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It is difficult to be a raw materials appendage

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A couple of weeks ago, Minister Ulyukayev and his subordinates from the Ministry of Economic Development "worsened" the scenario of Russia's socio-economic development up to 2018 of the year. The Ministry of Economic Development predicted the average cost of a barrel of oil in the fourth quarter of 2015 in the 38,7 dollar. Realizing the dependence of the country's economy on the oil “needle,” after the Ministry of Economic Development, the Ministry of Finance also issued a forecast. Minister Siluanov also talks about oil. According to the “stressful” macro prediction, in 2016, 30-35 dollars will be given for a barrel of “black gold”. It seems that the bad habit of sitting on a barrel of oil has led the Russian authorities to the darkest pessimism.


It is difficult to be a raw materials appendage


Recall that September 10 became aware of the revision of the scenario of the socio-economic development of the Russian Federation before the 2018 year. "The Ministry of Economic Development has revised downward the scenario of the country's socio-economic development before 2018," she wrote that day. "Russian newspaper". - The final version of the “Basic Parameters of the Forecast of the Socio-Economic Development of the Russian Federation for 2016-2018” was sent to the government. ”

The article "RG" indicated that Russia's GDP in the 2016 year will grow only by 0,9% instead of the previously planned 1,8%. The reason for this will be low oil prices.

In fact, this forecast recognized the strong dependence of the Russian economy on trade in raw materials and on world prices for these raw materials. According to the forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development, the average cost of a barrel of oil in the fourth quarter of 2015 will be 38,7 dollars.

RG noted that cheapening oil creates major risks for the Russian economy. Budget expenditures will be reduced.

Why did Mr. Ulyukayev and his subordinates decide to revise the forecasts? Probably, they still took into account one well-known law from economic theory - the law of supply and demand. Having studied the market analytics, the experts clutched at their bright minds: after all, the world's oil supply almost tripled exceeds demand! And this is not to mention the fact that traders expect Iranian oil on the market as well.

September 21 appeared news from the "parallel" economic ministry - the Ministry of Finance. There, too, made a forecast.

The government is currently discussing a negative scenario of falling oil prices in 2016. According to this macro prediction, the price for a “barrel” of oil will be 30-35 dollars. It turns out that at September 11, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov, at a meeting with Dmitry Medvedev, suggested preparing a stress scenario for the 2016 forecast for the year based on these numbers. About it RBC told two senior government officials, whose names are not called.

At the same meeting, sources said, other assessments were voiced: Economy Minister Alexei Ulyukayev said that the negative scenario suggests a price not lower than 40 dollars per barrel, a representative of the Central Bank announced the forecast in 35 dollars per barrel. At the same meeting, the Prime Minister agreed on the need to develop a stress scenario based on $ 35-40 per barrel.

And one more, the so-called baseline scenario, according to which you will need to calculate the budget. It differs from the two ministries: the Ministry of Economic Development believes that in 2016, the average annual price of oil will be 50 dollars per barrel, the Ministry of Finance - that 45 dollars per barrel.

At the meeting with the Prime Minister, said the source "RBC", Siluanov called the two priorities of fiscal policy: it is to save by the end of 2018, the reserve fund of at least 2 trillion. rub. and reducing the budget deficit by 1 pp GDP per year. Priorities have changed: the reserve fund is supposed not to touch. But where to get the money? The Ministry of Finance proposed to take them from the oil industry. “The fiscal rule that prevented this from happening (reserves would have to be spent first) for 2016 will be canceled a year,” reminds RBC, “last week the government submitted a bill to the State Duma. It is proposed to change the formula for calculating the mineral extraction tax in favor of the state so that additional budget revenues in 2016 will be 609 billion rubles. ” Quote from "RBC":

“With the current tax calculation system, the state takes in the form of MET and export tax from 35% with low oil prices (below $ 40 per barrel) to 48% (above $ 110) revenue, follows from the materials of the Ministry of Finance. If the formula is adjusted, tax exemptions will be 45-47% of the revenue at any oil price. ”


The coming low price of oil (“not for long”) is predicted by other government officials.

Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich, noted "Arguments and Facts", allowed oil prices to drop to the 30-35 dollar per barrel. “The price may drop to 30-35 dollars per barrel for a short time. In the same way, it can grow to 100 dollars per barrel - the probability is the same. But, more likely, based on all the factors, the price of oil will remain in the range from 50 to 70 dollars per barrel and fluctuate within these limits, sometimes going for them if we talk about the next three years, "he said on the air of the TV channel" Russia 24.

It seems that now only those who think that the Russian economy and the trade in “black gold” do not have a relationship are not talking about oil.

The long life of Russia in the form of a “raw materials appendage” of the West has led to the fact that the budget is constantly being made up taking into account world oil prices. Oil becomes cheaper - the budget is thinning, oil becomes more expensive - there is a surplus in the budget, and money goes to the reserve fund.

It is not surprising that under current conditions, Minister Siluanov spoke of large government loans.

"Next year, we have a significant amount of borrowing provided for by the federal budget - 1 trillion rubles," the magazine quotes the minister. "Expert". The official also explained that retirement savings "just could be used as a source of investments in securities that will be issued by the government." According to him, "this is a reliable investment, it brings a good yield above inflation, somewhere plus 1,5-2%."

This was reported by Siluanov at the “Donguzsky” training ground in the Orenburg region, where a meeting of the military-industrial commission was held. The Minister noted that the final decision on pension savings in the 2016 year can be made before the end of September. These savings, in his opinion, “can bring to the budget of the next year up to 350 billion rubles,” which will prove to be “a good help for financing the budget deficit”.

It is also known about another statement by Siluanov, which he made a few days earlier, speaking in the State Duma.

The minister criticized the policy of creating financial reserves in previous years. In his opinion, deductions to reserves during times of high oil prices were insufficient. According to the official, this is one of the reasons for the current sharp fluctuations in the foreign exchange market.

“It is obvious that the amount of savings [in the Reserve Fund and the National Welfare Fund] is significantly lower than necessary, this amount of savings we can spend in a year or two. The less we sent funds to the Reserve Fund, the more it affected the strength of the ruble in the "fat years", this led to the economy becoming less competitive ", - quotes him "Lenta.ru".

The very policy of creating reserves was correct, the minister noted. It allows at the moment to pass the crisis years less painfully.

Further, Mr. Siluanov brought down criticism on those deputies that during the meeting negatively responded about Alexei Kudrin, who at one time defended the idea of ​​accumulating funds in the fund. “If we hadn’t done this, we would have had to cut federal budget spending and cut it alive in the current year,” Siluanov said.

In parallel, the crisis is baking the Russian “oil industry” itself.

Speaking at a conference on the development of the Arctic, the deputy director of the department of the Ministry of Energy, Alexander Yerkov, said that by 2025, the developers of the Russian shelf may face a shortage of about twenty floating drilling rigs. He described the task of eliminating the deficit as a “big challenge”, facing the domestic shipbuilding industry. He further noted reports RIA News"that while in Russia not a single floating drilling rig is being built.

Perhaps Russia will be saved by import substitution, which is so much talked about in the government? Experts doubt. At least in the short term, there is no need to wait for salvation.

The materials of the Ministry of Energy, which quotes "Independent newspaper"it is reported that by the year 2020, the shortage of spare parts for drilling platforms could be more than 150 thousand units per year. Analogs of foreign equipment in Russia are practically not produced, notes the Ministry of Energy. Example: on the Prirazlomnaya Arctic platform, the share of Russian equipment is less than 10%. And according to the data mentioned by Yerkov, in geological exploration on the shelf, the share of Russian equipment is now less than 1%! According to experts, it is impossible to organize full import substitution of offshore equipment in a reasonable time. In this regard, it is necessary to revise the plans for the development of the shelf and recognize the high probability of a significant drop in hydrocarbon production in Russia in the medium term.

And then there is the planned additional tax burden on the oil industry (see above).

Here, however, it will be useful to recall that the ruble in Russia was greatly devalued, which provided oilmen with comfortable business conditions. But because of the low price of oil, their tax rates have decreased. Good profit. At least, experts do not talk about losses. It turns out that the Ministry of Finance did not take its tax idea from the ceiling. On the other hand, we must wait for the crying of raw material top managers. There is a “third” side: oil companies will invest even less in the development of the industry, which in itself will lead to a reduction in hydrocarbon production. In addition, the sanctions deprived the oil industry of the opportunity to obtain favorable loans in the West.

"The tax burden of oil companies has really decreased due to the weakening of the ruble," said "Free Press" Dmitry Abzalov, President of the Center for Strategic Communications. - Oilmen receive revenues in dollars, and production is paid in rubles. However, I would not exaggerate the effect of “devaluation profit”. If only because the oilmen buy a significant part of the service equipment for the currency. Moreover, the overall situation of the industry has recently deteriorated: anti-Russian sanctions made it difficult for oil companies to access external financing, so they have to invest in their own funds for most projects. In this situation, of course, a lot of money does not happen. ”

However, the expert believes that the situation requires that oil revenues be invested in social obligations. If a social sphere "collapses in the country," the cabinet of ministers "will no longer be able to save the oil companies." In addition, the preservation of the Reserve Fund and the National Wealth Fund is also “the right priority”.

“That is why,” said the expert, “I believe that an increase in taxation in the oil industry will still occur. The only question is in what format it will be done. ”

While experts make gloomy predictions and guess at the coffee grounds, we will make a number of the most simple journalistic conclusions. They, too, will not be fun.

First, there is a strong dependence of the Russian economy on world oil prices. And this is the saddest fact. Old fact.

Secondly, there is another dependence: Russia, no matter how sad it may be to admit, has turned into a raw materials appendage of the West, and depends largely on this West itself. Import substitution is empty words for now. For many years the country was sitting on a barrel of oil, buying equipment and technologies “over the hill” and taking loans there. And now the time has come for sanctions, and instantly there were problems everywhere. They affect today; they will affect and in the future.

Thirdly, in the coming years, the government will resort to large loans in order to carry out “social projects” (the number has already been announced - a trillion rubles). The budget is likely to be “reduced” with a chronic deficit, as in Yeltsin's memorable years.

Fourthly, in the medium term, the crisis will hit the oil industry, which is still very little, but fills the budget. If sanctions continue in the coming years, the oil industry will suffer further due to equipment failure: there will be an acute shortage of foreign components.

As a result, a few years later, somewhere in the 2020 year, our half-blind government will finally make out those disadvantages of the trade-raw model of "development" of the economy, which Russian financial officials and oil and gas top managers continue to focus on today.
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  1. slizhov
    slizhov 23 September 2015 05: 40 New
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    Ulyukaev settled quite well.
    His last name is a direct correspondence to the statements. In the morning, he says one thing, within 2 hours something changes on the exchanges, declares how Zhirinovsky is the opposite ... :)
    I still can’t understand why such predictors are needed for our president?
    Ah ... I guess!
    What a long time to fool our enemies, however ...!
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 23 September 2015 06: 03 New
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      Ulyukaev, like Channel 1, embellishes the situation, doesn’t talk about the bad, and when it becomes visible to everyone, his face is brick-and about something else, but in the same way: embellishing, not speaking ...
      ps
      I still can’t understand why such predictors are needed for our president?
      - He is not a fortuneteller for the president, but a RELAXER for the population.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 23 September 2015 06: 15 New
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        Yes, yet: it is not difficult to be a raw materials appendage, but very easy. The difficulty is to be this appendage, but to want and demand, and even behave, like a country with a developed industry and industry.
        1. SibSlavRus
          SibSlavRus 23 September 2015 08: 37 New
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          "... RG noted that cheaper oil poses major risks to the Russian economy."

          The main risks for the Russian economy were and are being created by the very existence of “our” (?) Economic bloc of the Government.
          They look like Russian people in form, but in content ..., the devil knows! But incompetence and mediocrity on the face. It’s not even worth talking about foresight - there aren’t such competent, but really worthy and smart people in it, they’re afraid of letting them go into power, because they will have to answer many questions.
          Is it really possible (by tradition, or what?) To properly replace incompetent officials? Or is it a national game to force events and put out the fire?

          It is extremely unpleasant when, due to population, commerce covers its costs, as with the prices of gasoline and energy carriers (which are all dragging themselves behind). Really until they really start to hammer, then they will not calm down. The habit of impunity and permissiveness, however.
          1. anip
            anip 23 September 2015 09: 14 New
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            Quote: SibSlavRus
            Is it really possible (by tradition, or what?) To properly replace incompetent officials?

            Then you have to start with the guarantor, you need to change it.
            1. BMW
              BMW 23 September 2015 09: 46 New
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              Quote: anip
              Then you have to start with the guarantor, you need to change it.


              It is high time, the third term is superfluous, and the fourth should not be.
              On the third day after the election, everything began to rise in price. AI-92 gasoline for 1,9 rubles, bread for 4 rubles, I have not looked closely at the rest, but in a month I think that everything will go up in price.
              Thank you very much UNITED RUSSIA for the "happy" childhood of our children. External pests are not needed, there are enough of them. Where to export them?
              "Respect and respect" to all those who voted for eds felts, felts who will analyze them there.
              1. GDP
                GDP 23 September 2015 10: 30 New
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                it is necessary to start with the guarantor, it must be changed

                AI-92 gasoline for 1,9 rubles, bread for 4 rubles, I haven’t looked at the rest yet, but in a month I think that everything will go up in price. Thank you very much UNITED RUSSIA


                What did you want? Crimea back back, and do not care with a high bell tower on our sworn friends from the west?
                This is a payment for our independent policy, and at the same time it seems to me not so big.
                Would you like to return Crimea? Pay ... Or immediately substitute the hump for the western master ...

                Personally, I prefer to pay. If only the government made the right conclusions, and then industrialization for 25 years as you want, not in words but in action, to see ...
                1. aleks_29296
                  aleks_29296 23 September 2015 10: 48 New
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                  Personally, I also prefer to pay, but I want everyone to pay in proportion to their income. Strange things are happening in the country - oil in the world market has fallen in price, and for mere mortals, gasoline is only getting more expensive.
                2. anip
                  anip 23 September 2015 11: 14 New
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                  Quote: GDP
                  Personally, I prefer to pay.

                  The whole point is that if the money was invested not in moronic stabilization funds, but in industry, then you would not have to pay at all, well, or much less.

                  Quote: GDP
                  If only the government made the right conclusions

                  But did it draw the correct conclusions? So, of course, the conclusions were drawn: "you give more oil." In the meantime, "you give no more oil," then you need to raise prices for everything.
                  1. Don
                    Don 23 September 2015 15: 25 New
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                    Quote: anip
                    The whole point is that if money were invested not in moronic stabilization funds, but in industry,

                    What do you mean by that? And stabilization funds are just a very good and necessary thing.
                  2. Tambov Wolf
                    Tambov Wolf 23 September 2015 18: 16 New
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                    You shouldn’t be so on stabilization funds. And what will we support America, if not by them. As the US guys are speculators, "our" Central Bank starts a "multi-way", throwing stabilization funds to the counter, speculators buy and go to their homeland in the USA. goes to buy treasury. And then they borrow, there’s nothing to pay "patam shta pensions". Here we work for our enemy with the highest blessing (praises every time and issues orders).
                    1. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 23 September 2015 22: 12 New
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                      Tambov Wolf.

                      Yes global look.

                      I will explain my assumption.

                      What is world evil? Banking system. Why? It is designed in such a way that it kills production by pumping consumer finance into itself while not being a consumer. With a frequency of 20-30 years, you need to reset debts and resume production.

                      How to do it. Two major world wars have already happened. It's time to make a new one. The process was launched, it is a liberal project. What is the result? Degradation of all states on all issues. Good? Poorly.

                      What if you do not create a war? Agree. How?

                      1. You need to be considered equal.
                      2. It is necessary to identify those with whom such issues are being addressed.
                      3. Need to find common ground and weigh the situation and agree.
                      4. It is necessary to bring the situation to full recovery. Remove the old banking system and install a new one. Those. zero percent. Ban trade in derivatives. Well, and a couple of things.

                      In a strange way, a man of not royal blood appears on the scene. Not belonging to the planetary clan structure. So to speak. May it be our luck with you.

                      GDP, restored the country? Restored. Point 1. Completed. Obviously.
                      Point 2. Found. Partners. Fulfilled.
                      Point 3. Almost fulfilled. Almost agreed. Small strokes remained. There is a work in progress. China helps by all means.
                      Work is underway on the principle that you don’t know-scientists, you can’t force them.

                      Outward signs. Point 3. Yuan demanded to get into global circulation. Syrian refugees in Europe. Europe requires its gold reserves.

                      Point 4. Will be associated with a general decline in living standards. They will share and take away. There may be brief but tough conflicts.

                      Why GDP?

                      Because such a huge potential of trust that he has collected so far has not had a single leader in history. Maybe I. Stalin had. But GDP has every chance to argue with Stalin.

                      Why does not GDP revive the Russian Federation to a high standard of living, as did I. Stalin?

                      Because the time has not come yet. If paragraphs 3 and 4 are not fulfilled, then as a result of the nationalization of the Russian bank, GDP will lose a huge part of the potential for trust and, as a result, a global war can be the last.
                      The banking system must be changed and it must be changed globally, and not locally, as I. Stalin did.

                      Here is what I have to tell you.

                      Believe me do not trust anyone.
                      1. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 23 September 2015 23: 06 New
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                        Quote: gladcu2
                        What is world evil? Banking system
                        Capitalism.

                        Why?
                        Because the necessary condition for capitalist (market) relations is the constant expansion of the market. And since this is impossible, the only way to solve the problem is war.

                        The process was launched, this is a liberal project
                        Today, behind the abusive word, "liberalism," stands capitalism, using non-viable liberalism as a mask.

                        What if you do not create a war?
                        Do not allow lagging countries to create their own production, thereby turning their domestic market into their own market (in this case, the peak of the crisis can be delayed for some time), or move from capitalist to socialist relations.

                        In a strange way, a man of not royal blood appears on the scene. Non planetary clan structure
                        And in general, from another universe - from the one where planetary clan structures exist (though he is a faithful follower of Sobchak, a colleague and protege of Chubais and Yeltsin's protege, but we will omit this)

                        May it be our luck with you
                        Abramovich, are you ?! Didn’t admit - you’ll be rich ...

                        GDP, restored the country?
                        No - it was not destroyed (the rest is nonsense of the same quality as the planetary clan structure)

                        Why GDP?
                        Because without this prominent figure, the blinders of the population could fall from their eyes, and the Tryndets could fall on the oligarchy.
                        In the meantime, he is - great and the potential for trust, based on the PR of non-existent achievements.

                        But GDP has every chance to argue with Stalin
                        Already arguing:
                        Stalin - "To destroy crises, it is necessary to destroy capitalism"
                        Putin - "Russia will remain a liberal market economy"

                        Why does not GDP revive the Russian Federation to a high standard of living, as did I. Stalin?
                        Because there is no such purpose, and the ruling class is not the proletariat (as during Stalin), but the bourgeoisie.

                        If paragraphs 3 and 4 are not met, then as a result of the nationalization of the bank of the Russian Federation
                        The Bank of the Russian Federation will remain the Central Bank of the State of the Russian Federation - a state institution with a special status that equates it with the federal government body.

                        Trust me don't trust anyone
                        Kill the wall with a run smile
                      2. gladcu2
                        gladcu2 24 September 2015 00: 54 New
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                        Uncle Joe

                        What are you trolling?

                        No one denies that capitalism is not a perfect system. Moreover, this is already a completed stage. History has long shown the advantage of socialism. You can come to socialism with the help of state capitalism, all means of production belong to the state, people. You can come with measures to strengthen the state’s control over private enterprise, over private capital. No redistribution of property.

                        But at the head and top of the modern world order is not a perfect banking system. With persistent periodicity, destruction occurs.

                        The question is whether to correct or reboot the global system.

                        You that there are few examples of countries whom they declared terrorists and came to democratize.

                        Now all the leaders, absolutely all countries are working on this issue. Something needs to be done with this. How much can these wars endure.
                      3. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 01: 58 New
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                        Quote: gladcu2
                        What are you trolling?
                        No smile

                        No one denies that capitalism is not a perfect system.
                        Imperfect for what purpose?

                        You can come to socialism with the help of state capitalism.
                        Only subject to the abolition of private ownership of funds pr-va.

                        You can come with measures to strengthen the state’s control over private enterprise, over private capital. No redistribution of property
                        It is impossible - the ruling class will remain the same, and the state will continue to work in its interests.
                        At the output, we get corporatism, similar to Germanism, of the period 30-40.

                        But at the head and top of the modern world order is not a perfect banking system. With persistent periodicity, destruction occurs.
                        What is characteristic of capitalism as such is regardless of who is at the top.

                        The question is whether to correct or reboot the global system.
                        In its destruction.

                        You that there are few examples of countries whom they declared terrorists and came to democratize
                        In your opinion these are examples of what?

                        Now all the leaders, absolutely all countries are working
                        Into your pocket.

                        How much can you endure these wars
                        Will have to endure until then, until you manage to destroy the capitalist system.
                      4. Azzzwer
                        Azzzwer 25 September 2015 14: 52 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        until it succeeds in destroying the capitalist system.
                        hi
                    2. Azzzwer
                      Azzzwer 25 September 2015 14: 48 New
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                      Quote: gladcu2
                      all means of production belong to the state and people.
                      are you sick on your head? what state? Bourgeois. it means everything belongs only to a narrow layer - the bourgeoisie.
                  3. Azzzwer
                    Azzzwer 25 September 2015 14: 46 New
                    0
                    The right course go comrade!
                3. Azzzwer
                  Azzzwer 25 September 2015 14: 31 New
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                  Quote: gladcu2
                  But GDP has every chance to argue with Stalin.
                  laughing rzhunimagu. Are you serious?
                4. Azzzwer
                  Azzzwer 25 September 2015 14: 33 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Azzzwer
                  What is world evil?
                  World evil is capitalism. The banking system is only a private component of this system.
          2. veksha50
            veksha50 23 September 2015 11: 42 New
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            Quote: GDP
            If only the government made the right conclusions,



            "Our" - the government - will not make any - right - for - state and people - conclusions - will not ...

            At least - the existing one ...
            1. Kuzyakin15
              Kuzyakin15 23 September 2015 19: 45 New
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              Quote: veksha50
              Quote: GDP
              If only the government made the right conclusions,



              "Our" - the government - will not make any - right - for - state and people - conclusions - will not ...

              At least - the existing one ...

              Swami comrade agrees to all the service stations!
              Especially about the present.
              In another state, already under such situevina, more than once would have changed. And we have ... in the eyes, and they are all God's dew.
          3. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 23 September 2015 12: 39 New
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            Quote: GDP
            Would you like to return Crimea? Pay ... Or immediately substitute the hump for the western master ...

            What is the relationship?
            Those. You say that either the World Cup or substitute the hump. You are the real fruit of propaganda.
            And you are too lazy to think about the fact that the population was robbed in the 91st, then during privatization, then when the laws on subsoil, on forests and waters, on taxation, on monetization, etc. were adopted. and continue to rob.
            Quote: GDP
            Personally, I prefer to pay.

            like, "endure the Imperials krymzhenyash."
            Stop fooling around, start thinking with your own head and not with a duroscope, otherwise this government will be "eternal"
            1. GDP
              GDP 23 September 2015 13: 38 New
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              When in 91 they robbed the country, I did not yell out of euphoria like some that we finally became Europe, but called things by our names and never once voted for Yeltsin, Putin or EP.

              When Putin and Medvedev gave a huge piece of the Barents Sea with gas deposits to the Norwegians, a piece of Dagestan to the Azerbaijanis, a strategic island to the Chinese. I also yelled to the whole country about not justice ....

              But now everything has changed. Putin has really done something important for the country to the detriment of including its economic interests.
              And so I will support him this time ... And I won’t shout how I live with two entities and a candidate for 16000 rubles ...

