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Russian military will have to tip ISIS into the desert

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Russian military will have to tip ISIS into the desertTalking about the possible participation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the battles in Syria within the framework of the international coalition is the most important topic of recent days. At the same time, any analogies with Afghanistan are irrelevant here - other targets, other allies, another tactic. It remains to determine how much responsibility the Russian army can assume in order to destroy ISIS for good.


Already at the first stage - goal setting - the American military machine made a strategic mistake. They perceived ISIS as an army-organized system that can be defeated by targeting key points and positions as defined by the CIA. It quickly became clear that ISIS had no permanent strategic points, as well as supply systems. Moreover, the military structure of the grouping itself does not involve the formation of a united front, and the terrain only contributes to this. The main strategic force of ISIS turned out to be its chaotic nature: their battle groups are able to move quickly across desert or semi-desert territory, while they can capture settlements only with the help of incessant terror.

We all went through it. First, several militant groups penetrate into the settlement, which arrange large-scale terrorist acts, mainly using suicide bombers (people are not a problem). Then, the idea of ​​what will be much worse, if not surrender, is conveyed to the population of the city or to its elite. To demonstrate the determination held public executions. After that, the city, as a rule, surrenders itself. For the entire two year history ISIS only one settlement was taken by assault: the Kurdish Mosul, which would not surrender under any circumstances. The then commander of the ISIL troops in the Iraqi direction, Tarkhan Batirashvili, captured the city along with the warehouses of the American military equipment, which was left to the government forces of Iraq.

With all this, quite recently it was widely believed that the system that ISIS installs in the occupied territories is supposedly welcomed by the local population, tired of corruption and other Eastern evils, as well as the administrative horrors of the American occupation system. This point of view was supported by some Russian commentators. An exceptionally cannibalistic regime with its monstrous public executions and frankly anti-Islamic rhetoric (a vivid example - an order to destroy the Kaaba) was perceived as a reaction to American expansion, which greatly distorted the picture of the world. The reality turned out to be worse than predicted, although a certain idealistic veil is still preserved around the grouping, since anti-American rhetoric is now captivating many.

But back to the front. Hold a solid front ISIS is not able to even in the desert zone. Tactics based on the rapid movement of mobile groups without heavy equipment, based only on "technicals" - the old Toyota pickups with machine guns mounted on them, work only where there is no adequate response. Driving from the air in the desert for each pickup can afford Israel in Gaza, where such operations are rare and, as a rule, are based on accurate intelligence data. In continuous mode, this means pouring from empty to empty. In place of the bombed group, a new one will appear - and so on to infinity. Without a ground operation in a territory already controlled by ISIS, it cannot be defeated.

The heavily populated territory of ISIS is in principle incapable of controlling. To keep a large city, ISIS must either completely deprive its population (Palmyra, Dar az-Zor), or dramatically increase the size of its army. Now it can be estimated at 30 thousand permanent personnel with a potential willingness to mobilize up to 200 thousand. The quality of the mobilized is very low, but for the kind of military operations that ISIS prefers, so much is not needed. Another thing is that among these peasants there are not and cannot be military specialists. Therefore, the huge arsenals that ISIS either captured in Iraq, or simply received in Syria, when it was still part of the anti-Assad coalition, are useless - in these Tanks no one to plant. The core of the ISIS army will still be fanatics, the number is unlikely to exceed the line of 30 thousand people. Zealots - piece goods.

Not being able to control the front and large populated areas, ISIL exposes the units that are more successfully coping with such tasks in front of themselves on problem areas. For example, "Front al-Nusra." They work "laying" between the government forces of Syria and the volatile detachments of ISIS. At the same time, the group is forced to keep a significant part of the “tested” fanatical units in the rear: to protect the concentration camps for the “infidels”, to maintain order in the occupied territories, to impose their style and way of life.

In such an environment, the main danger is not so much part of ISIS, as the same “Al-Nusra” and others like it. These people imagine what regular combat operations are, front, street fighting, although in reality they have not met with an adequate adversary. If we seriously talk about the possibility of the participation of the Russian armed forces in battles on the territory already controlled by ISIS, the priority will be to identify those key points where it will be possible to overturn the enemy into the desert. And already there to wage a war of annihilation.

