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Air Show in Zhukovsky continues to cause pride in the Soviet aviation industry


News small aviation and UAVs demonstrated at the last International Aviation and Space Salon prove that Russia has sufficient creative potential and qualified specialists. However, the exposition of the main types of aircraft indicates a deep crisis in our aviation industry, especially the civilian one.

Formally, MAKS-2015 was, as before, at a high organizational level. The entertainment part of the event was worked out excellently. About 90 aircraft took part in the flight program. The foreign presence was formally weighty enough. The United States represented 11 organizations, including Boeing Commercial Airplanes and Pratt & Whitney, France - 20 members, including the Airbus Group. MAX was visited by official delegations from 65 countries of the world and more than 66 of thousands of specialists. However, in general, compared with the MAKS-2013, the foreign representation was almost halved. But there were new members, in particular Iran. Significantly - the number of the PRC delegation increased almost three times. However, the Chinese side did not submit a single working sample for the exposition and flight program. India looked the same. From her on the tarmac were Russian-made MiG-29K ship-borne fighters and the BrahMos joint development missile.

An important indicator of the effectiveness of MAKS - the volume of transactions. Their cost, as a rule, is not disclosed. Remain secret to the general public and various agreements of intent, memorandums. Experts estimate the total amount of all agreements, including investment commitments, in approximately 320 – 330 billions of dollars. However, the amount of contracts for specific deliveries was significantly reduced and amounted, according to experts, to about two billion dollars. For comparison: in the past, MAKS, this figure was close to 16 billions. Major deals include the agreement between the Russian Ministry of Defense and UAC about the delivery of Su-48 planes to 35 Aerospace Forces, as well as the contract with Egypt for Ka-52K attack helicopters optimized for use from the deck on 52.

The composition of the aircraft presented at the salon is quite indicative: there are only 133 units. In the parking lot and in the flight program, the Airbus Group concern demonstrated the newest passenger liner A-350. The aerobatic team from Latvia performed on light aircraft. The rest of the equipment was domestic development. That is, in fact, only Russian products were present at the International Salon.

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The exposition of the brand Su as the newest presented Su-35. At the same time, it is almost impossible to distinguish it from the Su-27 - the shape and dimensions of the body are almost identical. Yes, other engines, avionics and outboard armament - the aircraft became multipurpose. However, strictly speaking, it is impossible to call him a new machine - this is a deep modernization of the Su-27 with a significant increase in combat capabilities, but no more. It never occurred to anyone to allocate the latest modifications of the MiG-21 as a new aircraft, although the changes were extremely serious - even outwardly it differed significantly from the first samples. Another example is the Tu-95MS. This radically improved machine with fundamentally new weapons and on-board systems is considered only as a modernization of the predecessor - Tu-95K. Meanwhile, a qualitatively new Su-35 aircraft was created and put into service in the USSR in the 1989 year. This machine had a somewhat greater length and height, its take-off weight significantly exceeded the weight of the Su-27. It differed in the configuration of the body - had a front horizontal tail. Until the collapse of the USSR, 11 supplied such vehicles to the troops.

Flew - weptThe novelty of MAKS-2015 is considered Su-30CM. However, it is a modernization of the Su-30, which made its first flight back in 1989. The pride of the Russian front-line bomber aviation, the Su-34, is far from new. This car went to its first flight in the same 1989. After almost 25 years after re-equipment with more modern equipment, it was adopted by the Russian Air Force. Beautiful samples of Russian long-range aviation - the Tu-160 strategic bomber and its ancestor, the long-lived Tu-95MS were created and put into service in the USSR. Still remains among the Russian exhibition equipment and Su-25. This, of course, is a first-class attack aircraft, the modernization of which can significantly increase its combat capabilities, but still a Soviet aircraft.

In flight, he demonstrated the wonders of the T-50 aerobatic art. At MAX, he was spoken of as an almost fifth-generation fighter. However, according to reputable experts, the euphoria is premature. We do not yet have Russian-designed engines capable of providing long-term cruising supersonic flight. There are no radar stations (radar) that meet the requirements of the fifth generation fighter. That is, it’s not worth hoping for the appearance in the coming years of the long-awaited promising front-line aviation complex (PAK FA). Although the development of such an aircraft is from the beginning of 90-x, and the specification for it appeared in the USSR. That is, according to the concept, this aircraft is also Soviet. This is logical, because it was at that time that the F-22 Raptor entered the US Air Force. In response to the American challenge, our fifth generation machine was created. They even look very similar.

Transport aviation was introduced to the IL-70 aircraft well-known from the beginning of the 76-ies and its IL-476 modification. The latter represents the same Il-76 airframe with the installation of PS-90A engines (again, of Soviet design) and modernized avionics (EBA). Its capabilities have increased significantly, but this is still just a modernization (albeit a deep one) of the good old IL-76.

Among the samples exhibited was a veteran of the front aviation of Russia / USSR - Su-24 and its modifications. Already it can not be called the latest achievement of the aircraft industry. Its combat effectiveness is the merit of Soviet designers.

There is no doubt that Indian and Russian ship fighters MiG-29К / KUB presented at the exhibition are new and interesting. And he and the other developed and adopted in the USSR. In particular, the landing of the Su-80 and MiG-33K on the Kuznetsov deck was being worked out at the end of the 29-x. So these MiGs are actually Soviet aircraft, despite the new, more modern avionics.

Perhaps the only fully-fledged Russian military aircraft presented at MAKS is the MiG-35. At the same time, an officer from the service personnel of the car notes that according to the airframe the plane differs little from the MiG-29K.

The Tu-22М3 long-range aircraft appeared in service with the Air Force and Navy of the USSR in the middle of the 80's and over the past years have not been subjected to major alterations. One of them was presented at MAKS.

A novelty can be considered IL-38H. This is really a breakthrough plane for Russia. A qualitatively new search and aiming system (PPS) put him among the most advanced ones, putting the P-3D in line with the American Orion. This faculty was developed in the post-Soviet era.

Achievements in the field of helicopter turned out to be presented by the good old Mi-24 and Mi-8 of the latest modifications, as well as Ka-52, Mi-17 and Mi-171 (the last two, like Su-35, are a deep modernization of their predecessor - Mi-8 ).

Thus, at MAKS, it was clearly demonstrated that the Russian Air Force is equipped with modern to some extent Soviet equipment. As one of the leading experts in this field rightly pointed out, he used to be a major military leader in the past: "This is a great exhibition of the achievements of the Soviet aircraft industry." There were no foreign aircraft produced by MAKS.

