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Britain intends to modernize its tanks in connection with the advent of "Armata" in Russia

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The leadership of the British Ministry of Defense tasked with studying the possibilities of modernization tank Challenger 2 either to work out a decision on the creation of a new type of main tanks, reports Look with reference to the head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Kingdom of Nick Carter.



Speaking at a military exhibition in London on September 16, Carter noted that "the future of the Challenger 2 tank is being considered at the highest level in the army."

According to the general, as part of the cardinal modernization of the vehicle, the issue of creating a new tank is also being considered. The final decision has not yet been made.

Some British officers openly announced the obsolescence of the tank gun (L30A1 120 mm) and ammunition for it, which "are unable to penetrate the armor of the Armata".

As foreign media write, "the new Russian T-14 tank is superior to Western developments of a similar class." And, according to the Japanese publication "The Diplomat", the T-14 "may turn out to be the deadliest tank in the world."
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  1. vorobey
    vorobey 23 September 2015 08: 32
    +22
    Apparently there is something in the "cardboard" constantly deafening armature .. if .. a massive armored diarrhea has begun
    1. Name
      Name 23 September 2015 08: 39
      +7
      Quote: vorobey
      ... widespread armored diarrhea began

      hi Oh, it started ... Especially on the Ruin "At the exhibition" Arms and Security -2015 "that opened in Kiev on Tuesday, Ukrainian enterprises showed a number of new samples of armored vehicles of their own design." Pay attention to the 1st photo: on the second right and fourth left wheels. "Varan" however.
      see http://vz.ru/news/2015/9/22/768267.html
      1. Reducer
        Reducer 23 September 2015 08: 56
        +7
        In continuation of new products from Kiev: on "Triton" the step can be used for drying clothes! A very thoughtful option!
        1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
          Vladimir Pozlnyakov 23 September 2015 09: 32
          +5
          What does drying clothes have to do with it? This is an option for convenient leg support when changing diapers! The laundry is dried on the hood!
        2. crazyrom
          crazyrom 23 September 2015 19: 17
          +2
          As it turns out, we just showed our supposedly "cardboard" Armata, and the whole West rushed to pour billions into the modernization of their tanks. Already a victory, they are wasting money (in vain, no modernization will save them from Armata)
      2. Babr
        Babr 23 September 2015 08: 59
        -24
        Quote: vorobey
        Apparently there is something in the "cardboard" constantly deafening armature .. if .. a massive armored diarrhea has begun

        Of course there is. From the budget, 400, but in fact 50. Business, nothing personal. The country has turned into the same "cardboard" fittings.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 23 September 2015 09: 02
          +12
          Quote: Babr
          From the budget, 400, but in fact 50.


          give the alignment more precisely ... and not just blah blah ..
          1. Babr
            Babr 23 September 2015 09: 29
            -11
            Quote: vorobey
            give the alignment more precisely ... and not just blah blah ..

            I can’t say more precisely. But probably no one can. The secret is sealed with seven seals.
            But here ... Right away I want to make a reservation from the speaker not happy, but I think that he is right.
            1. Babr
              Babr 23 September 2015 09: 38
              -5
              the trick was not successful, probably the fakir was drunk. lol The second attempt.
              In, it worked.
            2. vorobey
              vorobey 23 September 2015 09: 40
              +5
              Quote: Babr
              I can’t say more precisely.Yes, probably no one can. The secret is sealed. But here ... Just want to make a reservation from the narrator is not happy, but I think he's right


              I wonder why you think that he is right .. and immediately give it out as the truth .. I can not look at the video, it gives an error ..

              The Uralvagonzavod corporation has agreed with the military the price of the T-14 Armata tank, which had previously been criticized as too expensive, reports TASS with reference to Vyacheslav Khalitov, deputy general director of UVZ for special equipment. According to representatives of the plant, the manufacturer will work to reduce the price when the tank goes into large-scale production.

              The agreed price for the new tank, which was launched in limited series production last year, has not yet been announced. The situation was explained to Lente.ru by a military expert, reserve colonel Viktor Murakhovsky: “There are no prices for a tank, there is a price of work, which includes both the price of building prototypes and the price of development. Of course, the first cars will go gold. In addition, a number of manufacturers of key components receive funds for their products directly from the Ministry of Defense, and Uralvagonzavod already receives ready-made components and assemblies from them for installation on its vehicle. Therefore, it is difficult to talk about the price of the tank now, ”Murakhovsky said.

