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Tricky comments. Islam vs. Oktoberfest. Perplexity

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In the modern world of the triumph of tolerance, freedom and democracy, it is becoming more and more interesting to live. And to observe some things that cause, if not a complete surprise, (if expressed in the framework of censorship), then the deepest bewilderment.


Perplexity Complicated word. It did not come to mind, so what if interpreted by Zadornov? Or the ability to understand not?



This is either not enough of my mind, or the ability to use it. I admit and sign in my own powerlessness in this matter.

We are talking about the beginning of protest actions and the collection of signatures for the prohibition of the ... Oktoberfest.

This year, the most merry, drunk and gluttonous holiday of the Germans will celebrate its 205 anniversary. Solid number. But to whom and what did he prevent, that they began to collect signatures against him and write petitions to various agencies?

“I am writing this letter to bring to your attention something that I and many Muslims consider unfair. I would like to inform you that Oktoberfest is intolerant of our religion and is an anti-Islamic event. We tried to ignore the event, but too many non-Islamic acts occur at the Oktoberfest. For example, alcohol consumption, demonstration of nudity, etc. We understand that Oktoberfest is an annual German tradition, but we Muslims cannot tolerate this non-Islamic event, because it offends us and all Muslims on earth. We ask for the immediate cancellation of the upcoming Oktoberfest. We also believe that Oktoberfest can insult all Muslim refugees coming from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. Cancel Oktoberfest helps refugees not to forget their Islamic history. Thank you for your attention to this issue. "

This appeal was signed by Jozef Mohammed from Ankara (Turkey).

And on the site change.org they are collecting signatures (https://www.change.org/p/city-council-of-munich-ban-the-intolerant-and-anti-islamic-event-of-oktoberfest-2nd- attemt). Well, not with might and main, the action is neither shaky nor shaky, but there are a number of voters.

The question arises: who benefits? Ancient Roman statement is applicable by the way.

Indeed, it seems that these evil Muslims decided to please the most sacred for the Germans in order to please their convictions. On the autumn binge. And, of course, the responses and opinions turned out very different.

If you look not very carefully, then yes. Migrants and refugees in thousands of rush to Europe to integrate. And perhaps, to remake it for themselves. You know, for centuries the established way of life, principles, religion, again ... Paradja-hijabs and all that.

And, most importantly, they came not against their will. Definitely. They rushed to Europe precisely because it became impossible to live at home by settled down structures. Houses are shooting. Houses are bombed. At home, death and devastation. Home hungry and no prospects. And in Europe, everything is quite edible. And what not to go?

Moreover, Europeans have a fair share of responsibility for all of the above.

Of course, having seen such a pitch, any self-respecting German will not just catch up, but go to the grandmother in the village of MP-40 to dig out. Figuratively speaking.

Increasing ethnic tensions in Europe is real. The growing popularity of nationalist and Nazi parties is also quite possible. Well, what usually happens next there, we all remember ... Refugees, while not great thousands arrived in Europe, however, European countries even started to dog about who they would be shoving.

But the Europeans are clearly not ready to act sharply and proactively, it’s still not tolerant and not democratic. But then migrants are ready to act sharply, blaming Europeans for their troubles. They really want to get from Europe (read Germany) "the power over the world and something to eat." That is, social benefits and the opportunity to study in EuroUniversity for free. For the refugees.

However, was it worth it for refugees and Muslims in particular to go so far? The answer is simple - not worth it. And it is precisely according to the principle of “who benefits” that it is necessary to look the other way.

Undoubtedly, the flow of refugees that has poured into Europe is clearly a clearly planned operation. At least for the reason that the war is not the first day. But somehow interrupted. And suddenly, for no reason at all, the dam burst through. The process has begun.

And Europe was clearly not ready for this alignment. And in particular, Germany, where almost everyone is sent. More precisely, where the majority of refugees want to go.

Most likely, this is precisely the essence of the attack on Oktoberfest. Formation of public opinion, which will give impetus to the authorities to close the borders. Perhaps, behind this are certain special services of the same Germany, who are well aware of the difficulty of working with closed diasporas. It is no secret that all services use secret employees from diasporas in such situations. But in such a stream of refugees to recruit difficult. "On the ground," especially since there is war.

As a result, we have a "advance drain". Hands, more precisely, voices of indignant burghers. And the fact that the voices will be - do not go to the grandmother. Especially if in the garden "Schmeisser" grandfather is not buried. Well, this is Oktoberfest’s attempt, not something else ...

By the way, there are about two million of these refugees in Turkey. Nashed for three years. And nothing, live. Of course, not as comfortable as it would be possible to live in Germany, but they live. And in Russia, about half a million Ukrainians dissolved. And also live, are not going back. It is clear, of course, that Turkey and Germany, compared with Russia in terms of volumes, are a balloon against the KamAZ camera. But in Turkey everything is relatively calm, and in Germany - groan and cry.

All this is definitely not without purpose. And, perhaps, the special services had nothing to do with it. And the point is that lately in Germany there has been some movement towards Russia. Like "Nord Stream - 2". And some forces dissatisfied with the policy of Merkel, decided to make Angela "happy life." And there is no doubt that the parliamentarians sitting in the Bundestag, right-wing and ultra-right groups “adoring” the newcomers, will be able to arrange it.

