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Britain intends to modernize its tanks in connection with the advent of "Armata" in Russia

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The leadership of the Ministry of Defense of Britain was tasked with exploring the possibilities of modernization tank Challenger 2 either work out a decision to create a new type of main tanks, reports Look With reference to the head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Kingdom of Nick Carter.




Speaking at 16 in September at a military exhibition in London, Carter noted that "the future of the Challenger 2 tank is considered at the highest level in the army."

According to the general, in the framework of a radical modernization of the machine, the issue of creating a new tank is also being considered. No final decision has yet been made.

Some British officers openly declared that the tank gun (L30A1 120 mm) and its ammunition, which “are unable to penetrate the reservation of the Armata”, are obsolete.

As foreign media write, “the new Russian T-14 tank surpasses Western developments of a similar class.” And, according to the Japanese edition of The Diplomat, the T-14 "may be the most deadly tank in the world."
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  1. vorobey
    vorobey 23 September 2015 08: 32 New
    22
    Видимо в "картонной" постоянно глохнущей армате все же что то есть.. если.. началась повальная бронетанковая диарея
    1. Name
      Name 23 September 2015 08: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: vorobey
      . general diarrhea started

      hi Oh, it began ... Especially on the Ruin "На открывшейся во вторник в Киеве выставке «Оружие и безопасность -2015» украинские предприятия показали ряд новых образцов бронетанковой техники собственной разработки." Обратите внимание 1-ое фото:на второе правое и четвертое левые колеса. "Варан" однако.
      see http://vz.ru/news/2015/9/22/768267.html
      1. Reducer
        Reducer 23 September 2015 08: 56 New
        +7
        В продолжение новинок из Киева: на "Тритоне" ступенька может использоваться для сушки белья! Очень предусмотрительная опция!
        1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
          Vladimir Pozlnyakov 23 September 2015 09: 32 New
          +5
          And here is drying clothes? This is an option for the convenience of leg support when changing diapers! Laundry is dried on the hood!
        2. crazyrom
          crazyrom 23 September 2015 19: 17 New
          +2
          Во как получается, мы только показали нашу якобы "картонную" Армату, и есь запад бросился вливать миллиарды в модернизацию своих танков. Уже победа, они тратят деньги (впустую, никакая модернизация их от Арматы не спасёт)
      2. Babr
        Babr 23 September 2015 08: 59 New
        -24
        Quote: vorobey
        Видимо в "картонной" постоянно глохнущей армате все же что то есть.. если.. началась повальная бронетанковая диарея

        Конечно есть.Из бюджета, 400, а по факту 50. Бизнес, ничего личного.Страна превратилась в такую же "картонную" армату.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 23 September 2015 09: 02 New
          12
          Quote: Babr
          From the budget, 400, and in fact 50.


          give the layout more precisely ... and not just blah blah ..
          1. Babr
            Babr 23 September 2015 09: 29 New
            -11
            Quote: vorobey
            give the layout more precisely ... and not just blah blah ..

            I can’t say more precisely. Yes, probably no one can. Secret behind seven seals.
            But here ...... I want to make a reservation at once from the expouncer not enthusiastically, but I think that he is right.
            1. Babr
              Babr 23 September 2015 09: 38 New
              -5
              the focus failed, probably the fakir was drunk. lol The second attempt.
              In, it turned out.
            2. vorobey
              vorobey 23 September 2015 09: 40 New
              +5
              Quote: Babr
              I can’t say more precisely.Yes, probably no one can. Secret behind seven seals. But here ...... I want to make a reservation at once from the exponent is not enthusiastic, but I think that he is right


              that's interesting why do you think that he is right .. and then give out as the truth .. I can’t look at the video, it gives an error ..

              Uralvagonzavod Corporation agreed with the military on the price of the Armata T-14 tank, which had previously been criticized as too expensive, TASS reports citing Vyacheslav Halitov, deputy director general of UVZ for special equipment. According to representatives of the plant, the manufacturer will work to lower the price when the tank enters large-scale production.

