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How is import substitution in Russia

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In Moscow, the exhibition "Import Substitution". The purpose of the event is to summarize the first results of the implementation of the All-Russian program.


How is import substitution in Russia

Meat products of Russian manufacturers, presented at the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" in "Crocus-Expo".
The exhibition exposition of the project is designed to demonstrate the capabilities and achievements of domestic producers in the field of competitive import substitution of goods and services.



Stand of home appliances of Russian manufacturers at the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" in the "Crocus-Expo".



Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev during the inspection of the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" at the Crocus Expo.



At the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" in "Crocus-Expo".
The total exhibition area is about 15000 square. m. About 300 enterprises and organizations from 30 regions of Russia participate in the exhibition.



The stand of the manufacturer of power tools "Interskol" at the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" in "Crocus-Expo".
The largest expositions are represented by the state corporation Rostec, the GAZ group, the Komita group of companies, the Petersburg Tractor Plant, and others. 11 regions with collective stands also take part in the exhibition.



The ambulance car on the basis of GAZ, presented at the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" in Crocus-Expo.



Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev (right) during an inspection of the international specialized exhibition Import Substitution at the Crocus Expo IEC.



Neonatal baby bass bed “Baby 12 − 01”, which is designed to ensure optimal temperature conditions for newborns, presented at the international specialized exhibition “Import Substitution” in Crocus-Expo.



Baby heater UOMZ neonatal baby at the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" in "Crocus-Expo".



Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev (second from right) during an inspection of the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" at the Crocus Expo IEC. Second from left is Maxim Balabanov, project manager for work with government customers, to the right is Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich, and third from right is President of Crocus Group Aras Agalarov.



The booth of the producer of mineral waters of OJSC "Narzan" at the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" in "Crocus-Expo".



At the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" in "Crocus-Expo".



Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev (foreground) during an inspection of the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" at the Crocus Expo IEC.



Stand of home appliances of the Russian manufacturer MIKMA at the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" in "Crocus-Expo".



Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev during the inspection of the international specialized exhibition "Import Substitution" at the Crocus Expo.



The stand of the Belarusian company “ThermoBrest” at the international specialized exhibition “Import Substitution” in “Crocus-Expo”.
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  1. RU-Officer
    RU-Officer 26 September 2015 06: 29 New
    +14
    The event, of course, worthy of coverage, but especially the pictures with DAM pleased! good That's where he stands between Agalarov and Dvorkovich with a look from the series "Wow! New gate! .." belay And still behind the wheel of a reanimobile - it seems this is his true ceiling of professionalism. hi
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 26 September 2015 09: 15 New
      +4
      Note that a lot of DAMs have become really want again the country is very complex wassat the choice to provide a new multi-way castling? laughing
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 26 September 2015 09: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Note that there are many LADIES

        Particularly pleased with the photo captions:
        Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev (second from right)
        laughing
        But the stand of household appliances looks more than modest .. but this is precisely the very "small and medium business", the comprehensive support of which the authorities announced with such pathos in connection with the "import substitution"!
        It is hoped that real support will still work.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 27 September 2015 00: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: avia1991
          It is hoped that real support will still work.

          If you really want it, then you certainly hope, but there is every reason to believe that your hopes will be in vain. crying
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 26 September 2015 09: 25 New
      +26
      How is import substitution in Russia

      how how ... something like that
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 26 September 2015 09: 44 New
        +3
        Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev (second from right)

        Did someone not recognize?
  2. rope
    rope 26 September 2015 06: 40 New
    +28
    this is how import substitution takes place in Russia
    1. anip
      anip 26 September 2015 16: 13 New
      +6
      Quote: rope
      this is how import substitution takes place in Russia

      And I remember, for this picture minus fiercely. laughing
      It seems that with more people, enlightenment comes.
      1. rope
        rope 27 September 2015 11: 31 New
        0
        this is good laughing
  3. Free wind
    Free wind 26 September 2015 06: 53 New
    +16
    Interskol, these are the Chinas. These are Chinese cars.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 26 September 2015 09: 10 New
      +14
      The participation of DAM itself is already a signal that we are rubbed in glasses, we learned how to make the maximum with the nameplate made in Russia, and if you take it apart, all the stuffing that is vital for the device is not ours.
      1. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 26 September 2015 10: 57 New
        +11
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        we learned how to make the maximum with the nameplate made in Russia, and if you take it apart, then all the filling that is vital for the device is not ours.

        Import substitution is impossible without its own engineering.
        And mechanical engineering is impossible without machine tools.
        1. sherp2015
          sherp2015 26 September 2015 13: 07 New
          +13
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          Import substitution is impossible without its own engineering.
          And mechanical engineering is impossible without machine tools.


          Well guys, tell me - where are the Russian LED screens, monitors? Televisions and miscellaneous electronics from their components ....
          I went into the store of electronic and household appliances yesterday and did not see any of our TV sets.
          Well, if you think about it, is it really our country, our engineers, designers and technologists are so mediocre?
          How many television factories were there in the USSR? Lviv, Minsk, Rubin Electron, and in my opinion a few ...
          Is it really Skolkovo, in which so many billions have swelled and Rusnano is not able to learn how to produce LED screens?
          And cameras, VCRs, computers and other trifles?
          Clothes? At the time, they released good sheepskin coats, but now everything is Turkish Chinese or someone else ...
          All production was destroyed by the villains perestroika, a disgrace to the country and its leaders, they are shaking iPhones and I ... in front of the cameras ...
          1. rkkasa xnumx
            rkkasa xnumx 26 September 2015 13: 23 New
            +7
            Quote: sherp2015
            In due time let out good sheepskin coats

            At the time, they released not only good sheepskin coats. I will give a reference to the fact that the Soviet Union exported:
            http://istmat.info/node/499
            Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands - machine tools, tractors, household appliances.
            Now we can’t do it for ourselves.
            Quote: sherp2015
            Is our country, our engineers, designers and technologists so mediocre?

            And this enrages us, that it would have been okay if they were always slanting hand-claws ... but they could have done it before. And they did.
            1. armata37
              armata37 26 September 2015 16: 34 New
              +2
              It can, of course, be cheaper and more profitable. After all, it is necessary to organize production at home, to train people, etc. BUT!
              - the people we have seem to be there and are not even stupid
              - we also have technologies
              - if something is not there, have not learned, have not come up with, then you can take it and copy it. China lives and not only cups, copies spoons, but you yourself know what.

              As for the "cheaper", now the dollar has risen, and with it the price. So you don’t have to do your electronics.
        2. anip
          anip 26 September 2015 16: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          Import substitution is impossible without its own engineering.
          And mechanical engineering is impossible without machine tools.

          Now hurray, the Patriots will run with the cries of "you-all-lie", "race-get-up-with-kalen", "a-look-a-site-done-at-us."
          1. unsinkable
            unsinkable 26 September 2015 20: 54 New
            +3
            Dear, you are the exact opposite of Urya-patriots (who I don’t like). You are all-inclined (who also don’t like). There is still a category of logical and evidence-minded, without emotions. I respect them.
        3. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 27 September 2015 00: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          And mechanical engineering is impossible without machine tools.

          and all this is impossible by the current government request
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 27 September 2015 00: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            and all this is impossible by the current government

            And why didn’t she please you so much ?! Do you really dream of a home "candle factory" ?! what
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 27 September 2015 01: 04 New
              +3
              Quote: avia1991
              And why didn’t she please you so much ?!

              we have class contradictions
              Quote: avia1991
              Do you really dream of a home "candle factory" ?!

              I dream of working in my main specialty as a design engineer for robotic systems. yes
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    2. avia1991
      avia1991 26 September 2015 09: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Free Wind
      Interskol, these are the Chinas. These are Chinese cars.

      Interskol is a Russian company, and its production facilities are located, including in Russia.
      At the end of 2010, INTERSKOL has four main production sites:

      factory in the city of Bykovo (FELISATTI) of the Moscow region. Pilot production is located here;
      Spanish factory in Ripoll (INTERSKOL POWER TOOLS SL);
      two joint ventures in China: in the city of Jinhua (Interskol Crown Group) and in Shanghai (Interskol manufacturing Ltd.).
      http://technic.su/publ/interskol/istorija_interskol/4-1-0-9
      And the design is largely determined by the Italian company FELISATTI.
      The fact that a significant part of the instrument is manufactured in China allows us to maintain a relatively low price, with acceptable quality. Yes, and there is nowhere especially for us to place production: there are not enough "live" enterprises for everyone who wants to .. hi
      1. anip
        anip 26 September 2015 16: 18 New
        +5
        Quote: avia1991
        Yes, and there is nowhere especially for us to place production: there are not enough "live" enterprises for everyone who wants to ..

