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"Mistral" will go to Egypt

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France decided on a buyer for the Mistrali, originally built for Russia. This buyer will be Egypt, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the official communique of the Elysian Palace.




“The leaders of the two countries reached an agreement in principle regarding the conditions for the acquisition by Egypt of two Mistral helicopter carriers”,
says the communique.

Leaders of the countries Francois Hollande and Abdel Fattah al-Sisi discussed this question by telephone today.

As the La Tribune newspaper reported, citing its sources, “the high-level Egyptian delegation is currently in Paris and is negotiating the purchase of ships.” The names of the members of the delegation are not disclosed, it is only known that the negotiators received the mandate to discuss the transaction directly from the President of Egypt.

In addition to the helicopter carriers, the Egyptians intend to purchase a Govind-type 2 corvette.

According to the newspaper, bargaining is rather tight: “The Egyptians consider the price offered by the French (it is clear that no figures are called), too high and insist on a decrease. In turn, the seller, who is DCNS (Directorate for the construction of warships), has very limited room for maneuver due to the fact that the price issue is under the jurisdiction of the French Ministry of Economics, which by definition is far from doing business in a commercial manner. ”

According to the newspaper, last week the Egyptians nearly slammed the door, desperate to agree, but at the last moment the French managed to rectify the situation.

It is not yet clear whether the delegation of Russian specialists who have already arrived in French Saint-Nazar to dismantle equipment belonging to Russia from Mistral will receive new instructions. According to the agreement of the parties, “control systems, including missile weapons and artillery, combat information and control systems, helicopter landing control module, and communication systems. ”

Meanwhile, it became aware of the conclusion of a contract between the Russian Federation and Egypt for the supply of X-NUMX helicopters Ka-50. This was reported to the correspondent. TASS military diplomatic source.

According to him, "if the Egyptian side deems it necessary, the machines will be delivered in the Ka-52K ship version."
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  1. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 23 September 2015 17: 29 New
    +13
    Egypt, this is good, but then why dismantle the equipment?
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 23 September 2015 17: 31 New
      +69
      Quote: katalonec2014
      Egypt, this is good, but then why dismantle the equipment?

      Then to sell it to the Egyptians. lol
      1. katalonec2014
        katalonec2014 23 September 2015 17: 33 New
        +2
        Yes, but according to the press, these works will cost 50 million Baku ... not expensive?
        1. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 23 September 2015 17: 36 New
          +19
          Remove for 50, sell for 100 ... wink
          And where do the Egyptians go? request Not to sail on empty ships ... yes
          1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
            Uncle VasyaSayapin 23 September 2015 17: 41 New
            +16
            The main thing is that our people do not buy them from the Egyptians.
            1. crazyrom
              crazyrom 23 September 2015 19: 33 New
              +17
              Quote: katalonec2014
              why dismantle equipment

              Most likely there is a secret exclusive only for our army. For export (Egypt) can put that on easier.
              1. Darkmor
                Darkmor 24 September 2015 00: 57 New
                +11
                We received a billion compensation for them, and now we’ll still receive approximately $ 700 million for the sale of helicopters for these troughs :)
                + some more for armament on the Mistral, for missiles for helicopters
                ++ Something else after a few years for repairs or accessories for helicopters.
                +++ maybe something for the re-equipment of the Mistrals themselves.
                And this, apart from the drawings and technologies that allow us to build ships of this class.
                In my opinion, it simply could not be BETTER :)
            2. TsUS-Air Force
              TsUS-Air Force 23 September 2015 20: 30 New
              +6
              yes, a good feint with our ears will work if ours buy them from Egypt, and not because we need them, but just to the NATO people, contrary to the idea that you were against it and we all the same got our way
              1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                Uncle VasyaSayapin 23 September 2015 21: 06 New
                +1
                I’ll frostbit my mom’s ears. lol
              2. yehat
                yehat 23 September 2015 23: 31 New
                +2
                a really good feint will be if the Egyptians buy for half the cost
          2. Penetrator
            Penetrator 23 September 2015 17: 46 New
            +6
            Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
            Remove for 50, sell for 100 ... wink
            And where do the Egyptians go? request Not to sail on empty ships ... yes

            Moreover, Saudas pay for a banquet. For them, fifty cartoons of greens do not play a special role.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 23 September 2015 19: 07 New
              +22
              Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
              Remove for 50, sell for 100 ... wink


              In general, this epic with the Mistrals delighted me.
              I don’t know who paid whom and how much (I hope he ended his life in an accident), but ordering military equipment from the Enemies (NATO countries) is a clear disruption to Russia's defense.
              After signing the treaty, Russia had nowhere to go. Signed - you have to pay for these, what for we do not need, troughs.
              And so! France SAMA! Refused! And returned most of the money! Lost authority! Lost the money!
              Amazing combination!
              1. midashko
                midashko 23 September 2015 19: 18 New
                +6
                I think the Egyptians for paying for these ships below cost and France will sell them at a loss to themselves.
                1. Throw
                  Throw 23 September 2015 19: 26 New
                  0
                  "Misrali", as I understand it, go to the load to the Govnind corvettes laughing
                2. veksha50
                  veksha50 23 September 2015 20: 58 New
                  +4
                  Quote: midashko
                  I think the Egyptians for paying for these ships below cost and France will sell them at a loss



                  950 million euros - is it really at a loss ??? Yes, they paid us about that much ...
                  So the French were so lucky with these troughs ...
                  1. aleks 62 next
                    aleks 62 next 24 September 2015 10: 59 New
                    +1
                    .... 950 million euros - is it really at a loss ??? Yes, they paid us about that much ...
                    So the French were so lucky with these troughs ...

                    .... You have not yet taken into account how much the French flew for a simple ready-made ships ... There was infa that a few lyamas a month .... And they stood for more than a year ...
              2. veksha50
                veksha50 23 September 2015 20: 56 New
                +5
                Quote: Shurik70
                Lost authority!



                I agree with you in everything, except for this phrase ... She lost authority only in the eyes of Russia, and for the rest this feint - on the drum ...

                The proof is the order of additional frigate corvettes by the same Egypt ...

                And with the Rafals - the devil himself can’t figure it out - the French bent one thing, the Indians another, but the Mistrals had nothing to do with it ... Everyone just wanted to get their own benefit ...
          3. uhu189
            uhu189 23 September 2015 19: 43 New
            +13
            Well, not two same landing helicopter carriers to fight! In the Red Sea, striking at the Yemenite Hussites? Or maybe they will storm Misuratu? Egypt is that a great island country, or in the Mediterranean with the Red Sea they have where to land? Especially since where did Egypt get such money, even 2 years ago they barely managed to scrape up money for social needs. Why such crazy, pointless spending with a fleet of 8 frigates and 2's corvettes and 4 old submarines? Every day the news comes one stranger to the other. Some kind of absurd comedy.
          4. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 23 September 2015 20: 24 New
            +1
            Egypt, why do the landing docks? Napoleon landed in Egypt, and the descendants of the pharaohs will probably conduct a reverse operation ... France has always had trouble with North Africa ...
            Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
            Remove for 50, sell for 100 ... wink
            And where do the Egyptians go? request Not to sail on empty ships ... yes
            1. dudinets
              dudinets 23 September 2015 20: 34 New
              +5
              and it will be cool if the Egyptians land in France. I mean, they will land a crowd of refugees there, covering them with helicopters.
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 23 September 2015 20: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: Dudinets
                and it will be cool if the Egyptians land in France. I mean, they will land a crowd of refugees there, covering them with helicopters



                They there without any cover landed with might and main ...
                France will soon turn into an African region ...
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 23 September 2015 18: 02 New
          +10
          Quote: katalonec2014
          Yes, but according to the press, these works will cost 50 million Baku ... not expensive?

