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About counteracting the “rehabilitation” of Stalinism: so that we pay and repent

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Member of the Federation Council (SF) Konstantin Dobrynin prepared a draft law “On Countering the Rehabilitation of the Crimes of the Stalinist Totalitarian Regime (Stalinism)”. The document states that “justifying the practice of mass persecution of citizens on a class, social, national, religious or other basis leads to a destabilization of the internal situation in the country.”

The bill proposes to consider extremist informational materials justifying or denying the crimes of the Stalinist regime. At the same time, information that is not “subject to official state condemnation” is not subject to a ban on dissemination. Also in the bill there is a rule prohibiting the perpetuation of the memory of persons involved in the crimes of the Stalinist totalitarian regime, when naming new geographic objects or territorial units.

... Soon it will be almost a hundred years, as the combined forces of the West are fighting, fighting, but they still can not recognize communism as criminal. And then a member of the Council of Federation Konstantin Dobrynin is in a hurry to help them - with a ready-made paper about the "crimes of the Stalinist totalitarian regime." Calm down, gentlemen - everything is under control, we will do everything ourselves!

Please note - we are no longer talking about any "court stories”, Which not so long ago on the TV citizen Svanidze successfully merged. We are talking immediately about the fact that the communist period in the history of Russia - after all, this is obvious to any intelligent, handshake person - was criminal. Criminal, period. And what does this mean for the citizens of Russia? The impossibility of mentioning the supreme commander on Victory Day and the bashful drape of Lenin's mausoleum on holidays? It goes without saying. But the main thing is different.

The main thing is what it is. As soon as the epoch of the communist rule is recognized as criminal by the efforts of such kind-seekers, the results of the communist rule will be recognized as criminal. First of all, the victory of our Communists over Nazi Nazism will be declared a criminal one. And that means - the results of the Second World War will be revised. For our ancestors achieved everything through crime. And this means that the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation will be revised, during which the “territorial claims” of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, and Japan will be satisfied. And all the others who wish to declare any, for example, the Kuban will go to Ukraine.

When they deal with our territories and Russia will be reduced to the size of the Moscow principality, they will deal with citizens who have suffered from the "Stalinist totalitarian regime." First of all, this, of course, Bandera. That's really who suffered from Stalinism! And after Bandera - the Baltic "forest brothers", Asian Basmachi - all the troubles of accomplices of Hitler's Nazism strictly from the "totalitarian regime." All Nazi collaborators will have to pay multimillion compensation. Obviously, ordinary policemen are smaller, and those who fought in SS divisions are from the heart. After all, they did a good deed, fought against the “Stalinist totalitarian regime”, saved humanity from the “red plague”. And, of course, this is all only after all the monuments to these “liberators” and, in fact, to the criminals are demolished.

And you will ask: where do we get money for payments to veterans of the SS and their relatives up to the seventh generation? Yes, we have - oil and gas is full. Manage all this, as with the filing of Lehi Navalny everyone is known for sure, strictly "swindlers and thieves." The crooks and thieves, these heirs of the criminal communist regime, will be removed from the power and resource management by the international forces of the Good - and immediately, of course, to the tribunal, with confiscation of all personal savings. And they will send instead of them intelligent Western managers, who will fix the production, and where the money should be attached.

What are we? And we will repent.

Pay and repent.
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  1. marlin1203
    marlin1203 23 September 2015 15: 26 New
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    Another lover of dusting his head with ashes ... enough already, after the 90s they barely laundered. What happened in our great and terrible history was. You need to remember and go forward.
    1. vkl-47
      vkl-47 23 September 2015 15: 29 New
      119
      Dobrynina to the wall. Dmitry Yurichu Respect
      1. Vend
        Vend 23 September 2015 15: 33 New
        25
        There is no state problem on this issue. There is a divergence of opinions and a different assessment of events. Both historians and couch historians.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 23 September 2015 19: 27 New
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          Quote: Wend
          There is no state problem on this issue. There is a divergence of opinions and a different assessment of events. Both historians and couch historians.

          These figures are aimed at giving this aspect of historical events a legal basis.
          I would call this a planned provocation with far-reaching goals.
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 23 September 2015 21: 30 New
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            "Justification of the practice of mass persecution of citizens on class, social, national, religious and other grounds leads to the destabilization of the internal situation in the country."

            But can Stalinism be involved in the persecution of citizens on the basis of class characteristics. This is a matter of Leninism; by the time Stalin arrived, there were no other classes other than workers and peasants in the country. For some reason, no one is trying to condemn Leninism, Trotskyism. But they clung precisely to Stalin, who destroyed the heroes of the civil war, that is, the executioners of the Russian people. Stalin restored the empire destroyed by the Bolsheviks. Yes, his methods were cruel, but no one has yet been able to prove that it was possible to do it at that time.
            1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
              Uncle VasyaSayapin 24 September 2015 00: 34 New
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              About people like Dobrynin:
              “What is the noise outside, Barrymore?”
              “This is a gay parade, sir.”
              “And what do they demand, Barrymore?”
              “Same-sex love, sir.”
              - Does anyone forbid them?
              “No sir.”
              “So why are they still making noise?”
              - 3,14 ** races, sir.
            2. Mih
              Mih 25 September 2015 00: 28 New
              +2
              But can Stalinism be involved in the persecution of citizens on the basis of class characteristics. This is a matter of Leninism; by the time Stalin arrived, there were no other classes other than workers and peasants in the country. laughing

              except the workers and peasants in the country there is no. I am in complete misunderstanding. Not left? Have you read Salzhenitsin? There is also not read.
          2. Vend
            Vend 24 September 2015 09: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: APASUS
            Quote: Wend
            There is no state problem on this issue. There is a divergence of opinions and a different assessment of events. Both historians and couch historians.

            These figures are aimed at giving this aspect of historical events a legal basis.
            I would call this a planned provocation with far-reaching goals.

            Is it a stone in my garden? And what doesn’t suit you? Want to make the question of the Stalin era state? Well then, let’s solve the remaining questions of history with state orders. Ban Normanism, rehabilitate Ivan the Terrible, and so on. Historical issues should not be regulated by the state. They must be decided on the basis of facts. In history, those facts that are not beneficial to historical theory are often hushed up. But the filter for publishing popular historical books should be regulated. Half of Russia (roughly) went crazy with Rezun’s books. And the book is puffy.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 24 September 2015 18: 59 New
              +3
              Quote: Wend
              Is it a stone in my garden? And what doesn’t suit you?

              This stone is in the garden of a member of the Federation Council (Federation Council) Konstantin Dobrynin.
              My phrase is more likely to complement yours. If this citizen brings the legal base under his law, then we will have difficult times, in fact this is a global provocation
            2. Arandir
              Arandir 25 September 2015 08: 59 New
              +6
              History has always been a state affair. Thus, under Catherine II, Normanism appeared, they almost drove Lomonosov to hard labor. Nicholas I was forced to intercede for Thaddeus (Tadeusz) Volansky, who wrote about the fabulous antiquity of the Slavs, and the Catholic and our clergy, in order to prevent the people from realizing their antiquity and greatness, was about to arrange an auto-da-fe. That is, to burn Volanskiy at the stake from his books. Isn't that government regulation?
              Who should solve these issues based on facts?
              Stalin resolved these issues. Why was Eisenstein's films before the Great War Alexander Nevsky released? To raise the spirit of the people, patriotism. This is a warning film to foreign invaders. This film expresses the point of view of the country's leadership on historical events and this point of view was shared by the people. This is the state ideology. And what's wrong with that?
              Then there was a war, and when they won they won a whole galaxy of films. Ivan the Terrible, Nakhimov, Suvorov, Ushakov, Ilya Muromets, etc.
              It is not required to rehabilitate Ivan the Terrible, he is not a criminal, but the last of the Rurikovich. Here to wash his name from that utter lie and dirt, which he doused after death is necessary. That's for sure.
              Stalin and Ivan the Terrible are one of the Titans, on whose shoulders Russia is held. Therefore, it is the state that should express the point of view about these great rulers. Because it is to them that it owes its existence.
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 25 September 2015 14: 01 New
                +1
                Fully agree with you.
            3. Rarahin
              Rarahin 26 September 2015 09: 14 New
              -1
              Quote: Wend
              rehabilitate Ivan the Terrible

              But John the Terrible, what needs some kind of rehabilitation?
              Is the founder of modern Russian statehood, the ruler who launched the development of industry, in need of rehabilitation?
              Stupidity.
        2. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 24 September 2015 01: 40 New
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          This horse is rear-wheel drive, guided by Putin's words, "the criminal Stalinist time" - hence the courage to spit on its heroic history ...
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 24 September 2015 03: 59 New
            +2
            again some kind of liberalist made his way to the site .. laughing
          2. Yars
            Yars 24 September 2015 14: 04 New
            -6
            Well, what are you not a liberal !? Attribute to the President statements that he did not make! So who are you after that !!!
            1. BDRM 667
              BDRM 667 24 September 2015 18: 52 New
              +7
              Quote: YARS
              Well, what are you not a liberal !? Attribute to the President statements that he did not make! So who are you after that !!!


              What, Mr. Folksdeutch? Sit in your occupied Germany, and still allow yourself to hang tags on users?
              In general, how did you end up there? Zakakie gingerbread homeland sold?

              Yes, afdjhbn67, somewhat inaccurately quoted Putin.

              In the original, Putin’s remark sounded like this:
              1. Yars
                Yars 24 September 2015 20: 21 New
                +1
                cut out two words of the president and blinded heresy! Show the full speech (below is the full statement)! In general, I am surprised by the words of a historian, liberal, windbag Yulin, who contradicts himself in two sentences of his own - "The fact is that the Americans do this NOT NOW, but throughout their history. The Vietnam War was half a century ago, the capture of Cuba almost 120 years ago, and so they continue to operate NOW! So now or not now ??? And what difference does it make when ?! This is obvious to this impostor historian alone. When Putin talks about "all the deformities of the Stalinist regime," he means that this regime was made like that, and the Trotskyists did, because after Lenin's death they continued to rule the country, Stalin fought with them for a long time, but he did not completely overcome and was poisoned by them! The topic of "the ugliness of the Stalinist regime" began to be developed immediately after the arrival of Khrushchev, since Khrushchev was a Trotskyist! It was thanks to Putin that people started talking about Stalin's heroism!
                As for me, dear liberal, I come from western Ukraine, I left after the Maidan because I was called to go to the front, I won’t take up arms against my brother !!! Do you need to continue or is it enough?
                1. BDRM 667
                  BDRM 667 24 September 2015 22: 26 New
                  +2
                  Quote: YARS
                  As for me, dear liberal, I come from western Ukraine, I left after the Maidan because I was called to go to the front, I won’t take up arms against my brother !!! Do you need to continue or is it enough?