              Согласованная цена нового танка, ограниченное серийное производство которого было запущено в прошлом году, пока не называется. Ситуацию пояснил «Ленте.ру» военный эксперт, полковник запаса Виктор Мураховский: «Цены танка по сути пока нет, есть цена работы, включающая как цену постройки опытных образцов, так и цену разработок. Конечно, первые машины выйдут "золотыми". Кроме того, ряд производителей ключевых агрегатов получают средства за свои изделия непосредственно от Минобороны, а «Уралвагонзавод» уже от них получает готовые узлы и агрегаты для установки на свою машину. Поэтому сейчас говорить о цене танка сложно» — сказал Мураховский.

              Earlier, the deputy chairman of the board of the Military Industrial Commission Oleg Bochkarev said that the cost of new Armata tanks is too high. According to him, the contract with the UVZ tank-producing tank was signed for three years, and the price of combat vehicles has already been determined. “But we need to work further, we criticize UVZ for the high cost,” Bochkarev said.

              The estimated cost of the tank in the series has not yet been announced in open sources. Earlier, representatives of UVZ indicated that it should be approximately half that of competitors. Considering that the price of modernization of modern western main battle tanks in the most advanced versions can reach $ 10 million or more, it can be assumed that the price of a production tank was supposed to be in the range of $ 4-5 million (at the rate at the beginning of autumn 2014). Thus, the Armata tank at this rate should have been a little more expensive than the T-90 tank, the price of which for the Ministry of Defense was about 120 million rubles, which is about four million dollars at the weighted average rate in 2011.
              http://lenta.ru/news/2015/01/20/armata/

              Prices for the T-14 in open sources were not published. At the beginning of 2015, it was reported that a contract was signed for three years and the price of the tank in small-scale production was agreed. The deputy chairman of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission Oleg Bochkarev said that this price is too high, and the manufacturer should work to reduce the cost. According to representatives of UVZ, the price of the product in large-scale production will be significantly lower. If we compare the price of the T-14 with the prices of modern models of Western MBT, we can assume that the T-14 will be almost 2 times cheaper: about $ 5 million (which is slightly more expensive than the T-90AM). http://wiki.worldweapons.ru/%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B8/%D1%82-14_%D0%B0%D1%8

              0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0
              1. Babr
                Babr 23 September 2015 10: 00 New
                -4
                I apologize, but I am closer to alternative points of view, unlike official ones.
                And the official hang noodles on the ears.
                What took us in the cold war? False information. But the war continues.
                Demure and I don’t believe. But I can understand his words. He’s cutting at all levels.
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 23 September 2015 10: 23 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Babr
                  I apologize, but alternative points of view, unlike official ones, are closer to me. And official ones hang noodles on ears.


                  plus perhaps ... no one forbids but it is still better to analyze independently and not blindly believe ... because
                  Quote: Babr
                  But the war continues.
                  1. Babr
                    Babr 23 September 2015 10: 35 New
                    -3
                    Alexander. And I don’t blindly believe. I have methodological knowledge that helps me throw grain away from the chaff.
                    Do you want to share? This is the general (not that we are cardboard) Petrov. hi
                    1. Babr
                      Babr 23 September 2015 14: 14 New
                      +1
                      Кстати.Александр.Не заметил такую особенность? Даже на черный экран, 7 минусов? И ни одного комента.(не принимая во внимания твоего) Идет сплошная подтасовка мнения.Война, информационная.К сожалению у меня нет такого"телепатического" зрения, как у модераторов.
                      Otherwise, I would say that I think about them. Everyone in the face.
                      Gaskets. And without wings.
                      1. Chertkov Oleg
                        Chertkov Oleg 23 September 2015 17: 28 New
                        +1
                        In, it turned out

                        Бред сивого кобыла. Хватило одного высказывания ".. Я не патриот страны, я патриот народа".. Одно без другого не может существовать уже несколько десятков веков, если что. Страна у нас одна и другой не дадут, защищать её нужно, а не ср'ать с экрана и подобных выше комментах, касательно "Бабр".
                      2. Babr
                        Babr 24 September 2015 00: 53 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Oleg Chertkov
                        ".. Я не патриот страны, я патриот народа"..

                        The country in which the people live is occupied. Do not understand this, lick your ass with an occupant.
                    2. vorobey
                      vorobey 23 September 2015 20: 57 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Babr
                      By the way, Alexander did not notice this feature? Even on a black screen, 7 minuses?


                      but you should not be offended and should not pay attention.

