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Journey from point "A" to "B" and back

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Let's compare a certain country "A" and a country "B" in terms of living standards and a little later in terms of the spirit level. Immediately, we note that the evaluation criteria will be different, that the methodologists from “A” emphasized thousands of tons of steel, centners of grain harvest, convincing their citizens that soon, very soon everyone will have total happiness, full shelves of goods in the store and world peace .


The “B” countries focused on private property, freedom of speech and the opportunity to receive everything at once as remuneration for work, and not later, after building some kind of ideal society in an ideal country, as in “A.” At the collision of the real and the perfect, boiled jeans and pepsi-cola won.

Residents of country "A" for some reason decided that, having exchanged a dream for chewing gum, they would receive all the bonuses of countries "B", and the advantages of their system in the social sphere, education, medicine and in many other things will remain automatically. Residents of country "A" have always been dreamers in a good and bad sense, and country "B" had more calculation and pragmatism.

As a result, the state "A" collapsed into pieces of 15, each of which was sure that he would join the clan "B", but for some reason they all turned out to be at the point "F". This happens when, instead of equipping your country, you take bead mirrors, chewing gum and cookies out of the greedy hands.

Some time passed, the chewing gum and cola became boring to the inhabitants of the “A” countries, and they again began to dream ... In a good sense of the word. We got so frivolously abandoned the Dream, and with it the Hope, and about to gain Objective and Meaning, they cannot but gain.

And what about country "B"? Without a dream, a person becomes stupid, society degrades, the country becomes shallow. Men cease to be men, women are women, they deprive children of their childhood. When new barbarians arrive, there is neither the power nor the will to stop them.

Those who are obliged to be a warrior, dance in a rainbow parade, those who should inspire him to the feat - a stupid feminist, one who should lead them - thinks about re-election.

And I live in a country of dreamers, in the best sense of the word, in a country of winners, pioneers in space and the Arctic, strong in spirit and hardworking people. You could continue to continue, but I'm sorry, it's time to change, you have to make your own contribution to the dream.
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  1. venaya
    venaya 25 September 2015 05: 56 New
    +7
    So it turns out that living in a country of dreamers is more interesting, and in a country of programmers it is more profitable. And which is better? It is not necessary to answer, it is advisable to calmly think for yourself.
    1. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 25 September 2015 08: 59 New
      +2
      well, for the sale of dreams! (toast, type) drinks
    2. mr.vasilievich
      mr.vasilievich 25 September 2015 09: 19 New
      +6
      It is not so profitable to live in a country of "pragmatists." In the USSR, I had confidence in the future, and now, and even in the conditions of Ukraine ....
      1. captain
        captain 25 September 2015 10: 06 New
        +2
        How is the ending of the toast? "... So let’s drink so that our desires coincide with our capabilities."
  2. papont64
    papont64 25 September 2015 06: 00 New
    +24
    I have never regretted in my life that I was born in the USSR. that I live in RUSSIA. I served in the army that everyone was afraid of, I live in a country that has found the strength to get up from its knees and forced myself to respect.
    1. Vlad_Rez
      Vlad_Rez 25 September 2015 08: 58 New
      +1
      At first glance, it seems too pathetic said. But after reading several more times I realized that you are committed to RIGHT, everything is just so.
    2. afrikanez
      afrikanez 25 September 2015 17: 07 New
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      And I, too, have always been proud and proud of the Soviet Union. It's not scary what happened to us, but we all survived. After all, as they say: in any basket with mushrooms, there will certainly be a worm.
  3. Name
    Name 25 September 2015 06: 10 New
    +2
    Sober optimistic from the article.
  4. VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 25 September 2015 06: 18 New
    +2
    We must build a country of justice without isms and craters. Must stop being killers and destroyers. Must become creators and custodians of a spaceship called Earth. In the meantime, we are only destroying the life support systems of a spaceship called Earth.
    We came to the cities, monsters hostile to life itself, poisoning water, air, food, bringing piles of garbage and poison.
  5. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 25 September 2015 06: 28 New
    +2
    At present, the country And still the government should find a way to take care of the good of the country, and not about the collapse of everything and everything,
  6. Revolver
    Revolver 25 September 2015 06: 31 New
    -3
    I highly recommend looking at the statistics. And to hell with income, absolute and / or per capita, the purchasing power of average earnings, the number of sausages in the average supermarket and other similar things. Things that really should be put at the forefront are quality of life (not to be confused with the level), and children's perspectives.
    Compare the crime rate (let's say killings on XXXX souls of the population). Estimate that they are eager to go to country B for permanent residence, legally or illegally, and to A even half-hearted compatriots from the former Soviet republics, oppressed by local authorities on a national basis, do not tear, and only indigenous peoples from the poorest former republics go to the subject earn extra money. Someone who can afford to get treatment also somehow from A to B, and not vice versa. Well, and in many ways as a result of the foregoing, what is the life expectancy?
    Well, and education. Take the first hundred universities in the world rankings. There is more than half of B there, but somehow it is not observed from A, and the current somewhere in the middle of the second hundred marked the capital's university, and even lower the university of the second capital and technical of the first. Where do children have better prospects in terms of learning?
    And a dream ... In country B there is also a dream, though much less socialized and more down to earth - to acquire a house, to educate children, and save so much for old age so as not to be completely dependent on the state or on children.
    As they say, to each his own.
    You can minus, only the statistics from this will not change.
    1. venaya
      venaya 25 September 2015 06: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Nagan