Civil aircraft actually represented the "Sukhoi Superjet 100" and Tu-214. The latest car of the Soviet development. Regular upgrading allows it to hold on to the world level, competing with the American Boeing 737 or the European A 321. But production volumes are negligible - eight to nine cars a year, while Boeing launches aircraft for the same time before 500. According to official statements, the release of SSJ 100 already in the 2016 year can be brought to 30 – 40 units. However, experts predict that they will actually release two times less. The main reason is sanctions: almost 70 percent of the aircraft consists of foreign components according to the key nomenclature and so far it is not possible to ensure full import substitution. This is understandable - in the USSR it took several decades to create a fully-fledged aviation industry that was independent of foreign supplies. After a quarter-century systematic defeat of the domestic industry with the existing social system, which virtually excludes the possibility of concentrating the efforts of the whole society on solving the key tasks of the development of the country, it is impossible to reconstruct what was destroyed in a reasonable time. And who will be engaged in the organization? A significant part of the modern ruling elite is made up of the very people who, in the 90 and zero, smashed industry under the banner of the free market and integration into the world community.

It did not appear at the air show of Ilyushins civil aircraft - Il-96-400 in passenger and cargo performance. These are quite modern airliners, the modernization of which would allow Russia to have its own wide-body machines that meet international standards, but judging by MAKS, they were put to the cross. Instead of improving them, an agreement is concluded with China to jointly develop a wide-body aircraft, the design of which should be completed by the 2025 year. It is clear that Russia can participate in this project mainly by technologies (that is, we have world-class developments in the field of civil aircraft construction), and China - with money. It is natural to assume that the corresponding production will unfold mainly in the PRC. No wonder that representatives of this country at MAKS noticed that soon Chinese-made airplanes would dominate the Russian sky. And if domestic engineers and designers have a sufficient level of qualification to create a modern airliner together with less competent foreign partners, then the question arises: what or who prevents them from doing the same in Russia on their own? The answer is obvious: the leadership of our air carriers, who do not want to buy their own aircraft, and the officials responsible for the development of aviation.

In addition to the IL-38H at MAKS were really new items. These are primarily PD-14 engines, designed for the promising MC-21 and VK-800В airliners with which Russian helicopters should be equipped. Of great interest are the new anti-radar missiles (PRR) X-58USHK and X-58ShKE, the production of which is expected to start from 2017 year (although this is a thorough modernization of the Soviet PRR X-58 adopted by the USSR in 1978). However, for such a large-scale forum as MAKS, this is too little.

Small aircraft as a mirror of industry problems


Indeed, the latest models were presented, and quite widely, only by various military, civilian and dual-purpose unmanned aerial vehicles. The range of cars of this class is very large - from miniature, 20 – 25 in size in centimeters in diameter and weighing a little over a kilogram, to large ones, ten times heavier. Some of these samples adopted by the Russian army. Others are used to solve various problems in the interests of state and municipal structures, as well as commercial organizations. Most of this technique was developed on its own initiative by compact creative teams.

Samples of manned vehicles designed by such teams are also interesting. In particular, the gyrolet. With a weight of about 400 kilograms, he is able to fly with three passengers about 800 kilometers at a speed of 140 – 160 kilometers per hour. This machine does not need special airfields (for take-off and landing, it has a fairly smooth section of 100 – 150 meters in length), and its primitive and reliable design has a huge market. Especially it concerns Russia with its open spaces and underdeveloped road and airfield network.

Thus, MAKS has shown: where politicians, biased and mercenary leadership do not interfere with domestic specialists, the most advanced models of technology are being developed in a large variety. This is evident from the new UAV and small aircraft. But where, when making decisions, the geopolitical interests of other powers and the self-interest of individual officials and leaders prevail, stagnation and degradation prevail. The proof of this is what is happening today with the main aircraft of Russia, both military and (especially) civil.

In general, MAKS-2015 left not very good impressions and sowed a certain alarm. First of all, for our aviation industry. It is clear that the crisis continues to deepen. And the main reason is incompetent and sometimes self-serving leadership of the industry. There were doubts in our BRICS allies, who did not deploy a single aircraft. But China has its aircraft industry, which could demonstrate new aircraft, in particular, J-20 - an analogue of our T-50, which made its first flight back in 2011, or J-10 - the car of its full development, the regional airliner ARJ21, which is supposed to be operated from this year, and a number of other machines (excluding, of course, unlicensed copies of Russian aircraft). Could boast of their products, and Brazil, which has a family of his own regional jets Embraer ERJ145, as well as military aircraft together with Italy (Alenia / Aermacchi / Embraer AMX A1A and A1V) and independent (Embraer EMB-110, 111, 120, 135 and 326) development. And although these are not entirely new cars, they would undoubtedly be of interest to Russian and foreign specialists.

Of course, the problems of MAKS-2015 are to some extent connected with the aggravation of relations between Russia and the countries of the West. However, according to a number of reputable experts, a certain role was played, apparently, by the not quite effective management of the aerospace salon itself. An indirect confirmation of this is that, according to experts, the income of MAKS decreased, while expenses increased by almost 10 – 15 percent compared to 2013 year. At the same time, the average cost of exhibition space has increased by about 10 percent.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 24 September 2015 05: 17 New
    +32
    I remember the times when our civilian ILS and carcasses dominated our skies, now every second Boeing or Airbus flies overhead.

    Variety is good when our planes dominate .... and so they will impose sanctions on imported air parts and we will sit in a puddle recalling better times.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 24 September 2015 06: 41 New
      +33
      ... the question arises: what or who prevents them from doing the same in Russia on their own? The answer is obvious: the leadership of our air carriers, who do not want to buy their planes, and the officials responsible for the development of aviation.
      - from article

      A good article cooling the ardor of our patriots. The crisis in the development of aircraft manufacturing in Russia, and to be honest, in all other sectors of the economy, with the exception of gas and oil production for export, is obvious.
      What to do? Change the orientation system of the economy from the “raw material needle” to the development of industry, and to do this, remove the liberal officials who are “responsible for the development of aviation”, and the entire economy, from the government.