              Putin returned Our Crimea! and for the sake of it it is worth to be patient.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 23 September 2015 14: 43 New
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                GDP.
                Actually, the conversation is about the failed financial and economic policy of the Russian Federation and it is very strange that you, as a deeply educated person, begin to repeat and repeat Crimean mantras.
                I asked you what is the relationship between the economic policies of Naibalin, Ulyukaev, the lady and others with the Crimea.
                And what are you going to endure? State embezzlement? Adoption of anti-people’s laws? Increase in retirement age? Vasilyeva rebound? Raw materials economy?
                Suffer if you want, only with Crimea here.
                But you are trying to distort, claiming "Our Crimea" and thereby justifying the government and the economy block. in their ugly politics.
                And as for the Crimea, so it was, is and will be ours !!! with or without GDP.
                1. GDP
                  GDP 23 September 2015 17: 29 New
                  -4
                  If you and I lived in an ideal world, then I would also say after you - WHILE ?!
                  But the government and officials are different people with different points of view, and our country is a very complex region in the economic, political and interethnic aspects. This is a huge clumsy colossus with a huge amount of expenses and difficulties that other countries do not have - while it is also socially oriented, which dramatically reduces maneuvers. All these aspects are interconnected ...

                  When the USSR collapsed, we were left without arms and legs. And the then incompetent government began to frantically search for prostheses abroad, integrating our country into the world economy. The current isolation is a consequence of our independent policy and a new pulling out of our arms and legs. And a radical change in the situation requires radical measures that our population may not take. On our site 90% - ultra patriots and people are already starting to complain ...

                  Therefore, a new Stalin who will hang thieves and sharply cut incomes in the name of industrialization, justice and a brighter future is, in principle, impossible. The people will not accept him. Putin is forced to rely in his policy on those who are, including thieves, villains and close bureaucrats, sometimes on purpose, sometimes inadvertently. The president, he cannot be aware of everything, he can only set the vector ...

                  Now we are breaking down various kinds of connections, but finally it is clear that the whole vector is correct, unfortunately it is not ideal, for example, lending to banks and large corporations at the expense of our income, but apparently there is no other way out yet. All this oligarchy has become part of the state, and without killing the patient this disease cannot yet be cured.
                2. Kuzyakin15
                  Kuzyakin15 23 September 2015 20: 02 New
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                  GDP:
                  And why do you affirm for the WHOLE people that you will not accept the new Stalin? Why do you express an opinion for the whole nation. Most of it may be. But part of the population also dreams of a “firm ruler." Something like this.
                3. Andrey NM
                  Andrey NM 24 September 2015 07: 50 New
                  +1
                  Tough responsibility for failures in work is very good. But there is another side to the medal of the "Stalinist" model. Six million denunciations of their neighbors, colleagues, etc. who wrote? Yes, and they themselves wrote. Some of stupidity, some of envy. Remember how Khrushchev asked him to raise a plan for spies and enemies of the people? How not to go too far in this matter and not fall to the level of "Glory, Kay !!!" (Remember, “Men in Black”, when the booth was opened there and the little men shouted slogans). But there is nowhere to go with these guys, it’s time to give a knee under one place if we want to develop production.
                4. Azzzwer
                  Azzzwer 25 September 2015 15: 01 New
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                  Quote: Andrew NM
                  if we want to develop production

                  Production can only be developed under socialism. The bourgeoisie is not interested in this. Otherwise, she will not have profit
                5. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 25 September 2015 15: 06 New
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                  Quote: Azzzwer
                  Production can only be developed under socialism. The bourgeoisie is not interested in this. Otherwise she will not have profit

                  Explain this deep thought, you are welcome.

                  Please take into account that, for example, in the same Germany (Japan, ...) - there is capitalism in life.

                  Compare the "production" of Germany and the Russian Federation, we think .. then we write something ..
            2. GDP
              GDP 24 September 2015 12: 02 New
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              And why do you affirm for the WHOLE people that you will not accept the new Stalin?


              Yes, look at yourself ...
              a year ago, shouting, you give Crimea, you give Donbass and Putin well done!
              And now, as soon as prices fell together howled down with Putin ...
              You want to get the gingerbread, but you don’t have to pay for it.

              Putin’s relatively soft policy is not able to endure, but what can we say about the harsh policies of Stalin?

              I’d just have stood like a man brought up in the USSR and unable to adapt to a new society, but you don’t ...
            3. Azzzwer
              Azzzwer 25 September 2015 15: 02 New
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              Quote: GDP
              Yes, look at yourself ...
              a year ago, shouting, you give Crimea, you give Donbass and Putin well done!

              point finger with your finger who shouted?
        2. Azzzwer
          Azzzwer 25 September 2015 14: 59 New
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          Quote: GDP
          The president, he cannot be aware of everything, he can only set the vector.
          vector for the welfare of the bourgeoisie and the oligarchy !!!
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    3. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 23 September 2015 14: 54 New
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      Quote: GDP
      But now everything has changed
      The thief donated to the temple, which means he is no longer a thief, but a respected person laughing

      Putin returned Our Crimea!
      Whose is ours?

      In general, comments with the algorithm "I used to be against Putin, but now that he is (apparently alone) returned the Crimea (as options - delivered a Munich speech, replaced the head of the Central Bank, tore up the enslaving PSAs wassat, etc.) I changed my mind and will support him I've been online for about 5 years.

      Finally, change the training manual - this is already boring.
      1. GDP
        GDP 24 September 2015 12: 55 New
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        Finally, change the training manual

        I looked through about a hundred of your comments and realized that you are working on a training manual ...
        What are you doing Mr. Uncle Joe?
        To split a society, to raise a revolution? Collide the Communist Party and the EP once with the opposition parties did not work ?. What country do you live in?
        You, an ardent Communist and Stalinist under Stalin, would be the first thing to determine where you should be and would be right at 100%.
      2. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 13: 08 New
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        Quote: GDP
        Split society
        Society has long been split into thieves and robbed, and thieves are constantly singing about some kind of unity, and you sing along to them.

        to raise a revolution?
        laughing Do you know the meaning of the term “revolution”, or in your mind revolution = civil war?

        under Stalin, the first step would be to determine where it should be and be 100% right.
        If I spoke on the side and in the interests of thieves, as you are doing now, I would certainly be right.
      3. GDP
        GDP 24 September 2015 14: 15 New
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        Are you aware of the meaning of the term "revolution"

        I know. A revolution translated from Latin means a coup.
        Have you heard anything about bloodless coups in power? I am not, at least not in our country ...
        And in vain you hope our people to come up with such thoughts, they have already sipped these revolutions so much that for several generations we’ll not be enough ...
        Society has long been split into thieves and robbed, and thieves are constantly singing about some kind of unity, and you sing along to them.

        If thieves express smart thoughts, why would I not agree with them. Unity is what our country needs ...
        If I spoke on the side and in the interests of thieves, as you are doing now, I would certainly be right.

        firstly, I do not stand on the side of thieves, I am on the side of the state and against chaos. The elements of the Goebels propoganda no longer work with us - it’s strange to hear this from you because you are a new type - a smarter troll, see how many minuses you have put to me - you are doing everything right, but here is such a puncture ... why move away from the training manual?
        secondly, with all due respect to Comrade Stalin, calls for the overthrow of legitimate authority would have ended very badly, even if you had pointed out the real shortcomings of the leader.
      4. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 15: 14 New
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        Quote: GDP
        means coup
        This is one way of translating a word, not the meaning of a term.
        Revolution - (from late Lat. Revolutio - turn - coup), deep qualitative changes in development any phenomena of nature, society or knowledge (e.g., a social revolution, as well as a geological, industrial, scientific, technical, cultural revolution, revolution in physics, in philosophy, etc.)

        Have you heard anything about bloodless coups in power?
        February and October in Russia (blood began to pour when trying to counter-revolution), In Libya in 1969, in Iceland in 2010.

        already sipped these revolutions
        You have already been taken and turned into a patient.

        In general, it’s ridiculous to hear from someone who is supposedly ready to suffer for the country that he drank something there - such a contradiction clearly shows that the “sufferer” is a liar, most of all shaking for his personal well-being, and that he wanted to spit on everyone else.

        If thieves make smart thoughts, why don't I agree with them
        Really laughing
        It remains only to find out - how the degree of intelligence was determined, in order to realize whose interests these thoughts are expressed, and whether there are "maaaaaalyusenky" such distortions in half with the substitution of concepts ...

        Unity is what our country needs
        By unity is meant non-resistance to evil, and such unity is necessary exclusively by thieves.

        firstly, I do not stand on the side of thieves, I am on the side of the state and against chaos
        The state is a political system, the Russian Federation is a capitalist state, capitalism is legalized theft.



        Elements of the Goebels propaganda no longer work with us
        And therefore, comrades who are on the side of the state, at some point began enthusiastically repeating the phrase “national traitor” for Putin, which was first encountered in Hitler’s “mine kampf” ...
        No, it’s not for nothing that Vladimir Vladimirovich called Goebbels a talented person - the current leadership of the Russian Federation uses a lot of his achievements.

        it is strange to hear from you because you are a new type - a more intelligent troll
        But it’s completely not strange for me to hear accusations of trolling, but the receiver is already hackneyed and is not rolling.

        calls for the overthrow of legitimate authority
        The only appeal that can be found in my comments is a call for legality, a call for full compliance with the constitution.

        But you really spit on the law, trying to dodge and justify the crime.
      5. GDP
        GDP 24 September 2015 15: 53 New
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        I have already seen this picture, which you constantly replicate in your comments. this is the first thing that made me think.

        You at least change the training manual. I carefully studied your comments. And the first thing I noticed was repetition ...

        Tell me honestly, how did you manage to write more comments for 4 months than I have for 6 years? Despite the fact that every day I hang on this site ....

        You have original tricks, it’s clear that the person is not stupid, but doesn’t go to the dialogue, but stupidly scribbles slogans from the training manual ... There can only be one explanation - Troll.

        + how do you do it - it seems to be in the name of justice, and I agree with you on almost all points, but what in the end? As a result, you sow panic, try to rock the people, set them against the current government, hiding behind the communist slogans "to the ground, and then" "giving the bourgeoisie", "giving the revolution."

        And most importantly, such a slogan appeared in time, just in the era of the total confrontation between Russia and the West, just like in the 17 year. But then it seems to Lenin that Germany paid, and now who?
      6. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 19: 30 New
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        Quote: GDP
        I already saw this picture
        But he is not able to refute the promise, for it is true.

        I carefully studied your comments. And the first thing I noticed was the repetition
        My position is unchanged, as well as examples illustrating it (as well as your pulling an owl on the globe in an attempt to present the abnormal as normal)

        Tell me honestly, how did you manage to write more comments in 4 months than I did in 6 years?
        Hands. The comment that I am writing at the moment is on the 23rd thread (I haven’t posted on other threads today, because I haven’t read any articles or comments)

        stupidly scribbling slogans from manuals
        Examples of slogans, please.

        There can only be one explanation - Troll
        Search the web for the meaning of this concept.

        it seems to be in the name of justice, and I agree with you on almost all points, but what in the end? As a result, you are sowing panic, trying to rock people, to incite the current government
        And again you contradict yourself.
        On the one hand, it seems that you recognize my innocence (and it is difficult not to admit it - how many cancer-affected generals, do not notice anyone, committed suicide in the last 2 years in a social state Russia because of the inability to get pain medication?), And your friend is somehow worried about the well-being of the current government, whose actions are the cause of meaningless deaths, which I gave as an example.

        You, by your abutment against situevina with Crimea (from which neither the bulk of the Russians nor the majority of Crimeans have won), what do you want to say? That a maniac who kills children, but who saved his neighbors, with whom he has good relations, who has fallen into the ice hole (for whom he has far-reaching plans), should be justified in all respects, for one act of dubious motivation can interrupt the general tendency?

        "to the foundation, and then" "distant to the bourgeoisie," "give the revolution."
        Exactly. Moreover, "to the foundation" it is the world of violence - the capitalist system, the state, and not the country. Are you against

        And the main thing is how in time such a slogan appeared, just in the era of the total confrontation between Russia and the West
        Italy - a member of NATO since 1949, a member of the EU.

        24.07.2014 Italy has proposed an additional package of sanctions against Russia, which will be presented to the ambassadors of the EU countries.
        http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1157216

        17.08.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Press Secretary of the President Dmitry Peskov told RBC that he is resting in Sicily (Italy) and does not rent a yacht there. “Renting a hotel,” he said.
        http://top.rbc.ru/politics/17/08/2015/55d20b229a7947ef6074e1b6

        What do you call the confrontation between capitalist Russia and the capitalist West? laughing

        But it seems to Lenin that Germany paid then
        If Germany paid Lenin, expressly declaring the goal in the form of a world socialist revolution, then the Germans are imbeciles.
        Are they imbeciles?
      7. GDP
        GDP 25 September 2015 09: 35 New
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        "authorities whose actions are the cause of meaningless deaths,"

        "on situevina with Crimea (from which neither the bulk of the Russians nor the majority of Crimeans won

        "maniac killing children"

        "Italy has been a NATO member since 1949, a member of the EU.
        24.07.2014 Italy has proposed an additional package of sanctions against Russia, which will be presented to the ambassadors of the EU countries.

        Wai wai wai !!! Schoch then smelled ridin krajina! laughing
        How can you get pierced like that?
        Better write these comments to the censor - there are very often fighters against the evil Putin who eats children and heaps up rotting Russia with coffins ...

        Wipe the tear from the eyes of the daughter of the Crimean officer ...

        In general, you need to Echo Moscow - there is a special serpentarium for people like you created ...
      8. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 25 September 2015 10: 02 New
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        Quote: GDP
        the smell of ridin krajina!
        The drain is counted.

        In general, you need to Echo Moscow
        Owned by Gazprom laughing

        This is a diagnosis.

        Putin: “Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, along with the new Russia, has gone through a difficult but necessary transformation. He has led the process of radical changes that have led Russia out of the impasse. Russia has received a rebirth. It has become a civilized open state, and the role of the first president in the formation of this state is huge.
        It was at this time that Russia was born open and thinking about people, democratic institutions were formed, the Russian Constitution was adopted, which proclaimed the highest value of human rights and freedom. "
        http://top.rbc.ru/society/01/02/2011/536637.shtml

        Putin: "The death of Yegor Timurovich Gaidar is a bereavement for Russia, for all of us. There is no true citizen and patriot, a strong-minded person, a talented scientist, writer and practitioner."
        http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=331463&tid=75735

        Putin: “Chubais and his associates made many mistakes in the 90s, but they managed to radically change the structure of the economy. I believe that he and a number of people who worked with him then, of course, made many mistakes. And a certain image formed, but someone had to do what they did. They changed the whole structure of the Russian economy and essentially changed the pace of development. "
        http://vz.ru/news/2013/4/25/630312.html

        And then with a partner who heads the junta, which is no longer a junta
  2. Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 25 September 2015 15: 23 New
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    Quote: GDP
    And the main thing is how in time such a slogan appeared, just in the era of the total confrontation between Russia and the West

    to be honest, somehow I ... us to confront "your" Russia and their West. For me, the main thing is that some kind of “successor” does nothing, lives off of my work, and for some reason I work for its benefit, for some reason I have to 12 hours 6 days a week.
  3. GDP
    GDP 25 September 2015 15: 41 New
    0
    to be honest, somehow I ... us to confront "your" Russia and their West. For me, the main thing is that some kind of “successor” does nothing, lives off of my work, and for some reason I work for its benefit, for some reason I have to 12 hours 6 days a week.

    It's time to look for a house on Mars. There are no such countries on earth now.

    In addition, those who do nothing - do not earn much, here both efficiency and grasp and greed and cunning should all be together.

    I saw such comrades whom the parental money fell on their heads. in two three years they managed to squander everything - shops, gas stations, restaurants, blocks of shares ...

    Another thing is that the state can exercise control over the ratio of citizens' incomes and the profits of enterprises — progressive taxes, for example, or the receipt of interest on profits. But then we will have socialism - a good thing, I personally am for it, but then foreign capital will then flow from Russia. China is a socialist state, but has raised its economy to the mass exploitation of its citizens by foreign bourgeois. It is the exploitation of workers for a penny that attracts investment and foreign capital.
    And now Russia cannot create a closed autonomous economy, we don’t have the power that the USSR had - then there was a chance ...
  4. Cat man null
    Cat man null 25 September 2015 16: 32 New
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    Quote: Azzzwer
    I work for her benefit for some reason I have to 12 hours 6 days a week

    Where is it so? belay
  5. Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 25 September 2015 15: 15 New
    -1
    Quote: Uncle Joe
    But you really spit on the law, trying to dodge and justify the crime.

    Right comrade! Crush this petty-bourgeois counter!
  6. Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 25 September 2015 15: 10 New
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    Quote: GDP
    firstly, I do not stand on the side of thieves, I am on the side of the state and against chaos
    in general, as they said, there are only two classes - the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. And if you are not for one class, then it will be for another. There is no other way!
  7. Cat man null
    Cat man null 25 September 2015 15: 19 New
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    Quote: Azzzwer
    there are only two classes - the bourgeoisie and the proletariat

    Um .. but I have a friend - a programmer, with a salary under 4 of kolobaks .. who is he - a bourgeois, or a proletarian? wink

    Quote: Azzzwer
    if you are not for one class, then it will be for another

    I, you know, for no one ... I am for the fact that there is no big mess. Because I've seen enough of what all kinds of "ideas" lead, by nature, not in books.

    And the one who tries to arrange this mess, I will crush - with all my small forces.

    Be it the bourgeoisie, the proletariat or the Anunahs with Nibiru.

    Voooot .. yes
  8. GDP
    GDP 25 September 2015 15: 20 New
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    Scientists, teachers, doctors, lawyers, writers - to which class belong?
    To the proletariat or to the bourgeoisie?
  9. Cat man null
    Cat man null 25 September 2015 16: 30 New
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    Quote: GDP
    Scientists, teachers, doctors, lawyers, writers - to which class belong?

    SchA will answer us, exactly according to the textbook, that this is not a class, but a "layer" ..

    Rjunimagu in anticipation laughing
  10. GDP
    GDP 25 September 2015 16: 54 New
    0
    If I remember Karl Marx correctly, (read in a distant youth), then he distinguished several classes:
    2 antagonistic (bourgeois and proletariat) and intermediate classes - artisans and small traders, intelligentsia, etc ....

    That is already more than two ...
  11. Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 25 September 2015 15: 03 New
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    Quote: GDP
    spring communist

    interesting, and there are winter communists? laughing
  12. GDP
    GDP 25 September 2015 15: 22 New
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    There are communists whose children fly away to warm countries in winter ...
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 September 2015 15: 06 New
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    Putin returned Our Crimea! and for the sake of it it is worth to be patient.
    Do you know the history of the geography of your native country well? Why rejoice only in the Crimea? Then let him return Kharkov to Odessa. And what historical period should be taken as a basis? Let him return Mensk, Erivan, Tiflis, Kulyab ...
    1. GDP
      GDP 23 September 2015 17: 35 New
      -3
      I must say thank you, that at least in the Crimea it was enough to return political will ...
      And in Kharkov and Odessa - a little strength.
      We are not alone in this sandbox ....
  • Kuzyakin15
    Kuzyakin15 23 September 2015 19: 55 New
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    GDP:
    And here Krymnash? If the prime minister, the head of the Central Bank and the Ministry of Economic Development is liquid ... about ... (I apologize for the rudeness of the members of the forum) You are not the only patriot on the site. We are all ready to endure sanctions, but not the stupidity and lack of professionalism of officials from the economy. Gaidar is not enough people?
    If they had even a drop of dignity, they themselves would have resigned before the New Year 15, along with the prime minister. After all, it is the prime minister who is responsible for the economy and domestic policy of the state. Or is it wrong?
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 25 September 2015 14: 56 New
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    Quote: GDP
    Putin returned Our Crimea!

    Did he return this Crimea to you, stupid? Our Crimea will be when it is Soviet!
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 25 September 2015 15: 11 New
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      Quote: Azzzwer
      Our Crimea will be when it is Soviet!

      You just said that under the Soviet system (USSR) Crimea was “more yours” than it is now.

      Could you explain what this "more yours" expressed in?

      Thank you.
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  • Robinzon57
    Robinzon57 23 September 2015 13: 36 New
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    Quote: GDP
    Would you like to return Crimea? Pay ... Or immediately substitute the hump for the western master ...

    Probably, while we are ready to pay, but DOKOLS look at meaningless forecasts instead of real plans for modernization, attempts to raise the retirement age instead of introducing a progressive tax scale, etc. Increasing prices for gas, gasoline, electricity instead of introducing energy saving and putting things in order in the sales system. Our government is cardboard. And tired of enduring this theater of the absurd. And you can endure when there is hope.
    1. Dimitr
      Dimitr 23 September 2015 14: 35 New
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      [quote = Robinzon57] [quote = GDP] Our government is cardboard. And tired of enduring this theater of the absurd. And you can endure when there is hope. [/ Quote]
      Suggest something worthwhile to get out of this situation! Patience is gone - what's next? Tell us how you will implement real plans for modernization, introduce energy conservation and put things in order in the sales area, and add from myself - to establish taxation, put in place the legislative framework, and restore agriculture and industry. And please, a plan for the near future, we will not wait 15-20 years! am
      1. Don
        Don 23 September 2015 15: 29 New
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        Quote: Dimitr
        Tell us how you will implement real plans for modernization, introduce energy conservation and put things in order in the sales area, and add from myself - to establish taxation, put in place the legislative framework, and restore agriculture and industry. And please, the plan for the near future, we will not wait 15-20 years

        That's right. There are enough critics, but no one has a real plan.
        1. Kuzyakin15
          Kuzyakin15 23 September 2015 20: 10 New
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          Don:
          First of all, corruption and corruption. Only a matter of struggle and not in words. Destroy nepotism and remove fellow friends from power. Sack incompetent officials.
          Enough for a start?
          You demanded offers.
        2. Don
          Don 24 September 2015 08: 42 New
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          Quote: Kuzyakin15
          First of all, corruption and corruption. Only a matter of struggle and not in words. Destroy nepotism and remove fellow friends from power. Sack incompetent officials.
          Enough for a start?
          You demanded offers.

          Fine. In words.
          1. More than one country has not yet completely destroyed corruption, even with the help of executions.
          2. Cronyism is good to destroy when you are not a major official. I’m almost sure that you would be a major official, just as you would put friends, brothers and matchmakers in fish places. Or where to find that person who would not put?
          3. How do you determine the competence of an official? And where in his place to take a competent?
    2. Robinzon57
      Robinzon57 23 September 2015 16: 28 New
      +7
      Quote: Dimitr
      Suggest something worthwhile to get out of this situation!

      Almost any engineer and some economists (not a lawyer) can draw up a plan for the development of production (read Glazyev). An example - Great Britain under Thatcher - when they faced the same problem in the 80s, the state began to build the necessary enterprises, bring them to profitability, and then sell to private owners. New money was opened for the proceeds. Although, if you think well, you will understand that the WORLD, and in particular in our future, can only have a socialist future - and there is nothing to be embarrassed about by the liberals.
  • GDP
    GDP 23 September 2015 17: 47 New
    -8
    agree
    There are plans - there is no modernization. In the same skolkovo how much money was stolen

    Yes, they will raise the pension fund above the mortality rate for men - Bullshit!

    Yes, we have more money from our population for oil and gas than from foreigners. So, we have more expenses than in Germany or England. Russia has always become great on the hump of its people - remember this ... This is a fact, you can either measure it or look for another country.
    But the state also gives us a lot, for example, imagine how much treatment and education would cost you in the same Germany ...

    The government is flesh from flesh - our society with 10-20 summer delay, those very children that you are now raising in your family and which our parents raised.

    You need to start with your family, and then looking into the eyes of your children you can ask a question - do we have hope.
    And in one fell swoop, you won’t change the world, whoever was in power wouldn’t be able to, and they won’t give ....
    1. Robinzon57
      Robinzon57 23 September 2015 18: 23 New
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      Quote: GDP
      GDP (1)

      Well, a very masochistic position! So you need to sit on the fifth point and wait for the iPhone to dawn? The position of the citizen must be active. It's not about the Maidan, but about the people's will! You can live in a pigsty in Moscow, make calls and wait for the collective farm to come and repair. And you can repair it yourself. I am for the second way. And in my family everything is fine, "it's a shame for the state."
      1. GDP
        GDP 24 September 2015 12: 09 New
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        I do not urge sits on the fifth point, criticism should be constructive. Criticizing - propose a solution to the question.

