic and military problems that faced the Russian Empire were resolved. He will be an example and a guiding star for future generations. His contribution to the development of our country is colossal.

        The bill on counteracting the rehabilitation of the Stalinist totalitarian regime was introduced to the State Duma by the deputy chairman of the committee of the Federation Council on constitutional law and state building Konstantin Dobrynin
        “In recent years, an idealized, one-sided, not corresponding to historical reality, image of the Stalin era has been increasingly popularized among the population, which is causing enormous damage to the Russian state and society,” the senator believes.
        http://www.colta.ru/news/8603

        AND FURTHER:
        The Federation Council received a proposal to enshrine in the legislation of the Russian Federation the American principle of “do not ask - do not say” in relation to LGBT people. Such an amendment was proposed by the deputy head of the constitutional law committee. Konstantin Dobrynin.

        “For Russia, it’s important not to turn away from the realities of the times and not fall into bearded and dense geoeborgism, but try to find the legal form that will ensure public balance on this topic between the conservative part of society and everyone else,” Dobrynin said.
        1. gunya
          gunya 25 September 2015 16: 49 New
          0
          Tired of this Dobrynin with his fantasies. It would be for a couple of years in the locksmith for the maintenance of sewer sumps!
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  4. moskowit
    moskowit 24 September 2015 06: 48 New
    +8
    And you, that really didn’t accept all faith? Germans also wrote about the mass service of Crimean Tatars in Soviet times. And 4-K? The punitive Kalmyk cavalry corps? Find on the Internet nats.formatsii in the German army. Everything will become clear.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 September 2015 07: 52 New
      0
      Quote: moskowit
      Find on the Internet nats.formatsii in the German army. Everything will become clear.

      Yes, there is a lot written about ROA.
  5. vyinemeynen
    vyinemeynen 24 September 2015 08: 15 New
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    Russia, in its history, NEVER SHOOTED PEOPLES, DONT KILL PEOPLES INFECTED WITH PLAGUE BLANKETS EVEN IF IT WAS PERFORMANCE FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF MILITARY LOGIC. IT IS THEREFORE IT IS RUSSIA !!!!!!!!
    1. The polar
      The polar 24 September 2015 11: 52 New
      +6
      Not the plague, but smallpox. But the essence of the matter does not change
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  7. siberalt
    siberalt 24 September 2015 10: 04 New
    +1
    In war, the main task is Victory. Everything in her path must be swept away. The essence of the author's message about the price of deportation, as inevitability according to vein logic. The deportation of the Japanese to the United States was revenge, and not a necessity, since there was no military action on their territory. And here the tasks are completely different. If you did not carry out Stalin's deportation, these peoples would simply be milled during the course of hostilities. Therefore, the two-fold task was carried out - to ensure a safer advance of troops and save ethnic groups from destruction.
  8. 222222
    222222 24 September 2015 10: 16 New
    +8
    On February 19, 1942, US President Franklin Roosevelt signed Extraordinary Decree No. 9066, which gave the Department of Defense authority to intern all Japanese from the west coast. About 110 thousand people were placed in the camps, the last of them were allowed to return home only in March 1946.
  9. Altona
    Altona 24 September 2015 10: 42 New
    +5
    Quote: venaya
    This is how historians (and not only historians) clouded our brains. I wonder. (Stat. +)

    ---------------------
    Not historians, but journalist propagandists from Ogonyok ... Historians just argue correctly, the Great Depression went through a hungry skating rink across the United States even worse than the "Stalinist Gulag", people lost their homes, jobs, died on the prairies ...
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 24 September 2015 11: 18 New
      +4
      There is a wonderful novel by Steinbeck "The Grapes of Wrath" about that time ... Read it!
  10. aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 24 September 2015 14: 15 New
    -3
    .... That's how historians (and not only historians) clouded our brains. ....

    ... Do not like such historians ??? .... Here is the material with the attached list of sources and not only from Soviet times.: Http: //evpatoriya-history.info/natsionalnij-vopros/tatari-v-velikoj-otec
    hestvennoj-vojne.php

    .... I do not like these sources ???? ... At your service (the good is the Internet) are the archives of the Bundesrespublika .... They (the Germans) are very pedantic .... They have saved everything ... For history ...
  11. forest park 86
    forest park 86 24 September 2015 17: 55 New
    0
    after the war the Crimean Tatars had to be taken to Germany to the "liberators"
  12. spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 25 September 2015 14: 08 New
    0
    How much I read about Stalin, so much I am convinced of his genius as a state leader. Some people need years to learn a fraction of his ability, and he, along the way, was born with this.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 24 September 2015 05: 11 New
    +4
    Maybe I am wrong, but the practice of Stalin’s deportations seems to me more humane.


    A very sensitive topic ... those who suffered from it can bury the author three meters in depth.

    On the other hand, in war you have to resort to cruelty in order to survive ... I don’t have the absolute right answer whether this is good.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 24 September 2015 05: 25 New
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      Well, in order to answer this question for yourself once and for all, take the losses of the Red Army during the liberation of Crimea, then multiply by 2 (to liberate it for the second time) and compare it with the losses of the Crimean Tatar population during the eviction. And if you add sanitary losses, then you can, perhaps, with the total number of evicted.
    2. ava09
      ava09 24 September 2015 06: 59 New
      +2
      (C) A very sensitive topic ... those who have suffered from it can bury the author three meters in depth.
      Those who suffered and did not suffer, first of all, should know and analyze, to the best of their ability, of course. Those who do not have the ability to understand even the elementary things, besides, they are inadequate in behavior (they can bury them), must be isolated from society, and in a "special period" for such people there must be a "Highest measure of social protection." Yes, exactly the execution.
    3. 97110
      97110 24 September 2015 09: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      A very sensitive topic ..

      Slightly aside from the topic under discussion. I would like to remind you about the "sharashka", where practically ALL authors of the victory technique "served" the term. And where could they be hidden from German, Japanese and other spies and saboteurs, disguised as White Guards? How to keep busy and passionate people from starvation? They'll sow the cards, lose the drawings, get lost on their own, or, God forbid, foolishly blurt out something. Instead of shock work for Victory. The regime was weakened and renamed when there was confidence in their safety.
  • Rav075
    Rav075 24 September 2015 05: 15 New
    -38
    One crime cannot be justified by another!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 24 September 2015 05: 18 New
      45
      One crime cannot be justified by another!

      So justify now ...

      for democracy, you can bomb entire countries and overthrow foreign governments.
      1. bastard
        bastard 24 September 2015 12: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        for democracy, you can bomb entire countries and overthrow foreign governments.

        good hi
    2. Moore
      Moore 24 September 2015 05: 28 New
      31
      Yes Yes Yes!!! LIKE WE WILL !!!
      For elves, peace-bearers and other progressively minded: the logic of wartime is fundamentally different from peaceful, divan and vegetarian.
      To climb now with his own, brought up on Korotichev's "Ogonyok", worldview in those difficult years when the question was about the existence of the state - this is not Tolstoyism - this is infantilism or malicious work against your country.
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 25 September 2015 12: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Moore
        Climb now with your own worldview brought up on Korotichev's "Ogonyok" in those difficult years when the question was about the existence of the state - this is not Tolstoyism - this is infantilism

        Not just a state ... the survival of the absolute majority of people inhabiting it ... this has never been put on the line in history. So we will leave the question of "remorse" and whining to psychiatry ...
    3. venaya
      venaya 24 September 2015 05: 42 New
      +6
      Quote: Rav075
      One crime cannot be justified by another!

      War is a crime in itself.
      The blame, first of all, should be taken by those who organize wars and especially those who pay them. Everyone else, there is nothing like sacrifice. This must be understood and realized.
    4. Pavel Vereshchagin
      Pavel Vereshchagin 24 September 2015 05: 53 New
      +3
      And this is not an attempt to justify itself, it is an explanation of a fait accompli.
      1. venaya
        venaya 24 September 2015 06: 24 New
        -7
        Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
        And this is not an attempt to make excuses ...

        Before you start making excuses, you need to present an accusation. To do this, it is necessary, first of all, to "read out the entire list" of accusations from all sides and it is desirable to start from the very beginning:
        1. The collapse of the stock market of the New York Stock Exchange by Bernand Boruch and Co. in the 1929th year and the deaths of 7,2 million people (an article on HE) to 12 million people. (American studies) as a result of organized famine, with the aim of bringing A. Hitler to power and pumping up the German military industry.
        2. Organization of "collectiveization" by the Zionists of the USSR (Yagoda and Co.), as a result of which 7,2 million people (mostly peasants) died of hunger.
        Honestly, I just don’t want to continue, the general list goes on and on.
    5. valokordin
      valokordin 24 September 2015 06: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: Rav075
      One crime cannot be justified by another!

      Is this not a crime, but a humane military necessity or hundreds of thousands of losses on the front of Soviet citizens better than deportation? You are a strange humanist.
    6. ARES623
      ARES623 24 September 2015 06: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: Rav075
      One crime cannot be justified by another!

      This is not an excuse for a crime, it is a statement of military expediency. Survival of the USSR, victory in the war - confirmation of the right decision. And your statements about the crimes are the arguments of a couch liberal who in his life did not take complex (relatively) managerial decisions. And wars in white gloves are not won.
      1. Rav075
        Rav075 24 September 2015 06: 55 New
        -20
        Is your brain completely frozen? Crime is a crime, and what motive is another matter - there is no talk about it !!! Think shallowly and superficially, although you reason more primitively. fool
        1. ARES623
          ARES623 24 September 2015 07: 36 New
          +6
          Quote: Rav075
          Crime is a crime

          I would like to note that the term "crime" is a legal concept. And you, I see, are not very right ... Deal with the materiel.
          1. Rav075
            Rav075 24 September 2015 09: 18 New
            -10
            Listen, a lawyer (which I doubt very much): did the children and the elderly, who died during deportation in cattle-carriers from illnesses, hunger and cold, also betrayed their homeland?
            1. saber
              saber 24 September 2015 09: 21 New
              +1
              Once again, deport men, and who will feed the children and the elderly?
            2. MrK
              MrK 24 September 2015 11: 12 New
              23
              Quote: Rav075
              and the children and the elderly, who died during deportation in cattle carriers from illness, hunger and cold, also betrayed their homeland?


              Our liberals, as always, lie. They feel sorry for all the traitors. They are not sorry only for the Russians, who were only driven to Germany, almost 4 000 000 people died. And the Crimean Tatars helped the Germans in this.
              And in order not to be unfounded here from the Internet:

              The State Defense Committee DECIDES:
              http://maxpark.com/community/4375/content/2729881

              1. All Tatars should be evicted from the territory of Crimea and settled permanently as special settlers in the regions of the Uzbek SSR. To oblige the NKVD of the USSR (i.e. Beria) to complete the eviction of the Crimean Tatars by June 1, June 1944
              2. Establish the following procedure and conditions for eviction:
              a) allow special settlers to take with them personal belongings, clothing, household equipment, dishes and food in quantities up to 500 kilograms per family.
              d) Allocate the USSR People’s Commissariat of Health (i.e. Miterev) to each echelon with special resettlers, in time by agreement with the NKVD of the USSR, ONE DOCTOR AND TWO NURSES WITH AN APPROPRIATE STOCK OF MEDICINES AND PROVIDE MEDICAL AND SANITARY SERVICES OF SPECIAL DISPLACERS ON THE WAY;
              d) the People’s Commissariat of Trade of the USSR (t. Lyubimov) provide all trains with special settlers daily with hot meals and boiling water.
              For catering for special migrants on the way to allocate to the Narkomtorg products in quantity according to Appendix No. 1.
              3. Obligate the secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) of Uzbekistan, Comrade Yusupov, the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the Uzbek SSR, Comrade Abdurakhmanov, and the People's Commissar of the Interior of the Uzbek SSR, Comrade Kobulov, until June 1 p. d. to carry out the following activities for the reception and resettlement of special settlers:
              a) to accept and resettle within the Uzbek SSR 140 – 160 thousand people of special resettled Tatars sent by the NKVD of the USSR from the Crimean ASSR.
              b) The resettlement of special migrants is carried out in state farm settlements, existing collective farms, subsidiary agricultural enterprises and factory villages for use in agriculture and industry;
              d) provide endowment of arriving special settlers with personal plots and assist in the construction of houses with local building materials;
              4. To oblige Selkhozbank (i.e. Kravtsova) to issue to special migrants sent to the UZBEK SSR, in the places of their distribution, a loan for the construction of houses and for economic maintenance of up to 5.000 rubles for a long time.
              5. To oblige the People’s Commissariat of the USSR (t. Subbotina) to allocate flour, cereals and vegetables to the SNK of the Uzbek SSR for distribution to special settlers during June-August p. d. monthly equal amounts, according to Appendix No. 2.
              Chairman of the State Defense Committee
              I. STALIN

              Well, where is it in the open field.
              1. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 24 September 2015 14: 25 New
                -11
                Quote: mrark
                Well, where is it in the open field
                In Kazakhstan, in Kazakhstan ...
                Quote: mrark
                d) Allocate the USSR People's Commissariat of Health (i.e. Mitereva) for each train with special resettlers, within the time agreed with the NKVD of the USSR, ONE DOCTOR and TWO NURSES WITH AN APPROPRIATE MEDICAL RESERVE AND PROVIDE MEDICAL SPECIALISTS
                e) the People’s Commissariat of Trade of the USSR (T. Lyubimov) to provide all trains with special settlers with daily hot meals and boiling water ..
                Yeah fool "It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines." You still have the election program of "United Russia", cite as proof ..
                Quote: vyinemeynen
                NEVER SHOOTED PEOPLES, DESTROYED PEOPLES INFECTED WITH PLAGUE BLANKETS
                It’s of course soldier .
                Why plague blankets with the plague ..
                Just throw it in the winter into the Kazakh steppe .. something

                P.S. The bad thing is that there are no representatives of the Crimean Tatars here.
                Clarify their opinion "from the other side" to complete the picture.
                There was one Crimean, now gone.
                By the way, the food blockade of Crimea was organized Lenur и Marlene. That is, "Marx and Lenin" and "Lenin instituted a revolution" .. what
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 24 September 2015 14: 36 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Alibekulu
                  "It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines"

                  Do you have any facts? To the studio ..