                      Quote: Babr
                      нет такого"телепатического" зрения, как у модераторов.


                      this is for the best believe .. otherwise it would have been chopped up once at a time .. before a year or two ago here a wall went out in the literal sense of the word and now many prefer to put a minus or plus and leave ... some topics are already in the third in the fourth round go .. the main thing you have achieved of course the result you have heard and paid attention ... on which side you will find yourself and how much you will listen further depends on you and on the direction in which direction you think ...
                    3. Babr
                      Babr 24 September 2015 03: 20 New
                      +1
                      Quote: vorobey
                      believe it for the better

                      I do not know. Better or worse. But when you know the opponent’s thoughts (eamet, not the enemy) it’s easier to communicate. And when you stand like a Christmas tree, hung with minuses, and not a single comment, you are perplexed, am I right or wrong?
                      There probably still has a rating indicator, which is a lot of importance.
                      Many perceive VO as an exciting game. And once again get a minus, it go down a notch.
                      Приятно общаться с "большими звездами", если даже с ними не согласен.
                      Они переболели этим.Даже с "младшим командным составом", но это как правило, не раз забаненых. lol hi
  • aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 23 September 2015 09: 36 New
    +1
    .... He looks rather formidable .... And what is he on the end of the trunk ???? .... Fly ??????? :)))) ... Connoisseurs .... Clarify ....
    1. spech
      spech 23 September 2015 10: 51 New
      0
      .And what is it at the end of the trunk ???? .... Fly ??????? :))))

      barrel bent sensor reflector.
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 23 September 2015 09: 45 New
    +2
    About 400 of these Challengers have been released. That is, there are not so many upgrades. And they probably will not pull a brand new tank. Americans still haven’t responded laughing
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 23 September 2015 20: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: marlin1203
      About 400 of these Challengers have been released. That is, there are not so many upgrades.

      Извините,а зачем островному государству,на которое никто не нападает,и которое под "крышей"США новые танки?С кем они воевать на них собрались?американцы сидят репу чешут,чего придумать в ответ на Армату,при том ,что в Штатах промышленность,танкостроение и П_и_н_д_о_стан за последние 70 лет самое воюющее государство.А английские бравые танкисты где будут щеголять на танках?В океане?
  • Sergey K.
    Sergey K. 23 September 2015 08: 33 New
    +1
    While the British will develop and create a new tank, we will release the T-15.
    1. trenitron
      trenitron 23 September 2015 08: 39 New
      +2
      So there is already
    2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 23 September 2015 08: 50 New
      0
      A T-16 has long been releasing wink
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 23 September 2015 09: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
        A T-16 has long been releasing wink


        This is even a completed stage .. since 1924 ..
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 23 September 2015 09: 46 New
          +4
          Quote...
          A T-16 has long been releasing

          Long. A long time ago...
          laughing wassat smile
      2. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 23 September 2015 09: 05 New
        +6
        Swim finely! Take it deeper: somewhere in the underground cities of the Urals there is already a study of the T-800 with artificial intelligence and a speech synthesizer that can disguise itself as people due to the resemblance to them soldier laughing
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 23 September 2015 10: 16 New
          -1
          Quote...
          Swim finely! Take it deeper: somewhere in the underground cities of the Urals there is already a study of the T-800 with artificial intelligence and a speech synthesizer that can disguise itself as people due to the resemblance to them

          Transformers again? Nothing new can be invented? X .. Bad ..
  • Ai yai
    Ai yai 23 September 2015 08: 34 New
    +3
    Something the British began to slow down))) Later, the others realized laughing
    The rest have long begun to squeak
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 September 2015 08: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: Ay Yai
      The rest have long begun to squeak