      And for this we must first abandon the liberal ideology of the development of the state. But, as the political leader of Russia said, he is also President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin: "We remain committed to the liberal development of Russia."
      Everyone sailed. a vicious circle that has been going on for more than a quarter of a century.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 24 September 2015 07: 35 New
        +13
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Good article cooling the ardor of our cheers

        Yes, of course, but still there is a place to be a strong "deflection" in the opposite direction. Of course, the Su-35 can be called the modernization of the Su-27, but what is left of the Su-27? Glider, and he changed. But a significant part of the technology (engine, radar) was already made in the Russian Federation. PAK FA - yes, the concept was made in the USSR, but the plane itself was in the Russian Federation, and this is a purely Russian development. Of course, based on the experience of previous models, but not to a greater extent, that for any aircraft.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 24 September 2015 13: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Of course, based on the experience of previous models, but not to a greater extent, that for any aircraft.

          While the author is grieving about the decline of civil aircraft construction.
          In Irkutsk, Ulyanovsk and some other aviation enterprises of Russia, they built and launched technological lines for the production of the new generation passenger aircraft MS-21 (of course, you can talk a lot about the presence of imported parts there, but in which country the passenger plane is now built only from parts of one country - in no way)
          In YouTube there is a series of videos about the MS-21, so I post one of them, by the way there you can see that in Russia, not all young people are lazy and not educated.
          1. andrei.yandex
            andrei.yandex 24 September 2015 15: 41 New
            +7
            If you catch up, you won’t catch up. Need to do projects ahead of time. And taking into account the pace at which culture, education and science are crumbling, a big question can be asked, and who will carry out the new industrialization, including aircraft manufacturing. Yes, and the technological base, in this case, if you look at the equipment of the workshops, mainly imported machines. and the world is moving to a new technological structure, for example, three-dimensional industrial "printers" that manufacture parts by the so-called "printing" method. and we haven’t yet switched to CNC machines.
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 24 September 2015 16: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Of course, the Su-35 can be called the modernization of the Su-27, but what is left of the Su-27?

          I agree.
          Against this background, this line is not at all clear:
          Perhaps the only fully-fledged Russian military aircraft presented at the MAX is the MiG-35

          How can it be completely Russian development if it is a further modernization of the MiG-29?
          The plan is almost 1 in 1.
          The same can be said about the difference between 29 and 35 instants. in general, the most modern - T-50 as for me. Yak-130 seems to be created exclusively in the Russian Federation. The rest is the heritage of our great Ancestors, which we have so successfully scoured to this day.
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        4. gjv
          gjv 24 September 2015 20: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          PAK FA - yes, the concept was made in the USSR, but the plane itself was in the Russian Federation, and this is a purely Russian development.

          Quote: silver_roman
          in general, the most modern - T-50 as for me

          Here is a beautiful photo, I have not seen one like this. September 18, real_hokum posted.

          The fourth prototype T-50 fighter (T-50-4 aircraft, tail number "054"), 28.08.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX (c) Vladislav Perminov / russianplanes.net
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 25 September 2015 12: 44 New
            0
            I agree. A beautiful view.
            By the way, in this picture all deflected planes on the aircraft are very clearly visible. Probably the only aircraft with so many of them.
            To keels deviated, I definitely did not see before. that and part of the wing, playing the role of the front horizontal plumage. Although it seems like the su-30SM deviates. I don’t remember exactly!
          2. afrikanez
            afrikanez 25 September 2015 17: 16 New
            0
            This is not a photograph, but a collage!
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      3. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 24 September 2015 08: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        And for this we must first abandon the liberal ideology of the development of the state. But, as the political leader of Russia said, he is President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin: "We remain committed to the liberal development of Russia"

        Quote: vladimirZ
        What to do?

        Quote: vladimirZ
        Change system

        :-)
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 24 September 2015 14: 08 New
          +2
          Still, I’ll post another story about the production in Ulyanovsk.
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      5. avt
        avt 24 September 2015 08: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Good article,

        no Although I put the plus, which I rarely do to Sivkov’s articles, the article is generally superficial - my friend digs up finely and now, I am tormented by vague doubts “I’m catching up with print works more like a counter. Why do I say that? Well, let's see: First, what didn’t he understand that another modernized plane is equal to the newly created one? Then this is by-and-and-so! All the same kapraz; Secondly about the situation in civilian aircraft industry in general it’s been a little liquid - What is it afraid of? Even a businessman drove about the next infusion of 100 billion rubles into the GSS, this is a “successful project”, which is already unprofitable for more than 6 yards, according to the GSS themselves, but at the same time they show the profit - the shareholders should be officially unfastened .Here he mentioned that they rolled out the Tu-214, well, just at least something had to be rolled out. But why didn’t he say that within the framework of “import substitution” he ordered DAM to release 204? Suddenly, looking - there is nothing to do and then - cooperation was killed. Well, then I would say that in order to please the Super Budget they killed 204, and its continuation of the line - 214 I also don’t say for 334 that I’m tired, they finish An148, which I bought with Antonov’s guts, that’s practically my own, but they signed a document with the Chinese on admission to Russia of AN-26 REINCARNATION IN CHINA PERFORMANCE! Well, comrade Rogozin is trying to cram the 114th by related. I don’t even say for small aircraft - it IS NOT, well, there are no new cars in the series.
      6. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 September 2015 13: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: vladimirZ
        But, as the political leader of Russia said, he is also President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin: "We remain committed to the liberal development of Russia."

        Still really understand what kind of beast such a "liberal development of Russia"
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 24 September 2015 16: 15 New
          -2
          Liberalism is a philosophical and socio-political movement that proclaims the inviolability of human rights and individual freedoms.

          Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedoms of each person as the supreme value and establishes them as the legal basis of social and economic order. Moreover, the ability of the state and the church to influence the life of society is limited by the constitution. The most important freedoms in modern liberalism are the freedom to speak out publicly, the freedom to choose a religion, the freedom to choose representatives in fair and free elections. In economic terms, the principles of liberalism are the inviolability of private property, freedom of trade and business. In legal terms, the principles of liberalism are the rule of law over the will of rulers and the equality of all citizens before the law, regardless of their wealth, position and influence.

          If in Russia some swindler created a certain party and called it, for example, liberal-democratic, and pursues a favorable policy for itself, this does not mean that liberalism is a bad word.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 24 September 2015 18: 54 New
            -2
            Let's analyze in parts.
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            rule of law over the will of rulers

            Someone against it?
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            the equality of all citizens before the law, regardless of their wealth, status and influence.

            Someone against it?
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            inviolability of private property

            Someone against it?
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            freedom of trade and enterprise

            Someone against it?
            What is wrong, argue.
      7. alekc73
        alekc73 25 September 2015 11: 50 New
        -2
        And for this we must first abandon the liberal ideology of the development of the state. But, as the political leader of Russia said, he is also President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin: "We remain committed to the liberal development of Russia."