                  In general, as far as I know, in those days orders were executed .. um .. much more willingly than in all subsequent ones ..

                  Don't have facts - don't forget to write "IMHO"

                  Quote: Alibekulu
                  You still have the election program of "United Russia", cite as proof ..

                  But you shouldn’t be rude, right?

                  Quote: Alibekulu
                  The bad news is that there are no representatives of the Crimean Tatars here. Clarify their opinion "from the other side" to complete the picture.

                  How old are they, those "witnesses"? They will tell you that Dzhemilev and Co. whispered to them there laughing
                2. MrK
                  MrK 24 September 2015 14: 51 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Alibekulu
                  Why plague blankets with the plague ..
                  Just throw it in the winter into the Kazakh steppe .. something

                  Dear, can you read? The deportation of the Crimean Tatars was completed by June 1. Well, let it be until the end of June. And in Uzbekistan and October you can sleep on bare ground.
                  And where is the conscience of these liberals. Or maybe something else has grown at this place?
              2. aleks 62 next
                aleks 62 next 24 September 2015 14: 36 New
                +2
                ... Well, where is it in the open field ...

                .... +++++ .... Slaughter !!!!!
            3. aleks 62 next
              aleks 62 next 24 September 2015 14: 35 New
              +1
              .... Listen, a lawyer (which I doubt very much): did the children and the elderly, who died during deportation in cattle-carriers from illnesses, hunger and cold, also betrayed their homeland? ...

              .... No ... They only brought cartridges and fed something .... :))))))
    7. oracul
      oracul 24 September 2015 08: 22 New
      +5
      You are our humanoid! It is a blessing for society that your ideas cannot be put into practice, because following this logic, the operative who killed the criminal in a shootout also turns into a criminal.
      1. Rav075
        Rav075 24 September 2015 09: 20 New
        -12
        Arachnoid, you are mine! Do not need your logic, see the Criminal Code and the law on the police.
    8. screw cutter
      screw cutter 24 September 2015 10: 30 New
      +4
      Do you think that a fox caught in a trap by biting his paw commits a crime in relation to the rest of the body ???
      The only difference is that a new "paw" will grow in society.
    9. esaull
      esaull 24 September 2015 22: 58 New
      +2
      It was not necessary to betray your country and support the invaders, everything was justifiable
      1. esaull
        esaull 24 September 2015 23: 00 New
        0
        what I have with the flag is not clear
  • sl22277
    sl22277 24 September 2015 05: 18 New
    36
    Repression is by definition an action outside the legal field. Therefore, the deportation of peoples is obviously repression.
    And what should be done according to the law? According to the law, it was necessary to judge each separately of the one who somehow aided the fascists.
    And according to the laws existing at that time, aiding was supposed to be either long terms or execution.
    Stalin actually declared an amnesty. They forgave everyone. And since it was impossible to leave them in the frontline zone, they were deported.
    So it turned out that whole peoples were preserved by repressive measures. The author is right in everything and especially in the examples given in the article. Stalin and Russia in comparison with the States and Europe are angels.
    1. Pavel Vereshchagin
      Pavel Vereshchagin 24 September 2015 05: 49 New
      14
      I completely agree. I just wanted to write about it. The descendants of the deportees do not want to understand that their ancestors could simply be destroyed as Indians in America.
    2. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 24 September 2015 14: 39 New
      +7
      .... deportation of peoples ...

      .... Here I read, I read komenty .... Yes there was no deportation !!!! .... There was a MOVEMENT !!!! .... Deportation is an expulsion (eviction) from the country !!!! .... Stalin, what ???? .... Everyone expelled to China ????? .. Or where else ???
    3. Down House
      Down House 25 September 2015 19: 50 New
      0
      Quote: sl22277
      Repression is by definition an action outside the legal field.

      Repression is punitive measures, punishment of criminals who have committed criminal offenses against state power. So it’s completely repressive in the legal field, as a protective mechanism of the state.
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 24 September 2015 05: 19 New
    10
    Stalin's deportation of the population was a very humane decision. Moreover, people of these nationalities (deported), who left on their own in the Urals, in Siberia, Kazakhstan, and anywhere, only away from the front, were not persecuted, they lived in peace.
    1. The polar
      The polar 24 September 2015 11: 59 New
      +4
      I dare not agree with you. And this is why, when at the beginning of the war they began to transport all German citizens to the Urals, they settled them in camps as a labor army. They were transported by their families, and they lived in barracks as prisoners. Sentries on the towers and other attributes of camp life, though without criminals, but men separately, women separately, and children in a boarding school.
  • Denis DV
    Denis DV 24 September 2015 05: 38 New
    10
    In the United States, the Aleuts also fell under the distribution, the hunter-gatherers and their families were much like samurai.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 24 September 2015 06: 15 New
      10
      I did not know that the Americans put all of their Japs into a concentration camp. It would be interesting to hear the snotty arguments of human rights activists on this issue.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 24 September 2015 06: 40 New
        +6
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        I did not know that the Americans put all of their Japs into a concentration camp. It would be interesting to hear the snotty arguments of human rights activists on this issue.

        But where do you find such figures on "human rights"? They all work from "humane" motives, which are expressed by the equivalent of banknotes.
      2. Good me
        Good me 24 September 2015 11: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        I did not know that the Americans put all of their Japs into a concentration camp. It would be interesting to hear the snotty arguments of human rights activists on this issue.


        Whose figures?

        If American, European, then you will not hear anything, as well as from the Japanese, who "forgot" about the barbaric atomic bombings.
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. gunya
        gunya 25 September 2015 17: 28 New
        +1
        So these are the Americans, and our liberoid connoisseurs of "universal values" are singing and whimpering over the state cheat sheets!
        Their brains are in their infancy, the mind only has enough to eat - tastier, sleep - softer, all and everything to spoil, considering themselves "the navel of the earth."
  • Vityok
    Vityok 24 September 2015 05: 48 New
    0
    The deportation of entire nations, this is definitely repression! According to the law, it was necessary to judge everyone who collaborated with the Nazis.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 24 September 2015 05: 59 New
      16
      Quote: Vitek
      about the law it was necessary to judge everyone who collaborated with the Nazis.

      According to the laws of war, for treason - execution on the spot without trial. So, it would not be individuals who were shot, but peoples. And now there would be silence on the air on this subject. It would be closed forever.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 24 September 2015 08: 02 New
        -17
        Quote: EvgNik
        According to the laws of war, for treason - execution on the spot without trial. So, it would not be individuals who were shot, but peoples.

        Based on this logic (the execution of peoples among which were traitors), it was possible to kill all the Russians, whom the Germans had served a lot. Even the whole army was - ROA under the command of General Vlasov.
        1. saber
          saber 24 September 2015 08: 45 New
          +1
          or our Jews captured them even more than Finns
        2. EvgNik
          EvgNik 24 September 2015 10: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: Bayonet
          Based on this logic (the execution of peoples among which were traitors)

          So, do you propose to go to the rear in time of military operations, catch traitors and judge? So the whole army would only be engaged in this, and not fought. Isn't it really more humane to simply relocate? And this is presented as repression, aggression. Relocated peoples lived in camps? No, they lived quietly, worked. And do not fan hysteria.
          1. The polar
            The polar 24 September 2015 12: 01 New
            -4
            Exactly what is in the camps
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 24 September 2015 10: 35 New
          -1
          Quote: Bayonet
          ROA under the command of General Vlasov.

          I do not like? I do not like it either. But you can’t put a minus story!
        4. kalibr
          kalibr 24 September 2015 11: 26 New
          +1
          In my book "Let's Die Near Moscow" I have collected, probably, all the material available for 2009 about who, how much and how served the Germans during the war from the USSR. Ask at your leisure. There are no links, but it is clear that all numbers are taken from credible sources and not made up. There, besides ROA ... wow!
    2. 34 region
      34 region 24 September 2015 11: 57 New
      +8
      Nifigase repression! They also gave a loan! Some at the front were killed, and the repressed home hut was raised! For the great democrats, this is repression. And the article doesn’t yet list how democracy was propagated. It is a pity that there are almost no articles on high elves in VO. Still embarrassed by them.
    3. gunya
      gunya 25 September 2015 17: 34 New
      0
      Child, they have already explained to you more than once that under the laws of the war this public was subject spray and she was only resettled.
      By the way, take an interest in the meaning of the word "deportation", but not in the "wiki". Maybe in sl. if you're not going to talk nonsense.
  • Gouging
    Gouging 24 September 2015 06: 03 New
    27
    Finally, I see the tyranny of Stalin. It was necessary (legally) to shoot! And he, a sort of tyrant, amended the laws of the state, he simply evicted a whole bunch to hell on small cakes. Tyrant, definitely!
  • valokordin
    valokordin 24 September 2015 06: 39 New
    +3
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    I did not know that the Americans put all of their Japs into a concentration camp. It would be interesting to hear the snotty arguments of human rights activists on this issue.

    The Americans are the Hitlerites of the present time, the "democratic" Hitlerites. If in Germany the personification of Nazism was the persona of Hitler and the slogan "Germany Uber Alles", America has another symbol "America above all else" and the personal symbol is blurred in "American democracy." And the fact that you did not know, so the democrats did not tell you.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 24 September 2015 07: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: valokordin
      And the fact that you did not know, so the democrats did not tell you.

      Just a gap in education. what Sadness. And the Crimean Tatars after the collapse of the Union were rude enough.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 24 September 2015 11: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        And the Crimean Tatars after the collapse of the Union were rude enough.

        And not just rude, tourists stole and robbed and killed.
  • populist
    populist 24 September 2015 06: 50 New
    0
    The author of the article is right and there is no doubt about the justice of Stalin’s actions.
    But in terms of efficiency ... Well, Comrade Stalin did not think that a proxy could get into his place. (This is a mild expression - the original did not pass)
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 24 September 2015 07: 05 New
    0
    No one will ever praise. no relocation. Take. modern - for the sake of the metro, the airway. Although there are no losses in the area, but still dissatisfaction. In the St. Petersburg metro lobby did not open for a long time because of this. A big injury, I think, due to the reservoirs.
    In my opinion, the most tragic are the US reservations.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 24 September 2015 13: 41 New
      +3
      No one will ever praise. no relocation.
      Well, as we all were relocated from the Soviet Union to the Liberal Bourgeois Federation. And what if not repression, that population decline in the 90s, and continues now. And the destruction of traditions is not repression, it is the destruction of the people. Here are just the latest merits of bourgeois liberals. Those who won the Great Patriotic War are, of course, bourgeois liberals, for both red flags and a portrait of the head of state for that period are prohibited. Revision of the start date of the school year, why? So that in Europe? And you can watch the speech of the main Islamist of the Federal Republic on YouTube. And you say relocation. We are all being resettled again.
  • South Kazakh
    South Kazakh 24 September 2015 07: 12 New
    17
    There are no solutions that suit everyone. There will always be one whose interests will be infringed more than others. Here is the question of the country's security in the rear of which there was a whole peninsula of traitors. The Americans or the British would certainly have shot or burned everyone. It is enough to recall the unnecessary from a military point of view, Dresden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima. Therefore, Stalin in this matter was still a humanist! And the descendants of those who were not taken out then, at the moment merge in ecstasy with the PSs, Bandera and other geeks in Ukraine.
    It would be interesting if Stalin were shown the present days of Ukraine, what decision would he make? Shooting or deportation !?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 September 2015 08: 07 New
      -15
      Quote: South Kazakh
      Here is the question of the country's security in the rear of which there was a whole peninsula of traitors.

      The old men and children who were taken to the bare steppe to perdition undoubtedly represented a threat to the country's security ...
      1. saber
        saber 24 September 2015 08: 53 New
        19
        still naked ?? and rightly you have data about the significant deaths of those taken out? (not the stories of "children of the repressed", but archival ones?) Maybe it was necessary to take out the Tatar men? and leave children and old people without breadwinners, so more humane? or leave in place?
        Well, Vasya Zagoruiko came from the front, and his fellow villagers tell him: - "Do you remember Dusya from the next house, with whom you walked by the hand before the war? So our Crimean Tatar neighbors handed her over to the police. There she was raped for three days, and then on They hung a birch tree .... "And what will the front-line soldier Vasya Zagoruiko do with those wonderful guys? And how will the district policeman solve the dilemma with the hero Vasya and the traitors? maybe it was better out of sight?
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 24 September 2015 15: 12 New
          +5
          Quote: Saber
          Well, Vasya Zagoruiko came from the front, and his fellow villagers tell him: - "Do you remember Dusya from the next house, with whom you walked by the hand before the war? So our Crimean Tatar neighbors handed her over to the police. There she was raped for three days, and then on They hung a birch tree .... "And what will the front-line soldier Vasya Zagoruiko do with those wonderful guys? And how will the district policeman solve the dilemma with the hero Vasya and the traitors? maybe it was better out of sight?