                  The fact that you switched to "you", with a completely unfamiliar person, already gives some reasons for understanding what you are.
                2. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 25 September 2015 03: 40 New
                  +1
                  Protect your Merkel and don’t touch our Putin .. laughing
                  1. NordUral
                    NordUral 25 September 2015 14: 17 New
                    0
                    Who is yours? Are these our OURS?
                3. NordUral
                  NordUral 25 September 2015 14: 15 New
                  +5
                  Unfortunately, Putin’s position in assessing the Stalinist and generally Soviet past is ambivalent and slurred. Therefore, the same proposals appear to recognize Stalin, and therefore the USSR as criminal. I’ve been saying for a long time - it’s time for Putin to decide who he is with. With a people who, not only with their hearts, but with their minds, began to pay tribute to Stalinism and the Soviets.
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 25 September 2015 14: 32 New
                    +4
                    Quote: NordUral
                    I’ve been saying for a long time - it’s time for Putin to decide who he is with.

                    He had long decided.
                    You write very sound thoughts, but sometimes I wonder.
                    Understand at last that Stalin is a Bolshevik-Leninist, and Putin the president of a liberal-bourgeois country.
                    Those. in fact, they are antagonists, simply put, enemies. And there can be no peace and harmony between them and all hopes that the GDP will suddenly turn into Stalin are at least naive.
                    ... the capitalists are the sworn enemies of the workers, I must defeat the enemies
                    to know them first of all.

                    (“What do the capitalists want?” Vol. 3, p. 188.)
                    So: the Russian liberal bourgeoisie is anti-revolutionary; she can't be
                    neither the engine, nor, moreover, the leader of the revolution; she is a sworn enemy
                    revolution, and it must be fought hard.
                    ("The London Congress of the RSDLP" vol. 2 p. 62.)
                    1. internatio
                      internatio 26 September 2015 06: 23 New
                      +4
                      I support you. I have the same point of view. It is often forgotten now, and sometimes they simply don’t know about the ruling party at that time - the CPSU (B.), Whose most active member was I.V. Stalin. Party policy was able to raise the country from the ruins of the Second World War, make a breakthrough into space and master nuclear technology. Liberals would definitely not have pulled this! Therefore, the defense of the activities of the Bolshevik communist Stalin is a matter of preserving Russia as a state. The example of Ukraine shows what the opposite practice leads to.
              2. Mih
                Mih 25 September 2015 00: 36 New
                +1
                Well, here, according to the text, I do not agree with GDP. am
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 25 September 2015 14: 56 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Mih
                  Well, here, according to the text, I do not agree with GDP.

                  "The wealthy bourgeoisie is our implacable enemy, its wealth is based on our poverty, its joy is on our grief. It is clear that its conscious representatives will be our sworn enemies who will try to deliberately crush us."
                  I.V. Stalin.
                  Newspaper "Proletariatis Brdzola"
                  ("The Struggle of the Proletariat") No. 12,
                  15th of October 1905
              3. 1goose3
                1goose3 25 September 2015 11: 04 New
                +1
                I put you a plus and at the same time I ask everyone to pay attention that even the announcer has perverted the words of GDP. Putin did not call the Stalinist regime ugly. He said: With all the ugliness of the Stalinist regime, he listed what he means, repression, the resettlement of peoples.
                Any of the states, regimes and existing in world history now have their ugliness, but this does not mean that they are ugly. Although such regimes exist and existed. These are fascist regimes and polpotovsky, etc.
            2. aleksandr1949
              aleksandr1949 25 September 2015 09: 42 New
              +5
              Dear Putinist! I understand your respect for Putin. After the dastardly outrage of the liberals over our heroic past, Putin still restored respect for those who led the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War. However, the contradictions in the actions of your Putin are also enough. For example, his kiss with such an anti-Russian bastard as the Pole Donald Tusk in Smolensk after the plane crash of a Russophobe plane - Polish President Kaczynski. And Putin's recognition of the false version of Goebbels that the NKVD allegedly shot the Polish gentry in Katyn. Personally, I would shoot this gentry with pleasure after the atrocities of this very gentry over the captured Red Army soldiers in the Polish death camps after the defeat of the Red Army near Warsaw in 1920. But many of these executioners were captured by the Soviet Union in 1939. Second. This ill-considered Putin decision allowed Lithuanian nationalists, following the example of the Poles, to fabricate false political trials against the citizens of the USSR, former military men who defended the Soviet constitution in January 1991 in Vilnius, Ya. As a former member of the red Vilnius workers' squad that helped our army and who spent 8 years in Lithuanian dungeons, I have the right not to respect your Putin on this issue. Recently, the Lithuanian prosecutor's office brought to court a case he fabricated against 69 citizens of the USSR (including Marshal Yazov, and the chief of intelligence, General Kolganov, and other officers, including captain of the Pskov Airborne Division Gavrilov, mutilated by an explosion from a homemade bomb thrown by Lithuanians at the military). They have already seized Colonel Alfa Golovatov in Vienna and Colonel Kotlyarov in Italy at the request of Lithuania to Interpol (the Austrians and Italians did not give them to Lithuania), they seized Colonel Mel on the Lithuanian border and kept him in a pre-trial detention center in Vilnius, innocently sentenced to life imprisonment of a riot police Nikulin, a citizen of the Russian Federation. And your Putin is silent and says nothing to this Lithuania. Ask him, why such indifference to the fate of Russian prisoners in Lithuanian prisons?
            3. NordUral
              NordUral 25 September 2015 14: 09 New
              +5
              No, my friend, Putin said so, in other words, but the meaning is accurate. In my opinion, an anti-Stalinist in Soviet times and an adherent of Stalin now, it is time for Putin to decide who he is - with the people or with thieves, oligarchs and thieves liberals. Do not be late for him to decide who to be with.
          3. MrK
            MrK 24 September 2015 15: 19 New
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            Thanks afdjhbn67. I repeat again. It is not Stalin who is afraid of them, but we Russians when we become ourselves. It is not Stalin who pours their shit and imported Russophobes. What to Stalin before their slops? Who are they and who is Stalin? It's not even funny ...
            Slandering Stalin, forgive me for the rude, but exact word, they “lower” our Russian (Soviet) ancestors, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, and through this we too. They, today, convince us - our ancestors were not victors of Europe, they were not !!! They were Stalin's slaves. And they were supposed to be slaves of the Germans or Jews, but those under Stalin did not break off.
            The USSR, at the cost of tremendous casualties, liberated Europe from the brown plague. And today, with his territorial and financial claims, every nationalistic scumbag climbs to him. Here the Japanese, and Latvians, and Estonians, and Chinese, and Kachinsky pans and other bastard.
            The worse the situation in the country, the clearer the failure of “reforms”, “priority national projects”, the higher unemployment, housing and communal services tariffs, prices for food, medicine, transportation, etc. - The topic of the gulags, camps and “repressions” is more intensely circulated by circuses and Svanidzas.
            1. gunya
              gunya 24 September 2015 18: 19 New
              +1
              Totally agree!
            2. gav6757
              gav6757 24 September 2015 18: 47 New
              11
              Who would say better than Vladimir Semenovich?
            3. Mih
              Mih 25 September 2015 00: 40 New
              +1
              It is not Stalin who is afraid of them, but we Russians

              This is the essence of modern geopolitics. Everyone should understand this clearly. The rest is verbal diarrhea.
            4. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 25 September 2015 01: 04 New
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              MRAK
              Thanks for the comments. good
              The farther the times of the USSR go from us, the more I become a Stalinist.
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 25 September 2015 14: 18 New
                +2
                And this is a pattern with such a reality, both at home and around the world.
          4. gunya
            gunya 24 September 2015 18: 18 New
            +2
            This horse is rear wheel driven in the words of Putin - "the criminal Stalinist time" - hence the courage to spit in his heroic story ...

            Apparently I missed something, indicate in what material these words were.
          5. propaganda NO
            propaganda NO 25 September 2015 08: 03 New
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            I would even say West
        3. Nick
          Nick 24 September 2015 10: 11 New
          +9
          Quote: Wend
          There is no state problem on this issue. There is a divergence of opinions and a different assessment of events. Both historians and couch historians.

          you're right. And now, Mr. Dobrynin suggests legislatively approving only one opinion, which is absolutely false from my point of view, and declaring all other opinions a punishable crime.
          In a word, Dobrynin is a corrupt scoundrel.
        4. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 24 September 2015 11: 15 New
          0
          Dear, how does this not exist, ask the student and then write.
        5. Dilshat
          Dilshat 24 September 2015 23: 57 New
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          The main reason, I think, is simple: instead of entering the exact numbers of the repressed in the 1930-1950s into school textbooks, indicating the circumstances and giving subsequent assessments of what happened, as well as lifting the ban on the direct mention of these facts in cinema and literature, but promoting its own assessment and concept - the state (itself in 1956 hysterically announcing the Repressions) - then fell silent and went silent for decades. Forbidding in fact the commemoration of the USSR pre-minister and his deputy.

          And as a result, the state of the USSR itself sacralized the topic of repressions, turned it into the same longed-for deficit as jeans and bananas (we already wrote about the banana-jeans cult created by de-Stalinizers in retro-reviews of the “Garage”).

          The result was similar - for jeans the "active part of society" enthusiastically surrendered its state, and for the Burning Truth About the Past, percent for ninety invented by unbalanced personalities, exchanged its history.

          Moreover, in both cases, this same “active part of society” can not be loved and even despised, but it would be unfair to blame. The late Soviet system itself created all these underground cults - with its laziness, habitual hypocrisy, silence and shouting.

          The result was all that follows.
          Who cares: http: //www.kultpult.ru/Retro-recenziya-Pokayanie-kak-deficitnye-jins
          y-ili-Fentezi-kotorymi-ubil-sebya-SSSR-253
          Once again I am convinced that Khrushchev was not just a narrow-minded pest. Even having visited the exhibition of degenerates "avant-garde" and criticized them, he created a name for her, raising it to his "level".
          1. Mih
            Mih 25 September 2015 00: 46 New
            0
            So this is the most realistic point of view. You don’t even know how to say it, well done. But it is so difficult for the younger generation to realize - this is a big problem. love
      2. bastard
        bastard 23 September 2015 15: 38 New
        -14
        Quote: vkl-47
        Dobrynina to the wall

        And paint the mausoleum in red.
        1. bastard
          bastard 23 September 2015 16: 39 New
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          Quote: vkl-47
          Dobrynina to the wall.

          Quote: villain
          And paint the mausoleum in red.

