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Indonesia decided to buy Russian submarines

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Indonesia is ready to order submarines in Russia, the head of the Indonesian defense department, Riamizard Riachuda, told MPs. About this with reference to Tass writes Rossiyskaya Gazeta.




“New purchases are approved by the president. It is better to purchase five new submarines than ten used ones, ”the minister said, noting that the Russian Federation is the most likely supplier of submarines.

"Russian submarines can be under water longer and deeper than the rest," said Riachuda.

What kind of submarines we are talking about is not specified. However, in October 2014, the head of the Ministry of Industry of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov reported that Indonesians are considering the possibility of purchasing submarines of the 636 Varshavyanka project.

The newspaper also recalls that Indonesia recently decided to replace American fighters with Russian Su-35. “Now the fighter jets of production of the USA, China and Russia are in the arsenal of the republic,” told Riachuda. “The choice of Russian Su-35 is related to the fact that Russian fighters have a simpler maintenance process.”

The Minister noted that the aircraft will be acquired in stages, "based on the financial capabilities of the state."
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  1. Roman1970
    Roman1970 23 September 2015 13: 57 New
    +8
    Indonesia is ready to order submarines in Russia, the head of the Indonesian defense department, Riamizard Riachudu, told parliamentarians. About this with reference to TASS writes the Russian newspaper.
    I like it more. It’s just not so long ago, though not Indonesia, but India, asked to sell the rights (drawings, technologies) for the manufacture of a vessel (sorry, I forgot) ...
    1. SAG
      SAG 23 September 2015 14: 07 New
      16
      +8 skills to protect Indonesia ... waiting for a sequel drinks
      PS: Varshavyanka rename Jakartian already time comes)
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 23 September 2015 14: 09 New
        +9
        “Russian submarines can be longer and deeper under water than the rest,” said Riachudu
        This is the logic and no Mistral! laughing Handsome!
      2. Altona
        Altona 23 September 2015 14: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: SAG
        PS: Varshavyanka rename Jakartian already time comes)

        ----------------------
        In "Jimbaranka" still offer.))) For the protection of the coastal water area the diesel engine is the most ...
      3. Tektor
        Tektor 23 September 2015 23: 07 New
        0
        PS: Varshavyanka rename Jakartian already time comes)
        They have not yet decided what exactly, but they were talking about the Amur 1650 with VNEU ...
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 23 September 2015 13: 57 New
    +8
    For your money, even an aircraft carrier, but a cruiser for sure!
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 23 September 2015 14: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      For your money, even an aircraft carrier, but a cruiser for sure!

      For the cruiser is to Ukraine. They are just 90% ready-made missile cruiser of the Atlant project, which in Nikolaev rusts near the construction wall, are ready to sell to anyone. Although recently they still shouted that "Ukraine" is not for sale. Probably, the name will be changed.
      1. Jan Ivanov
        Jan Ivanov 23 September 2015 14: 39 New
        +6
        Did they make a bridge there? And then it will sink near the wall. )
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    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 23 September 2015 14: 03 New
      +9
      Australians have long been afraid of Indonesia’s growing military power ... It’s a pity they don’t have enough money ... again, we will trade through our own loans ... well, at least so ... it’s better than oil ...
  4. aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 23 September 2015 14: 00 New
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    ... All this is good ... But on what shipyards we will build ???? .... We don’t have time to rivet ourselves ... And the existing shipyards, as I understand, are loaded .....
    1. Maksus
      Maksus 23 September 2015 14: 01 New
      +4
      They took it right off the tongue ... And will this construction not go to the detriment of the Russian Navy?
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 23 September 2015 14: 06 New
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      Varshavyanka? On the Admiralteyskys of course! Their hand is already full, for 2 years they manage. They are now successfully building both for the Black Sea Fleet and for Vietnam. In 2016, they will start a couple more for Algeria. Do not worry, everyone will be happy - the project has been completed, there should not be any problems. Not all oil and gas are exported hi
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 September 2015 14: 20 New
        +8
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Will this construction work to the detriment of the Russian Navy?
        Arms business from the legal - the most profitable. It would be unprofitable - they would not build. It used to be: 1 boat sold abroad * brought * 1 "free" (off-budget) submarine for our Navy. There was enough money from the sale of 1 foreign submarine for the construction of both boats.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 23 September 2015 14: 30 New
          +2
          This is not what I said)
        2. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 23 September 2015 15: 25 New
          +2
          Alexander, you’ll tell us everything now, so foreigners will start to calculate the cost price and drop the price. :)
      2. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 23 September 2015 14: 41 New
        +1
        .... Do not worry, everyone will be happy - the project is worked out, there should not be any problems ....