          +++++ I myself wanted to write about such a factor of post-war life, but you got ahead goodBut Comrade Stalin was very perspicacious and this factor took into account why he resettled the people, smeared head over heels in aiding the invaders, otherwise blood feud and lynching would have lasted for another 10-15 years. As they say, before the first drunkenness, and there the front-line soldiers would remember who to whom he brought cartridges and gave pedigree stallions. And the Crimean Tatars, under the Germans, not weakly in the Crimea, "had fun" in relation to the civilian population and partisans. Tatar punitive battalions tells.
      2. asher
        asher 24 September 2015 15: 14 New
        +3
        Yes, it’s old people and children in particular — in translation into normal language, seasoned animals and beasts that fiercely hated Russians, saw them as slaves and cattle and did everything to spoil any Russian.
    2. asher
      asher 24 September 2015 15: 12 New
      +4
      No, these are the descendants of the Crimean Tatar centuries-old abomination, which, for all the good, in the late 80s, the Uzbeks expelled from Ferghana with shame. They didn’t get along there either. It is a pity they were not stoned with all of them there. And as a young man in Tashkent, I watched in the semitrailers the bent dozens of backs of these reptiles still regretted when they were taken to our aircraft to the factory airfield. And he was also surprised that in our team one Russian designer, that he spent the war years in Crimea, was shaking right away at the mere mention of the Crimean Tatars.
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 24 September 2015 07: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: Rav075
    Think shallowly and superficially, although you reason more primitively

    , and generally speaking -

    Quote: Panikovsky
    ... you are a miserable, insignificant person!

    Sorry, inspired lol
  • voronbel53
    voronbel53 24 September 2015 07: 14 New
    +2
    Yes! WE DO NOT know our story, because of this we draw the wrong conclusions, blaming some and justifying the wrong ones ...
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 24 September 2015 07: 31 New
    +5
    GLORY TO GREAT STALIN!
    REMEMBER, BELIEVE, STRONG!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 September 2015 08: 10 New
      -16
      Quote: Volzhanin
      GLORY TO GREAT STALIN!
      REMEMBER, BELIEVE, STRONG!

      Strive for it? Well, good luck! hi
  • vyinemeynen
    vyinemeynen 24 September 2015 08: 07 New
    +1
    If the rulers of RUSSIA in history proceeded from the dilemma of exterminating the people or expelling (relocating) RUSSIA would not exist.
    The question posed to the author is beyond his power.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 24 September 2015 08: 19 New
    +5
    No comment. Very successful work among the Crimean Tatars, the Caucasian peoples of the Ingush, Chechens was led by the Polish Defensives department called "Prometheus" .. After the occupation of Poland, the Germans, the employees of "Prometheus", honestly reported to the Germans about the work done and gave them all the information .. ...
  • Smoke
    Smoke 24 September 2015 08: 26 New
    +1
    An informative article, of course, but why bother with the past ... Yes, the Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Ingush, Balts, Galician OUNites betrayed their family of peoples of the USSR - all these peoples served Hitler en masse and if you count how many they served in the Red Army and how many Hitler’s side, the bill will be in favor of the latter. Stalin spared them, treated them paternally — punished them, perhaps it might seem harsh to someone, but there have been times like that. In any case, these peoples were treated fraternally - they were left to live, but not burned in crematoriums and not rotted in concentration camps. And the rest of the peoples in the USSR’s family, who honestly fought, were not offended ... But it turns out that he fought blood, he didn’t see his family for 4 years, and then some kind of banderlog lives better than you do - is it unfair? But I just don’t understand why stir it all up then? What was the past overgrown, but for the future gone ..
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 September 2015 08: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Smoke
      Yes, the Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Ingush, Balts, Galician OUNites betrayed their family of the peoples of the USSR - all these nationalities served Hitler in droves

      You can’t rewrite history, the fascists were judged not only by these, but also by others:
      1. The Russian People’s National Army (RNNA), formed in Osinovka under the command of Colonel K. G. Kromiadi (Sanina), numbering 10 thousand people, in Russian uniform and with national insignia, consisting of six infantry battalions, a combat engineer battalion and artillery division. The political leader of the army was S. N. Ivanov. In August 1942, Kromiadi and Ivanov were replaced at these posts by Colonel V. I. Boyarsky and General G. N. Zhilenkov.
      2. The 120th Don Cossack Regiment (from the end of 1942 - the 600th Don Cossack Regiment), numbering about 3 thousand people, under the command of Lieutenant Colonel I. N. Kononov, formed in Mogilev.
      3. Eastern reserve regiment "Center", formed in Bobruisk and consisting of infantry battalions "Berezina", "Desna", "Dnepr", "Pripyat", "Volga" and several artillery batteries. The commander is Lieutenant Colonel N. G. Yanenko.
      4. The Russian People’s Liberation Army (RONA), formed in the self-governing Lokot region, numbering 20 thousand people, consisting of five infantry regiments, a combat engineer battalion, a tank battalion, an anti-aircraft battalion. The commander is Brigadier General B. Kaminsky.
      5. The "Druzhina" brigade under the command of Lieutenant Colonel V. V. Gil-Rodionov was a special case. It was formed in 1943 under the auspices of the SD, but had complete independence. Its number reached 8 thousand people, it consisted of several regiments and special units. Subsequently, the "ROA Guards Battalion" (in Pskov), the first formation that was in direct contact with Vlasov's circle (commander - Ivanov, deputy - Colonel IK Sakharov, chief of staff - Colonel Kromiadi), separated from the brigade.
      This is so, for example. If you dig, you can still find a lot.
      1. saber
        saber 24 September 2015 08: 55 New
        +4
        battle path of these glorious formations do not bother to lead?
      2. saber
        saber 24 September 2015 09: 05 New
        +2
        and do not confuse voluntary national associations with the ROA, which was recruited from captive fighters, most of whom seek to save their lives and escape at the earliest opportunity. in the same RONA there were several uprisings
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 24 September 2015 09: 19 New
          -1
          Quote: Saber
          and don’t confuse volunteer national associations with ROA,

          The army was formed in the same way as, for example, the North Caucasus Sonderverband Bergmann, the Georgian Legion of the Wehrmacht, mainly from Soviet prisoners of war or from among emigrants. However, serious disagreements existed between former Soviet prisoners of war and white emigrants, and the "white" were gradually ousted from the leadership of the ROA. Most of them served in other non-ROA Russian volunteer groups (only a few days before the end of the war formally attached to the ROA) - the Russian Corps, the brigade of General A.V. Turkul in Austria, the 1st Russian National Army, and the regiment " Varangian "Colonel M. A. Semenov, a separate regiment of Colonel Krzhizhanovsky, as well as in Cossack units (15th Cossack Cavalry Corps and Cossack Camp).
          1. saber
            saber 24 September 2015 09: 24 New
            +3
            Well? Cossacks also got nuts from Stalin. Where were those "camps" and "corps" fought? on paper in the office?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 24 September 2015 10: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: Saber
              where those "camps" and "corps" fought? on paper in the office?

              Have you asked a question, or are you trying to say something?

              If you have a question, go to the search engine. When you find that you fought "on paper" - you are welcome. They will listen to you with pleasure ..
              1. saber
                saber 24 September 2015 14: 27 New
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                that is, you, too, can not find anything in the search engine except the beautiful Goebbels names "Cossack", "Dobrovlcheskiy", "Army"? the ethnic composition of the "Russian" divisions, too, as I understand it, do you know? but how loudly can you shout about "millions of Russians who fought with Hitler against Stalin", right?
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 24 September 2015 18: 08 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Saber
                  that is, you too, nothing in the search engine

                  Turn on the logic ..

                  - You (not me and not your opponent) affirmsuch that A = B
                  - Your opponent (or I) asks to clarify - why, in fact, do you think so?
                  - to which you answer him (or me) - and go ahead look for yourself, think why I think so..

                  Cool, huh? wink

                  Quote: Saber
                  that is, you too ... can not find? ... do not know? ... Yes?

                  Not "I can't." I do not want. This is your statement. You prove it.

                  Something like this.. yes
                  1. saber
                    saber 25 September 2015 16: 27 New
                    -2
                    blah blah blah
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 25 September 2015 16: 42 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Saber
                      blah blah blah

                      Slaughter proof, thank you laughing
            2. kalibr
              kalibr 24 September 2015 11: 31 New
              +1
              They fought, for example, in Yugoslavia. There then, for a long time, the Cossacks scared the children
              1. saber
                saber 24 September 2015 14: 28 New
                0
                Facts? unit names? their number? and fought near Berlin, when approaching the Red Army, they tried to switch to its side
      3. Smoke
        Smoke 24 September 2015 09: 18 New
        +2

        [quote = Bayonet]
        [quote = Smoke] Yes, Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Ingush, Balts, Galician OUNites betrayed their family of the peoples of the USSR - all these nationalities served Hitler en masse [/ quote]
        You can’t rewrite history, the fascists were judged not only by these, but also by others:
        [/ Quote]

        if you quote, then quote in full, otherwise it turns out that you yourself didn’t carefully read my post and mislead others.

        Here is my quote
        [quote = Smoke] Yes, the Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Ingush, Balts, Galician OUNites betrayed their family of the peoples of the USSR - all these peoples served Hitler in droves and if you count how many of them served in the Red Army and how many are on Hitler's side, the bill will be in favor of the second. [/ Quote]

        And here is your quote of my quote:
        [quote = Bayonet]
        [quote = Smoke] Yes, Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Ingush, Balts, Galician OUNites betrayed their family of the peoples of the USSR - all these nationalities served Hitler en masse [/ quote]

        As they say, feel the difference ... Tell me why you are doing this?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 24 September 2015 09: 32 New
          -6
          Quote: Smoke
          Tell me why are you doing this?

          Then, that it is not necessary to hang all sins on representatives of individual peoples! There were citizens of the USSR, and among them were heroes and traitors. It’s who, by what kind, was born!
          1. Smoke
            Smoke 24 September 2015 11: 46 New
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            Quote: Bayonet
            Quote: Smoke
            Tell me why are you doing this?

            Then, that it is not necessary to hang all sins on representatives of individual peoples! There were citizens of the USSR, and among them were heroes and traitors. It’s who, by what kind, was born!


            heh with tees, which we are despicable, with tyrants who are so kind ... there isn’t enough evil for such people ... This means that each of the less numerous people in the USSR had its own republic or autonomous region - here yes we agree to divide into peoples and even tribes . And how to answer for crimes against the state, so everything, it’s not not that you are what you judge us as ordinary citizens ... So it will not go dear. If we are already divided into peoples, if we really demand privileges for ourselves as peoples in the form of separate republics and self-government, then ALL the people should and must be responsible for the actions of their fellow tribesmen. This is fair, I think.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 24 September 2015 13: 33 New
              -9
              Quote: Smoke
              there isn’t enough evil on such

              That's what, and this is enough for you, but there was no conscience and no mind, no, and never will be!
            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 24 September 2015 18: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: Smoke
              to be responsible for the actions of their fellow tribesmen, if necessary, should and must be ALL the people.

              Hero of the Soviet Union SEITNAFE SEITELIEV
              Born on 29. 05. 1919 in the village of Tav-Kipchak, Karasubazar district (now Belogorsky district, Crimea). Senior sergeant, calculation commander 45 mm. guns fighter anti-tank battery 350 rifle regiment.
              More than once during the offensive, the crew found themselves in a difficult situation, but the insolence, courage and skill of the commander Seitveliev ensured victory. He fought with the White Finns, a participant in the defense of Odessa, forcing the Berezina. He took part in the liberation of Belarus.
              In the village of Maryina Gorka, south of Minsk, Seitveliev’s crew repelled the enemy’s counter-offensive, firing direct fire at the enemy’s cluster. M.I. Kalinin in the Kremlin awarded the Star of a Hero of the Soviet Union.
              The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded on 25.
              Hero of the Soviet Union IBRAIM BERKUTOV
              Born in 1918 in the village of Alma-Tomak, Bakhchisarai district. In the Soviet Army since 1938

              Platoon commander of the 616th separate combat engineer battalion of the 337th infantry division of the 40th Army of the Voronezh Front. Junior Lieutenant Berkutov distinguished himself in battles in the area of ​​Horoshki, Lubensky district, and Sholtava region. 16. 09. 1943 with a group of sappers blew up a dam and a bridge across the Sula River in the rear of the enemy, depriving him of maneuver and the ability to launch a counterattack on the flank of the division.
              28. 09. 1943 when crossing the Dnieper in the area with. Zarubintsy of the Kanevsky district of the Cherkasy region, his platoon ensured the transfer of fighters and military equipment to the right bank of the river to be fixed on the [captured bridgehead.
              The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded 13. 11. 1943. Awarded with the Lenin Oden. Died in battle on 4.12.1943/XNUMX/XNUMX. He was buried in s. Halepye Obukhov district of Kiev region. The name of the hero is the street in this village.
              Hero of the Soviet Union ABILOV FETISHLAM
              Born in March 1915 in the jealousy of Sheikh Ali of the Dzhankoy district.
              Guard Colonel. The commander of the 130 rifle regiment of the 44th division. In 1939 he participated in events at Khalkhin Gol.
              During the Second World War, he participated in the defense of Moscow, forcing the Dnieper, the liberation of Belarus, Ukraine, Poland. He ended the war by taking Berlin.
              For the courage and bravery of the guard, Colonel Abilov was awarded the Orders of Lenin, Kutuzov, Suvorov, Red Star, World War II, 4 Orders of the Red Banner, and medals. During 1944-45. twice presented to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, but due to belonging to the illegally repressed Crimean Tatar people, the representations were not realized.
              He lived in the city of Zhukovsky, Moscow Region. The award found the Hero only after 45 years. He was awarded this high title by Decree of the President of the USSR of May 5, 1990 with the awarding of the Order of Lenin and the Gold Star medal (No. 11603).
              Died 15. 08. 2005. He was buried in the city of Zhukovsky
              Hero of the Republic of Poland - Captain DIED AKMOLL ADAMANOV
              The partisan nickname is "Tatar Bear".
              Born in with. Ayvasil of Yalta County, captain of the Lyudova Guard, commander of the Soviet-Polish partisan detachment named after Kotovsky, who during the years of World War II operated on the territory of Poland.
              In 1943, in an unequal battle with the Nazis, he died a heroic death. He was posthumously awarded the Order of the Grunwald Cross.
            3. Bayonet
              Bayonet 24 September 2015 18: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Smoke
              to be responsible for the actions of their fellow tribesmen, if necessary, should and must be ALL the people.