“Folk festivities” under the flag of “Hands off Oktoberfest" is what really can "help" Germany with the choice of course. Or at least deprive Merkel of a quiet life for some time. Examples with Montenegro and Slovenia are quite fresh.

So, with all the aggressiveness of Islam in today's world, only one conclusion suggests itself: this time the followers of Allah have nothing to do with the requirements to ban Oktoberfest insulting their feelings.

All this is a well-planned provocation of those who want to put Europe on their ears, hiding behind those who run into it from Africa and the Middle East.

But excuse me, Libya, Tunisia, Syria, Iraq, Iran - are these also the machinations of bloodthirsty Islamists? Come on...

I sympathize with the refugees in Europe. Not by the way, I sympathize with Europe. Refugees still deliver not just trouble to Europeans. But here forgive, feelings at anything. And the Quran too. Rather, European politics and NATO forces.

NATO? Yes of course. And who commands there, do not remind? Or maybe it is worth now to look carefully in that direction? And then the question of who benefits from the fire in the Middle East, the crowds of refugees in Europe and the confusion and vacillation in European countries will become rhetorical.

So, in principle, it doesn’t matter what we are starting to observe: “Euroslive” or the next tricky plan of the USA to tear apart in another part of the world. The fact is that there will be no peace.
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  1. ImPerts
    ImPerts 23 September 2015 06: 02
    15
    Unfortunately this petition was closed when there were 25 votes left. I found out about her too late. So I would take part and ask my comrades to adhere to it. What a resonance! It’s interesting, but if they had time to and had to consider it, would the Boshi give their holiday?
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 23 September 2015 06: 09
      +6
      can re-create? )))
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 23 September 2015 07: 44
        +6
        The idea is interesting. But is it better for Orthodox Christians from Russia to take care of the interests of Muslim refugees?
        No matter how they cut down in the bud because of a violation of corporate rules.
        Look, on FB, x.0.x0l is a dirty word, accounts are deleted, and the rules allow "to cut and crush m0s.gale, yes to @ c @ pov" ...
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 23 September 2015 08: 20
          +3
          Quote: ImPerts
          But is it better for Orthodox Christians from Russia to take care of the interests of Muslim refugees?

          The feast of alcoholism is Satanism. Then think for yourself.

          Although Kurbanbayram is a celebration of murder ...
          1. Sashka
            Sashka 23 September 2015 09: 53
            +9
            Well, yes, here they call to cover this holiday, there they beat naked girls, somewhere else they will kill a hundred or two lambs in the central square in the capital on your holiday ... And try to say something against, you will be a Nazi, an encroach on the prophet , to Islam, etc. But if, somewhere in a Muslim city, not to mention the capitals, a person with alcohol or an obscenely dressed girl is noticed, they will simply be beaten with sticks ... So, I am not against Islam, and Muslims in general ... But I think that "with your own law to go to a strange monastery" is very dangerous. So it is not far from the inter-religious war. A Muslim came to Europe, he came here himself, be so kind as not to stand out from the crowd. Likewise about Muslim cities.
          2. V.ic
            V.ic 23 September 2015 11: 31
            +1
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            The feast of alcoholism is Satanism. Then think for yourself

            Bacchanalia of the ancient Greeks and Saturnalia of the ancient Romans ... Think for yourself, Satanism or something else?
        2. realist
          realist 23 September 2015 14: 20
          0
          and what do you want from the American fb-so that he missed the american gate? no, everything is truly propaganda, the strongest car in the right hands!
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 23 September 2015 08: 09
      +4
      Nobody cares about their opinion, as well as this provocateur "Mohammed". Oktoberfest has already taken place, seemingly without incident))
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 23 September 2015 08: 22
        13 th
        Quote: Explorer
        like without incident))

        How about soldering minors by giving them an example of drunkenness and debauchery?
        1. Conductor
          Conductor 23 September 2015 08: 40
          21
          Do you have a clear idea of ​​what Oktoberfest is? First of all, it is a holiday. Therefore, families with children, even with babies, traditionally come there. For them there is a bunch of sweets and attractions in a separate area, which is called the "family square". Children under 16 it is forbidden to walk alone. Sometimes the graduation ceremony in Russia even looks harder) In short, the conduct and "service" are at the highest level!
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 23 September 2015 08: 57
            27 th
            Quote: Explorer
            First of all, it is a holiday.

            This is a holiday of ALCOHOLISM and DRINKING the people of Germany.

            Quote: Explorer
            Sometimes graduation in Russia and then it looks harder)

            One manifestation of Satanism is no better than another manifestation of Satanism.

            If at this festival berries and honey were eaten and drank tea, it would be divine. But the people taught to poison themselves, setting an example to minors.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 23 September 2015 16: 20
              +2
              Dedicated to the minus. laughing

              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 23 September 2015 20: 08
                0
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Dedicated to the minus. laughing


                This is terry plagiarism. Moreover, the original (excuse me) is more original.
                http://www.stihi.ru/2013/07/29/489
            2. kavad
              kavad 23 September 2015 22: 33
              0
              I work in the police. And I go to raids.
              So at school prom - mom dear! Last year, the girl Lida was caught out of the river, well, not with a hook. But we don't have Oktoberfests, and I haven't seen adults "poisoning themselves" nearby.
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 24 September 2015 06: 20
                0
                Quote: kavad
                But we don't have Oktoberfests, and I haven't seen adults "poisoning themselves" nearby.