          Looking at the cons, as I understand it, there are no objections to the first sentence.
          1. Mih
            Mih 25 September 2015 00: 50 New
            +1
            Looking at the cons, as I understand it,

            Personally, I put the cons in exceptional cases, but I missed your case love
            1. bastard
              bastard 25 September 2015 10: 01 New
              +3
              Quote: Mih
              Personally, I put the cons in exceptional cases, but I missed your case

              I also rarely put downsides, and when I get them, I do not feel sad. My comments about painting the mausoleum reproduce an interpreted anecdote about Khrushchev's report on the personality cult at the XX Congress of the CPSU, then the same anecdote "surfaced" in the late 80s and early 90s during perestroika. For those who have not heard I type the 1st option:
              "Soviet scientists managed to resurrect Stalin. In continuation of the experiment, he was slowly taken to the XX Congress of the CPSU, where the report of the General Secretary - Khrushchev, was going on.
              In the midst of the debate, Stalin got up and rose to the podium. In the hall screams, noise, whine.
              Walking slowly in front of the podium, Stalin waited for the noise to subside in the hall. Quietly:
              - I have two proposals: I’ll shoot half of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee (pointing out the data on my comrades). And paint the mausoleum in green.
              Long pause. Then a timid voice from the audience:
              - Comrade Stalin, but why green?
              Stalin, satisfied:
              - I thought that there would be no objection to the first proposal ... "
      3. vladek64
        vladek64 23 September 2015 21: 10 New
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        Can he be recalled? Is this an elected post?
        Is it possible to somehow initiate the procedure for expelling Dobrynin from power?
        1. demidov.evg
          demidov.evg 24 September 2015 07: 55 New
          10
          He will soon resign as a senator. The deadline is ending ... I hope the new term (in the not too distant future) ex-senator Dobrynin will work elsewhere and in a different role (maybe he should try to cut the forest - instead of the budget?).
      4. Alexey Boukin
        Alexey Boukin 23 September 2015 21: 31 New
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        Where do they come from, ready to vulgarize and stick to everything that preceded today, the label of total crime? And an even bigger question is where do they come from in our power? And he is not the only one in the "elite circles".
        All this evil spirits out of its holes precisely when difficulties arise in the country. Their goal is catching fish in troubled waters, once again show off in front of the west, which they see in their dreams.
        1. demidov.evg
          demidov.evg 24 September 2015 07: 58 New
          +1
          Moreover, these dreams are clearly of an erotic nature.
        2. CALL.
          CALL. 24 September 2015 09: 30 New
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          Quote: marlin1203
          Another lover of dusting his head with ashes ... enough already, after the 90s they barely laundered. What happened in our great and terrible history was. You need to remember and go forward.

          The thing is that we don’t repent of anything. Here's a note on the scale of repression. She has been known for about 20 years, but only liberal traitors tried not to notice her. Then the lie about the millions shot and tens of millions (totaled 80 and even 100) of the repressed falls apart like a house in the sand.
          February 1, 1954, to the Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Comrade Khrushchev N.S.
          In connection with the signals received by a number of persons from the CPSU Central Committee about the illegal conviction for counter-revolutionary crimes in previous years by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika, the Special Conference, the Military Collegium, the courts and military tribunals, and in accordance with your instructions on the need to review cases against convicted persons for counterrevolutionary crimes and currently held in camps and prisons, we report: during the period from 1921 to the present, 3.777.380 people have been convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes, including 642.980 people for VMN NIJ in camps and prisons for a period of 25 years and below - 2.369.220, in exile and expulsion - 765.180 people.
          Of the total number of convicts, tentatively, the following were convicted: 2.900.000 people - by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika and the Special Conference and 877.000 people - by the courts, military tribunals, the Special Collegium and the Military Collegium.
          ... It should be noted that created by the Decree of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of November 5, 1934, the Special Meeting at the NKVD of the USSR, which lasted until September 1, 1953, sentenced 442.531 people, including 10.101 people to VMN, to deprivation freedom - 360.921 people, to exile and expulsion (within the country) - 57.539 people and other penalties (offsetting the time spent in custody, expulsion abroad, compulsory treatment) - 3.970 people ... Attorney General R. Rudenko Minister of Internal Affairs S. Kruglov Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin
          And another myth about Beria as a henchman who unleashed bloody repression. If we look at the statistics of repressions, it turns out that for less than 15 years from 1939 until the day of Beria’s arrest in the USSR, 54253 people were sentenced to death (42149 of them in 1941-1945), while in 1937- 1938 681692 death sentences were imposed. http://www.politpros.com/journal/read/?ID=783&journal=97 After Beria was appointed to the post of People's Commissar of the NKVD, the scale of repression decreased, and the executioners themselves were convicted and executed. Yes, there’s still a lot to understand what was happening in that troubled and tragic time, but for me one thing is clear - Anti-Stalinism occupies a key position in Russophobic propaganda, they strive to impose a sense of guilt and a sense of national inferiority on our people in order to prevent a possible patriotic surge in the consciousness of the Russian people. That is why the era of the greatest success of our country was chosen, when our people overcame a series of deadly crises and brought Russia to the level of a superpower - it accomplished exactly what needs to be done now.
          1. Arandir
            Arandir 25 September 2015 10: 49 New
            +2
            Here are the words of Stalin in an interview with Kollontai ....
            And as if concluding, he emphasized:
            “All this will fall on the shoulders of the Russian people. For the Russian people are a great people. The Russian people are good people. The Russian people have a clear mind. He was born to help other nations. Great courage is inherent in the Russian people, especially in difficult times, in dangerous times. He is initiative. He has a persistent character. He is a dreamy people. He has a goal. Therefore, it is harder for him than other nations. You can rely on him for any trouble. The Russian people are irresistible, inexhaustible. ”
            If He treated the Russian people like that, why should we succumb to the opinion imposed on us by those who hate the Russian people and inspire us that we are worthless, incapable of anything, retarded dense barbarians and drunks.
            Yes, we must adore Him and love, as the children of a loving, kind and caring father love.
      5. spiriolla-45
        spiriolla-45 25 September 2015 10: 52 New
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        Which to the wall, on the count goat face should be planted.
        The Germans were choked with guilt, so they are at least for the cause and they want to equate us with them. These ghouls of the Leberastian heads should be turned away without hesitation.
    2. sanja.grw
      sanja.grw 23 September 2015 15: 45 New
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      Another fan of dusting his head with ash
    3. sever.56
      sever.56 23 September 2015 16: 02 New
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      It is necessary to inquire - from which subject of the federation he was sent to the Federation Council for "feeding". And ask a couple of questions to the governor of this region or republic: - maybe he also shares the views of this representative of the "fifth column", who miraculously found himself in one of the highest legislative bodies. Gaizer should not get bored on the bunk without thieves and traitors like him, who are still quietly behind the shield of immunity.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 23 September 2015 16: 10 New
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        Quote: sever.56
        It is necessary to inquire - from what constituent entity of the federation he was sent to the Federation Council for "feeding".

        A member of the Federation Council of the FS from the Arkhangelsk region - Duc the other day they wrote about him already, he was still worried about "universal human rights", he put forward some ideas for pi. Forgiving the races, they say not to prohibit, but to solve something , they say, let them marry and live for themselves, in short, they seem to stand up for their own. belay
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 23 September 2015 16: 20 New
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          Quote: Corsair
          for pi. prostigospodi. rasov something put forward some ideas

          At the end of June, 2015 announced the possibility of recognizing same-sex marriages in Russia and the need to reduce the level of social aggression against sexual minorities. See also rear-wheel drive!
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          2. podpolkovnik
            podpolkovnik 23 September 2015 17: 14 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Corsair
            for pi. prostigospodi. rasov something put forward some ideas

            At the end of June, 2015 announced the possibility of recognizing same-sex marriages in Russia and the need to reduce the level of social aggression against sexual minorities. See also rear-wheel drive!
        2. jjj
          jjj 23 September 2015 18: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          Member of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly from the Arkhangelsk Region

          The man left the Ilim-Pulp management team
        3. Altona
          Altona 23 September 2015 18: 33 New
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          Quote: Corsair
          A member of the Federation Council of the FS from the Arkhangelsk region - Duc the other day they wrote about him already, he was still worried about "universal human rights", he put forward some ideas for pi. Forgiving the races, they say not to prohibit, but to solve something , they say, let them marry and live for themselves, in short, they seem to stand up for their own.

          -------------------
          So he needs not to sit in the SovFed, but to go to his own people, to the "rainbow parade" in Copenhagen and Amsterdam ... laughing
        4. tank64rus
          tank64rus 23 September 2015 19: 25 New
          +9
          And what, as on this guardian pid ... they look in the Arkhangelsk region. Maybe he should try the charms of an ordinary bunk, camp cliff and "Friendship-2". Then, in the fresh air and taiga fitness, recovery will come, otherwise the Canaries in this case will not help in any way.
        5. tank64rus
          tank64rus 23 September 2015 19: 25 New
          +1
          And what, as on this guardian pid ... they look in the Arkhangelsk region. Maybe he should try the charms of an ordinary bunk, camp cliff and "Friendship-2". Then, in the fresh air and taiga fitness, recovery will come, otherwise the Canaries in this case will not help in any way.
      2. andranick
        andranick 23 September 2015 16: 19 New
        +7
        Konstantin Dobrynin, Deputy Chairman of the Committee of the Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation on constitutional legislation and state building.
        Member of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly from Arkhangelsk region
        1. 1goose3
          1goose3 23 September 2015 17: 19 New
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          And that the Arkhangelsk region does not have the opportunity to find an adequate representative in the Federation Council? And Matvienko V.I. it is necessary to take a closer look, these are not the thoughts of a "foolish", this is a position, and an anti-Russian one.
        2. SALLAK
          SALLAK 23 September 2015 22: 29 New
          +9
          Piedr ... as there is a piedr ...! He’s also blessed ... In the fool, he must be for an unlimited period of time ... let’s sit there ...
        3. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 24 September 2015 20: 01 New
          +1
          Something about this face bone is suspicious!
          Residents of the Arkhangelsk region, could you revoke the mandate of this "respected deputy"?
          Such fattened must be felled, for 15 years!
      3. demidov.evg
        demidov.evg 24 September 2015 08: 43 New
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        Quote: sever.56
        It is necessary to ask - from which subject of the federation he was put in the Federation Council for "feeding"

        So, after all, the 21st century is in the yard! And you are not reading the newspaper that you received from the postman this morning. What prevents you from "inquiring" on the Internet?
        Yes, as comrades have already suggested, K. Dobrynin has been nominated to the Federation Council from the Arkhangelsk region. And lately he has been lit up not only with the protection of gays and a bill against the "rehabilitation of Stalinism", but also with a proposal to perpetuate the memory of Boris Nemtsov, and a decisive rebuke to the Crimean prosecutor N. Poklonskaya (about the abdication of Nicholas II ... he apparently has nothing more to do) and, presumably, many others, worthy of hot handshakes from the handshake audience. Senator Dobrynin maintains an official blog and you can get acquainted with all his legislative initiatives and statements on various topics on the Internet.
        It should be noted that this senator became especially active towards the end of his term as a deputy in the Federation Council (and he is unlikely to be re-delegated there). Apparently, he is now "gaining points" in front of someone, in whose eyes his lawmaking and simply publicistic activity looks quite presentable and handshake. It is possible that in front of the Norwegians.
        Indeed, the Arkhangelsk region is a Russian region where for 25 years Norwegian special services have been actively working (and continue to work successfully) under the guise of non-governmental organizations. At least a whole generation of Russians has grown up there, in which agents of foreign influence are deeply rooted and there is a potential for regional ethno-separatism (the Norwegians, with the help of their agents of influence, actively instilled into the minds of the Arkhangelsk people that they are not Russians, but a special ethnos - "Pomors", descendants of the Vikings). Promotion of "Pomor culture" intersected with "gender studies". So a number of activists for the revival of the "Pomors" are at the same time activists of the LGBT movement.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 24 September 2015 09: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: demidov.evg
          The promotion of "Pomor culture" intersected with "gender studies". So, a number of activists for the revival of the "Pomors" are at the same time activists of the LGBT movement.