Simply put, positional battles, including in the urban zone, will remain on the shoulders of the Syrian government army. They are already accustomed to them and, despite the losses, achieved significant success. This is their job. Yes, heavy, dusty, but in the end, this is their homeland, for which they are fighting. They can be helped only by a quick rearmament, by the delivery of new armored vehicles, which, according to a number of data, has already begun. The absence of global breakthroughs of the government army has recently been directly connected precisely with the loss of an armored vehicle fleet without adequate compensation.

But the counterattacking actions that could have knocked ISIL into the desert are precisely in the powers and capabilities of parts of the international coalition, including the Russian military. And the war should be fought not so much for the territory (well, ISIS captured the whole desert - what does it do to it?), But rather to destroy the enemy, no matter how cruel it sounds. The core, core of the ISIS army consists of fanatics living in a parallel universe. They cannot be defeated by seizing a key point, the capital (they don’t even have it, for the whole world is a future caliphate) or by undermining their economic base. They can only be destroyed by tearing out the natural basis of fanatics from under ISIS. This is sad, yes. But this is the only option.
At the same time there is no need to control the settlements - the local people organize themselves. In Iraq, they will recreate the old regime on the principle of "as under Saddam, but without Saddam." In Syria, the government system will return, which, judging by the words of Bashar al-Assad, has long been ripe for certain changes, for example, in the Kurdish question. The Europeans and Russia are not obliged to participate in the sweeps and the restoration of statehood in the former territories of ISIL, these are local problems. Especially since leaving the “Russian garrison” (conditionally) in each village in an absolutely hostile environment would be a dead-end Afghan option. There is no question of this here. The situation in Syria is a little like the Afghan one.

The functions and tasks of the coalition army, if it includes Russian units, will consist of a series of breakthrough attacks in the direction of the desert from the Damascus area along two or three divergent directions and further pursuit of the enemy. Iraq is the responsibility of the United States. And the region of Iraqi Kurdistan is theoretically and could become the boundary of the division of responsibility.

There is no point in expecting serious military resistance in precisely those areas that are specifically controlled by ISIS. As for “Al-Nusra”, it is enough to surround and isolate them - an ideal way to deal with fortified areas in urban environments.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 22 September 2015 05: 43 New
    +6
    Russian military will have to tip ISIS into the desert
    radicals captured a third of the territory of Syria, it may turn out a new Afghanistan. I hope that support for Assad will be only from the air. what
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 22 September 2015 05: 57 New
      +27
      old pickups "Toyota
      And a few hundred brilliant new Tayot not seen?
      And what, old?


      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 06: 12 New
        +10
        Quote: Sid.74
        Hundreds of brilliant new tayots not seen?
        And what, old?

        And not only new toyots. In the video, the truth is Al Nusra or some other clowns embodying the will of Allah on earth.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 22 September 2015 08: 27 New
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In the video, the truth is Al Nusra or some other clowns embodying the will of Allah on earth.
          Something Abramsov and Bradley in this column can not be seen, solid T-72 and BMP. Explicitly squeezed from the Syrian army, the Iraqi long ago switched to Western models of armored vehicles. Which leads to the question: is the Syrian army so good if it surrenders working equipment to bearded ones? Either they do not know how to fight, or they do not timely identify in their midst those who are in collusion with the bearded, and it is not clear what is worse.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 08: 42 New
            +6
            Quote: Nagan
            Something Abramsov and Bradley in this column can not be seen, solid T-72 and BMP. Explicitly squeezed from the Syrian army, the Iraqi long ago switched to Western models of armored vehicles.