                Believe or check whether we want to or not, and children always take an example from their parents. All children want to be like dad or mom, respectively. Parents drink on holidays - children will imitate them. They spin alcohol and debauchery in youth TV shows at uni and house-2, they will scandalize, drink and deflate. We are all manipulated.

                And do not forget about the participation of parents in ensuring their children alcohol at graduation.

                At Oktoberfest, fights happen with beer mugs. So, on the opening day of the festival on Saturday, September 17, one drunk 17-year-old girl threw her beer mug at a neighbor. In another tent, a 35-year-old man hit his opponent with a mug. Both victims of the attacks were hospitalized. In 2010, Oktoberfest recorded 62 fights with beer mugs.


                Five million liters of beer and 500 thousand hens sacrifice practical Germans as a sacrifice to the annual Oktoberfest.

                When the alcohol content in one liter of beer is ~ 50 ml, we get in 5000000 liters of beer contains 250000 liters of alcohol, not vodka, namely alcohol. This is approximately 3,5 railway tanks of pure alcohol. Such a holiday.

                And here are some other data.
                The volumes of consumed succulent amber drink also increased: a total of exactly 7,5 million liters were drunk. For comparison, in 2010 this indicator amounted to "only" 7,1 million liters.

                According to the results of the holiday, the Munich police traditionally brought interesting data. It turns out that during Oktoberfest 2011 in Munich 226 thousand mugs were stolen (last year only 130 thousand), 58 drunken fights were recorded (2010 in 62), often using beer mugs and bottles. Law enforcement agencies for one reason or another were called on Theresienwiese 2 thousand 175 times, registered 1 thousand 422 offenses and a total of 487 people were detained.

                By the way, in the case of alcoholic intoxication, tourist insurance does not work, so many probably "got" money.


                Quote: WHO school on alcohol.
                Up to 3 liters - considered a low level of consumption;
                From 4 to 5 liters - the average level of consumption;
                More than 8 liters - a high level of consumption, the genetic degeneration of the nation begins.


                Rђ RІRѕS, from bilberry or apple pies and tea with honey there will not be such a bacchanalia.
            3. testerman
              testerman 24 September 2015 07: 32
              0
              come on, don’t be a bigot. better Oktoberfest festival than a booze in the stairwell with strange consequences. they will still drink regardless of whether there are festivals or not. or do you think that the parents of the children about whom you speak at home hide beer in the toilet and wait until the children fall asleep?
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 24 September 2015 07: 54
                +1
                Quote: testerman
                better Oktoberfest festival than a booze in the stairwell with strange consequences. they will still drink regardless of whether there are festivals or not.

                The better, because a drunken drunk lying in a puddle of his own urine causes disgust from alcohol as well, and the appearance of well-dressed men and women makes you follow their example and drink more poison?





                Quote: testerman
                or do you think that the parents of the children about whom you speak at home hide beer in the toilet and wait until the children fall asleep?

                I don’t think, but I know that no one is hiding from children.
        2. PN
          PN 23 September 2015 08: 56
          14
          Something for 200 years of the holiday, they did not drink too much and the nation did not degrade. Maybe because there is also a certain culture (at the holiday) that we have behind the scenes, but we only see beer consumption?
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 23 September 2015 09: 02
            +4
            Quote: PN
            Something for 200 years of the holiday, they did not drink too much and the nation did not degrade.

            It seems so to you. Demographics in Germany are much worse than ours.

            Quote: PN
            Maybe because there is also a certain culture (at the holiday) that we have behind the scenes, but we only see beer consumption?

            Exactly !!! And the "culture of sex", and other pederasty like gay parades.

            Alcohol is a drug that suppresses the genotype of a people. Alcohol is no better than other drugs.

            Marina Gribanova’s lecture is very lively, don’t notice how it ends.

            1. PN
              PN 23 September 2015 09: 12
              +5
              Something I did not observe the relationship between the Oktoberfest and gamepads. On the lavparade (electronic music festival), this relationship is clearly visible. So it is not necessary under one comb to row everything in a row.
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 23 September 2015 19: 24
                -1
                Quote: PN
                Something I did not observe the relationship between the Oktoberfest and gamepads.