        The country is large and nowhere to place ?? Have you tried to build factories ??
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 26 September 2015 23: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: anip
          Have you tried to build factories ??

          Are you asking me that ?!
          Ask this question to the government! Find out from them why they consider it a good idea to preserve money in the Reserve and STABFund, instead of creating STATE industrial and machine-tool enterprises, developing technologies, and organizing research and development in topical areas ?!
          That's why our companies place their products in China: we DO NOT have our own capacities, and the smallest and medium-sized businesses do not have enough funds to independently master the construction of new enterprises!
    3. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 26 September 2015 10: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: Free Wind
      Interskol, these are the Chinas. These are Chinese cars.

      No. The Chinese took some part of the shares for their market, but in general this is a Russian company and was born in Russia, a pretty decent tool.
      1. svd-xnumx
        svd-xnumx 26 September 2015 17: 24 New
        +1
        I’ve been using the Interskol plane for 20 years already, in Izhevsk, I only changed knives and bearings. I only complain about the plastic seats of the bearings, if I don't keep track of the bearings it melts.
    4. anip
      anip 26 September 2015 16: 14 New
      -3
      Quote: Free Wind
      Interskol, these are the Chinas. These are Chinese cars.

      Exactly! And this is the whole essence of "import substitution" in Medveputin style.
    5. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 27 September 2015 00: 13 New
      +1
      He hammered a hundredths nail in the country, so the hammer burst along, from import substitution request
    6. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 27 September 2015 00: 13 New
      0
      He hammered a hundredths nail in the country, so the hammer burst along, from import substitution request
  4. Old soldier
    Old soldier 26 September 2015 06: 54 New
    +13
    But interestingly, the power tool and household appliances produced in China is Russian?
    If domestic production is carried out abroad, then in my opinion there can be no question of import substitution.
    Regarding Narzan, what can I say, powerful! So win!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 September 2015 10: 52 New
      +1
      All this is done with us, and not in China, the Chinese have their own brands.
    2. Spitfire
      Spitfire 26 September 2015 12: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: Old soldier
      But interestingly, the power tool and household appliances produced in China is Russian?
      If domestic production is carried out abroad, then in my opinion there can be no question of import substitution.
      Regarding Narzan, what can I say, powerful! So win!


      iPhone is considered American, despite the fact that it is made in China.
  5. 31rus
    31rus 26 September 2015 06: 59 New
    +11
    On September 19, at a gas station, Gazprom, passing a shop window with chocolate, decided to buy a chocolate for his grandson, I see familiar letters and words (served in Hungary) and chocolate made in Hungary wasn’t mistaken, he didn’t buy, the staff were asked where the goods were from, the answer was and trade, here’s import substitution for you, someone is cutting money and hanging noodles to the people, by the way the price of a bar is cheaper than ours
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 September 2015 10: 54 New
      +2
      But have we really introduced an embargo on the import of chocolate products?
      1. 31rus
        31rus 26 September 2015 18: 40 New
        +1
        And does the chocolate industry no longer belong to the food industry? And why? Fine candies and chocolates from their manufacturers, and the names "Alenka", "Three Bears", "Honey", etc. beauty, and why don’t we understand what?
  6. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 26 September 2015 07: 38 New
    +2
    but the tractor is definitely not John Deere in a new wrapper?
  7. fa2998
    fa2998 26 September 2015 07: 39 New
    +11
    Quote: Old soldier
    Regarding Narzan, what can I say, powerful! So win!

    In my opinion, we are witnessing a performance! Under good slogans, there is a good cut. Yesterday at the traffic lights stood next to the ambulance - all in the slogans - "NATIONAL HEALTH PROGRAM" - all in rust, the bottom will fall off soon, and the car is new . At our construction site, the director bought a decommissioned "tablet" (UAZ) - he has been running for over 40 years, in the original paint.
    And they make good money from these “counter-sanctions!” And it falls to our businessmen. The Belarusians are moving forward, along with the notorious “Belarusian” shrimps and octopuses, KIVI have been added. Young people are not shy!
    And for domestic electric tools I’m FOR. Interskol has been working for me for 10 years, you won’t get enough money for German drills, and Chinese ones (admins remove a suitable word). Ours is average in price and quality. hi
    1. Major_Vortex
      Major_Vortex 26 September 2015 07: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: fa2998
      , you won’t get enough money for German drills, but


      If there is money, then working hands prefer Japanese makita. All acquaintances who make a living with this tool calm down after acquiring makit. And I have a makita. In a suitcase stands next to the tool. But darling, the infection is like a bosh.
      1. k174oun7
        k174oun7 26 September 2015 09: 01 New
        +2
        Good Hitachi screwdrivers. According to the criterion of price, quality is the most.
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 26 September 2015 09: 48 New
          +5
          you don’t get enough money for German drills
          working hands prefer Japanese makita
          Good Hitachi screwdrivers

          All of the above is made in China. Most, anyway ...
        2. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 26 September 2015 13: 22 New
          +4
          Colleagues, an article about import substitution, and you are all about Chinese and Japanese e-tools .. here apparently it is ... laughing crying
      2. marshes
        marshes 26 September 2015 10: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
        But darling, the infection is like a bosh.

        There is also China, a manual mill. There was an original and China, no difference.
      3. Wiski
        Wiski 26 September 2015 14: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
        working hands prefer Japanese makita.


        I wouldn’t say so- bosch many prefer Makite, especially regarding perforators.
        1. Major_Vortex
          Major_Vortex 26 September 2015 22: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Wiski
          Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
          working hands prefer Japanese makita.


          I wouldn’t say so- bosch many prefer Makite, especially regarding perforators.

          Mitsubishi's best electric rotary hammers. They are unrivaled in the pros, where you need high-performance rotary hammers powered by a network. But at home, such performance is not needed. Enough and good makita, and bosh, You can take it easier if you do not work with a hammer for 8-10 hours a day. I generally have a Russian punch at home and enough. Maybe there are other Boshes in Israel. Then I will not say.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 26 September 2015 23: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
            Mitsubishi's best electric rotary hammers. They are out of competition with the proswhere network-powered, high-performance rotary hammers are needed.

            Yeah .. but that's about it - what do you think? True - well, sooo dear ..

            Hilti (Hilti) TE 40-AVR SDS Plus Combined rotary hammer
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            2. Major_Vortex
              Major_Vortex 27 September 2015 03: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
              Mitsubishi's best electric rotary hammers. They are out of competition with the proswhere network-powered, high-performance rotary hammers are needed.

              Yeah .. but that's about it - what do you think? True - well, sooo dear ..

              Hilti (Hilti) TE 40-AVR SDS Plus Combined rotary hammer


              This is still "small." There is higher competition and more players. And I'm talking about very large ones, which are inferior in performance only to pneumatic ones. There are a lot of small firms producing highly specialized tools in Europe. Those who need it know and buy the right tool.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 27 September 2015 04: 05 New
                0
                Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                This is still "small." There is higher competition and more players

                Even this little one is worth a piece of greenery belay And this is "Chinese", in my opinion.

                Communicated once with people who work professionally. They have Hilti - a favorite brand, fortunately, the means allow.

                I have DeWalt family, damn-when-bought. They lie, don’t ask for porridge, sometimes come in handy ..
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 27 September 2015 00: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: Wiski
          bosch many prefer makite, especially regarding rotary hammers

          And absolutely, by the way, without foundation: Makita is more forgiving in work, and more endures. Bosch often overheats the gearbox - especially new ones.
      4. avia1991
        avia1991 27 September 2015 00: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
        And I have a makita. In a suitcase stands next to the tool. But darling, the infection is like a bosh.

        Makita and Bosch - "Advanced domestic tool. "No offense, I used both of them myself. I don’t take heavy punchers and jack hammers into account. I can say that Interskol is a bit inferior - and that, depending on the model. A professional tool is Hilti," DeWalt ", made in Europe. Say what you like, the reliability of a professional instrument is still far from the Germans.
        But a German tool costs money ... it’s easier to buy two Chinese ones — they come out longer in time and cost less than one European.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 27 September 2015 00: 10 New
          0
          Quote: avia1991
          Professional tool - "Hilti", "DeWalt", made in Europe

          In-in ..