        They didn’t come. There are no former scouts. Words and deeds are two different things.
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 24 September 2015 06: 45 New
      +13
      Quote: The same Lech
      I remember the times when our civilian ILS and carcasses dominated our skies, now every second Boeing or Airbus flies overhead.

      If the USSR were not dismembered, but the USA, the whole world would fly on our IL-ah, TU-shah, AN-ha.

      Take care of your country!
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 24 September 2015 07: 19 New
        +12
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        If it were not for the dismemberment of the USSR

        Who dismembered this?
        Tagged bear?
        And where were we, representatives of the peoples of the USSR?
        I remember very well how the "public" helped to dismember how the "indignant mind" was seething.
        It is a pity that it was not enough.
        And on the topic, the development of the aviation industry is in accordance with the general capabilities of the economy. Could it be better?
        Maybe yes. But there are no miracles in the world.
        Now need not
        airplanes, but fully competitive machines made with advanced technologies.
        If the world is made of composite, nobody needs an all-metal liner. If the engine should serve before repair, for example, 10000 hours, then you will not sell the one that runs 6000.
        Where it turns out: helicopters, Superjet, Yak-130, Su, IL-76MF mass production is successful. No worse than in Soviet times.
        May God grant success to the MC21 project. It will be a truly breakthrough project.
        1. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 24 September 2015 08: 06 New
          +6
          Quote: Alekseev
          And where were we, representatives of the peoples of the USSR?

          Probably all representatives in Belovezhskaya Pushcha drank vodka
        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 24 September 2015 08: 10 New
          +6
          Quote: Alekseev
          I remember very well how the "public" helped to dismember how the "indignant mind" was seething.
          It is a pity that it was not enough.

          Excuse me, uncle, when I say:
          “That the corrupt brainless communists destroyed the USSR in 1991, tied the RUBLE to the DOLLAR, deprived our enterprises of work and financing ...
          Putin is forced to correct the consequences of this destruction. Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
          And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi


          You mercilessly minus me. Actually, this post of mine will be minded.

          Although I'm talking about the Communists:
          Quote: VseDoFeNi

          They are all different! That is the problem.
          There are different people: kind, sympathetic, honest, decent, womanizer, brainless, corrupt, greedy, generous ... very different.
          Communists are people, they are all DIFFERENT.


          Etc.

          Quote: Alekseev
          If the world is made of composite, nobody needs an all-metal liner. If the engine should serve before repair, for example, 10000 hours, then you will not sell the one that runs 6000.

          I’m talking about this - we wouldn’t dismember the USSR, our technologies would be more advanced than Western ones. In 1991, the USSR produced 40% of the aircraft in the world. And the problem is that Motorsich stayed in Ukraine, BELAZ in Belarus ... There was no funding and orders, specialists from the USSR are building Boeing and Airbuses. Are there many specialized aviation institutes in the world? Kharkovsky went abroad ...

          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Take care of your country!
          1. Azitral
            Azitral 24 September 2015 09: 50 New
            +1
            I am also nostalgic for the USSR, but I'm afraid that these are, for the most part, emotions. What would my son tell me (they are both engineers who are working, successful) if they were stuck in the realities of 1984? "And you live here yourself, Dad. They didn’t know that you like garbage." And VMZ (this is where the KBHA) used only German, American and Japanese machine tools in the eighties in responsible operations. It is necessary to remember all the good things in our past, but it is not necessary to idealize its many abominations and idiocy, from this, the guidelines are lost when choosing the future path. By the beginning of perestroika, we lagged behind, and lagged further and further. By the way, the notorious "oil needle" climbed not in the 90s, but in the 70s. Do you like the Soviet past? For God's sake, you cannot command a heart. But be objective.
            1. rosarioagro
              rosarioagro 24 September 2015 17: 18 New
              +9
              Quote: Azitral
              By the way, the notorious "oil needle" climbed not in the 90s, but in the 70s. Do you like the Soviet past?

              Yes, I like it, there was industry, science, education and medicine, everything, as they say, was quite affordable and at that time high-quality, not without flaws, then there was a systematic management of the country and, in comparison with the current state, it looks preferable
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 24 September 2015 17: 49 New
              -2
              Quote: Azitral
              But be objective.

              This is not enough.
              In many ways, people live in their youth, when everything that should have stood was nowhere pricked and thoughts were not about politics.
            3. avt
              avt 24 September 2015 18: 49 New
              +5
              Quote: Azitral
              . By the way, the notorious "oil needle" climbed not in the 90s, but in the 70s. Do you like the Soviet past?

              Here are just the mantras from the Gaydarov’s Witnesses, you don’t need to breathe in, especially for those who at least remember something and don’t be lazy at all. product with more than pure raw materials at the Volga plants in the USSR? And how many of these plants were CLOSED in the 90s and how much did the supply of unrefined oil and gas to the dashing 90s so beloved by the liberals increase?
              Quote: Azitral
              But be objective.

              But it’s weak to try it yourself with the facts in your hands? Liberal campaigners who people hawala like manna from heaven like
              Quote: Azitral
              . It is necessary to remember all the good things in our past, but it is not necessary to idealize its many abominations and idiocy, from this, the guidelines are lost when choosing the future path. By the beginning of perestroika, we lagged behind, and lagged further and further.
              Do you actually know where the scornful scoop came from? With which your liberal teachers ripped ANYONE who tried not only to argue reasonably, just asked uncomfortable questions? Well, I won’t torment - it’s a contemptuous nickname for the rest of the population from farcemen, irons "who traded clothes and currency at hotels of Intourist" since the time of the Khrushchev’s thaw. "
        3. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 24 September 2015 19: 01 New
          -4
          Quote: Alekseev

          Who dismembered this?
          Tagged bear?

          C'mon, Khrushchev sent his son to America to live, this Communist Party has rotted for a long time. Brezhnev died, his entourage immediately ran to rob a collection of cars in the garage.
          Probably, the fallacy of the socialist revolution was recognized by Lenin and began to pursue the NEP policy, but he quickly died.
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 25 September 2015 12: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            C'mon, Khrushchev sent his son to America to live,

            Where do such creeps come from? For reference, Khrushchev’s son, Sergei, was a designer of automatic systems, first worked at the Chelomey Design Bureau, then was deputy director at the Institute of Electronic Control Machines, immigrated to the USA AFTER the collapse of the union in 1991. and accordingly, 20 years after the death of his father. And all the rest of your maxims from the same crazy opera.
    3. avdkrd
      avdkrd 24 September 2015 10: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      I remember the times when our civilian ILS and carcasses dominated our skies, now every second Boeing or Airbus flies overhead.