        But yell
        "everything was gone down with Putin’s come on the Maidan"
        - I am personally against this and against those who call for it. I don’t see a real alternative yet.
    2. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 23 September 2015 20: 15 New
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      GDP:
      Have you been treated in a free clinic for a long time? Just not Moscow, but?
      With our current health care, you don’t know whether it’s better to be treated or die right away. And then it’s too expensive.
      1. GDP
        GDP 24 September 2015 12: 11 New
        0
        I am a man from the province and I and all my relatives were treated in free clinics and hospitals and always successfully. For which I am grateful to those doctors who cured me and my loved ones ...
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 25 September 2015 15: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Robinzon57
    DOCKS

    as long as capitalism in the country
  • Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 23 September 2015 14: 35 New
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    Quote: GDP
    What did you want? Crimea back back, and do not care with a high bell tower on our sworn friends from the west?
    Of course. And not only do not care, but also periodically weigh them.

    And this would be possible if the country had been creating a system working for the interests of society in the last 15 years (strictly speaking, in this case, Crimea would not have to be returned, since Ukraine wouldn’t sail away, but would do exactly the opposite, which means South Stream would not be necessary)

    This is a fee for our independent policy.
    For a policy independent of Russian society, the interests of the majority and the constitution.

    For politics, the essence of which is perfectly expressed by Putin's words - "... I want to emphasize once again and say: there will be no return to the past. Russia will remain a liberal market economy. Today I want to repeat once again: we will consistently continue the line of encouraging private initiative, of integration into the world economy ..."
    http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=317679

    Would you like to return Crimea?
    Hiding behind the Crimea is like hiding behind a woman. negative

    If only the government made the right conclusions, otherwise industrialization has already been wanted for 25 years, as you wish, not in words but in action ...
    Indeed - if only a jerk with experience understood that killing is bad ... wassat
    1. GDP
      GDP 23 September 2015 17: 52 New
      -6
      Can you suggest another president?
      Are you able to find people who can change the system?
      I do not ... For not having the best, I am satisfied with what is ...

      Or can we arrange a new maidan and bring to power some unknown dark horse? I honestly somehow do not burn with the desire to sew for soap to change ...

      But at the expense of criticism I agree - it is necessary to criticize, but it would not be bad to add suggestions for solving problems to criticism ...
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 23 September 2015 18: 29 New
        +6
        Interestingly, you argue as a minister or who Mutko is there. Where will we recruit football players for you? We’ll buy blacks. Do we have more people in the country? Let’s put the same Shoigu and see what happens. But if Kadyrova (I’ve put things in order, not like in Dagestan), then all the liberals will go to Magadan. Yes, a lot of great people, and they tell us that we will die, if, what.
      2. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 23 September 2015 20: 50 New
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        Quote: GDP
        Can you suggest another president?
        Of course I can - Ivan Ivanov, at least 35 years old, permanently residing in the Russian Federation for at least 10 years.

        However, what does my ability to propose candidates for a post, the need for which is at least a debatable issue, have to do with the fifteen-year-old unconstitutional actions of the current leadership, infringing on the interests of the majority, worsening the position of the majority, and leading the country along the path of degradation?

        Are you able to find people who can change the system?
        Of course in a condition. These people will be граждане Russian Federation, refused to endure lawlessness, and began to assert their rights.
        If you are interested in parliamentary parties that are able to change the system, then the opportunist Communist Party is currently such a party (not fully meeting the aspirations of society, but capable of at least improving the current situation).

        For not having the best, I am satisfied with what is ...
        Position of an unprincipled fit - you have something to be proud of laughing

        Lenin said well about this position: "No one is guilty if he was born a slave; but a slave who not only eschews the desire for his freedom, but justifies and embellishes his slavery, such a slave is a legitimate feeling of indignation, contempt and loathing."

        Or can we arrange a new maidan and bring to power some unknown dark horse? I honestly somehow do not burn with the desire to sew for soap to change ...
        And that’s normal for a fittz.
        However, not the color of the horse is important, but the presence of a clamp and reins in the hands of society.

        By the way - and the current dark horse, which miraculously circumvented the 2000 election, seems to have pulled the country out of default of Primakov, and which has plowed in the interests of big capital for the last 15 years, doesn’t it bother you?

        only suggestions for solving problems to criticism would be nice to add ...
        So they offer you - get rid of illusions, but you are in no hurry to implement this proposal in practice.
        Instead, you come up with an excuse for a crime.
        1. GDP
          GDP 24 September 2015 11: 56 New
          0
          Communist Party? The Lord is with you ... This party has not decided anything for a long time ...
          It consists mainly of two categories of people:
          1 bigwigs including shadow business
          2 corrupt politicians, such as those whose fault the USSR collapsed

          There are almost no ideological people there, at least among those who decide something. They change their color regularly passing from one party to another.

          I prefer to see such communists in the Duma - there is their place (let them create socially oriented laws. So they don’t do it even now!), and not like the reins of government.
        2. GDP
          GDP 24 September 2015 12: 30 New
          +1
          Can you suggest another president?

          Of course I can - Ivan Ivanov, at least 35 years old, permanently residing in the Russian Federation for at least 10 years.

          This is the answer of a person who is not responsible for his words ... Anyone from the street will not fit - they will eat him ...
          Position of an unprincipled fit - you have something to be proud of

          Adherents are those who benefit for themselves at the expense of others, but on the contrary, I am ready to endure hardship for the sake of the country ...
          By the way - and the current dark horse, which miraculously circumvented the 2000 election, seems to have pulled the country out of default of Primakov, and which has plowed in the interests of big capital for the last 15 years, doesn’t it bother you?

          I was always embarrassed - therefore, I always voted against him for the Communist Party and urged everyone to do it, but this year I will do the opposite.
          Not only because of the Crimea, but also because of the policies of the Communist Party itself, which in recent years has been studied a little better. At least I know what to expect from GDP, but I'm not sure about the Communist Party ...
          get rid of illusions

          I never had any illusions, I never believed in a good and just Putin, no matter what the president was, his environment makes his policy, and among them there are a lot of thieves and swindlers. However, lately I have seen changes in the policy of our state - the first insecure independent steps - for me it is a signal in the presidential election (if they certainly decide something) I will tell the president - comrades are on the right path, and I’ll say in the elections to the Duma that your laws and their implementation do not suit me ...
          In general, compare Yeltsin with Putin-one field of berry, only the taste is different ...
        3. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 13: 51 New
          0
          Quote: GDP
          This party has not solved anything for a long time
          Yes - thanks to the TV and comrades like you who watch this TV.

          It consists mainly of two categories of people
          And these 2 categories on May 07.05.10, XNUMX put to the vote the question of an appeal to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who was officially the head of the United Russia at that time, about the possibility of suspending the adoption of US children by Russian citizens.
          But the faction led by Putin EP failed to vote.
          http://vote.duma.gov.ru/vote/69025

          And only then, at the end of the 12th year, in response to the Magnitsky Act, this initiative was realized, and opportunists like you once again joyfully sang about good Putin, who stopped selling Russian children in the United States, and 2 bad categories people from the Communist Party.

          Let socially oriented laws create. So they don’t do it even now!
          You are already quite fool?
          It’s not enough to create a law - it needs to be passed through the State Duma and the Federation Council, and there, thanks to people like you, the vast majority of the EP, whose antisocial projects are targeted by Putin.
        4. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 14: 16 New
          -1
          Quote: GDP
          Anyone from the street will not fit - they will eat him
          Leave these wretched abstractions for personal use.

          The president can be any capable citizen of the Russian Federation, over 35 years old, permanently residing in the territory of the Russian Federation for at least 10 years.
          The president must be a capable citizen who impeccably complies with the requirements of the 4th chapter of the constitution.

          Adherents are those who profit for themselves at the expense of others, but on the contrary, I am ready to endure hardships for the sake of the country
          No - you are adapting to the existing situation, even in your mind afraid to recognize the abnormality and harmfulness of this situation.
          And you adapt at the expense of others - at the expense of those who are worse off than you, and at the expense of future generations who will be worse off than you.

          No need to hide behind the country - the country does not need your patience.
          A country is a territory within natural and political borders, with a population living in this territory, and a specific political system (state) that always works in the interests of the ruling class (in the Russian Federation the bourgeoisie is the ruling class).

          and this year I’ll do the opposite
          Old song in a new way.

          However, lately I see changes in the policy of our state - the first insecure independent steps
          Caused not by an independent decision to go, but by a kick in the ass laughing

          I’ll tell the president - comrades, the right way
          Tell me - the thief will be grateful to you lol

          Putin: “In the context of the acute crisis, many enterprises raised the question of completely transferring their business to the state, were ready and even suggested it ourselves. We didn’t take this path, we chose a different path - we put our shoulder on the business and built a whole support system, but we’ve not taken the path of nationalization of the economy. This is a fundamental choice of the government "
          http://archive.government.ru/special/docs/14934/

          Putin: “We must think what to do, how to build our own policy. Of course, we will act in the logic of a market economy”
          http://www.rg.ru/2015/01/21/putin-ekonomika-site.html


          In general, compare Yeltsin with Putin - one field has a berry, only the taste is different
          Putin is a sober, sober Yeltsin.

          Putin: “Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, along with the new Russia, has gone through a difficult but necessary transformation. He has led the process of radical changes that have led Russia out of the impasse. Russia has received a rebirth. It has become a civilized open state, and the role of the first president in the formation of this state is huge.
          It was at this time that Russia was born open and thinking about people, democratic institutions were formed, the Russian Constitution was adopted, which proclaimed the highest value of human rights and freedom. "
          http://top.rbc.ru/society/01/02/2011/536637.shtml
        5. Cat man null
          Cat man null 24 September 2015 14: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Uncle Joe
          The president can be any capable citizen of the Russian Federation, older than 35 years, permanently residing in the territory of the Russian Federation for at least 10 years

          Uncle Joe, do you live in Russia? wink And you obviously have more 35?

          Let’s say you were elected President .. you do not have your own team, there is nothing, in general .. just now you are the President of the Russian Federation.

          Three times guess how long you will live after that? This is provided that you survived the moment when you were chosen yes

          Quote: Uncle Joe
          Putin is a sober, sober Yeltsin

          Ah ha ha! laughing

          "Author, burn escho" laughing
        6. GDP
          GDP 24 September 2015 15: 33 New
          +1
          In general, I am in favor of transferring certain industries to the state, which would be both correct and fair, especially since a significant part of the assets of the oligarchs was stolen from the people.
          However, as always, you think very narrowly, either accidentally, or on purpose, rather the second than the first ...

          What would I do if I were president of 5-10 years ago?
          - I would check for the cleanliness of obtaining capital and condemn one hundred percent of 9 of the 10 oligarchs, and return all their property to the state.

          However, now a huge part of our enterprises both in Russia and abroad, including those that we consider state-owned, are not wholly owned by our state ....

          There is a controlling stake in the state, a stake in domestic investors and a stake in foreign investors.
          These enterprises are mainly focused on the foreign market and are located not only in our country but also abroad. Let's imagine what will happen if we do as I wanted before:

          1 Investments will cease to flow into the country
          2 Capital from Russia will flow stormy rivers to the west
          3 The capital that is located abroad and joint ventures will be lost forever
          4 will be lost the foreign market with us no one else wants to do business.

          what will be the consequence? The impoverishment of the population, the collapse of production. Who will be blamed? - Me ....

          And then some kind of comrade like Yeltsin wants to live in the new old, and the people will support him, there will be a coup, then a new reform of the fledgling junta, of course clumsy and corrupt and hello new 90!
        7. Cat man null
          Cat man null 24 September 2015 15: 39 New
          0
          Quote: GDP
          .

          Stop stop

          The Uncle Joe question was intended, actually wink
      3. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 15: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Let’s say you were elected President .. you do not have your own team, there is nothing, in general .. just now you are the President of the Russian Federation.

        Three times guess how long you will live after that
        Firstly, it is much longer than a fighter on the front line, and with a much greater chance of survival.
        But for some reason you’re not interested in the life of a fighter, but the life of Putin, whose job costs are a certain, much lower compared to a car trip, risk, even very (why?)

        Secondly - where did you get the idea that there is no team? At least I have you and your purposeful primitiveness in your statements, no different from Zyuganov’s.

        So I would be more likely to leave my full biological term than the abstract plumber Vasya, who lives in modern Russia, his own.

        And thirdly, if you follow your wonderful logic that a president who goes against the ruling class will not live long, we will eventually come across a conclusion that clearly says that Putin works exclusively in the interests of the bourgeoisie and the oligarchy, which otherwise he would have long been dead smile

        You can continue to support Putin’s living and working in the interests of thief - you have already found an excuse for him laughing
      4. Cat man null
        Cat man null 24 September 2015 15: 52 New
        +1
        My applause

        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Firstly, it is much longer than a fighter on the front line, and with a much greater chance of survival

        Is not a fact..

        Quote: Uncle Joe
        for some reason you’re not interested in the life of a fighter, but Putin’s life

        Which fighter? Which Putin ?? Uncle Joe, I was interested in you, no more ..

        Are you all right there? And then I’m starting to worry .. such an interlocutor goes off .. into himself, practically .. sad

        Quote: Uncle Joe
        I have at least you

        Yes, where did you get that? I am a cat, walking on my own ..

        Quote: Uncle Joe
        we will eventually come across the conclusion that Putin works exclusively in the interests of the bourgeoisie and the oligarchy, that otherwise he would have long been dead

        Not certainly in that way. negative

        Putin works in some other, IMHO, interests. But at the same time I have to take into account the existence of the layers of society you mentioned.

        The word "exclusively" - far-fetched, let it go, it hurts him .. you pulled an owl yesterday already - still complaining ..

        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Can go on keep alive and working in the interests of the thief Fishing season

        Mdya .. the command starts to fail .. or spell checker laughing

        Urgently hire a couple more stunt doubles for Uncle Joe wink
      5. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 20: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Is not a fact
        http://pikabu.ru/story/anekdot_950486

        I was interested in you, no more
        I wrote about myself below.

        And then I'm starting to worry
        This is toxoplasmosis.

        Yes, where did you get that? I'm a cat, walking on my own
        Even very flexible gymnasts are unable to walk on their own - to scratch with a maximum behind the ear.

        They said you would vote for me? They said, and so they hit.
        And once they got there, the party said “it should”, Cat Man Null answered “yes” (a step to the left, a step to the right is equal to an attempt to escape and is punished with all severity)

        Not certainly in that way
        Totally.

        In general (we add a bit of correct cynicism), it would be interesting to look at you in a situation similar to Beslan or Nord Ost, when the guys from the anti-terrorist units who came to this work voluntarily refused to perform their functions to save your loved ones, explaining this is because in the performance of their official duties they may suffer.

        Putin works in some other, IMHO, interests. But at the same time I have to take into account the existence of the layers of society you mentioned
        It seemed to me that you are smarter, that primitivism and distortion is a banter.
        I made a mistake?

        you pulled an owl yesterday - still complains
        You seem to be infected with my turns of speech - take antibiotics (maybe it will help)
      6. Cat man null
        Cat man null 24 September 2015 20: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Blah blah blah..

        Mdya .. except for a couple of collisions and distortions - nothing .. regrettably .. request
      7. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 20: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        regrettably
        I'm sorry.
  • gladcu2
    gladcu2 23 September 2015 15: 39 New
    -6
    GDP

    Yes, how independent she is.

    The ruble is pegged to the dollar. Ruble emissions do not start. Since someone external prohibits doing this. Therefore, you have to sell something for dollars.
    If you have a state bank. Zero the percentage. Establish liquidity for banks 100%. Remove the liberal component from state regulatory bodies, through planned rotation and increased responsibility. Prohibit trading in securities obligations. And do not even need to organize the redistribution of property. And production will go up with increasing birth rates.

    But the problem is that the global banking system, which controls the global economy, is very problematic to restart. We need the direct consent of all interested parties and the correct distribution of losses. And to everything, this system still has a lot of inertia. Even if all the forces come to a joint decision to re-establish order, it will take many years.

    If tomorrow, GDP unilaterally begins to rebuild Russia. That world system will declare him an enemy and instead of taunting Europe, redirect all the anger to Russia.

    Must wait. GDP is already negotiated. The process has begun. If he does. That his name will cost ten Macedonian and ten Genghis Khan.

    Although I may be mistaken in my conclusions.

    And the article is nonsense. Lathering eyes.
    1. Robinzon57
      Robinzon57 23 September 2015 17: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: gladcu2
      gladcu2 (1)

      In short, nothing needs to be done, everything will resolve itself, the market will regulate production, and oil will rise in price and everything in chocolate? Many such optimists! Have you tried to work?
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 23 September 2015 17: 23 New
        -8
        Robinson

        Learn. Economics and politics. To be needed by your country, family, lover and most importantly on time.

        Now it is possible and necessary only to support GDP. We will ruin everything. It doesn’t. The planet cranes.
        1. Robinzon57
          Robinzon57 23 September 2015 18: 49 New
          +7
          Quote: gladcu2
          gladcu2

          Of course, you know better for a scientist, so share what you know with the dark - what is the resolution, and why does it interfere with restoring order in the "civilian" economy? You are probably spinning in such high spheres that you know something important. But we plebeians do not understand that in this situation not only to do, but also to think is impossible.
    2. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 23 September 2015 18: 38 New
      +5
      It’s far from Putin to Genghis Khan. He won the half of the world, didn’t steal from his people (instant sashim), he built the Horde, paid half the world tax to him, but a lot of things, consider the Mongol nomadic Empire built. And Putin? You cannot remove thieves (your don’t give up), Crimea fell from the sky, and runs away from Donbass. And still we pay tribute to America and Europe and repent of everything. If so cool, then WHY ...... Look at all these questions with the guys here, with Glazyev Kvachkova, you yourself know who.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 24 September 2015 01: 02 New
        0
        Tambov Wolf.

        Yes, I figuratively compare. It's just that GDP has a task of a different scale.

        The whole world with stubborn frequency someone multiplies by zero. It is necessary to understand, agree and redirect these efforts to creation. Now, if the GDP decides this, then honor and praise. And for this, the Russian Federation has already given the GDP enough political instruments.

        Glazyev generally engaged in half measures. He treats the effects. It is necessary to eliminate the cause.
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 25 September 2015 14: 26 New
    0
    Quote: GDP
    about industrialization for 25 years as you want, not in words, but in action to see ...

    Really so stupid?
  • zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 23 September 2015 11: 15 New
    +8
    It looks like the GDP and the iPhone government live in different planes that do not intersect. Not hearing people is the right way to 1917. Patience is not unlimited
    1. anip
      anip 23 September 2015 11: 17 New
      +9
      Quote: zoknyay82
      It looks like the GDP and the iPhone government live in different planes, which do not intersect.

      Yes, that's exactly the guarantor and DAM live on the same plane.

      Quote: zoknyay82
      Not hearing people is the right way to 1917. Patience is not unlimited.

      But with people they live in parallel universes.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 23 September 2015 17: 17 New
      -7
      zoknyay82

      Yes, GDP and Dimon, everyone understands perfectly. They would have raised the country, as Stalin did. But the time has not come yet.

      Here, remember the story.

      Stalin revived Russia, got a war.
      Could not revive it? No, I could not. Famine in Ukraine, famine in the Volga region. It was necessary to do this quickly. But it was necessary to do so in order to break Europe. He knew for sure that there would be a war and a time to catch, otherwise the country would die forever. He did it. The country won dearly but survived.

      Next is the cold war. The liberalism virus climbed into power structures. The collapse of the USSR. The new banking system in the country. Redistribution of property. The world banking system has received a huge portion of fresh air in the form of the possibility of lending to new property. The world received another 20 30 years of peace.

      Now the world banking system is again agonizing. Again a series of small wars. Which all the same is not enough for the system to live. Yes, and there is no one to give loans. Because the system does not allow the economy to recover and cannot change itself. It’s like a cancer that kills the victim itself.

      Someone puts GDP on the throne. Or its consequence of backstage wars. He is rising the country to an acceptable level. Revives the army. Gets recognized international authority. With the rights from his hands is a huge China with industry and human resources.

      GDP has never lied, has not betrayed anyone. He shows the man of the word with all his behavior. Who is he to you?

      He becomes an intermediary in solving the global banking problem. He becomes a world judge. What is he doing now. And the standard of living in Russia does not depend on the internal structure, but on the external situation.

      Therefore, we wait and observe and ask God for help.
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 23 September 2015 18: 46 New
        +5
        “But the time has not come yet.” Nasruddin remember. Or the padishah will die or the ass will die. And about the lies, where is the Russian World and where is the protection of the Russian population in Eastern Ukraine (the guarantor himself said that no one pulled his tongue), then there’s a lot to write it is possible, but I take what everyone knows.
      2. Robinzon57
        Robinzon57 23 September 2015 18: 58 New
        0
        Hope for God, but don’t be bad!
      3. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 23 September 2015 20: 23 New
        +1
        gladcu2:
        You, with your reasoning, remind the servants of Jehovah that they roam the streets and catch the “lost”
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 23 September 2015 22: 19 New
          -2
          Yes, I do not go to church, but life has made me a fatalist. Therefore, I believe in God in my own way.
      4. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 23 September 2015 21: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: gladcu2
        GDP has never lied, has not betrayed anyone. With all his behavior he shows a man the words
        laughing

        Section 82.1. Upon assuming office, the President of the Russian Federation takes the following oath to the people:

        "I swear in the exercise of the powers of the President of the Russian Federation respect and protect rights and freedom of man and citizen, observe and defend the Constitution The Russian Federation, to protect the sovereignty and independence, security and integrity of the state, faithfully serve the people".

        Article 2 A person, his rights and freedoms are the highest value. The recognition, observance and protection of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen is the duty of the state.

        Section 7.1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions ensuring a decent life and free human development.

        Article 18 The rights and freedoms of man and citizen are directly applicable. They determine the meaning, content and application of laws, the activities of the legislative and executive authorities, local self-government and are provided with justice.

        Article 19.1. All are equal before the law and the court.

        Article 55.1. The enumeration in the Constitution of the Russian Federation of fundamental rights and freedoms should not be construed as a denial or derogation of other universally recognized human and civil rights and freedoms.
        2. In Russian federation No laws should be enacted that abrogate or derogate the rights and freedoms of man and citizen.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 23 September 2015 22: 23 New
          0
          Uncle Joe

          If God is omnipotent, why cannot he create a stone that he cannot lift himself.

          So you demand from the GDP the impossible. What you have written there is a matter of tenth importance. First, the head must be cured, and then small cuts.
          1. Robinzon57
            Robinzon57 23 September 2015 22: 53 New
            0
            Quote: gladcu2
            gladcu2 (1

            The merits of real GDP are undeniable, but he should not lick something without thinking. It makes miscalculations in the economy - we see, we say, together we are looking for a reasonable solution. While the head is healed, gangrene will begin with sepsis.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 24 September 2015 00: 26 New
            0
            Robinson

            Nobody licks anything GDP.

            To explain his work to the masses is quite difficult. Only at a certain level above average, perhaps. For example, the VO audience is already quite prepared.
          3. Robinzon57
            Robinzon57 24 September 2015 00: 52 New
            0
            Quote: gladcu2
            gladcu2 (1)

            I agree with you! The work of GOD cannot be explained logically - therefore religion exists. It's time to open a church to them. Vladimir - according to your logic. And the audience of VO is a solid follower of this church!
            There is nothing concrete to say about the "razrulivaniya" of yours and Putin - why shake the air. So no one will believe you.
      5. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 23 September 2015 23: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: gladcu2
        If God is omnipotent, why cannot he create a stone that he cannot lift himself
        Apparently because it was invented.

        So you demand from GDP
        Presidential duties.

        What is written there
        It is a provision of the basic legal norm of a state, non-compliance with which is a criminal offense.

        First you need to cure your head
        Fact - I recommend haloperidol.
      6. Cat man null
        Cat man null 23 September 2015 23: 54 New
        -1
        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Quote: gladcu2
        So you demand from GDP
        Presidential duties

        It’s easy to demand ... maybe you’ll try it yourself?