      Well, and education. ... Where do children have better prospects in terms of learning? ...
      And a dream ... In country B there is also a dream, though much less socialized and more down to earth - to acquire a house, to educate children, and save so much for old age so as not to be completely dependent on the state or on children.
      As they say, to each his own.
      You can minus ...

      I have no desire to pass, but I want to clarify:
      Education in our school is not bad, in relation to theirs, I noticed it myself. As for the rating, you don’t have to dramatize like that, the cost of studying at prestigious universities is not available to almost anyone, you can ask yourself. The topic of elite education, I somehow raised myself (check), but this is not directly related to education on average. There they talked about breakthrough technologies, no more.
      1. liuk gud
        liuk gud 26 September 2015 07: 06 New
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        I add, the procedure for obtaining citizenship is very complex and lengthy. I, who was born in the USSR in Russia, will have to spend about 3 years. And my children - about 5 at best. This is one of the reasons why they do not come from the former Soviet republics.
    2. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 25 September 2015 07: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Nagan
      and children's perspectives.

      And rightly so, it was once said "..the future in which our children will live better than us," by the way, in relation to the previous generation, the next lived all the better, I’m talking about the past, but the slogan was implemented

      Quote: Nagan
      and in A, even half-blood compatriots from the former Soviet republics, oppressed by local authorities on a national basis, do not break

      it’s just that in country A they made it so that fulfilling the desire to move is a rather winding path, with some restrictions, and until 2006 they were not
    3. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 25 September 2015 07: 18 New
      +6
      Quote: Nagan
      I highly recommend looking at the statistics.

      I highly recommend looking at statistics taking into account debts of both countries and households.
      And we will see that the so-called developed countries are all in debt, like in silk, but in fact beggars. Against this background, Russia with its public debt of about 10% of GDP feels an order of magnitude better than these most "developed" countries of victorious Satanism.
      So microscopic Norway with a population less than in St. Petersburg, has more debt than that of vast Russia.
      1. venaya
        venaya 25 September 2015 07: 40 New
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        So they are just slaves. They have developed democracy, that is, the owner (the one who pays for all this) can make them do anything, they have no right to rock the boat.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 25 September 2015 07: 46 New
          +2
          Owner, is this the USA or what? So they themselves are head over heels in debt - SCAM !!!
          1. venaya
            venaya 25 September 2015 08: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Owner, is this the USA or what? So they themselves are head over heels in debt - SCAM !!!

            The owner is not a territorial structure but a financial structure. It can be anywhere, in Carthage, in Venice, in Holland, in London, New York or somewhere on the islands, it does not matter. This should not bother anyone (if he wants to live).
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 25 September 2015 13: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: venaya
              The owner is not a territorial structure but a financial structure.

              A person chooses the owner for himself. The bible says:
              1. So, Israel, listen to the decrees and laws that I teach you to follow so that you may be alive and go and inherit the land that the Lord God of your fathers gives you.
              (Deuteronomy 4: 1)

              19. Do not give to your brother growth neither silver nor bread, nor anything else that you can give to growth;
              20. Give the stranger to growth, but do not give your brother to growth, so that the Lord your God bless you in everything that is done by your hands, on the earth into which you go to possess it.
              (Deuteronomy 23: 19,20)

              6. For the Lord your God bless you, as He told you, and you will lend to many nations, but you yourself will not borrow; and you will rule over many nations, but they will not rule over you.
              (Deuteronomy 15: 6)

              10. Then the sons of foreigners will build your walls, and their kings will serve you; for in My wrath I have struck you, but in My grace I will be merciful to you.
              11. And your gates will always be open, they will not be closed day or night, so that the wealth of the nations may be brought to you and their kings brought.
              12. For the people and kingdoms that do not want to serve you will perish, and such peoples will be completely destroyed.
              (Isaiah 60: 10-12)


              Now read the parable "Demon Kratius." http://www.orator.ru/demon_kratij.html

              And listen to this answer.
      2. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 25 September 2015 10: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        I highly recommend looking at statistics taking into account debts of both countries and households.
        And we will see that the so-called developed countries are all in debt, like in silk, but in fact beggars. Against this background, Russia with its public debt of about 10% of GDP feels an order of magnitude better than these most "developed" countries of victorious Satanism.
        So microscopic Norway with a population less than in St. Petersburg, has more debt than that of vast Russia.