        ... The question is not whether they can or cannot .... Are there free construction capacities .... As far as I know, they are riveting for the Black Sea Fleet at the Admiralty ....
      3. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 23 September 2015 15: 17 New
        +2
        In the east, it would unleash the construction of ships and submarines. After all, Komsomolsk-on-Amur even built the 667th "bukkahs", in Nizhny Novgorod they built diesel engines and torpedo nuclear powered ships, but not simple ones, of the 945th project ...
    3. avt
      avt 23 September 2015 14: 35 New
      0
      Quote: aleks 62 next
      ... All this is good ... But on what shipyards we will build ???? .... We don’t have time to rivet ourselves ... And the existing shipyards, as I understand, are loaded .....

      In the Far East, they’re going to turn around like that normally - Sechin will have more money to dump in the shipyard, well, this is apart from Admiralteysky and Sormovo. But the news is good.
      1. Denis_469
        Denis_469 23 September 2015 14: 40 New
        +3
        You can safely forget about the Far East. The only 636 under construction there will be ready, God willing, by 2020. Sormovo cannot be connected due to the lack of floating docks for transporting boats from there. Before 2025, the 199th plant would not be able to begin mass production of submarines. And pouring money there is useless.
  5. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 23 September 2015 14: 00 New
    +3
    Arms export is good! Anyway, better than exporting raw materials ...
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 23 September 2015 14: 04 New
      +2
      Of course, weapons are high-tech production.
  6. Raptor_RB
    Raptor_RB 23 September 2015 14: 01 New
    +4
    Indonesia is the most powerful potential ally in the region! The huge, just huge Muslim population is better to tidy to their side as soon as possible until the State Department is concerned about this.
    Yes, and there are some good islands, impressive) Maybe the allies will get a discount))
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 23 September 2015 19: 48 New
      0
      This is when they became an ally? When Sukarno were a little bit, and then the nose was turned away. Where you sit down, you get down. Islands with cannibals !!! It makes no difference to whom to eat, an ally or an evil enemy.
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  7. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 23 September 2015 14: 01 New
    +5
    Why not. In terms of price-quality-modernity, our Varshavyanki is in first place in its niche.
    But shipyards, shipyards ... Their congestion cannot fully ensure all demand. If anyone has information on this topic - share it.
    1. maxim1987
      maxim1987 23 September 2015 14: 25 New
      -1
      Quote: Corsair0304
      But shipyards, shipyards


      can Red Sormovo strain
      1. Denis_469
        Denis_469 23 September 2015 14: 32 New
        +2
        You can’t strain them. For transportation from there, floating docks are needed. And without them in any way. The floating docks of the USSR were cut after the collapse of the USSR so that Russia could not build submarines there. And now submarines cannot be delivered from there in any way. For this reason, the plant is not used for their construction.
  8. Engineer
    Engineer 23 September 2015 14: 03 New
    -2
    This is much better news than about Kaliningrad corvettes!
  9. silver_roman
    silver_roman 23 September 2015 14: 06 New
    +5
    "Russian submarines can be under water longer and deeper than the rest," said Riachuda.