          The declassification of our communications and management tools will cost billions of dollars, because will have to change a lot in Russia.
          1. matross
            matross 23 September 2015 18: 36 New
            +14
            Quote: Алексей_К
            The declassification of our communications and management tools will cost billions of dollars.

            Did not the paddlers have the opportunity to “declassify” them while the Mistrals were stuffed with them? The main secrets have not yet been put there ...
            1. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 23 September 2015 23: 02 New
              0
              Quote: matRoss
              Did not the paddlers have the opportunity to “declassify” them while the Mistrals were stuffed with them? The main secrets have not yet been put there ...

              No, they did not and do not have. Disassembling electronic equipment is not possible. You can take out the blocks, but nothing will be soldered, because for operation in a marine climate, all electronics are poured with resins or varnishes, when disassembled, everything will be disintegrated barbarously. Turn on also does not work, because if you did not leave the control block "friend or foe", nothing will work.
              1. Mister22408
                Mister22408 23 September 2015 23: 31 New
                -1
                Moonshine? Dysfunction? The ON button is pressed if it is not confused with a bolt ... bully
              2. Moore
                Moore 24 September 2015 05: 13 New
                +1
                Do you know how equipment with a neck is counted? How is it stored and transmitted?
                In your opinion, the secret equipment was handed over to the frogmen for re-storage, having previously granted them access to the secret work? Rave.
                All retrofitting was supposed to happen in Russia, where they would have installed the appropriate cipher organ equipment and other grooved products.
          2. vsoltan
            vsoltan 23 September 2015 19: 23 New
            +4
            I agree. Much needs to be changed ... our leadership is all eager to slip by, inertia, into the ball ... we must work ....
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 September 2015 20: 01 New
            +3
            Quote: Алексей_К
            The declassification of our communications and management tools will cost billions of dollars, because will have to change a lot in Russia.

            I think during the reign of Yeltsin and when Serdyukov was the Minister of Defense, our army and the military-industrial complex were quite stuffed with spies (I would take advantage of the enemy’s weakness in the place of the pendos). So in the West, most likely in the know about all our secrets.
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 23 September 2015 21: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              So in the West, most likely in the know about all our secrets.



              If they were aware of all our secrets, then such a barrel would not be rolled to Russia and not spiteful ...

              With a normally set privacy mode, it is not so easy to obtain information in a complex on any object ... In parts - yes, especially with the modern development of digital electronics ...
            2. Mister22408
              Mister22408 23 September 2015 23: 33 New
              +2
              They do not know the 6th dan file ownership.
          4. alexander 2
            alexander 2 23 September 2015 20: 42 New
            +3
            But as I understand it, there are no our means of communication and management. There are brackets, seats, current converters, etc. necessary for the operation of our equipment. This will be dismantled, by the way, at the expense of France. And after the purchase, you can install all this again, but for some money and in the export version.
        3. clidon
          clidon 23 September 2015 20: 46 New
          +1
          They will cost a couple of million dollars. There are not so large volumes.
        4. Corsair
          Corsair 24 September 2015 09: 54 New
          0
          Quote: katalonec2014
          Yes, but according to the press, these works will cost 50 million Baku ... not expensive?

          laughing ours will take off the equipment, Egypt will immediately get a discount from the French for 300 mln for empty barges, there are no more buyers and no queues, there will be nowhere for the frogmen to go.
          After ours they will put it back naturally, but the contract for 50 helicopters is already ours - a clean business, each will have its own gesheft.
        5. Vladimir 23rus
          Vladimir 23rus 28 September 2015 09: 49 New
          0
          this work will cost 50 million Baku
          Will cost but not us wink These funds (for dismantling equipment) are included in the penalty (that is, already paid by France) which they returned to us. The penalty is of course so-so, but apparently the loot has been changed to political bonuses. So life will show whether it was worth it or not.
      2. smershxnumx
        smershxnumx 23 September 2015 19: 45 New
        -1
        It is not for the Egyptians ...
    2. Krasmash
      Krasmash 23 September 2015 17: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: katalonec2014
      Egypt is good

      And what good?
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 23 September 2015 17: 42 New
        +17
        Stumble! The French returned the loot to us, and the Mistrals sell to Egypt, 2 hares almost shot themselves.
        1. maxxdesign
          maxxdesign 23 September 2015 17: 56 New
          +7
          these two hares not only didn’t shoot themselves, they also shit on the French, and successfully disappeared into the blue distance))))

          where is the benefit? how many millions spent on parking these bathtubs in the waste baths, how much they paid for the non-installation, how much they returned ... and will now be sold at the cost of scrap metal and not a whole ship .... and where is the benefit?
          plus reputation now at the waterline level of these mistrals
          1. Karabin
            Karabin 23 September 2015 20: 15 New
            +7
            Quote: maxxdesign
            how many millions spent on parking these bathtubs in the docks, how much they paid for the instability, how many were returned ...

            Well, how much? Do you have numbers? So maybe everything is not so fatal for the Frenchman? What kind of penalty are we talking about?
            Quote: maxxdesign
            plus reputation now at the waterline level of these mistrals

            And what is this expressed in? Mass rejection of the purchase of French weapons? There are no such examples. So they managed to attach the trough.
            1. Deniska
              Deniska 24 September 2015 09: 46 New
              0
              And what is this expressed in? Mass rejection of the purchase of French weapons? There are no such examples. So they managed to attach the trough.


              “Today, it can be said almost exactly that the response of the Ministry of Defense to the proposal of the French manufacturer, Dassault Aviation, will be no,” the representative of the negotiation committee quoted TASS as saying.
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 24 September 2015 09: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Karabin
              And what is this expressed in? Mass rejection of the purchase of French weapons? There are no such examples. So they managed to attach the trough.

              laughing But do you think that the Egyptians know the whole history of these troughs - will they buy at a high price? Now they will give themselves various nishtyaks and preferences from the paddles, and even at the expense of future orders, in the east they can bargain.
              1. clidon
                clidon 24 September 2015 15: 48 New
                0
                The Egyptians do not buy at their own expense, it is somehow not so important to them. Therefore, the cost will not be so low.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 September 2015 20: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: maxxdesign
            where is the benefit?