              Hero of the Soviet Union Anatoly Abilov Abilovich
              Commander of the 130th Guards Rifle Regiment of the 44th Guards Rifle Division of the 65th Army of the 1st Belorussian Front, Guard Lieutenant Colonel. The Rifle Regiment entrusted to the Guard, Lieutenant Colonel A. A. Abilov, fought fifty kilometers in nine days, liberated sixteen points.
              The regiment commander Abilov twice (in 1944 and 1945) introduced himself to the rank of Hero of the Soviet Union, but the awards did not take place either during the war or in the first post-war years and decades ...
              By a decree of the President of the USSR of May 5, 1990, for the skillful command of a rifle regiment, exemplary performance of command missions at the front of the struggle against Nazi invaders and the courage and heroism shown to retired colonel Anatoly Abilovich Abilov was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union with the Order of Lenin and Gold Star medals (No. 11603). He was awarded the Order of Lenin, four orders of the Red Banner, orders of Suvorov 3rd degree, Kutuzov 3rd degree, World War 1 degree, medals, a foreign order and a medal. He died on August 15, 2005. He was buried in Zhukovsky.
              By a decision of the Council of Deputies of the city of Zhukovsky on May 4, 2005, an active participant in the Great Patriotic War, a Hero of the Soviet Union, a member of the Council of Veterans of the Komsomol of the city, a member of the Presidium of the Council of Veterans of the War, Labor, Armed Forces and law enforcement agencies, A. A. Abilov was awarded the title “Honorary Citizen of the city Zhukovsky. "

              CHALBASH EMIR-USEIN
              Unrecognized Hero. Retired aviation colonel, invalid of the First World War Group I, cavalier of 9 military orders, 1st-class military pilot.
              During the Second World War, he went from a fighter pilot to deputy commander of an air division. During his time at the front, he flew 360 sorties on I-16, YAK-1, LA-5 aircraft. In aerial combat shot down 17 aircraft. In order to preserve combat vehicles, he twice brought them to his airfield, being wounded in the air. For services to his homeland he was awarded 3 orders of the Red Banner and 3 orders of the Red Star, 3 orders of the Red Banner, orders of Alexander Nevsky, Bogdan Khmelnitsky, 2 orders of the Patriotic war and 13 medals. After retiring for more than 10 years, he worked at the Kiev Higher Military Aviation Engineering College. In 1965 and 1991. I (out. No. 1404 of 8. 06. 1965 and 4168 of 21. 01. 1991) was presented to the highest government award - Hero of the Soviet Union, but the ideas were not realized.
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 25 September 2015 08: 25 New
                0
                Quote: Bayonet
                Hero of the Soviet Union ...

                What kind of villain should be in order to spit the Heroes of the Soviet Union ??? You didn’t put a minus to me, you spat on the memory of the Heroes!
            4. Bayonet
              Bayonet 24 September 2015 18: 51 New
              0
              Quote: Smoke
              to be responsible for the actions of their fellow tribesmen, if necessary, should and must be ALL the people.

              CRIMEAN TATARS - CAVALIERS OF ORDERS OF GLORY OF 3 DEGREES equating to HEROES OF THE SOVIET UNION

              SEITNEBI ABDURAMANOV
              In one of the battles of the Vistula-Oder operation, Sergeant Abduramanov rushed into the attack, dragging his comrades, burst into the enemy trench, in hand-to-hand combat one destroyed 8 Nazis, 4 captured. In the area of ​​Frankfurt an der Oder, during the battle he assumed command of a platoon and entered into hand-to-hand combat.
              He lived after the war in the city of Namangan of the Uzbek SSR.
              NASIBULA THE GREAT
              Guard senior sergeant, commander of the ¬ vvedgruppa. For military exploits on the fronts of the Second World War he was awarded the Order of Glory of 3 degrees, the Order of the Red Banner, Red Star and 6 medals.
              Member of the battles with the White Finns, defended Stalingrad, went through the battles through Odessa, Kovel, Poland. He ended the war in Germany. The Order of Glory of the 3rd degree was presented to him in the Kremlin by M.I. Kalinin. After the war, he worked for 16 years in a mine in the city of Anthracite. He participated in Moscow at a meeting of the absolute holders of the Order of Glory, where Marshal of the Soviet Union, USSR Minister of Defense Grechko gave him a nominal watch.
              BACHY SETTAROV
              Guard sergeant, commander of a platoon of intelligence officers of the 11th Infantry Division. The holder of the orders of Glory of 3 degrees, the Red Star and the medal for courage.
              Since 1941, not sparing his life, he fought with the Nazis on the South-Western Front, defended Novorossiysk. He was carried out three times from the battlefield to seriously wounded.
              In January 1942 in a heavy battle for his hometown, Kerch lost both legs.
              Abdullah Umerov
              Guard Senior Sergeant, battery commander of the 544th Infantry Regiment of the 152nd Division. The combat biography of Umerov began on the Finnish front. With the outbreak of war, he was sent to retraining courses.
              After graduating, he became the commander of the battery. He participated in the liberation of Smolensk, Gomel, Bryansk, Bobruisk, the Baltic States, Warsaw, Prussia, Koenigsberg. For military exploits he was awarded two Orders of the Glory of the 2nd and 3rd degree, the Order of the Red Star and several medals. Has a severe wound, a disabled person of group 1.
              AFUZOV SABRI AMETOVICH
              The war found him in Sevastopol. In 1942, the factory in which Sabri worked was relocated to Tuapse. He wrote a statement on joining the Red Army as a volunteer. He was enlisted in the airborne troops (5th division). He served in intelligence. For exemplary performance of a combat mission in the rear of the enemy, he was awarded the Order of Glory. After a serious wound in early 1945 he was demobilized.
            5. Bayonet
              Bayonet 24 September 2015 18: 55 New
              -1
              Quote: Smoke
              to be responsible for the actions of their fellow tribesmen, if necessary, should and must be ALL the people.

              CRIMEAN TATARS - GENERALS

              ABLAKIM GAFAROV - lieutenant general.
              ISMAIL BULATOV - Major General.
              BAKHSHI MIKHAIL, lieutenant general.
              TARKHANOV USEIN, Major General of the Medical Service.
              MEMETOV TALYAT, Major General.
              1. Smoke
                Smoke 24 September 2015 19: 18 New
                0
                So they can arrange a machine in the hands of their fellow tribesmen, I don’t think that they condemned the deportation, on the contrary, they thanked them for allowing their nations to live
      4. MrK
        MrK 24 September 2015 10: 32 New
        +9
        Quote: Bayonet
        The "Druzhina" brigade under the command of Lieutenant Colonel V. V. Gil-Rodionov was a special case. It was formed in 1943 under the auspices of the SD, but had complete independence.

        But what can you not say that the brigade of Gil-Rodionov at the end of 1943 went to the partisans.
        “I am ready to bear responsibility for my behavior and the behavior of my subordinates. I give my word of honor that I will fight with the Nazis courageously, to the last drop, blood ”- said Mochulsky, secretary of the Minsk underground regional party committee, at the first meeting of Gil-Rodionov.
        He kept his word. The brigade fought successfully. Her commander died fighting with punishers in May 1944.
      5. Captain45
        Captain45 24 September 2015 15: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Bayonet
        5. The "Druzhina" brigade under the command of Lieutenant Colonel V. V. Gil-Rodionov was a special case. It was formed in 1943 under the auspices of the SD, but had complete independence. Its number reached 8 thousand people, it consisted of several regiments and special units.

        Gil-Rodionov in 1944, together with the brigade in full strength, went over to the side of the Red Army, subsequently was awarded the Order of the "Battle Red Banner. If I am not mistaken, there was an article about him here on VO,
      6. gunya
        gunya 25 September 2015 17: 50 New
        +1
        You can’t rewrite history; not only these, but also others served the fascists. If you dig, you can still find a lot.


        History is not rewritten, conclusions are drawn from history. But the conclusion is clear: in 1937, they badly cleaned so many senior officers who were missed.
    2. alone
      alone 24 September 2015 09: 30 New
      -5
      Quote: Smoke
      An informative article, of course, but why bother with the past ... Yes, the Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Ingush, Balts, Galician OUNites betrayed their family of peoples of the USSR - all these peoples served Hitler en masse and if you count how many they served in the Red Army and how many Hitler’s side, the bill will be in favor of the latter. Stalin spared them, treated them paternally — punished them, perhaps it might seem harsh to someone, but there have been times like that. In any case, these peoples were treated fraternally - they were left to live, but not burned in crematoriums and not rotted in concentration camps. And the rest of the peoples in the USSR’s family, who honestly fought, were not offended ... But it turns out that he fought blood, he didn’t see his family for 4 years, and then some kind of banderlog lives better than you do - is it unfair? But I just don’t understand why stir it all up then? What was the past overgrown, but for the future gone ..

      By your logic, then all the peoples of the USSR should have been deported. As part of the Wehrmacht and the SS, representatives of all peoples living on the territory of the USSR.

      P.S. For those who justify the mass deportation of peoples, I wish him to be deported to the same conditions. am
      1. Smoke
        Smoke 24 September 2015 09: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: lonely

        By your logic, then all the peoples of the USSR should have been deported. As part of the Wehrmacht and the SS, representatives of all peoples living on the territory of the USSR.

        P.S. For those who justify the mass deportation of peoples, I wish him to be deported to the same conditions. am


        Everything is fine with the logic. Re-read my post again, especially in the place where it is shown in bold and turn on your convolutions finally
      2. asher
        asher 24 September 2015 15: 21 New
        +2
        Have you ever been to the Ferghana Valley? Or at least in Tashkent? I have something to compare in Siberia. I lived in Tashkent for 12 years. Who would send me to Crimea now !!
    3. The polar
      The polar 24 September 2015 12: 06 New
      +6
      I ask you not to align all under one comb. Offended served, and there were those who earned the blood of the order. Example Hero of the USSR pilot Shcherbakov (I do not remember the name and patronymic) Crimean Tatar. And how many heroes of the Soviet Union of German nationality were - 9 people.
      1. ermak.sidorov
        ermak.sidorov 24 September 2015 12: 38 New
        +1
        I wanted to ask a question about how the Volga Germans became Kazakh Germans? What they experienced was softer or tougher than what happened to the Crimean Tatars?
        1. asher
          asher 24 September 2015 15: 25 New
          +8
          The conditions for the Germans in Kazakhstan were harsher than for the Tatars in Ferghana. But they proved themselves worthy. They created strong farms, built beautiful houses. We got along well with our neighbors, unlike the Tatars. With the departure of the Germans, Kazakhstan lost a lot.
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      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 24 September 2015 18: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Polar
        I ask you not to align all under one comb.

        Amet-Khan, Sultan - Crimean Tatar, Soviet military pilot ace, participant in World War II, twice Hero of the Soviet Union (1943, 1945), Honored Test Pilot of the USSR (1961), USSR State Prize laureate (1953). During the flight, he mastered about 100 types of aircraft, his flight time was 4237 hours. He died during the test of the aircraft on February 1, 1971.
    4. gunya
      gunya 25 September 2015 17: 44 New
      0
      But I just don’t understand why stir it all up then? What was the past overgrown, but for the future gone ..

      Why and need to be reminded so that there is no Ukrainian example.
    5. arjiev
      arjiev 26 September 2015 08: 17 New
      0
      You didn’t lie about the Chechens and Ingush; you, everyone who knows everything, any authority will justify their cruelty and crime of Stalin and his pack is not an exception;
      nils what are such 3 thousand militants of which two and a half thousand prosperous peasants
      Chechen himself!
  • akudr48
    akudr48 24 September 2015 08: 36 New
    23
    The topic of deportations has become politically and economically profitable and profitable since perestroika.

    The traitors and bandits from the pen and the pen have perverted and distorted everything so much that it seems that in the USSR all nations were destroyed and deported, with the exception of the Russian people, they made him the main guilty for what was and more, which was not. The golden cloud sleptand that’s it.

    After this deportation hysteria, and, in fact, the information war against the Russians, even under the Soviet Union, when it turned out that everyone except the Russians had suffered so much, the Russians began to be expelled from their apartments in all the republics, Suitcase - Station - Russia, if anyone had forgotten. And then they began to kill, and again not a gugu.

    But there is silence about it, it is not tolerant, it incites hatred, etc.

    Be patient, Russian, and further, but tolerate tolerate, shut up, and you will be happy until ISIS came.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 September 2015 08: 55 New
      -8
      Quote: akudr48
      Russians began to be expelled from their apartments in all the republics, Suitcase - Station - Russia, if anyone had forgotten. And then they began to kill, and again not a gugu.