          belay descendants of the Vikings - pid..sy, how it really does not fit, where this world is heading.
        2. internatio
          internatio 26 September 2015 15: 35 New
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          Dear demidov.evg! In July of this year, I was in just one such ethnocamp in the Arkhangelsk region. Norwegians were not there. There was a French socialist and a Swede of German descent. The Swede Tom Becker says on his forehead that he does not need folklore, but Plesetsk, which was 300 km away in a straight line. Moreover, the Swede was in the army, possesses knowledge at a level no less than our lieutenant. There were no ideas in this eco-camp that you are talking about. Nobody exalted any Pomors. On the contrary, the deep Russian northern ethnos: songs, dances, making household utensils, studying the state of the forest - that's what was there. So let's separate the flies from the meat. For interest, I recommend visiting the page in the contact "Forest School". Not all environmentalists and eco-educators are corrupt. What I personally saw this summer.
      4. Arandir
        Arandir 25 September 2015 11: 12 New
        +2
        Stop calling Gaiser, Makarevich, Nemtsov, Yeltsin, Akhedzhakova, Navalny, Gorbachev and still very, very many traitors. You can betray (not of course) your people. The fact that they speak Russian and have surnames that sound as if in Russian and Russian names does not make them Russian. Accordingly, they do not betray anyone. They are like undercover agents, illegal agents. These are weeds in a field of wheat or rye. And just like a foreign weed on the field, so are these. They are strangers. Their task is to destroy, interfere with the development of human society. This they embody the notorious plan of Dulles to destroy the most rebellious apparently their will of the people.
        Jesus Christ called them tares and wolves in sheep's clothing.
        If a wolf climbed into a shepherd and slaughtered all the sheep, the shepherd would not call him a traitor on the grounds that the wolf looks like a dog. He knows that the wolf is an enemy.
        And Joseph Vissarionovich also knew well who the enemy was. And took action. The enemy of the people must be or isolated from the people, that is, they were given a chance to change. Or destroyed if the enemy is incorrigible.
        Because Stalin was a very good "shepherd"
    4. varov14
      varov14 23 September 2015 16: 08 New
      +7
      And these dubo.lomy in the Federation Council, not a damn thing in the propaganda in the right direction. Bury them in a hole for stupidity.
      1. larand
        larand 23 September 2015 16: 18 New
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        Quote: varov14
        And these dubo.lomy in the Federation Council, not a damn thing in the propaganda in the right direction. Bury them in a hole for stupidity.


        You are wrong, they are just in line.
        "Ugly Stalinist time" - guess whose words these are.
        1. Mareman Vasilich
          Mareman Vasilich 23 September 2015 17: 15 New
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          That's right. Vladimir Putin himself said this. But in fact, this bastard, Dobrynin, wants to make an entire era outlawed. Look, the time of I. Stalin’s reign is industrialization, a twice restored country and a great Victory at least. Recognizing this time as illegal, and even equated with Nazism, he is trying to make our victory and achievements outside the law criminal. In his opinion, we should declare our ancestors, who gave their lives for us, criminals. Yes, with such power, and enemies are not needed. Alive would bury him, a traitor and a skinner.
          1. gunter_laux
            gunter_laux 23 September 2015 18: 43 New
            +2
            And an hour, Kostyan, not from Pindo. This gnida was probably born yesterday, or somewhere in the 60-70s? Where did he live, where did he get his education, how does he live with such a conscience?
          2. Koshak
            Koshak 23 September 2015 21: 15 New
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            Quote: Mareman Vasilich
            We would live to bury him, a traitor and a janitor.

            This is what he is afraid of. If the country will have the same order as it was under Stalin, then all sorts of Dobrynins will not sit in the Federation Council in Moscow and not even in Arkhangelsk, but somewhere in the Kolyma forest will be cut.
            1. gunya
              gunya 23 September 2015 22: 03 New
              +1
              You can send to Chukotka to mine gold and rare earths. Judging by the ryah with BSL-110 will be controlled.
            2. Amurets
              Amurets 24 September 2015 00: 25 New
              +4
              And what does the Arkhangelsk region not suit you for? The forest is bigger there, and you don’t need to spend money on transportation.
        2. bastard
          bastard 23 September 2015 17: 15 New
          +8
          Quote: larand
          "Ugly Stalinist time" - guess whose words these are.

          Pre-war industrialization, victory in the Great Patriotic War, restoration of the economy destroyed by the war as soon as possible, the development of atomic energy and the parallel development of Soviet industry, including electronic, aviation and shipbuilding and, as a result, space access and the formation of the USSR among the leading powers planets - all this, from the point of view of the author you indicated (or those who blow his ears), is reached at an unacceptable price. I would like to hear concrete proposals from the aforementioned author, besides bleating and slogans in the style of Trotsky, what, in his wise opinion, should there be a price? What price does he want to do for the formation of Russia at the present time? How many more hundreds of billions of dollars you need to pump from the country to the West, how much more you need to reduce funding for health and education, how much more you need to cut prices for housing and communal services, how many more millions of hectares of Russian land must be transferred for use by the Chinese, etc. become an advanced state?
    5. ava09
      ava09 23 September 2015 16: 17 New
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      This is not a "fan of sprinkling ashes on his head," Dobrynin is an ENEMY! The time of Stalin's rule is criminal to call the CRIMINAL REGIME, because only enemies of the people call it that, starting with the Trotskyist Khrushchev, whose hands are covered in blood up to the elbows. No court recognized Stalin as a criminal, and if it did, it would be a trial ordered by Gorbachert, Yakovlev, Gaidar, Alkash, Chubais, and it is not clear from which cloaca Dobrynin got out, as well as all of them, a truly criminal clique.
      1. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 23 September 2015 17: 16 New
        +5
        I shake my hand, comrade.
        1. jjj
          jjj 23 September 2015 18: 12 New
          +5
          Judging by how the governors began to hide the ends of their affairs, our time will soon be declared bloody Putin's despotism. And all liberal circles, and the West will pick it up
        2. SibSlavRus
          SibSlavRus 23 September 2015 18: 22 New
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          These are the experiences and foresight of the real "father of nations" - the leader of the strongest Power in the world!
          Pay attention to his prophetic words, in fact.

          “Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat on, above all, abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements. He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as raw appendage. And my name will also be slandered, slandered. Many atrocities will be attributed to me.
          World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The edge of the struggle will be directed primarily at breaking this friendship, at breaking off the outskirts from Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything yet. Here is still a big field of work.
          Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.
          In general, in the future development will go more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East will be particularly upset. There will be sharp contradictions with the West.
          And yet, no matter how events unfold, time will pass, and the views of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due in full. They will build their future on our past. "
          “All this will fall on the shoulders of the Russian people. For the Russian people are a great people. The Russian people are good people. The Russian people have a clear mind. He was born to help other nations. Great courage is inherent in the Russian people, especially in difficult times, in dangerous times. He is initiative. He has a persistent character. He is a dreamy people. He has a goal, and therefore it is harder for him than other nations. You can rely on him for any trouble. The Russian people are irresistible, inexhaustible. " -I. Stalin in a conversation with A. Kollontai
      2. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 23 September 2015 19: 26 New
        +1
        Wretch and Java09:
        Well done! 100 +++
        1. bastard
          bastard 23 September 2015 19: 51 New
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          hi Thank you comrade!
          1. m262
            m262 23 September 2015 21: 22 New
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            I don't understand, comrades, why are you worried? The time is now, all with. at. about. l. about. t. a. climbs out, just sit and write down, prepare volumes for the case, apparently in the State Department they were really afraid that they were draining their agents of influence. This is only good for us, let them shout, I hope "those who need it" write it down!
      3. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 24 September 2015 11: 33 New
        +1
        You just misunderstood, he voiced what our wise liberal Power has been trying for a long time. And there, unfortunately, is not the only such gentleman. He clearly understands that if they Lord at the highest level of government are slow, a change may occur and these gentlemen will become history. Hurry. It's just ridiculous. The people require that everyone be responsible for their affairs. And this is from their point of view an attempt on democracy. I really want the Saints for them Nineties. There, thank God, they were not responsible for affairs and they would like to continue this way.
    6. Twice RUSSIAN
      Twice RUSSIAN 24 September 2015 08: 50 New
      +1
      Has anyone heard of a law that condemns the colonial policy of Europe. Under the king of Belgium, Leopold in Angola, 20 million people out of 40 million of the total population of the country were destroyed, the destruction of people stopped at the beginning of the 20th century, this is only Belgium.
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    8. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 24 September 2015 11: 11 New
      +6
      Sorry about what ashes you write here. A mine is buried here much more seriously than you think. Yes, we ourselves condemned those terrible facts of our history, but this is not the only matter. Our dear old people who are offended by us pass away and our greatest achievements and victories go away that we won with such hard work. These very democrats made our old people guilty of everything is good and bad. But it’s not the case with the old people. A tremendous effort is being made to rewrite history. And the goal is quite clearly traced. After 1917 until 1993, everything is immoral and therefore needs to be revised. That's the main goal, everything else is byproducts. The 1920s and the years that were terrible for our Motherland, laws were passed Then DECREE was called that they hammered the first big nail into the Democratic Community. Yes, then all citizens were declared equal before each other and before the law without any difference. And all peoples for the first time received equal rights to their own language in participation in governing the state. And it didn’t matter whether big or small people are all equal. This is really a crushing blow to m countries of democracy. Where it is seen that some natives called peoples have their own language. And for completeness, the entire population of the Country (USSR) must learn to read and write. And where in Russia the majority of the people were illiterate. Read the statistics of the Russian Empire before its collapse. Very instructive. That's where the democrats beat. By the way, then all the classes in the law were declared forever. The main stronghold of the autocracy. By the way, the church tried to intervene in politics and in the end also received its bitter share. She does not like to admit her mistakes. Yes, terrible and very interesting years. Even now, after so many years, the majority of the people enjoy the rights and obligations that criminal power gave the world. With respect to everyone on the site.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 September 2015 15: 31 New
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    Yes, that’s exactly what they want. So that we meekly pay and repent. Indeed, in order to move the country forward, to raise industry, science, and medicine, efforts must be expended. Not banknotes, but time, nerves, intelligence. And to those in power, this applies to a greater extent than to the rest. And integration into European values, we have already seen where it leads. Themselves after EBN barely came to their senses, and the territory of 404 before our eyes.
    1. bastard
      bastard 23 September 2015 16: 21 New
      +8
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Yes, that’s exactly what they want. So that we meekly pay and repent

      Let them begin with themselves.
      ... Soon it will be almost a hundred years since the combined forces of the West are fighting, they are fighting, but they still can’t recognize communism as criminal.