      While the flawed economic policy of systemic changes will not continue. Russian manufacturers do not have financial instruments competitive with Western ones. Boeings and Airbases have state-supported leasing programs, have preferential financing (cheap loans) - all that our manufacturers do not have. Tupolev and Ilyushin are artificially destroyed in the 90s and 2000s, despite the breakthrough aircraft (those 334 and silt 96-300) whose performance characteristics are now no lower than competitors. Superjet - is not a Russian plane, God forbid Tupolev will be able to drag.
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt 24 September 2015 12: 07 New
      +2
      Without a breakthrough of the entire economy, manual regulation and point injections, as a permanent temporary measure, will not work. The system needs to be changed. hi
      1. Genry
        Genry 24 September 2015 22: 40 New
        +2
        But why do point infusions do you know?

        The Central Bank keeps the rate at 11%, Western lenders gave money and now sanctions ... So the government gives budget money for projects. He didn’t give anyone, but he can’t give the rest, because the budget is not for "giving out".

        It is necessary to change the Constitution, at least the provisions where the Central Bank should obey the Ministry of Finance and not the IMF, as it is now. And there are many other provisions where Russia is not sovereign in decision making.
    6. kenig1
      kenig1 24 September 2015 14: 01 New
      +1
      .a so impose sanctions on imported aircraft parts and we will sit in a puddle recalling better times.
      They are not going to shoot us from this needle. It's a shame that the country that had the technology to create wide-body aircraft was practically profiled by them.
    7. Dilshat
      Dilshat 24 September 2015 15: 06 New
      +1
      But what prevents us from stopping the supply of titanium to Boeing? Lack of sovereignty? According to IL-96-400, it smells like sabotage and betrayal. Having gained the experience of building wide-body aircraft, the Chinese will be able to throw long-range amphibious assaults. The question is about backfilling: who is near China and has huge territory?
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 24 September 2015 15: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Dilshat
        the Chinese will have the opportunity to cast long-range large-scale landing. Backfill question: who is next to China and has vast territories?

        Question in return: and these "vast territories" are not accidentally covered by something like air defense? Radars there, missiles, interceptors, finally?

        Quote: Dilshat
        large-scale landing

        The large cupboard falls loudly - have you heard that? wink
      2. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 24 September 2015 17: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: Dilshat
        And what prevents us from stopping the supply of titanium to Boeing?

        Well, let's stop, the Boeing will not stop from this, he even let out airplanes before these deliveries, but what should the enterprise do?
    8. Evver
      Evver 24 September 2015 17: 54 New
      +2
      Yes, not every second, but every first!

      In the summer, I often went to Vnukovo to take off and land. So - from OUR airlines flying there, such as: Transaero, Orenair, Pobeda, UTair, AyFlay - not a single board of Russian production! I'm not talking about foreigners and all sorts of different small jets ...

      I saw the Yak-42, Tu-134 and IL-96 of the Rossiya airline, the Be-200 of the Ministry of Emergencies (yes, I sat down in Vnukovo :), the Yak-42 of Grozny-Avia ... There was also An-140-100 a / to MotorSich ... and that’s all, perhaps!
      Of the more than three hundred photos that have remained in my archive - not a single modern TUSHA, SuperJet, etc.
  2. mivmim
    mivmim 24 September 2015 05: 20 New
    +2
    Stop whining, people are working. In those "times when our civilian ILS and carcasses dominated our skies," the state did not allow the purchase of other people's aircraft.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 24 September 2015 05: 55 New
      +3
      Stop whining, people are working.


      smile The boss is all gone, the client took off the cast and leaves ...

      no one whines just unpleasantly when foreign planes fly all the time over the heads of working people.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 September 2015 08: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: The same Lech
        no one whines just unpleasantly when foreign planes fly all the time over the heads of working people.

        I really hope that this is a temporary phenomenon. Our design bureaus Tupolev, Yakovlev, Ilyushin need to be supported. There is even experience and experience. Maybe in the near future the situation with the domestic aircraft industry will begin to improve.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 24 September 2015 08: 22 New
          -3
          Quote: NEXUS
          Our design bureaus Tupolev, Yakovleva

          Yakovlev in Kiev, do not support with all desire.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 24 September 2015 08: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Yakovlev in Kiev, do not support with all desire.

            Yes, true ... out of habit, I wrote a shovel ... but I would have dragged specialists from there to us. hi
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 24 September 2015 17: 54 New
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              Yes, true ... out of habit shovel wrote ...

              No, I got it wrong ...
          2. Dry_T-50
            Dry_T-50 24 September 2015 12: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Quote: NEXUS
            Our design bureaus Tupolev, Yakovleva

            Yakovlev in Kiev, do not support with all desire.

            In Kiev, not Yakovlev, but Antonov
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 24 September 2015 17: 53 New
              0
              Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
              In Kiev, not Yakovlev, but Antonov

              Yes, I wrote it by inertia.
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      3. siberalt
        siberalt 24 September 2015 12: 09 New
        0
        Yeah. Adhesive plaster is a good thing if the rest of the body is healthy. laughing
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 24 September 2015 05: 40 New
    +9
    after reading the article to half, a hint flickered: The author Konstantin Sivkov ... specially read without looking ... not mistaken! all in his spirit.
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 24 September 2015 06: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      after reading the article to half, a hint flickered: The author Konstantin Sivkov ... specially read without looking ... not mistaken! all in his spirit.

      Well yes - everything is lost, we all die ...
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 24 September 2015 06: 37 New
      -5
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      having read the article to half

      Yes you, my friend, a masochist. It is not constructive and depressive to read the liberoid-proverbial nonsense, although sometimes there is a desire to give authors a turnip.