                Geyropa, sir ... this "LJJ" is not easy ...
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          2. c3r
            c3r 23 September 2015 22: 10
            +2
            No, not degraded
          3. c3r
            c3r 23 September 2015 22: 11
            +1
            Generally not degraded
          4. datura23
            datura23 23 September 2015 22: 24
            +1
            and do they teach kids at school to masturbate?
            not degraded ...
        3. Xergey
          Xergey 23 September 2015 09: 21
          +4
          Do not exaggerate, comrade pofigist, there are no minors, regarding the impact on the children of this holiday, it harms them to a lesser extent than the 6-10 year olds who from this age slaughter cattle at all Muslim events where there is a sacrifice.
      2. Turkir
        Turkir 23 September 2015 11: 33
        -9
        Oktober Fest - Celebrate in October.
        -------
        And the Germans should stop drinking beer, vodka and wine, eat pork, make sausages, walk in leather shorts and consider themselves Aryans.
        This is their reckoning - for two world wars and for hatred of everything Slavic ..
        winked
        1. Turkir
          Turkir 23 September 2015 15: 45
          0
          Yes, apparently for some readers the concept of Irony is not available, or are there so many Germans here?
          If such demands are sent to them from Turkey (to close the German holidays), the Germans themselves, led by Merkel, are probably to blame.
          I would also like to remind you that right now, American nuclear weapons are brought precisely to Germany and it was with the approval of Germany that sanctions began against us.
          My opinion coincides with the title of the article - "Snide comments ..", yes, who reads the title ...
        2. Altona
          Altona 25 September 2015 09: 38
          0
          Quote: Turkir
          Oktober Fest - Celebrate in October.

          ----------------------
          Oktoberfest began on September 19 ... Was it hard to see on Yandex?
    3. radar1967
      radar1967 24 September 2015 02: 46
      0
      The American fascists are doing their best to let Germany go according to an already-rolled-up program:
      1. Creation of concentration camps.
      2. Search for the guilty.
      3. Strengthening the army at the expense of migrants.
      4. Protection of the vital interests of the European Union by military means.
    4. Altona
      Altona 25 September 2015 09: 36
      0
      Quote: ImPerts
      Unfortunately this petition was closed when there were 25 votes left. I found out about her too late. So I would take part and ask my comrades to adhere to it. What a resonance! It’s interesting, but if they had time to and had to consider it, would the Boshi give their holiday?

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      Where would you hang out? And for what? In Bavaria, by the way, many religious holidays are considered weekends, teenage boys undergo a rite of initiation ... Oktoberfest is certainly an unhealthy event, but it is not for Muslims to go there, no one climbs to them in mosques and on sacrifices ... So there is nothing to indulge one confession in another damage ... And by the way, despite the "rosy values", the Pope is still an authority figure in this world, not only in the Christian ...
  2. ayuric
    ayuric 23 September 2015 06: 07
    +9
    first they will merge the holiday, then they will push their laws, then something else, otherwise they are guests in this country and are on bird’s rights. As they say do not go into someone else's hut with your charter.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 23 September 2015 09: 41
      +9
      Quote: ayuric
      first they will merge the holiday, then they will push their laws, then something else, otherwise they are guests in this country and are on bird’s rights.

      Guests say? They don’t think so!
      “We will make them prolific!” We will give birth to children because we will conquer their country! ”- these are the words of Imam Sheikh Mohammed Ayyad from a speech in the Jerusalem mosque in which he called on Muslim migrants to merge with Europeans to conquer the whole continent.
      1. ayuric
        ayuric 23 September 2015 14: 48
        +1
        I’m saying ... but it’s documented that they don’t have anything there except a refugee certificate, while they already manage to stand out .. against centuries-old traditions
  3. Barboskin
    Barboskin 23 September 2015 06: 07
    10
    Regarding any refugees, the first thing that they should learn at the border is the Russian proverb "Don't go to someone else's monastery with your charter." Take Lezginki on our streets ?! Well, it's easier with Europe, these are their problems that they themselves have created, in my heart I sympathize with them well, humanly, but outwardly as a true quilted jacket, Colorado, and in some places, as a child, also a pioneer - so you need it !!!
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 23 September 2015 07: 01
      +8
      Citizens of the Russian Federation dance lezginka so ..)) !!!
      1. Zloydefeft
        Zloydefeft 23 September 2015 08: 56
        16
        Well, yes. How to dance - this is the citizens of the Russian Federation, and if you give it to the burnt face, so squeals and an international ethnicity will begin to sew, - the Russian beats the dancers. Swam-know.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 September 2015 07: 31
      +2
      Quote: Barboskin. ... as a true quilted jacket, colorado and in places in childhood also a pioneer - that's what you need !!! [/ quote

      The question: "Who benefits from this?" smile hi
    3. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 23 September 2015 08: 39
      +1
      Quote: Barboskin
      Well, it’s easier with Europe, it’s their problems that they themselves have created, in my heart I sympathize with them humanly, and outwardly like a real quilted jacket, Colorado and in some places as a child I’m also a pioneer - that's what you need !!!

      Everything in the world is interconnected and interdependent. Do not forget that they helped us to destroy the USSR and impose "universal values". Therefore, the higher their morality, the better for us.
      I believe that neither drunkenness in any form, nor sacrifice in the form of the same Kurban Bayram, is Satanism.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 23 September 2015 11: 38
        -2
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        I believe that neither drunkenness in any form, nor sacrifice in the form of the same Kurban Bayram, is Satanism.