      Some have sowed evil (they have not existed for a long time), while others are forced to reap its benefits ...
      1. dmb
        dmb 24 September 2015 11: 43 New
        -4
        Well, if we proceed from your logic, then the Georgians should have reaped the benefits first of all. The topic of deportations was a cover for the breakthrough of nationalists and separatists to power, because the standard of living in the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was much higher than that of the same deported Kalmyks, I'm talking about the undeproved Volga region. So the "restoration of historical injustice" does not work here. This does not mean at all that I consider the eviction of the PEOPLE legal and just. Moreover, I do not see any logical motives for this. Of course, it would be interesting to familiarize yourself with the transcript of Stalin's meeting on this issue, but I'm afraid there isn't one. Another thing is scary, well, our gallant fellow citizens cannot understand that their references to the Americans, and even more so to the Germans (as they had) contradict the very spirit of Soviet power, because the injustice committed by individual representatives of this power harms it much more than a hundred terry spies and traitors.
  • xoma58
    xoma58 24 September 2015 09: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: Rav075
    Is your brain completely frozen? Crime is a crime, and what motive is another matter - there is no talk about it !!! Think shallowly and superficially, although you reason more primitively. fool

    Stalin saved thousands of lives of Soviet soldiers and civilians, knocking out a backup from the enemy. And what kind of brain can this something sold by the State Department reason something incomprehensible, which has never had a brain.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 24 September 2015 09: 31 New
    +6
    Our family had a good friend for a long time - a resettled Tatar. He said that when they were brought there, their father told them: "go to the Russians now" and drove the sons of 14,15 years old from the house. We went to the Russians, they served the army. received education.
  • kuz363
    kuz363 24 September 2015 09: 42 New
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    I read this information from German sources. The Tatars in Crimea were so atrocious that the local population turned to the Germans for help to protect them! So let them say thanks to Stalin for sending them to warm Central Asia, and not to Kolyma. thus, he saved the Tatar population from the revenge of the front-line soldiers returning to Crimea after the war. They would not forgive such a betrayal. At that time, the Tatar population was over 200 thousand people. If you throw out children, women with an average family size of 4 people, you get 50 thousand men. Those. half of the Tatars men served the Germans! Moreover, already with the capture of Berlin he was defended by the Tatar division of 10 thousand people!
  • Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 24 September 2015 09: 49 New
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    Regarding the Crimean Tatars (Crimean Turks), at one time he spoke with veterans who defended and liberated Crimea. Grandfathers told a lot of things about these "victims", so they were sure that the "bloody tyrant" simply saved this ethnic group from the revenge of the returning war veterans. There was no such hatred even towards the Germans. Now, and in Soviet times it was not popular to talk about the mass betrayal of these peoples, well, I.V. Stalin imprisoned a whole ethnic group, we are not Anglo-Saxons. But he could not leave them on the peninsula, just like the Greeks (mass smuggling) under the prevailing conditions. He could not forgive the thousands of slaughtered Russians and other nationalities. This is now forgiven the Chechens for the destruction of the Russian population, yes and then they will remember in due time.
    Betrayal in the Crimean War was also forgiven by these victims. Did they rate it? We in Sevastopol did not forget anything (the massacre of women and children arranged after the fall of the city, which was stopped by the Germans by shooting the avengers.), There are still living witnesses.
    Do you believe this white and fluffy? If the “green men” had not come during the Crimean uprising, you would have looked at them. Watch the video under the Supreme Council of Crimea. Everything is simple with the Mejlis ... you don’t support us? Like your family, are all alive? ...
    There is another probable reason for the expulsion. The activities of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee associated with the Zionists. The USA seriously proposed (the Zionist lobby) to create an independent Jewish state in Crimea. The topic is still unpopular ...
    In general, the topic is big and controversial, as one old Tatar in 1996 told me, who, according to him, defended Sevastopol, who was captured there. He sat in our camp ... listen, but Stalin must be back ...
  • nivander
    nivander 24 September 2015 09: 53 New
    -6
    a very controversial article. I especially liked it - "by that time the Germans still owned southern Ukraine, and Romania, and Bulgaria ... From their shores to the Crimea - one night transition" ---- in 1941 such a transition took 3 months of heavy fighting. And even when the Germans took Sevastopol - the 30th and 54th corps of the 11th army + all the artillery went to conquer Leningrad, the Romanian corps went to the Caucasus, the 22nd Panzer Division was transferred to Stalingrad. and the 42nd Army Corps remained as a garrison, it is doubtful that after the occupation of the Crimea, there would have remained "a small garrison and the Administration."
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 24 September 2015 10: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: nivasander
      From their shores to the Crimea - one night crossing "---- in 1941, such a crossing took 3 months of heavy fighting.

      By the sea, nivasander, by the sea. Ships on the water.
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 24 September 2015 10: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: Bayonet
    Based on this logic (the execution of peoples among which were traitors)

    So, do you propose to go to the rear in time of military operations, catch traitors and judge? So the whole army would only be engaged in this, and not fought. Isn't it really more humane to simply relocate? And this is presented as repression, aggression. Relocated peoples lived in camps? No, they lived quietly, worked. And do not fan hysteria.
  • Basil50
    Basil50 24 September 2015 10: 34 New
    +2
    All deported peoples justify claims only by the fact that they were expelled and not shot * guilty *, only the number of criminals is such that we can talk about the total liability of all these peoples. Statistics of deserters and outright bandits are available, and of course, the accomplices who fed resold the loot, what do they * food stamps *? The execution was replaced by deportation, not even to the zone, and according to the law, all the deportees EARNED to themselves the execution with confiscation. By the way, those who were in the ROA were shot or imprisoned for real terms. The 90s, and present times show that forgiveness leads only to a sense of impunity, which is why all these gangster manifestations became possible. The desire of these peoples was * unanimous *: so that * the true masters * could fatten and * smell *, and for this they would catch the slaves or simply rob everyone they could reach. For some reason, the ideology of the very independent today primitively fits into the desire to become managers of any occupier, and more slaves are desirable.
  • screw cutter
    screw cutter 24 September 2015 10: 44 New
    +3
    1. All Tatars should be evicted from the territory of the Crimea and settled for permanent residence as special settlers in the areas of the Uzbek SSR. The eviction to impose on the NKVD of the USSR. To oblige the NKVD of the USSR (Comrade Beria) to evict the Crimean Tatars to finish by June 1 1944

    2. Establish the following procedure and conditions for eviction
    a) allow special settlers to take with them personal belongings, clothing, household equipment, dishes and food in quantities up to 500 kilograms per family.

    Remaining property, buildings, outbuildings, furniture and homestead lands are accepted by local authorities; all productive and dairy cattle, as well as poultry are accepted by the People's Commissariat of Industry, all agricultural products by the People's Commissariat of the USSR, horses and other working cattle by the People's Commissariat of the USSR, pedigree cattle - by the People's Commissariat of the USSR.

    Acceptance of livestock, grain, vegetables and other types of agricultural products to produce with the extract of exchange receipts for each locality and each farm.

    Instruct the NKVD of the USSR, the People's Commissariat of Agriculture, the People's Commissariat of Agriculture, the People's Commissariat of Agriculture and the People's Commissariat of the USSR by July 1 this year. submit proposals to the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR on the procedure for returning the exchange receipts to special settlers of cattle, poultry and agricultural products taken from them;

    b) to organize the reception from the special settlers of property, livestock, grain and agricultural products left by them in places of eviction, to send a commission of the CPC to the place.

    To oblige the People's Commissariat of the USSR, the People's Commissariat of the USSR, the NKMiMP USSR, the People's Commissariat of Agriculture of the USSR to provide the necessary number of workers to Crimea to receive livestock, grain and agricultural products from special settlers;

    c) oblige the NKPS to organize the transportation of special settlers from the Crimea to the Uzbek SSR by specially formed echelons according to a schedule drawn up jointly with the NKVD of the USSR. The number of trains, loading stations and destination stations at the request of the NKVD of the USSR. Payments for the carriage to be made at the rate of transport of prisoners;

    d) the People's Commissariat of Health of the USSR should allocate one doctor and two nurses with an appropriate supply of medicines for each echelon with special settlers, in terms of coordination with the NKVD of the USSR, and provide medical and sanitary services for special settlers on the way; The People's Commissariat of the USSR provide all trains with special settlers daily with hot meals and boiling water.

    For catering for special settlers on the way, allocate products to the People's Commissariat in quantity, according to Appendix No. XXUMX.
  • screw cutter
    screw cutter 24 September 2015 10: 45 New
    +5
    3. To oblige Comrade Yusupov, Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (Bolsheviks) of Uzbekistan, Comrade Abdurakhmanov, Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of UzSSR, and Comrade Kobulov, People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the Uzbek SSR, until June 1 of this year. carry out the following activities for the reception and resettlement of special settlers

    a) to accept and resettle, within the Uzbek SSR 140 – 160, thousands of special settlers - Tatars, who were sent by the NKVD of the USSR from the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic.

    Special settlers should be resettled in state farm settlements, existing collective farms, subsidiary farms of enterprises and factory settlements for use in agriculture and industry;

    b) in the areas of resettlement of special settlers, create commissions consisting of the chairman of the regional executive committee, the secretary of the regional committee and the head of the UNKVD, entrusting to these commissions all activities related to the reception and accommodation of the arriving special settlers;

    c) in each area of ​​the settlement of special settlers to organize district troikas consisting of the chairman of the district executive committee, the secretary of the district committee and the head of the NKVD Regional Directorate, entrusting them with the placement and reception of the arriving special settlers;

    d) prepare guzhavtotransport for transportation of special settlers, mobilizing for this the transport of any enterprises and institutions;

    e) to provide the allotment of arriving special settlers with personal plots and to assist in the construction of houses with local building materials;

    e) to organize in the areas of resettlement of special settlers of the special commandant's office of the NKVD, bearing their content at the expense of the estimate of the NKVD of the USSR

    g) Central Committee and SNK UzSSR to 20 May this year. to submit to the NKVD of the USSR, t. Beria, a project for the resettlement of special settlers in regions and districts, with indication of the echelon unloading station.

    4 Oblige Agricultural Bank to issue special immigrants sent to the Uzbek SSR, in the places of their resettlement, a loan for the construction of houses and economic furnishing up to 5000 rubles per family, with installments up to 7 years.

    5. To oblige the USSR People's Commissariat of Commerce to allocate to the SNK of the Uzbek SSR flour, cereals and vegetables for distribution to special settlers during June-August of this year. monthly in equal amounts, according to Appendix No. 2.

    Issuing flour, cereals and vegetables to special settlers during June-August of this year. produce free of charge, in the calculation for their agricultural products and livestock in their places of eviction.

    6. Oblige NPOs to hand over during May-June of this year. to reinforce the vehicles of the NKVD troops deployed by the garrisons in the resettlement areas of the special settlers — in the Uzbek SSR, the Kazakh SSR and the Kirghiz SSR, the “Willis” vehicles - 100 units and trucks - 250 units, which were out of repair.

    7. To obligate Glavneftesnab to allocate and ship up to 20 of May 1944 of the year to points on the instructions of the NKVD of the USSR 400 tons of gasoline, at the disposal of the SNK of the Uzbek SSR - 200 tons.

    Supply of gasoline to produce due to a uniform reduction in supply to all other consumers.

    8. To oblige Glavsnables under SNK of the USSR at the expense of any resources to supply NNPS 75 000 wagon boards for 2,75 m each, with their delivery before 15 in May of this year; transportation boards NKPS to make their own funds.

    9. Narkomfinu USSR to let the NKVD of the USSR in May of this year. from the reserve fund SNK USSR for special events 30 million rubles.

    Chairman of the State Defense Committee I. Stalin ".
    1. atos_kin
      atos_kin 24 September 2015 11: 45 New
      +2
      IMHO: Making a decision on resettlement in those conditions is the most optimal, more precisely humane, and economically justified way. Leaving the enemy's accomplices in the rear without punishment is impossible, they will bring irreparable losses. It is impossible to simply destroy, we are not fascists or Americans. It is possible to carry out the screening procedure for "good and bad" - it is possible, but it takes a lot of time and resources, and there is nowhere to put the children (the Nazis called it "camp filtration", but without involving the judicial system). Resettlement with the subsequent rehabilitation of those punished undeservedly - only economic losses and "howling of democratic descendants."
      Hats off to my ancestors.
  • vnord
    vnord 24 September 2015 10: 58 New
    +9
    In the year 1983, in the town of Labytnangi (Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug), he encountered people who had served 20–25 years after the Second World War and who remained there with the Arctic Circle to live after liberation. Each of them had its own history and service in the police and in the auxiliary units of the Wehrmacht, etc. But they did not find fault with Comrade Stalin, and not one of them said that the saddles were innocent ..
    1. MrK
      MrK 25 September 2015 00: 52 New
      +3
      Thanks vnord. I will give another example.
      In the summer of 1944, during the offensive of the Anglo-American troops in France, they were captured by a large number of German soldiers and officers, who were usually sent to camps in England.
      It soon became clear that some of these prisoners did not understand German and that it turned out to be former Soviet soldiers who were captured by the Germans and then entered the German army.
      According to article 193 of the then Criminal Code of the RSFSR, there was only one punishment for the transfer of military personnel to the enemy side in wartime - the death penalty with confiscation of property.
      The British knew about this, however, informed Moscow about these persons and asked to be picked up in the USSR. October 31 1944 9907 repatriates on three English ships were sent to Murmansk, where they arrived on November 6.
      Among the deportees, it was suggested that they would be shot immediately on the Murmansk marina. However, officials explained that the Soviet government had forgiven them and that they would not only not be shot, but would be freed from criminal prosecution for treason.
      For more than a year, these people were tested in the NKVD special camp, and then were sent to the 6 summer special settlement.
      In 1952, most of them were released, and in their profiles there was no criminal record, and the time of work in the special settlement was counted in the length of service.
      source - [Kurlyandchik A.– “THE CURSED SOVIET AUTHORITY” ... on Proza.ru]
  • siberalt
    siberalt 24 September 2015 11: 24 New
    +1
    [quote = venaya] [quote = Rav075] One crime cannot be justified by another! [/ quote]
    War is a crime in itself.