          By the way, Hilti and the Chinese are already doing their best.
    2. marshes
      marshes 26 September 2015 10: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: fa2998
      , and Chinese- (admins remove the appropriate word)

      PIT om did not use. Good tool.
      I have a BOSCH rotary hammer, one to one with the original. And the price is $ 35, when I bought it seven years ago, it still works.
      In the photo there is a small part of what is at hand. Due to the geographical proximity with China, and everything was bought before the TS, old prices now look ridiculous.
  8. bubla5
    bubla5 26 September 2015 07: 49 New
    +6
    How the goods traveled from the EU and goes, all this he-nya
  9. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 26 September 2015 07: 59 New
    +7
    Everything has become more expensive. Shrimp and octopus have left our family, but somehow we’re not mourning, something else has gone. The cheese has changed.
    Tea infuriates most of all. As I understand it, someone’s broth has increased, but for people the price has increased, with a decrease in quality.
  10. Ilya77
    Ilya77 26 September 2015 08: 31 New
    +12
    I open the Metro cash & carry catalog, Spanish ham and French cheese are written there without hesitation .. I certainly don’t care, I don’t eat it, but it’s ridiculous - even here they couldn’t block the flow of food that was transported openly in wagons.
    I think so far in the field of agricultural products we can carry out import substitution, for us, not very rich people, it happened already so long ago - I don’t remember the last time I bought something imported, meat, milk, cheese, butter, etc. .d. - Everything is domestic, except that of course the fruits were foreign.
    But without jamon we lived and will live, but without electronics (I mean the element base) it will be bad, 90% of the element base is imported, I tell you this in aviation. Even if they say they say that, then the KRET block was developed or by Schwab, all the same, imported elements inside, 90% percent. After all, it is possible to carry out import substitution here, the same MCST makes processors, apparently all this is not interesting to the government. It’s better to get into the people’s pocket with numerous requisitions, then take away pensions and dump them abroad, as many ministers, deputies and officials do.
  11. Mihail55
    Mihail55 26 September 2015 09: 26 New
    +3
    Most importantly, THEIR prices are the same; QUALITY is not worse; our prices are almost twice as high, and the quality and reliability are at the same level. From experience, so far only KZTS (there is such a plant in the Urals) is progressing, but this is a drop in the bucket ... sorry.
  12. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 26 September 2015 09: 53 New
    +8
    It’s a pity that they don’t write over each stand how many percent of components were produced in Russia. He laughed where the author identified Medvedev as the second on the right.

    Khrushchev photographed on a pig farm. The newspaper men are sitting, thinking how to sign a picture. "Comrade Khrushchev among pigs" - uncomfortable. “Pigs among Comrade Khrushchev” is also not that. They decided briefly: "the third from the left is Comrade Khrushchev."
  13. Combitor
    Combitor 26 September 2015 10: 36 New
    +5
    I make repairs at home and, of course, the question arises of the acquisition of a particular tool. Therefore, as necessary, gradually acquired a screwdriver, drill, puncher, jigsaw, "grinder" and a circular saw. No import, all ours. Interskol and Special. Great tool. The quality is not inferior to the same "Bosch" or "Makite." Well, the price is two, two and a half times less. And think about why paying for an import brand is more expensive if you can buy ours cheaper and not worse.
    The same with products. You need to eat Russian. It is, at least, real.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 27 September 2015 00: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Kombitor
      Interskol and Special.

      I am glad for you, and I do not argue that Interskol is a good choice. But here about the "Special", please do not tell! Until they get to the quality of Interskol, Interskol will probably surpass Makita! wassat
  14. Denbfrkas
    Denbfrkas 26 September 2015 10: 44 New
    +3
    Dashing trouble began. The main thing is that already at the state level, this is the beginning to talk about. Already better than nothing.
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  16. timyr
    timyr 26 September 2015 11: 41 New
    +5
    It is clearly seen that this is not Medvedev, but his double, because without an iPhone. Medvedev is not real
  17. Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 26 September 2015 12: 40 New
    +2
    How is import substitution in Russia
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 26 September 2015 14: 35 New
      +1
      Medvedev at the “helm” of power in the country is definitely a further collapse and plunder of the country, like that we were arranged by various Gaidars, Chubais, Abramovichi, Gusinsky and so on in the 90s.
      And import substitution is underway, but it’s just not possible to replace and produce everything ourselves = right tomorrow. The USSR built production for years and decades and therefore could supply itself almost 100%, but thousands if not tens of thousands of plants and factories were deliberately destroyed by reformers and now it will take more than one year to restore it.
      And no matter what they say, for example, about Rogozin, he promised basically to finish import substitution in the defense industry no earlier than 2020, although I think even these deadlines are somewhat small.
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 26 September 2015 16: 22 New
        +6
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Medvedev at the helm of power
        Is Medvedev the head of state?
        Did Medvedev appoint himself prime minister?
        Does Medvedev himself, for lack of a boss, ignore the negativity of his own actions?
        Medvedev determines the main directions of politics?
        Was Medvedev the prime minister from 2008 to 2012 when everything was exactly the same in the government?

        this is definitely a further collapse and plunder of the country, like that we were given different Gaidars, Chubays
        Putin: “The death of Yegor Timurovich Gaidar is a bereavement for Russia, for all of us. There is no true citizen and patriot, a strong-minded person, a talented scientist, writer and practitioner.
        Not every statesman has the opportunity to serve the Fatherland at the most critical stages of its history, to make key decisions that will determine the future of the country
        Egor Timurovich Gaidar adequately accomplished this difficult task, showing the best professional and personal qualities
        He did not shy away from responsibility and in the most difficult situations he held a blow with honor and courage
        The blessed memory of Yegor Gaidar will forever remain in the hearts of his family and friends, all who knew this wonderful person. "
        http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=331463&tid=75735

        Putin: “Chubais and his associates made many mistakes in the 90s, but they managed to radically change the structure of the economy. I believe that he and a number of people who worked with him then, of course, made many mistakes. And a certain image formed, but someone had to do what they did. They changed the whole structure of the Russian economy and essentially changed the pace of development. "
        http://vz.ru/news/2013/4/25/630312.html

        And import substitution is underway, but it’s just not possible to replace and produce everything ourselves = right tomorrow
        And the current leadership of the country appeared just yesterday, and not 15 years ago, and Peter didn’t get rid of from the 90th to the 96th year?

        USSR built production for years and decades
        the USSR BUILT production, and not whined about foreign investment, raising a liberal economy into a fetish.

        Putin: “You see, we did not have any large-scale nationalization, nor a slide towards universal administrative regulation. We maintained the free movement of capital and convertibility of the ruble. I am sure that all this served as a convincing signal for investors, and I want to emphasize and say once again: a return there will be no past. Russia will remain a liberal market economy. Today I want to repeat once again: we will consistently continue the line of encouraging private initiative, integration into the world economy, and creating favorable investment climate. "
        http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=317679

        For the 1st five-year period, 1500 industrial enterprises were built in the USSR, therefore, whining about "not one year to restore it" - this is exactly whining, since there were 15 such years.

        And whatever they say for example about Rogozin
        He was like a venerable opportunist, so he remained.

        Rogozin's nephew - Livanov - a big hello from education for pushing the second mandatory, this time either Japanese or Chinese, a foreign language.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 26 September 2015 16: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Uncle Joe
          During the 1 5th Five-Year Plan, 1500 Industrial Enterprises were Built in the USSR

          The level of technology of those times and today - we compare .. to build 1500, conditionally, village forges, and as many Volvo plants - we don’t feel the difference?

          Uncle Joe .. you can troll .. but you need to thinner .. more thoroughly ..

          Quote: Uncle Joe
          For the 1 5th Year in the USSR was built

          And by the way, yes .. for the five-year period .. when was there an "import substitution" announced? Five-year plan - has it passed already? Not? So why are you yelling like a victim ..

          Ugh .. negative
          1. Proxor_P
            Proxor_P 26 September 2015 17: 07 New
            -3
            Somewhere I read a review article about new production in 2014. It states that in that year 1,5 new plants were commissioned DAY! Checked on the recommended site - everything is for sure. So, a lot is being built. Classic: built the port of Sabetta + infrastructure, without noise, dust and the Gulag. And in the days of the USSR could you? Without soldiers and convicts? Question! So sho is done, but we must persistently continue and not raise the screech to heaven. I also recommend that everyone honestly ask themselves: but am I doing something for the Fatherland?
            1. rosarioagro
              rosarioagro 26 September 2015 18: 45 New
              +4
              Quote: Proxor_P
              Classic: built the port of Sabetta + infrastructure, without noise, dust and the Gulag. And in the days of the USSR could you?