      Than to consider the gossips to work. . .
      The communist idea was born in the West and came to Russia from there. Let the West repent for T. Campanella ("City of the Sun"), K. Marx and F. Engels ("Manifesto of the Communist Party" and others), T. Mora ("Utopia"), etc., there are many people reading here that can continue the list. Christianity, communism, democracy came to us from the West, and whatever "correct" and "humanistic" idea came to Russia from them, it only generated discord in society and slaughter in our land.
      1. ava09
        ava09 23 September 2015 19: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: villain
        Than to consider the gossips to work. . .
        The communist idea was born in the West and came to Russia from there.

        Moreover, the communist idea was possible only within the framework of the existence of capitalism, as a reverse pole or second leg. So capitalism has become limp after the amputation of the second "leg" in 1991. -)
  3. Riv
    Riv 23 September 2015 15: 37 New
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    Dobrynin - this is not the case that the rights of homosexuals defended?
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 23 September 2015 16: 11 New
      +9
      Quote: Riv
      Dobrynin - this is not the case that the rights of homosexuals defended?

      wassat in-in - he is the most!
  4. 79807420129
    79807420129 23 September 2015 15: 37 New
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    Stalin took Russia with a plow, and left with an atomic bomb. Such in the 90s and now they expel us into the Stone Age.
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 23 September 2015 18: 29 New
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      Even the enemies of Russia did not allow themselves what the "descendants" of the glorious Soviet past allow (for me, this is genetic trash with a sleek muzzle of a homosexual capitalist formation).
      The following is an example of Churchill's words.
      It is also worth de Gaulle to test!

      About Stalin and global politics 1938 - 1941
      "The British Encyclopedia of the 1964 edition, volume 5, page 250, information about Stalin:

      From a speech by W. Churchill in the House of Lords on December 21, 1959, on the occasion of the 80 anniversary of the birth of I.V. Stalin:

      “It was great happiness for Russia that during the years of difficult trials, Russia was headed by the genius and unshakable commander I.V. Stalin. He was an outstanding personality who impressed the cruel time of the period in which his whole life passed.

      Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy, erudition and unbending will, sharp, tough, merciless both in business and in conversation, which even I, raised in the English parliament, could not oppose.

      Stalin, above all, had a great sense of sarcasm and humor, as well as the ability to accurately express his thoughts. Stalin wrote speeches only himself, and gigantic power always sounded in his works. This power was so great in Stalin that it seemed unique among the leaders of all times and peoples.

      Stalin made the greatest impression on us. His influence on people was irresistible. When he entered the hall of the Yalta Conference, we all, as if on command, stood up and, strange thing, for some reason held our hands at the seams.
      He possessed a deep, devoid of any panic, logical and meaningful wisdom. Stalin was an unsurpassed master in finding in difficult moments the way out of the most hopeless situation. In the most difficult moments, as well as in moments of triumph, he was equally restrained, never succumbed to illusions. He was an unusually complex person. He created and subjugated a vast empire. It was a man who destroyed his enemy with his hands and made us, whom he openly called imperialists, rebel against the imperialists.

      Stalin was the greatest, unparalleled dictator in the world. He accepted Russia with a plow, and left it equipped with atomic weapons.

      No! No matter what they say about him, such a story and people do not forget ”!!!
  5. Russia
    Russia 23 September 2015 15: 38 New
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    Another Judas Dobrynin ...
    Who let this reptile into the Duma. After all, they chose it, and then sang differently to climb through.
    One word - ! am
    Oh, a lot more work to the comrades in the Lubyanka.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 23 September 2015 16: 35 New
      +2
      Who let this reptile into the Duma
      And you try not to vote for EdRo in the next election.
    2. WINovikov
      WINovikov 23 September 2015 16: 40 New
      -1
      In Lubyanka they do not want to do such things. That would not mess up the handle.
      1. bastard
        bastard 23 September 2015 18: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: WINovikov
        In Lubyanka they do not want to do such things. That would not mess up the handle.

        Lubyanka is now a private security company of big business, which is run by ZAO Krasny Zabor.
  6. Loner_53
    Loner_53 23 September 2015 15: 41 New
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    Member of the Federation Council (Federation Council) Konstantin Dobrynin
    It would be interesting if this world existed member if not for I.V. Stalin.
    I didn’t decide to bend before the tanned owner. I must drive such .... amdoes not miss p ... ju, I write to the mattress
    1. Cyril7377
      Cyril7377 23 September 2015 16: 24 New
      +4
      yes that one :)) Konstantin Eduardovich Dobrynin - Russian political and public figure, anti-Soviet, member of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly from the Arkhangelsk region. Deputy Chairman of the Committee of the Council of the Federation on Constitutional Legislation and State Building.
      Became known for publicly criticizing plans to tighten Russian laws: Roskomnadzor's ban on specifying in the press the reasons for the suicides of terminally ill people and the law on the so-called "right to be forgotten" on the Internet, the "Dima Yakovlev Law", as well as Irina Yarovaya's bill banning criticism of the actions of the anti-Hitler coalition troops ... At the end of June 2015, he announced the possibility of recognizing same-sex marriages in Russia and the need to reduce the level of public aggression towards sexual minorities
  7. Mera joota
    Mera joota 23 September 2015 15: 42 New
    -23
    Survived, the turret now on VO will register?
    1. bubla5
      bubla5 23 September 2015 16: 35 New
      +2
      So in the Duma every fifth
  8. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 23 September 2015 15: 42 New
    +9
    I wonder if there are any mechanisms to declare this mu..ile "impeachment"? What signatures to collect in order to submit to the president?
    1. tomket
      tomket 23 September 2015 15: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Olegovi4
      are there any mechanisms to declare this mu..ile "impeachment"?

      You can just fill your face.
      1. 56_br
        56_br 24 September 2015 10: 31 New
        +1
        It’s not enough just to fill the face, you have to make it very painful, so that, using his example, the rest would not be similar to him.
    2. 97110
      97110 23 September 2015 15: 58 New
      +5
      Regarding impeachment (what a word. American directly!). Yesterday it was discussed at VO, I just repeat my comment.

      97110 RU Yesterday, 10:06 | A member of the Federation Council proposes to equate "rehabilitation of Stalinism" with extremist activity

      Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Drive this in the neck!

      How does it "drive"? You have to answer for the market, especially for the rotten one. There are no "poor" senators. It would be nice to pick the sources and directions of the senator's financial and economic activities from children and households. And determine the sanction. Even if conditionally - they say, "in the absence of fish you yourself will become cancer."
    3. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 25 September 2015 07: 04 New
      +1
      There is no law on the recall of elected persons. The Duma constantly puts it off saying that it is not relevant to ditch the Legislative Branch of the Government. Somehow, our chosen people in power express their fears. This is perfectly interpreted with the beloved Power of the ROMAN LAW unfortunately. It is very fond of this RIGHT of slaveholding ROMA. Probably very advanced. There, elected officials are responsible only to themselves, now they have stuck the modern word CONSCIENCE. And of course, before GOD. Such a word the voter is completely absent. If you delve into the election of parliamentarians in other countries, you can find a lot of interesting things but just not apply to us. The modern elite will never agree to the opportunity its limitations. They are not in vain talking about the revolution of the early 90's.
  9. tomket
    tomket 23 September 2015 15: 42 New
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    Or maybe in the beginning send the period of Yeltsin's rule to the "judgment of history"? Here it will be possible to convict and imprison the perpetrators. Fortunately, not everyone has moved to a better world after Yeltsin.
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  11. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 23 September 2015 15: 49 New
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    About counteracting the “rehabilitation” of Stalinism: so that we pay and repent

  12. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 23 September 2015 15: 51 New
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    He would have to look at him, and ask why all this vagabond, especially since the cult of Stalin’s personality has long been recognized, and so there’s no need to stir up the old one, it’s just history, and history is being studied so as to prevent this from happening again (I in particular I have all these arrests by anonymous letters).
  13. feniks
    feniks 23 September 2015 15: 51 New
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    And I would have lived once again, in Stalin's times, and people like Dobryninsky were afraid of them. A cat knows whose meat has eaten. Of course, a donkey can kick a dead lion. I only know one thing, history cannot be turned back.
  14. Maksus
    Maksus 23 September 2015 15: 52 New
    18
    That is, everyone who went to the attack "For the Motherland, for Stalin" - criminals? Most of the Red Army in 1945 are not heroes, but extemists ??? I would check this member of the Federation Council myself, for sanity.
    It is high time to pass a law prohibiting the condemnation of OUR history of the period of the USSR, it is already necessary to rehabilitate both white and red. But at the time of the "dashing nineties" it is not too late to walk ... There is someone to plant.
  15. sinukvl
    sinukvl 23 September 2015 16: 00 New
    33
    Mr. (do not think that Mr.) Dobrynin, may call me an extremist Stalinist, but I believed and continue to believe that it was thanks to Comrade Stalin that our country from poverty and collapsed after the Civil War turned not only into a superpower and was able to win the Great Patriotic War, but and received an impetus for its development for 40-50 years. And those individuals who scare us with the great terror and Stalinist camps, not only do not cite real facts in support of their words, but only give out the phrases "and I know this," "and I learned this from Vasya Pupkin, who ..." And it began with the "offended" Judas Khrusha and Sakharov, and continued with the filing of the Tagged One.
    And below the words of a man who as early as 60 began to think about what really happened under Stalin.
    1. Maksus
      Maksus 23 September 2015 16: 04 New
      -21
      Everything is correct, but Academician Sakharov should not be considered a Judas. The smartest person, after all, is one of the creators of our Bomb. Has the right to disagree. But Khrushchev - yes ....
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 23 September 2015 16: 12 New
        22
        Quote: Maksus
        The smartest person, after all, is one of the creators of our Bomb.

        Only now he created it in the "Stalinist sharashka" with such support that most people never dreamed of. well - that's right, because it worked for the country then. As for the "smartest man" - the smartest would not sing from the voice of E. Bonner's wife. so Sakharov is a talent, but only in a narrow specialty.
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 23 September 2015 16: 18 New
          -15
          Well, clearly more talented than you and me, or do you have the same inventions in your pocket? Have you witnessed his family life? And about the "sharashka" - he CREATED, you know? I did it, you can't do this out of a stick.
          1. sinukvl
            sinukvl 23 September 2015 16: 21 New
            +7
            And there was just a very good gingerbread, such as material goods that a simple scientist could not even dream of. So, what is not necessary at the expense of a free artist, is not necessary.
        2. Nikoha.2010
          Nikoha.2010 23 September 2015 21: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: Egoza
          Sakharov is a talent, but only in a narrow specialty.