              Earlier, Oleg Bochkarev, deputy chairman of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission, said that the cost of the new Armata tanks was too high. According to him, the contract with the tank-producing UVZ has been signed for three years, and the price of the combat vehicles has already been determined. “But we need to work further, we criticize UVZ for its high cost,” Bochkarev said.

              The estimated cost of the tank in the series has not yet been announced in open sources. Previously, representatives of UVZ indicated that it should be about half that of competitors. Considering that the cost of modernizing modern Western main battle tanks in the most advanced versions can reach $ 10 million or more, it can be assumed that the price of a serial tank was assumed to be in the range of $ 4-5 million (at the exchange rate at the beginning of autumn 2014). Thus, the Armata tank at this rate should have cost a little more than the T-90 tank, the price of which for the Ministry of Defense was about 120 million rubles, which is about $ 2011 million at the weighted average rate of XNUMX.
              http://lenta.ru/news/2015/01/20/armata/

              Prices for the T-14 were not published in open sources. In early 2015, it was reported that a three-year contract had been signed and the price of the tank in small-scale production had been agreed upon. Deputy Chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission Oleg Bochkarev said that this price is too high, and the manufacturer must work to reduce the cost. According to representatives of UVZ, the price of a product in large-scale production will be significantly lower. If we compare the price of the T-14 with the prices of modern models of western MBT, then we can assume that the T-14 will be almost 2 times cheaper: about $ 5 million (which is slightly more expensive than the T-90AM). http://wiki.worldweapons.ru/%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B8/%D1%82-14_%D0%B0%D1%8

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              1. Babr
                Babr 23 September 2015 10: 00
                -4
                I beg your pardon, but alternative points of view are closer to me, as opposed to official ones.
                And the officials are hanging on to their ears.
                How did they take us in the Cold War? False information. And the war goes on.
                I don’t believe Demura either. But I understand his words. There is a cut at all levels.
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 23 September 2015 10: 23
                  +3
                  Quote: Babr
                  I beg your pardon, but alternative points of view are closer to me, as opposed to the official ones.


                  plus, perhaps ... no one forbids it, but it's still better to analyze it yourself and not blindly believe ... because
                  Quote: Babr
                  And the war goes on.
                  1. Babr
                    Babr 23 September 2015 10: 35
                    -3
                    Alexander: But I do not blindly believe. I have methodological knowledge that helps me to throw the wheat from the chaff.
                    Do you want to share? This is General (not like we are cardboard) Petrov. hi
                    1. Babr
                      Babr 23 September 2015 14: 14
                      +1
                      By the way, Alexander: Did you notice this peculiarity? Even on a black screen, 7 cons? And not a single comment. (Not taking into account yours) There is a complete falsification of the opinion. War, informational. Unfortunately, I do not have such a "telepathic" vision as the moderators.
                      Otherwise I would say what I think of them. To everyone's face.
                      Gaskets. And without wings.
                      1. Chertkov Oleg
                        Chertkov Oleg 23 September 2015 17: 28
                        +1
                        In, it turned out

                        Delirium of a gray mare. One statement was enough ".. I am not a patriot of the country, I am a patriot of the people." Our country will not give one and the other, we need to defend it, and not squeeze from the screen and similar comments above about Babr.
                      2. Babr
                        Babr 24 September 2015 00: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: Oleg Chertkov
                        ".. I am not a patriot of the country, I am a patriot of the people."

                        The country in which the people live is occupied. Do not understand this, lick the ass of the occupier.
                      3. vorobey
                        vorobey 23 September 2015 20: 57
                        +3
                        Quote: Babr
                        By the way, Alexander: Did you notice this peculiarity? Even on a black screen, 7 cons?


                        and this should not be offended and should not be paid attention to.

                        Quote: Babr
                        there is no such "telepathic" vision as the moderators have.