            Yes, I went first Iraqi, and then from Iraqi to ISIS wassat
            1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
              Uncle VasyaSayapin 22 September 2015 09: 10 New
              +1
              ISIS tanks will not help. If ours cast doubt on ISIS’s success in Syria, the US will send ISIS to other countries, and in Turkey they will support the Kurds or negotiate with the Russian Federation
            2. Revolver
              Revolver 22 September 2015 09: 51 New
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              and then from Iraq to ISIS

              And they burned these "Abrams", dancing around like Papuans. The technique is too complicated for them, they can’t cope. And the T-72 is simple and unpretentious, just right for these blockheads. Diesel is not a turbine, you can not service it for a long time, but it will still work, and the quality of the fuel is not so demanding.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 10: 25 New
                0
                Quote: Nagan
                And they burned these "Abrams", dancing around like Papuans.

                Psaki said laughing
              2. ssergn
                ssergn 22 September 2015 12: 04 New
                +1
                Yes, and multi-fuel (emnip).
            3. Lelek
              Lelek 22 September 2015 17: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes, I went first Iraqi, and then from Iraqi to ISIS


              Iraqis bought from staffers at the same price and sold to ISIS 20-30% more expensive - walrus in your pocket. GRACE (your mother).
          2. Oleg14774
            Oleg14774 22 September 2015 09: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: Nagan
            Explicitly depressed from the Syrian army,

            And didn’t you think about the countries of the former Warsaw Pact?
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 22 September 2015 10: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Oleg147741
              And didn’t you think about the countries of the former Warsaw Pact?

              They did not even have any words for the “brothers”. Again, Russian satellites fly, watch. If some thread Poles-Romanians and various other Bulgarians shipped at least one tank to the caliphate, Moscow would probably not be silent. Or no longer fly?what
          3. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 22 September 2015 11: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: Nagan
            Something Abramsov and Bradley in this column can not be seen, solid T-72 and BMP. Explicitly squeezed from the Syrian army, the Iraqi long ago switched to Western models of armored vehicles.

            I didn’t switch. And I tried to partially switch.
            In 2005, 77 new T-72M1 tanks were delivered to the new Iraqi army from American military funding from the Hungarian armed forces, bought by the American intermediary company Defense Solutions and repaired at the Hungarian armored vehicle repair plant CURRUS in Godollo.

            From 2010 to 2013, Iraq received 146 modernized M1A1M Abrams tanks from the presence of the US Army, and in December 2014 the Pentagon notified the forthcoming delivery of another 175 modernized M1A1 tanks from Iraq.

            But with the start of big fights, she quickly returned to Soviet technology:
            "According to the Czech web resource aktualne.cz on February 6, 2015, the Czech company Excalibur Army (part of the Excalibur Group) will soon begin to supply the Iraqi army with repaired T-72 tanks and BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicles from the Czech army. The first batch of T-72 and BMP-1 tanks has already been repaired, accepted by Iraqi representatives and is ready for shipment at the company's facility in Sternberk. "

            Source - Learn bmpd.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 22 September 2015 09: 06 New
          +10
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And not only new toyots. In the video, the truth is Al Nusra or some other clowns embodying the will of Allah on earth.

          And this is what ultimately turns out with them. laughing

          I already posted this video. hi
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 22 September 2015 10: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            And so what’s the result with them

            Syrian pilot? I doubt however. If there was anything Syrian, it was only freshly painted identifications on this SU-24, and the pilot probably was called Li Xi-tsin, or how to portray this with an Arabian accent? Because the logical question arises: where before the intervention of the Russian Federation were Syrian pilots and "Syrian" SU-24?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 22 September 2015 10: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: Nagan
              Syrian pilot? I doubt however.

              But am I not talking about the same thing? wink
              Quote: Nagan
              and the pilot probably was called Xi-ching, or how to portray this with an Arabian accent?

              Well, why not a Syrian pilot? laughing
              Quote: Nagan
              where before the intervention of the Russian Federation were Syrian pilots and "Syrian" SU-24?

              Somewhere at the airfields in Domna or in the Crimea in the Guards wink
        3. Dmitry 2246
          Dmitry 2246 22 September 2015 11: 56 New
          +2
          Good company tactical group.
          Tank platoon, 6 BMP-1, MTLB and closes the "Shilka".
          Able to act independently and in the overall design of the battle.
          This is not a gang for cars.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 September 2015 06: 14 New
        +3
        anyone interested in the warring "Toyota" I recommend a reference ... yes http://navoine.info/toyota-halifat.html
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 22 September 2015 06: 27 New
          +23
          How simple is it that the author of ISIS has a relatively small gang on old Toyota ... what then does Assad’s army surrender city after city? moreover, well-trained and with combat experience, the article seems to cheer
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 22 September 2015 06: 58 New
            +11
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            What then does the Assad army surrender the city behind the city?