        I will vote for you .. purely fun for laughing

        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Quote: gladcu2
        What is written there
        It is the provisions of the basic legal norm of the state, non-compliance with which is a criminal offense

        Is it true - criminal? belay

        By the way, I note that never these "norms" really worked .. historically, you know.

        Why would they take it right away - and make money?
      7. gladcu2
        gladcu2 24 September 2015 00: 14 New
        0
        Catmannull

        How do you imagine the possibility of implementing this law?

        Here to take come and shoot half of the violators? Can. Why not. It was not a bad result.

        But these are all half measures. And you need to start with the main thing. From what is called the world backstage. And for these people to give you a vote of confidence, you need to be like them. Since you can only agree with them. And you can agree with them on the terms of concessions and countermeasures. So you have to be both strong and at the same time weak.

        You understand correctly. It is possible to start industrialization under the Stalin project, but this means stepping on the same rake.

        GDP does its job. He is working on an alternative.
      8. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 00: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: gladcu2
        GDP does its job. He is working on an alternative.
        And personally, he reports to you about this being in his dreams laughing
      9. gladcu2
        gladcu2 24 September 2015 01: 10 New
        +1
        Uncle Joe

        I watch TV. I read analytics. And I came to this conclusion.

        If we talk about this to the general audience, there will be no understanding. You cannot enter until now. Although they brought a bunch of quotes from the classics. So the person is not ordinary.
      10. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 24 September 2015 01: 43 New
        0
        Quote: gladcu2
        I watch TV.

        if you continue to do this, then all the thought processes in you will cease to exist yes
      11. one
        one 24 September 2015 06: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Stroporez
        Quote: gladcu2
        I watch TV.

        if you continue to do this, then all the thought processes in you will cease to exist yes

        zombies are called.
        yes
        I'm interested in another question.
        how long can a person with broken causal relationships exist in a brutal capitalist society?
        it’s hard to break out of the clutches of the “god-kuzi”, various “witnesses”, etc.,
        but there are examples ... isolated.
        and is it possible, subsequently, a complete restoration of the psyche?
        recourse
        (had no purpose to offend anyone)
        hi
    3. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 02: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: gladcu2
      I watch TV. I read analytics. And came to this conclusion
      And the fact that in order to get this conclusion you pulled an owl onto a healthy globe and made immeasurably unfounded assumptions - you, the stump is clear, does not bother you.

      You still cannot enter
      I entered at the moment when I read about world evil, I realized that I entered correctly after reading about the planetary clan structure, and I confirmed that I entered correctly after reading about the nationalization of the Central Bank laughing
  • Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 00: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Demanding is easy
    Try using this argument in court.

    I will vote for you
    I know that.

    Is it true
    Ага.

    By the way, I note that never these "norms" really worked
    In the Russian Federation.

    Historically
    Bad dancer ...

    Why would they take it right away - and make money?
    Nothing - this is not in the interests of the ruling class and the oligarchy.
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 24 September 2015 06: 09 New
    -1
    Quote: Uncle Joe
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Demanding is easy
    Try using this argument in court.

    I will vote for you
    I know that.

    Is it true
    Ага.

    By the way, I note that never these "norms" really worked
    In the Russian Federation.

    Historically
    Bad dancer ...

    Why would they take it right away - and make money?
    Nothing - this is not in the interests of the ruling class and the oligarchy.

    Are you talking to yourself?

    Well, well wink
  • gladcu2
    gladcu2 24 September 2015 00: 21 New
    0
    Uncle Joe

    When I talked about the head, I meant that the cause should be treated, and not the consequences eliminated.

    Those laws can be changed or redone. You can plow the whole government and destroy the liberals. But that does not work.
    This is an already completed stage. Once it was all and back in the ass.

    GDP does work at a higher level. In the meantime, this work will not be done, then what you said should wait. Keyword, should.
  • Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 01: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: gladcu2
    I mean
    It does not matter.

    You pass off for real-life not that unsubstantiated speculation - you pass off for real-life delusional fantasies of the same order as Hubbard's “Dianetics”.

    And if you do it sincerely, then you need to treat the head. And if not sincerely, then conscience.


    Those laws can be changed or redone. You can plow the whole government and destroy the liberals. But that does not work.
    It works - after all "Once it was all", and in the ass returned because capitalism was not destroyed throughout the world.

    In particular, to ensure that this never comes back into the ass, the world socialist revolution is just needed.

    GDP does work at a higher level
    These are empty, unsupported mantras designed for weak heads, and sung in the interests of the bourgeoisie in general and the Russian oligarchy in particular.
  • gladcu2
    gladcu2 23 September 2015 22: 52 New
    -1
    Eee minus. You at least read to the end what I write. And then three lines read in the Libers wrote me down.

    What am I doing in vain before a major career.
  • veksha50
    veksha50 23 September 2015 11: 41 New
    +3
    Quote: bmw
    Where to export them?



    In Ukraine, everything is occupied by "guest workers" from the USA-Georgia-Baltic States ...

    Unless to the father, and hope that he will lead them there to the zero denominator ...
  • afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 23 September 2015 12: 07 New
    +3
    I bet with you that edro will gain 72 percent ..
  • fif21
    fif21 23 September 2015 13: 42 New
    -2
    Quote: bmw
    It is high time, the third term is superfluous, and the fourth should not be.
    Your mother! Maybe you have in mind the old Khotabych ?! We are all waiting for someone to develop industry and agriculture in Russia, so that this will not happen until there is a BENEFIT from development. A catastrophic few people who are able to engage in industrial business, agriculture. To expel friends and comrades-in-arms sitting in natural monopolies and government agencies from the grain places? They will not build plants and plow fields! They do not know how to do this. Everyone is waiting, when the state uses state money to build something, establish logistics, and then they’ll take their milk cows with their handles! There is no order to build factories and no one, and no one, we have managers, but there are no owners! The worst thing is that there are no people who want to become masters as a result of their work! There is a way out, I think there is a way out! Using a small pill, the state to build factories and factories, the form of ownership is stock, the state share is 50% +1 share, built-sold, the proceeds sent to the construction of new plants.
    1. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 23 September 2015 14: 41 New
      +5
      Why not, you can PRACTICALLY EVERYTHING! The main thing is to take the first step, disperse the guarantor, put the ardent liberals from the government, resources and enterprises into state property, tougher with all sorts of corrupt officials and thieves in the seats, demand for work in the official’s chair, and real , useful things-to encourage, but just for translating the arrows and changing the plates-to plant, Stalin-was able to raise the country from ruins, and GDP, could he bend his friends? For the sake of the state ??
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 24 September 2015 00: 33 New
        0
        kot28

        That's all you wrote to make it easy. And get the war at the end. Repeat all the Stalinist stages. Again, the system will become unstable.

        If the forces are at different poles, then only a conflict of forces leads to balance. But if you apply with a vector of one direction to one point, then you get a positive resonance. The confrontation will go into addition.

        Here is work on this. And it seems that there are already successes.
        1. kot28.ru
          kot28.ru 25 September 2015 13: 48 New
          0
          Thank you for your opinion, only about the war, who is against whom, please specify! hi
    2. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 23 September 2015 15: 04 New
      +8
      Quote: fif21
      There is a way out, I think there is a way out! Using a small pill, the state to build factories and factories, the form of ownership is stock, the state share is 50% +1 share, built-sold, the proceeds sent to the construction of new plants.
      In other words, to breed state-owned corporations working for the good of the country, not only in the fuel and energy complex, but everywhere laughing

      The crowding out and death of small and medium-sized farms is even more accelerated. The concentration and internationalization of capital is growing tremendously. Monopoly capitalism passes into state-monopoly capitalism, social regulation of production and distribution, due to the pressure of circumstances, is introduced in a number of countries, some of which are moving to universal labor service.
      While retaining private ownership of the means of production, all these steps to greater monopolization and more nationalization of production are inevitably accompanied by increased exploitation of the working masses, increased oppression, difficulty in repelling the exploiters, increased reaction and military despotism, and at the same time inevitably lead to an incredible increase in the profits of large capitalists at the expense of of all other sections of the population, to the enslavement of the working masses for many decades, a tribute to the capitalists in the form of paying billions in interest on loans. But the same conditions when abolishing private ownership of the means of production, when state power passes completely into the hands of the proletariat, are the key to the success of such a transformation of society that will destroy the exploitation of man by man and ensure the well-being of everyone
      V. Lenin t. 31 pp. 449-450
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 23 September 2015 22: 35 New
        -2
        Uncle Joe

        Yes, Lenin correctly described the situation.
        What solution did he propose? The global dictatorship of the proletariat. Heh, so can I. Easy. But since then nothing has happened. And why? Yes, because the system must be balanced. It is necessary to make sure that the wolves are full and the sheep are intact.

        What was the reason for the classics? Nothing. Well, what to do?

        An equal opportunity system. And from each according to his capabilities to each according to his work.

        Suppose my neighbor is rich enough. He drives an expensive car, walks in office clothes. I am a hard worker. I go in work clothes, I have not a bad but not a status car.
        Should I envy him?
        Yes, I’m my army. Because I have everything I need for life.

        So the system is in balance.
        1. BMW
          BMW 24 September 2015 05: 47 New
          0
          Quote: gladcu2
          It is necessary to make sure that the wolves are full and the sheep are intact.


          Stupidity, remember the school physics course. You are either a complete idiologist or the most ordinary demagogue. This in nature cannot be, someone must suffer. It’s impossible to agree with the wolves, you are talking nonsense.
    3. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 23 September 2015 20: 27 New
      0
      fif21:
      Respect to you. Exactly!
      To begin with, and it is there that the pros will appear. The main thing is not afraid to kick out those who do not want to work
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  • veksha50
    veksha50 23 September 2015 11: 39 New
    -1
    Quote: anip
    Then you need to start with the guarantor, it must be changed



    Let me ask you for the sake of interest: and to whom ???

    As you know, the king is played by a retinue ... Yes, and he reigns on the throne is not easy so, but with the help of invisible forces ...

    And who are you like in our, ugh, "establishment" of such saw, guardian and follower, spokesman for people's expectations ???
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 23 September 2015 20: 33 New
      +2
      veksha50
      Well, let's continue to vote for the GDPR, otherwise it will come even worse!
      But do not you think Russia has already slipped into the swamp, as the gentlemen of the Democrats say about Brezhnev’s rule.
      Only the current swamp is more marshy and smelly
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 23 September 2015 22: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        Well, let's continue to vote for the GDPR, otherwise it will come even worse!
        But do not you think Russia has already slipped into the swamp, as the gentlemen of the Democrats say about Brezhnev’s rule.
        Only the current swamp is more marshy and smelly



        STOP !!!

        I asked the question: who do we see on the throne ??? In future ??? He asked with interest - well, I’m interested in the opinion of a person who said: it’s time to change the guarantor ... Well ??? Once again I ask - WHO ??? I ht and not a young man, but my vision has not yet refused - and so, I do not see him point-blank !!!

        What angers: so many millions of people, and even the government did not have enough normal men ...
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 23 September 2015 22: 39 New
          -2
          Veksha

          Old people are not bad. But GDP has not yet completed its work. He needs to work another 15 years.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 23 September 2015 22: 51 New
            -1
            Quote: gladcu2
            . He needs to work another 15 years.

            Lord have mercy!
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 24 September 2015 02: 12 New
              0
              Sling cutter

              I understand your irony. But taking this opportunity I want to explain my point of view a little more, although I have already spoken out enough. But that's not the point.

              Let’s take a capricious child who is sitting at home and in spite of parents hammering in the mirror with a hammer. Dolbit often and hard and every time it becomes scary that the mirror will break.

              What does father do? Hits on the ass and picks up a hammer. It was figuratively done by I. Stalin. He did it right.

              But the juvenile squirrel found a hammer and began to hammer on a new one. Mother approached stroked regretted and said. Here is a rag for you to start rubbing glass. And it went.

              In our case, the mother is only looking for approaches. She regrets the baby becoming in his position. You can’t take a toy from him.

              But the look of the father from behind the mother ...

              So GDP already has some groundwork. It takes more time.

              Baby, this is the world banking system. Father, this is state capitalism. Stalin's classic. Mom is a liberal Putin's Russia.

              It is necessary to reassure the child and direct his energy towards creation.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 24 September 2015 02: 38 New
              -1
              Quote: gladcu2
              So GDP already has some groundwork. It takes more time.

              As Marxists, we must approach the crisis of power, not only with
              formal point of view, but, above all, from the point of view of the class. A crisis
              power is a tense, open struggle of classes for power.
              ("Speech at the emergency conference of the Petrograd organization" vol. 3
              p. 115.)

              If a crisis is a class struggle for power, then we, as Marxists, must
              raise the question: what class will rise to power now?
              ("Speech at the emergency conference of the Petrograd organization" vol. 3
              p. 117.)

              Comrades are in a hurry with the question of organizing power. But the authorities
              you haven't got it yet!
              The main task is to promote the need to overthrow the existing
              authorities. We are not yet sufficiently prepared for this. But we must prepare.
              It is necessary that the workers, peasants and soldiers understand that without overthrow
              the current government they will not get neither the will nor the land!
              So, the question is not about the organization of power, but about its overthrow, and when
              we will seize power in our own hands, we will be able to organize it.
              (Speeches at the Sixth Congress of the RSDLP (b) Vol. 3 p. 184.)
            3. gladcu2
              gladcu2 24 September 2015 17: 07 New
              -1
              Sling cutter

              Start with united states.

              Pampers bag with you do not forget. At the word Marx, there they shoot without warning. Start from far.
  • veksha50
    veksha50 23 September 2015 22: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: Kuzyakin15
    Russia has already slid into the swamp, as the gentlemen of the Democrats say about Brezhnev’s rule.
    Only the current swamp is more marshy and smelly


    For your information, I would love to end up in a swamp from the time of Brezhnev ... It is a pity that there is no time machine ...
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 23 September 2015 11: 52 New
    +4
    Quote: anip
    Then you have to start with the guarantor, you need to change it.

    On whom? And How? They themselves will not leave, and a popular rebellion will bring to power not the very best, but the most pagan.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 September 2015 12: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: veksha50
      Let me ask you for the sake of interest: and to whom ???

      Quote: Ingvar 72
      On whom?

      Do you really believe that in the 140 millionth country there are no two dozen decent and competent people? Or is the light wedged on "these" PR figures?
      in the most extreme case, we will invite the Old Man wink
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 September 2015 13: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Stroporez
        two dozen decent and competent people?
        Weak to even list a couple?
        Quote: Stroporez
        in the most extreme case, we will invite the Old Man
        Maybe we’ll start with him? I agree.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 23 September 2015 13: 38 New
          -1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Weak to even list a couple?

          Well, we are like in kindergarten, weakly not weakly ..
          You can’t hand over the party membership.
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Maybe we’ll start with him? I agree.

          I agree too. yes drinks
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        3. fif21
          fif21 23 September 2015 13: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Maybe we’ll start with him? I agree.
          Rurik for reign Have you invited? laughing Oh, our essence is servile crying
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    3. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 23 September 2015 15: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: veksha50
      Let me ask you for the sake of interest: and to whom ???

      Quote: Ingvar 72
      On whom?
      But adults ...

      For anyone capable of performing the functions and powers prescribed by the fourth chapter of the constitution.

      And How?
      Stopping being terpils smile
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 25 September 2015 14: 24 New
    0
    Quote: anip
    Then you have to start with the guarantor, you need to change it.

    one must not begin with a guarantor, but with private ownership of the means of production! Guarantor is a consequence, not a cause
  • valokordin
    valokordin 23 September 2015 10: 57 New
    +7
    Quote: SibSlavRus
    It’s unpleasant when comrades cover their costs at the expense of the population, as with the prices of gasoline and energy (which are all dragging themselves behind). Really until they really start to hammer, then they will not calm down. The habit of impunity and permissiveness, however.

    And the billionaire Melnichenko built the largest yacht in the world for $ 400 million and will now be moored in the Crimea for free under the new law. People are poor and the rating is growing. That’s where the money is for the budget, but try it.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 23 September 2015 11: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: valokordin
      That’s where the money is for the budget, but try it.

      Yes, you need to take money from Melnichenko, Russia at least two days.
  • beer-youk
    beer-youk 23 September 2015 14: 23 New
    +5
    I recalled an ancient joke.
    They revived Stalin. Asked to help deal with the crisis. After reviewing the situation, he made two recommendations:
    1. To shoot the government.
    2. Paint the walls of the Kremlin in yellow.
    In a popular discussion, the main question was: "Why in yellow?". On the first sentence, there were no objections or discussions!
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 23 September 2015 18: 08 New
    +4
    There are no Russian people there, there in the bulk are a suitcase with money, an airplane, Israel.
  • VEKT
    VEKT 23 September 2015 09: 06 New
    +1
    Golden words, no strength, some show off.
  • veksha50
    veksha50 23 September 2015 11: 34 New
    +8
    Quote: mirag2
    The difficulty in another is to be this appendage, and to want and demand, and even behave, like a country with a developed industry and industry.



    Let me add: while not developing this industry, but only a balabol about some kind of import substitution ... which actually does not exist ...
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  • Andrey NM
    Andrey NM 23 September 2015 19: 29 New
    +7
    And not a word about industrial production. Do not produce analogues of drilling equipment in Russia? Did someone try? While the premier is sitting a big-eyed child, drooling at the sight of another gadget, and the best leaders of the Central Bank in the world, that’s how it will be. About import substitution, something is quieter and quieter, our attention is shifting to "external stimuli." Please note that the other methods of making money in our country are similar: pranked the road, put up a barrier and collect for the trip, set signs, came across parking meters and collect for parking lots. Why bother with production? The only thing is that all these pipelines and holes in the ground need to be protected, so the military-industrial complex works (rather contrary to). It is necessary to knock out oil barrels from under their backsides, and even better, to remove their backsides from these chairs altogether ...
    1. Robinzon57
      Robinzon57 24 September 2015 00: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Andrew NM
      Andrey NM

      Well done Andrey, you look at the root. Grain, timber, and ore for export are the same needle. We are building shopping and entertainment centers instead of enterprises for the deep processing of raw materials. It is simply necessary to introduce high export duties on raw materials.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 September 2015 06: 35 New
    0
    Equally Successful SUCCESSOR as a PREDICTOR
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 23 September 2015 07: 11 New
      -6
      The whole world economy will not withstand low oil prices in the long run, so it’s okay, prices will rise for anyone.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 September 2015 07: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: ZU-23
        The whole world economy will not stand low oil prices in the long run,

        That's interesting - according to experts' forecasts, world oil reserves should be enough from 30 (the darkest forecast) to 55 - 60 years, and it is CHEAPER! request
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 23 September 2015 10: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: Bayonet
          That's interesting - according to experts' forecasts, world oil reserves should be enough from 30 (the darkest forecast) to 55 - 60 years, and it is CHEAPER!


          Alexander, and never thought about the fact that high oil prices were artificially inflated. And one of the reasons was the replicated argument (you can use the word myth, about the growth of the Chinese economy), but the global crisis of 2008 began to slow down the growth rate of the world economy, including the Chinese one. Well, at the moment, the ongoing crisis has finally finished off oil prices, along with economic growth. And there is no economic growth — there is no growth in hydrocarbon consumption. By the way, Oleg, correctly noted in his article another reason for the price reduction
          Having studied market analytics, experts grabbed their bright heads: after all, the world's oil supply is almost three times higher than demand! And this is not to mention the fact that traders also expect Iranian oil on the market.


          Well, like that. angry
          1. Cube123
            Cube123 23 September 2015 13: 05 New
            +5
            Quote: Vladimir 1964
            By the way, Oleg, correctly noted in his article another reason for the price reduction
            Having studied market analytics, experts grabbed their bright heads: after all, the world's oil supply is almost three times higher than demand! And this is not to mention the fact that traders also expect Iranian oil on the market.


            Well, like that. angry

            That's where this phrase wanders from? Unclear. In fact, supply exceeds demand by 3,3 million barrels per day, with a total consumption of 93 million barrels per day, which is about 3,5%, and not three at all.
            http://www.gazeta.ru/business/2015/08/12/7683871.shtml
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 23 September 2015 13: 38 New
              +2
              An article in Geopolitics dated 04.09.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX "The current oil price is in no way connected with supply and demand" http://geo-politica.info/tekuschaya-tsena-na-neft-nikak-ne-svyazana-so-sprosom- i
              -predlozheniem.html.
              “Watch for a significant correction in the US dollar in the coming months, which will mark a turnaround in commodities in general. Until then, we are in the midst of a perfect storm when prices go down, not really paying attention to fundamental factors because of the Fed’s policy and just pure the greed of funds that can lower oil futures contracts to maximize short-term stock gains or acquire assets cheaply. "
          2. fif21
            fif21 23 September 2015 14: 00 New
            -3
            Quote: Vladimir 1964
            Having studied market analytics, experts grabbed their bright heads: after all, the world's oil supply is almost three times higher than demand! And this is not to mention the fact that traders also expect Iranian oil on the market.

            Surnames of experts? Calculations! Are you a provocateur or a chatterbox! And the author of the article seems to be your brother.
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 23 September 2015 15: 26 New
              +5
              Quote: fif21
              Surnames of experts? Calculations! Are you a provocateur or a chatterbox! And the author of the article seems to be your brother.


              No, Alexander, he is not my brother, but still interesting, now I know that the presentation of my opinion is a provocation and verbiage.

              what
              1. fif21
                fif21 23 September 2015 15: 59 New
                0
                Quote: Vladimir 1964
                Now I know that the presentation of my opinion is a provocation and verbiage.
                That the supply of crude oil is 3 times higher than demand? This is your opinion? What is it based on? On this article? Using unverified information (or intentionally distorted) is a provocation! And a man who does not bother himself with the objectivity of comments, if only to blurt out a chatterbox. Something like this. Sorry if offended. hi
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          3. Bayonet
            Bayonet 23 September 2015 14: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir 1964
            (you can use the word myth, about the growth of the Chinese economy

            Sorry, but to call the growth of the Chinese economy a myth .... I can not agree. hi
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 23 September 2015 15: 23 New
              -1
              Quote: Bayonet
              Sorry, but to call the growth of the Chinese economy a myth .... I can not agree.

              Alexander, of course, I did not correctly state my thoughts. By this phrase I meant plans for economic growth, but by no means is it not its definition as such.
              1. vidmid
                vidmid 23 September 2015 15: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir 1964
                Quote: Bayonet
                Sorry, but to call the growth of the Chinese economy a myth .... I can not agree.

                Alexander, of course, I did not correctly state my thoughts. By this phrase I meant plans for economic growth, but by no means is it not its definition as such.

                in recent years, the claimed growth of the Chinese economy (9-13%) per year has been questioned by many experts.
                they (in China) can’t verify anything
                Financial reports - classified, yuan - not convertible
                So they believed.
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  • vladim.gorbunow
    vladim.gorbunow 23 September 2015 07: 19 New
    0
    More likely pathogen and irritant.
  • go21zd45few
    go21zd45few 24 September 2015 08: 24 New
    0
    And there are no such people in Medvedev’s government who are professional, they’re talking nonsense. The same is true for the Duma, there are only talkers around.
  • yushch
    yushch 23 September 2015 07: 44 New
    +1
    If Ulyukaev said that everything was bad and full oppa would come soon, no one would do business with us at all. Then Ulyukaev is not such a significant figure to which world markets listen, therefore his forecasts do not always come true. Well and the last We became a raw materials appendage just recently, about 25 years ago. Thanks to the sensitive help of the West in building capitalism in Russia, therefore, I think the reproaches to the current leaders are not quite right, they are raking the consequences of the Yeltsin Sabbath, some successfully and some others .
    1. VEKT
      VEKT 23 September 2015 09: 17 New
      +5
      If Ulyukaev said that everything was bad and full oppa would come soon, no one would do business with us at all. Then Ulyukaev is not such a significant figure to which world markets listen, therefore his forecasts do not always come true. Well and the last We became a raw materials appendage just recently, about 25 years ago. Thanks to the sensitive help of the West in building capitalism in Russia, therefore, I think the reproaches to the current leaders are not quite right, they are raking the consequences of the Yeltsin Sabbath, some successfully and some others .