        Get a grasp of your creativity. Particles "neither" before the words "drunkenness" and "sacrifices" require continuation of the type "are not .... etc." What did you smoke? Or sniffed?
  4. MAXUZZZ
    MAXUZZZ 23 September 2015 06: 11
    +4
    Here is a new opportunity for aggressively-minded migrants to raise a buzz, they don’t respect their feelings, you see, and I won’t be surprised if soft-bodied Europe bends again to please tolerance
  5. mivmim
    mivmim 23 September 2015 06: 22
    +2
    For that fought for it and ran. lol
  6. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 23 September 2015 06: 24
    +4
    Huge amounts of money are being spent on creating a situation with refugees. Here they always write that Merkel is blackmailed. she substitutes her country in memory of the past. What happened, what would such blackmail be? I think that on the contrary - payment is piece-rate. Just work
  7. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 23 September 2015 06: 30
    +9
    of the 80 million people in Germany, 15 million, to say the least, are not Germans. this is for 2011. I think the figure has changed a lot. condolences to the former formidable Teutons, they will soon be working as a servant for Arabs and Muslims.
    1. svu93
      svu93 23 September 2015 06: 40
      +4
      they don’t seem to have started serving the new owners ..... just haven’t figured it out yet!
    2. svu93
      svu93 23 September 2015 06: 40
      0
      they don’t seem to have started serving the new owners ..... just haven’t figured it out yet!
  8. igorka357
    igorka357 23 September 2015 06: 57
    +2
    Oh dear ... how little do you know about Europe .. they will of course endure refugees, maybe they will even make some concessions to them! But .. if Europe and Germany personally gets tired of this, then believe me, certain services will forget about European tolerance , for example, in Germany, "Ferguson" will not work! And I am sure the dominance of the Muslim quiet invasion will sooner or later end with crusades, which were by no means in favor of the Muslims! And I hasten to remind you about Lezginka ... its citizens of Russia dance, just like they danced her in the Soviet Union .. Soviet people! I hasten to remind you that the BND, BFF and MAD are some of the best special services on the planet, and they don’t sit idly by!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 September 2015 07: 15
      +9
      Quote: igorka357
      certain services will forget about European tolerance, for example, in Germany, "Ferguson" will not work

      at the expense of services I doubt, rather, neo-Nazis will begin to smash immigrants ...
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 September 2015 07: 37
        +5
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich

        at the expense of services I doubt, rather, neo-Nazis will begin to smash immigrants ...

        Against the backdrop of this mess, tired of humiliation, the German people can again lead to the power of a person with certain views and a strong hand. You never know…
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 23 September 2015 11: 08
          +1
          Quote: Bayonet
          Against the backdrop of this mess, tired of humiliation, the German people can again lead to the power of a person with certain views and a strong hand.

          Vegan artist? wink
      2. Belousov
        Belousov 23 September 2015 09: 51
        +2
        But now the special services, led by other quite definite special services, will catch the neo-Nazis. And all these myths about the "best special services" are just fairy tales. There is a very definite goal to destroy Europe, which means it will be populated with migrants until complete submission.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 23 September 2015 09: 12
      +4
      Quote: igorka357
      .. its citizens of Russia dance, just as they danced it in the Soviet Union ..
      So let her dance in Russian villages
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 23 September 2015 09: 34
        -4
        Suppose if young people dance it in the daytime and do not bother anyone ... why not, it is not prohibited by law! If the law forbade hijabs in schools, then the question is closed! The lezginka will be barred by law ... it will stop dancing! If you are afraid to go to the street and disperse 18-20 year old boys of Caucasian nationality dancing lezgins under your windows at one in the morning .. these are your problems, you had to do sports, or at least just shout to them that now call the outfit .. so we don’t even have people she’s afraid to look out the window ... sad ... where Russian men are all .. ((? Believe me, most Caucasians on the streets of Russia are young Pontorez, who have nothing to do with proud Caucasian highlanders with whom I had to meet by service and who they will never allow themselves to offensively express themselves at a woman, let alone whistling at her .. they simply will not allow such an act because they consider it below male dignity .. unfortunately, a Caucasian man also I watched like Russian .. there were real men in villages and villages!
        1. Zloydefeft
          Zloydefeft 23 September 2015 09: 55
          +4
          Yeah, recently in Sosnovy Bor (Len.obl.), To the remark from a Russian peasant, the dancer cowardly shot him IN THE BACK. Type offended. The dancer doesn’t care, he will sit out and come out with the same moron as he was. And the Russian peasant left a family. And do I need it so that such frostbite settles in my city?
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 23 September 2015 11: 11
            -2
            He shot him in the back ... that's at least a dozen, and have you been there to say that it will come out the same? Perhaps it will come out without a liver and without teeth, or maybe it will not work at all! Believe in the zone an authoritative Caucasian if he will ask him one hundred percent " and why in the back, and why with a pistol ... unarmed "and there will be no respect for him for this act, it is they from permissiveness, it is we who let them loose, and after all, they are only 18-20 years old!
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 23 September 2015 13: 30
              +2
              Quote: igorka357
              Shot in the back ... it's at least a dozen, but have you been there to say what will happen the same?
              BGG, but what’s not 20ka?) Yes, immediately the community will send back to the mountains, no one will find it or buy it back.
              Quote: igorka357
              Believe in the zone an authoritative Caucasian, if there is one, will ask him one hundred percent "why in the back, and why from a pistol ... unarmed" and there will be no respect for him for this act, it is they from permissiveness, we let them loose ourselves, but they are only 18-20 years old!
              You have such knowledge in concepts in the zone, and even Caucasian. Did you sit
          2. igorka357
            igorka357 23 September 2015 11: 14
            -1
            Although perhaps everyone here says so, because they’re still young, and they haven’t seen the real Caucasus, beautiful, proud and hospitable! And these show-offs are bearded in the cities, that’s all bullshit, we allow them ourselves!
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 23 September 2015 13: 37
          +3
          Quote: igorka357
          ! If you are afraid to go out and disperse 18-20 year old Caucasian youths dancing lezgins under your windows at one in the morning .. these are your problems, you had to go in for sports, or at least just shout out to them that now call the outfit .. so no, our people are even afraid to look out of the window ... sad ... where Russian men are all .. ((?
          There is a law on silence, and therefore, the outfit must be called up, not screamed at the window of something there or run into sports. And the outfit should come and send offenders to the CPC. The militia pays a salary for this state. What you breed here is incomprehensible.
          1. uragan114
            uragan114 23 September 2015 21: 17
            +1
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Quote: igorka357
            ! If you are afraid to go out and disperse 18-20 year old Caucasian youths dancing lezgins under your windows at one in the morning .. these are your problems, you had to go in for sports, or at least just shout out to them that now call the outfit .. so no, our people are even afraid to look out of the window ... sad ... where Russian men are all .. ((?
            There is a law on silence, therefore, the outfit must be called, not screamed out the window something there or to run sports. And the outfit should come and send offenders to the CPC. The militia pays a salary for this state. What you breed here is incomprehensible.