    even though I am a fan of our weapons, but for the same Germans and the Dutch, the submarines already come with VNEU (non-volatile power plants - anaerobic), which I certainly can stay under water for longer than 636, because they do not need to pop up to recharge the batteries.
    We also saw on the Lada VNEU, but the fliers are silent about this.
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 23 September 2015 14: 26 New
      +1
      I doubt that the Germans will sell Indonesia the Germans will sell the boat with VNEU and even if they sell the issue of price here is also not the last for Indonesia (as is clear from the text of the news).
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    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 September 2015 14: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: silver_roman
      for the same Germans and like the Dutch, submarines already go with VNEU (non-volatile power plants - anaerobic)
      It's true. But! The Germans no longer know where to go with the high cost of servicing their submarines. The Hindus wanted to buy a "pack" (6 pcs) NPL Scorpien (Fr). But when they found out, “gallop” would have to be “hanged in grams” for them - they were very depressed and so far they paid only 2 units. Indonesia in terms of economic opportunities is not Germany, and not even India. Therefore, they write that, under other conditions, servicing 636 ave. Is cheaper. They know how to count money.
    4. Denis_469
      Denis_469 23 September 2015 14: 36 New
      0
      The Germans have the quality of submarines limping on both legs. Well, not high-quality weapons at the same time. Plus the lag in technology from us. Holland has not been building anything for a long time. And now she can’t build it herself. Since the design school has been lost, as well as specialists in the issuance of technical specifications and design. As for VNEU - so Japan has already abandoned it at the last type of its pl. VNEU turned out to be useless for conditions close to combat.
  10. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 23 September 2015 14: 06 New
    +5
    Well, a normal example. The country purchases weapons based on its performance characteristics and operation.
    Unlike the same Indians who themselves do not know what they want request Arms are gathered from all over the world, and then chukh turnip, how to organize logistics for the maintenance and supply of spare parts ...
  11. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 23 September 2015 14: 08 New
    +1
    Looks like there was a need to strengthen the fleet, especially since the Indonesian Navy has only 2 diesel submarines of Project 209 of the Cakra type, which will be 35 years old next year.
  12. starshina pv
    starshina pv 23 September 2015 14: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: aleks 62 next
    ... All this is good ... But on what shipyards we will build ???? .... We don’t have time to rivet ourselves ... And the existing shipyards, as I understand, are loaded .....

    Red Sormovo needs to be connected. Although everything is probably ruined there ?!
  13. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 23 September 2015 14: 14 New
    +5
    According to Varshavyanki such a list to date
    For China 10 built;
    For Vietnam, 4 are built, 2 are under construction;
    For Algeria, 2 are built, 2 will be built in 2016 (the contract is signed);
    For the Black Sea Fleet, 3 are built, 3 are under construction, and ours began to be ordered later than all.
    Good advertising came out to our shipbuilders, it is not for nothing that the Indonesians are now seriously interested.
    1. Raptor_RB
      Raptor_RB 23 September 2015 14: 18 New
      +1
      Thanks for the statue. I wanted to find out how many exported it was, I wanted to google in the end of watching comments, and you saved it. THX!
  14. veksha50
    veksha50 23 September 2015 14: 21 New
    0
    The news is good - both submarines and aircraft ...

    BUT ...
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 23 September 2015 15: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: veksha50
      The news is good - both submarines and aircraft ...

      BUT ...

      I’ll just give you an example of Uralvagonzavod. In Soviet times, this tank factory produced up to 1000 tanks per month. If Some workshops were desolate, now, in connection with the upcoming mass production of the T-14 tank and other armored vehicles based on the Armata, everything will probably be rebuilt and modernized.
      Smart entrepreneurs invest considerable money in expanding and modernizing production, and not just in their pocket, because future profits are many times greater than the immediate ones.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 23 September 2015 22: 24 New
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        Quote: Алексей_К
        Smart entrepreneurs invest considerable money in expanding and modernizing production, and not just in their pocket, because future profits are many times greater than the immediate ones.