          Yes Lena! For some reason, everyone remembers the leaders, nuclear physicists, but ordinary people who survived all this should not be forgotten. In Ukraine, they are ready to break everything, only there is not enough money. Rename, destroy, and what in return? Sorry about the topic left. It is insulting and painful sometimes, but who cares? Thank God that our children do not know this insanity, although we educate them in the Soviet way, but this is the best that we can convey to them! IMHO!
      2. sinukvl
        sinukvl 23 September 2015 16: 14 New
        15
        And when this "smartest" and also say "the kindest man", after his bomb suggested a super torpedo with a super-powerful nuclear warhead, the purpose of which was only one - a strike on the US coast (for example, Los Angeles, New York), and even our admirals, who never suffered from softness, said that this is already beyond the bounds and it is inhuman, and also very similar to what the Yankees did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, offended, inflamed with peacefulness and went into dissidence. A dove of peace and a prisoner of conscience in one pancake!
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 23 September 2015 16: 21 New
          -18
          But this is complete nonsense. That is, a nuclear bomb from an airplane to a city is always the case, they are generals. And the admirals of the torpedo were scared? You probably heard about Operation Behemoth, that is, a full onboard salvo of vigorous missiles at a potential enemy did not frighten them? Rather, the person simply understood what kind of "genie" he released. This is called conscience, and so is courage. To go against the system, not by writing a denunciation, but an open speech - eggs are needed here.
          1. sinukvl
            sinukvl 23 September 2015 16: 27 New
            13
            And why did he, with his gin in the form of a torpedo, hit the thresholds of all military departments for two years and only with one request that it would be accepted into service. And when he realized that he would not get a bonus or a salary increase from this, he was offended and turned into a "fighter for peace" for green rubles, until he was exiled to Gorky. It took him a long time about gin.
            1. Maksus
              Maksus 23 September 2015 16: 32 New
              -17
              What torpedo? What are you talking about? The USSR is not the Pentagon. Here the military sets the task - and the KB does. Nobody does it in advance, and even more so does not upholster the thresholds. Yes, there are cases of competition and pressure by authority (such as Tupolev’s eternal victory in the field of strategic bombers), but this is clearly not the situation? And how are you going to use the TORPEDOI to strike at the shore?
              1. sinukvl
                sinukvl 23 September 2015 16: 37 New
                17
                And you carefully read the memoirs of Sakharov

                "Sakharov himself recalled it this way:

                “After testing the“ large ”product, I was worried that there was no good carrier for it (bombers don't count, it's easy to shoot them down) - that is, in a military sense, we were working in vain. I decided that such a carrier could be a large torpedo launched from a submarine ...

                One of the first with whom I discussed this project was Rear Admiral F. Fomin (in the past - the military commander, it seems, Hero of the Soviet Union).

                He was shocked by the "cannibalistic" nature of the project, noticed in a conversation with me that naval sailors are used to fighting an armed enemy in open battle and that the very thought of such mass murder is disgusting for him. "
                . Then Sakharov wrote: "I was ashamed and never again discussed my project with anyone." But here the respected academician is clearly cunning, contradicting himself: "One of the first with whom I discussed this project was ...". If there were "first", then there were "subsequent" ...

                In fact, the admiral's name was Peter Fomich Fomin, he headed the 6th Directorate of the Navy of the USSR and made a worthy contribution to the process of creating the latest nuclear weapons.

                The question arises:

                why did the admiral speak so categorically sharply against the academician's plans for "washing America off with a giant tsunami wave"?

                The simple answer seems to be correct:

                Battle Admiral Pyotr Fomin knew all the horror of human slaughter, before his eyes human lives were cut short before the deadline, he saw the terrible features of war and did not want anyone to die, especially since he was against the mass destruction of people; the armchair scientist, academician Andrei Sakharov, did not feel the horror of the war, and that is why he easily created a plan (possibly successful) of victory over the enemy, the implementation of which would inevitably entail mass murders of a huge number of innocent people ... "
                http://pandia.ru/text/78/193/46539.php

                And there is also a good proverb "Do not wash dirty linen in public." Any person would have acted differently - he realized that he had done evil, he would have given up doing it, and what Sakharov did, he began to throw mud at the country that raised him, taught him and gave him many benefits, this is already an act of Judas. And after it, all previous merits can be crossed out.
                1. Maksus
                  Maksus 23 September 2015 19: 10 New
                  -16
                  Do you yourself believe that? Throwing a bomb from an airplane or launching a missile from an atomic submarine does not frighten the admiral ("war man"), but a nuclear torpedo does frighten. Rave. Moreover, enchanting. There was no money on this topic, that's possible, if the caliber of the torpedo for the delivery of the product is presented ...
                  Do you want another reason for the minuses?) Joseph Brodsky is a patriot, a man who sincerely loved Russia, a country that took everything from him! Well, cheers, go ahead, minus!
                  1. MrK
                    MrK 24 September 2015 15: 13 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Maksus
                    He was shocked by the "cannibalistic" nature of the project, noticed in a conversation with me that naval sailors are used to fighting an armed enemy in open battle and that the very thought of such mass murder is disgusting for him. "


                    Brother war is war. And the use of nuclear weapons as a response to their use by the enemy is quite justified.
                    But Sakharov then proposed before the war to destroy not a soldier, but a civilian population.
                    Is there really no brain to see the difference.

                    "Admiral Fomin was shocked by the "cannibalistic" nature of the project, noticed in a conversation with me that the sailors were used to fighting an armed enemy in open battle and that the very idea of ​​such a mass murder of civilians was disgusting for him".
              2. evge-malyshev
                evge-malyshev 23 September 2015 20: 02 New
                +2
                Quote: Maksus
                (such as Tupolev’s eternal victory in the field of strategic bombers


                Dear, there were no eternal victories of Tupolev. It was the implementation of Government Decisions on the development and creation of one or another model of BT. At the same time, the accumulated development experience, the employment of a particular order, and many, many other factors were taken into account.
                Exactly the same approach was taken to KB MIG, LA, IL.

                By the way, about the "field" of strategic bombers. The Myasishchev Design Bureau also dealt with strategists: M1, 3M, M4. Where are they? And the TU-95 is still in service and is the main carrier in the air component of the Russian nuclear triad: the Air Force, Strategic Missile Forces, and the Navy.
              3. evge-malyshev
                evge-malyshev 23 September 2015 20: 02 New
                +1
                Quote: Maksus
                (such as Tupolev’s eternal victory in the field of strategic bombers


                Dear, there were no eternal victories of Tupolev. It was the implementation of Government Decisions on the development and creation of one or another model of BT. At the same time, the accumulated development experience, the employment of a particular order, and many, many other factors were taken into account.
                Exactly the same approach was taken to KB MIG, LA, IL.

                By the way, about the "field" of strategic bombers. The Myasishchev Design Bureau also dealt with strategists: M1, 3M, M4. Where are they? And the TU-95 is still in service and is the main carrier in the air component of the Russian nuclear triad: the Air Force, Strategic Missile Forces, and the Navy.
                1. Maksus
                  Maksus 23 September 2015 21: 38 New
                  -6
                  Here are the fruits of the eternal Tupolev. Wonderful, breakthrough for its time, Sotka did not go into the series, because Andrei Nikolayevich sold the TU-22M3, which was not at all a modernization of the 22, but was a full-fledged new aircraft.
      3. gunya
        gunya 23 September 2015 22: 17 New
        +3
        I wonder how much time this "smartest man" would have spent to give the product the properties that can be used in practice if it had not been for an ordinary soldier who reminded about "lithium-6".
        We praise Sakharov, but they forgot about the soldier.
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 23 September 2015 23: 25 New
          -3
          What kind of soldier are we talking about? I do not know...
        2. Maksus
          Maksus 23 September 2015 23: 31 New
          -4
          Anyway, is it envious of you that Sakharov made a fusion? Well, reconcile, he is forever in history, and not you who write comments)))) and more minuses to me, ordinary people!
          1. kartalovkolya
            kartalovkolya 24 September 2015 09: 50 New
            +2
            Sakharov, then Sakharov, but I must note to you that not a single person, even "seven inches in his forehead" was able to do something like that, and you yourself, without wishing it, "pulled out" another Stalinist invention, made millions, and the fruits received one and sometimes not even involved in the event (as in the case of "Katyusha" - the authors of whom are in prison, who are under the bullets, and the informer appropriated the result)! I respect Sakharov, but looking the truth in the eyes, he was not the only one who created ours " THERM SERIES "!
            1. Maksus
              Maksus 24 September 2015 11: 14 New
              0
              Stop, stop! I did not say anything about Joseph Vissarionych. I just said that Sakharov, unlike Khrushchev, really deserved his place in history. Ferdinand Porsche also did a lot for alozych, but we did not consider him a Nazi and did not judge him in Nuremberg.
  16. moskowit
    moskowit 23 September 2015 16: 05 New
    +8
    For the majority of the people, who can barely make ends meet, living from paycheck to paycheck, almost all of them go to feed and pay for communal services and who have honestly and dignifiedly worked their whole lives, all these "moaning" of "democrats" of various kinds, deeply "on the drum". An honest worker will survive under any government. And for any government, he will be in demand. For a decent, truly people's power, a worker is needed to strengthen and strengthen the State, for the champions of "democratic Western values", for robbing and appropriating the labor of an honest worker ... Such are the pies ...
  17. starshina pv
    starshina pv 23 September 2015 16: 05 New
    +5
    expel Dobrynin and others like him, all this pro-Western coder, from Russia to a damn mother !!!!! let, they eat deliciously and sweetly drink Euro-American leftovers !!!!
  18. rfv0304
    rfv0304 23 September 2015 16: 06 New
    +9
    He is simply either (at best) or an enemy. In any case, this CD has no place on the federation council. Stalin would have sorted it out quickly (with his family). And it’s time for a long time. And then everyone shouts about the rights, and the fact that the rights are secondary, and the RESPONSIBILITY is primary, such shit democrats prefer to forget. So it is necessary to call such an forgetful to account! Forgot that there is such a thing as ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.
  19. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 23 September 2015 16: 10 New
    +5
    Member of the Federation Council (SF) Konstantin Dobrynin prepared a draft law “On Countering the Rehabilitation of the Crimes of the Stalinist Totalitarian Regime (Stalinism)”. The document states that “justifying the practice of mass persecution of citizens on a class, social, national, religious or other basis leads to a destabilization of the internal situation in the country.”


    Interestingly, this crowd of "people's choices" really has nothing to do, and they are mowed down by idleness, or are these isolated cases.
    I am not a politician and it is difficult for me to judge the effectiveness of the Federation Council, but purely from a human point of view, I really do not understand why to spend billions of rubles on the maintenance of a crowd of "representatives" of subjects, a large number of whom were simply removed from real politics for various reasons. Isn't it too expensive representation, especially as I understand the role of the Federation Council is reduced to the approval or disapproval of bills and other decisions.