        Alexander, you are absolutely right, it seems to me regarding debt.
        But in reality, when I come to the store where prices are rising weekly, for some reason I absolutely do not give a damn about the state debt of my country.
        Sorry, if rude, the topic is sore.

        That type spoke out. winked
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 25 September 2015 12: 34 New
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          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          But in reality, when I come to the store where prices are rising weekly, for some reason I absolutely do not give a damn about the state debt of my country.

          In particular, and therefore I say that it is necessary to bring down from the cities. And the prices, I have already said that on the network Magnet bought the same carrots at 19 rubles per kilo, in the tomato market at 35 rubles per kilo ... If it is expensive, then ...
    4. AID.S
      AID.S 25 September 2015 07: 46 New
      +6
      An eternal comparison of the spiritual and the material. There is nothing to argue about. If sausage is important to a person, he will choose a sausage, if an idea is important to a person, he will be ready to starve for it.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 25 September 2015 07: 59 New
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        Quote: AID.S
        The eternal comparison of the spiritual and the material. The argument is nothing.

        There is such a thing - education is called. The current is, you can raise a hero, or you can bastard. You can raise a caring mother, or you can stupid feminist ...
        And the Western world of the countries of victorious Satanism, which embarked on the path of consumption and humanization of people, has devoured its idea. Debts of US households exceed their income by 25-30%, this is POVERTY. Consumption in countries of victorious Satanism will fall. The economy of the main country B will fall by 50-65%.
      2. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 25 September 2015 12: 31 New
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        Quote: AID.S
        An eternal comparison of the spiritual and the material. There is nothing to argue about. If sausage is important to a person, he will choose a sausage, if an idea is important to a person, he will be ready to starve for it.


        Dear AID.S, I did not understand a bit what is the spirituality of external debt, and I was talking about it. But in any case, your statement about her (about the idea) completely impresses me. That's just the very idea in my country, I do not see. And it doesn’t make me happy at all.

        Here it is like that. request
        1. AID.S
          AID.S 25 September 2015 15: 43 New
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          It was a replica of Nagan's post about the quality of life.
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 25 September 2015 16: 05 New
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            Quote: AID.S
            about the quality of life.