                        it’s for the best, believe me .. otherwise it would have been a hack here once again .. before two years ago, here wall to wall came out in the literal sense of the word, and now many people prefer to put a minus or plus and leave ... some topics are already on the third to fourth rounds go .. the main thing is that you have achieved the result of course, you heard and paid attention ... on which side you find yourself and how much they will listen to you further depends on you and on the direction in which direction you think ...
                      4. Babr
                        Babr 24 September 2015 03: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: vorobey
                        it's for the best, believe me

                        Do not know. Better or worse. But when you know the thoughts of your opponent (eamet, not the enemy), it is easier to communicate. And when you stand like a Christmas tree, hung with minuses, and not a single comment, you wonder if I'm right or wrong?
                        Here, there is probably still a rating indicator, which is very important.
                        Many people perceive VO as an exciting game. And once again to get a minus is to go down a step lower.
                        It's nice to communicate with "big stars", even if you don't agree with them.
                        They have been ill with this. Even with the "junior command staff", but it is usually banned more than once. lol hi
    2. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 23 September 2015 09: 36
      +1
      .... He looks quite formidable .... And what is it at the end of the barrel ???? .... Front sight ??????? :)))) ... Connoisseurs .... Please clarify ....
      1. spech
        spech 23 September 2015 10: 51
        0
        .And what is it at the end of the barrel ???? .... Front sight ??????? :))))

        reflector of the barrel curvature sensor.
    3. marlin1203
      marlin1203 23 September 2015 09: 45
      +2
      About 400 of these challengers were released. That is, there is not so much to upgrade. And they most likely will not pull a fundamentally new tank. Americans haven't reacted yet laughing
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 September 2015 20: 35
        +1
        Quote: marlin1203
        About 400 of these challengers were released. That is, there is not so much to upgrade.

        Excuse me, but why does an island state, which no one attacks, and which has new tanks under the "roof" of the United States? Who are they going to fight with? , tank building and P_i_n_d_o_stan over the past 70 years, the most belligerent state. And where will the English brave tankers flaunt their tanks? In the ocean?
  2. Sergey K.
    Sergey K. 23 September 2015 08: 33
    +1
    While the British are developing and creating a new tank, we will already release the T-15.
    1. trenitron
      trenitron 23 September 2015 08: 39
      +2
      So there is already
    2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 23 September 2015 08: 50
      0
      And the T-16 has been producing for a long time wink
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 23 September 2015 09: 03
        +3
        Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
        And the T-16 has been producing for a long time wink


        This is even a passed stage .. since 1924 ..
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 23 September 2015 09: 46
          +4
          Quote...
          And the T-16 has been producing for a long time

          For a long time. A long time ago...
          laughing wassat smile
      2. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 23 September 2015 09: 05
        +6
        You swim fine! Take it deeper: somewhere in the underground cities of the Urals, the development of a T-800 with artificial intelligence and a speech synthesizer is already underway, which can disguise itself as people due to its external resemblance to them. soldier laughing
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 23 September 2015 10: 16
          -1
          Quote...
          You swim fine! Take it deeper: somewhere in the underground cities of the Urals, the development of a T-800 with artificial intelligence and a speech synthesizer is already underway, which can disguise itself as people due to its external resemblance to them.

          Transformers again? Can't you invent anything new? X .. Bad ..
  3. Ai yai
    Ai yai 23 September 2015 08: 34
    +3
    Something the British began to slow down))) Later the rest realized laughing
    The others began to squeak long ago
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 September 2015 08: 56
      -2
      Quote: Ay Yai
      The others began to squeak long ago

      Well, if it has a positive effect on your digestion - let it "squeak" ....
    2. Engineer
      Engineer 23 September 2015 08: 59
      +5
      In England, there has long been a debate about the advisability of tanks as such. And the fact that Challenger 2 appeared is generally a merit of the country's government, which decided to save Vicker from bankruptcy. It is worth learning from the British about caring for domestic producers. What would happen to UVZ, if the Indians did not buy the T-90S, it's scary to think.
  4. Yunik
    Yunik 23 September 2015 08: 36
    +5
    Cardboard or not cardboard, but already the effect around the world, for billions of dollars, they launch the modernization of the main tanks.
    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 23 September 2015 08: 52
      +3
      And they will bash ours for the promotion of a new generation of tanks?
  5. vovanpain
    vovanpain 23 September 2015 08: 36
    +11
    As Armata scared everyone, at first the nemchura with the paddling pads began to stir now the Britos, well, well
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 23 September 2015 08: 54
      +4
      Quote: vovanpain
      As Armata scared everyone, at first the nemchura with the paddling pads began to stir now the Britos, well, well