            For us the benefit.
          3. soldier:
            soldier: 24 September 2015 00: 56 New
            +1
            50 helicopters, each with three bucks, that's the catch.
        2. SibSlavRus
          SibSlavRus 23 September 2015 17: 57 New
          +14
          Yeah, if we take into account that under them our specials. helicopters made and found their buyer.
          And the Egyptians will turn to us in any way for help, both in servicing the helicopter fleet and training pilots.
          But our technology, communication and control systems - this is very serious. It was intended for us, we’ll take it for ourselves. Go know what there is "not a secret."
          1. sanja.grw
            sanja.grw 23 September 2015 18: 19 New
            +2
            So on them, not only for our KA-52K was done, so also add that they were built under our weather conditions. Somehow Egypt and Our Far East in different climatic categories
            1. Niki
              Niki 23 September 2015 19: 12 New
              +2
              Once, there was no mention anywhere that these ships were adapted to the climatic conditions of Vladivostok. And therefore there was a lot of criticism at the time, why build them, if these Mistrals have nowhere else to hang out, except for the shores of Africa.
              1. Mastercat
                Mastercat 23 September 2015 21: 27 New
                +1
                except for the canal under construction, no?
            2. veksha50
              veksha50 23 September 2015 21: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: sanja.grw
              Somehow Egypt and Our Far East in different climatic categories



              Hmm ... Remember how many disputes it was about the fact that the Mistral just under our weather conditions was not particularly sharpened, and there could be many problems with them ...

              Opinions change, like a weather vane - by the wind ...

              PS Do not forget, this is conditional on our fleet and the split system on a warship is a luxury ... And for them it is a normal occurrence ...
          2. donavi49
            donavi49 23 September 2015 18: 22 New
            +11
            Any helicopters go there. It’s just that the Tiger as a drummer is weak, and not very successful, but the Egyptians were breathing unevenly for Ka-52.

            The transporters will be NH-90 almost certainly, now it is being discussed in France.
            1. Mister22408
              Mister22408 23 September 2015 23: 39 New
              +1
              The height of the hangars and gates measured?
              1. donavi49
                donavi49 24 September 2015 08: 48 New
                0
                AND? Tigers and NH90 are slightly lower and make up a regular group of ordinary Mistrals (French Navy).

                For BPC Russe, the hangar was raised slightly so that it was possible to carry out routine maintenance on Ka-29 and Ka-52 helicopters. Also strengthened elevators.

                A lower helicopter in a high hangar will only be more convenient to service. No discomfort.

                Therefore, any ship’s helicopter, even SH-60, even Puma, even Tiger, even Ka-29 / Ka-52, goes to BPC Russe.
          3. Mister22408
            Mister22408 23 September 2015 23: 36 New
            0
            There was a Frenchman, okromya trifles on communication.
        3. Kunar
          Kunar 23 September 2015 18: 37 New
          +1
          Even a muddy story ... wassat As if it’s not the friendly contribution of the fraternal Egyptian people to the victory over ISIS. If you accidentally refuel, recharge, daughters ... go to Tartus and then the evil ones (that is, we) will wring out the Mistrals and take them off as intended. And with Ebipit and Mursi personally we’ll disperse))))
          1. matross
            matross 23 September 2015 18: 40 New
            +3
            Quote: Kunar
            .A with Ebipit and Mursi personally we’ll disperse the edges))))

            So Mursi already ... if you are not in the know. Sisi is there now.
            And in general, things are not done like that, it's unscientific fiction - the level of Somalia.
        4. Altona
          Altona 23 September 2015 18: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: ZU-23
          Stumble! The French returned the loot to us, and the Mistrals sell to Egypt, 2 hares almost shot themselves.

          -----------------
          Maybe these troughs are already selling below cost? We do not know the nature and essence of the negotiations ... And let them swim, the pieces of iron are bad, sorry, French ... laughing
        5. Karabin
          Karabin 23 September 2015 20: 08 New
          +6
          Quote: ZU-23
          The French returned the loot to us

          Are you sure that this dough is enough to cover our costs? Me not. In addition, our lover of "partners" refused to raise the issue of penalties.
        6. Mister22408
          Mister22408 23 September 2015 23: 34 New
          -1
          And only Katz (mediator) offers to surrender laughing
      2. yushch
        yushch 23 September 2015 17: 57 New
        +8
        Quote: Krasmash
        Quote: katalonec2014
        Egypt is good

        And what good?


        Like what? Egypt uses American turntables, and thanks to the FSB agent with the call sign Francoise, they will have to use our turntables because the Mistrals are made for them, and this is a pretty contract for the purchase and maintenance.
      3. katalonec2014
        katalonec2014 23 September 2015 18: 03 New
        +4
        Putin has good relations with As Sisi, and besides, this is not China (which by the way many fear, not now of course, but still), so China is able to convert them on its own, and it will be easier for Egypt to buy or leave our equipment (Well, they will not change all wiring, change connectors, expensive) plus hangars are designed specifically for our cars, so they will buy from us.
      4. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 23 September 2015 18: 05 New
        +9
        This is good: Egypt bought 50 Ka-52 helicopters from Russia.
        "The contract for the supply of 50 Ka-52 helicopters to Egypt has been concluded. If the Egyptian side considers it necessary, the vehicles will be delivered in a ship-borne version of the Ka-52K," the source said.
        http://news.rambler.ru/video/31418476/
        1. katalonec2014
          katalonec2014 23 September 2015 18: 21 New
          +3
          Yes, I read it, but if you recall Putin’s words, he indicated that the Ka-52K helicopters for the Mistrals were already made, and we don’t know where to use them in connection with the termination of the contract, so we probably had them in mind.
          1. ssn18
            ssn18 23 September 2015 18: 36 New
            +3
            "Ka-52K helicopters for Mistral are already made"

            So it’s good that they are made. Here, as they say, when there is something to do, finding where to go is not a problem. Ka-52K was made for us, i.e. without modifications, they can be placed on other ships and land. And this is a plus for the RF Armed Forces.
    3. Vend
      Vend 23 September 2015 17: 43 New
      +13
      Quote: katalonec2014
      Egypt, this is good, but then why dismantle the equipment?

      Mistrals in Egypt, wait in Egypt for a Russian military base, a popular sign :-))
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 23 September 2015 17: 50 New
        +4
        And still pretty bad: they also cheapened the Zenit-9 BIUS with the indemnity, for the sake of which the whole deal was made, they did not receive it.
        1. ssn18
          ssn18 23 September 2015 18: 38 New
          0
          "BIUS Zenit-9, for which the whole deal was, did not get."

          Well, why didn’t they get it? They just got it, but where they will install this is the second question.
          1. clidon
            clidon 23 September 2015 20: 45 New
            +4
            Have not received. Could only get acquainted.
        2. Mister22408
          Mister22408 23 September 2015 23: 43 New
          0
          Come on, we didn’t get it - the Jews again stole (like those missile boats). Where did the “screws” go? SU to the Jews, troughs to Egypt ...
    4. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 23 September 2015 18: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: katalonec2014
      Egypt, this is good, but then why dismantle the equipment?

      Because it does not belong to the French and was installed by Russian experts, not long before France refused to transfer, not even sell, because the money was already transferred, and in France our Mistral crews were already studying.
      1. katalonec2014
        katalonec2014 23 September 2015 18: 27 New
        +2
        If you are not in the know, then Moscow made a statement in advance; Russia agrees to leave the equipment on the Mistrals, provided that they are sold to India or Egypt.
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 23 September 2015 22: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: katalonec2014
          If you are not in the know, then Moscow made a statement in advance; Russia agrees to leave the equipment on the Mistrals, provided that they are sold to India or Egypt.