            I was here in the administration (not a big town of 18 thousand people), at one meeting. A police officer spoke. When asked why night raids around the city are not carried out. The answer struck everyone - So dark, nothing is visible. Like this.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 23 September 2015 07: 18
    +6
    We are talking about the beginning of protest actions and the collection of signatures for the prohibition of the ... Oktoberfest.... Already? .. So you look at the New Year and Germany will be renamed ..
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 September 2015 07: 28
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      We are talking about the protests that have begun and the collection of signatures for the prohibition of ... "Oktoberfest" .... Already?

      sorry ... the Pilsener pork sausages were good damn it! recourse
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 September 2015 07: 40
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      .So you look at the New Year and Germany will be renamed ..

      What New Year - Muslim? wink
  10. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 23 September 2015 07: 19
    +5
    The influx of fresh labor. Yeah. But not qualified, who also does not want to work due to the fact that they are refugees. Those. The EU supported the war and should now contain refugees who flee to quiet places because of the war. The most interesting thing is that this is not propaganda, but the truth. Refugees consider Europeans guilty of their troubles, quite justifiably, not only that: some of them want to take revenge or dictate their will, and this is generally Tryndets. And if the Americans begin to act according to their very effective and tried and tested methods in dozens of places on the planet: inciting ethnic hatred? Then, the Doomsday will come for Europe. Does Europe really not understand such a time bomb? Apparently, he understands that now the states, which used to pull the strings of the economy, propaganda and military presence, will hold in their hands a thick rope of the threat of interethnic conflict.
    1. radar1967
      radar1967 24 September 2015 02: 49
      0
      There will be no judgment day in Europe. Migrants will be sent to fight on the eastern front.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 September 2015 05: 57
        +1
        Quote: radar1967
        There will be no judgment day in Europe. Migrants will be sent to fight on the eastern front.

        That is, the Islamists will be given weapons wassat This is just what they really miss in Europe right now. laughing
  11. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 23 September 2015 07: 26
    +3
    Very pleased with the situation in the geyrop! How much the rope does not curl ...
    And I would be completely happy if the ultimate beneficiary of all the world chaos - Yankerstan rested in a Bose.
    I feel it will be so. After this, the geyropa will not see Russian main enemies for another 100 years. smile
  12. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 23 September 2015 07: 34
    +4
    funny trend. At this rate, soon I’m not going to drink beer — Allah forbids it. Give Muslims geyropov. but what about the rainbow Euro-gays to be ????? into the question))))) Well, after all, it seems that it is not encouraged ???? or is the tolerance of islam in development ????
  13. Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 September 2015 07: 36
    +1
    Well damn. They encroached on Oktoberfest. This is the same as demanding a ban on St. Patrick's Day in Ireland. In general, what is NATO? This is the legalization of the occupation forces in Europe, nothing more.
    It’s just that they used to hide behind the struggle with the Soviets, but now they need other excuses.
    So if the Germans begin to strengthen refugees, then this NATO can begin to fight directly in Europe. Moreover, on the side of these refugees.
  14. Ural resident
    Ural resident 23 September 2015 08: 46
    +3
    "It is clear, of course, that Turkey and Germany, compared to Russia in terms of volumes, are a balloon against a camera from KamAZ."

    Why?
    The population of Russia is about 150 million
    The population of Germany under 80 million. The population of Turkey approx. 75 million + annual increase of 1 million
    Quite comparable figures.
  15. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 23 September 2015 08: 53
    12
    Cancel Oktoberfest?
    I almost choked on coffee - neighing like a mammoth.
    Well, right - what for debauchery with busty defects, drunken alcohol and indecent pork sausages?
    It’s wrong, tea tolerance is wandering around Europe ...)))