              And who equipped the same Yamal deposits? Or do you think they were discovered after the USSR? The port of Sabetta was built exclusively for export, including to the damning west cursing on this site to Geyropa, oh, how bad it is :-)
            2. serge siberian
              serge siberian 26 September 2015 19: 18 New
              0
              and how much money did you spend?
            3. Vitaly72
              Vitaly72 26 September 2015 22: 05 New
              +2
              I understand you, after the war of the USSR, for several years, soldiers and prisoners were raised from the ruins?
          2. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 26 September 2015 17: 27 New
            +5
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            The level of technology of those times and present
            The speed of processing and transmitting information, transporting goods, making decisions, etc. then - 3 times lower than now, that is 30 years then - this is 10 years today.

            Well, and at least forge built forges over the past 15 years?

            Or in another way - by how many high-tech units has the total number of enterprises in the Russian Federation increased?

            Uncle Joe .. you can troll .. but you need to thinner .. more thoroughly
            You have it tight.

            And by the way, yes .. for the five-year period .. when was there an "import substitution" announced?
            And what were you doing for 15 years, before you got the pinches from the West, or is this not considered?

            So why are you yelling like a victim
            It is funny to observe such claims of someone who has to chew on elementary things.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 26 September 2015 17: 31 New
              -2
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              .

              BSC

              Quote: Uncle Joe
              Well, and at least forge built forges over the past 15 years?

              Vadim237 take an interest .. he is an entrepreneur, he is close

              I repeat:

              Uncle Joe .. you can troll .. but you need to thinner .. more thoroughly

              Okay .. you didn’t post quotes for a long time, go on .. For the lines, are you paying? yes
              1. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 26 September 2015 17: 49 New
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                BSC
                TU 6 101533-89

                Vadim237 take an interest .. he is an entrepreneur, he is close
                wassat

                He’s not close to him, he’s done laughing

                Minus 9000 enterprises from 2005 to 2013, so sit on the priest evenly.



                I repeat:

                Uncle Joe .. you can troll .. but you need to thinner .. more thoroughly
                I repeat - it’s tight with you.

                For lines after all, payment?
                You don’t even know if they pay you - they took your word for it ... laughing
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 26 September 2015 18: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  Minus 9000 enterprises from 2005 to 2013

                  It’s bad ... you have to reorient yourself from raw materials to industrial bourgeoisie .. but how they improve industry - there you will start a revolution .. if you survive wink

                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  BSK TU 6 101533-89

                  BSK - this is Bullshit, in fact .. GOST and TU are not regulated laughing

                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  You don’t even know if they pay you - they took your word for it ...

                  All you know .. you’ve been everywhere (c) Anecdote
                  1. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 26 September 2015 18: 51 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    need to reorient from raw materials to industrial bourgeoisie
                    Who needs industrial bourgeoisie?

                    BSK is Bullshit
                    A BSK (TU 6 101533-89) - brake fluid lol

                    Anecdote
                    http://pikabu.ru/story/anekdot_950486
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 26 September 2015 18: 47 New
                  0
                  But do not you list at least 50 of these 9000 closed enterprises and without LLC - these pieces of 10 per day open and close throughout Russia.
                  1. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 26 September 2015 22: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    And do you list at least 50
                    And the face will not crack from 50?

                    1 Khabarovsk Daldizel.
                    2 Saratov Aviation.
                    3 Altai Tractor.
                    4 Barnaul hardware-mechanical.
                    5 4th GPZ, Samara.
                    6 Oryol Himmash.
                    7 Voronezh excavator.
                    8 Centrolite, Lipetsk.
                    9 Dynamo Plant, Moscow
                    10 Khabarovsk factory "Evgo".

                    Do you want to speculate on the topic that they say reducing staff from 5000 to 100 people, as well as reshaping activities from production to rental premises is not the destruction of the enterprise, or just keep silent?
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 26 September 2015 23: 03 New
                      0
                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      or just keep silent

                      Nah .. below is an example of one "dead" plant, very significant, IMHO:

                      Petrovsk-Zabaykalsky Metallurgical Plant.

                      - founded in 1789 by Catherine the Second, named in part of Peter I - Petrovsky
                      - On November 29 of 1790, the first pig iron was obtained from the ore of the Balyaginsky deposit

                      Quote: Wiki
                      In the war and post-war years, steelmaking capacities were expanded and workshops for the production of finished products, cast iron and steel casting were introduced, which allowed to increase the total production compared to 1940 by 10,3 times by 1960 and by 13,8 times by 1970. At the end of the 1970, production was reduced; in 1990 it exceeded the pre-war level only 11,5 times. The open-hearth workshop worked on imported cast iron and scrap metal. Lack of raw materials and materials led to a decrease in output: 1996 thousand tons of steel were smelted and 63,9 thousand tons of rolled products were produced, and 53,8 and 1997 thousand tons respectively

                      That is, the plant stupidly ate the field, from which, in fact, it worked. Even with the Union.

                      To transport pig iron for open-hearth metal from where to Transbaikalia, so that the steel products obtained again go somewhere somewhere to transport it - it’s silly somehow ..

                      Quote: Wiki
                      After the plant stopped in July of the 1999 year, work in the open-hearth workshop resumed in the 2001 year, during the 5 months of which 16 thousand tons of steel were produced. Since June 2001, the company was stopped, in September 2002 of the year declared bankrupt

                      That is - the plant died a natural death, oddly enough ..
                      1. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 27 September 2015 00: 14 New
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        That is - the plant died a natural death
                        And what? laughing

                        You either blow off the globe, or feed an owl, otherwise you will not fit one on the other.
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 27 September 2015 01: 12 New
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        And what?

                        Mancho ..

                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        You either blow off the globe, or feed an owl

                        Owls - you are our special yes

                        And there are not one or two plants of such plants that have not survived the suddenly arisen competition, or simply - unprofitable.

                        Personally, I know this one - they did the S-300 there .. he died safely, the S-300 (400, 500) is now made in other places.

                        I mean, the figure 9000 would be nice to see under a microscope, but -

                        - I - stupidly once
                        - you - stupidly do not need, the argument will be lost killer .. you are our revolutionary, fiery, room laughing

                        Voooot ..
                      3. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 27 September 2015 02: 36 New
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        And there are not one or two factories of such plants that have not survived the competition that has suddenly arisen, or simply - unprofitable
                        And how many?
                        And how is their closure compensated if in 8 years we have minus 9000 enterprises?

                        I mean, the figure 9000 would be nice to see under a microscope
                        So take a microscope, if you don’t know how to enlarge the screen, and see smile

                        I - stupidly once
                        This is stupidly your problem.

                        Voooot ..
                        Cat smile
                      4. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 27 September 2015 02: 50 New
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Cat

                        Hamim s .. negative

                        I note - the patient is blown away .. sorry, it was interesting .. watch laughing
                      5. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 27 September 2015 03: 17 New
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Hamim-s
                        We are ascertainable.

                        it was interesting .. watch
                        What to watch?
                        How do you talk nonsense about pegging the ruble to the dollar, or about the privately owned Central Bank? laughing

                        I have to upset you - it was not at all interesting.
                      6. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 27 September 2015 03: 23 New
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I have to upset you - it was not at all interesting.