            On the other hand, different groups of 1000 are fighting against Assad’s army, Israel and the USA strike the Assad army. Turks strike the Kurds in Syria. And in the cities where the “friends” of Syria are bombing, the exodus begins gorod.Vo and everything.
            Assad now controls the territory where about 80% of the population lives. Most of the desert parts of the country are lost.
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 22 September 2015 07: 04 New
            +8
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            How simple is it that the author of ISIS has a relatively small gang on old Toyota ... what then does Assad’s army surrender city after city?

            Everything is confused there ... That Bedouin for Assad, then for ISIS ...
            East is a delicate matter
            But the author is right in the sense that the ISIS army does not represent such a military force that can be compared with the Army of the same Syria in the years of state stability.
            ISIS "banks" in the collapsed Syria and Iraq.
            But tank and air strikes are not a panacea at all. Although they are also needed.
            The main thing is to deprive ISIS of the material foundation and give hope to the population for the restoration of a calm peaceful life.
            Money is the driving force of war. Where is ISIS taking them? Is it really impossible to pinpoint? The overseas “fighters against terrorism” and their vassals would like to do this, would have done so long ago.
            1. andj61
              andj61 22 September 2015 08: 17 New
              +3
              Quote: Alekseev
              Money is the driving force of war. Where is ISIS taking them? Is it really impossible to pinpoint? The overseas “fighters against terrorism” and their vassals would like to do this, would have done so long ago.

              In Iraq, only one bank seized a half of the lard, they sell oil, sponsors are again in Saudi Arabia, for example.
              Amerikosy only mean fighting ISIS, but do not fight at all. request
              1. 97110
                97110 22 September 2015 09: 08 New
                +1
                Quote: andj61
                In Iraq, only one bank seized a half of the lard, they sell oil, sponsors are again in Saudi Arabia, for example.

                And all in cash? Or does bank transfer normally spin? Then, like 2 fingers on a tanker, the US eyes its eyes.
                1. andj61
                  andj61 22 September 2015 09: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: 97110
                  And all in cash?

                  It was in cash - that was a year ago.
                2. ssergn
                  ssergn 22 September 2015 13: 28 New
                  +2
                  Bank transfer, let's say. Problem? Not at all. Available cashless accounts on correspondent accounts can be dispersed in a couple of minutes to the necessary counterparties - offshore, then again offshore, and again offshore. Crushed. And then, either the railway physicists will pay cash, or, again, by bank transfer, they will finance what is needed. This, of course, is exaggerated, but it seems to be true. In the world of electronic money, this is not a problem. Even if the special services have time to track and intercept something, then not all.
                  Something like that. hi
            2. Lelek
              Lelek 22 September 2015 17: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Alekseev
              Money is the driving force of war. Where is ISIS taking them? Is it really impossible to pinpoint? The overseas “fighters against terrorism” and their vassals would like to do this, would have done so long ago.


              IMHO ISIS takes money from the same "fighters against terrorism" (secretly, of course). And yet, it seems to me that if we get involved in the war with ISIS, then the states and their henchmen will immediately declare the terrorists fighters for democracy and will begin to help them openly, as was already the case in Afghanistan.
          3. Altona
            Altona 22 September 2015 09: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            How simple is it that the author of ISIS has a relatively small gang on old Toyota ... what then does Assad’s army surrender city after city? moreover, well-trained and with combat experience, the article seems to cheer

            --------------------
            Nothing is said about ISIS financing, but the Yankees could well have worked with closing the financing tap ... But, see, they don’t consider this their task ... Leaving their "child" without bread ...
        2. solovald
          solovald 22 September 2015 09: 44 New
          0
          Good reference, thanks. I read it, very exciting.
      3. Babr
        Babr 22 September 2015 06: 15 New
        +1
        Three versions: What is an Islamic state?
        I bow to the third. This is a media phantom.
      4. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 22 September 2015 06: 45 New
        +8
        Toyota official sponsor of the IG fleet.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 22 September 2015 11: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: Scandinavian
          Toyota is the official sponsor of the IG fleet.