    It is even strange that at the forum "VO" someone does not understand the difference between the wars of conquest and liberation, military aggression and defense against it.
  • alone
    alone 24 September 2015 12: 44 New
    +1
    People, each responsible for his deed. If a person betrayed a country, he should be responsible for his sins before the law. There is no difference what kind of criminal the nationality is. If even the traitors were many and they were from the same nationality, this does not give anyone the right to accuse the whole people of betrayal.
    And now a large number of members of the forum justify these deportations with some fears of revenge. It's a shame. Because of protecting your idol, you completely deny your conscience and the presumption of innocence.
  • Black cat
    Black cat 24 September 2015 12: 57 New
    +2
    "PS One thing I just can't understand: the Americans in 1942 put 120 thousand of their citizens of Japanese origin in concentration camps. Everyone who had at least 1/16 of Japanese blood in their blood ... What was their logic? The American continent has never been set foot by a Japanese soldier, from America to Japan - 8 thousand km of ocean, in America there have never been Japanese partisans ... Maybe, who knows? "
    Thank you for the article. And the logic is quite clear. In those days, the US intelligence services did not yet know how to control everyone, they simply could not technically. Ethnic Japanese are a treasure trove for Japanese intelligence in the territory controlled by the enemy, agree to recruit an ordinary Texas guy is more difficult. The same logic was present in the Soviet leadership. Pay attention, for example, to the operations of Scorzenia and the Abwehr in 44, the Germans, like others, made a big calculation on the locals. In addition, the emphasis was on family ties: we went to the rear of the former policeman - his parents would not give him up to the authorities, therefore he already had a base. Therefore, in the USSR, deportations were carried out among those peoples who massively collaborated with the Nazis. The question is different, the Americans could afford to resettle the Japanese "culturally", without casualties, ruined by the war of the USSR - vryatli.
  • Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 24 September 2015 13: 50 New
    +5
    "LONELY (1) Today, 12:44
    People, each responsible for his deed. If a person betrayed a country, he should be responsible for his sins before the law. There is no difference what kind of criminal the nationality is. If even the traitors were many and they were from the same nationality, this does not give anyone the right to accuse the whole people of betrayal.
    Because of protecting your idol, you completely deny your conscience and the presumption of innocence. ”

    I answer dear.
    1. By presumption, rightly, only there practically everyone tarnished themselves by cooperation with the occupiers.
    2. The Tatars were not sent to camps or deported outside the country, they did not put all the men behind the thorns, depriving the family of breadwinners. They were sent to the internal regions of the USSR and not to the far north, but also populated by co-religionists, compensating for property. While these "prisoners" were driving to the rear, someone was dying at the front, killing fascism.
    Take an interest in what conditions at that time people were going to evacuate and generally the conditions for the train. transport.
    3. Soviet power in the Crimea was not enough only riots on a national basis on the return of the front-line soldiers. Just conclusions were drawn on the results of the Crimean War, Civil and World War II.
    4. About Stalin, an idol may be an idol, but it seems to me that this great sovereign neither needs my excuses nor your condemnation (from the standpoint of peacetime, and even after 70 years). It is said ... fish for them ...
    1. alone
      alone 24 September 2015 14: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Fotoceva62
      I answer dear.
      1. By presumption, rightly, only there practically everyone tarnished themselves by cooperation with the occupiers.
      2. The Tatars were not sent to camps or deported outside the country, they did not put all the men behind the thorns, depriving the family of breadwinners. They were sent to the internal regions of the USSR and not to the far north, but also populated by co-religionists, compensating for property. While these "prisoners" were driving to the rear, someone was dying at the front, killing fascism.
      Take an interest in what conditions at that time people were going to evacuate and generally the conditions for the train. transport.
      3. Soviet power in the Crimea was not enough only riots on a national basis on the return of the front-line soldiers. Just conclusions were drawn on the results of the Crimean War, Civil and World War II.
      4. About Stalin, an idol may be an idol, but it seems to me that this great sovereign neither needs my excuses nor your condemnation (from the standpoint of peacetime, and even after 70 years). It is said ... fish for them ...


      You know what surprises me. Not those who sympathize with Stalin always, in any political situation. I am surprised by those who first prayed at him as an icon, then they blackened him, cast him with feces, and now they begin to praise him again. Tomorrow these people will be again blacken it. They have such a way. This is called obsession. Adaptation.

      There are a certain number of people (unfortunately, there are more and more of them) who slam the one who sits in power, and after this leader is changed, they begin to write and say all kinds of nasty things about him, while clapping at the new one.

      P.S. Stalin is a historical person. Each person has mistakes and miscalculations. Only GOD is unmistakable. I consider deporting everyone to be a mistake. But maybe he understood this, but the realities of that time forced him to do it. He is in a different world, so he don’t us to judge him.
      1. By presumption, rightly, only there practically everyone tarnished themselves by cooperation with the occupiers.


      But what about the women, the babies, the families of those who fought in the Red Army? These were also German servants?
  • sledge
    sledge 24 September 2015 13: 53 New
    +1
    Each ruler rewrites history for himself.
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 24 September 2015 13: 56 New
    -7
    With all my heart I wish everyone who justifies the mass repression and deportation of entire nations to experience this in their own skin! Maybe then the shit in your souls will decrease!
    1. alone
      alone 24 September 2015 14: 14 New
      -9
      Quote: Bayonet
      With all my heart I wish everyone who justifies the mass repression and deportation of entire nations to experience this in their own skin! Maybe then the shit in your souls will decrease!


      hi good
    2. saber
      saber 24 September 2015 14: 34 New
      +5
      As my grandfather said, "Yes, work and live normally, no one will repress you"
    3. screw cutter
      screw cutter 24 September 2015 15: 17 New
      0
      There was a dashing time and who didn’t take part and when it wasn’t when. Therefore, they took it together and sent it to hell, didn’t shoot it, didn’t plant it and didn’t even cut the forest, but simply out of harm's way, so that our neighbors wouldn’t make a lynching.
      There is no smoke without fire. Forest chopped wood chips fly ...
      And what do you mean by “mass repression?” I don’t believe that they took the whole street out of their houses, loaded it and sent it, for sure there were first interviews with the locals, otherwise there would be empty cities and villages.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 24 September 2015 19: 14 New
        -2
        Quote: screw cutter
        I don’t believe that they took and drove the whole street out of the houses, loaded it and sent it, there must have been local polls first, otherwise there would have been empty cities and towns.

        As a result of the war, occupation and deportation, the population of Crimea has tripled. In October 1944, there were 379 inhabitants in Crimea, compared to 000 in 1. Some areas (mountains and the southern coast of Crimea, previously inhabited mainly by the Crimean Tatars) remained almost without population. According to the responsible organizer of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks in the Crimean region in the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, “after the Tatars were evicted, in some areas, especially the southern ones, there was almost no population. In Kuybyshevsky district, the total population of 126 people remained, Alushta - 426, Sudak - 1939, Balaklava - 672. The situation is similar with the population in Karasubazar, Bakhchisarai, Yalta districts. " Despite an active campaign to populate Crimea with immigrants from Russia and Ukraine, the economy of the peninsula was only able to recover by the 2637s.
        On June 2, 1944, I.V. Stalin signed GKO Decree No. 5984.
        “... in addition to eviction under the decree of GKO No. 5859ss of May 11, 1944, Crimean Tatars evicted 37 thousand people from the territory of the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. German accomplices from among the Bulgarians, Greeks, and Armenians, "whom" should be sent for resettlement in agriculture, in subsidiary farms, and at industrial enterprises of the following regions and republics: Guryev obl. Kazakh SSR - 7000 people, Sverdlovsk region - 10 people, Molotov region - 000 people, Kemerovo region - 10 people, the Bashkir Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic - 000 people. "
        The operation to evict the Bulgarians, Greeks, Armenians, was carried out on the same day, June 27, 1944.
        1. MrK
          MrK 26 September 2015 20: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: Bayonet
          As a result of war, occupation and deportation, the population of Crimea decreased by three times. In October of the 1944 of the year in Crimea, there were 379 000 residents against the 1 126 426 in the 1939 year.


          Again, damn it, Stalin is to blame.
          Dear Bayonet. The Tatar population in Crimea was 23%. Russians - 43%.
          From the Crimea were evicted: Tatars - 151 720, Bulgarians - 12 075, Greeks - 14 300, Armenians - 9 919 people.
          http://maxpark.com/community/13/content/3484823
          http://www.yaplakal.com/forum3/topic774903.html
          So maybe the population has decreased, because the Russians were stolen to Germany and killed by the Tatar national committees.
          These liberals feel sorry for everyone: extinct mammoths, defeated Swedes, Poles, Germans, Japanese (what the hell they climbed for us).
          And about the cut out Russian families, not a single fall ... la didn’t even ached.
    4. MrK
      MrK 26 September 2015 20: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Bayonet
      Maybe then the shit in your souls will decrease!


      Well, why, dear Bayonet, to show your dermets to others.
      Yes. In addition to the Tatars, Bulgarians, Greeks, Armenians and persons of foreign citizenship were evicted from Crimea. The need for this step was justified by the following document:

      I.V. Stalin
      29 May 1944 city
      After the eviction of the Crimean Tatars in Crimea, work continues on the identification and seizure by the bodies of the NKVD of the USSR of an anti-Soviet element, weasel, etc. On the territory of Crimea, the Bulgarians currently living - 12075, Greeks - 14300, Armenians - 9919 people ...

      During the German occupation, a significant part of the Bulgarian population took an active part in the activities carried out by the Germans to procure bread and food for the German army, assisted the German military authorities in identifying and detaining soldiers of the Red Army and Soviet partisans, and received "security certificates" from the German command.

      The Germans organized police detachments from the Bulgarians, and also recruited the Bulgarian population for sending them to work in Germany.

      Greek population lives in most areas of Crimea. A significant part of the Greeks, especially in the coastal cities, with the advent of the invaders engaged in trade and small industry, voluntarily supplying the Nazis, products, goods and other property. German authorities assisted the Greeks in trade, transportation of goods, etc.

      Armenian population resides in most areas of Crimea. There are no large settlements with the Armenian population.
      Organized by the Germans, the Armenian Committee actively collaborated with the Germans and carried out great anti-Soviet work.

      In the mountains. In Simferopol, there was a German intelligence organization "Dromedar", headed by the former Dashnak general Dro, who led intelligence work against the Red Army and for this purpose created several Armenian committees for espionage and subversive work in the rear of the Red Army and to help organize the Armenian volunteer legions.

      Armenian national committees, with the active participation of emigrants from Berlin and Istanbul, carried out work to promote "independent Armenia".

      There were so-called "Armenian religious communities", which, in addition to religious and political issues, were engaged in organizing trade and small industry among Armenians. These organizations provided assistance to the Germans, especially "by raising funds" for the military needs of Germany.

      The so-called "Armenian Legion" was formed by Armenian organizations, which was supported by the funds of the Armenian communities.

      The NKVD considers it appropriate to carry out the eviction from the territory of Crimea of ​​all Bulgarians, Greeks, and Armenians.

      L. Beria

      There are none, all traitors, with a bayonet, are white and fluffy. And only Soviet power is bad
      1. Fight cat
        Fight cat 27 September 2015 11: 57 New
        -1
        Quote: mrark
        Quote: Bayonet
        Maybe then the shit in your souls will decrease!




        The NKVD considers it appropriate to carry out the eviction from the territory of Crimea of ​​all Bulgarians, Greeks, and Armenians.

        L. Beria

        There are none, all traitors, with a bayonet, are white and fluffy. And only Soviet power is bad

        and you are not confused by the fact that, for example, the mother of the Soviet pilot ace was tried to deport? Ahmet Khan of the Sultan !!! No does not bother? we still believe in the communist system and are ready to step into the abyss in unison !!! negative
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 27 September 2015 18: 40 New
          0
          Relatives of Akhmet-Khan of the Sultan bloodyly noted in the police and participated in the * Netatar * massacre. By the way, the house also had a lot of loot. And only because of the heroic son they were not touched.
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  • serzh savchenko
    serzh savchenko 24 September 2015 14: 04 New
    -1
    The problem with this article is that the author makes an attempt, from the position of formal logic, to prove the expediency of deporting entire nations or ethnic groups during the war. This problem has long been not only politicized, but also zadeologized. And this means that any tragic facts of history will be used in the information war. When the Nazis began military operations against the Soviet Union, all citizens of German descent were deported from the European territory of the USSR. International law recognizes such a decision by Stalin as legitimate. The deportation of the Caucasian peoples and Crimean Tatars by decision of the Geneva Convention, which the Soviet Union also signed, is considered a war crime against humanity. Therefore, I would not be surprised if the Crimean Tatars sued Russia for compensation to the heirs of victims of repressive deportations.
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 24 September 2015 14: 55 New
      +2
      ... Therefore, I would not be surprised if the Crimean Tatars sued Russia for compensation to the heirs of victims of repressive deportations ....