      They rake it up by a method of even deeper landing on a raw material needle, see how many oil and gas pipelines were built in 15 years of Putin's rule.
      1. yushch
        yushch 23 September 2015 09: 30 New
        +4
        Do you think it’s so easy to build an oil and gas pipeline? Yes, there are so many research institutes working on this building, the technologies there are no less complicated than in rocket science. I also see how much has been built and restored over the 15 years that you are talking about. Many reproach the GDP for being soft and simply do not understand that acting by shock methods from the time of Stalin, everyone would just start howling at how they would have to. It’s just that many people think that strict methods apply only to the elite, and ordinary people will live without straining, but you and I know perfectly well who will get all the hardships and deprivations of shock construction.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 23 September 2015 09: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: yushch
          It’s just that many people think that strict methods apply only to the elite, and ordinary people will live without straining, but you and I know perfectly well who will get all the hardships and deprivations of shock construction.
          +++ Well, that's exactly what everyone imagines, as if they themselves would remain on the sidelines! hi
        2. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 23 September 2015 11: 01 New
          0
          Right! Tired of this nagging about our backwardness. And what: gas pipelines are being built in our country, digging with shovels, and they are being designed using a compass, and that our satellites are launched from a slingshot.
        3. anip
          anip 23 September 2015 12: 34 New
          +8
          Quote: yushch
          Do you think it’s so easy to build an oil and gas pipeline? Yes, there are so many research institutes working on this building, the technologies there are no less complicated than in rocket science.

          True, not easy. But that's just how it does not contradict the commodity economy? Pipes are made and carried out on imported machine tools and machines; about oil platforms, the article said well how much Russian there is.

          Quote: yushch
          I also see how much has been built and restored over the 15 years that you are talking about.

          I also clearly see how many plants in the city have just been destroyed and finished off over 15 years, among them there were defense and space ones.
          1. yushch
            yushch 23 September 2015 13: 11 New
            -1
            You do not seem to be a stupid person, you understand that abandoning the export of hydrocarbons is the same as shooting yourself in the head. Not everything is done right away, but about the closure of enterprises, specifically in Stavropol, all the defense plants, and we have a lot of them loaded with orders at the very worst. And what has closed is the result of the enlargement of the state corporation; no fools are sitting at the top and are considering whether it makes sense to reanimate the dead enterprises or does it make sense to enlarge the less preserved ones. And as for the oil needle, I will tell you so, find me in the world at least one state that will refuse oil dependence. Even Norway did not want to. We need to really look at things, and to scrape what others create, we know how.
            1. Robinzon57
              Robinzon57 23 September 2015 15: 57 New
              +4
              Quote: yushch
              yushch (6)

              Dear yuchi! No need to soar people's brains! I myself am from the Stavropol Territory and I see what is happening here. There were not many enterprises in the agrarian region, and now everything is closed. Each district center used to have its own processing industry for agricultural raw materials - now name the place where it has been preserved from 20 districts? Hidden unemployment rolls over! This is called the oil needle.
              1. yushch
                yushch 23 September 2015 16: 23 New
                -1
                You are from the region, and I am from Stavropol. Do you need to list plants related to the defense industry? Soar your brains here, I did not mention the production processing of agricultural products, especially the hidden unemployment. And the combination -shch- in Russian sounds like the sound "Щ".
                Ps. If you are trying to make me a liar, then let's meet and talk once we live nearby.
                1. Robinzon57
                  Robinzon57 23 September 2015 16: 48 New
                  +1
                  Sorry - the mismatch of the form and content of the malvina is to blame - it is. Write in Russian in Russian, and no one will be mistaken. For example, I am not ashamed of the Russian language, and I am good that I am a native speaker of it.
                  In essence. Stavropol "micro-defense" is nothing. And you go to Izobilny, Novopavlovsk, Minvody. Although there is Nevinnomyssky Nitrogen. The whole region - markets and shops - has something to be proud of and import substitution. I did not try to offend you, just in order to say something, you should familiarize yourself with the subject - for example, travel around the edge.
                  1. yushch
                    yushch 23 September 2015 17: 52 New
                    -2
                    Strange, your nickname is also not written in Russian, but I advise you to write in Russian. How do you know my native language? You Robinson is very not attentive, starting with my ava and ending with my post, which talked about defense enterprises and the space industry. I did not say anything about agriculture, because I do not own information on his condition in the UK. You accuse me of ignorance of a topic that I did not touch on, then you indicate which language to write in, I have the impression that you are an ill-mannered person.
        4. VEKT
          VEKT 23 September 2015 12: 46 New
          +2
          But as you put it, “vyeba-t” will be the next generation after us, if by that time there will be someone, and please don’t need about innovations in oil production, we still don’t build drilling platforms. Now it’s not the conditions to act with Stalinist methods, but there is no banal development and order. So, a new governor arrived in the region, and the first thing he started was to nag the businessmen, he would bring them in time to the right place, and you see the FSB officers would not come. That’s all stability.
        5. sherp2015
          sherp2015 23 September 2015 13: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: yushch
          Do you think that building an oil and gas pipeline is so easy? Yes, there are so many research institutes working on this building, the technologies there are no less complicated than in rocket science.


          Or is it better to build factories, factories for the production of general goods? At the same time, people will be at work and receive a wage.
          There is no need to build a gas pipeline - a proven technology ...
          1. yushch
            yushch 23 September 2015 14: 28 New
            -3
            Of course, it’s better, you’ll only build a question ??? Just don’t direct and put bricks on the shovel or stand ??? You can learn more about the proven technology, especially about laying pipes along the bottom of the sea.
            1. VEKT
              VEKT 23 September 2015 16: 23 New
              +5
              Of course, it’s better, you’ll only build a question ??? Just don’t direct and put bricks on the shovel or stand ??? You can learn more about the proven technology, especially about laying pipes along the bottom of the sea.

              Oh, what kind of kindergarten is it? Do you think there’s no one to put bricks and pour concrete in? Believe me, these people are enough, only as the experience of Vostochny shows, "effective managers" fill their pockets and want people to work for thanks. I myself worked in a team of masons, and the five of us had the same number of managers.
              1. yushch
                yushch 23 September 2015 17: 38 New
                -1
                Well, if it’s a kindergarten, then maybe you can explain to me what “factories for the production of general goods” or about “proven pipe laying technology” are. Do you not see what the comrade wrote and did not think about what. Therefore, the question followed about the construction. Do not take everything written literally. I think that the majority of members of the forum worked at construction sites at different periods of their lives, and I am no exception. I think it’s not worth talking about the fact that not a single state, except China, has closed-loop production.
  • siberalt
    siberalt 23 September 2015 08: 18 New
    +3
    In Russia, everyone knows that we will only see deterioration when, with a global decline in energy prices, only in Russia gasoline and electricity are getting more expensive, with all the usual consequences along the chain. So that Ulyukaev had nothing to discover America. laughing
  • VEKT
    VEKT 23 September 2015 09: 07 New
    +2
    Ah ... I guess!
    What a long time to fool our enemies, however ...!

    This is you so now all the Russian people in the enemy recorded)))
  • anip
    anip 23 September 2015 09: 13 New
    10
    Quote: slizhov
    Ah ... I guess!
    What a long time to fool our enemies, however ...!

    Why should foes be fooled? They already know everything. But fooling their own population ...
  • veksha50
    veksha50 23 September 2015 11: 32 New
    +4
    Quote: slizhov
    What a long time to fool our enemies, however ...!


    One of the components of the "cunning plan" ???

    And so no one guessed ??? What will we go the other way ???
  • Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 23 September 2015 05: 48 New
    -12
    Russia once did not depend on oil and gas exports, but rather developed until the Bolsheviks organized a revolution. Maybe our ministers need to return to hard land and we need to learn from them!
    1. Riv
      Riv 23 September 2015 05: 52 New
      +9
      Can you read the history of the USSR at your leisure? Although you have in Ukraine where to get a textbook? ..
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 September 2015 05: 59 New
        -12
        Quote: Riv
        Can you read the history of the USSR at your leisure?

        But what is wrong with history?
        1. Barboskin
          Barboskin 23 September 2015 06: 17 New
          17
          It’s badly developed, in a normal country, revolutions are not satisfied. And in general, the Bolsheviks came after February 1917, when they had already killed the officers, destroyed the front and the economy. Well, this is so in short, but in general, learn history from textbooks, and not from the agitation of Sorros.
          1. mirag2
            mirag2 23 September 2015 06: 21 New
            +6
            It’s badly developed, in a normal country, revolutions are not satisfied.
            -gold words! The essence is captured.
            1. vlavek
              vlavek 23 September 2015 17: 15 New
              +1
              There were 5 several revolutions in France, one in the USA. The main thing is that the correct conclusions from the revolution would be made and the lesson went for the future
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 September 2015 07: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Barboskin
            It’s badly developed, in a normal country, revolutions are not satisfied.

            True? Strange, but people lived in Libya, God grant everyone prosperity and social security, but the revolution has occurred. Still give examples?
            Quote: Barboskin
            And in general, the Bolsheviks came after February 1917, when they had already killed the officers, destroyed the front and the economy.

            And suddenly out of nowhere the Bolsheviks appear and take power yes laughing
            Quote: Barboskin
            Well, this is so in short, but in general, learn history from textbooks, and not from the agitation of Sorros.

            Yes, would you go away with your Soros.
            1. Riv
              Riv 23 September 2015 13: 58 New
              +1
              Well, actually yes: it was. They came and took it. But not the Bolsheviks, but the Social Revolutionaries, anarchists and Bolsheviks. The crew on the Aurora was completely anarchist. The guard, "who is tired," too. The Bolsheviks had more support among the workers than in the army. It was then that Trotsky literally began from scratch to create the Red Army, and until 1918, Lenin even had to hire Latvians to protect him. For the money, by the way ...

              You should at least read Bushkova for the sake of general education. "Red Monarch" - I recommend.
              1. Tambov Wolf
                Tambov Wolf 23 September 2015 19: 04 New
                0
                Well, if a science fiction and fantasy writer and a bit of fiction is an authority in education, then Nabiullina is a Roman Mom, and Chubais is a Roman Pope.
            2. fif21
              fif21 23 September 2015 14: 19 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              True? Strange, but people lived in Libya, God grant everyone prosperity and social security, but the revolution has occurred. Still give examples?
              How everything is running! After the revolution, the political system is changing. Replacing one leader with another by an armed method is a coup d'etat.
          3. Bayonet
            Bayonet 23 September 2015 07: 53 New
            +7
            Quote: Barboskin
            in general, learn history from textbooks

            Textbooks are also written so that the content corresponds to the course at the moment .... wink hi
          4. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 September 2015 11: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: Barboskin
            Sucks developed, in a normal country, revolutions are not satisfied

            According to statistics, Russia on the eve of World War I was ahead of countries such as Germany and England in development. It turns out that they developed even worse. And about the revolution - do you seriously believe that it was arranged by the simple Russian people?
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 23 September 2015 15: 52 New
              +4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              According to statistics, Russia on the eve of World War I was ahead of countries such as Germany and England in development
              What statistics? laughing

              "The fact of Russia's extreme economic backwardness compared to the rest of the cultural world is beyond any doubt. According to the figures of 1912, per capita national income was: in the USA 720 rubles (in gold, before the war), in England - 500, in Germany - 300, in Italy - 230 and in Russia - 110.
              So, the average Russian, even before the First World War, was almost 7 times poorer than the average American, and more than 2 times poorer than the average Italian. Even bread - our main wealth - was scarce. If England consumed 24 pounds per capita, Germany 27 pounds, and the USA - as much as 62 pounds, then Russian consumption of bread was only 21, 6 pounds - including cattle feed in all this. It should be borne in mind that in the diet of Russia bread took such a place as it did not take anywhere else in other countries. In the rich countries of the world, bread was replaced by meat and dairy products and fish. "
              Ivan Lukyanovich Solonevich "People's Monarchy"
          5. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 23 September 2015 12: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: Barboskin
            It’s badly developed, in a normal country, revolutions are not satisfied.

            Wrong.
            In 1913, the main sector of the Russian economy was agriculture, which accounted for 55,7% of the income. Despite this, there was rapid growth in industrial production, in which Russia ranked fifth in the world (USA - 35,8%, Germany - 15,7%, Great Britain - 14% and France - 6,4%, Russia - 5,3 %). At the same time, Russia was constantly increasing this share due to the outstripping growth rates, and even in first place in the world in terms of production concentration (the share of large modern enterprises). (TSB. 3rd ed. 1975.V. 22.P. 226.)
            And this ratio has been constantly changing. In terms of industrial production growth rates, Russia firmly held the lead. If this continued further, then in less than 10-12 years, she would already be a world leader.

            Quote: Barboskin
            And in general, the Bolsheviks came after February 1917, when they had already killed the officers, destroyed the front and the economy.

            And they left in 1991 when they ruined the economy and robbed the people, besides they were hooked on an oil needle with which they still can’t get off.
            1. VEKT
              VEKT 23 September 2015 12: 59 New
              +3
              The share increased, but more and more lagged. The First World War showed well what these growth indicators were, when military equipment had to be purchased from France and England.
              1. fif21
                fif21 23 September 2015 14: 28 New
                +5
                Quote: VEKT
                The First World War showed well what these growth indicators were, when military equipment had to be purchased from France and England.
                Our greedy bourgeoisie decided to "warm their hands" in the war, created an artificial shortage and "inflated" prices! For which they were cruelly but fairly punished.
            2. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 23 September 2015 15: 58 New
              +6
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              there was rapid growth in industrial production, in which Russia ranked fifth in the world (USA - 35,8%, Germany - 15,7%, Great Britain - 14% and France - 6,4%, Russia - 5,3%)
              Count per capita.

              "Foreign capital invested in Russian enterprises by January 1, 1902 was 1.043.977.000 rubles.

              Foreign capital, (along with loans) says Mr. Taburno, is participating in our debt in the amount of about 5.800 million rubles; over a 20 year period, Russia paid interest and urgent repayments on foreign capital invested in state and private industrial securities, about 4.372 million rubles. If we add to this figure the expenses of Russians abroad, amounting to about 20 million rubles over 1.370 years, it turns out that Russia over a 20-year period from 1882-1901. paid abroad about 5.740 million rubles, or about 15 1/2 billion francs.

              Those. we pay tribute to foreigners every 6 1/2 years, equal to the size of the colossal indemnity paid by France to its winner in Germany.

              In the past two years (1900 and 1901), our payments to foreigners amounted to about 380 million rubles annually, and in the present 1903 this amount will be even more significant, so over the past 5 years we will pay foreigners about 5 1/2 billion francs. Then everyone was surprised where France could get such a significant amount of money from.

              Where do we get the necessary amounts for payment of our own obligations? You can and should think about it. Without war, without costs, without human casualties, foreigners are increasingly defeating us every 5-6 years, inflicting a financial defeat on us equal to the defeat of France in 1870. "

              "Indeed: by the amount of debt, we are already the first power in the world, while we are the only state with a large half of this debt external; the last loan of 842.750.000 rubles was made on such unfavorable conditions that we immediately lost upon its implementation over 120 million rubles, and we undertook not to make new loans for two years, despite the fact that one half of this loan will cover our foreign short-term obligations concluded as a result of the war, and the other to cover the budget deficit for 1906 a year, why there isn’t a penny left to raise public welfare from this loan, although paying growth and repayment on it has borne Russia a new burden of 49.200.000 rubles a year.

              Those. an amount of 8 million rubles more than the estimate of the Ministry of Public Education for 1906, and about a third of the quarters of this debt we owe abroad; therefore, the payment of% and repayment on it is a new powerful pump for pulling gold from the country and greatly worsening our balance sheet.

              ..Thus, the results of introducing foreign capital into the State are as follows: a decrease in the general welfare in the adjacent area and the exhaustion of gold from the country. "

              Alexander Dmitrievich Nechvolodov “From ruin to wealth” 1906
        2. mirag2
          mirag2 23 September 2015 06: 18 New
          +6
          Russia once did not depend on oil and gas exports, but rather developed until the Bolsheviks made a revolution
          -ha! Well, in this case, you can add, Russia once did not depend on the export of fruits and vegetables ... Or computer hardware, until the Bolsheviks made a revolution good
          1. rosarioagro
            rosarioagro 23 September 2015 07: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: mirag2
            once did not depend on the export of fruits and vegetables ..

            yes, was a major exporter of grain
            1. vladim.gorbunow
              vladim.gorbunow 23 September 2015 08: 09 New
              +5
              Yes, the scary thing is the export of Russian grain. Manage to take away grain from the starving. The country was actually exported from the cold, with low natural productivity, albeit unproductive, super-cheap labor of peasants locked in the village by redemption payments. And it was so necessary. so that out of 1000 babies, 600 die before the year. The current export of oil and gas from a poorly gasified country is similar to the previous export of grain.
            2. fif21
              fif21 23 September 2015 14: 34 New
              0
              Quote: rosarioagro
              yes, was a major exporter of grain
              She is now a major exporter of grain. The media reported that revenues from Russian grain exports this year exceeded revenues from arms sales.
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    2. str73
      str73 23 September 2015 06: 52 New
      27
      Question: Who destroyed the Russian statehood in 1917? Answer: Ministers, generals, deputies of the State Duma - then Westerners (February 1917) - Lenin found out about this while sitting in a cafe somewhere in Zurich, in my opinion. Question: Who pulled the Russian state from shit? Answer: Bolsheviks! (Yes, sometimes by cruel methods, but still ...) Yes, they pulled us out so that we won in a terrible war and were the first to fly into space. Like this...
      1. BMW
        BMW 23 September 2015 07: 03 New
        19
        Quote: str73
        Who pulled the Russian state from shit? Answer: Bolsheviks!


        Everything does not reach them, that all troubles come from the dominance of capital, that capitalism is slavery, only the slave feeds himself, that globalization is capitalistically a death for humanity. A world of dreams and beautiful candy wrappers is covering our eyes. Aw, wake up, you vilify and very fluid.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 September 2015 07: 56 New
        0
        Quote: str73
        and first flew into space. Like this...

        It looks like another 100 years, this will be the main argument .... hi
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 23 September 2015 11: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: Bayonet
          It looks like another 100 years, this will be the main argument ...

          But what, this argument is not true or ...?
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 23 September 2015 14: 06 New
            -1
            Quote: V.ic
            But what, this argument is not true or ...?

            Faithful faithful, go on ... smile
          2. vidmid
            vidmid 23 September 2015 15: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: V.ic
            But what, this argument is not true or ...?

            is everything right and?
    3. ARES623
      ARES623 23 September 2015 06: 52 New
      16
      Quote: Tartar 174
      Russia once did not depend on oil and gas exports, but rather developed until the Bolsheviks organized a revolution. Maybe our ministers need to return to hard land and we need to learn from them!

      Russia, just then, developed when the Bolsheviks came to power, up to 15% per year. Up to hundreds of factories, by the way large ones, were launched in a year. Production was launched, which before that in the country did not exist at all. The people were eager for engineers, pilots, tractor drivers. Manually digging coal and ore. And, most importantly, for the most part they believed in the bright future of the next generations. Yes, in this difficult situation we managed to make and educate our mothers and fathers, 4-6 per family, counting only survivors. Although, I must admit, before the age of 35 they fought with basmachism and active counter-revolution. That is, it was a very turbulent little time, not what they show in the cinema.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 September 2015 08: 00 New
        -4
        Quote: ARES623
        Russia, just then, developed when the Bolsheviks came to power, up to 15% per year.

        The Roman Empire, with its slave system, at one time also developed well and grew smile hi
        1. ARES623
          ARES623 23 September 2015 09: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Bayonet
          The Roman Empire, with its slave system, at one time also developed well and grew

          The Roman Empire is an integral part of our history and the dialectical stage of the development of civilization. What do you dislike about her? Slavery ?, Well, everything has its time. It was the case and ate each other. Once, they didn’t have time to get to the pot. not without it. One cannot but respect the childhood of human development.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 23 September 2015 09: 47 New
            -3
            Quote: ARES623
            What do you dislike about her?

            I really like the Roman Empire! Last year's trip to Italy, very impressed! hi
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 23 September 2015 14: 03 New
            -3
            Quote: ARES623
            One cannot but respect the childhood of human development.

            You see how many disadvantages the Urya-patriots pushed us! smile Maybe out of envy, or maybe out of stupidity ... hi
            1. ARES623
              ARES623 23 September 2015 14: 54 New
              +4
              It is probably difficult to admit that in childhood he wrote in panties and was engaged in other obscenities. Acceptance of history as a given, for the purpose of self-improvement, is the destiny of the brave, purposeful, as a result, held in the life of individuals.
            2. kotvov
              kotvov 23 September 2015 19: 50 New
              +3
              Maybe out of envy, or maybe out of stupidity .. ,,
              bayonet, your phrases to me. reminiscent of the sayings of our liberoids, the wrong people got to us. you disagree with you, it immediately becomes
              or maybe you’re writing something wrong? Or, as evidence, you recognize only two positions: one is mine, the other is wrong.
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 23 September 2015 23: 01 New
                0
                Quote: kotvov
                . who does not agree with you, immediately becomes

                If you put a minus - justify! As I understand it, if you don’t like something, it’s a liberal and a point! More truly minus hiThat's what the Roman Empire or my last year’s trip did not please you? smile
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 24 September 2015 15: 28 New
                0
                Quote: kotvov
                bayonet, your phrases to me. recall the statements of, our, liberoids, the wrong people we got.

                I’m not talking about the people, and it’s impossible to judge the people by the example of the statements of individual faraway individuals! hi
    4. VEKT
      VEKT 23 September 2015 09: 33 New
      +5
      Russia once did not depend on oil and gas exports, but rather developed until the Bolsheviks organized a revolution. Maybe our ministers need to return to hard land and we need to learn from them!

      They didn’t depend on oil, but they depended on grain, while their people were starving, they fed Europe, and just like now, there was nothing of their own, everyone bought abroad. lost time that could be spent on development, and Stalin then had to build the industry in an oval mode.
    5. 97110
      97110 23 September 2015 10: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: Tartar 174
      Russia once did not depend on oil and gas exports,

      In the first half of the 20th century, the river fleet used firewood as fuel. Then - coal. Diesel engines began to be used in large quantities since the mid-60s. But the steamboats on the river met in the 90s. Do you even know when oil was found in Tatarstan? Tell kindergarten or Ukro-Americans about the export of gas to the Republic of Ingushetia. We do not need to be held for the above. Get down to earth, a fighter with the Bolsheviks.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 September 2015 15: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: 97110
        In the first half of the 20th century, the river fleet used firewood as fuel. Then - coal. Diesel engines began to be used in large quantities since the mid-60s.

        The first diesel vessels in the world appeared in Russia, thanks to the company "Partnership of the Nobel Brothers". The construction of the first motor ships began in 1902 at the Sormovsky plant in Nizhny Novgorod. Three ships of the same type were ordered at once - “Vandal”, “Sarmat” and “Skiff”. These vessels were tankers designed to transport oil from Rybinsk to St. Petersburg (via the Mariinsky system). A sturdy hull allowed these vessels to sail along Onega and Ladoga lakes.
        Built according to the project of engineer N.V. Kabachinsky for the Kamensky Brothers and N. Meshkov partnership in 1913, Danilikha was quite significant in size (280x48x11 m), the largest vessel in terms of carrying capacity (up to 123 thousand pounds), twin-screw, 300 ef. forces, shallow, able to deliver cargo to Moscow. It became the prototype of a large-capacity dry cargo fleet of the Big Volga and Sixth Five-Year Plan types, the construction of which began in the future.
        So, we list the first ships of Russia:
        • 1903 - The Vandal
        • 1904 - “Sarmat”
        • 1907 - Kolomensky
        • 1908 - “Ilya Muromets”
        • 1908 - Lezgin (360 rated forces)
        • 1908 - The Case
        • 1910 - “Experience” - a wheeled motor ship for the transportation of flour, with a carrying capacity of about 50 tons
        • 1911 - “Ural” - a wheeled motor ship, the first passenger motor ship in the world, 800 rated forces (burned down in 1916)
        • 1912 - “Koreyvo Engineer” - a cargo motor ship with a capacity of 600 rated forces and a lifting capacity of 70 thousand pounds. Built at Kolomensky Zavod
        • 1913 - “Danilikha” - a cargo ship,
        • 1915 - Moskvich, the world's first horizontal motorized tug boat.