                        That is forever you take everything at your own expense .. request

                        It wasn’t about you .. don’t worry, it’ll also be about you yes
                      7. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 27 September 2015 03: 27 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        It was not about you
                        I was hoping crying
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 26 September 2015 23: 45 New
          +2
          Here is a small drop from what is destroyed by effective managers:
          Factory "Red Proletariat" (Moscow) (born in 1857 - killed in 2010);
          Izhevsk Motorcycle Plant (born in 1928 - killed in 2009);
          Irbit Motorcycle Plant (Ural) (born in 1941 - in a coma);
          Pavlovsk Tool Plant (born in 1820 - killed in 2011);
          Lipetsk Tractor Plant (born in 1943 - killed in 2009);
          Altai Tractor Plant (Rubtsovsk) (born in 1942 - killed in 2010);
          Shipbuilding Plant (Petrozavodsk) (born in 1939 - killed in 2010);
          Shipyard (Vladivostok) (born in 1895 - killed in 2009);
          Radio plant "Vega" (Berdsk) (born in 1946 - killed in 1999);
          Saratov Aviation Plant (born in 1931– killed in 2010);
          Omsk Transport Engineering Plant (born in 1896 - killed in 2009);
          Chelyabinsk watch factory "Lightning" (born in 1947 - killed in 2009);
          Uglich watch factory "The Seagull" (born in 1938 - killed in 2009);
          The second Moscow watch factory "Glory" (born in 1924 - killed in 2006);
          Chistopol watch factory “Vostok” (born in 1941– killed in 2010);
          Plant "Stankomash" (Chelyabinsk) (born in 1935 - killed in 2009);
          Ryazan Machine Tool Plant (born in 1949 - killed in 2008);
          Kronstadt Marine Plant (born in 1858 - killed in 2005);
          Kuzbasselement Plant (born in 1942 - killed in 2008);
          Irkutsk Radio Plant (born in 1945 - killed in 2007);
          Precision casting plant "Centrolit" (Lipetsk) (born in 1963 - killed in 2009);
          Tomsk Instrument Plant (born in 1961 - killed in 2007);
          Sivinit Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1970 - killed in 2004);
          Krasnoyarsk TV Factory (born in 1952 - killed in 2003);
          Oryol plant managing computers (born in 1968 - killed in 2006);
          Orenburg Hardware Plant (born in 1943 - killed in 2009);
          Khabarovsk factory "EVGO" (born in 2000 - killed in 2009);
          Ulyanovsk Radio Tube Plant (born in 1959 - killed in 2003);
          Sibelektrostal Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1952 - killed in 2008);
          Orenburg Silk Fabric Combine (born in 1972 - killed in 2004);
          Barysh factory them. Gladysheva (born in 1825 - killed in 2005);
          Flax Association them. Zvorykina (Kostroma) (born in 1939 - killed in 2011);
          Far Eastern Radio Plant (born in 1993 - killed in 2009);
          Bicycle factory (Yoshkar-Ola) (born in 1950 - killed in 2006);
          Bicycle plant (Nizhny Novgorod) (born in 1940 - killed in 2007);
          Perm Bicycle Plant (born in 1939 - killed in 2006);
          Baltic Plant (born in 1856 - killed in 2011);
          Sibtyazhmash Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1941 - killed in 2011);
          Khimprom Plant (Volgograd) (born in 1931 - killed in 2010);
          Irkutsk driveshaft plant (born in 1974 - killed in 2004);
          Izhmash Plant (Izhevsk) (born in 1807 - killed in 2012) ...
          ... and even more than 70 of thousands (!) of plants and factories that perished in an unequal battle with the "market" invaders.
          And all this happened under the current president, although these enterprises survived even under eb ...
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 27 September 2015 01: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Stroporez
            Factory "Red Proletariat" (Moscow) (born in 1857 - killed in 2010);

            Quote: http://argumenti.ru/toptheme/n323/150739
            ... under unclear circumstances in Cyprus, the chairman of the Board of Directors of the "Red Proletariat" Yuri Kirillov was killed. Almost immediately after the murder, the lawyers who worked at the enterprise announced that they now own the plant. Using offshore technologies, they were able to fraudulently seize the shares of the enterprise. Namely, with a 65% stake previously controlled by Kirillov and plant management.
            To establish control over the plant’s property complex, lawyers led by Sergey Belozerov hired lawyers from the Reznik, Gagarin, Abushakhmin and Partners law firm and the Moscow Industrial Bank.

            In July 2010, a power takeover of the plant took place. It was followed by a change in the composition of the Board of Directors and the Director General. Machine tool production has completely ceased. As a result, a group operating at the plant from Dagestan and Ingushetia carries out barbaric destruction of production capacities, sells it at half price and hand over unique machine tool equipment for scrap.

            “Today,” continues Titov, “the criminal case instituted on the fact of embezzlement of the plant’s shares is still under investigation, the shares were arrested. But due to the large corruption component, it practically does not budge for a year and a half. Some individuals are trying to influence the leadership of the investigative unit. The investigation does not reach the customers and organizers. Already completing the examination, regulatory and evaluation. Charges could be brought, but the main suspect and key witness in the case, Sergei Belozerov, is the one who, according to the investigation, initially took control of the shares of the enterprise, on December 7 “accidentally” drops out of the window of the 16th floor of a high-rise building on Vernadsky Avenue. And he is only a performer. The one behind him remains in the shadows. ”

            And what started with? Since the plant was privatized .. thanks to EBN and the government of Yegor Gaydarov.

            Quote: Stroporez
            And all this happened under the current president, although these enterprises survived even under eb ...

            Well, yes, of course .. include brains, at least sometimes, for a change ..
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 27 September 2015 01: 55 New
            -1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Well, yes, of course .. include brains, at least sometimes, for a change ..

            As I understand it, the only thing that is included is with you. wink
            In my koment are the dates of the destruction of enterprises, read!
            Connect your remaining body functions to your included brain.
            You without Uncle Joe apparently wink boring.
            But he clearly told you:
            Quote: Uncle Joe
            You either blow off the globe, or feed an owl, otherwise you will not fit one on the other.

            You are better off with questions; he is a patient person. yes but it’s not interesting and lazy for me to oppose your flood laughing
          3. Cat man null
            Cat man null 27 September 2015 02: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            In my koment are dates of the destruction of enterprises

            This is the date of death. The disease that led to this sad outcome arose much earlier.

            Quote: Stroporez
            I am not interested in opposing your flood

            And flood you now ... I kind of clearly explained to you, using the example of the Red Proletariat, what happened

            is a typical raider seizure of a privatized office
            - privatized her Gaidar and Co.
            - everything else was already predetermined. Too "tasty" piece of land, and even in the center of Moscow, practically

            Quote: Stroporez
            You are probably bored without Uncle Joe

            I’m exactly on Uncle and on you too.

            Copying the lists of dead enterprises is much easier (and more spectacular) than trying to think about why it happened. Each company from your list has its own "medical history". Understand all this ?? Yes what for - it is easier to post a list and loudly yell "gra-ayabut !!!".

            What are you and Uncle doing successfully.

            Quote: Stroporez
            I'm ... lazy

            understand yes
          4. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 27 September 2015 02: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Each company on your list has its own "medical history"

            The medical history of the whole country is the same dating from 1991-2015, and the diagnosis is known.
            I’m exactly .... and you too.

            I don’t have to, because toxoplasmosis can be contagious laughing
          5. Cat man null
            Cat man null 27 September 2015 03: 12 New
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Each company on your list has its own "medical history"

            dated 1991 - 2015

            Undoubtedly .. and then?

            To argue that the disease arose "on the basis of privatization" - will we?

            By the way, they tried to run into NPO Energia, for example (Korolev MO) as well .. but here they got horns, which cannot but rejoice.

            Quote: Stroporez
            I don’t have to, because toxoplasmosis can be contagious

            Who is destined to be hanged - will not drown laughing
    2. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 27 September 2015 03: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      And what started with? Since the plant was privatized .. thanks to EBN and the government of Yegor Gaydarov
      And Putin, the stump is clear, is not a dream to privatization laughing

      No. 1024 of 09.09.99/XNUMX/XNUMX - Decision on the approval of the "Concept of state property management and privatization".
      No. 1423-r dated 09.09.99 - Order for the sale (privatization) of 67 ordinary shares of OAO Oil Company LUKOIL.
      No. 1759-r dated 31.10.99 - Order on the termination of consolidation in the federal property and sale (privatization) of a 25.5% stake in Mezhdurechensk Coal Company OJSC.
      No. 1395 dated 15.12.99/100/XNUMX - Resolution on the sale of XNUMX% of shares in Mezhdurechensk Coal Company OJSC.
      No. 1217 of November 03.11.99, XNUMX - Resolution on the preparation and holding of a commercial tender for the sale (privatization) of shares in the federal property of JSC Tyumen Oil Company.
      No. 1251 dated 14.11.99/51/XNUMX - Resolution on the sale (privatization) of Intaugol shares in excess of XNUMX% fixed in the federal property.
      No. 1935-r dated 24.11.99 - Order on sale (privatization) by installments of 75.6% of the ordinary shares of OJSC Krasnoyarsk Coal Company (see No. 194-r dated 03.02.2000).
      No. 1348 dated December 06.12.99, XNUMX - Decree on the creation of a hierarchical list of federal state unitary enterprises with the aim of simplifying preparations for the sale (privatization) of enterprises that are not strategically significant.
      No. 2061-r dated 10.12.99 - Order for the sale (privatization) of shares of OJSC Nizhneturinsky Machine-Building Plant Venta, included in the list of joint-stock companies producing products of strategic importance in excess of 50% plus 1 share fixed in the federal property.
      No. 2083-r dated 15.12.99 - Order for the sale of a 15.75% stake in Chita Coal Company.
      No. 2166-r dated 31.12.99/48.99/XNUMX - Order on inclusion of Baikal Pulp and Paper Mill OJSC in the list of joint-stock companies producing products of strategic importance, on securing XNUMX% of the shares in the federal property, and on the sale (privatization) of shares in excess of those fixed in federal property.
      No. 134-r dated 26.01.00 - Order for the sale (privatization) of all shares in the federal property of SANDVIK-MKTS OJSC.
      No. 234-r dated 10.02.00 - Order on the withdrawal from the structure of railway transport and privatization of the Moscow Electromechanical Repair Plant and the Lyuberetsky Plastmass Plant ...
    3. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 September 2015 03: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Uncle Joe
      And Putin, the stump is clear, is not a dream to privatization

      Uncle, good mass crush .. again some list of a hundred items ..