      DO NOT scold your country - fraught with its dismemberment. We are already TWICE last century passed!
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 24 September 2015 10: 40 New
        +3
        DO NOT scold your country - ,,
        what do you suggest? if I see stupidity or frank wrecking (but as if for the good) then this should also be praised. Being objective is the main thing.
        1. Azitral
          Azitral 24 September 2015 12: 12 New
          +1
          Scold specific stupidity and sabotage with their specific carriers. It is advisable to dispense with the proposals "to shoot everyone" (option: "everyone to Kolyma"). When the patriots there begin to scold the problems there, it also seems that the United States (Germany, Japan, China) is about to be kirdyk, and it is unclear how they are still alive.
  4. Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 24 September 2015 05: 40 New
    +4
    Everything has its pros and cons. After reading the article, it is alarming, but encouraging that the work is ongoing and there are results. We are obliged to leave our children and grandchildren such a backlog as we inherited from our fathers and the Soviet aircraft industry.
  5. igorra
    igorra 24 September 2015 05: 43 New
    +9
    Stop whining, the whole aviation world eats up the remnants of the Cold War. There is practically nothing fundamentally new, here we are not alone, and after the Gaidar reforms, thanks at least we are doing something. I would have looked at the Boeing or Airbus, after such a 20-year-old shake. So much aviation technical documentation, along with specialists, flowed west, on Boeing a third of our design engineers, and there are a lot of things to be listed, but it was thanks to us that the western aviation industry received a powerful impetus to development.
  6. Reducer
    Reducer 24 September 2015 05: 49 New
    +8
    The article is strange ...
    Mr. author, you will not believe it, but the expansion of gases in a conditionally enclosed space is still used since some wild Chinese times —KARAUL !!! TOTAL REGRESS OF TECHNICAL THOUGHT!
    What did the author want to see at MAX? Purely Russian technology without Soviet roots? Well then, let him start the modernization with Mozhaisky's plane!
    Quote: ... in the USSR it took several decades to create a full-fledged aviation industry independent of foreign supplies. -No cometaries Konstantin lower your gaze from heaven to the titanium parts of foreign aircraft! Any industry is a cooperation of ideas, technology, raw materials, including international ones.
    All talk of "nothing new, deeply modernized old" STUPIDness! The basis of development is the use of old experience with the use of new research results, technical capabilities and the goal.
    What is different in other countries? Did the Germans build the Leopard without the experience of the Hitler period? Do Americans in their main aircraft not use the classic glider? Raptor by the way: the first flight - 1990g start of operation - 2005g and this is without reformers, shit-cutting demolition factories! and the result is still in question!
    Well, without foreigners (they are too strong in advertising than in real hardware), the salon also has its advantages - specialists are more aware of all our shortcomings and opportunities ...
  7. Sasha75
    Sasha75 24 September 2015 06: 16 New
    +9
    And who forbade our old men to fly and said new ones, we’ll buy our own abroad why did they forget Medvedev, and they threw him. With the Mistrals, who pushed the purchase. Volunteer organized on an airplane lease, scored it, again they threw the planes from the lease and took away the type of sanction. It's just in print about his kookies, and what else has he done there. We do not need enemies to sell piles offal.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 September 2015 06: 23 New
    +2
    New aircraft appear when the old ones cease to satisfy the customer. Or the enemy appears something that urgently needs to develop a counterweight. And art for art in the aviation industry is too expensive a pleasure. Most of our Dryers and MiGs are quite formidable cars, capable of "tapping" both F 15-16-18, and Rafalyam with Eurofighter. The legendary Raptor, supposedly capable of shooting down bundles of 4+ generation aircraft, is released in a small number, and until it is dominant in the sky (it’s also discontinued from production)!
    And small aircraft and drones are a completely different level of organization and production. It is quite suitable for small enterprises. So they frolic. A serious plane is too tough for such organizations.
    It was obvious that in the context of declaring Russia “byakoy” and the corresponding administrative pressure, “abroad” would not go to the MAKS as it had before.
    Well ... with them.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 24 September 2015 09: 58 New
      +2
      The article is not about who will go to the MAKS, but about where and how our aviation industry is going, and what it will be - Russian or some imported components will be replaced by others, but there will never be any Russian ones. Unpleasantly struck by the share of imports in Tu-214 - 70%.
      1. avt
        avt 24 September 2015 10: 20 New
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        Unpleasantly struck by the share of imports in the Tu-214 - 70%.

        Share your knowledge - where does the Tu-204/214 get 70% of import ???? For the Super Budget - I know, for 214 this is a discovery for me personally.
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      3. creak
        creak 24 September 2015 11: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: NordUral
        where and how does our aviation industry go, and what will it be -


        The aviation industry does not exist on its own, but is only one of the industries ... And the state of the aviation industry reflects the state of our industry as a whole - is it possible to produce advanced aviation equipment, for example, without a modern machinery, electronics, engines, composite materials, etc. .d. the list goes on ... Is everything in these sectors up to standard? (which is why imported avionics sometimes have to be put on airplanes delivered to foreign customers).
        But aviation has always been a kind of alloy of advanced achievements in various industries - therefore, one should speak not only about the state of the aviation industry and not consider the state of this industry in isolation from the state of the economy as a whole ...
        By the way, several thousand contractors, from large to small from a wide variety of industries, are tied to the production of the same Boeing airliners. from Russia (titanium products).
  9. Alex_59
    Alex_59 24 September 2015 06: 35 New
    +1
    It’s hard to read an article about aviation, which uses revolutions “differs in the configuration of the hull” - in relation to the fuselage of an airplane ...
  10. valokordin
    valokordin 24 September 2015 06: 57 New
    +5
    Everything that Sivkov wrote correctly and minus signs are hidden enemies of the country. For them, Boeing and Airbus is the idol they worship. Our ministers and similar chief designers caved in before Europe and America, no matter how much they hurt them and stopped releasing their civilian planes, while the capitalist pro-NATO companies supported them and stopped ordering their equipment. Look at the world directly and without fancies. Enemies are not supported, but destroyed. They are destroying us, and we are looking for excuses with our spinelessness.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 24 September 2015 09: 52 New
      +6
      I support you, our main enemy is the power of the liberals in alliance with the oligarchic thieves.
      1. BMW
        BMW 24 September 2015 16: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: NordUral
        our main enemy is the power of the liberals in alliance with the oligarchic thieves.