        In addition to the large ones, some of which are listed, were built or converted into motor ships and small vessels. By 1914, there were already about two hundred of them on the Volga, and the number of large motor ships was 48 (passenger and cargo-passenger - 16, freight - 12, tugs - 20)
        Thus, in a very short time, Russian industry mastered the production of motor ships. The acquired experience has allowed us to switch from experienced single vessels to mass production.
        In 1907, the Kolomensky Zavod began construction of a series of passenger motor ships with a screw drive (the customer was the Caucasus and Mercury Joint-Stock Company).
        The first ship in the series, which was called the Borodino, was ready by 1911. The construction of a series of such motor ships continued until 1917, a total of 11 motor ships were built. The most durable vessels of this series are Uritsky (originally Tsargrad), the Paris Commune (initially John the Terrible), and in fact, Commemorative Comrade Markina ”(originally“ Bagration ”) - worked on the Volga until 1991. hi
    6. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 23 September 2015 11: 08 New
      +2
      These are fairy tales. that under the tsar, our economy was booming, more than half of the population was illiterate, in 1913 Russia did not produce commercial aircraft or automobiles or tractors, although in the West it was all mass-produced. What really developed is the export of grain and timber, it reminds you of something. Under the communists, the poor are poor, but we exported our planes, machine tools and machines to the countries of Eastern Europe, Asia and Africa, in general, exports were not raw materials. So no songs needed.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 September 2015 16: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        These are fairy tales. that under the king, our economy was booming

        Do not spit on the history of your country. Shame on you comrade!
        In 1913, the main sector of the Russian economy was agriculture, which accounted for 55,7% of the income. Despite this, there was rapid growth in industrial production, in which Russia ranked fifth in the world (USA - 35,8%, Germany - 15,7%, Great Britain - 14% and France - 6,4%, Russia - 5,3 %). At the same time, Russia was constantly increasing this share due to the outstripping growth rates, and even in first place in the world in terms of production concentration (the share of large modern enterprises). (TSB. 3rd ed. 1975.V. 22.P. 226.)
        In 1897, the gold ruble was introduced, equal to 2,16 Deutschmarks or $ 0,51. In 1913, Russia's gold reserve covered paper money more than 100% (while the main military opponents, Germany and Austria-Hungary, had only about 50% gold coverage). The purchasing power of the convertible ruble remained unshakable in wartime, turning it into one of the main world currencies. From 1900 to 1913, exports of Russian goods doubled, significantly exceeding imports. In 1913, export amounted to 1,52 billion rubles, while import amounted to 1,37 billion rubles (in previous years, the difference was greater). Due to the positive trade balance, there was a constant increase in gold reserves (on the eve of World War II, it amounted to 1,7 billion rubles and became the third in the world).
        From 1880 to 1917, 58 km of railways were built, the annual increase was 251 km. Including the Trans-Siberian Railway, which has been successfully operating so far, unlike today's BAM. The number of transported goods increased by 1575% annually. The shipping merchant fleet in the ten pre-war years increased by 7%, its carrying capacity - by 32,1%. During the same time, during the Soviet era, from the end of the civil war until 41, half the railways were built - 1956 km with an annual increase of 36 km.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 September 2015 16: 21 New
        -2
        At the beginning of the twentieth century, only 25% of the population were literate - but this is again the average for the Empire; in the cities of European Russia, the number of literate reached 50%; and among young people there were even more; and then the letter for women of the lower classes was considered optional - and this worsened the average figures; the male population had a higher percentage. In 1908, universal free primary education was introduced and 10 schools were opened annually (already in 000 there were more than 1911, of which 100 were parish), as a result of which, by 000, the illiteracy of the young generation was to disappear. (In 38, according to Soviet data, 000% of youth from 1922 to 1920 years old were able to read and write, and they learned this before the revolution, and not during the years of the Civil War). Grammar schools were available in all district cities, which many European countries could not boast of. With regard to secondary and higher education of women, Russia went ahead of Western Europe: in 86 there were 12 girls' gymnasiums and higher women’s courses (in fact, universities) in all major cities.
        On the eve of the war in Russia there were more than one hundred universities with 150 students (in France - about 000 students). Many universities in Russia were created by ministries or departments (military, industrial, commercial, spiritual, etc.). Education was inexpensive, for example: at prestigious law schools in Russia it cost 40 times less than in the USA or England, and poor students were exempted and paid scholarships.
        The science.
        It’s enough to name such world-famous names as Mendeleev, Lobachevsky, Pavlov, Sechenov, Mechnikov, Timiryazev, Pirogov, the inventor of Radio Popov ... Subsequently, Russian scientists and engineers who got into emigration were highly valued in all countries and became famous there for many achievements of world significance, for example, B .TO. Zvorykin (television), I.I. Sikorsky (helicopter), V.N. Ipatiev (high-octane gasoline), P.A. Sorokin (sociology). “For the further development of science in the country, it was of great importance that in the last decade before the Great October Socialist Revolution, the level of science was very high ...” (TSB, 2nd ed. 1957. T. 50. C. 434).
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 23 September 2015 22: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          (TSB. 2nd ed. 1957. T. 50.P. 434).

          You didn’t set me a minus, but the Great Soviet Encyclopedia! smile However, it seems you did not know what TSB is. laughing
  • Riv
    Riv 23 September 2015 05: 51 New
    +4
    This pins me: "... the price may go down ..." Well, yes, it can. The minister finally realized.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 23 September 2015 06: 08 New
      18
      I still can’t understand why such predictors are needed for our president?
      - I’m pinned here by a chip that is already well-established in our official media:
      The USA may break up into separate states ...
      Refugees may start terrorizing Europe ...
      Ukraine may be left without heat ....
      etc.
      The keyword is MAY, but in fact it’s all utopia.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 September 2015 08: 02 New
        +6
        Quote: mirag2
        The keyword is MAY, but in fact it’s all utopia.

        Or simply put - idle talk!
      2. vidmid
        vidmid 23 September 2015 15: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: mirag2
        I still can’t understand why such predictors are needed for our president?

        Well, why?
        Putin said a year ago. that oil cannot cost less than $ 80 per barrel. and at 60, the entire global economy will fall apart.
        He didn’t come up with this himself, his advisers suggested
  • venaya
    venaya 23 September 2015 05: 52 New
    +3
    Russia, sadly to admit, has turned into a raw materials appendage of the West, and in many respects depends on this West itself. Import substitution is just empty words.

    This is the most important evil. It is from here that the growth of all problems. In the 30s, raw materials were the only possible source for the development of our own production, now everything has changed in a coordinated way. It was raw materials that became the only source of income for our "economy".
    1. 97110
      97110 23 September 2015 10: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: venaya
      now everything has changed coordinately

      And in Russian? Do you use this barbarism in the meaning of "cardinally", or did you invest something special in it? I'm afraid to be offended by "barbarism." This is not a curse, it is a word from a foreign language.
      1. venaya
        venaya 23 September 2015 12: 33 New
        -3
        Quote: 97110

        And in Russian? Do you use this barbarism in the meaning of "cardinally", or did you invest something special in it? I'm afraid to be offended by "barbarism." This is not a curse, it is a word from a foreign language.

        I show you sincere solidarity regarding the use of the Russian language. Himself so. Some do not understand abusive (foreigners), have to switch to the abusive foreign language.
        In this case, both the eyes and the keyboard stuck, and attention lost.
        And the general meaning of the post is that the development of the country follows the path drawn by Trotsky in the 20s. This path then seemed the simplest but least promising, not giving a leap in economic development. In general, the topic is huge and in my opinion is very important.
        1. fif21
          fif21 23 September 2015 14: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: venaya
          In general, the topic is huge and in my opinion is very important.
          What should “drip” into your account? laughing You probably wanted to write "in your opinion" hi
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 23 September 2015 19: 07 New
          0
          Quote: venaya
          have to switch to the abominable foreign language.

          And you know a lot of "vile foreign languages", except for the mat, of course?
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 23 September 2015 05: 55 New
    19
    you need to gather everyone who sells oil and pumps (“ours”), locks them in a room, and says: there’s no more oil! and you don’t have any property either! your salary now will depend on the growth of the country's economy, and the starting one so far: 15t.r.
    1. Vityok
      Vityok 23 September 2015 07: 09 New
      +5
      They immediately have a heart attack!
      1. BMW
        BMW 23 September 2015 07: 23 New
        +5
        There they are dear.
    2. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 23 September 2015 08: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      you need to gather everyone who sells oil and pumps (“ours”), locks them in a room, and says: there’s no more oil! and you don’t have any property either! your salary now will depend on the growth of the country's economy, and the starting one so far: 15t.r.

      Here you are!
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 September 2015 16: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      you need to gather everyone who sells oil and pumps (“ours”), locks them in a room, and says: there’s no more oil! and you don’t have any property either!

      Good idea, but how to comply with the rule of law? If we consider ourselves to be a legal, civilized state, and the devil doesn’t know what is living "according to concepts," then unfortunately it won’t work. hi
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 23 September 2015 17: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        you need to gather everyone who sells oil and pumps (“ours”), locks them in a room, and says: there’s no more oil! and you don’t have any property either!

        Good idea but how to comply with the rule of law? If we consider ourselves to be a legal, civilized state, and the devil doesn’t know what is living "according to concepts", then unfortunately - it won’t work.
        22 September 2015

        Moscow. September 22nd. INTERFAX.RU - Last year, more than 60 thousand people were prosecuted for theft with minor damage, the head of the Duma committee on security and anti-corruption, Irina Yarovaya (United Russia), told reporters on Tuesday.

        According to her, these thefts were unqualified, and the amount of damage ranged from 1 to 2,5 thousand rubles. Yarovaya noted that 12 thousand of those who were prosecuted were sentenced to real terms.

        http://www.interfax.ru/russia/468328

  • astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 23 September 2015 05: 56 New
    10
    Yes, if you understand that there is enough money in the country! shake "thieves in the seats at the helm" and you see the budget is replenished! And then there is no money, but we buy cars for bureaucrats abroad! Ours are bad, worthless! And they would have sat down on their own and would have thought about the auto industry! And they would have taught the children not over the hill and would not have been treated there themselves, and education and healthcare would have gone wrong! And they would have invested the loot not in offshore, but in the economy of their country, you look the economy would go up and don’t think so much about the price of a barrel of oil! Yes, they don’t think about Russia when dual citizenship and spare places are prepared ahead of time! more than enough).
    1. BMW
      BMW 23 September 2015 07: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: astronom1973n
      Yes, if you understand that there is enough money in the country!


      There are so many of them that they can support the financial dollar pyramid for 30 years.
    2. one
      one 23 September 2015 08: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: astronom1973n
      Yes, if you understand that there is enough money in the country! shake "thieves in the seats at the helm" and you see the budget is replenished! .... Yes, they don’t think about Russia, when dual citizenship and spare places are prepared ahead of time!

      here ... and you are about to "shake".
      therefore, they are harvesting places beyond the hillock because they are not sure about tomorrow in Russia.
      a situation is created where you can only sniff and run, and if you do not have time ... "who did not hide, I’m not to blame ..."
      therefore, we have the most profitable business, it is to be an official deputy, keep your nose in the wind and do not raise your tail, and you will be happy if you manage to escape.
      for example, you have a pipe in your apartment flowing, will you constantly scoop up water or will you change the pipe?
      well, and our leaders believe that it’s more profitable for them to “scoop up water”.
      otherwise there would be laws and bodies that do not allow enrichment with theft.
      the arbitrariness of the law lies not only in “there would be a man-article”, but also in “I want to execute, but I want sweet”.
      and a person is so arranged that he strives to where he will feel calmer and more confident in tomorrow.
      be it a thief or a businessman-doctor-scientist-engineer, etc.
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 23 September 2015 08: 52 New
        +3
        Listen to you, is the Criminal Code an optional set of recommended rules?
        A thief - he is a thief in Africa. What the hell could be excuses?

        I can’t understand anyone running away abroad, they use dollars in their own country as a national currency. Who are they in content?
        And develop and raise again the same ones - patriotic and not afraid of difficulties, ready to fight and die for their land?
        Then who are the rest - lovers of dollars and commercial relations?
        1. one
          one 23 September 2015 10: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          Listen to you, is the Criminal Code an optional set of recommended rules?

          it’s not “listening to me”, but recalling the stool and his “female battalion”
          as well as on almost all mayors-governors, etc.
          Quote: SibSlavRus


          Nicoshda I do not understand people fleeing abroad

          when there is something to lose, understand.
          and there are also people who believe that they can more fully unleash their scientific, professional or business potential in another place where the conditions are better. And there is nothing to do with patriotism, they feel unnecessary to their homeland.
          By the way, the vast majority of the population now feels unnecessary ...

          Quote: SibSlavRus

          And develop and raise again the same ones - patriotic and not afraid of difficulties, ready to fight and die for their land?

          From time immemorial, they fought and died for their land in order to protect their people and, accordingly, their loved ones from violence and robbery, which means to have a higher standard of living, and indeed life in general.
          what kind of patriotism can we talk about, if you are robbed and killed by your own compatriots and for the most part, nothing "sounds".
          here you, for example, will like that for killing you, someone will be given 6-7 years old and then with a probability of 1k 10, what will they give in general?
          but do you like that they can sell rotten fish to you at the store while calculating them, which means that they will rob and they won’t have anything for it?
          maybe your patriotism increases after each underfilling of fuel at gas stations, after each payment for utilities and rip-off for major repairs?
          or maybe you especially want to die for your homeland when you encounter (give you a god of health) our current medicine and you have nowhere to take money to treat yourself or your loved ones?
          hi
  • Jarilo
    Jarilo 23 September 2015 06: 05 New
    +1
    There must be a balance between production and consumption. Oil and gas production is much more than their consumption. What is sold abroad forms an excess of liquidity, which, if it goes to the domestic market, will lead to inflation, i.e. there will be much more money than goods. Therefore, this money is disposed of abroad. There is no benefit from them for our country, one headache for the oligarchs. In other words, in order for all of us to live better, we need to develop production, and not oil and gas production, at the same time we will develop, for pumping oil and gas a lot of mind is not needed.
    1. Jarilo
      Jarilo 23 September 2015 06: 28 New
      +1
      To the one who minusanul: with what specifically do not agree?
    2. BMW
      BMW 23 September 2015 07: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Jarilo
      What is sold abroad forms an excess of liquidity, which, if it goes to the domestic market, will lead to inflation


      The error is deflation.

      Quote: Jarilo
      Therefore, this money is disposed of abroad.


      They do it, but wrong.

      Quote: Jarilo
      There is no benefit from them for our country,


      Wrong, the benefits are great, it all depends on how they are used. If they are invested in the production of means of production, then there is still some benefit. And if they are invested in pieces of paper, then there is no use.
      PS. The minus is not mine. From me neither + nor-.
      1. Jarilo
        Jarilo 23 September 2015 08: 02 New
        0
        The error is deflation.

        i.e., in your opinion, should the money supply increase, should prices decrease?
        1. BMW
          BMW 23 September 2015 08: 47 New
          +1
          You wrote

          Quote: Jarilo
          What is sold abroad forms an excess of liquidity, which, if it goes to the domestic market, will lead to inflation,


          And this is dollars or euros, in order to influence prices they need to be sold, which means to buy rubles. Hence the conclusion - deflation. Because they are kept abroad. Our state is cunning, it receives taxes in rubles and in currency, but it should only in rubles.
          1. Jarilo
            Jarilo 23 September 2015 08: 53 New
            0
            Put yourself in the place of the state. Will you buy what you can print? Of course not. When the currency is received, rubles are printed. Currency is not used in the domestic market.
        2. vidmid
          vidmid 23 September 2015 15: 08 New
          0
          Quote: Jarilo
          The error is deflation.

          i.e., in your opinion, should the money supply increase, should prices decrease?

          increase in money supply (while maintaining the level of goods and services) - leads to higher prices and inflation, respectively
          1. Tambov Wolf
            Tambov Wolf 23 September 2015 19: 15 New
            +1
            But don’t they attract money for development? You get an interesting conclusion, just like our government.
            1. vidmid
              vidmid 23 September 2015 20: 05 New
              0
              Quote: Tambov Wolf
              But don’t they attract money for development? You get an interesting conclusion, just like our government.

              but how to attract her? if not an investment, then print it yourself. and in this we return to one thing - an increase in the money supply.
              And all this is very difficult, it is not enough to have money. it is also necessary to master them.
              Here is a simple example for you. you have 100 billion bucks and a desire to build a nuclear power plant (on your own, of course, 0 - in Zimbabwe? Well, how 7 Get 7
              the same with the construction of factories.
              Crash for a start. then draw up a business plan, then buy equipment (if it is manufactured and if not ... then build another plant producing it. But I forgot - it needs to be designed, etc. etc.) - so there’s just not much money.
              And in the case when they are generally not particularly common - a dead end.
    3. 97110
      97110 23 September 2015 11: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Jarilo
      need to develop production

      why? Where then to do what is done?
      Quote: Jarilo
      to pump oil and gas a lot of mind is not necessary.
      Really nobody will object to VO? What really does not need a mind for such a "simple" work?
      1. Jarilo
        Jarilo 23 September 2015 11: 20 New
        +1
        I will say more, and a lot of people do not need it, 15 million are enough, according to Margaret Thatcher.
      2. Jarilo
        Jarilo 23 September 2015 11: 36 New
        +1
        why? Where then to do what is done?

        And our market does not belong to us anymore?
        1. vidmid
          vidmid 23 September 2015 15: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Jarilo
          why? Where then to do what is done?

          And our market does not belong to us anymore?

          You probably forgot about Russia's membership in the WTO
      3. Jarilo
        Jarilo 23 September 2015 12: 16 New
        +2
        Really nobody will object to VO? What really does not need a mind for such a "simple" work?

        List me the number of technological operations, please. Financial schemes, I suspect so complicated, I agree: I twist, twist, I want to confuse.
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 September 2015 19: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Jarilo
      to pump oil and gas a lot of mind is not necessary.

      A lot of mind is not necessary? Well, drill a hole in your yard and get rich! What is even simpler and a lot of mind is not necessary! smile
  • fa2998
    fa2998 23 September 2015 06: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    you need to gather everyone who sells oil and pumps (“ours”), locks them in a room, and says: there’s no more oil! and you don’t have any property either! your salary now will depend on the growth of the country's economy, and the starting one so far: 15t.r.

    I would add bankers there (the Central Bank rate is reduced, and they are withdrawing all their margins, loans are not getting cheaper). It’s only speculation with currency. hi
  • Cams
    Cams 23 September 2015 06: 28 New
    -2
    That's all scolding the oil needle ...
    And where would we be if not for this needle ?! Would you rather live?
    Where would the money be taken to develop the defense industry? Especially after the Yeltsin devastation ...
    Already in Soviet times, we lagged behind in the quality of machine tools. I worked at a factory and I know the ratio of Japanese, Swiss and Soviet machine tools.
    So rejoice that there is this needle. It is she who helps us to get off her. Only now they steal a lot ...
    1. Jarilo
      Jarilo 23 September 2015 06: 38 New
      +7
      Ask yourself a simple question: where are you and where are the oil revenues, or where is your company, which you say should get off the oil needle and where again the oil revenues, and in general where the oil revenues, can be added to the pension from income from no oil. For all of us, oil revenue is a virtual concept.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 September 2015 06: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: KAMLS
      And where would we be if not for this needle ?! Would you rather live?

      give you an example of a country where there is no "needle", and the economy did not collapse in them? (By the way, they have better machines ...)
      1. vidmid
        vidmid 23 September 2015 15: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: KAMLS
        And where would we be if not for this needle ?! Would you rather live?

        give you an example of a country where there is no "needle", and the economy did not collapse in them? (By the way, they have better machines ...)

        These are just those countries. what are mentioned in
        Quote: KAMLS
        Already in Soviet times, we lagged behind in the quality of machine tools. I worked at a factory and I know the ratio of Japanese, Swiss and Soviet machines

        Quote: Jarilo
        maybe someone added a pension from oil revenues, no.

        Why add a pension?
        Add retirement age. today siluanov demanded to urgently raise the retirement age
        http://news.rambler.ru/business/31324985/
      2. Kite
        Kite 23 September 2015 15: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        give you an example of a country where there is no “needle”, and the economy has not collapsed ...

        - but I wonder where is it? Where is this fabulous kingdom that lives so self-sufficient that external problems do not hurt them? In Germany and France, even they felt that the budget was only deficient from Russia’s retaliatory sanctions by 1-2% of their former foreign trade.
        Probably wink , the size of their economies is more than Russian, now imagine that their subsoil is endowed with oil and gas in addition to the existing industrial production. And suddenly, they would lose part of the income from energy carriers. Do you think and did not notice a 1, 5, 10% decrease? Do you think none of their government and their mouth would not open because of such a trifle and would not complain about losses? You tan from losses, but they say that you are hooked on an oil pipe. winked
    3. would
      would 23 September 2015 06: 43 New
      0
      And where would we be if not for this needle ?! Would you rather live?


      If they wanted, it would be better. "No matter what you produce, it is important what you produce."
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 23 September 2015 06: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: rait
        And where would we be if not for this needle ?! Would you rather live?


        If they wanted, it would be better. "No matter what you produce, it is important what you produce."

        absolutely would ,right. under Stalin, industry jerked up (yes, it was hellishly difficult) BUT! if this pace went on and on, it’s hard to imagine how the country would have developed and the standard of living would have certainly grown, however one “khrushch” said that cybernetics is a “corrupt girl of capitalism” and cut the wires for the development of this direction. got what they got ...
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 23 September 2015 08: 37 New
          +4
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          however, one "Khrushchev", said that cybernetics is a "corrupt girl of capitalism" and cut the wires to the development of this direction, in the end, they got what they got ...

          The persecution of cybernetics began much earlier than “Khrushchev.” May 4, 1950. An article by Boris Agapov (1899-1973) “Mark III, a calculator” was published in the Literary Newspaper. The reason for her was the image of a Harvard Mark III computer in a naval cap, placed on the cover of a popular magazine. This was enough to conclude who exactly serves the electronic “hero of the week”.
          Particularly sharply, Agapov rejected the idea of ​​using computers to process economic information. An article by B. Agapov marked the beginning of an ideological campaign against cybernetics. (Moreover, the word cybernetics was never used in the article!)
          Wiener's book "Cybernetics" was immediately translated from the general fund of the library. Lenin in special custody. Agapov wrote that he knew nothing about Wiener except that he was old, very obese and smoked cigars ... Strange as it may seem, cybernetics were saved by atomic and missile projects. For their implementation required telemetry equipment and remote automatic control, which cannot be designed and manufactured without the appropriate mathematical and software. It was enough to make sure that the theory worked - and all ideological claims to it immediately flew into the toilet.
          As for the "corrupt girl," this is Comrade Lysenko’s pearls regarding genetics hi
        2. 97110
          97110 23 September 2015 11: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          one "Khrushchev," stated that cybernetics is a "corrupt girl of capitalism"

          It doesn't matter what Nikita the Wonderworker stated. It is important what he did. After that, everything became possible in the country. Not right away. It began for me with the question - whose empty pedestal is standing near the river school. They whispered so as not to chat - Stalin stood there a bust. And then, as in the famous wisdom. Shot in the past with a gun - it will respond from the gun.
        3. Kite
          Kite 23 September 2015 22: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          absolutely rait, right. under Stalin, industry rushed up

          Andrei, excavations at construction sites were dug by shovels and handcars were rolled. Do you know how much money was bought for new plants? (remember why trains with grain were going to Germany even on the morning when the war with Germany had already begun) The navels were torn apart, the ditches were dug, then the walls were built, and the equipment was bought for gold and grain. There was gold from the salaries of icons, and grain from collective farms was in the order collected. Or do you think that collective farms were commercial enterprises? Repeat this feat in exchange for oil trading?
    4. one
      one 23 September 2015 11: 04 New
      -1
      Quote: KAMLS
      That's all scolding the oil needle ...
      And where would we be if not for this needle ?! Would you rather live?
      Where would the money be taken to develop the defense industry? Especially after the Yeltsin devastation ...

      yeah ...
      be sure to say thanks to those who rob you and undress you to your underpants for leaving your shoes, or how you would get home!
      wassat
      if it weren’t for this oil needle, there would be no ruin!
      and those who brought it to this would long ago have been washed away by a wave of popular anger into the toilet bowl of history.
      hi
    5. Denbfrkas
      Denbfrkas 23 September 2015 11: 27 New
      +2
      and in Japan, the USSR also supplied machine tools for some positions.
    6. vidmid
      vidmid 23 September 2015 15: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: KAMLS
      That's all scolding the oil needle ...
      And where would we be if not for this needle ?! Would you rather live?