            Terimn is not revealed, everyone interprets as he wants. As well as the "standard of living" by which they usually understand the "level of consumption". So, in the USA the quality of life is disgusting, the nation is literally sick, and without health there can be neither a standard of living, nor quality.
    5. Erg
      Erg 25 September 2015 07: 46 New
      +5
      Revolver. Why minus? You write everything correctly. But "there is a nuance." The inhabitants of country B have, as it were, in a milder way, a certain shift in consciousness. They consider themselves superhuman, and they fully admit that all their welfare is paid for by the blood of other peoples. And people in country A think that it’s impossible. It’s not divine ...
    6. andj61
      andj61 25 September 2015 08: 19 New
      +12
      If you just minus it, there’s not much point in it. Just let me debate. Let’s start with the main thing - we will start with the standard of living and income. You can’t put the United States on a par with other countries - this also applies to the leading European countries. The financial system and production structure are designed in such a way that the whole world works for the US and European countries (very few), and only they get cream. And of these incomes, they feed their population. So the quality of life is higher - due to the robbery (I'm not afraid of this word) of others.
      About the crime rate - you do not even need to talk. This is an individual issue, but in the United States it is higher than in Russia, and even more so than in Europe - and this is not an indicator. One or two psychopaths, or a dozen or two ideological ones (11. 09. or the Red Brigades in Germany) can bring down statistics in this direction of entire countries for many years. To be treated is also different here. In many countries there are narrow specialists who are superior to those from other countries - they go to them. Hispanic people now often go to Cuba for treatment - this is also an indicator, but it is unlikely that you will take it into account. Although it is clear who has more money, the one has higher diagnostic capabilities. And diagnostics now - 80 percent of success.
      About education - not even worth talking about. Despite many problems, our education is still higher than in the USA. And the ratings ... There was such a joke:
      - What is an American university?
      “This is the place where Russian professors teach Chinese students!”
      If you have mass media in your pocket, then you can draw any ratings!
      And it’s completely incomprehensible to me why the Massachusetts Technological Institute is listed extremely highly, and practically in no way inferior to it the MSTU. Bauman or the Ural Polytechnic University are not included in these ratings. Maybe that’s why they don’t come in, in the case of comparison, they took places only slightly lower, or even higher than the first? And do not give examples of the number of Nobel laureates - there, even Sakharov was not given a prize for physics research, and hell knows for what - because he opposed the system.
      And about the dream - the USSR did not become - and in the USA, dreams landed - and outside the house-grub-clothes, etc. don't go out. request
      There was a race for space - the first USSR. Then the race for the moon - the first United States. Prepared for the exploration of the moon and the race for Mars. The USSR did not - and degraded! Now no one has the opportunity to fly to the moon, and the United States is even losing the chance of flying into space. But the refrigerators are completely full, electronic gadgets change the most advanced ones every six months - this is a dream so a dream! bully But cars are now much less reliable than in the 80s-90s - compare the Golf 3 and Audi - 80,100 with the current ones - and the current ones are made specifically for the consumer society, so that after 10 years they’ll probably be disposed of and provided by others, more expensive, more elaborate, newer and more prestigious, although they are needed for the same thing - to transport yourself.
      And they make a race for elusive happiness like that - to have more new and more elusive gadgets - and is this a dream?
      As the girl says in a Russian advertisement of mayonnaise - one should dream about great things, not about food!
      1. Erg
        Erg 25 September 2015 09: 47 New
        +2
        Yes there was no moon lol . As we were the first in space in everything, we remain to this day. The USA is a country built on deception. Existing, while others believe in this deception. hi
      2. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 25 September 2015 14: 12 New
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        So the quality of life is higher - due to the robbery (I'm not afraid of this word) of others.


        And what surprises anyone here? Humanity is limited by the territory of planet Earth and the resources of planet Earth. Peoples can only survive at the expense of other peoples. States (and therefore the leadership of states) can survive only at the expense of their people. The difference can only be in the interaction, it will be parasitism or symbiosis. So it was and will be. And we are exactly the same. If we didn’t have such a huge territory on which purely statistically there would be more resources, we would have robbed Africa, Asia and other America in the same way. Now the screams will begin - Oh, you are so-and-so, we are not like that, we are angels in the flesh, you have sold yourself, you will perish ... For those screaming, I’ll remind you of serious conversations at VO that our special services need to arrange a massacre in the East so that the price of oil can be adjusted . I can continue the list of examples.

        about the crime rate - you don’t even need to talk. This is an individual issue, but in the USA it is higher than in Russia, and even more so than in Europe - and this is not an indicator.


        I agree only that the issue is an individual smile There are relations "citizen-state" and "citizen-citizen". In the first case, in any state a person has disenfranchised cattle. But in the second case, in countries “B”, the citizen-victim is more protected and they use this right there. I will explain with a simple example. Gopnik pressed the phone. Wrote a statement. He was taken by organs. Mom Gopnik ran to the victim with tears, do not ruin their son’s fate, take the statement. In country “A”, the application will be taken away in 99% (and this is wrong), in country “B” the application will not be taken away in 99% (and this is correct). There are a lot of options for such situations in real life, + corruption is higher with us, + a bunch of different nuances that can be painted for a long time. Hence the difference in the number of convicts.

        Despite many problems, our education is still higher than in the USA.

        This is a fallacy of our citizens, who live memories of education in the USSR. Already lower. It will be even lower.

        And it is absolutely incomprehensible to me why the Massachusetts Technological Institute is listed extremely highly, and practically in no way inferior to it MSTU. Bauman or the Ural Polytechnic University are not included in these ratings. Maybe that’s why they don’t come in, in the case of comparison, they took places only slightly lower, or even higher than the first?

        You can find on the net information about the number of REAL developments in the works of students and their curators for these three universities, thereby partially answering your question. For me personally, this is the main criterion.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 26 September 2015 05: 53 New
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          Quote: A vile skeptic
          Peoples can only survive at the expense of other peoples.

          The fact is that the countries of victorious Satanism, they are also the countries of the West, live INSTEAD. And the Russians live TOGETHER with other peoples.

          In countries of victorious Satanism, the population is being humanized at an increasing rate.

      3. venaya
        venaya 25 September 2015 16: 06 New
        -1
        Quote: andj61
        ... One or two psychopaths, or a dozen or two ideological (11. 09. or Red brigades in Germany) ...