    I really don’t understand why Russia needs a bicameral parliament. request
    1. WINovikov
      WINovikov 23 September 2015 16: 51 New
      +4
      Make work in the SF free of charge, take away all the benefits and the SF will quietly die. But the "guarantor" will not offer this - he will be afraid, and the "people's representatives" will not take the carrots away from themselves. So the SF will remain a hangout for parasites.
  20. Denis DV
    Denis DV 23 September 2015 16: 10 New
    +5
    This is not the first attempt to discredit! In an episode of repression, it scares me to record our losses in World War II, as losses from the repressions of Stalin. I hope that the legitimacy of such individuals will remain without movement!
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 23 September 2015 16: 53 New
      +1
      . I hope that the rule of law of such individuals will remain without movement
      And don't get your hopes up. The chief in the country has already decided to consider one initiative, "and not whether to cancel September 1". And since he hates the entire Soviet period and Comrade Stalino, he would gladly support such an initiative. Only it is not known if people will turn off their computers and go to the barricades. Although he should be afraid, today all the Muslims of the country glorified the president, "who cares about them and sets up mosques in Moscow."
  21. Belousov
    Belousov 23 September 2015 16: 11 New
    +7
    Alas, such statements have more and more recently. And the comrades from Lubyanka are exclusively occupied with protection, there are now no normal officers left. I judge in the Samara region. Here only border guards work more or less, while the rest either with the cops for drug trafficking bark or serve the interests of national groups or are themselves members of such groups. And it’s time to do the normal thing already. Oh ...
  22. 1536
    1536 23 September 2015 16: 16 New
    10
    This is how the road to hell is gradually being paved under the cover of "good intentions".
    The collapse of the USSR cost the United States absolutely free. We paid extra and is still paying. Probably, none of us will be able to assess the collapse of Russia, because in the concentration camps prepared by the Ukrainians, there will be no time for "assessments." And there is no talk of any thickened colors here. This is a reality that can become reality if we follow the path of "perestroika 2.0".
  23. imugn
    imugn 23 September 2015 16: 18 New
    12
    Konstantin Dobrynin, won a grant from the Library of Congress and the Center for the Study of Organized Crime and Corruption at St. Petersburg State University. Trained in the USA. I decided that I had the right to give an assessment of history.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 23 September 2015 16: 49 New
      +8
      stop In connection with the existing relations with the United States, it is necessary to drive from all the authorities who have undergone internships or received education ...
    2. zubkoff46
      zubkoff46 23 September 2015 19: 52 New
      +4
      So they would say right away ... Otherwise: "The Federation Council, the Federation Council ..." We have no questions.
    3. Beaver
      Beaver 23 September 2015 20: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: imugn
      I decided

      not him, but his curators. Still, grants are not just for you there, grants need to be worked out
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 24 September 2015 01: 02 New
        +2
        Yes, it’s time to add articles 64-70 of the RSFSR Criminal Code of 1960 for anti-state activities to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. And the activities of Dobrynin are nothing more than undermining the foundations of the state.
  24. Basil50
    Basil50 23 September 2015 16: 24 New
    +3
    A member of the Federation Council and its sponsor are worried about their own future and security. Already, while cautiously, they are already feeling some especially odious for thefts and work for * foreign * owners. So they were alarmed, and such * initiatives * allow us to examine the level of patience with the crooks and thieves of our entire society. It is a pity that not as soon as you want, investigations are being conducted against the * masters of life * and their lackeys.
  25. Cyril7377
    Cyril7377 23 September 2015 16: 27 New
    +9
    Dobrynin K.E. I think that such people need to be known by sight, otherwise they will "fool around" somewhere with their handshake :)
    1. zubkoff46
      zubkoff46 23 September 2015 19: 53 New
      0
      Such a possible nuisance used to be called "sniffing" ...
  26. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 23 September 2015 16: 29 New
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    And I would support the idea of ​​holding a vote on the "crime" of the "Stalinist regime". After that, everyone who voted for the recognition of the "regime" as criminal - to restore the infrastructure of the South Kuriles with shovels. With the complete confiscation of personal and family property up to grandparents and grandchildren.
  27. loaln
    loaln 23 September 2015 16: 33 New
    +4
    "... suggests to be considered extremist ...".

    So, after the appearance of such a vague inherently term in conjunction with the punitive hand of the state, such people appeared as the initiator of the aforementioned bill.
    They zealously take the opportunity to bring all phenomena under extremism. Soon, even those who consider mongrels copulating on the street will fall into their number. So, such as they build the same totalitarianism, but only in which they provided themselves with a berth.
    There will be no discussions, there will be no many opinions, and such "figures" will appear first in the Duma, and then at the doors of the dwellings they like. First, to bring out the extremists, and then to move in there.
    And they will be from the whole proletarian, no, capitalist, no, and to hell with it, with the wording, obsession to drown others and pave a soft comfortable bed.
    Splashing saliva and shouting: "Let's not miss extremism!"
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 24 September 2015 10: 05 New
      0
      Here, in fact, to the very "point"! I agree with you completely, but I will add on my own: this Dobrynin was 120 years late to be born, that would have been an excellent "backroom master" in the NKVD and the author of "political denunciations", an example of which is Dobrynin's "legislative initiative"! Indeed, it is time for our Guarantor to start raking this "dung heap" which our national liberal traitors "raked up" in the legislative bodies! Well, Mr. Dobrynin has earned another "cookie" from his overseas masters ??? But I also want to add, that this "stuffing" by Dobrynin is not another stupidity or something else, but here you can see an open probing of public opinion of Russian citizens and the identification of the possibility of a political coup in the country! It's time for the FSB to take a closer look at such gentlemen and probably determine the place of their further "meeting"!
  28. Colleague
    Colleague 23 September 2015 16: 36 New
    13
    And I think we need to do the opposite, rename Volgograd to Stalingrad and give honor to this great RUSSIAN man of Georgian nationality!
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 23 September 2015 16: 45 New
      +5
      At the vote, I - FOR!
      As now, recalling his school years, he wondered why the Battle of Stalingrad was in Volgograd ... what
    2. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 23 September 2015 20: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Colleague
      And I think we need to do the opposite, rename Volgograd to Stalingrad and give honor to this great RUSSIAN man of Georgian nationality!

      You are absolutely right, Oleg Gennadievich, and Senator Konstantin Eduardovich Dobrynin is a nominal bastard and a jerk. he did not live in my country, the USSR, he knows firsthand about it, I do not believe these puppies and zvizdobol, because I personally know what was good or bad in our country.
  29. yuriy55
    yuriy55 23 September 2015 16: 42 New
    +3
    About people like Konstantin Dobrynin, I usually say that the boy’s parents hadn’t met yet, and I already wore my greatcoat ...
    Born in 1976, he decided to judge Stalin and Stalin's time. Nikita retold everything at the Twentieth Congress for a long time and copied and dying out all the papers he reached for, blaming Stalin for everything. And this anti-adviser, who did nothing useful in life, undertook to denigrate that which was not his competence mind ... I am even disgusted to spit on this face. Double-handed ...
    And you, citizen-comrade Goblin-Puchkov, should not measure your attitude to Stalin for all Russian citizens. The proximity to the cradle of the revolution and some free time allow you not to pay attention to these background of posers, but to write more meaningful sketches ... hi
  30. water
    water 23 September 2015 16: 50 New
    +4
    Well, if Mr. K.E. Dobrynin became so self-righteous that he took the Sadomites under his wing, then all his attacks on J.V. Stalin are simply a logical continuation. We should ask where this statesman keeps his "labor" accumulations. If abroad, then the reason for his anti-Russian activity is quite clear and understandable - apparently he is working out the illusory inviolability of his foreign capital.
  31. Das Boot
    Das Boot 23 September 2015 16: 58 New
    +3
    I'm vzad in the USSR
    You don't know how lucky you are, boy
    Vzad in the US ...
    Vzad in the US ...
    Vzad in the USSR !!!

    (The Beatles)
  32. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 23 September 2015 17: 05 New
    +6
    Three quarters of a century has passed since that time ... And some still cannot soberly comprehend that era and draw the appropriate conclusions: what is needed and what is not needed to be done.
  33. regul002
    regul002 23 September 2015 17: 19 New
    +9
    Comrade Stalin created a great power with a poor, plundered country. And such as this Dobrynin could not even save what he created. Shame (!) He wants to become famous ??? Let him sue the Americans for the genocide of tens of millions of Indians.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 23 September 2015 18: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: regul002
      He wants to become famous ???

      His term of office expires, it is necessary to flicker in the bulletins of the State Duma.
      Quote: regul002
      Let him sue the Americans for the genocide of tens of millions of Indians.

      And what's this? Is he Shoshone or Yamashi? And why the Americans, not the Spaniards?
  34. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 23 September 2015 17: 19 New
    +8
    And how does this Dobrynin differ from the right sector of Bandor's idiots, "mattress mates"?
  35. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 23 September 2015 17: 29 New
    +5
    It's nice to see, reading the comments, that the majority of VO members do not accept the "draft" of this "member".
    God forbid, if legislators fall for this "project". After all, there, unfortunately, there are not so few such dobrynins
  36. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 23 September 2015 17: 54 New
    +2
    In my opinion, it should not be Lenin who did nothing for the country, except for the idiocy with the republics, which we all burp in 1991, and now burps, and Stalin, the builder of the Red Empire. After such a war and winning it, building a huge Empire , who does not depend on anyone, having carried out industrialization on the scale of which there are no equal, Stalin has a greater right to be in the Mausoleum, like a real Ruler and Citizen of our country. Such things were also in the past - Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, we they were not found, but we remember very well that with them the country rose and went forward. So why not restore the name of Stalin and put him on a par with our former great rulers.
    1. MrK
      MrK 23 September 2015 18: 14 New
      -3
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      In my opinion, it shouldn’t be Lenin who did nothing for the country in the Mausoleum,

      Do not you, lupus, criticize Lenin. After you, and about me, after passing away from life, most people will forget.
      And Lenin will be remembered for centuries.
      First, Marx, and then Lenin was so scared of the bourgeois, That they, the bourgeois, began to build bourgeois socialism in the West.
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 23 September 2015 18: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: mrark
        And Lenin will be remembered for centuries.

        calm down, kids don’t know about grandfather right now. What centuries are there ....
      2. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 23 September 2015 19: 57 New
        0
        Well, Mrarkchok, write what Lenin (Blank) did useful for the country? Together with Leiba Trotsky (Bronstein), were you going to make a world revolution at the expense of the Russian people? Works, my dear, read Lenin (Blank), everything, then you will teach whom to criticize. Here Stalin did, and even all the "internationalists" (read liberalists) -Leninists so kicked off the helm that their spirit is still not heard.
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 23 September 2015 18: 25 New
      +2
      No need to be likened to the Ivanes, who do not know kinship and build mausoleums and transfer corpses into them. People (Great people who have done a lot in their lives for the formation of the statehood of the country) have the right to the posthumous repose of the soul.
      It is debatable, but there are:
      Disposal of the ashes is one of the forms of burial, consisting in dispersing the ashes of the deceased after cremation in a special area in the cemetery, or in any other place, including above the water surface, forest, mountains ...

      Maya Plisetskaya indicated this in her will.
      Also, again, my personal opinion should be done with the former rulers in order to avoid different interpretations and mockery of the remains.

      The name of Stalin, who has done so much in a short period of the history of our country that has not yet been done (could not be pulled away) by the rest of the rulers without any doubt should not be forgotten ... yes
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 23 September 2015 18: 47 New
        0
        Quote: yuriy55
        Dispelling the dust -
        Maya Plisetskaya indicated this in her will.

        And why should Plisetskaya - Fr. Engels will somehow be closer to the Stalin-Lenin-Mausoleum discussion:
        ... 2) My specific desire is for my body to be cremated, and mine
        the ashes were sunk at sea as soon as possible.
        (from his letter to executors)
  37. corn
    corn 23 September 2015 18: 11 New
    -6
    Quote: moskowit
    An honest hard worker will live under any authority.