      The strange answer - an oil needle - is not oil revenues. but a characteristic of the economy.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 23 September 2015 06: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: Tartar 174
    Russia once did not depend on oil and gas exports, but rather developed until the Bolsheviks organized a revolution. Maybe our ministers need to return to hard land and we need to learn from them!

    Well, yes, under the tsar, they exported cars, tractors, and powers stood in line to build ships in Russian shipyards ... The Bolsheviks came and stopped sending the aforementioned for export ... My great-grandfather ... I wrote out agricultural equipment from the USA, it was cheaper and better. .
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 September 2015 06: 56 New
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      Well yes under the king

      history has changed, the system has changed, is the king's point to remember? let's start from the new history of Russia.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 23 September 2015 08: 06 New
        +3
        And can you name one tractor factory during the RI period ... Or one warship ordered from the RI by foreign powers .. Or a Russian car that foreigners stood in line for? .. I do not argue .. foreigners stood in line for Vologda oil. ..Right here Tatar 174wrote: Russia once did not depend on oil and gas exports .. depended on American petroleum products, they were cheaper .. like American equipment .. And your remark: the story has changed, the system has changed, does the tsar remember? let's start from the new history of Russia ... it’s better to redirect to Tatar 174..and I also notice that oil wells during the RI period belonged entirely to foreign campaigns .. The share of Russians was not large ..
  • parusnik
    parusnik 23 September 2015 06: 32 New
    +2
    Import substitution is just empty words.... So far, empty .. not immediately Moscow was built .. Although the author is right, the mess in the government is still the same ...
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 September 2015 08: 45 New
      +5
      So empty ... smile
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 September 2015 06: 33 New
    +9
    "somewhere in 2020, our half-blind government will finally make out those disadvantages of the commodity-trading model of the" development "of economies" - will our financial shamans see their light? - hardly

    Proposals to finance problems through retirement savings and simultaneous statements to continue the procurement of US treasurers speaks of the degree of abomination of "our" government ...

    Gumilev gave a clear definition of such a state - HIMERA!

    Drive to the neck with confiscation of property!
    1. 97110
      97110 23 September 2015 11: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      Drive to the neck with confiscation of property!

      Strongly disagree with the "drive." In addition to confiscation of property, an alternative service should be applied - care for hospice patients, for example. With the subsequent use of survival time in the same place. So that there was no temptation to withhold from confiscation something beyond the hill and to drive somewhere behind the hill, to the hidden. Humanists, you understand.
  • Cams
    Cams 23 September 2015 06: 47 New
    -3
    Quote: rait
    And where would we be if not for this needle ?! Would you rather live?


    If they wanted, it would be better. "No matter what you produce, it is important what you produce."

    Here is a very important point made by a comrade. It's all about us. They just work in China. And I have seen a lot of young people who want a big salary, but at the same time filing in production.
    As for the comments above that I don’t see, I see income from this needle. So dear, you understand a little.
    the fact is that taxes from this needle are used to upgrade equipment in factories, people get big salaries on new machines. From the state treasury oil bought new planes, tanks, ships, which we praise here in the comments. Well and so on.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 September 2015 07: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: KAMLS
      As for the comments above that I don’t see, I see income from this needle. So dear, you understand a little.

      and if the economy developed wisely, and not from the sale of hydrocarbons? and if not for the "apple" computers were all over the world, but with the label "made in Russia"? and not Chinese consumer goods were everywhere, but ours? and at gas stations fuel inside the country would cost a penny? how do you like that? But it could be.
      1. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 23 September 2015 09: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        and if the economy developed wisely, and not from the sale of hydrocarbons?

        It would be necessary to return oil prices to 11 $ / bar in order to develop "wisely"
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        and if not for the "apple" computers were all over the world, but with the label "made in Russia"

        Do not forget that in the West in the hands of the whole ball of technology and that they will not tolerate competition.
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        and not Chinese consumer goods were everywhere, but ours?

        Why did collectivization take place? Why scored on light industry?
        Why, why, why ...
      2. 97110
        97110 23 September 2015 11: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        But it could be.

        No, it could not. And you, Andrei Yurievich, know this very well. Why embarrass inexperienced youth? Because the economy is developing not according to the mind, but according to some other laws. The apple core jumped out of the garage during the heyday of IBM, whose OS had already been used by CMEA (EC-360 series machines, then the EU-370 series). It was necessary not to give up IBM, do your own? Need to. Not Chinese consumer goods, but ours everywhere? Sure. Gasoline 6 kopecks per liter? Easy, I still remember that (lemonade - 22 kopecks. 0,5 bottle). And as the apotheosis of all of the above, I remember perfectly the decorating empty shelves of the pyramid of packs of salt. Well, if the emperor was smart, the elites were also patriotic, tady of course. Since 1913, as they would have rushed, no arrogant Saxons would have caught up with us. And the Chinese would be trampled, and gasoline would be just free, but on coupons. And by world wars with such wise, in mind, control they would certainly have slipped by. And they would fly into space even further, even beyond Mars. And as our Tsar-Emperor turned out to be a saint, the revolution with godless liberals, whom then godless Bolsheviks fingernail, came in God's favor in Russia. And now everything is Chinese, even apples bitten by truth by Ukrainians.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 23 September 2015 16: 09 New
          +4
          No, it could not.
          here you are mistaken and mislead the younger generation. We each have our own Soviet Union. So, in the period from 1984 to 1987 we had classes on computer development. As you might imagine, computers were Soviet!
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 23 September 2015 19: 23 New
            -3
            Quote: Gardamir
            . As you might imagine, computers were Soviet!

            Well, what do you mean, to call a computer language does not turn. So - outlandish fun ... smile
          2. vidmid
            vidmid 23 September 2015 20: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: Gardamir
            We each have our own Soviet Union. So, in the period from 1984 to 1987 we had classes on computer development. As you might imagine, computers were Soviet!

            Well, apparently, therefore, on computers, the USSR has always been ahead of the rest.
      3. Cat man null
        Cat man null 23 September 2015 23: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        if the economy ... and if not for the "apple" computers ... not Chinese consumer goods ... domestic fuel would cost a penny ...

        "If only if" ..

        Quote: Andrew Y.
        But it could be.

        In a parallel universe, I guess? You very powerfully pushed back - already in the USSR there were persistent problems with the goods of group B, so the “computers” and “TNP” - rested 60 years ago ..

        About gasoline - found a cool little diagram, here is the link:

        http://ru.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

        The average price of gasoline (!) Now

        In Russia 0.56 killed raccoon per liter
        In the US 0.68
        In Belarus 0.77
        In Ukraine 0.88
        In China 0.99
        In Spain 1.35
        In France 1.50
        In Finland 1.62

        Maximum - in Hong Kong 1.90
        Minimum - Venezuela 0.02, Saudi 0.12, Libya 0.14, Kuwait 0.21

        So, if you count in bucks - the price is quite humane .. where you can only get so many of those bucksoff what
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 24 September 2015 00: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          So if you count in bucks
    2. Jarilo
      Jarilo 23 September 2015 07: 11 New
      -1
      From which treasury?
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    4. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 23 September 2015 07: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: KAMLS
      And I have seen a lot of young people who want a big salary

      A normal desire, you can’t create a family without a normal salary, you can’t feed it, and with the current devaluation these figures seem large, the purchasing power is just the opposite, in addition, the employer for the most part estimates the cost of labor of an employee based on his own benefit
      1. 97110
        97110 23 September 2015 11: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: rosarioagro
        in addition, the employer for the most part estimates the cost of labor of the employee based on their own benefits

        Cost of wage labor? Is this a new word in the political economy of capitalism? K. Marx spoke of salary as the PRICE of labor. It is based on the cost of production and reproduction of labor. And the capitalist (not the employer at all, but the exploiter, the bloodsucker) comes not from his own benefit, but from the price of labor existing on the labor market. When buying labor, trying to lower its price as much as possible. K. Marx wrote of course less tolerant. You managed to round the corners, and the exploitation of the proletariat, which has nothing but its chains, by the owner of the means of production, is bashful to designate as an advantageous purchase of wage labor by the employer.
  • engineer74
    engineer74 23 September 2015 06: 58 New
    +4
    “Next year, we have a significant amount of borrowing provided by the federal budget - 1 trillion rubles”,

    This is just 1000 "governors of Sakhalin", we have much more! What, mlyn, is the problem ?! what
  • 71rus
    71rus 23 September 2015 07: 16 New
    0
    "It is difficult to be a raw materials appendage" (c)
    In the words of my respected V.S. Vysotsky, "patience, psychopaths and clicks!"
    What is your income from export of mineral resources, 40, 50, 70%?
    According to the Federal Treasury of the Russian Federation no more than 20% - data for 2013.
    Source: http: //www.moluch.ru/
    1. Jarilo
      Jarilo 23 September 2015 07: 22 New
      +1
      And judging by how the ruble falls with the price of oil, that's all 100
      1. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 23 September 2015 09: 43 New
        -3
        Quote: Jarilo
        And judging by how the ruble falls with the price of oil, that's all 100

        We are also lucky that the ruble is weak - if the ruble was strong, the polar fox would come back in January of this year.
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    3. Mart
      23 September 2015 07: 26 New
      +1
      Here is the budget's dependence on oil and gas: http://www.vestifinance.ru/infographics/4003. But this is only oil and gas; Russia and other raw materials exports.
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 23 September 2015 09: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: Mart
        But this is only oil and gas; Russia and other raw materials export.

        All these stupid mantras about the "oil and gas needle" are already fed up. In the 90s, the industry was successfully killed - what better to live?
      2. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 23 September 2015 09: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Mart
        Here is the dependence of the budget on oil and gas: http://www.vestifinance.ru/infographics/4003. But this is only oil and gas; Russia and other raw materials export.

        In 2014, oil revenues fell by 40% compared to 2013.
        http://m.forbes.ru/news.php?id=296509
        1. Mart
          23 September 2015 09: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
          In 2014, oil revenues fell by 40% compared to 2013.
          http://m.forbes.ru/news.php?id=296509


          Actually, 2013 doesn't mention the year there. The data are for the first half of 2015 of the year:
          "The volume of Russian crude oil exports in value terms declined in January-June 2015 year by 2014% compared to the same period of 40,7 and amounted to $ 48,103 billion, follows from the materials of the Federal Customs Service (FCS)."
          In addition, it is in dollars. Try to estimate the "fallen income" in rubles. The budget is imposed in rubles.
          1. Das Boot
            Das Boot 23 September 2015 10: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Mart
            In addition, it is in dollars. Try to estimate the "fallen income" in rubles. The budget is imposed in rubles.

            yeah yeah, here in the formula for calculating the severance tax and it is proposed to carry a conversion adjustment. laughing GDP said: "Careful .." Let's see ...
    4. venaya
      venaya 23 September 2015 07: 49 New
      -3
      Quote: 71rus
      ... What is your income from the export of mineral resources, 40, 50, 70%?
      According to the Federal Treasury of the Russian Federation no more than 20% - data for 2013. ...

      It’s too late to drink barges ... Having collected 600 billion greens of debt and having lost the opportunity to restructure the debt, almost everything is spent on debt payments. Such is the technology and structure of the enslavement of all countries, not only Russia. The oil price level, here for simpletons, is a simple game to divert attention. Therefore, the councils and introduced a monopoly on financial loans from abroad. Paying for the games of others turns out all the same to the state, that is, to us.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 September 2015 10: 02 New
        +1
        600 billion dollars is not government debt.
        1. venaya
          venaya 24 September 2015 05: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          600 billion dollars is not government debt.

          Not state, and what's the point? Who will give?
          Private offices? And where will they get so much money?
          Yes, again, not only from us, but also from the year old, loopholes will be found. They have nowhere else to take. From the change of places of the terms the sum does not change in any way, you can not hope. Restructuring concerns not only state. debt, private banks all need to pay off.
    5. one
      one 23 September 2015 11: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: 71rus
      "It is difficult to be a raw materials appendage" (c)
      In the words of my respected V.S. Vysotsky, "patience, psychopaths and clicks!"
      What is your income from export of mineral resources, 40, 50, 70%?
      According to the Federal Treasury of the Russian Federation no more than 20% - data for 2013.
      Source: http: //www.moluch.ru/

      "where is the money, zin?"
      laughing
  • SERGEII
    SERGEII 23 September 2015 07: 24 New
    +5
    Steal a lot? No! There is a saying-simplicity is worse than theft. Here we have Medvedev and only cheeks pout and talk about hard-to-pronounce economic terms. Very smart guys, however. And how do they vang ... Yeltsin was falling apart? Not without it. But 15 years, the average per barrel is 100. And by and large there is not a single machine-tool plant, no machine-tool industry at all. External debt grew at this price for oil. There are no metallurgical plants with a complete redistribution and the whole range of products. Nobody needs our steel - we need it They have forgotten how to do it and there are already no specialists and chemists. So now there are achievements of that generation, but alas, not yours anymore. Our ministers are good at taking selfies. Yes, they don’t steal from us. You are mistaken. We have Rosfinmonitoring, the main instrument of the state for the movement of money. Already they will track it in such a way. We only monitor it at the final stage of the stage - everything is already redistributed.
  • Far
    Far 23 September 2015 07: 26 New
    0
    Cons-pluses are not set. But over the course of fifteen years, the topic of the "oil needle" has gotten, just like an infinite number of experts on this topic. Everyone knows and understands everything directly, but they don’t go to the village to grow piglets, but write articles.
  • evil partisan
    evil partisan 23 September 2015 07: 28 New
    0
    It is difficult to be a raw materials appendage
    Yes, yes, I agree. But this is only one side of the coin. But for completeness, I suggest Uv. hi O. Chuvakin to write an article on the topic (usl.): "Is it easy to be an importer of energy resources?" wink. And not by the example of countries that can influence the pricing of oil, gas and energy efficiency, but by the example of countries "second tier". Well, for example: Poland, Belgium, Finland or the third: the Baltic states, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia ... I’m not talking about Ukraine, but you can also talk about it ... sad
  • smershxnumx
    smershxnumx 23 September 2015 07: 33 New
    +5
    Quote: astronom1973n
    Yes, if you understand that there is enough money in the country! shake "thieves in the seats at the helm" and you see the budget is replenished!

    Of course there is money, it’s just nationwide from a small entrepreneur to Gazprom that taxes are paid only for the sake of visibility, and this is at least a few budgets of the country. This is where the loot lies. Why don’t they want to raise it? It's easier to look at the sky and raise prices everything. I was already sweating to survive and to tighten the belt, and probably 80% of such hard workers of survivors. As if these belts did not turn into strangleholds on poles.
    1. Far
      Far 23 September 2015 07: 46 New
      -1
      Is everything sad in Iceland too?
      1. Jarilo
        Jarilo 23 September 2015 08: 09 New
        -1
        Do not believe it, but still yes: The financial crisis in Iceland in 2008-2009.
    2. Das Boot
      Das Boot 23 September 2015 08: 51 New
      0
      Quote: smerx89
      taxes are paid only for the sake of visibility, and this is at least several of the country's budgets.

      yah? Neftyanka - 48% of the budget. Under the current “modernization” of mineral extraction tax, another 600bn will be knocked out of the oil industry. If you strain yourself, then you can still track a couple of hundred billion. Long investment of the oil industry? Yes tries they generally need ??? Only 7% of production is new deposits, the rest is still Soviet. Yes, and those are used with efficiency, from which the norgs would be horrified. TRIZ technologies? Yes, and they tries are not needed. What's there, the second West Siberia will wait - you see, the sanctions will be lifted, we’ll buy technology .... The Chinese have already bought shale technology from Amers - what’s the result? "The garnats of the wrong system." Does not work. And why do we need our own R&D? Let's chatter about the "raw curse" and the troubles of senior citizens. Deflate the bowels? It’s through us too ... it turns out, don’t you?
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 23 September 2015 08: 06 New
    +7
    "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down, everyone is not good at musicians."
    One thing must be clearly understood - with such an avant-garde in power, the country will come to nothing. These people not only do not know how, but still do not want to change anything. They hope to fill their personal moshna yet, while it is permissible yet, before it starts ...
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 23 September 2015 08: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Volzhanin
      One thing must be clearly understood - with such an avant-garde in power, the country will come to nothing.

      And what, sorry, are you going to do with this "clear awareness"? To write a statement in social security? Or LET tweet?
      Quote: Volzhanin
      Hope to still fill your personal moshna

      freshly. Is there a newer thought?
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 23 September 2015 08: 25 New
    +1
    Conscience - it’s like that ... It doesn’t torment those who should be tormented, but those who have it.
    1. anip
      anip 23 September 2015 09: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Conscience - it’s like that ... It doesn’t torment those who should be tormented, but those who have it.

      They compensate for their remorse with their salaries and an increase in dollar bills in foreign banks. And the more their torment of conscience, the more money they need to heal it. laughing
  • wild
    wild 23 September 2015 08: 30 New
    +2
    Get ready comrades for the next increase in gas prices, motivation oil expensive expensive gasoline than will be replaced ???
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 23 September 2015 08: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: wild
      Get ready comrades for the next increase in gas prices

      Getting ready? smile In my opinion, it has become a habit to see new prices!
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 23 September 2015 10: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Bayonet
        Getting ready? In my opinion, it has become a habit to see new prices!
  • Far
    Far 23 September 2015 08: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Volzhanin
    "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down, everyone is not good at musicians."
    One thing must be clearly understood - with such an avant-garde in power, the country will come to nothing. These people not only do not know how, but still do not want to change anything. They hope to fill their personal moshna yet, while it is permissible yet, before it starts ...

    You might think the new avant-garde that has grown over the past 25 years will be better than in 1917 or 1990.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 23 September 2015 08: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Bayonet
    and she is CHEAPING!

    It’s cheaper because it wasn’t mined only by idlers, at a price of 110-120 per barrel. With cheap oil, all small offices are closed due to unprofitability, large corporations maintain their market and take the market for small offices that have left it, so there will always be jumps so that none of the offices can straighten their backs. Isil also throws off the price, and of course the West is against us, so all this together forms the world oil prices. In general, this can not be described in a couple of applications smile
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 23 September 2015 20: 21 New
      0
      all this together forms world oil prices. ,,
      yes, the question is not eternal, where the money, zin, was built for 100, it was less than 50, we buy government bonds from those who want to ruin the country. At the same time, effective managers, they’re vanging, urgently raise the deadline retirement, then take a development strategy, again with the calculation of the arrival of import investment. where reliance on their own strength?
  • Far
    Far 23 September 2015 08: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: wild
    Get ready comrades for the next increase in gas prices, motivation oil expensive expensive gasoline than will be replaced ???

    Oh yeah. Earlier it was easier for the average person to defend the country.
  • Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 23 September 2015 08: 47 New
    -2
    Quote: Barboskin
    It’s badly developed, in a normal country, revolutions are not satisfied.


    How to say, how to say ...
    “The November issue of 1914 of the serious and popular American magazine The National Geographic Magazine, entirely devoted to Russia, was entitled“ Russia is a country of unlimited possibilities. ”In the 20th year of the reign of Nicholas II, the country reached an unprecedented level of material prosperity. consumed by the domestic market has doubled over the years.
    Cereal crop in 1913-1914 reached 40 billion pounds (at the beginning of the reign - about 20 billion), the country ranked first in the world in grain export: a quarter of Russian bread went abroad (for example, in 1913 the yield of main cereals was one third more than in Argentina , Canada and the USA combined).
    Deposits in state savings banks increased from 300 million in 1894 to 2 billion rubles. in 1913, accelerated growth in industrial production continued. Coal production has quadrupled over 20 years, manganese ore - five times, oil - two-thirds, cast iron has been smelted four times, and five times more copper.
    The fixed capital of the main engineering plants in three years (1911-1914) increased from 120 to 220 million rubles; the production of agricultural machinery since 1897 increased by 659%.
    Russia possessed half of the total world herd of horses, and the country's power supply in 1913 was achieved again only by 1970. Due to growing demand, the textile industry developed very quickly; the collection of Turkestan cotton increased six-fold and half-covered the needs of Russian manufactories.
    All this was reflected in the treasury incomes - without raising taxes, the budget reached 3,5 billion rubles. (1200 million at the accession of Nicholas II to the throne); over the pre-war decade, the excess of government revenues over expenditures amounted to 2 million rubles. The gold fund in comparison with 400 increased by 1894% and amounted to 146 25 tons. Before World War I, taxes in Russia were the lowest in the world; direct taxes were almost four times less than in France and Germany, and 664 times less than in England.
    Labor legislation at that time was the most progressive. US President Taft admitted that the Russian Emperor "created such perfect working legislation that no democratic state can boast of."


    That is why the United States and Britain with manic persistence pushed Japan to war with Russia, and only the mediocrity of Rozhdestvensky and Kuropatkin allowed her (Japan) to win this war. And then, S.I.Witte nullified the claims put forward to Russia "In this world of 1905, Russia escaped with minimal territorial losses - the southern part of Sakhalin Island. In addition, it ceded to the Japanese Port Arthur. Witte managed to get the Japanese side to refuse to pay military indemnities."
    1. Far
      Far 23 September 2015 08: 54 New
      0
      Also, do not forget to add general illiteracy among the peasantry here. This was one of the reasons for the collapse of the empire, just like the general literacy did not prevent the collapse of the USSR.
    2. Stelth1985
      Stelth1985 23 September 2015 09: 20 New
      -2
      Yes it is. But the most important loss in the collapse of the Empire is Faith!
    3. VEKT
      VEKT 23 September 2015 09: 58 New
      +1
      That's all good, but why foreign engines were put on the pride of domestic aviation by Ilya Muromets, this wonderful article does not respond. Territorial losses were minimal, but we also lost our interests in Korea.
      1. Stelth1985
        Stelth1985 24 September 2015 08: 12 New
        +1
        What do you think ... during the Union, too, was everything all right ??? The Union began to take shape completely as a state only with the advent of Stalin. And before him, what was happening in the country? You know? It is for these reasons that the 37th and 38th years later arose! It was the same with the Empire. Somewhere we surpassed the west, and somewhere hopelessly behind. And now also. I will give you such information ... if the memory serves me, in my opinion the Tambov Bank ... I need to clarify, I forgot ... already, when the Republic of Ingushetia collapsed, the liberal trash with the Pharisees exported gold from this bank WEEK. And this is only one branch. In RI there was a lot of gold. So the indicators do not lie. As for the remaining points, somewhere it’s good, and somewhere it’s very bad. So you should not denigrate either the Empire or the USSR. It is possible and necessary to denigrate the current erefiya, for IT can be called a country with a huge stretch. The country is formed by the people, and now there is no people, now there is a population. Neighboring dill is an indicative example. How many Ukrainians escaped when the war started there? That's right, about 2 lyamov. The rest are zombie fools or cowards, because they do not resist the enemy. Now transfer a similar scenario to our country, what will be the result? For example, if you are fucking in the western territories, then a good half of the population that lives there will rush to Siberia. Do you think they will be in arms to defend their homeland ??? You are mistaken. And this is precisely what determines the mass of people who live with us either as a people or a population. Therefore, the conclusion: the current erefiya is an infamous form of state. This is not the Empire or the USSR. If only because during the First World War there was a huge number of volunteers and during WWII ALL went to the front to defend their homeland. And now you think there will be millions of volunteers ??? I doubt very much! Everyone was corrupted, relaxed, turned into a bunch of nervous pederasts. The appearance of a corpse or blood becomes bad or faints. The strength of the country is in the PEOPLE, and now we have no people, and this is what I am trying to correct as far as my strength and capabilities are. And if my words will outrage you, then call me at least one city built from scratch in 25 years or some great accomplishment equal to, for example, the first person to go into space or the launch of the first artificial satellite or the construction of the Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric station ???