        What I did not understand. Maybe he missed something about 9.11, and the Red Brigades too.
        Regarding 9.11. There was a New Zealand film (forbidden in the states) called "9.11 in plan", so it clearly shows, frame by frame, that the engines on the plane are not "Rolls-Royce" which should be on "Boing", but "Pratt & Whitney", which have never been put on a civilian "Boing", only the glider resembles a "Boing". But here is a catch, there are no viewing windows that stand on all civilian aircraft, and a huge radar antenna sticks out impudently from below, very durable, which were never placed on civilians. On examination, it turns out that this is a military "S-10", in a form very similar to Boing. In another film, the woman screams heart-rendingly: "this is not american airlines ... this is not american airlines" (trans.: It is not american airlines). I suspect that not only there were no passengers, but the crew too, evident by fantastic handling, with unacceptable overloads not only for passengers but also for the crew. Sounds like a very cool setup. Maybe I'm wrong? I doubt it.
        As for the "Red Brigades", so translate the name Rothschild from German (Dutch) to Russian, you will get a "red flag". Doesn’t resemble anything? And what comes out, who financed all these brigades? Not going to prompt. Nothing is free. If there are psychopaths, then very well paid.
    7. rosstov
      rosstov 25 September 2015 13: 57 New
      +1
      Oh, nonsense about education. We even have a provincial university of Voronezh, and even after all the idiotic reforms, it still shows a MUCH better level of education, for example, in languages. Look at least American Russists or correspondents working in Russia. The accent is monstrous, you can scare with oral speech instead of guns (in the sense of intelligibility). And these are those who have finished far from the worst of their institutions. It was also possible to compare historians with Cambridge diplomas. Not at all impressed. Look at the tales of the level of education in world rankings, and the real level of competence and professionalism of specialists. The level of American modern education simply shines on the face of a graduate philosopher Jane Psaki or philologist and historian Hilary Clinton ... squalor.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 25 September 2015 14: 21 New
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        Quote: rosstov
        Oh, nonsense about education.

        Despite many problems, our education is still higher than in the USA.

        This is a fallacy of our citizens, who live memories of education in the USSR. Already lower. It will be even lower.
        1. venaya
          venaya 25 September 2015 14: 53 New
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          Quote: A vile skeptic

          ... This is a delusion of our citizens who live memories of education in the USSR. Already lower. It will be even lower.

          It will be if we do not come to our senses in time.
      2. venaya
        venaya 25 September 2015 14: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: rosstov
        Oh, nonsense about education. ... The level of American modern education simply shines on the face of a certified philosopher Jane Psaki or philologist and historian Hilary Clinton ... squalor.

        If you form a business ..., then as a result, on the way out, anyway, business ... and it will turn out. The level of teaching staff has nothing to do with it. The system of paid education is intended to keep the rest in slavery. Education can only be achieved if the best teach the best. Otherwise, degradation.
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 25 September 2015 17: 44 New
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        Quote: rosstov
        philologist and historian Hilary Clinton ... squalor.

        Clintonsha is a lawyer by training, just like her husband. And to call it squalor will be, to put it mildly, a serious underestimation. But the fact that she is still the same [Canis lupus familiaris] female, and the blind can see.
  7. RomanS
    RomanS 25 September 2015 09: 12 New
    +1
    On the issue of ratings and statistics. Who makes them up and in what form submits. Who will say to himself out loud that he is a jerk? What a person, what the state advertise in itself the best, and in superlatives.
  8. Awaz
    Awaz 27 September 2015 21: 09 New
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    I think that one of the problems of the USSR was a good education of the population. It is very difficult to manage an educated, smart reader and an analysis-capable people. Our authorities are not very strong, for example, they differ from the Ukrainian, but for some reason we are proud of the name, although you should carefully listen to what they carry - their ears will fade. The people who manage us (well, those who are media) in the vast majority are not very different from Lyashko and the entire Ukrainian company. I understand that there are people about whom we hear a little but who pull everything (it’s not only Putin) and that’s why we poorly keep blows from the outside, but we have many problems not because of our “partners” but because of theft and stupidity managerial personnel.
    As we degrade little by little, we are becoming more and more manageable. With such ongoing creeping degradation, soon we will go to the pederast parades and absorb all the charms of the Western way of life without nausea ...
    And the patriotism to which we are called is a very subtle thing. Most recently, this same audience tried to unite us all with religion, but as if realizing that the people were dumb, but not as abruptly as we would like, they decided to refuse and now the theme of the Great Victory is on. Very good and lucky move. If it were also successfully used wisely, it would be possible to push people for a lot, but unfortunately the number of churches is growing approximately in proportion to the number of schools closing down ...