          About this writes "Sight", citing data from foreign media. According to their information, Moscow made it clear that Russian equipment installed on the Mistral can remain on board provided that they are bought by the indicated states, with which the Kremlin has developed good relations.
          And where are our, Russian statements by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or Putin himself? Find confirmation, otherwise one woman (foreign media) said.
    5. War and Peace
      War and Peace 23 September 2015 18: 20 New
      +1
      well, now all the Egyptians can start a new war with the Jews ...
      1. rash12
        rash12 23 September 2015 20: 35 New
        +2
        no refugees will be delivering bundles to Europe and grandmas will be beaten off in a swoop.
      2. fox21h
        fox21h 23 September 2015 21: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: war and peace
        well, now all the Egyptians can start a new war with the Jews ...

        What the hell is this for them? Are there few other problems?
        Now the Saudis will hire the army of Egypt for ooooooooooooooooooo much money for the war in Yemen, as they themselves received from the mussal.
        Accordingly, the Saudis will pay, most likely, this banquet.
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    7. avt
      avt 23 September 2015 18: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: katalonec2014
      Egypt, this is good, but then why dismantle the equipment?

      What for? We sell them 50 Ka turntables! On the contrary - it is also necessary to collect crews of porridge for them, so that the descendants of the pharaohs would not bother with hard work, again with questions based. Well, one to Vladivostok, the other to Sevastopol, and then you can raise the Andreevsky flags, and for money we’ll take it into account with the Egyptians. laughing
    8. milann
      milann 23 September 2015 18: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: katalonec2014
      Egypt, this is good, but then why dismantle the equipment?

      Of course, there is no need: Egypt Mistral for the nuclear power plant will pay.
    9. Alekseev
      Alekseev 23 September 2015 18: 57 New
      +8
      Quote: katalonec2014
      Egypt is good

      It's a dark matter ...
      On horseradish Kose bayan - she will drink it to hell. laughing
      So to Egypt these ships.
      Well, where are thousands of kilometers from their native desert Arabs going to land?
      Or for which ocean group of the Navy will the Egyptian Mistral serve as headquarters?
      Maybe for our Mediterranean squadron? With the transfer of his RF to a free rental for 50 years? wink
      Let's wait, interesting.
      Amazing ships - they have not yet begun service, but how many repertories are already around them!
    10. Thronekeeper
      Thronekeeper 23 September 2015 19: 27 New
      +1
      And who will dismantle?
      The complex "Caliber" and missile defense "Broadsword", the Alligator air group, BMP-3 are very good for our ally. In addition, a billion euros on top of the forfeit. And no matter how much more for equipment and vert.

      PS. I liked the French troughs, etc. "Govind", and the TTX corresponds to the name. What do you call a ship ...
    11. Juborg
      Juborg 23 September 2015 19: 57 New
      +4
      If you think that Egypt is good, then the answer to the question, why does it have almost all the weapons of American and a little bit European origin, and why does the American budget annually unfasten Egypt's round sums of greenery to support the army? Egypt is unreliable not only an ally or partner, but simply as a friend, acquaintance.
      Regarding the 52 turntables, it’s a shame, of course, we sell the best helicopter for Russia today. It would be better if they leased the Kremlin to them, under the guise of pyramids, and the Chinese to Siberia.Generally funny a little.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 23 September 2015 21: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: juborg
        It's a shame, the best helicopter for Russia today and we sell it. Better be the Kremlin leased to them,



        Hmm ... what's better ??? If you mean - in financial leasing without the right of redemption, then why do we need them to return in 8-10 years with the exhausted resources ??? What will WE do with them ???

        And access to the equipment is complete - both during the sale, during the leasing ... If you mean our service, then not every leasing agreement provides for it ...

        And so, service, spare parts and training, what about the sale, that the lease will still get ours ... Well, what Arabs, Egyptians are warriors and techies - half the world, if not the whole world knows ...
        1. Juborg
          Juborg 23 September 2015 21: 47 New
          +1
          Respected veksha50, I'm talking about leasing the Kremlin, or what we have, that we have not had time to sell. You only saw the new Chinese equipment in the parade, the rest is a secret, you didn’t even feel your BMP and tanks at the games, I’m generally silent about the star-striped, we still only know about the characteristics of their armor, but they are on real tanks and our planes and missiles are testing their new weapons.
      2. Per se.
        Per se. 23 September 2015 22: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: juborg
        Generally funny a little.
        It will be funny if Egypt, indeed, resells these pelvis of Russia. There is no sense in these ships for the sons of the pyramids. India, wherever these UDCs went, but to Egypt ... The people in the comments are glad that they will buy Ka-52 for this business, as many as 50 pieces, that we don’t buy our army with equipment that we ourselves can buy few? Capitalism, if not the Kremlin on lease, so about the Chinese about Siberia, you are not far from the possible, rumors have already circulated about similar prospects in our territories. Everyone is ready to sell, if the same India wishes, so the T-14 will probably be brought up for it first. Traders are shitty, and they are so cunning "multi-way" that they are ready to buy someone else at exorbitant prices (like these Mistral), generously refuse after the forfeit, and just buy their own for cheap (like Gorshkov to the Indians in addition to the MiGs). Wonderful ...
    12. Locksmith
      Locksmith 23 September 2015 22: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: katalonec2014
      Egypt, this is good, but then why dismantle the equipment?

      Change to the same but with the letter E, there for us, but it will be for them.
    13. Imigrantt
      Imigrantt 24 September 2015 00: 39 New
      0
      There will be no dismantling !! The question is different - in Sevastopol or Novorossiysk, or maybe "Egyptian" little ships will be based in Syria ??????? )))))))))) lol repeat
    14. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 24 September 2015 01: 42 New
      0
      Why is Egypt good? is he our friend? .. or are you one of the "internationalists" on the site?
  2. RUSS
    RUSS 23 September 2015 17: 30 New
    +3
    One good thing is that our "alligators" can be realized by the Egyptians.
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 23 September 2015 20: 44 New
      +1
      What good is this ??? Although Russia does not seem to need anything at all, the Zombie country is for dollars. Prove the opposite, who does not agree.
  3. Walking
    Walking 23 September 2015 17: 33 New
    +13
    And then Egypt will resell Mistral to Russia and everyone is happy.
    1. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 23 September 2015 17: 36 New
      +2
      Your option may get to the point. As the saying goes, both the sheep and the wolves are full. You are a plus.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 23 September 2015 17: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Hiking
      And then Egypt will resell Mistral to Russia and everyone is happy.

      It’s unlikely becauseRussia has signed a contract with Egypt for the supply of 50 Ka-52K Alligator helicopters, TASS reports citing a military-diplomatic source.

      “The contract for the supply of 50 Ka-52 helicopters to Egypt has been concluded. If the Egyptian side considers it necessary, the vehicles will be delivered in the ship version of the Ka-52K, ”the source said.

      Another source in the field of military-technical cooperation explained that Egypt can only get helicopters separately from the Mistrals themselves.

      Earlier it was reported that representatives of Egypt agreed with France on the acquisition of two Mistral helicopter carriers, which were originally intended for Russia. It is assumed that one of the ships will serve in the Red Sea, and the second in the Mediterranean.
      1. avt
        avt 23 September 2015 18: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        This is unlikely since Russia signed a contract with Egypt for the supply of 50 Ka-52K Alligator helicopters, TASS reports citing a military diplomatic source.