      .... It is unlikely that they will receive .... Once again - especially for you .... The legal term "deportation" is interpreted as expulsion (eviction) from the COUNTRY .... And within the country it is just resettlement ....
      1. serzh savchenko
        serzh savchenko 24 September 2015 17: 34 New
        -1
        Deportation (lat. Deportatio - expulsion, expulsion) or expulsion - forced expulsion of a person or a whole category of persons to another state or other locality, usually under guard.
    2. asher
      asher 24 September 2015 15: 36 New
      0
      In addition to benefits and expediency, Russians have a concept - Justice. Crimean Tatars justly had to go to the construction of the Baikal-Amur Mainline, and went to the heat of the fertile lands of Ferghana. How to sue - so get a fair decision - it's time for us to Siberia.
  • Leeder
    Leeder 24 September 2015 14: 57 New
    -4
    Crimean Tatars ?, - let’s say there was a need. Kalmyks, Chechens, yes, they had groups of traitors.
    And what logic can describe the deportation of Koreans from the Far East in the year 37? The motive for a possible transition to the side of the Japanese in the event of a military conflict does not hold water, because the Koreans hated the Japanese, which is still happening in both Koreas.
    Moreover, this was the first precedent for deportation to the USSR on a national basis. Given that in the Far East many of their Koreans were Communists, and the rest were pro-Soviet, the fact of deportation looks very strange.
    1. serzh savchenko
      serzh savchenko 24 September 2015 17: 37 New
      -1
      they looked like japanese
  • Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 24 September 2015 15: 57 New
    +7
    "Lonely"
    You apparently read my answer poorly. I will repeat. In Sevastopol and Crimea, there are many people who remember the art of these victims.
    Nobody deported them, do not act with them very gently. Take an interest in the fate of Ukrainians of Austro-Hungarian citizens in Canada, the first world war and the fate of the citizens of the axis countries in England in the second world war.
    We don’t need to impose a sense of guilt on Nazi accomplices. If the tyrant was so terrible, then where did so many ideological Judas come out who served the Reich and then sat in camps (not pioneer ones).
    About Stalin. You see, history and human memory are all in their places and arranged.
  • chastnik64
    chastnik64 24 September 2015 16: 23 New
    +1
    It is wrong to judge the actions of the authorities in wartime by the standards of peacetime.
    What could be more valuable than human life is the answer: TWO, THREE - ANY NUMBER OF HUMAN LIVES, WHICH MORE THAN ONE. So you can begin to judge the commander who left (of course, not volunteers, but by order) the platoon to stand to death and cover up the withdrawal of the battalion.
    Further. In wartime, in order to prevent much larger losses, when there was neither the time nor the opportunity to find 100% of the guilty, it was allowed to punish even the innocent, I repeat - if, by punishing a hundred, you save a thousand. Of course, it will be very disappointing to be in this hundred, all the more innocent. But from this, this military arithmetic will not become less justified, and therefore criminal.
    And more.
    It is necessary to distinguish: disorder (when the rules are clear, and compliance with these rules guarantees you from punishment) and disorganization (when it is not clear what and how to observe, and you are afraid much more). Everyone will probably remember how uncomfortable and even scary to drive behind the wheel the first days, having forgotten all the signs and markings. And if - the traffic controller - that's all !!!
    Liberals and other not-so-smart citizens are just trying to present Stalin’s times as disorganization, giving out separate, but still numerous cases of mistakes, excesses, criminal negligence of performers as a general approach of the authorities to everyone.
    Ordinary people are far from always clear about all the actions of the authorities.
    If you do not understand something, then maybe you do not know everything, "catch up" or think within your family, apartment, coming up with a simple and obvious solution to everyone.
    If everyone understood the moves of the great grandmaster to the end, he would not be great.
    So do not be discouraged, now, it seems, just this moment.
  • Propovednik
    Propovednik 24 September 2015 16: 27 New
    -4
    Article is complete nonsense, cheap propaganda false! tell me the author why no where except the Beria leaflets there is no information about the mass betrayals and desertions of the Chechen-Ingush and Tartars, but there are other peoples ?!

    I’m citing one article if they will allow me. In the mentioned article about the reasons for the eviction, I also pointed out that among the population of the then Chechen-Ingush Republic, betrayal did not take place from the side of the Chechens, but from the side of the Cossacks of Terek villages. And now, two years later, it became possible to bring clear evidence to the words of General Kogan. We owe this to Vadim Makhno, who compiled on the basis of officially published data a guide entitled “A complete list of associations and compounds of the 3rd Reich from Soviet citizens and emigrants, as well as from residents of the Baltic states, Western Belarus and Ukraine (2nd edition corrected and supplemented. Sevastopol. 2009).


    According to the assistant professor of the National University “Kiev - Mohyla Academy”, candidate of philosophical sciences Igor Losev, “Vadim Makhno carefully and extremely conscientiously summarized and brought together numerous fragmentary data“ scattered ”in many Russian and European publications, traced almost all stages of formation , reformation and disbandment of various formations and units with personnel from among citizens of the USSR and emigrants from the former Russian Empire, as well as participants in the White movement. The compiler of the directory presented objective statistical material regarding the ethnic component of the studied formations. ”


    Looking ahead, I note that among the ethnic groups named by V. Makhno, whose representatives are caught in large-scale transitions to the enemy’s side, there are Russians, including Cossacks, as well as Ukrainians, Belarusians, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians. There are data on Jews, Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Tatars, Bashkirs, Kalmyks, Crimean Tatars, Kabardians, Balkars, Ossetians, Lezgins. However, the Chechens, declared by the Soviet government the most traitorous ethnic group, are not mentioned in the directory even once. And only because, unlike the Pykhalovs [1], V. Makhno did not use the Beria’s fakes, which were used to fill the FSB archives, but the objective materials of conscientious researchers as his primary sources.
  • Propovednik
    Propovednik 24 September 2015 16: 29 New
    -3
    -According to him, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Soviet citizens served in various armed and paramilitary formations and institutions of the 3rd Reich. This is despite the fact that in the First World War only a few thousand out of 4 million prisoners of war of the Russian Imperial Army crossed over to the side of the enemy. And in the years of World War II, out of 2 prisoners of war of the Anglo-Saxons (British, Americans, Canadians, New Zealanders), only 232000 people went to serve the Germans, (300 Volksdeutsche, 250 Irish and 35 Anglo-Saxons).


    In 1944, after the expulsion of the Germans from Crimea and the deportation of the Crimean Tatars, in the Crimea 2882 people of 25 nationalities were convicted of collaborationism. The vast majority were Russians, Ukrainians and Gypsies. Accordingly, 1917, 340 and 311 people. Among the rest were Koreans - 30, Germans - 27, Turks - 25, Turkmen - 20, Jews - 17, Belarusians - 12, Kalmyks - 20, Czechs - 9, Moldavians - 7, Lezgin - 5, Austrians - 3, Latvians - 3 , Estonians - 3, Albanians - 2, Kabardins - 2, Bashkirs - 2, Hungarians - 2, Romanians - 2, Azerbaijani -1, Frenchman -1.


    In total, during the war about 3 generals served in various institutions of the 300rd Reich. Of these, 200 were Russian. Twenty Soviet citizens became Russian fascist generals. Among the rest were 13 Soviet generals and brigade commanders, 3 lieutenant generals (Vlasov A.A., Trukhin F.N., Malyshkin V.F.); 1 divisional commissioner (Zhilenkov G.N.); 6 major generals (Zakutny D.E., Blagoveshchensky I.A., Bogdanov P.V., Budykhto A.E., Naumov A.Z., Salikhov B.B.); 3 brigade commander (Bessonov I.G., Bogdanov M.V.; Sevostyanov A.I.).


    Note that the defector, commander of the Black Sea Coast Defense Corps, Colonel of the Red Army M. Shapovalov, who surrendered in 1942 near Armavir, was already captured as a Major General of the Red Army and the Germans recognized the title. Subsequently, he commanded the 700th division of the Wehrmacht (she is also the 3rd division of the ROA VS CONR). Among the immigrants from the Caucasus, Major General Kananyan "Dro", Major General Maglakelidze, Major General Ossetian BF Bicherakhov PF, Major General Circass Ulagai appeared.


    Already in the first months of the war, in the fall of 1941, 505000 people were released from captivity in connection with the transition to German service, about 330000 of them were Slavs: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and “Cossacks”. Of these, 175000 went on to serve in the Ostlegions.
    1. Propovednik
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      -One of the Caucasian peoples in terms of betrayal distinguished Cossacks, who in the 3rd Reich were considered Russified descendants of the Ostrogoths - Aryans. They served in the Cossack units of the Wehrmacht.


      Since March 1943, the Russian Cossacks had their own “government” under the name of the Main Directorate of Cossack Troops (GUKV) under the Eastern Ministry. It relied on local chieftains in the Cossack regions and ensured the formation of combat-ready units of the police, the Wehrmacht and Abwehr. On March 30, 1944, after the eviction of Chechens, Ingush and Balkars, the GUKV was transferred from the Eastern Ministry to the Main Directorate of the SS (FA-SS). The permanent leader of the GUKV was the cavalry general (lieutenant general of the Wehrmacht) Krasnov, the ideologist of the independent "Cossack".


      Within 28 days, from 02 to 29 August 1944, the GUKV had the status of the “Government of the Cossacks” - a union state of Germany. At the beginning of 1945, the Cossacks were annexed to the Congress of the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (the Government of Russia, a union of Germany, also known as the "Sonder Team" B "of the Main Directorate of the SS, uniting Russians and Kalmyks in the service of the 3rd Reich).


      In contrast to popular belief, the Germans did not engage in the extermination of Jews and Gypsies. We have already noted that after the expulsion of the Germans from Crimea, 311 Gypsies were convicted of treason. Note that these are gypsies who survived during the German occupation. As for the Jews, in most of the settlements of their compact residence, Jewish committees were formed, which were self-government in the ghetto. In Ukraine, 442 Jewish ghettos with 442 Jewish committees were created; in Russia, a Jewish committee was created only in Rostov-on-Don.


      According to V. Makhno, along with the Jewish committees in the ghetto, a Jewish auxiliary law enforcement service (Jewish auxiliary police) was created, which was subordinate to the "SS undopolitsayfyureram" - the local leaders of the SS and the police. The largest of them were Lviv Jewish police units - 750 people.


      The head of the Dubrovitsky city Ukrainian auxiliary police of the Rivne region K. Kovalenko, an active participant in the "solution" of the Jewish problem in the Rivne region, was executed in 1950 under his real name Chaim Segal. Odesa Kartsev, who organized a gang of 60-member collaborators, was executed in 1947 under the real name Gershman. Russian senior policeman Ivanov, an active Jewish liquidator in Smolensk, was executed under his real name Fridman.


      There were so many military units of the Wehrmacht, formed from among Soviet citizen-traitors, that there wasn’t enough newspaper strip to list them, so we will limit ourselves to mentioning some:


      Armed forces of the Congress of the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (KONR) - 1 army, 4 corps, 8 divisions, 8 brigades;


      Russian Liberation Army of the Congress of the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia - (3 divisions, 2 brigades).


      Wehrmacht Russian Liberation Army - 12 security corps, 13 divisions, 30 brigades.


      Russian Liberation People's Army - 5 regiments, 18 battalions.


      Russian National People's Army - 3 regiments, 12 battalions.


      Russian National Army - 2 regiments, 12 battalions.


      Ukrainske Vyzvolne Vysko Wehrmacht - 1 regiment, 27 battalions.


      Ukrainian National Army - 1 division, 3 brigades, 9 regiments.


      Cossack reserve of the Main Directorate of the SS - 1 brigade, 3 regiments, 10 battalions.


      The Estonian Legion of the Main Directorate of the SS - 1 regiment, 3 battalions.


      Latvian Legion of the Main Directorate of the SS - 2 regiments, 7
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 25 September 2015 10: 25 New
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        In contrast to popular belief, the Germans did not engage in the total extermination of Jews and Gypsies

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        The Jewish Committee was created only in Rostov-on-Don.

        Rostov-on-Don. In August 1942, about 27 thousand people, mainly Jews, were executed and otherwise killed by German occupiers. This is the site of the largest mass extermination of Jews in Russia during the Holocaust (see also Babi Yar). Currently, a memorial complex is located in Zmievskaya beam.
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  • Propovednik
    Propovednik 24 September 2015 16: 35 New
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    battalions.


    The Cossack security corps of the Main Directorate of the SS in Italy - 2 divisions, 4 brigades, 9 regiments, 30 battalions.


    1st Cavalry Cossack Main Operations Directorate SS (FHA-SS) - 2 brigades, 8 regiments.


    1st Don Cavalry Cossack 15th Corps FHA SS - 5 regiments.


    2nd Caucasian Cavalry Cossack 15th Corps FHA-SS - 5 regiments.


    3rd Plastun Cossack 15th SS Corps FHA-SS - 4 regiments.


    14th Ukrainian FHA-SS - 7 regiments.


    15th Latvian FHA-SS - 5 regiments.


    19th Latvian FHA-SS - 5 regiments.


    20th Estonian FHA-SS - 5 regiments.


    29th Russian FHA-SS - 6 regiments.


    30th Russian FHA-SS, 1st formation 1944 , - 5 regiments.


    The Russian security corps of the Wehrmacht in Serbia - 1 brigade, 5 regiments.


    Cossack security (Russian) Wehrmacht corps in Ukraine - 15 regiments.


    Lithuanian self-defense corps - 14 battalions.


    BSA Belarusian Self-Defense Corps - 7 districts, 21 battalions.


    Belarusian regional defense "BKA" - 7 groups, 45 battalions.


    Estonian self-defense - 4 regiments, 30 battalions.


    The Kalmyk cavalry (guard) corps of the Wehrmacht - 4 divisions.


    Wehrmacht Caucasian Security Corps - 5 divisions.


    Crimean Tatar (Turkic) security corps - 10 battalions.


    The Russian “People’s Guard” of the General Commissariat “Moscow” (the Rear Area of ​​Army Group “Center”) - 13 battalions, 1 cavalry division.


    The Belarusian units of the ODI of the Smolensk District of the Rear Region of Army Group Center - 10 battalions.


    The Armenian Legion of the Wehrmacht - 1 brigade, 2 regiments.


    Wehrmacht Azerbaijani Legion - 5 regiments.


    Georgian legion of the Wehrmacht - 3 regiments.


    The North Caucasus Legion of the Wehrmacht - 1 brigade, 2 regiments.