      Ну если это положительно сказывается на Вашем пищеварении - пусть "пищат" ....
    2. Engineer
      Engineer 23 September 2015 08: 59 New
      +5
      In England, there has long been a debate about the expediency of tanks as such. And the fact that Challenger 2 appeared in general to the credit of the government of the country, which decided to save Vicker from bankruptcy. It is worth learning from the British about caring for domestic manufacturers. So that it would be with UVZ, if the Indians did not buy the T-90S, it is scary to think.
  • Yunik
    Yunik 23 September 2015 08: 36 New
    +5
    Cardboard or non-cardboard, but already the effect around the world, for billions of dollars, is launching the modernization of the main tanks.
    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 23 September 2015 08: 52 New
      +3
      And they will bash ours for the promotion of a new generation of tanks?
  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 23 September 2015 08: 36 New
    11
    As Armata scared everyone, at first the nonsense with the paddles moved the shavers now, well, well
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 23 September 2015 08: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: vovanpain
      As Armata scared everyone, at first the nonsense with the paddles moved the shavers now, well, well


      And only the Americans are silent silently but quickly and actively sell their uranium scrap metal ..
  • Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 23 September 2015 08: 37 New
    +4
    ""Британия намерена модернизировать свои танки в связи с появлением в России «Арматы»""
    all three and a half tanks;)
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 September 2015 09: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Russian Uzbek
      ""Британия намерена модернизировать свои танки в связи с появлением в России «Арматы»""
      all three and a half tanks;)

      Challenger 2 - 412 tanks, as of 2010.
      1. Russian Uzbek
        Russian Uzbek 23 September 2015 09: 16 New
        +1
        very happy for them ...
      2. Arandir
        Arandir 23 September 2015 10: 42 New
        +1
        Compared to 60 thousand Soviet tanks, not counting the monuments that also shoot - 412 is really three and a half.
      3. svp67
        svp67 23 September 2015 20: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: Bayonet
        Challenger 2 - 412 tanks, as of 2010.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 23 September 2015 08: 37 New
    +3
    Only Germans and partly French can make good tanks in EUROPE; the Germans have a very good tank building school since WWII.
    But the British, despite the fact that they were the founders of the use of tanks than something outstanding, were not noted here.
    I do not believe that the British will have a breakthrough tank.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 23 September 2015 08: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I do not believe that the British will have a breakthrough tank.

      Естественно, даже неофициальный гимн имеется: "Правь, Британия, морями и волнами!"
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 23 September 2015 08: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I do not believe that the British will have a breakthrough tank.


      You have a short memory smile

      Fearless and invulnerable, he rushes with all his bulk into the very bitter battle, under shells and bullets, freely takes enemy trenches as an empty, insignificant obstacle, and, after planting destruction and death around him, calmly returns to his regiment. The English soldiers called this their new comrade-in-arms “bucket” (“tank” - “tank”).

      (Niva Magazine, Issue 4, 1917)
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 23 September 2015 09: 09 New
        +1
        You have a short memory


        Nope VADIM disagree ...)))


        On November 23, the British tried to resume the offensive. The effect of surprise was no longer there, massing tanks too. The Germans repelled a new attack of the 51st Division with 24 tanks of the 2nd Brigade at Fontaine-Notre-Dame, knocking down 18 tanks (11 of them with direct hit by shells). The 23 tanks of the 3rd Panzer Brigade also did not help. On the streets of the village, tanks were struck by bundles of hand grenades and fire from the upper floors of buildings - even then it was concluded that "the struggle in settlements is least favorable for tanks."
        On November 27, the British made their last attempt at the offensive, but the Germans had already prepared anti-tank defense, and only 32 of the 13 tanks survived.

        Having urgently pulled up reserves to the breakthrough site, German troops stopped the British, and on November 30 launched a counterattack. The exhausted tank corps at that time was diverted to the rear. Nevertheless, on November 30, the 2nd Tank Brigade, preparing for loading, received an order to advance for a counterattack. By 16.00, 73 tanks arrived in the battle zone, which counterattacked the German units together with the 2nd Guards and 2nd Cavalry Divisions. By December 6, the Germans on the entire 30-km front of the operation pushed the British back 2-4 km, but could not surround them and regain the first two positions of the Siegfried line.
        As a result of the counterattack at Cambrai, the Reichswehr captured as trophies about 100 MkIV, mostly defective.

        So the Germans recovered from the first shock, they entered the Anglo-Saxons most can not ...

        источник...http://bronetexnika.moy.su/publ/primenie_tankov_mk_i_vi_1/7-1-0-287
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    4. avt
      avt 23 September 2015 09: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      But the British, despite the fact that they were the founders of the use of tanks than something outstanding, were not noted here.