      And only the Americans are quietly silent but quickly and actively sell their uranium scrap ..
  6. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 23 September 2015 08: 37
    +4
    "" Britain intends to modernize its tanks in connection with the appearance of the "Armata" in Russia ""
    all three and a half tanks;)
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 September 2015 09: 06
      +1
      Quote: Russian Uzbek
      "" Britain intends to modernize its tanks in connection with the appearance of the "Armata" in Russia ""
      all three and a half tanks;)

      Challenger 2 - 412 tanks, as of 2010.
      1. Russian Uzbek
        Russian Uzbek 23 September 2015 09: 16
        +1
        very happy for them ...
      2. plow
        plow 23 September 2015 10: 42
        +1
        Compared to 60 thousand Soviet tanks, not counting the monuments that also shoot - 412 is really three and a half.
      3. svp67
        svp67 23 September 2015 20: 28
        -1
        Quote: Bayonet
        Challenger 2 - 412 tanks, as of 2010.
  7. Same lech
    Same lech 23 September 2015 08: 37
    +3
    Good tanks can be made in EUROPE only by the Germans and partly by the French, the Germans have a very good tank building school since the Second World War.
    And the British, despite the fact that they are the ancestors of the use of tanks, were not noted for anything outstanding here.
    I do not believe that the British will have a breakthrough tank.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 23 September 2015 08: 41
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I do not believe that the British will have a breakthrough tank.

      Naturally, there is even an unofficial anthem: "Rule Britain over the seas and waves!"
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 23 September 2015 08: 56
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I do not believe that the British will have a breakthrough tank.


      You have a short memory smile

      Fearless and invulnerable, he rushes with all his bulk into the very heat of battle, under shells and bullets, freely takes the enemy's trenches, like an empty, insignificant obstacle, and, sowing destruction and death around him, calmly returns to his regiment. British soldiers named this new comrade of arms "tank" ("tank").

      ("Niva" magazine, No. 4 for 1917)
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 23 September 2015 09: 09
        +1
        You have a short memory


        Nea VADIM disagree ...)))


        On November 23, the British tried to renew the offensive. The surprise effect was gone, and tanks were no longer massaged. The Germans repulsed a new attack of the 51st division with 24 tanks of the 2nd brigade on Fontaine-Notre-Dame, knocking out 18 tanks (11 of them - by direct hit of shells). The 23 vehicles of the 3rd Tank Brigade that came up did not help either. On the streets of the village, tanks were struck by bundles of hand grenades and fire from the upper floors of buildings - even then it was concluded that "fighting in settlements is least favorable for tanks."
        On November 27, the British made a last attempt at an offensive, but the Germans had already prepared an anti-tank defense, and of 32 tanks only 13 survived.

        Urgently pulling up reserves to the section of the breakthrough, the German troops stopped the British, and on November 30 they launched a counterattack. The exhausted Tank Corps at this time was withdrawn to the rear. Nevertheless, on November 30, the 2nd Tank Brigade, which was preparing for loading, received an order to advance for a counterattack. By 16.00, 73 tanks arrived in the battle zone, which counterattacked the German units together with the 2nd Guards and 2nd Cavalry Divisions. By December 6, the Germans had pushed the British back by 30 - 2 km along the entire 4-kilometer front of the operation, but were unable to surround them and return the first two positions of the Siegfried Line.
        As a result of the counterattack at Cambrai, the Reichswehr captured about 100 MkIVs as trophies, mostly out of order.

        This is how the Germans, having recovered from the first shock, thrashed the Anglo-Saxons at the most ...

        источник...http://bronetexnika.moy.su/publ/primenie_tankov_mk_i_vi_1/7-1-0-287
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    4. avt
      avt 23 September 2015 09: 18
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      And the British, despite the fact that they are the ancestors of the use of tanks, were not noted for anything outstanding here.