        For the Honor and Glory of the ancestors!
      2. Stelth1985
        Stelth1985 24 September 2015 08: 20 New
        +1
        And the fact that we had a lot of fun during the Russo-Japanese or World War I, dek ... Sorry, traitors and fools have always had enough. If not, then why did the USSR fall apart? So do not slander RI. The RI and the USSR were powerful superpowers, although they were called differently, but it was all that old, lost Russia, where I come from. And now I can’t call the current population akin to me, for everyone has tried to turn their backs on the past. Forget it. Territory, land, this is mine. It was and remains mine, but people are NOT. I have no desire to protect the scum, all kinds of polished pederast boys. I would rather see how they will eat the earth than I will help them. These are lost people. Not needed by the country.
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 23 September 2015 08: 53 New
    +1
    For how many years have passed since the crisis, but nothing has changed in the economy. Hey there, at the top, you think at least a little about the people and not just about your income. It’s already high time to change the oil needle to something more effective.
    1. Far
      Far 23 September 2015 09: 03 New
      +1
      Let’s drop your “soviet” mentality. Nobody will decide anything for society above. No orders from above will force you to create the domestic and stop praying for the import. However, this was clear to society in the "early" Union.
      1. anip
        anip 23 September 2015 09: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Far
        Nobody will decide for society above. No orders from above will force you to create the domestic and stop praying for the import.

        Belief in a good king-guarantor is indestructible.
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 23 September 2015 10: 28 New
          0
          Quote: anip
          Belief in a good king-guarantor is indestructible.

          huh, for some reason I remembered from von Luc’s memoirs that in 1941 they drove into a village near Vyazma to collect water in radiators, and the locals told them - How’s it that our Tsar’s father is doing?
          It’s probably lying that they explained for a long time who Stalin is and why they here smile
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 23 September 2015 08: 57 New
    +3
    Think about the meaning of what Russian leaders say:
    1) income is not enough, because oil price fell
    2) the price of oil fell, because demand is 3 times less than supply
    Ways to solve the problem:
    development of new oil fields, the problem is imported equipment and we can’t buy it, because sanctions and you need to find money in the budget for the purchase of equipment.
    AU, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY SAY ???
    If there is a surplus of oil on the market, an increase in oil production will worsen the situation and does not contribute to overcoming the crisis.
    The way out of the situation elsewhere is the development of the domestic market.
    The legislation provides for:
    taxes on the sale of goods VAT, this is mainly 18%,
    income tax -13%,
    social tax 30% on salaries up to 52 thousand per month and 10% on salaries> 52 thousand
    Demand in the domestic market is artificially limited by the low incomes of most citizens of the country, who, with increasing incomes, will buy more goods, while the increase in demand will be directed to goods produced in the country - food, clothing, shoes, construction materials - all that can be produced in the country.
    I was already wondering that up to 45% of taxes are returned to the treasury from the accrued wages of workers in the workplace, from the payment of social benefits -18% VAT, this is where the way out of the crisis lies.
    Previously, statistics provided for the calculation of the average salary two positions-management and working-enter such an account, because this is not only injustice, but mainly damage to the country's economy, when a dozen leaders of the organization receive the same amount, as many as two hundred other employees. Limit the salary of managers to 10 s / z for the enterprise.
    It is wrong that from high salaries only 10% of the social tax is paid - let the remaining 20% ​​also pay, but already in view of the increase in income tax.
    I am not talking about justice, but about the survival of the country.
    The Russian elite does not understand that if Russia finally turns into a colony, then they will become nobody, no one in the world will consider them equal partners — they will simply heat up this feeding trough, which they completely use, while Russia still has statehood.
    Only the people can protect the state, and for this to happen, it is necessary that the people live and develop. And for this it is necessary to stop making disenfranchised slaves from the people, it makes no sense to protect their oppressors.
    State Department promoters who dominate the country's leadership as a mantra follow the economic theory of the dominance of a country printing a dollar.
    So we hear:
    1) to overcome the crisis caused by an excess of oil in the market, it is necessary to increase oil production
    2) so that there is enough money in the treasury, it is necessary to reduce payments i.e. reduce domestic demand, which will reduce budget revenues.
    1. anip
      anip 23 September 2015 09: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: olimpiada15
      The Russian elite does not understand that if Russia finally turns into a colony, then they will become nobody, no one in the world will consider them equal partners — they will simply heat up this feeding trough, which they completely use, while Russia still has statehood.

      Do they need it? They will leave for the villas bought over the hill and will live on the stolen capital.

      Quote: olimpiada15
      So we hear:
      1) to overcome the crisis caused by an excess of oil in the market, it is necessary to increase oil production
      2) so that there is enough money in the treasury, it is necessary to reduce payments i.e. reduce domestic demand, which will reduce budget revenues.

      And there are several points that are not directly talked about, but which are being implemented: lower wages (absolute, real and so fall), higher prices, lower workers.
      True, they are veiled about these points, calling for "tightening their belts", "tolerate" and "show patriotism."
    2. Robinzon57
      Robinzon57 23 September 2015 19: 25 New
      +1
      Your post-answer to those who ask what to do? We have enough healthy people. It does not resolve itself. Thank you for the note.
  • Klim2011
    Klim2011 23 September 2015 09: 00 New
    +5
    Well, now tell the fairy tale once again how our great economists, having bought gold, will bring down the dollar in the world laughing
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 23 September 2015 09: 06 New
      +7
      Quote: Klim2011
      Well, now tell the fairy tale once again how our great economists, having bought gold, will bring down the dollar in the world laughing

      Vo-in, some also want to listen ....
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 23 September 2015 09: 01 New
    +3
    How much we did not say, but the role of the first person in Russia has always been higher than in other countries, she carried either a positive role - Ivan 3, Ivan the Terrible, Peter 1, Catherine the Great, Alexander 2, Alexander 3, Lenin, Stalin. Or negative. What role does the first person in the state have now, if everything is clear with foreign policy, then the domestic policy of the first person is completely failed, especially economics, personnel, ideology. The rotten eggs of the government, the economic bloc headed by the prime minister and two pipettes from the Central Bank, cannot and do not want to solve economic problems, they all have only two points of the program - the lifting of sanctions and rising oil prices, which indicates a complete lack of professionalism, which naturally leads to errors and miscalculations that affect the entire 147 million people in Russia, why the first person does not make decisions to remove them from power and management is puzzling for the majority of Russian citizens. It’s that we don’t surrender our own, it’s not at all clear that every day spent by these people in power hinders the development of the country and leads to impoverishment of the people. The president does not see this or does not want to see it, it is embarrassing to look at these CLOWNS, they cannot develop a clear, progressive policy for the development of the country, they stupidly and mediocre look in the ass of the Western economy, this economy has already shown all its "charm." If this continues to be the case, then it can be qualified as a crime against one’s PEOPLE and the RUSSIAN STATE, decisions must be made regarding these leaders, it’s enough to transfer the burden to ordinary people, the parasites must be destroyed.
  • avia1991
    avia1991 23 September 2015 09: 04 New
    +4
    The minister criticized the policy of creating financial reserves in previous years. In his opinion, deductions to reserves at the time of high oil prices were insufficient
    What nonsense, my goodness!
    It was not necessary to allocate to reserves - but to invest in the development of our own industry! Invest in the development of new technologies! ..
    And we are all the old fashioned way: "put it in a jar, put it in a jar! Let them lie on a rainy day .."
    Let me clarify the question, gentlemen: AND FOR WHOM THEY ARE Lying FOR THEM ?!
    1. Robinzon57
      Robinzon57 23 September 2015 19: 32 New
      0
      For bankers who are constantly being given trillions during a crisis. Which then invests this money in the resorts of the Mediterranean
  • Far
    Far 23 September 2015 09: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: Klim2011
    Well, now tell the fairy tale once again how our great economists, having bought gold, will bring down the dollar in the world laughing

    But what was really the task: to destroy the dollar with gold? Let the Fed deal with its dollar.
    1. anip
      anip 23 September 2015 09: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Far
      But what was really the task: to destroy the dollar with gold? Let the Fed deal with its dollar.

      Well, gold or not gold, but the cries of all economists and cheer-putriots that the "dollar will collapse soon" have been heard for 25 years.
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 23 September 2015 10: 31 New
        0
        Quote: anip
        that the "dollar will collapse soon" has been heard for 25 years.

        well, you turned it down, I think. Belief in the dollar shook slightly when China began to grow at 10% per year laughing
  • akudr48
    akudr48 23 September 2015 09: 11 New
    +3
    When Capello ran the Russian football team, after losing to another yard team, my friend, who once played and owns near-football information, said that if you remove this Don Fabio and put any other in the post of chap. coach, the team will start to win.

    What happened.

    So are these very tired luminaries of liberal economic thought and looting, the Ulyukaevs, Naibulins, Siluanovs, and other chuibas to the accompaniment of management giants such as Dvorkovich, they are like Don Fabio in the Russian economy.

    It’s time to drive them from there and it will be better right away.

    What has not happened yet.
    1. Far
      Far 23 September 2015 09: 16 New
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      Let’s put Aunt Zina from the pie in the Central Bank. She definitely knows how to count money. laughing
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 23 September 2015 10: 41 New
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        Quote: Far
        Let’s put Aunt Zina from the pie in the Central Bank. She definitely knows how to count money. laughing
    2. Das Boot
      Das Boot 23 September 2015 11: 39 New
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      Quote: akudr48
      When Capello ran the Russian football team ... my friend ... said that if you remove this ... and put any other ... then the team will start to win.
      So these very tired luminaries of liberal economic thought ....

      It’s time to drive them from there and it will be better right away.

      Yes, there are two things that everyone understands - football and economics. Moreover, the recipes for success are similar - to disperse, to recruit new ones - it's in the hat.
  • anip
    anip 23 September 2015 09: 19 New
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    Well, again, oil, oil, the price of it. Money is invested in a fictitious idiotic stabilization fund, import substitution is considered in the context of the construction and repair of oil drilling platforms ... What other evidence is needed for cheers of Utriots that the Russian economy is a real raw material economy, that Russia is an oil, almost banana, republic? True, bananas, unlike oil, do not decrease, bananas are a renewable product. As for the delusional stabilization fund, it wasn’t better, was it possible to build factories with this money? So there would be a real stabilization fund, industrial, and not paper.
    1. Kite
      Kite 23 September 2015 23: 25 New
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      One small but tricky question: Money you to build a "candle" factory should be given? To the factory - your wife? Do not take this only as a personal challenge, you are mentioned only to try on the situation for yourself. How many options for the future can you imagine?
  • DOBROCOT
    DOBROCOT 23 September 2015 09: 36 New
    +2
    Russia is the power of unshorn knives.
  • mihasik
    mihasik 23 September 2015 10: 26 New
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    And now the time has come for sanctions, and immediately there were problems everywhere. They affect today; they will affect in the future.

    But what about screams, squeals to snot: "We e..or your sanctions!"? Maybe e..t need not sanctions, but the Government of the Russian Federation?
  • Horn
    Horn 23 September 2015 10: 27 New
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    In Britain, the speaker sits on a bag of fleece, which was a symbol of Britain’s well-being in the era of fencing and “textile wars”. Sits literally. Booty on the bag.
    It would be necessary for our Siluanovs and other effective menagers and ingenious Greco-Kudrinomists to literally seize on what, in their opinion, is a symbol of Russia's well-being. In a barrel of oil. And bring gas to the trunk to breathe deeply.
    And they will want to get out of the barrel - pzhlst, only first "take Russia off the oil needle": untie the economy and finances from the oil industry and the dollar.
    The real economy needs to be developed, money should be invested not in virtual speculative projects, but in long-term industries requiring a long ruble. We must work not on a foreign land, but on YOUR country! And if for Silvanovyz "own" country is not Russia, then a kick in the ass and a happy flight!
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 23 September 2015 11: 42 New
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      Quote: Horn
      In Britain, the speaker sits on a bag of fleece, which was a symbol of Britain’s well-being in the era of fencing and “textile wars”. Sits literally. Booty on the bag.
      It would be necessary for our Siluanovs and others

      and in Australia I saw globes on sale, on which Antarctica is on top ... Maybe something to turn over to try?
      1. Horn
        Horn 23 September 2015 12: 38 New
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        I wouldn’t turn the globe over, but I could put Siluanov on a barrel or a barrel of oil ...
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 23 September 2015 13: 12 New
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          Quote: Horn
          put siluanov on a barrel or in a barrel of oil ...

          Quote: Horn
          first, "remove Russia from the oil needle":

          Quote: Horn
          The real economy needs to be developed

          Quote: Horn
          and in long-term, requiring a "long ruble" industry.

          again these mantric meditations. Do not worry about the “needle” - the oil industry will be killed at such a pace. So the jump from the needle will be accompanied by a sickly fragility. Just something, I doubt about investments with long rubles in any case. Because the Democrats have the well-known thesis "Until the foundation and then ..." in terms of the first part was much better than the commies. They at least started "... and then", albeit in their own way, but still ... And mother oil, by the way, helped them a lot in this.
          1. Horn
            Horn 24 September 2015 08: 51 New
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            Besides the mantra that the "oil needle" is a pipe with oil, do you know anything?
            An oil needle, for those who are not very smart, is not a pipe with oil. And not even oil platforms and wells with derricks. An oil needle is the dependence of the ruble exchange rate on the price of oil. An oil needle is the obligation of our Central Bank to ask the United States for permission to issue rubles. And the obligation to issue no more than the availability of green cut paper.
            And the “long ruble” means funds that are not beaten off 15 minutes after their investment, as in resale (speculation) of what you did not produce, as in the food and light industry, and finally, funds invested in industries that will give a return on long-term perspective (heavy industry, mechanical engineering). This can be afforded only by an independent state, which we, by and large, are not.
  • 56_br
    56_br 23 September 2015 10: 39 New
    +2
    How pale our modern ministers look on the background of the Soviet Ministers, who managed to raise our Country BEFORE and after the Second World War to the very top of the world economy without oil and gas money.
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 23 September 2015 10: 41 New
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    Competent and interesting article. The author intelligently substantiated and analyzed the problem. Oleg, thanks, it was interesting.
    good
  • valokordin
    valokordin 23 September 2015 11: 05 New
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    Quote: 56_br
    How pale our modern ministers look on the background of the Soviet Ministers, who managed to raise our Country BEFORE and after the Second World War to the very top of the world economy without oil and gas money.

    So ministers in the USSR did not steal, since the current ones (and under I.V. Stalin, like he himself, did not steal at all) therefore there was money in the budget. And if these are stolen, who allows them to steal or not for 37 years. Oh, I'm afraid we’ll go to the bottom, and these both ate and stole and will be so. And People is seizing everything, if only there would be no war.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 23 September 2015 11: 46 New
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      Quote: valokordin
      Duc ministers in the USSR did not steal

      and on the ground? Any Medunov and others? Do not about the "do not steal." They were afraid, but they stole. I believe children.
      Quote: valokordin
      Oh, I'm afraid to go to the bottom

      we’ll break through the bottom and roll further. More optimism, friend!
    2. mihasik
      mihasik 23 September 2015 12: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: valokordin
      Oh, I'm afraid we’ll go to the bottom, and these both ate and stole and will be so.

      Therefore, the country has a tendency to restore the monuments of I.V. To Stalin. Well, behind the monuments ... I would have thought at the place of the officials.
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 23 September 2015 12: 19 New
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        Quote: mihasik
        Monuments I.V. To Stalin. Well, behind the monuments ... I would have thought at the place of the officials.

        pralna - they are thoughtful and, in view of the looming prospects of an intimate acquaintance with a chainsaw friendship, they will begin to saw the improvised loot with redoubled energy.
  • veksha50
    veksha50 23 September 2015 11: 26 New
    +2
    "it is reported that by 2020 the shortage of spare parts for drilling platforms may amount to more than 150 thousand units per year. Analogs of foreign equipment are practically not produced in Russia. Example: on the Prirazlomnaya Arctic platform, the share of Russian equipment is less than 10%. And according to the above the data mentioned by Erkov, in the exploration on the shelf the share of Russian equipment is now less than 1%! "...

    Mdaaaaa ... You read, and the hair on the bald head stands on end ...

    Was such a situation possible in the USSR ???

    To get drunk or something ... So you can’t help this matter ...

    PS It’s not the wild west that spread rot and destroys Russia, but the “dear” dealers-egoists-corruptionists, simply speaking-a thief who burst into power !!!
    1. Denbfrkas
      Denbfrkas 23 September 2015 11: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: veksha50
      "it is reported that by 2020 the shortage of spare parts for drilling platforms may amount to more than 150 thousand units per year. Analogs of foreign equipment are practically not produced in Russia. Example: on the Prirazlomnaya Arctic platform, the share of Russian equipment is less than 10%. And according to the above the data mentioned by Erkov, in the exploration on the shelf the share of Russian equipment is now less than 1%! "...

      Mdaaaaa ... You read, and the hair on the bald head stands on end ...

      Was such a situation possible in the USSR ???

      To get drunk or something ... So you can’t help this matter ...

      PS It’s not the wild west that spread rot and destroys Russia, but the “dear” dealers-egoists-corruptionists, simply speaking-a thief who burst into power !!!

      Under the USSR, there wasn’t anything in the USSR that produced everything from baby pacifiers to space rockets.
  • 1234567890
    1234567890 23 September 2015 11: 30 New
    +3
    Citizen Ulyukaev has long been time to introduce Comrade Makarov, who is without a muffler. This is an old Gaidar eater. And officials of the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economy - at a minimum - take away diplomas, confiscate everything that has been acquired through overwork, give out a broom and a shovel and send it to the streets. If all the nonsense from the offices to push public utility work, no guest workers in Moscow will not be needed.
  • veksha50
    veksha50 23 September 2015 11: 31 New
    +2
    "If sanctions continue in the coming years, the oil industry will suffer additional damage due to equipment failure: foreign components will be sorely missed ..."

    And we have a factory that previously worked halfway around the world and supplying heavy shut-off valves for both the oil industry and gas industry, have almost been killed ... And methodically finished off ... There is nothing left ...

    And the Chinese occupied its niche with its cheaper, BUT (!!!) unreliable and low-quality products ...

    And at the same time, wild joyful cries are heard about import substitution ...

    Who benefits from this ??? !!! I have no words...
  • loaln
    loaln 23 September 2015 11: 32 New
    +1
    "... our half-blind government will finally make out those disadvantages of the commodity-trading model of the" development "of the economy that Russian financial officials and oil and gas top managers continue to focus on today."
    Is the government semi-blind? We still have to see. Moreover, in the same scenario, the dollar rules over everything.
    Let's start from the stove. Oil is our national wealth and, even, perhaps our national treasure. Deposits were given to private traders for a “freebie”, as if for “effective exploitation”.
    It remains to find out in whose interests?
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 23 September 2015 17: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: loaln
      "Our half-blind government will finally make out the disadvantages of the commodity-trading model of the" development "of the economy that Russian financial officials and oil and gas top managers continue to focus on today."

      Our government is not half-blind, but anti-Soviet in the full sense of the word. They have Soviet power, even its positive aspects cause a gnash of teeth, they better kill the country than return the socialist model of the economy — this is their logic — the logic of gangster capitalism a.
  • loaln
    loaln 23 September 2015 11: 46 New
    +3
    Read more.

    The benefit is always in profit. How is it distributed? Taxes (and other cosmetic deductions) in rubles to the state. Dollars are sold partly to the state, with a profit, obviously already under another article.
    All other profits go to shareholders. But they scream, they need investments. For the purchase of technologies and equipment (the lion's share - abroad). And they are constantly asking the state to help in this matter (is it not for the purpose of taking away those tax deductions that were given to him?).
    What is the output? Shareholders in chocolate, the state (people), have a donut hole. No, a stub whose size is changing. Depending on the satiety of the shareholders.
    The circle is closed. Remained the cries of the industry (private) about the lack of investment. Just in case.
    So, in this algorithm, Russia is not a raw materials appendage. She is a servant. Whom? Decide for yourself.
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  • dmb
    dmb 23 September 2015 12: 03 New
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    I am eager to understand, but it doesn’t work, what is the discussion about? After all, liberals from the Government and the Central Bank from the "patriots" from the same Government and Administration differ only in that everyone goes to the bathhouse in his company (and even then not always). Their goal is absolutely the same; first of all, their well-being and their immediate surroundings. This is the law of capitalism through which you simply cannot jump. Glazyev and Shoigu are the same advocates of the interests of big capital as Ulyukaev and Kudrin. Therefore, even if tomorrow Putin decides that he is Stalin (as the most foolish fellow citizens dream without reason), he will only be in his methods, and not at all for his purposes, and he will protect the interests of the ruling class, and not the interests of these near-fellow citizens.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 23 September 2015 12: 23 New
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      Quote: dmb
      I am trying to understand, but it doesn’t work, what is the discussion about?

      so ....
      1937 - sitting, scolding the government (in a whisper). We are sitting.
      1953 - we sit, scolding the government (still in a whisper). We are sitting.
      1964 - sitting, scolding the government (already louder). Do not sit.
      1978...1985...1991...2000...2005...
      2015 - sitting, scolding the government (loudly and with expression). We’re not going to sit down.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 23 September 2015 20: 38 New
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        2015 - sitting, scolding the government (loudly and with expression). We’re not going to sit down. ,,
        at the same time, some receive subsidies of billions, they buy yachts in millions of green, they are not going to board.
  • Tektor
    Tektor 23 September 2015 12: 07 New
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    "And one more, the so-called basic scenario, according to which it will be necessary to calculate the budget. It differs between the two ministries: the Ministry of Economic Development believes that in 2016 the average annual oil price will be $ 50 per barrel, the Ministry of Finance - which is $ 45 per barrel."
    It seems to me that if we put in the draft budget the price of a barrel of 50, the states and saudas will achieve its average price of 45, simply out of harm. Therefore, I propose to put in the budget the average price for the year at $ 55 per barrel (and execute it at the rate of $ 50), this fits with plans to strangle shale companies. KVM, the average price cannot fall below $ 40.
  • Crown
    Crown 23 September 2015 12: 41 New
    +2
    How old are they talking about the construction of new factories, ships, but we are also sitting on energy resources.
  • soratnik
    soratnik 23 September 2015 12: 59 New
    +3
    The long life of Russia in the form of a “raw materials appendage” of the West has led to the fact that the budget is constantly being made up taking into account world oil prices. Oil becomes cheaper - the budget is thinning, oil becomes more expensive - there is a surplus in the budget, and money goes to the reserve fund.


    A year ago, it was clear even to the "stupid" McCain who called Russia "a gas station with missiles," then everyone was very offended, probably because he was absolutely right. Now we are starting to reap the results of Putinomics, which consisted of sitting on an oil pipe and, instead of investing in the development of our economy, support the US economy with our petrodollars.
    For the past year, I have been convincing the local public that the Russian government is assembled from stupid parasites which in other countries would have been dispersed long ago. They call themselves economists, although they would not even be accepted as accountants in a decent Western company. But here they meet the basic requirement for Russian officials - personal loyalty, and knowledge of the issue that should provide is absolutely not necessary, like the presence of brains. Instead of starting to stimulate the economy and carry out currency regulation, these liberals look as if spellbound by the oil price tag and constantly chant mantras about lowering oil prices. It has long been clear that experienced economists even in adverse economic conditions find ways to save the economy (remember the Primakov-Maslyukov government), and these can only sit on the oil pipe and spend free petrodollars. When, finally, this Kremlin goose will understand that he has gained mediocrity that will ruin the country ?! It seems that he is either deaf or dumb.