        I completely agree ... However, in reality, there is a predominance of lovers of momentary profit, rather than working in the sweat of the face to expand production and make profit insure ... Many people want a lot today, but it doesn’t happen ... And if it happens, it’s only in dishonest trade, but by no means in production ...
  15. shelva
    shelva 23 September 2015 14: 28 New
    0
    It is nice to read news about the expansion of the Russian arms market. It is much more pleasant to trade arms than to buy, falling into dependence on ill-intentioned suppliers. Let's hope that the Mistral will not happen again.
  16. Denis_469
    Denis_469 23 September 2015 14: 28 New
    +2
    "What kind of submarines in question are not specified." - there have not yet decided. Initially, they wanted to buy from us 10 old boats of Project 877 from our fleet. But the day before yesterday at a meeting, the military proved to the President of Indonesia that 5 new boats would be better for the same money. Then the pilots came forward and said that they needed the money for new planes. To which the president replied that there were already enough aircraft, and that trash in the submarine fleet, which is and will need to be supplemented with quality boats from Russia. Junk is 2 available 209 and 3 under construction are the same. These are completely obsolete submarines. Now the Indonesians are deciding what to buy. Initially, they wanted boats of the project 636M, but now they are looking at the possibility of buying 677E.
    "However, in October 2014, the head of the Russian Industry Ministry, Denis Manturov, reported that the Indonesians were considering the possibility of purchasing submarines of Project 636 Varshavyanka." - you can not listen to this. At that time, Russia did not sell anything else, and now 677E is launched for export.
    The main advantage in the procurement of our boats and the rejection of further purchases of western boats was the qualitative superiority of Russian submarines in armament. So the Indonesians want to buy the whole range of missiles for submarines: anti-ship, cruise and anti-submarine. Nobody in the world provides such a thing to them except China. But Indonesians have bad relations with China.
  17. Jan Ivanov
    Jan Ivanov 23 September 2015 14: 39 New
    0
    The guys in Indonesia taste good: only the best))
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 23 September 2015 14: 43 New
      0
      No, it’s not about taste. The fact is that there is no one else to buy from. They ordered 3 in South Korea only because in Germany itself no one can already build these boats and guarantee the quality of their construction. Therefore, the Germans handed over all the blueprints to South Korea and they began to build them themselves. More precisely, boat blocks are built in Germany by sections and then those sections are sent to South Korea. Since Germany is not responsible for the build quality. In Germany, the opportunity to manufacture hull sections with machine-building precision has been lost. Therefore, the sections made in Germany are sent to South Korea for completion there and subsequent docking.
  18. ayuric
    ayuric 23 September 2015 14: 40 New
    0
    there will be advertising for our submarines when Vietnam begins training in new Warsaw towns, and this is not far off, the east will be eyeing it.
  19. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 23 September 2015 14: 48 New
    0
    Off the coast of Indonesia is the Strait of Malacca, which, along with the Suez and Panama Canals, is one of the most important sea lanes. This is the main route connecting the Indian Ocean with the Pacific, through which communication is carried out between the most important states of the world - China, Japan, India and Indonesia. About 50 thousand vessels pass through the strait annually, with a quarter of the total maritime turnover and oil transportation, and this turnover is constantly growing.
    In the Phillips Canal area off the coast of Singapore, with a length of 805 kilometers, the width of the strait is only 2,5 kilometers - this is the bottleneck on transportation routes.
    It would be nice to make friends with Indonesia and build a couple of military bases on the shores of the Strait of Malacca and begin to control the movement of all ships, especially paying attention to the military of potential enemies.
    On the southern shores of Indonesia there is a wider strait between Indonesia and Australia. And it would not hurt to have a couple of larger military bases with the goal of material and technical support for the future South Ocean Fleet.
    It’s time to block at least these transport arteries to the Americans.
    And it’s time for Australia to start spending money on the arms race, otherwise they’ll pour mud on us, it’s time to take charge of the “bazaar”, let them cut off all social programs and see what the riot of the population is and the depreciation of their currency.
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 23 September 2015 14: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Алексей_К
      And it’s time for Australia to start spending money on the arms race, otherwise they’ll pour mud on us, it’s time to be responsible for the “bazaar”