      Generally by booking. They are protected quite well, albeit at the expense of mobility.
  8. VP
    VP 23 September 2015 08: 38
    +4
    You can't just change the gun. At a minimum, it will be necessary to change the tower, charging mechanisms, think about placing another ammo, make changes to the ballistic computer.
    In general, the hemorrhoids are still. This is even if there is already another weapon. And if not, then develop it from 0, and think about ammunition.
  9. Engineer
    Engineer 23 September 2015 08: 48
    +1
    Maximum will replace their 105ku with a German 120mm.
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 23 September 2015 08: 52
      +4

      Quote: Engineer
      Maximum will replace their 105ku with a German 120mm.



      Some British officers openly announced the obsolescence of the tank gun (L30A1 120 mm) and ammunition for it, which "are unable to penetrate the armor of the Armata".
    2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 23 September 2015 08: 54
      +5
      Their 105 is certainly cool, but 35 mm have been installed on tanks for 120 years.
      1. Rader
        Rader 23 September 2015 19: 54
        +1
        Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Their 105 is certainly cool, but 35 mm have been installed on tanks for 120 years.

        That's for sure ... It should also be noted that the L30A1 is a rifled cannon (no one else in the world uses anesthesia guns of 120, 125mm caliber.)
  10. Tusv
    Tusv 23 September 2015 08: 50
    +2
    What makes the usual Victory Parade for us. What if the T-50 was ready to fly over paving stones? Raptors would immediately need modernization
  11. roskot
    roskot 23 September 2015 08: 52
    +4
    Why don't you upgrade there, but from the taiga to the British seas Our army is the strongest. !!!
  12. Oberon 1
    Oberon 1 23 September 2015 08: 55
    +2
    So far, tank number 1 in the world is the old T-34, according to the Americans themselves. A tank that was really massively produced and showed itself excellently in combat conditions.
  13. NewDoctor
    NewDoctor 23 September 2015 08: 55
    +4
    Armata is cardboard ... and why do they have such a bathhert about this? are their tanks really paper soldier
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 23 September 2015 09: 01
      +1
      actually plastic fool
  14. afrikanez
    afrikanez 23 September 2015 09: 01
    +1
    Fear us ......... SU.I! angry
  15. spech
    spech 23 September 2015 09: 03
    +3
    I don’t know whether it’s true or not, but I heard that there are more generals in the army of small britain than tanks.
  16. NEXUS
    NEXUS 23 September 2015 09: 14
    +3
    It is easy to say that it is necessary to build a new tank, and even a robotic one. But in practice it is 7-10 years, subject to funding and the availability of technology. Even the Germans, one of the leaders of tank building, say that they will have something similar to the Armata. in 7-10 years. So "cut Shura, she is golden" laughing
  17. pvv113
    pvv113 23 September 2015 09: 24
    0
    Britain intends to modernize its tanks in connection with the advent of "Armata" in Russia

    Anglo-Saxons bustled
  18. SergeyIV
    SergeyIV 23 September 2015 10: 03
    0
    Wow British technique that must be sooo cool! There are even tanks in England! Famously! They probably even fire a cannon? wassat
  19. plow
    plow 23 September 2015 10: 23
    0
    Where is Britain and where is Russia, where did they gather with their tanks to meet the Russians? With such statements, small-shaven people constantly emphasize that they are our eternal opponents anywhere, in any issue.
  20. AKESHA
    AKESHA 23 September 2015 11: 49
    0
    We must finish off the British to the end, show them our construction battalion, these can fight without weapons at all.
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 September 2015 20: 20
    0
    The British, I think, will not be able to make the next tank entirely by themselves. The combined hodgepodge will turn out to be of the "Merkava" type. The engine is American, the box is the same, the gun is Germany. They don't need a lot of tanks, there are no sanctions. It's cheaper than doing everything yourself. Or they will enter into an alliance with Germany and France.
  22. arrows
    arrows 23 September 2015 21: 13
    0
    The mass will increase by 5-6 tons of commercials ??
  23. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 25 September 2015 16: 08
    0
    Does the Challenger have a specially made notch in the front plate and at the bottom of the tower? To make the shells fly deeper?