      Sound your conclusions already? Or is there no quorum yet, are there not enough powers? wink
    4. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 27 September 2015 03: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      Sound your conclusions already?
      And what for?

      Non-regulatory acts are given, the contents are indicated.

      Go to the database, check the content, look at whose signature the document is, and then try to come up with the difference between Yeltsin, Gaidar and Putin.
    5. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 September 2015 03: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Uncle Joe
      Go to the database, check the content, look at whose signature the document is, and then try to come up with a difference ...

      So you are trying to get me to work? For you?

      Nahad .. nothing to say - and say that the paper rustle something ..
    6. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 27 September 2015 03: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      So you are trying to get me to work? For you?
      Drain counted smile
    7. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 September 2015 03: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: Uncle Joe
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      So you are trying to get me to work? For you?
      Drain counted smile

      And how do you want?

      Quote: S.P. Korolev
      I do not agree - criticize, criticize - offer, offer - do, do, do - answer

      So here .. there is something to say - say it. He said - be able to justify. Do not know how - do not handle request
    8. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 27 September 2015 13: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      And how do you want?
      I wanted you to stop wagging backwards.

      have something to say
      Reread your passage about the bull with the Boriska, then read the indicated documents, and stop wagging your ass.
    9. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 September 2015 15: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Uncle Joe
      Reread your passage about the Egor with Boriska

      I have a good memory .. I remember

      Quote: Uncle Joe
      stop wagging your ass

      These are all your irrepressible erotic fantasies .. yes

      Quote: Uncle Joe
      read the specified documents

      I repeat - say in simple words what you want to say.

      If you have something to say, essno

      And stop barking already .. wakes up laughing
  18. Vadim237
    Vadim237 27 September 2015 13: 30 New
    +1
    A third of the plants from this list are working, especially Omsk Transmash, he even recently updated his site.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 27 September 2015 14: 22 New
    -2
    Reducing personnel from 5000 people to 100 it can be the process of automation of some industries, as an example, replacing 30 machines with one CNC processing center, the same productivity, even higher, and costs are reduced tenfold, and reprofiling the enterprise from production to rental, due to the lack of a sales market for products, customers and the incompetence of the leadership that led the company to bankruptcy - this is essentially a way of maintaining what is left for nothing.
  • avia1991
    avia1991 27 September 2015 00: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    The level of technology of those times and today - we are comparing .. to build 1500, conditionally, village forges,

    Magnitogorsk, DneproGES, Norilsk Nickel .. Tractor and automobile plants, aviation .. machine-tool, chemical! THIS do you call "village forges"?
    Yes, the level of technology was not the same - you can’t compare the technical equipment of modern builders with a hand wheelbarrow and a shovel, and with a Kyle and a sledgehammer too! And what prevents to invest money in this construction? UNDESIRED REAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTRY!
    It remains to be seen WHY? ..
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    And by the way, yes .. for the five-year period .. when was there an "import substitution" announced? Five-year plan - has it passed already?
    Do not pretend that you did not notice this statement:
    Quote: Uncle Joe
    And the current leadership of the country appeared just yesterday, and not 15 years ago,
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 September 2015 00: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: avia1991
      Magnitogorsk, DneproGES, Norilsk Nickel .. Tractor and automobile plants, aircraft, machine tool, chemical

      How to explain .. see (yes, the talk about the first five-year plan, 1928-1932):

      - state (USSR) - was a closed system
      - the state sought to ensure full self-sufficiency
      - in the state there were no .. elementary things - energy, metal, simple machines and other, and other
      - there was an opportunity to purchase advanced equipment and technologies in exchange for (grain, gold, continue the sequence)
      - there was cheap and motivated (ideologically, first of all) labor
      - the competitiveness of the products was stupidly "not worried" - no one was going to export it, but "inside" the USSR there was still no other

      Under such conditions, the tasks were all conditions for rapid growth.

      What we have now:

      - state (RF) - open system
      - no state in the world today can guarantee full self-sufficiency (please do not mention North Korea)
      - there are no high-tech industries in the state, such as machine tool building, electronic industry, etc. That is, they must be "built"
      - the ability to purchase advanced equipment and technologies are circumcised. Yes, they, in general, were not particularly
      - labor - spoiled by "democracy" and not motivated by anything but dough
      - the competitiveness of products is more important than ever, because otherwise they will buy foreign goods.

      Here is the difference in tasks and initial conditions for their solution.

      That is why the example of the esteemed Uncle Joe (a troll guy! My applause)

      Quote: Uncle Joe
      During the 1 5th Five-Year Plan, 1500 Industrial Enterprises were Built in the USSR

      - incorrect. Different tasks, different initial conditions.

      Quote: Uncle Joe
      "not one year to restore this" is precisely whining, since there were 15 such years

      And you, and Uncle Joe, and I know that after Gorbi - EBN there were many other problems besides building new plants. Uncle Joe just prefers not to notice it .. apparently, by the nature of service.

      Without justifying the current leadership, I nevertheless understand that nothing will appear “by the pike” and quickly (within a year) nothing will change globally.

      Something like that.

      PS:

      Quote: avia1991
      UNDESIRED REAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTRY! It remains to be seen WHY? ..

      This is your vision of the situation. I have a little different.

      hi
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 September 2015 13: 45 New
        -1
        "In the Russian Federation there are no high-tech industries like machine tools and the electronic industry" - something you are very smart about here. "Opportunities to purchase advanced equipment and technologies are cut off" - machines, go buy http://ru.dmgmori.com/
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 27 September 2015 16: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        This is your vision of the situation. I have a little different.

        Of course, this is normal, and it is your right. But then how can you explain the fact that the only structures that receive full support from the state are oil and gas companies, (which are public property, by the way!) and banking structures, whose task is to maximize the pumping of money from the pockets of citizens and the budgets of still fluttering enterprises? Explain why the state can not directly invest in the construction of new enterprises, and receive taxes on their profits, regulating their activities by controlling their leadership, and based on market needs?
        You write:
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        - labor - spoiled by "democracy" and not motivated by anything but dough

        Sorry - but thanks to WHOSE policy do we have such a "spoiled" labor force today? Who determined the priorities in moral education of youth - we ourselves ?! Who left the system of education to be torn apart to the pro-American iPhone, first brought Fursenko to this sphere - and now Livanov, two “geniuses” of the collapse of the entire educational concept?
        Together with the above data on decrees and resolutions signed by the incumbent President, a very real list of enterprises destroyed, if not always completely, as well as cover from his side of the current Central Bank leadership, more than once demonstrated by the system of "gagging" in elections at all levels,. .. etc. - All this adds up to a very unpleasant picture.
        The conclusion I made for myself was this:
        The President and Co are NOT fighting for the sovereignty and independence of Russia - he is fighting for his right to single-handedly exploit the resources of my country, not wanting to share with any international structures.
        And everything that seems to be done positively inside Russia (and I do not deny that a lot is being done, at least externally), is subordinated, unfortunately, to this very goal.
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        - no state in the world today can ensure full self-sufficiency

        In this I also do not agree with you. I believe you read the report of S. Glazyev to the Security Council. If you follow his plan - we are able to ensure self-sufficiency. Some part may not be economically justified - but in reality Russia is able to live without the participation of the rest of the world.
        And if such an effect is achieved, we can already invite investors to work with us - but only ON OUR, and not on their terms. Now, in fact, the remaining viable pieces of the economy, thanks to the "investment" from abroad, safely continue to break away from the state, turning into private - and often NOT RUSSIAN - property.
        Maybe explain what conclusions can a Russian draw seeing all these outrages every day in real, not TVshnoy, life?
        I repeat once again: in the actions of the authorities I see UNDESIRED REAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTRY. hi
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 27 September 2015 18: 55 New
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          Quote: avia1991
          the only structures that receive full support from the state are oil and gas companies (which are public property, by the way!) and banking institutions

          - space forgot
          - forgot the defense
          - not the fact that they have not forgotten something else

          So - no need to exaggerate, not everything is so gloomy.