    I once gave an example of my wife’s grandfather, who worked as a fighter in a slaughterhouse. Sooted. Rehabilitated posthumously, after several decades. Therefore, honest workers are not necessary.
    And the second remark. Who read the bill? Where can you read it in order to have the courage to express YOUR thoughts, and not to sing from someone else's voice, at least "for", at least "against". Okstay, commentators.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 23 September 2015 18: 37 New
      +3
      With all due respect, I can quote Sergey Dovlatov once again:
      "We endlessly scold Comrade Stalin, and, of course, for the cause. And yet I want to ask - who wrote the four million denunciations?"

      This is due to the fact that any negative attitude towards relatives is associated precisely with Stalin. There were more mean personalities ... what

      As for the second remark: according to the bill, they express themselves mainly in such a way that it is not up to the Dobryninsky mind to make such projects ... negative
      1. corn
        corn 23 September 2015 19: 34 New
        -4
        Quote: yuriy55
        There were more mean personalities ...

        Think about it, "more vile". Than who?
        Any sane person cannot think well of who brought him trouble. I only said that an "honest worker" is not a guarantee against arbitrariness, much less an argument in polemics. There is not a word about Stalin here. And about the possibility of living an honest worker under any government - ???
        Quote: yuriy55
        that it’s not a good mind to make such projects

        And that "not a Dobrynin's mind" is established by the Law "On the status of a member of the Federation Council and the status of a deputy of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation", and not by site visitors, especially those who have not read Dobrynin's bill and do not know where to read it. I only talk about this and do not appreciate either Dobrynin or, let alone, I repeat, Stalin.
        I just want to hear an opinion, not a rehash of someone else's opinion.
      2. clidon
        clidon 23 September 2015 21: 44 New
        +1
        That is, Hitler is not to blame, let's not discuss his actions? After all, German soldiers hung it and killed it. Yes, and he died a long time ago, so what ...
        1. corn
          corn 23 September 2015 22: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: clidon
          let's not discuss his deeds?

          You, like me, are well aware that most site visitors are deeply religious people. Unlike most, I am an unbeliever, but I am trying to create a spark of doubt in believers. I try to do it quite correctly. Although I myself want to spark a spark of doubt in my beliefs in me. It doesn’t work out for them, for me either.
          But believers, when they are in the majority, try to nullify the non-believers by all means available to them (during the Inquisition - a fire, on the website - "minuses"). This is from powerlessness to prove your case. And they take "pluses", "minuses" and epaulets seriously.
          Could not write this, but sometimes I recall a joke: I would have dumped you from here, but I love the circus very much.
          1. corn
            corn 23 September 2015 23: 46 New
            0
            At 23.40 seven "minuses", three "pluses" and one attempt to comment. Full confirmation of my second paragraph, and the third too.
            1. kartalovkolya
              kartalovkolya 24 September 2015 10: 24 New
              0
              You just have a respected "porridge" in your head, that you are confusing "God's gift" with scrambled eggs ?! , but for the dense stupidity that you are trying to carry "to the masses", well, just a "Bolshevik-Leninist"! It is impossible like this: "... I do not believe, and therefore this cannot be ...", but the earth still turns in spite of the "unbelievers"! And one more little "touch", an intelligent person does not take revenge on the "guilty" in misfortunes with his relatives, but seeks the causes of these misfortunes! Judging by the many revealed circumstances, most of Stalin's "accusers" themselves found themselves head over heels in the "people's blood", and it would be nice for you to remember the words of God: "... let someone throw a stone at me without sin ..."!
              1. corn
                corn 24 September 2015 12: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: kartalovkolya
                dense stupidity,

                If stupidity is dense, then what? Let me ask the enlightened wise guy.
                Quote: kartalovkolya
                what an unbeliever I am and I am "minus" for this,

                I am not talking about faith in God, I am talking about faith in Stalin, as the savior of the Fatherland. I’m saying that if you minus it, justify it. You can’t justify sticking your tongue in one place and hands in the same place so as not to hit the keyboard. Himself, if I put a minus, then I explain why. But this is very rare.
              2. corn
                corn 24 September 2015 13: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: kartalovkolya
                "... I do not believe, and that means this cannot be ...",

                If you do not understand, disbelief already means that it can be. And faith means only this way and not otherwise. Why do wars go for faith (right and wrong)? it’s true that they also go for another, but this can be felt differently, and faith is attracted in order to receive this other, and not vice versa.
                Quote: kartalovkolya
                well, straight "Bolshevik-Leninist"

                What am I a Bolshevik-Leninist? Is it an insult or praise?
                I explain: if I am a Bolshevik-Leninist, then I must be an ardent supporter of Stalin. I am not one.
                I repeat: it is not worth discussing what I have not read from hearsay, putting "minuses" without specifying your position is possible only for outright rudeness. I did not consider your accusation of dense stupidity to be outright rudeness.
          2. bastard
            bastard 24 September 2015 15: 45 New
            -1
            Quote: corn
            But believers, when they are in the majority, try to nullify the non-believers by all means available to them (during the Inquisition - a fire, on the website - "minuses").

            Any religion is intolerance in its axiomatics. +
  38. NDR-791
    NDR-791 23 September 2015 18: 18 New
    +4
    "On counteracting the rehabilitation of the crimes of the Stalinist totalitarian regime (Stalinism)." The document says that "justification of the practice of mass persecution of citizens on class, social, national, religious and other grounds leads to the destabilization of the internal situation in the country."
    That is, the global stratification according to, for example, social characteristics that WE ALL AND NOW are observing is really great !!! And there is no need to raise a wave on this topic? !!! And then Mr. Dobrynin's situation is destabilizing ??? I will say again the well-known commonplace - Stalin took the country with a plow, and left it with an atomic bomb. Our dobrynins would have such a pace ... For 20 years nothing has been done for the country. Even in the "12-20 strategy" nothing is said about the same industry and agriculture. One long-forgotten "raise and lower". Unfortunately, the days of "red directors" are over. They just died !!! And in the new history of Russia, it is not even economists who rule, but simply financiers. Hence the strategies for the banking system, exchange rates and oil prices. And talk about all sorts of innovations is just talk.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 24 September 2015 10: 27 New
      0
      I support you, but you must agree more correctly that we are ruled not even by financiers, but by ordinary speculators, swindlers and scammers! CHIPS IN A word!
  39. konvalval
    konvalval 23 September 2015 18: 22 New
    +1
    [quote = Maksus] Well, obviously you and I are more talented, or do you have the same inventions in your pocket? Have you witnessed his family life? And about the "sharashka" - he CREATED, you know? I did it, you can't do this out of a stick.
    You want to live, you will. But if they had been persuaded then, as now, we would have been torn to pieces by the most "democratic democrats" long ago.
  40. sledge
    sledge 23 September 2015 18: 46 New
    0
    There is nothing to add to Puchkov’s words !!!
  41. Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 23 September 2015 18: 49 New
    +3
    Lord What to discuss ... Just before leaving SovFed, Dobrynin did a PR bunch so that they would not forget about him. They trumpeted the bunch, and they all sniffed together. And the price of his statement is exactly the same as a bunch in a four-seater cell in a hostel. But ... Sniff, for some reason everything!)))
  42. Chulman
    Chulman 23 September 2015 19: 16 New
    +3
    Quote: WINovikov
    Make work in the SF free of charge, take away all the benefits and the SF will quietly die. But the "guarantor" will not offer this - he will be afraid, and the "people's representatives" will not take the carrots away from themselves. So the SF will remain a hangout for parasites.


    In my opinion, the guarantor is afraid of too much, it has long been necessary to restore order.
  43. DPN
    DPN 23 September 2015 19: 30 New
    +3
    it seems that the time has come to rebuild the Soviet Union, otherwise the capitalist oligarchs will completely ruin the country, how many of them have already fallen over the hill and will be blamed until everything is squeezed out of Russia.
  44. KRIG55
    KRIG55 23 September 2015 20: 13 New
    0
    You need to remember your history and draw the right conclusions. And to sprinkle ashes on your head and do nothing at the same time is a futile and even harmful exercise.
  45. beer-youk
    beer-youk 23 September 2015 20: 13 New
    +6
    I propose that the denial of the successes of the Soviet Government in the 30s be equated with the denial of Nazism, and the propaganda of liberalism should be equated with the propaganda of extremism and terrorism with aggravating circumstances.
  46. lilian
    lilian 23 September 2015 20: 16 New
    +3
    I read comments and rejoice. Us, reasonable, not duped - the majority.
  47. lopvlad
    lopvlad 23 September 2015 20: 24 New
    +3
    Member of the Federation Council (Federation Council) Konstantin Dobrynin

    how many more scum, idiots and enemies in power sits.
  48. DPN
    DPN 23 September 2015 20: 53 New
    +1
    There are certainly those offended by I, B, STALIN, but normal people were not offended by the People's Artist of the USSR, he did not say a single bad word about STALIN after spending time in the camps. But their scum and now enough.
  49. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 23 September 2015 21: 24 New
    +5
    Dobrynin’s project in its implementation of the order to discredit Russia with far-reaching negative consequences for the country.
    There is no understanding in society that one cannot endlessly shake up a story; it will turn out like in a saying, to throw out a child together with dirty water, or rather to shake out a child, and leave the dirt.
    The difficult fate of the country in the 20th century was not only tragic, but also victorious, the country endured a lot of grief, but also continued to develop, build up strength and this story must be preserved and preserved. The people of Russia have much to be proud of. And we part with our glory and pride, without even noticing it.
    Take the renaming of cities - like a trifle changed the name, but in fact, deleted a whole era from history. Renaming of Stalingrad as a city of military glory, which turned the tide of history, is particularly outraged. We erased it from history along with its unprecedented feat when we changed the name. Without leaving cities on the map of the country, we took a step to oblivion. Volgograd will be, but there was no such city during the Second World War, nothing connects it with the history of the country of the 20th century. We, the witnesses of this renaming, are not aware of this fact, but for posterity, I listened in the lesson and forgot.
    Also, St. Petersburg, on the map of the world there will be a city with which the 1917 revolution is connected, but nothing will remind of the feat of the city, which survived the terrible blockade and did not conquer the city of Leningrad.
    I don’t belong to ardent fans of politicians in general,
    but I also don’t want to blaspheme the people who led the country, which survived, despite all the hardships, and developed, too.
    But I respect the history of my country, the feat of the people should be honored and reminded, at least leaving a name on the map of the country, as a warning to posterity.
    And figures who advocate shaking up the country's history are traitors who help criminals forget about their atrocities in order to repeat their crimes. That is, what happened now in Ukraine, when Bandera criminals were made heroes of the country, who committed terrible atrocities in the war, after it ended and repeated them in the 21st century. If we betray our story, then the heroes will not be those who at the cost of their lives they defended, liberated, and rebuilt the city-heroes will be fascists.
  50. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 23 September 2015 21: 46 New
    +2
    I would not be surprised if after a while we hear about the initiation of another criminal case against one of the representatives of the Arkhangelsk region, who, having robbed millions, managed to escape to the west and position himself there as a "fighter for democracy, persecuted by the" criminal Putin regime. " Well, very similar ...