        What a fright !! ?? Helicopters are out of business here. Here you need to look at the paper - if resale right.
        Quote: RUSS
        “The contract for the supply of 50 Ka-52 helicopters to Egypt has been concluded. If the Egyptian side considers it necessary, the vehicles will be delivered in the ship version of the Ka-52K, "

        That is exactly what IF and considers it necessary.
      2. Nasty pirate
        Nasty pirate 23 September 2015 21: 26 New
        +1
        Well, Egypt needs helicopters, but why does it need two transporters? They don’t need to land on disputed islands; all the more, they fight submarines in the ocean with the help of helicopters.
    3. katalonec2014
      katalonec2014 23 September 2015 17: 42 New
      +2
      Then let them bargain to the last, and the Chinese need to put the composter, otherwise they will get into the bargain and only fill the price.
    4. Neksel
      Neksel 23 September 2015 17: 43 New
      +6
      Quote: Hiking
      And then Egypt will resell Mistral to Russia and everyone is happy.


      certainly the contract will stipulate a ban on any possible transfer to the 3rd party, in any form: resale, lease, sublease, etc.
      The usual practice in many contracts, and I think there are not "complete fools" will make a contract.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 23 September 2015 17: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: Neksel
        Quote: Hiking
        And then Egypt will resell Mistral to Russia and everyone is happy.


        certainly the contract will stipulate a ban on any possible transfer to the 3rd party, in any form: resale, lease, sublease, etc.
        The usual practice in many contracts, and I think there are not "complete fools" will make a contract.

        I don’t think that the French have a maneuver for additional conditions for the Egyptians, it’s only in the press that the queue of those who want to, but in fact the last word is for the Russians, is announced. So France has a very difficult situation with this deal, in addition to direct losses, the first signs of indirect but the amount of indirect can be estimated more in monetary terms.
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 23 September 2015 17: 56 New
        +2
        surely the contract will stipulate a ban on any possible transfer to the 3rd party
        ... and force majeure will also stipulate a pirate capture
      3. nikcris
        nikcris 23 September 2015 17: 58 New
        +1
        Let the Egyptians resell them to you - rather go broke fellow
      4. maxxdesign
        maxxdesign 23 September 2015 17: 59 New
        +1
        I don’t think that even now under the contract they can be sold without the participation of Russia, since the feed was collected from us
    5. veksha50
      veksha50 23 September 2015 21: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Hiking
      And then Egypt will resell Mistral to Russia and everyone is happy.



      Damn, well, right east bazaar ... One trade ...
    6. Locksmith
      Locksmith 23 September 2015 22: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Hiking
      And then Egypt will resell Mistral to Russia and everyone is happy.

      What for? they’ll sell it somewhere in ... well, where they dig a canal, there, to guard the canal. wink
  4. lukke
    lukke 23 September 2015 17: 34 New
    +2
    Bingo! All with their own! previously portended such a development, but too lazy to look for that comment)))
  5. Hubun
    Hubun 23 September 2015 17: 35 New
    +2
    at any price for half the price the French can’t support now
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 September 2015 17: 45 New
      +7
      There is something else interesting - the Egyptians chose between cheap MEKO and Gowind = bought 2xGowind 2500. Each ship is about 300 million dollars, that is, for money there are not so fewer Mistrals.
  6. Ai yai
    Ai yai 23 September 2015 17: 36 New
    +4
    Recently they wrote that if Egypt buys the ships, then the equipment will not be dismantled. Apparently it will just remain so that the Egyptians will buy helicopters from us.
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  8. Million
    Million 23 September 2015 17: 44 New
    +9
    Now Mistral will become desert ships)))
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 23 September 2015 18: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Million
      Now Mistral will become desert ships)))

      Laughter, laughter, and the Egyptians recently “opened” the second Suez Canal, so as they say, the Mistrals have “where to turn around,” and they seem to be doing well with finances.
      1. Tor5
        Tor5 23 September 2015 21: 57 New
        +1
        And what? Not a bad option!
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  9. Snake AAA
    Snake AAA 23 September 2015 17: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
    Quote: katalonec2014
    Egypt, this is good, but then why dismantle the equipment?

    Then to sell it to the Egyptians. lol

    I already heard that the Egyptians are buying 50 Ka 52 helicopters from us !!!
  10. Barakuda
    Barakuda 23 September 2015 17: 51 New
    +3
    Guys! This is like a stuffing-fake .. Where did Egypt get so many robs and SPECIALS? request And why the heck they generally need. They can’t put things in order, but suddenly Mistral ..
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 23 September 2015 18: 08 New
      +2
      Well, all the same, landing ships ... For transportation of refugees will be very convenient ... And then they will give us for unnecessary. wink (JOKE)!!! But remember that in every joke ...
    2. sanja.grw
      sanja.grw 23 September 2015 18: 31 New
      +1
      They have strained with the dough, but the Saudis help. It is along the way at their expense a banquet
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 23 September 2015 19: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Barracuda
      Guys! This is like a stuffing-fake .. Where did Egypt get so many robs and SPECIALS? request And why the heck they generally need. They can’t put things in order, but suddenly Mistral ..

      They pay for all the Saudis, the Egyptian army is now considered one of the largest in the region. The Americans are trying to leave the region, but the Saudis are trying to pay and become a real force.
    4. samoletil18
      samoletil18 23 September 2015 19: 43 New
      +1
      Dessant is prepared on the Yemeni shore of the Gulf of Aden.
  11. nikcris
    nikcris 23 September 2015 17: 55 New
    +2
    eBipet why are they? How are targets for Israel? They gave us a little dashing attempts. The note that helicopters will buy is wonderful. And also SAM and melee. Right now, not the sixties, right now we are riveting - we get money - the Jews bring down - the cycle of Amer’s grandmothers in the Sinai)))
  12. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 23 September 2015 17: 56 New
    +1
    Israel urgently needs to buy these troughs, so that in the case of a large sheher from Iran, to place a mating population suitable for them, for their subsequent departure to the vast oceans ...

    Something like this.
    1. Kunar
      Kunar 23 September 2015 18: 46 New
      +2
      They have nowhere to land! Ararat does not accept .....
  13. Xoyuschka
    Xoyuschka 23 September 2015 17: 58 New
    +4
    Why Egypt such ships?
  14. COLLECTOR-2015
    COLLECTOR-2015 23 September 2015 17: 58 New
    0
    In addition to the helicopter carriers, the Egyptians intend to purchase a Govind-type 2 corvette.
    The name of the corvette speaks for itself.
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 23 September 2015 18: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: COLLECTOR-2015
      In addition to the helicopter carriers, the Egyptians intend to acquire the 2 Govind-type corvette. The name of the corvette speaks for itself.

      What does it tell you? Govind is the oldest supreme deity of Asia: India, Pakistan, Egypt, with the head of a bull. About here is our "beef." Don't you like a real jar of beef?
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 23 September 2015 18: 32 New
      +3
      Well, the corvette is quite suitable, but very expensive - 300 lyamov + for the heavy that Egypt ordered. MEKO would be cheaper at 50-60 lyamov. But apparently they took the package.

      The main plus of the newest radar from Thales is SMART-S. For the first time, a radar of this class (detection of a typical aircraft - 200 km, aircraft with reduced visibility 4 + - 150 km) was installed on a small ship. Plus the BIOS from this is very advanced.