        Support.
  11. Horn
    Horn 24 September 2015 08: 04 New
    +5
    Henry Ford once said: "A car can be any color, provided that it is black!"
    To paraphrase: "Any aircraft can fly in the sky of Russia, provided that they are Russian-made!"
    It is vital to restore the education and science destroyed by the liberals!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 24 September 2015 09: 50 New
      +3
      I agree with you. I’ll add from myself - and do it without liberals. Quite already steered the country, that's enough.
  12. oracul
    oracul 24 September 2015 08: 10 New
    -2
    I am amazed when, when assessing the situation, they proceed from the idea of ​​permanent growth in the economy, in industries. Less signed contracts, guard !!! So what? First of all, you need to know firmly the reasons that led to this. Or maybe this is the result of the fact that in previous years the production was loaded to the eyeballs? Or the reason is that they are being re-equipped, or there are not enough personnel, they are switching to fundamentally new models, etc. etc. The article does not answer such questions, but it creates a gloomy background.
    1. I am
      I am 24 September 2015 08: 49 New
      +7
      Dear Oracul, you certainly decided to sweeten something a little, BUT !!!!!
      The aviation industry (civilian) in Russia lies on its side. The same superjet has a lot of imports in its composition. But the main thing is the factories. In Saratov, for example, even the former airfield from an aircraft factory has already begun to be built up. And on the site of the TK Orange factory itself (it’s the same Auchan and Ob in one box). The German ASUs of the Luftwaffe could not even dream of such a thing when they tried to bomb this factory in the Great Patriotic War ........................ and then we did everything ourselves. So what is the retooling ????? Which to the eyeballs. A plant named after S. Ordzhonikidze was connected with the SAZ (he did the instruments) - there is no SAZ and the SEZ will die quietly. There was an Aviation Technical School - so its building is now being given to spiritual simenarii ...... indeed, why are working aircraft builders. And so you can continue for a long time. At the same time, Saratov is not an isolated case.
      Yes, in some places we managed to SAVE the enterprises. But before development - still go and go. And that is precisely what we must honestly admit. The BASIC task now should be to RESTORE WHAT was, and only then to go forward. And only so!!!!
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 24 September 2015 12: 20 New
        0
        In no case can you restore it in its previous form. And to restore by mind means to go forward.
  13. akudr48
    akudr48 24 September 2015 08: 25 New
    +4
    In general, MAKS 2015 did not leave a good impression and sowed a certain alarm. First of all, for our aircraft industry. It is clear that the crisis continues to deepen.

    Sivkov, as a deep and sober analyst, in very cautious terms expressed the truth about the Russian aviation industry.

    The “gloomy tone” even embellishes aviation reality, and Sivkov is not the person to denigrate, rather, on the contrary, he works for the positive by reading his publications.

    The main factor of all our brakes and failures is human, without replacing the thieving and looting "effective managers" from the top of the management, the business of aviation and the whole country from a "gloomy" shade will turn completely black.
  14. Xoyuschka
    Xoyuschka 24 September 2015 08: 56 New
    +1
    The double impression of the article. In some respects he is right, the aviation industry is going through hard times, but it has clearly begun to climb out of the pit, which fell into the nineties ... I did not like the message that our entire aviation was the legacy of the USSR, sounded like a rebuke. But how does the author see the development of aircraft manufacturing? Yes, and in any industry? To take and create something fundamentally new in practice is very difficult. The path of modernization is the only true path. In particular, in the aircraft industry, our Great Designers have laid a huge potential for modernization, which we use. Confused by the news about the seaplane ... What kind of beast is this? How with a weight of 400 kg can he lift 3 people ??? Maybe someone knows? Very interesting
    1. Reducer
      Reducer 24 September 2015 09: 50 New
      +1
      Immerse yourself in glider theory! wink
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 24 September 2015 11: 13 New
        +1
        .... Immerse yourself in the theory of gliding! ...

        ... There are no such gliders !!!! .... On average, the weight of an empty two-seater glider of the “standard” class is dry about 300 kg, flight about 500 kg .... There are statistical laws for the weight return of an airplane - dry weight is about 50% of the maximum take-off (this is also payload + fuel) ... hi
        1. Reducer
          Reducer 24 September 2015 16: 20 New
          0
          How do you like the ratio of 70kg to 200kg of maximum take-off? almost 1/3
          http://techno.bigmir.net/technology/1520918-Gadzhet-dnja--samyj-legkij-samolet-v
          zmyl-v-nebo - FOTO - VIDEO-
  15. ASK505
    ASK505 24 September 2015 09: 46 New
    +4
    The dead end of the current commodity Gaidar model of the 90s is not seen only by the Dead End. He is busy catching fleas. Where will we go tomorrow without Second Industrialization on a new number base? Only in the tundra can oil and gas be pumped into the pockets of the oligarchs. Something imperceptible to us is already being done in this direction. Otherwise, we will not get out of this liberal swamp, which has not yet been drained. “Cadres decide everything,” comrade Stalin said, and began by putting things in order in the financial system. We are obliged to return, and we will return to the airports our civilian Air Fleet with world brands - “Tupolev”, “Ilyushin” and others, even if it is very upset for an uncle in a deep puddle. The whole article is a plus, as a summing up of intermediate results. The title of the article is minus.
  16. NordUral
    NordUral 24 September 2015 09: 46 New
    +5
    A sad but fair deal. I hope that Putin will understand that the king is not yet fully dressed. Do not engage in self-hypnosis about imaginary successes, they are modest enough and you need to thank a powerful Soviet backlog, but not yourself.
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    2. Vovan 73
      Vovan 73 24 September 2015 10: 17 New
      +6
      Yes, Putin is a drum. What else needs to happen to the country so that it dawns on everyone that what kind of king is such and retinue. Svikov is right the political and economic development model needs to be changed ...... and URGENT !!!!
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 24 September 2015 18: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: NordUral
      Hope Putin understands

      YOU express the thoughts of the majority, which means that there are few chances not only for the aviation industry, but for the entire industry. Putin understands everything perfectly, and ... everything suits him. And the Central Bank, and the government, and the economic course. He and his team, 15 years in power, and everything that has lined up in the economy, the fruit of their work, their brainchild. They will not change anything. They cannot and will not want to.
  17. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 24 September 2015 09: 50 New
    +5
    A significant part of the modern ruling elite is made up of the very people who in the 90s and the zeros smashed industry under the banner of a free market and integration into the world community.

    Until we clear ourselves of this market liberally..deal ... of these optimizers, "efficient" managers, we will continue to wallow in the outskirts of the global civil aviation market!
  18. Vovan 73
    Vovan 73 24 September 2015 10: 04 New
    +4
    And Sivkov is right. And for the article to him a fat plus.
    Indeed, the Su-35, by and large, is the Su-27 bis (if we draw an analogy with the MiG-21). I remember back in 96 (in December) the commander of the 1st VA came to our regiment and at a meeting of officers (instead of giving a clear answer when they still give the money for August), he said that our regiment had a huge the honor that we will be the first to be re-equipped on the Su-35 in the 97th year. Almost 20 have passed !!!!!! years, finally the first cars went into the army. And with Dry Govnojet .... just a rzhunimagu. For the sake of this screwdriver assembly ruined ready !!!! Certified!!!! 85% consisting of components of domestic production Tu-334. And for the other types of aircraft the same garbage. We finish Soviet ....
  19. Vadim237
    Vadim237 24 September 2015 10: 07 New
    0
    And today, China has signed a contract with a Boeing to purchase several hundred civilian airliners for a total of $ 38 billion.
    1. avt
      avt 24 September 2015 10: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Vadim237
      And today, China has signed a contract with a Boeing to purchase several hundred civilian airliners for a total of $ 38 billion.