    Two years ago he described a real case at VO:
    ...........
    Sticking out somehow in Mainz. Late in the evening, friends were invited to "gatherings." It was summer, weekends.
    Almost on the Rhine embankment, in a cozy courtyard, a playground was equipped: tables and benches were dug up. Small trailers arrived and traded fresh beer and snacks.
    We communicate, drink beer, eat delicious sausages. Men and women, lively conversations and laughter. In general, people drink and relax culturally; no one screams or buzzes.
    Beauty and idyll.
    And then, from somewhere on the side, a black mug in a hoodie rolls up and, waving his arms, starts loudly, yelling at the whole yard ...
    The people instantly fell silent in shock.
    Then one hefty German, without getting up, roared one phrase and continued to drink beer ...
    The hoodie clasped his hands and wailed away.
    The fun completely disappeared, usually well-mannered, but the Germans who had sizzled for a long time could not calm down ... apparently pent. Rest was ruined.
    Then I asked the “Russian German” what happened:
    - It was an expat, a Muslim. He came and became indignant at our unworthy behavior. He said that he can no longer look out the window and see how we drink ALCOHOL and eat pork sausage, that we don’t have a place HERE ...
    “What did that big guy say?” He was very brief ...
    - He said: WE ARE HOME.

    Here is such crap.
    The Germans in their own land can’t even drink beer ... They insult, you see ... whine ...
    We (Russians) then were completely in solidarity with them and absolutely understood each other.

    ..........

    So, comrades Germans, nefig obscenities involved.
    We grow beards, take a mug with hibiscus in the evening and carry on unhurried conversations about who has thicker rams in the flock.
    Yes, you would have to learn another language. And there is a suspicion that ... your faith is somehow not quite right.
    Wah, no order.
    request
    We smile and wave the comrades Germans,
    Smile and wave.
    good
  16. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 23 September 2015 09: 02
    +2
    Quote: A resident of the Urals
    "It is clear, of course, that Turkey and Germany, compared to Russia in terms of volumes, are a balloon against a camera from KamAZ."

    Why?
    The population of Russia is about 150 million
    The population of Germany under 80 million. The population of Turkey approx. 75 million + annual increase of 1 million
    Quite comparable figures.


    Um, look at my nickname: myself from the Irkutsk region, so in Europe there is not a single country that would be larger than my region repeat . France is almost one and a half times smaller. Ukraine nervously smokes on the sidelines. To lay down Germany and Finland - they will be accommodated, there is also enough space for Austria ... fellow And this is just an area, the Krasnoyarsk Territory and Yakutia will be more. The author, as I understand it, wrote about the territory. And there the comparison is very true.
  17. Mestny
    Mestny 23 September 2015 09: 27
    0
    Quote: Volzhanin
    And I would be completely happy if the ultimate beneficiary of all the world chaos - Yankerstan rested in a Bose.
    I feel it will be so

    What specific grounds do you have for such confidence?
    So far, alas, this moment is still very far away.
  18. afrikanez
    afrikanez 23 September 2015 09: 33
    +1
    The fact that the Americans were lying on the EU was obvious. But it’s not clear why the EU, for all that, understood and didn’t do anything. It was clear from the very beginning of hostilities in the Middle East that there would be a powerful flow of refugees and not anywhere else but to the EU. How they will solve this, in my opinion, is not a simple question, is not yet clear. In Germany, the multinational people are not the same as in Russia, and it will not be easy for them to cope with this.
  19. Pacifist
    Pacifist 23 September 2015 09: 34
    +1
    All this is definitely not without purpose. And, perhaps, the special services had nothing to do with it. And the point is that lately in Germany there has been some movement towards Russia. Like "Nord Stream - 2". And some forces dissatisfied with the policy of Merkel, decided to make Angela "happy life." And there is no doubt that the parliamentarians sitting in the Bundestag, right-wing and ultra-right groups “adoring” the newcomers, will be able to arrange it.