          Quote: avia1991
          Sorry - thanks to WHOSE policy we have such a "spoiled" work force today

          I compared with the first five-year plan there, didn’t forget? 1928-1832 ..

          So .. "we had such a workforce" already in the 70s. "Take every nail from work - you're the boss here, not the guest" - is that familiar?

          By the way, the transfer of enterprises to the capitalists solved this specific problem. Especially not "drag", accounting and control - at the level. But now the capitalists themselves are stealing sad

          So do not - "thanks to whose policies we have today." It is incorporated genetically, unfortunately.

          Quote: avia1991
          we are able to ensure self-sufficiency.

          - in what time
          - by what efforts

          In general, IMHO, self-sufficiency and complete isolation of the state of the Russian Federation in the modern world is not possible. From the word "completely." Example: production ties with Ukraine were broken (with one, not God knows what, a country. Not with the whole world - with one country). Have raped a sea of ​​hemorrhoids, from what was mentioned here:

          - ship gas-turbine engine - yok, and will not be soon
          - helicopter engines - there are, but they are few
          - urgently need a workaround for the export of the same gas (so that "discounts" do not pay, yes)
          - ...

          Now imagine the same thing, but on a global scale .. brrr ...

          Quote: avia1991
          I repeat once again: in the actions of the authorities I see UNDESIRED REAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTRY.

          You see. Nobody forbids you - democracy wink
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 28 September 2015 02: 04 New
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            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - space forgot
            - forgot the defense
            I haven’t forgotten anything, Roman: both space and the defense industry — exactly the same as the rest — are credited through banks — perhaps the only difference is in really favorable conditions. At the same time, do not forget: both of these sectors do not provide the economy with consumer goods and means of production. They provide no less important elements of the country's existence: defense and, to some extent, technological development. In some - because only a small part of the technology is available for use in the national economy, due to specificity.
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            So .. "we had such a workforce" already in the 70s.
            Not everywhere, and not to that extent. And then: even if you are partly right. Then tell me: why in the past 15 years (not a year or two, mind you!) Everything has been done exactly to make this situation worse, and not correct it?
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            But now the capitalists themselves are stealing
            Exactly. And not so much even they as high-ranking officials. What is presented to us today regarding Geiser and Co., as nonsense is the usual practice of the vast majority of governors and mayors in Russia. And the scale of theft is incomparable with "pulling every nail from work .." The only difference between Gaiser, it is obvious that he was "too presumptuous." Probably, he underestimated the withdrawn amounts in front of the “curators” - and this, of course, they will not tolerate wassat
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            self-sufficiency and complete isolation of the state of the Russian Federation in the modern world is not possible

            Self-sufficiency is possible. And do not confuse it in one heap with complete isolation - I did not say such a word! smile Another thing is that the creation of a full cycle in each type of production requires more investment, which is "inconvenient" for private capital - they need quick turnover of funds. But such independence in production adds a not weak share of the country's economic and political sovereignty: no transnational corporation can dictate its conditions to our politicians, taking advantage of significant influence on the economy!
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 28 September 2015 02: 04 New
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            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Example: production ties with Ukraine were broken (with one, not God knows what, a country
            This is precisely the issue of concern for sovereignty. AND to take care of the spare production inside Russia was MORE THAN .. the same goes for gas: problems with transportation through dill did not arise yesterday, right? The same applies to other joint ventures. You can’t rely recklessly on one Supplier - this is the ABC request Moreover, if the Supplier regularly demonstrates inadequacy ..
            Everything turned out just this way, in particular, thanks to all the same high oil prices, which were not spoiled by the people (!), As in the opinion of Mr. Shuvalov, but specifically by those in power who have the illusion that IT WILL ALWAYS ALWAYS. But after all we had several years of not weak opportunities to invest in the industrialization of our own country! Not a supporter of the Communist Party — but Zyuganov has been talking about it for about 10 years now wherever you can! WHAT DISTURBED ?! The idea is a fix with the Reserve Fund .. but it's like real estate that does not generate income! You need to have a reserve - no one argues. But if our own industry is bent, we stupidly gobble it up, and ... then what? In the forests we’ll succumb, eat berries? laughing
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            You see. Nobody forbids you - democracy
            Yes Yes. Mutually, by the way!
            Unfortunately, the version of democracy that we are seeing today in Russia is more and more reminiscent of Anarchy. With a bunch of "batik Makhno" in the field.
            hi
  • afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 27 September 2015 02: 00 New
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    Uncle Joe starts repeating, look for a new negative, otherwise the reposts are solid, not funny .. wassat
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 September 2015 02: 26 New
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      Quote: afdjhbn67
      Uncle Joe starts repeating, look for a new negative, otherwise the reposts are solid, not funny .. wassat

      Uncle is blown away by the campaign .. begins to be rude at times .. before this was not noted for him ..
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 27 September 2015 02: 32 New
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        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Uncle Joe starts repeating, look for a new negative, otherwise the reposts are solid, not funny .. wassat

        Uncle is blown away by the campaign .. begins to be rude at times .. before this was not noted for him ..


        The evidence base is apparently narrowing down the new dirt can’t create, for the third month the same arguments .. see everything in one color - color blindness hi
  • 31rus
    31rus 26 September 2015 18: 53 New
    +3
    What is the dispute, if they tell you without cheap loans and, moreover, for medium and small businesses, all the talk and where?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 September 2015 01: 53 New
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      Quote: 31rus
      without cheap loans and moreover, for small and medium businesses all the chatter

      Confusing the pedals, dear.

      Neither the medium, nor the more small business - neither machine tool building, nor instrument making, nor the production of electronic components - will be pulled.

      What is really needed for the revival of these backbone industries is targeted lending to industrial enterprises. At preferential rates, for specific projects, with tight control over spending.

      As far as I know, there are such creeps. Will there be a result - we will see.

      Look ..
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 27 September 2015 16: 30 New
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        Quote: Cat Man Null
        targeted lending to industrial enterprises. At preferential rates

        What the hell is targeted lending ?! There is a Ministry of Industry, or what we have now: let the Central Bank allocate money to him for the construction of specific enterprises! Not "on credit" at 20% per annum - but at a rate of 2-3%, with an eye to the increased cost of the enterprise after launch, providing jobs, making real profits to the treasury!
        No: banks are invited to take out a loan “somewhere” in the West (or the East, whatever), to give it out for the construction of an STILL EXISTING enterprise, during the construction period to DRAW FROM THE COUNTRY, as a loan, the cost of THIS ENTERPRISE with interest - that is, to withdraw money in advance from the country MORE than the enterprise itself costs, put the difference in interest for the bank IN YOURSELF POCKET - and continue to enjoy life!
        What do you think: how many years will it take for the plant to return in the form of TAXES to the state budget its own value?
        That is, thanks to the activities of our banks, we have a constant negative balance on external operations. And for how many years Russia will have enough resources for such a feeding of foreign capital - only God knows! .. I personally think that for a short while.
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Neither the medium, nor the more small business - neither machine tool building, nor instrument making, nor the production of electronic components - will be pulled.

        And nobody argues with this. The quacking about the opening of “new enterprises” in the “doneunas” style is all the more ridiculous: most of the enterprises have 300-500 people working - this, excuse me, cannot be called “industry”, this is the very “small and medium” one. Which in no way replaces real industrialization.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 27 September 2015 17: 56 New
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          Quote: avia1991
          What the hell is targeted lending ?!

          Reduce the heat, please .. don’t divide the cow, right yes

          Target loan is a loan with a designated purpose of spending borrowed funds. For example, to modernize the machine park of workshop XXX of the YYY factory.

          Next - read carefully:

          Necessary targeted lending industrial enterprises. At preferential rates, for specific projects, with tight control over spending

          We look at the same thing that you wanted:

          Quote: avia1991
          There is a Ministry of Industry ... let the Central Bank gives him money for the construction of specific enterprises . at a rate of 2-3%

          That is how it should be.

          Next: You messed up there a little, I'll try to untie it. According to your scheme, the following is obtained:

          - the bank takes a loan abroad, say, $ 100
          - a bank lends to a certain organization, which is building a certain enterprise. Loan amount - $ 100 + $ 20. $ 20 is the interest that the bank takes
          - a year passed, the enterprise (oh, a miracle!) was built, the bank was returned $ 120
          - the bank gave $ 100 to its foreign lender. At the same time, $ 100 seems to have “left” the Russian Federation, but this is not our $ 100, this is a borrowed $ 100. No crime yet, huh? It's too early to scream ..
          - the bank received its interest ($ 20), and is free to do anything with them. It can "output", and maybe even put a project into some thread ..
          - ALL. The cycle is completed.