          Toyota has been making free advertisements for all sorts of "freedom fighters" for a long time smile

          There is even a term - Toyota War, which appeared already in the 80s of the last century (the last stage of the conflict between Chad and Libya).
      5. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 22 September 2015 10: 40 New
        +2
        It is a pleasure to comb such columns from the air.
      6. WKS
        WKS 22 September 2015 12: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Sid.74
        And a few hundred brilliant new Tayot not seen?

        I wonder how long it will take for 2-3 T-90 to roll all this shine together with the contents on the ground?
      7. alone
        alone 22 September 2015 16: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Sid.74
        old pickups "Toyota
        And a few hundred brilliant new Tayot not seen?
        And what, old?


        Toyota in the third photo is clearly police cars that are squeezed from Iraqi policemen. Why ISIS flashers))))
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 22 September 2015 06: 19 New
      -4
      And in response, Russia will fight on the ground with terrorists
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 06: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: kuz363
        And in response, Russia will fight on the ground with terrorists

        And now what are we not fighting?
    3. Thronekeeper
      Thronekeeper 22 September 2015 06: 47 New
      +1
      American satellites discovered at least 4 Su-30s in Latakia.
      In addition, “moderate rebels,” and, surprisingly, Isil, complain about the air strikes of Russian Su-25T2 carrying complexes of high-precision weapons (see Su-39) and Mil combat helicopters, although the Su-25 is easily confused with the Yak-130, and The latest Mi-24 m / f may belong to the Syrian Air Force.
      The CIA reports the arrival of extreme m / f and even an ultra-modern killer of the Tu-31M22A3 aircraft carriers (three Super Backfires) in Dakhlak MiG-1.
      Meanwhile, potential gallows Benka Netanyahu arrived “on the carpet” in the Kremlin, asking that the Russian Air Force, SAM and Israeli nightmare RKK “Moscow” and APRK “Severodvinsk” not hit Beni's estate in response to provocations.
      http://zakonvremeni.ru/news/13-3-/23337-netanyaxu-privez-v-moskvu-generalov.html

      The visit of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Moscow in many ways can be considered extraordinary. Firstly, the head of the Israeli government included the chief of the General Staff, the commander of military intelligence and the head of the national security council, who, by virtue of their posts, do not often leave their homeland. So the visit that began on Monday can be considered military-political. Secondly, and this is also an infrequent case, Netanyahu is not accompanied by Israeli media representatives on the trip. And the Kremlin’s message that the meeting of the mixed Russian-Israeli commission on trade and economic cooperation will be held only on September 27-28, once again confirms: the interaction between Moscow and Tel Aviv in the trade sphere was not the main topic at the talks between President Putin and Prime Minister Netanyahu .

      The experts agree on why the head of the Israeli government decided to personally fly to Moscow as part of a representative military delegation - Tel Aviv is worried about the expansion of Russian assistance to the Syrian authorities in the fight against the Islamic State group. Israel considered that such delicate issues should not be discussed at a distance (this year Putin and Netanyahu talked on the phone three times - from the ed.) And asked Putin for a personal meeting.
      The tasks facing the Israeli Prime Minister in Moscow can be divided into two categories: military and political. The first included coordination issues between the Israeli and Russian defense departments. According to sources in the Air Force of the Israel Defense Forces, the generals who arrived in Moscow should agree with their Russian colleagues on how to avoid mistakes in identifying aircraft and flying objects in the sky of Syria. In order to prevent “tragic mistakes” in the process of Russia’s humanitarian air operations.
      1. ssergn
        ssergn 22 September 2015 13: 37 New
        0
        This has long been an open secret http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/68044/
      2. Egor65g
        Egor65g 22 September 2015 14: 21 New
        -1
        I think Vovka Putin would not meet a potential gallows and see off with honor, huh?
      3. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 22 September 2015 17: 33 New
        0
        Quote: Thronekeeper
        Meanwhile, potential gallows Benka Netanyahu arrived "on the carpet" in the Kremlin,