    100500+
    To the point of Roman.
  20. Satyr
    Satyr 23 September 2015 09: 44
    +1
    The affairs of the Germans are the affairs of the Germans. They don’t write letters of complaint to Turkey asking them to stop cutting sheep and finally begin to decorate the Christmas tree.
    Do not like European culture, bring down yourself and build your park with blackjack and other attributes. If you demand respect for your culture, respect someone else's.
  21. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 23 September 2015 09: 50
    +2
    Everything is simple: whoever opposes local customs that are not one hundred years old - send him back to Africa, let him climb on his favorite palm tree and enjoy life ...
  22. Belousov
    Belousov 23 September 2015 09: 57
    +1
    Are migrants going to the EU? So that's great! Europe deserved a long and painful death.
    Regarding the cancellation of Oktoberfest, it is possible that it will be canceled, though not this year, but in a year or two. So far they will prepare "public opinion". Belgium has already canceled a Christmas tree a couple of years ago with the wording "infringes on the religious feelings of Muslims." So the cancellation of Oktoberfest is only a matter of time.
  23. Mantykora
    Mantykora 23 September 2015 10: 58
    +1
    Hmm ... Tectonic plates are shifting around the world. Ukraine went to Europe - came to Africa. Africa came to Europe - Europe goes to Ukraine. For Europeans, the question is also relevant: "Tse peremoga, why is it?" We accept refugees ...
  24. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 23 September 2015 11: 03
    +2
    Again, the United States is profitable! USA, yes USA, who is this? Who are they?
    I wanted to understand this rhetoric and this group of persons.
    Just the people of Amrinaki? Yes, he ... all this. It would be all right at home.
    Any special services? But these just do nothing. There must be an order. Whose?
    Economic corporations? So they are so international that there you will not find roots and sources.
    Who is still stirring up water? And for what?
    Well difficulties in Europe. Well strained. But there is a country cooler - China!
    She has already started and is gaining speed and height. There are only laudatory screams and reviews. The transfer of production, technology and development, often without looking back to the future, to China! One parade is worth it. Aircraft carriers slowly mastering. The fleet is being built. and nothing.
    And the decrepit Europe is hindering precisely the USA ?! X-mmm! Than?
    NATO - Europe. The USA has no better ally than Britain !!!
    Germany creeps under the USA. France doesn’t turn his nose and also does not mind going in the wake.
    And after that Europe should be crap?
    Something here does not converge .... IMHO.
    1. teron
      teron 23 September 2015 11: 20
      +1
      The worst thing for you and me is that they won’t tell us anything. It is good if the great-grandchildren find out who in our time stirs up water in the world and for what purpose.
    2. flay
      flay 23 September 2015 14: 15
      +1
      No, no, to an ordinary American, as you put it, "Yes, he should ... fuck all this. Everything would be fine at home." Take it higher .... Fed and multinational corporations. These corporations, in the absolute majority, belong to the uncles "beyond the puddle". I mean, if we take into account the shares in someone's hands and daughters-mothers.
      China already 2,3% of calculations for oil in yuan. By the way, Russia moved the Saudis from the first place in oil supplies to China, which is why. Americans understand that Russia and China are preparing to abandon $. (In 2014, we and the Chinese bought most of the gold in the market. Since 2005, we have almost halved the foreign exchange reserves in US government bonds to 2-65 billion).
      The largest consumer of oil is China. 2nd producer / producer of oil in the world-RF. Also, other countries, the BRICS, will be pulled into their orbits.
      Democratize neither the Russian Federation nor China will succeed. lol
      How to save the evergreen? How to save yourself? And then Uncle Sam begins to crank up a brilliant combination. Destabilization of the Middle East and Europe. (Everything has already begun)
      Well, to destabilize the East, everything is clear, but the dollar is not supported by anything, except for oil payments. But with the old woman Europe, a subtler game. But the prospect is tempting to remove the euro from the scene. Of course, it will be replaced by a buck. When will the European countries switch to national currencies, when will they still stabilize, and here are the dollars. Do you need to trade and trade? I have to! The dollar hardens, just rushing for 12 hours. repeat ... The Americans will quickly extinguish the Middle East mess, or there will be a manageable mess if we surrender Assad. Or ISIS or the Ottoman Empire, well, they will come up with it. ISIS will trade oil only for dollars, otherwise they will again be "given democracy."
      As rightly noted, "The United States has no better ally than Britain !!!" Is Britain sitting on the Eureka? Its currency is GBP, code 826. That is exactly what Britain will not suffer.
      Not for nothing that the original arrogant Saxons did not give up the pound. tongue
      So that everything fits together perfectly. There will be a yuan and a dollar. And the Fed will continue to print candy wrappers and the national debt of America will grow. You can ignore this for a while. And then it will be seen.
  25. korol yasheriz
    korol yasheriz 23 September 2015 12: 24
    +2
    Undoubtedly, the flow of refugees that has poured into Europe is clearly a clearly planned operation. At least for the reason that the war is not the first day. But somehow interrupted. And suddenly, for no reason at all, the dam burst through. The process has begun.

    Well, that's the whole thing, that they fought and bombed there for a long time, but such a large and, mativo, organized flow of these "refugees" began after this "Arab spring". At the same time, many people say that the overwhelming majority of refugees are aggressive young men, and the numbers are cited up to "80%". In short, they ... they are not refugees, and I am almost sure that Europe will go bang. Right now, the butting will begin (yes, they are already starting, in general), these "refugees" will be brought up with trunks, some sarin will be welded, and there will be such a boom in Europe that it will turn into a real asshole in the world, and if you take into account how many in Germany US bases - it is generally unclear what this will lead to
  26. X Y Z
    X Y Z 23 September 2015 14: 38
    +2
    It is possible that the special services worked and that there was some Hans or Paul behind Jozef Mohammed from Ankara, but the refugees themselves are also not a model of tolerance and gratitude. And already with might and main they are trying to instill in the locals their views and foundations. As was the case with a refugee who lived for several days in a German family. On the 4th day, he weightily declared that it would be better for the mistress to walk in the hijab, for which he was sent (far). And this is just the beginning. You can’t attribute everything to special services.
  27. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 23 September 2015 17: 51
    +4
    Merkel will soon be ordered to wear a burqa ...
  28. Altona
    Altona 25 September 2015 09: 58
    0
    A gift from Bavaria to the year before last Oktoberfest ... They gave a more tolerant last Oktoberfest ...
  29. Ivan the Fool
    Ivan the Fool 3 October 2015 16: 22
    0
    I like the holiday ......... gluttony!
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