      Corvette armament - 16 MIKA missiles (20km with vigorous maneuvering up to 30g, ultra-close 7 km to 50g = 11 km target ceiling), 8 Exosets of the latest modification, light torpedoes, the legendary 76 Oto-Melara in Stealth Base breeze into the load (type S100).
  15. nikcris
    nikcris 23 September 2015 18: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: Black Colonel
    surely the contract will stipulate a ban on any possible transfer to the 3rd party
    ... and force majeure will also stipulate a pirate capture

    Israel has such an experience with the French))) Yes, and our radar, hM, "stole" from Egypt ...
  16. Stas57
    Stas57 23 September 2015 18: 02 New
    +6
    THOSE. we will still cram helicopters and equipment, for which we have already received loot, the repair of this entire country. which will not go expensive in the short term. The person who invented this scheme is a genius (or who developed a situation for himself)
    and all forum trepuns- "why do we need troughs", forum trepuns- these troughs have already played into our hands three times without becoming ours.
    If it burns out, urgently translate it into Hebrew and into textbooks on trade and gesheft!
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 23 September 2015 19: 27 New
      +1
      Forgot to indicate that the ruble to the euro at the advance was one, and after the sanctions and the return of the advance - another, differing by one and a half times!
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 23 September 2015 20: 59 New
        +1
        yes "trifles" is complete.
        for example, such a story, they say that it was Sarko’s pay for reconciliation and soft results without sanctions for 888.

        They also say. that this will help us drag the Egyptian blanket over to us, and not for resorts, but as a mass buyer of Amer’s weapons and an influential figure in the region.
        If everything goes well, so on.
        it’s just someone who comprehended the Tao of politics perfectly, and like a real judoka, he simply directs the energy wherever she needs, well, you understand me)))) fellow
        1. family tree
          family tree 23 September 2015 22: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: Stas57
          They also say. that this will help us drag the Egyptian blanket over to us, and not for resorts, but as a mass buyer of Amer’s weapons and an influential figure in the region.
          If everything goes well, so on.
          it’s just someone who understood the Tao of politics perfectly, and like a real judoka, he simply directs the energy wherever she needs, well, you understand me)))) fellow

          Stas, there are many references to Egypt as a trader. They don’t need weapons, they don’t know how to use them. Mistrals, only as resellers. If they still have a Ka-52k, on the Mistral, they, like Anwar Sadat, will do a feint with their ears, and transfer everything for “repair” to the States for “appropriate rewarding and good attitude”, but for those “dead raccoons” enough. Good support, at least for the so-called Syrian opposition, for hitting Assad
          Now, dissuade me request
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 September 2015 23: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: perepilka
            Good support, at least for the so-called Syrian opposition

            The US has enough of its ships.
            1. family tree
              family tree 24 September 2015 00: 49 New
              0
              Quote: Dart2027
              The US has enough of its ships.

              "There are very few cartridges, few and few, but no longer carry away" (c)
              And they are not with helicopters, attack, Russian-made, in surprise it will be, damn it

              Here, yet, there is no data on booking, but no one is safe from the shooting.
  17. afrikanez
    afrikanez 23 September 2015 18: 07 New
    +6
    Well, thank God, our helicopter carriers added. Thanks Egypt lol
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 September 2015 22: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: afrikanez
      Well, thank God, our helicopter carriers added. Thanks Egypt

      They had to be attached as barges carrying refugees from the Middle East to a geyropa.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 September 2015 22: 35 New
      0
      Quote: afrikanez
      Well, thank God, our helicopter carriers added. Thanks Egypt

      They had to be attached as barges carrying refugees from the Middle East to a geyropa.
  18. yuriy55
    yuriy55 23 September 2015 18: 08 New
    +6
    Egypt - it means they will buy cheaper. Heated the French for stupidity and "populism" ... tongue
    What good is Russia. Egypt has already planned an order in Russia for the Ka-52 Alligator. Perhaps under these Mistral. To which Russia said that it could fulfill the order in the modification of the Ka-52K (ship version).
    These are the mutual benefits of Russia and Egypt ... good
  19. clinch63
    clinch63 23 September 2015 18: 10 New
    +6
    It will be like this: built - France; pay - Saudi Arabia (for ships and helicopters); Egypt will hire a team of Russian specialists who will defend Egypt itself and, incidentally, so to speak))), Russian interests in the region. Here, the whole AMERZ administration has a stroke, and not just Nuland.)))
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 23 September 2015 19: 13 New
      +1
      Protect Egypt with these troughs? One missile boat, if you try, of course, sends them both to the Triton forage in the Mediterranean. The Egyptians quite successfully drowned the Israeli destroyer in 1967. So the answer will come.
      1. clinch63
        clinch63 24 September 2015 09: 49 New
        0
        Quote: nikcris
        Protect Egypt with these troughs?
        Well, so am I about the same. They will have plenty of free time to defend Russia's interests in the region. And when everything is protected here), they can go to the Nicaraguan canal, which by then will be built.
  20. Bosk
    Bosk 23 September 2015 18: 13 New
    +6
    I already ... and so I was looking at Egypt on the map, but I still didn’t understand why they were to them?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 23 September 2015 18: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Bosk
      I already ... and so I was looking at Egypt on the map, but I still didn’t understand why they were to them?

      That is, in your opinion, Egypt needs only such "ships"?
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      2. Bosk
        Bosk 23 September 2015 19: 07 New
        0
        Ship to ship, in the first place, Where are they going to land ?, Do they have the infrastructure for service ?, Will the economy reinforce the understaffing and content of all this? Again, returning to the geographical position ... if they are going to use them for their intended purpose ... then they can get by with a smaller displacement, if they want to use them like aircraft carriers in some way ... then in the case of a grandiose "heap" it is doubtful what do they have time to do something because they will become the No. 1 target, like a military transport ship ... painfully expensive pleasure and again why ?.
    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 23 September 2015 18: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: Bosk
      and so ... and so I was looking at Egypt on the map but I still didn’t understand why they were to them?

      Take a closer look. hi
      In the northeast are Israel and the hordes of Islamists.
      In the south - Somali filibusters and other African animals.
      In the west - disintegrated Libya.
      And the channel somehow needs to be protected.
      Then they bought it. yes
  21. DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 23 September 2015 18: 17 New
    +2
    Why do they need them ??? Who are they going to fight ???
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 23 September 2015 18: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      Why do they need them ??? Who are they going to fight ???

      First turn on at least the TV?
  22. fregina1
    fregina1 23 September 2015 18: 25 New
    +4
    Perhaps the contract for KA 52 is just a distraction for France, really "Mistral" to Egypt is useless ..... and this is even foolish. Ships were designed for the northern latitudes ... extra metal, extra cost ..... On ships everything is in Russian ..... translation and training, just excuse my ass .... then I'm sorry, but maybe it’s a trough as some say here ... but dealing with such engines is necessary ........ Most likely, nevertheless, I won’t be surprised if Egypt resells Russian ships, the French will be indignant, and will do a good face with a bad game ..... the option through Egypt allows everyone to save face ... And Egypt will also work! Maybe "Mistral" and horseradish ships for our fleet, in the absence of the development of amphibious assault forces, they are really needed today ..... Since they didn’t build their own, at least these are needed ..... (rental, for example) And to bring tanks to Syria is what you need
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 September 2015 18: 50 New
      +4
      AND? How will this turn out to Egypt?