        What do not say about them .... but one cannot be taken away from them, they keep their finger on the pulse, and react to any changes instantly. Our su-30s did not have time to land yet, and already in Moscow Netanyahu agreed on coordination in the air and exchange of information.
    4. Sweles
      Sweles 22 September 2015 09: 41 New
      +2
      as I understand it, this Syrian war broke out because of the Qatari gas pipeline to Europe? But why not agree with the same Assad, is he strongly opposed to the gas pipeline? There is an opportunity to launch Qatari gas through Turkey or through Israel at last. Russia's support for President Assad, contrary to everything else, suggests that the Qatar-Syria route is preferable, and Russia-Putin is certainly against laying this pipeline, but not to the extent that our guys would die in Syria for the interests of Gazprom ...
      1. anderles66
        anderles66 22 September 2015 10: 19 New
        +3
        It seems to me that to carry a gas pipeline through Syria now is about the same as in the 41st to carry a gas pipeline through the European part of the USSR. First you need to put things in order, close the black oil market (somewhere there was a map of oil pipelines, ISIL had some of them), and then agree.
    5. Finches
      Finches 22 September 2015 11: 06 New
      +2
      That's right! Troops in Syria - as a limited contingent, you don’t need to enter. You need to confine yourself to specialists, instructors, advisers supplying weapons - as in Vietnam! Everything worked out correctly and some salmon tuna laughing
      And since ISIS is the United States and Great Britain, this analogy is allowed by me, in my opinion it is absolutely appropriate!
    6. Alexey M
      Alexey M 22 September 2015 14: 11 New
      0
      The Russian military will have to knock ISIS out into the desert.

      We owe nothing to anyone !!!!!!!
      This is our good will.
    7. varov14
      varov14 22 September 2015 17: 52 New
      -1
      Liberals lit a guarantor on beans, as soon as they dumped, sorry for the guys, New Russia on the side, and in Syria it is necessary to get involved. Americans probably rub their hands.
  2. Oleneboy_
    Oleneboy_ 22 September 2015 05: 43 New
    -2
    Here Kutuzov e May)) The whole alignment gave us))) There are already people who know how and what the RF should do. ISIS will be defeated! Victory will be ours !!! In addition to everything else, we need Syria, including to test the equipment. New they caught a lot of checks there in a real battle. By the way, France Presse reported that there are already 28 of our fighters. The whole squadron. Good luck to Syria and Russia !!!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 06: 28 New
      -3
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      Here Kutuzov e May)) The whole alignment gave us))) There are already people who know how and what the RF should do. ISIS will be defeated!

      Well, judging by the nickname Oleneboy_ this is a sight from Chukotka.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 September 2015 06: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, judging by the nickname Oleneboy_ this is a look from Chukotka.
        +!
      2. Oleneboy_
        Oleneboy_ 22 September 2015 07: 00 New
        +6
        Have you done a little messing up? Or so ... there’s no one to talk to ??? And apparently you didn’t read Cooper
        1. andj61
          andj61 22 September 2015 08: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: Oleneboy_
          And apparently Cooper you have not read

          There, it seems, was St. John's Wort? Or not? what And as a stupid man, Natty Bampo seemed to be calling a rifle ... what
          1. 97110
            97110 22 September 2015 09: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: andj61
            And Natty Bampo seemed to call a slander
            a gun with a very long barrel, as I recall. F. Cooper did not say anything about the rifling in that trunk.
      3. 97110
        97110 22 September 2015 09: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well judging by the nickname Oleneboy_ this is a look from
        East coast.
  3. Putinets
    Putinets 22 September 2015 05: 46 New
    +8
    Today is definitely a day of fantasy, fiction and fantasy.
    In Iraq, the old regime will be recreated on the principle "as under Saddam, but without Saddam."