      Already responsible for the bazaar. The order for 12 new boats has already increased to 20 billion US dollars - but they cannot buy anywhere else. This is the price of 1 future diesel engine for more than 1 billion US dollars. Which is 3 times more than the usual price of diesel engines.
  20. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 23 September 2015 15: 01 New
    +1
    Well, it looks like the Indonesians have decided to purchase Varshavyanka Ave. 636, this is certainly good, but for now we’re not going to bring the 677 Ave Lada X with an anaerobic system to anything else we can offer ...
    Navy Indonesia:
    -2 The Cakra-type diesel-electric submarines of the German 209 1981 project were built, upgraded in South Korea in the 2004-2006, the planned purchase of 2018 submarines from the South Korean 3 advanced project of South Korean-built 214.

    -6 frigates Ahmad Yani Class former Dutch Van Speijk, 1965-1967 built, transferred to the Indonesian Navy in 1986-1989 gg. On one of them, Oswald Siahaan (w / o 354), the 4 PU of our supersonic PKNK 3М55Е Yakhont is installed.

    To replace them, it is planned to build 6 frigates of the Dutch project Sigma 10514. The first was laid in January 2014, the launch is planned in 2016, the transfer of the Navy in 2017.
    -3 corvette type Bung Tomo. Originally built the Navy of Brunei. However, although all three ships with a full tonnage of 1940 tons were completed in 2003-2004, the Bruneian side refused to accept them, arguing that the conditions of the technical task were not fulfilled (in fact, for financial reasons). Finally, after the trial, in June 2007, the parties reached an agreement on the formal adoption of these corvettes by Brunei, followed by immediate resale to a third country. For six years, corvettes defended in England, while Brunei tried to find a buyer for them. Ultimately, in November 2012, a memorandum on the acquisition of these three corvettes was signed by the Indonesian Navy. The contract worth 385 million was allegedly finalized by Indonesia at the end of 2013 and June-August 2014. The corvettes were transferred to the Indonesian Navy. Before the transfer of Indonesia, the ships underwent a partial modernization, in particular replacing the outdated Seawolf SAM with a new MBDA VL MICA complex.
    -4 Corvette Diponegoro type Dutch project Sigma 9113
    -3 corvette type Fatahillah 1977-1979 gg. Dutch built
    -16 patrol ships (corvettes) such as Kapitan Patimura, such as Parchim built by the former GDR, are similar to our IPC Ave 133.1 on the BF. Sold in 1992 year. Some of them are re-armed with the Chinese 30-mm seven-barreled anti-aircraft artillery complex type 730.
    - 21 rocket boat of Indonesian construction (another 4 project of Klewang is being built)
    - 44 artillery boats
    - 2 minesweeper French project Tripartite
    - 9 minesweepers pr. 89.2 (Kondor) former NNA GDR
    Amphibious forces
    4 amphibious assault ship-dock-type Makassar-South Korean project. The first is built in South Korea, 3 rest in Indonesia.
    7 TDK Indonesian built
    5 TDK type Tacoma American built during the Second World War
    12 KFOR of the Frosch type, built by the GDR (108 project), was purchased in all by 13, but one KRI Teluk Peleng was sunk on 18 in November of 2013 during the Yakhont test.
  21. superoper
    superoper 23 September 2015 15: 19 New
    +1
    Indonesian elephant the best friend of the Russian elephant
  22. proletarian
    proletarian 23 September 2015 23: 16 New
    0
    So, Russia is slowly “squeezing” its right to “big geopolitics” from the USA, there is armaments, there is energy, Somewhere finances, while it’s mildly not intrusive, and even the most “blinded” ones are slowly turning towards Russia, which can be said Well, very polite people, Russian.