      - The Saudis will be offended and will not give money anymore.
      - The French annul the contracts for Rafali, Govinda, FREMM, a bunch of other weapons, there is much more money than the Mistrals.
      - all the other Eurogames, in solidarity, annul the contracts.
      - Americans will threaten with a finger, close the assistance program, will not give Apaches, will not give 24 brand new Ф-16 block50 / 52 +, and for the arrested money they will start preparing a new Arab spring. And taking into account the 1 point - Maidan self-educates there quickly, without salaries and food then.

      Does Egypt need it?
      1. avt
        avt 23 September 2015 19: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        - The Saudis will be offended and will not give money anymore.

        Yes they will. I already wrote today - it’s not for nothing that Saudi was rubbing like a cat about GDP.
    2. avt
      avt 23 September 2015 21: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: fregina1
      Ships were designed for the northern latitudes ..

      And by the way about the ice in the northern latitudes - on the icebreaker ,, Vladivostok "the first of the series raised the national flag of Russia! good
  23. Rav_Poroh
    Rav_Poroh 23 September 2015 18: 29 New
    +4
    Indeed, why does Egypt need ships of this class? I understand if China or India, but Egypt, where were they going to use them and for what purpose? Does Egypt have created the appropriate infrastructure for the use of such ships. Something is wrong here, most likely the Egyptians get them for us, or rather we get them through Egypt. It was not for nothing that negotiations took so long.
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 23 September 2015 18: 45 New
      +1
      Indeed, why does Egypt need ships of this class?

      800 Egyptian army soldiers are already fighting in Yemen, another 1200 will be sent next month on coalition ships. The Egyptians tried to get off precisely on the basis of insufficient capabilities for the transfer of troops and the supply of contingent.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 23 September 2015 18: 45 New
      +5
      They won nothing to send soldiers to Yemen. Allies in the Saudi coalition rescued by transport. That's why they buy boats.

      In addition, in Egypt there are now 2 headaches with increasing amplitude:
      - Libya. The strikes of the Egyptian Air Force are now approximately equal in effectiveness to the American IS. If Haftar falls, Egypt will have to shut up a whole front. For the IS considers Egypt a piece of the caliphate, Alkaida Marib considers Egypt a piece of its caliphate, the Bedouins want to bite off a piece of Egypt, Dawn of Libya believes that Egypt once illegally took a piece of Libya. In general, everyone will be happy to slaughter the Egyptians already on Egyptian soil. Target strikes to the rear of the communications of all this Islamic circus, Special Forces raids, the abandonment of weapons, support for local resistance, strikes on their requests and so on, will be able to fetter, or even turn the tide of the war.

      - Sinai. Everything is bad there.

      Plus Sudan. There is a circus with horses there, most of the weapons of the IG Sinai are from Sudan ... Including rare wafers like FN-6 and Chinese ATGM HJ-8 available only in Sudan.
    3. k174oun7
      k174oun7 23 September 2015 18: 45 New
      +1
      There is another option that someone agreed to pay for the Mistral for Egypt. In this case, they don’t look at the gift horse in the mouth.
  24. starshina pv
    starshina pv 23 September 2015 18: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: Rav_Poroh
    Indeed, why does Egypt need ships of this class? I understand if China or India, but Egypt, where were they going to use them and for what purpose? Does Egypt have created the appropriate infrastructure for the use of such ships. Something is wrong here, most likely the Egyptians get them for us, or rather we get them through Egypt. It was not for nothing that negotiations took so long.

    probably!!!
  25. 178
    178 23 September 2015 18: 47 New
    +1
    Yes MISRALI on MISTRAL
  26. Maksus
    Maksus 23 September 2015 18: 48 New
    +3
    I would not be surprised if the French themselves proposed such an exit, to transfer these ships to us through a third country. Such deals just don't happen. And the appearance of two landing Mistrals in Egypt would have caused a storm of indignation from Israel, but it does not. Netanyahu’s campaign went to Putin with the question, “will the Mistrals give you exactly?” and left reassured)
  27. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 23 September 2015 18: 53 New
    +2
    Hollande will read our comments and cancel the deal, say that it’s better if I deliver the second wave of migrants to them to Europe (Obama will personally kiss him in the gums) than he will strangle him.
  28. IAlex
    IAlex 23 September 2015 18: 57 New
    +3
    Ships in principle are normal and necessary, incl. they will be bought clearly by everyone, except for stubborn cheers-patriots. And we can only look at the models of the "surf" and other "projections" at the expense of the state, and think when the narrow-eyed will wring out the Kuril Islands, which now have nothing to protect ...
    1. Maksus
      Maksus 23 September 2015 19: 04 New
      +1
      And how would the Kuril Islands protect two UDCs, weapons inherently offensive? And I realized, let the Yapes land and then attack them, because of the horizon)))
      1. IAlex
        IAlex 23 September 2015 19: 46 New
        0
        But what if they start landing on Iturup, you will land on rowing kayaks without equipment and support to help the defending garrison?
        1. TiGRoO
          TiGRoO 23 September 2015 22: 52 New
          +1
          Isn’t it easier to hit a tactical bomb in Japan itself, rather than reinvent the wheel?
          1. clidon
            clidon 23 September 2015 22: 58 New
            +1
            Japan is protected by another nuclear power.
            1. nikcris
              nikcris 24 September 2015 01: 07 New
              0
              Explain to me the actions of AI after a preemptive strike by Russia? Do they want to dispose of themselves with us or wish to protest and the UN? Here is a tag for seeding the dialogue ...
              Then a bunch of mistakes came up, which I did not pace. AI = USA, but it's not me - these are fighters for the independence of Zhoponia (that’s how it sounds in Kazakh)
              1. clidon
                clidon 24 September 2015 05: 20 New
                0
                Well, for example, a retaliatory tactical nuclear strike against Russian troops in a theater of operations. Do we want to dispose of ourselves with them or will we protest further at the UN?
          2. IAlex
            IAlex 23 September 2015 23: 13 New
            0
            But isn’t it easier for yourself to get a bullet in the forehead, so that in general the problems no longer get?
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          4. nikcris
            nikcris 24 September 2015 01: 03 New
            0
            Why tactical? Intelligent galleries?)))
  29. morpogr
    morpogr 23 September 2015 19: 03 New
    +3
    They divorced the French as the last l ..... in. They will also thank the Egyptians for saying that they generally agreed to buy them and probably with a big discount. laughing And we get another profitable contract and subsequent maintenance of equipment.
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 24 September 2015 08: 09 New
      0
      What are you talking about, what the hell is a profitable contract? Russia is disarming in the face of aggression, then no money will help. This is our leader-idiots, divorced in full. Better to keep silent than a storm of applause!
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  31. Denis 2
    Denis 2 23 September 2015 19: 11 New
    +3
    See now migrants on the Mistral will be transported.
  32. Ivan Ivanovich
    Ivan Ivanovich 23 September 2015 19: 13 New
    +1
    And in transit to the Russian Federation ..............
  33. Stas 86
    Stas 86 23 September 2015 19: 20 New
    +1
    K-52 order for 50 units at $ 20 million per unit.
    And that is 1 billion dollars in the plot.
  34. Technical engineer
    Technical engineer 23 September 2015 19: 23 New
    +2
    All can be congratulated with the fact that Ka-52 go to Egypt. Naturally, the Russian army in the opinion of the leadership they are no longer needed. We will manage the old men of the Mi-24 and frankly unsuccessful (at least in comparison with the KA-52) Mi-28-mi.
    I don’t know how anyone, but after the news about the reduction in the volume of purchases of PAKF to 12, I’m putting this news into shock. Us that no one really threatens except Mozambique and Paraguay ????