          Where did you get this

          Quote: avia1991
          how many years will it take for the plant to return in the form of TAXES to the state budget its own value?

          - I don’t understand .. Who should return what? Nobody owes anything to anyone .. The plant borrowed from the bank, paid the bank. The bank borrowed from a foreign bank and also paid with it. What does the state, budget, taxes have to do with it?

          Quote: avia1991
          thanks to the activities of our banks, we have a constant negative balance on external operations

          Who is "with us"? At the bank? At the state? Negative balance "on external operations" - what is this?

          Please explain what you mean by this.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 28 September 2015 02: 39 New
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            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - a year passed, the enterprise (oh, a miracle!) was built, the bank was returned $ 120
            "Candle Factory" you build in a year, and no more. And this is just the level of small business. A PLANT, which is a serious industrial enterprise, will require at least 2-3 years before the start of full-fledged production. This is in the presence of stable and sickly funding.
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - I don’t understand .. Who should return what? Nobody owes anything to anyone .. The plant borrowed from the bank, paid the bank.

            That's it .. on this and they catch us. Not a plant borrowed from the bank! The factory did not exist yet! And the bank was occupied by a certain businessman who decided to build this plant. This businessman will spend the borrowed money for the construction of the above 3 years, while simultaneously seeking (? !!) additional funds to pay the bank - because there is no factory yet! - and the bank requires a stable repayment of the loan!
            Thus, by the time the plant is launched, the unfortunate businessman will already give 160 bucks (in your calculation), having received nothing in return. If he cannot pay off during this time, he will give the lion's share of the plant’s profit to repay the loan .. which will automatically go over the hill. So much for the negative balance: borrowed money still does not bring profit - but leaves the country with interest ..
            By the time the plant reaches freedom from credit, the businessman will be “poor” - that is, with a plant having a certain cost much less than the amount of the loan, with a certain depreciation of equipment, and an “empty” bank account. To return the money invested in the plant, the businessman will need another 5 years of stable work!
            A total of 8-10 years, from the moment of taking a loan to the return on investment .. and here is the need to modernize production on the nose.
            Now tell me: do you think there are a lot of such idiots among businessmen who are ready to invest in this way? It is much more interesting to build some kind of feed mill - and make a profit in a month!
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 28 September 2015 02: 45 New
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            If the state invests in construction - the same profit from the oil industry, for example - it does not lose anything, but at the same time increases the value of its own assets, because the plant remains in state ownership, starts to make a profit, provides jobs and closes a certain part of the country's needs for their products. Thus, GDP is growing, and the value of the national currency is growing - since it is provided with an additional asset in the form of a working large enterprise.
            Somehow wink
  • foma2028
    foma2028 26 September 2015 19: 01 New
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    Products on our market can be divided into, for example, five categories:
    1. CLEAN IMPORT: Brand, assembly, accessories - West / China.
    2. GRAY IMPORT, the so-called. screwdriver assembly: Brand - West / China, assembly - Russia / CIS, components - China.
    3. PSEUDO OUR: Brand - Russia / CIS, assembly, components - China.
    4. OUR GRAY: Brand - Russia / CIS, assembly - Russia / CIS, components - China.
    5. WHITE OUR: Brand, assembly, accessories - Russia / CIS.

    The market is filled with the first three categories. Fourth and fifth less.
    But the important question is whether our people are ready to buy ours. I judge by my friends, it’s easier for people to buy someone else’s, as shops are inundated with imports. No one is steaming, to whom the main thing is cheaper, to someone of better quality. I'm trying to buy our meat grinder, juicer, drill. I consciously take it, even if it will be a little more expensive, but I am pleased that my ruble gives work to our person.
    But you have to "sweat" online stores with our goods less, delivery from afar, resp. more expensive and longer. But the most important thing is how to find out where ours is, taking into account these categories.
    Who will say where it is done, whose components are purely rumored and rare information on the Internet. The same Interskol spread to the 3 and 4 categories and can be a little fifth, for some instruments.
    No one forces us to drive a VAZ if there is money for a foreign car, nor does anyone require a professional to work with a tool that does not suit him.
    But an ordinary Russian who drills a puncher, grinds meat and squeezes juice at best once or twice a month, and maybe he must buy ours.
    Look at the Yandex market how many positions there are among our products. - out of stock.
    What often lies behind these words is that either the factory is no longer there or the production of goods has ceased.
    this is my opus
  • serge siberian
    serge siberian 26 September 2015 19: 29 New
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    guys! I work for 9years ("shurik", "perf" and "grinder"), only the batteries need to be changed now and the rest is plowed in finish with 5 with a plus. Interskol is a household tool that will not withstand such loads !!!
    but about Skolkovo and other state-owned corporations, they are only digging up money, the results are not yet visible.
    machine tools and machines will be produced only when steelworkers are allowed to tool and other brands began to melt !!!
    and bureaucrats will work under oath, and not for a lot of money from taxpayers !!!
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 September 2015 03: 54 New
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      Quote: Serge Siberian
      steelworkers will be allowed tool and other grades began to melt

      And no one forbade the steelworkers .. melt, sell .. come and take it (clickable):
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 26 September 2015 20: 20 New
    +1
    I carefully read the comments somehow more understandably than on TV. And I'm all talking about food. About a year ago, on TV it was about raising birds in the Stavropol and Krasnodar Territories. Shelf life 45 days. how I dreamed of bringing them to us. And it happened! These birds are now always! What a joy! What birds! I’m afraid to call them by name so as not to jinx them. For the sake of these birds it’s worth to break off all relations with Europe forever! My eternal respect for the homeland of these birds!
  • marshes
    marshes 26 September 2015 20: 47 New
    +3
    I became interested in the products of INTERSKOL. The fir-trees of the color stick in plastic like the Chinese KROWN. Yes and they look similar.
    I went to the shed and took a picture.
    This is UGShM Interskol

    I bought a Chinese in 2005 for $ 30
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 26 September 2015 21: 29 New
    +2
    In Russia, they produce a lot of things ... with the level of the size of budgetary financial flows, officials could really help domestic producers ... the police on Toyota, the "guardian fathers" on the Mercians somehow do not convincingly look in patriotic appeals ... and not we must bashfully look around at the WTO, they are stifling us with sanctions without looking at these three letters ... we can give a good answer to the German automakers ...
  • Justme
    Justme 26 September 2015 22: 06 New
    +3
    Of course, I would like to see more practical results - BUT ..
    Our classic enterprises .., research institutes .., design bureaus ... - these are also those "flowers"

    Overstretching and excessive layering in structures are typical for them.
    - management
    - technical design and competence ...
    Since the system is "oversized" by human ballast, a multilayer tangle of selfish interests arises there, which has its own specificity and uniqueness of opportunities for each level ...
    The system of selection and promotion is a topic for a big discussion ... You can only notice that the average "specialist" does not tend to maintain his theoretical level at the highest possible level and "soar" over integrals, differentials, operational calculus, Laplace, Fourier, Z- transformations .. The average public doesn’t particularly like the “white crow”, and the top is usually wildly jealous, proud (and prudent (!))
    The situation with engineering is a bit simpler ... But without a theory and professionally performed R&D, many good efforts turn into another something ... that either dies right away or lives - it really does not live, and die - it does not die.

    The idea of ​​modern managers is very famous and famous - "Let's bet on the young!" ..
    "Here we take young promising Bobiks, .. harness them to the team .., and, .. gallop gallop" ...
    It should be noted here if it is necessary to arrange a "smoke yoke" and a full trahodrome in the workshop - no one except young Bobiks has better cope with this task so far ..
    Although .. How many perverts are wandering around us (both figuratively ... and literally). Some even enjoy it ...

    But what about all the same to the top of the enterprise management ...? How do they see the movement to ..?
    So I worked in the 2000s at OJSC SKB Turbochargers ...
    The top is a single harmonious group ... They proved to be one in many all kinds of "leprosy."
    They even received a conditional criminal record for organizing a smuggling channel as a single cohesive group ..
  • BlackDragon
    BlackDragon 27 September 2015 01: 18 New
    +1
    How is import substitution in Russia

    Great, Chinese suppliers are satisfied laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 September 2015 13: 48 New
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      No longer, their products have risen significantly in price in Russia.