      Generally by booking. They are protected quite well, although at the expense of mobility.
  • VP
    VP 23 September 2015 08: 38 New
    +4
    The gun just does not change. At a minimum, it will be necessary to change the tower, charging mechanisms, think about placing another BC, make changes to the ballistic computer.
    In general, hemorrhoids are still. This is even if there is already another weapon. And if not, then develop it from 0, and think about ammunition.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 23 September 2015 08: 48 New
    +1
    Maximum replace their 105ku on German 120mm.
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 23 September 2015 08: 52 New
      +4

      Quote: Engineer
      Maximum replace their 105ku on German 120mm.



      Some British officers openly declared obsolescence of a tank gun (L30A1 120 mm) и боеприпасов к ней, которые «неспособны пробить бронирование танка "Армата"».
    2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 23 September 2015 08: 54 New
      +5
      105 of them are certainly cool, but they have been putting 35 mm on tanks for 120 years.
      1. Rader
        Rader 23 September 2015 19: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
        105 of them are certainly cool, but they have been putting 35 mm on tanks for 120 years.

        That's for sure ... It should also be noted that the L30A1 is a rifled cannon (no one else in the world uses narcotic instruments of caliber 120, 125mm.)
  • Tusv
    Tusv 23 September 2015 08: 50 New
    +2
    What makes for us the usual Victory Parade. And if the T-50 was ready to fly over the cobblestones? The Raptors would need modernization right away
  • roskot
    roskot 23 September 2015 08: 52 New
    +4
    What do you not upgrade there, but from the taiga to the British seas? Our army is the strongest. !!!
  • oberon 1
    oberon 1 23 September 2015 08: 55 New
    +2
    So far, tank number 1 in the world is an old T-34 according to the Americans themselves. A tank that is really mass-produced and has shown excellent performance in combat conditions.
  • NewDoctor
    NewDoctor 23 September 2015 08: 55 New
    +4
    The armata is cardboard ... and why do they have such a butt on this? are their paper tanks soldier
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 23 September 2015 09: 01 New
      +1
      plastic actually fool
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 23 September 2015 09: 01 New
    +1
    Fear us ......... SU.I! angry
  • spech
    spech 23 September 2015 09: 03 New
    +3
    I do not know the truth or not, but I heard that there are more generals than tanks in the army of the small Britain.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 23 September 2015 09: 14 New
    +3
    Легко сказать-надо построить новый танк ,да еще и роботизированный.Но на практике это 7-10 лет,при условии финансирования,и наличия технологий.Даже немцы,одни из лидеров танкостроения,говорят ,что у них что-то похожее на Армату появится лет через 7-10.Так что "пилите Шура,она золотая" laughing
  • pvv113
    pvv113 23 September 2015 09: 24 New
    0
    Britain intends to modernize its tanks in connection with the advent of "Armata" in Russia

    Anglo-Saxons Started
  • SergeyIV
    SergeyIV 23 September 2015 10: 03 New
    0
    Wow British technology it should be sooo cool! In England, even the tanks are there! Famously! They probably even shoot a gun? wassat
  • Arandir
    Arandir 23 September 2015 10: 23 New
    0
    Where is Britain and where is Russia, where have they gathered their tanks to meet with the Russians? With such statements, the little shaves constantly emphasize that they are our eternal opponents anywhere, in any matter.
  • AKESHA
    AKESHA 23 September 2015 11: 49 New
    0
    It is necessary to finish off the British to the end, to show them our construction battalion they can fight without weapons at all.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 September 2015 20: 20 New
    0
    Англичане , думаю, не смогут следующий танк целиком сами сделать. Сборная солянка получиться типа "Меркава" . Двигатель -американский, коробка тоже, орудие -Германия. Им много танков не нужно, санкций нет. Получиться дешевле, чем все самим делать. Или в альянс вступят с Германией и Францией.
  • arrows
    arrows 23 September 2015 21: 13 New
    0
    The mass will increase tons of commercials by 5-6 ??
  • Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 25 September 2015 16: 08 New
    0
    У "Челленера" специально сделана выемка в переднем листе и снизу башни ? Чтобы снаряды глубже залетали ?