    Turkestan Legion of the Wehrmacht - 1 brigade, 9 regiments.


    Volzhsko-Tatar legion of the Wehrmacht - 1 regiment.


    Russian Legion "White Cross" of the Wehrmacht - 4 battalions.


    "Special Division" Russia "" General Smyslovsky (Abwehr) - 1 regiment, 12 battalions.


    The team "Graukopf" - "RNNA" of General Ivanov (Abwehr) - 1 regiment, 5 battalions.


    Caucasian unit (brigade) "Bergman-Highlander" (Abver) - 3 battalions.


    The Kalmyk compound (brigade) of the "Dollar" (Abwehr) - 4 divisions.


    Latvian Reconnaissance and sabotage formation of Kurejls (Abwehr).


    The 12th Reserve Corps of the Wehrmacht was stationed in the Reisskomissariat "Ukraine", which has various units of the eastern troops in various periods, such as:


    - Cossack (Russian) security corps of 15 regiments;


    - 162nd Training Division of the Ostlegions of 6 regiments;


    - 740th Cossack (Russian) reserve brigade of 6 battalions;


    - Cossack (Russian) Ataman group of 4 regiments;


    - Cossack group of Colonel von Panwitz of 6 regiments;


    - Consolidated Cossack (Russian) field police division "Von Schulenburg";


    - Cossack plastunsky (Russian) field police brigade Colonel Duhopelnikov of 6 battalions;


    - The 153rd training field division of the Wehrmacht from 3 regiments and 15 battalions of the Ostlegion;
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    Propovednik 24 September 2015 16: 36 New
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    - Kalmyk cavalry guard corps of 4 divisions;


    - 531st Cossack security building of the Wehrmacht.


    Residents of the Caucasus, Central Asian and Volga peoples served in the Ostlegions of the Wehrmacht: Armenian, Azerbaijani, Georgian, North Caucasian, Turkestan and Volga-Ural, as well as in the Kalmyk corps in units no larger than a regiment, brigade or security corps, with headquarters starting with battalion were German. The units were commanded by the Germans. One of the Armenian battalions was commanded by Major Wehrmacht Kolchak Jr.


    The ethnic composition of national collaboration groups has never been homogeneous. National names meant, at best, predominantly ethnic composition. And sometimes - just the subordination of the national command or territorial authority. So, in the 1st Russian National Brigade SS "Druzhina" there were 80% of Russians and up to 20% of Belarusians and Ukrainians. In the regiment of the ROA of the Wehrmacht "Center" was 74% of Russians, 15% of Ukrainians, 8% of Germans. The regiment began to form as Ukrainian, in its 1st battalion there were 2 Ukrainian companies and 3 Russian.


    The 643rd battalion of the ROA of the Wehrmacht, surrendered to the allies, was formed from the Ukrainians. Cossack units consisted of 60-80% of Cossacks (Russians who considered themselves Cossacks: Don and Kuban).


    Most of the officers in the Crimean Tatar battalions were Russians and Ukrainians.


    The anti-Soviet struggle of the remnants of military units that served the Nazis did not stop immediately after the war. In the territories of Western Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, and Czechoslovakia, Bandera "partisan", comprising 3000 Russian Cossacks, 3000 former ranks of the Turkestan Legion, and up to 1000 people from the Caucasian units of the Wehrmacht and the police.


    In Central Asia, up to 100000 Turkestan rebels by Usman Batur acted against the USSR and China. After the execution of Usman Batur 28.04.1951/XNUMX/XNUMX in the Chinese city of Urumqi, the uprising was crushed.


    In the Oryol, Bryansk and Kursk Regions of the RSFSR, until the beginning of 1951, the remains of the ROA, RON, RNNA and parts of the Russian People’s Guard and the police operated under the name "Green Army of Rozdymakhi".
  • Propovednik
    Propovednik 24 September 2015 16: 37 New
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    - In Belarus, anti-Soviet units operated until 1956. Meanwhile, the “main traitors” of the Great Patriotic War, the Chechens, who did not even have a chance to see the Germans on their territory, were serving a sentence for the mass betrayal they did not commit. Many in Russia do not know that Chechnya was not even occupied by the Germans, therefore myths about the allegedly donated to Hitler, white horse, white cloak, etc. are still circulating. It is known only about a small German landing party thrown into the mountains of Chechnya - about 70 Germans, as well as Dagestanis and Chechens, under the command of the Avar Osman Gube, but they were destroyed thanks to the locals. All other Germans had to retreat from the borders of Chechen-Ingushetia.


    According to the head of the archival department under the Chechen government, historian Magomed Muzayev, “there were almost no Chechens in the national legions of the Wehrmacht. Most of all were Transcaucasian legions - Georgian and Armenian, then came Dagestan, Ossetian. But there was not a single complete Chechen or Ingush unit ... Only in the Caucasian Legion was there either a company or a platoon consisting of Chechens and Ingush. ”


    At the same time, according to the same Muzayev, the number of Chechens who spoke in Chechnya with arms in their hands against the Soviet power was several hundred. The Chekists had internal documentation (“for official use”), according to which the number of anti-advisers was estimated at 330 people. Since such indicators for the deportation of an entire nation were clearly not enough, the NKVD increased the number of "bandits" on paper to 7 thousand, and in 1943 they began to remove front-line soldiers from the front and send them home to eliminate this imbalance [2].
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    Propovednik 24 September 2015 16: 39 New
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    -It should also be noted that according to the information of Yu.M. Zakharchenko [3], had nothing to do with the fighting of the warring armies during the Second World War and the assistance to the German command of the rebels, including Hasan Israilov, who is considered the leader of the rebel movement in Chechen-Ingushetia. He, on the instructions of the NKVD, helped German researchers from the Anenerbe organization search for caves with the values ​​of "Aaron" on the territory of Chechnya. His activities were closely monitored by the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs Raev and the first secretary of the regional committee of the CPSU (b) Egorov, with whom Israilov reported on the results of his work. Having found the cave, Hassan destroyed the Germans, hid the valuables, but was arrested by the NKVD. After a while, he was released with the hope that he would talk out in his circle about the whereabouts of the valuables. But Hassan disappeared, as he was hunted by German agents, who arrived in the Caucasus to investigate the disappearance of Anenerbe employees. To avoid the risk of being caught, Hassan decided to leave the active zone and follow in the footsteps of Aaron to Shambhala. According to Zakharchenko, “during the preparation for the campaign, NKVD officers came and were killed in a shootout. Hassan and his associates hiding from the prosecution of the Chekists went into the mountains. An attempt by the NKVD detachment to once again ambush and capture Israilov’s group ended in failure. Israilov and his people almost completely destroyed the punitive squad. The rumor about the battle scattered across Chechnya. Citizens dissatisfied with the actions of the Soviet government began to adjoin his group ... By the winter of 1940, the action of disobedience grew into regular clashes of the NKVD troops and Israilov’s detachment. There was a war. Israilov, knowing about the Germans' contacts with the NKVD, wrote about this to Stalin, accusing him of double-dealing. Beria intercepted these letters. The facts of cooperation between the NKVD and the SS were known to many associates of Israilov. In the end, this served as an occasion for Beria to organize the deportation in 1944 of the population of Chechnya, which provided support to Hassan and his associates. The deportation closed the facts of cooperation between the NKVD and the SS, which were negative for the Politburo, an organization that became known in the world as a punitive body associated with the death camps ... ”
  • Propovednik
    Propovednik 24 September 2015 16: 40 New
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    - Reliable facts about the behavior of Chechens in the Great Patriotic War were presented by Alexander Tarasov in a message to his editor, Anton Baumgarten [4]. The author offers an excerpt from the reader:

    “In the Stalinist press, which naturally justifies the deportation of Chechens, there are also a lot of fabrications about Chechnya during the years of World War II. The Chechens, they say, avoided mobilization to the front, the masses voluntarily surrendered to the Nazis, polls collaborated with the occupation authorities and even gave Hitler a white stallion.

    Meanwhile, 40 thousand Chechens fought at the front - and there weren’t and couldn’t be any "mass transitions" to Hitler: violation of the military oath contradicted the traditional ideas of Chechens about male behavior (even in Afghanistan, where Chechens were forced to fight with co-religionists, there was no case that a Chechen - a serviceman of the Soviet Army went over to the side of the enemy). 10 thousand Chechens went into the people's militia. Twice in 1942 and again in May 1943, a voluntary draft in the Red Army was announced in Chechnya - and each draft gave 2 thousand soldiers. 50 thousand people (mainly Chechens) worked to create the defense lines of Grozny. Chechens gave the country 50 Heroes of the Soviet Union.

    Moreover, it’s enough just to look at the maps of the Great Patriotic War to establish that the Chechens could not cooperate with any fascist occupiers, because ... the territory of Chechnya was never occupied by the fascists (the Nazis were able to capture only a small part of Ingushetia - the Malgobekovsky district)!

    The exact same fabrication of Stalinist propaganda, surprisingly tenacious and replicated many times after the death of Stalin (the last time was by N. Gorbachev in a novel published in the journal Moscow in 1989), is the legend of a white horse allegedly donated by the Chechens to Hitler . Since Chechnya, I repeat, was not occupied by the Nazis, the Chechens simply physically could not present anything to the invaders. In fact, the white horse nicknamed Shouloh was going to present to Hitler Yakub Beshtoyev, appointed by the occupiers as the “supreme ruler of Kabarda”. However, it is not known whether Hitler received this gift - according to some reports, the local underground horse poisoned. By the way, it was precisely Kabardinians that Stalin did not deport!
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      Sergey Medvedev 25 September 2015 10: 10 New
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      Meanwhile, 40 thousand Chechens fought on the front


      Hahahahaha. In 1942, Chechens were deported. There were 50 people. Everyone, including the elderly, women and children. The number of men of combat age is approximately 000-10. Where does 000 come from at the front?
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        Propovednik 25 September 2015 12: 08 New
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        Quote: Sergei Medvedev
        Hahahahaha.


        I see bird droppings in your place of brains!))
  • Propovednik
    Propovednik 24 September 2015 16: 41 New
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    -Therefore, the deportation of the Chechens obviously had nothing to do with the war, but was a mass punishment for an anti-Stalin uprising. And this deportation was not carried out at all with the aim of liquidating the partisan movement in the mountainous Chechnya - by that time the uprising had been crushed, and even according to the official data of the NKVD, no more than 335 abreks remained in the mountains (“political bandits”, according to official terminology). I want to specifically indicate that the deportation was accompanied by judicial executions of those who tried to hide or refused to resettle, as well as those who themselves could not go - the elderly and the sick (moreover, they were not only shot, but drowned). By the end of February 1944, when it had snowed on the passes, which prevented the deportation of deportees from several regions of mountain Chechnya, several hundred people (according to different ruins of the village of Khaibakhistochnik, from 300 to 450), residents of the village of Khaibakh and the surrounding farms were driven into the stable farm them. L.P. Beria in Khaibah and burned alive. How is this different from Khatyn, Lidice and Oradour? And it’s hard to imagine that the Chechens have forgotten Khaibah. But the massacre in Khaibakh was never officially condemned, and no one ever apologized to the Chechens for this ... ”

    In 1944, the entire Chechen people, which could not be convicted of treason, were deported from their historic homeland on far-fetched charges. The paradox is that the representatives of this people, whom the unit commanders managed to leave in the army, continued to valiantly fight for the state that had betrayed them. But such is the nature of the Chechen. He cannot act stealthily, he cannot betray the community in which he lives. Therefore, the Chechen Movladi Visaitov will be the first Soviet warrior to shake hands with an ally when meeting on the Elbe
  • Propovednik
    Propovednik 24 September 2015 16: 42 New
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    -During the deportation period, some Chechens managed to stay at the front because of their high military rank, as in the case of Movlid Visaitov, who did not even begin to hide his nationality. Others were covered by their commanders, who highly appreciated the military prowess of the Chechens. Thus, in order not to be expelled, I had to change my nationality in the documents. For example, the full holder of the orders of Glory of Duda Engenoyev from Psedakh was written by Russians, Hero of the Soviet Union Hansultan Dachiev - by Ossetians, Khavazhi Magomed-Mirzoev - by Tajiks, and Irbaikhan Beybulatov - by Kumyks. Officially, the title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded to only a few dozen residents of Chechen-Ingushetia, of which only four were Chechens. Even Movlid Visaitov was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union only in 1990 - already posthumously, and the feat of Abdulhakim Ismailov was recognized only during the reign of B. Yeltsin. A huge number of representations for the title of Hero of the Soviet Union against Chechens were sent to the urns by Beria’s minions. Many deeds of Chechen warriors in World War II remained hidden to the general public. From time to time, articles about some heroes appear in the press [5], while the names of others are preserved in the memory of their commanders. One of these was the dean of the Polytechnic Institute of Krasnodar, who told the story given in the book by A. Kelimatov “Chechnya in the claws of the devil ...”:
    1. crumb
      crumb 25 September 2015 07: 04 New
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      Thanks so much for the stuff! good
  • Propovednik
    Propovednik 24 September 2015 16: 59 New
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    There was no mass betrayal or desertion.
    This is all Beria’s falsity, Beria spent his dirty deeds deceiving Stalin.
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      Lenin 25 September 2015 01: 56 New
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      Yes, not a few traitors served in the Wehrmacht. I would not be surprised that many of them sat out and had a hand in the collapse of the USSR.
    2. Propovednik
      Propovednik 25 September 2015 12: 46 New
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      There was no mass betrayal or desertion.
      This is all Beria’s falsity, Beria spent his dirty deeds deceiving Stalin.

      Then in a hurry I wrote incorrectly, I will correct, there was no mass betrayal and desertion among the Chechen-Ingush!