      Exactly Boeings and not Superbudgets? laughing Well then what? In China, unlike the USSR and Russia, WERE created YOUR design bureaus and your own mass airplanes developed by these design bureaus ????? They destroyed THIS CREATED by the aviation industry on the pretext that “there is no money and efficient managers” ?????? They have their own Gref, who said, “Why make cars if the Germans do better?” Or are they standing and even without pulls to China, with the brand bought up plants, how are we in the 30s?
      1. avt
        avt 24 September 2015 18: 35 New
        0
        Quote: avt
        Exactly Boeings and not Superbudgets?

        Here I’ll clarify the layout - ,, American aircraft manufacturer Boeing received an order from China for 300 aircraft. The transaction amount is about $ 38 billion at catalog prices. An agreement on the general terms of the transaction was signed with the Chinese company CASC (China Aviation Supplies Holding Company) during the visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping to the Boeing wide-body aircraft assembly plant in Everett, Washington. Most of the major purchases of civilian aircraft for China are made through CASC.

        According to Boeing, 240 of the ordered aircraft, 190 Boeing 737 and 50 wide-body aircraft are intended directly to Chinese airlines. Another 60 narrow-body Boeing 737s will be transferred to Chinese leasing companies ICBC and CDB Leasing. The American aircraft manufacturer has promised to officially introduce these aircraft into its portfolio of orders, after all details of the transaction have been clarified. "------ Here's the question again for the ecstasy regarding a rather ordinary Superbudget. Why is it not a“ breakthrough ”from the GSS to which, for a moment, BOEING ENTERED INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY ?? After all, from the GSS they broadcast the wrong leasing, and even in general - open the assembly line in China. For a joint project of the Russian-Chinese wide-body airplane, I am afraid to stutter. The IL-96 production was again ruined, but the Chinese couldn’t even pull a chicken in the nest. Well, again, the question is to the professor of military science of geopolitical academies - But what? It was difficult to pick up the article from the materials of the OPEN press? Or so they do, with the slogans of the guard of patriot?
    2. Vovan 73
      Vovan 73 24 September 2015 11: 20 New
      +2
      The funny thing is that the Russian government is considering the production option of the Chinese version of the An-24. This was written a few days ago by a businessman. And they’re kind of going to do it at KnAPO ...... Here you have a grandmother and a joint wide-body aircraft .......
  20. made13
    made13 24 September 2015 10: 07 New
    0
    We must rejoice that there is something to modernize, and there are specialists who can do this. Everyone would like to have fighters from Star Wars, but so far they have not come up with the right technology. And when they come up, we steal or copy, or buy. Only there is nothing new. No one. Or special services work well - focusing on failures such as the F-35, and the standing developments are classified.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 24 September 2015 18: 52 New
      0
      Quote: made13
      Only there is nothing new. No one.

      But then it’s “old” to burp, which was enough for the lion's piece of our passenger transportation market.
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  22. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 24 September 2015 11: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: vladimirZ
    A good article cooling the ardor of our patriots. The crisis in the development of aircraft manufacturing in Russia, and to be honest, in all other sectors of the economy, with the exception of gas and oil production for export, is obvious.

    The crisis in the aviation industry is a reflection of the crisis of the idea of ​​liberal capitalism, and in relation to the Russian Federation - the oligarchic government of the country under the guise of the ideas of liberalism! Overcoming the crisis is possible by refusing to follow this vicious course of liberalism. The word itself is good, but for the ideal, and for real life, clear rules are needed for the behavior of “players” in the field of the economy, and the rules are in favor of the bulk of the people, not individual marginalized groups united by the goal of profit or power! To this point, a huge distance that can be overcome by consistently and steadily steps to achieve this goal! The situation already requires this, let's see how our "top" will act, but we must push it persistently (of course, not by Maidan and liberalism)! drinks
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 24 September 2015 18: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Vlad5307
      but it is necessary to push it persistently

      Do you know how to do this?
  23. family tree
    family tree 24 September 2015 12: 28 New
    0
    Engines of Russian design, capable of providing long-term cruising supersonic flight, we do not yet have

    That is, AL-41F1 and AL-41F1S, these are bullies belay? Byad, however what
    http://topwar.ru/2946-aviacionnyj-dvigatel-pyatoe-pokolenie.html
  24. maroder555
    maroder555 24 September 2015 17: 20 New
    0
    solid bl = poison = yours and consumption
  25. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 24 September 2015 17: 26 New
    0
    Quote: vladimirZ
    Russian President Putin VV: "We remain committed to the liberal development of Russia."

    Nothing personal. Only business.
  26. Buffalo
    Buffalo 24 September 2015 20: 54 New
    0
    The exposition in the pavilions was poorly organized.
    The numbering of the pavilions is not continuous, hence it is difficult to understand how many of them are all in each, specifically. There was no list of exhibitors, in alphabetical order, indicating the pavilion and location of each exhibitor, as was done before. To understand who is in a particular pavilion, it was necessary to come there.
    Therefore, I could not see everything I wanted. The search was carried out by random encounter. What can we talk about here ?! Organizers hacked, saving on visitors.
    There is no feedback from the organizers of the air show. On the MAKS website there was no place for feedback and wishes of visitors - elementary disrespect, consumer attitude to people. The main thing is that you pay money, and then no one needs a visitor.
  27. Mestny
    Mestny 25 September 2015 02: 50 New
    -1
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    While the author is grieving about the decline of civil aircraft construction.
    In Irkutsk, Ulyanovsk and some other aviation enterprises of Russia, they built and launched technological lines for the production of the new generation passenger aircraft MS-21

    Well, what are you, it’s Kremlin propaganda.
    In fact, everything has long been rusty-Soviet, and photoshop photos. This is every fighter for all the good knows.
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 26 September 2015 21: 11 New
      -1
      Cool, and neither of which two phrases cause any strange dissonance? The launch of new production lines in cities of the Russian Federation for the production of aircraft that no one buys, for a simple reason - they beat the mountains with a large number of airline representatives on board wishing to buy them. All this is so impressive, because of which there is a feeling that either patriotism is hiding here, or Kremlin propaganda, or a green sawmill ...