    Moreover, they will now present it as a victory. As we have thrown the French and still on the sale of helicopters welded. But, if you think about it, it’s really scary that nobody seems to be thinking about the defense of the country.
    1. shans2
      shans2 23 September 2015 19: 25 New
      +3
      Why should poor Egypt immediately 2 Mistral? here here is clearly not the end of this story, but we need them for the Syrian Express.
      1. clidon
        clidon 23 September 2015 20: 48 New
        0
        To control the troubled region, where there is also the Suez Canal. They’ll give them money anyway.
  35. tyras85
    tyras85 23 September 2015 19: 25 New
    +1
    To Egypt, so to Egypt. Generally, Russia-all the money to return spent! And helicopters sell "right."
    Without cheating, as was the case with the Republic of Holland ...
  36. KRIG55
    KRIG55 23 September 2015 19: 29 New
    +1
    The Egyptians are able to bargain and they will not buy more than they cost. And France has long lost its face.
    1. clidon
      clidon 23 September 2015 20: 49 New
      +1
      She lost him so much that their weapons are snapped up. Russia, but will not buy it. Well, they probably will not be sold.
  37. Riv
    Riv 23 September 2015 19: 33 New
    -3
    So it goes...
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 23 September 2015 21: 08 New
      +2
      you have a shit with humor.
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  38. zulus 58rus
    zulus 58rus 23 September 2015 19: 36 New
    +7
    No matter how we jerked, and the Franks stayed with their own, and they returned the money and did not quarrel with the amers ... we were checkmate. And we proved to be utter suckers, the forfeit in the court refused to file a lawsuit, we chased right after the cash but without a court, right away. They were afraid that the court would lower them to nothing but a great power, however. A great power however. And about the fact that Egypt will give them to us cheaply it will never come from the area of ​​Turkish friends along the Turkish Stream.
  39. SPB 1221
    SPB 1221 23 September 2015 19: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
    The main thing is that our people do not buy them from the Egyptians.

    it would be cool if they hadn’t bought but taken back. Miraculously, I thought they would be back soon !!!
    We are a girl, we fed dinner, we will dance her !!!
  40. bubla5
    bubla5 23 September 2015 20: 10 New
    +1
    It’s interesting that the price of two Mistrals for the Egyptians is half the price that Russia paid
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 23 September 2015 20: 32 New
      +1
      Well, how do you like - the market. Crap crap - next time customers will bring toilet paper themselves. Zhelezkammi is difficult to trade - these are not watermelons.
  41. nikcris
    nikcris 23 September 2015 20: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
    Quote: Bosk
    and so ... and so I was looking at Egypt on the map but I still didn’t understand why they were to them?

    Take a closer look. hi
    In the northeast are Israel and the hordes of Islamists.
    In the south - Somali filibusters and other African animals.
    In the west - disintegrated Libya.
    And the channel somehow needs to be protected.
    Then they bought it. yes

    Channel to protect? !!! Is the channel already Volga channel wide THIS?
    Samolian filibusters are completely sucked off by coastal guard boats, but they are not there. BOD is sent - this is our tradition, not killed by anything.
    Barges with meat are sailing from Libya - half is sailing all the same - will they swim, will they be drowned? What the hell?
  42. Leeder
    Leeder 23 September 2015 20: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: ssn18
    So it’s good that they are made. Here, as they say, when there is something to do, finding where to go is not a problem. Ka-52K was made for us, i.e. without modifications, they can be placed on other ships and land. And this is a plus for the RF Armed Forces.

    But this is bad for trading. If the goods produced are strictly specific, it is more difficult to sell them than not yet manufactured (changing the performance characteristics will be more expensive than in the production process)
    I think the Egyptians demanded an additional discount, threatening to purchase equipment on the side. I would do it in their place.
  43. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 23 September 2015 20: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: midashko
    I think the Egyptians for paying for these ships below cost and France will sell them at a loss to themselves.


    Loosen the lumps in the root (K. Prutkov). They will not pay the Egyptians, but the Saudis. In other matters, they will strangle them for nothing.
  44. muhomor
    muhomor 23 September 2015 20: 42 New
    +1
    Egypt owes Russia as land to the collective farm. So let them pay the ships! sad
  45. veksha50
    veksha50 23 September 2015 20: 52 New
    +1
    "the bidding is rather tight:" The Egyptians consider the price offered by the French (it’s clear that no figures are given), they are too high and insist on a reduction "...

    Already agreed ... 950 million eureka ...

    The keepers are well for themselves twisted with these Mistrals ... and even a bonus with frigates ...
  46. Region 23
    Region 23 23 September 2015 21: 03 New
    +4
    "Egypt has limited interests in the naval area, limited to the Mediterranean basin in its eastern part and the Red Sea, - the editor-in-chief of Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine Viktor Murakhovsky noted in a commentary to VZGLYAD newspaper. - It is difficult for me to understand the logic of this decision. Egypt simply does not need ships of this class. They are designed to support expeditionary forces, landing. But Egypt has no overseas territories and places where such ships would be appropriate. "
  47. supervisor
    supervisor 23 September 2015 21: 13 New
    +1
    We really need these ships in Syria. That's why they didn’t give them to us. For the “Syrian express” it would be just right. Apparently ours will really somehow agree with the leadership of Egypt.
  48. arrows
    arrows 23 September 2015 21: 50 New
    +1
    Not at all surprised if these boats, in a month or two, Egypt does not decide to resell to Russia, due to financial difficulties
    1. clidon
      clidon 23 September 2015 22: 59 New
      +1
      Resale will be possible only with the consent of Paris, and he will not give it.
      1. smsk
        smsk 23 September 2015 23: 21 New
        +2
        Resale will be possible only with the consent of Paris, and he will not give it.


        Who knows, maybe the “sale of Russia” item was mandatory in the contract and the paddlers agreed to it, because in the current crisis time it’s hard to sell such troughs to anyone.
        1. clidon
          clidon 24 September 2015 05: 21 New
          0
          That is, they did not sell directly, but were they allowed to sell through Egypt? It is so unlikely that even somehow it is not serious.
  49. Tatarname
    Tatarname 23 September 2015 22: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
    Quote: katalonec2014
    Egypt, this is good, but then why dismantle the equipment?

    Then to sell it to the Egyptians. lol

    Earlier it was reported that in case of sale to Egypt, there will be no dismantling of equipment.
    1. smsk
      smsk 23 September 2015 23: 15 New
      +1
      In my opinion, everything is simpler. Russia and France agreed on the sale of the Mistral through the intermediary of Egypt, thereby the soul-makers get rid of these troughs and they don’t lose face in front of the Americans. Russia, too, has gone all the way and will get the paid Mistals and will not lose face, well, and Egypt will stupidly raise money for intermediary services. Everyone is happy
  50. Evgeniy31
    Evgeniy31 24 September 2015 00: 40 New
    0
    It is necessary, from the principle, to buy them from Egypt, so that Hollande wants to))