    Who will create what, how. The main thing is, at whose expense is the banquet?
  4. SibRUS
    SibRUS 22 September 2015 05: 49 New
    +4
    From loud statements, I would refrain. If only it were that simple.
  5. vovanpain
    vovanpain 22 September 2015 05: 50 New
    +15
    Help with weapons, including heavy ones, but for the rest, the Syrians, Hezbollah and the Kurdish militia themselves must fight for their homeland.
  6. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 22 September 2015 05: 51 New
    +4
    An ideal testing ground for testing new types of weapons, why shoot at targets and old trash when you can see the real result and determine the results on the enemy’s manpower.
  7. Alekseev-Orsk
    Alekseev-Orsk 22 September 2015 05: 51 New
    -4
    Competent article. From me plus)))
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 September 2015 06: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Alekseev-Orsk
      Competent article. From me plus)))

      the author would still speculate on what awaits us after the intervention, namely the revengeful actions of the Ishilovites in Russia. (they have already announced this) an unknown number of radicals have already leaked to Europe with refugees, certainly not with good intentions, so, work to our counterintelligence, oh, how was it added.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 22 September 2015 06: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        the author would also speculate on the topic: what awaits us after the intervention, namely, the vengeful actions of igilovtsev

        Saudis, what? So Putin, the Saudi prince made it clear that those who hold out their hands to us will have these hands cut off on the very shoulders.
        Moreover, there will be no ground operation, everything will be done by the army of ATS, Hezbollah, Peshmerga. There, without us, people with weapons about 300 thousand.
        This is according to Satanovsky, and he said that there is no need to climb there with living force.
        We will only provide intelligence, weapons, instructors and engineers. Perhaps there will be pilots. And certainly EW.
        And by the way, 500 igilovtsev surrendered to ATS forces yesterday. And Russia has not yet appeared in the war.laughing
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 22 September 2015 06: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Sid.74
          Saudi, what?

          ISIS is not “Saudi’s”, it’s from a dozen countries Islamist radicals gathered ...
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 22 September 2015 06: 46 New
            +4
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            this is a dozen countries Islamist radicals collected ...

            Yeah, wrestlers for your and our freedom.laughing The backbone of the ISIL is the former Hussein Special Security Service, which is Kurdish in Iraq and nightmare.
            The rest is a perfect rabble and not an army. And I think it is possible now to go to the former generals of Hussein (ISIS). and with the help of "Sunshine" fry until golden brown.yes
            1. andrew42
              andrew42 22 September 2015 11: 51 New
              +1
              At the expense of the former officers of Saddam as part of ISIS - the hope is weak. if the former Baathists are there, then there is no trust in them, and the political leaders of ISIS will probably look after them. If there are former military experts among ISIS (those who had been waiting for years of pseudo-Islamic psychosis, but served Saddam, we don’t think there are many of them), then they are in a position similar to the tsar’s military experts in the Red Army in 1918. A step towards the ax head off.
      2. SPACE59
        SPACE59 22 September 2015 08: 04 New
        +5
        the author would still speculate on the topic: what awaits us after the intervention, namely, the revengeful actions of the Ishilovites in Russia.


        Terrorist attacks are scary, but I cannot imagine that Russia could be dictated by terrorist attacks. Yes, such states most likely do not exist which can dictate conditions in this way. It’s just that such a country will not last long if it has once given up slack!
        In your opinion, it turns out that you can’t help Syria with technology, and suddenly the IS will be offended! even oral support for Assad cannot be provided, but you can only assent to the United States, then the terrorists will be in a good mood and we will not have to fear them. Did you mean that?
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 22 September 2015 11: 55 New
          +1
          I agree, the pacification of terrorists is inappropriate. Especially in relation to fanatics-perverts, trampling the foundations of the same Islam. The article is certainly too bravura, but the thesis "annihilation" is true. And the more ISIS and Nusrovtsev will be destroyed per unit time, the better. It is impossible to wage war with reverence with those who are aimed only at the destruction of dissent. Only a symmetric answer multiplied by times.
      3. 97110
        97110 22 September 2015 09: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        what awaits us after the intervention, namely the revengeful actions of the Ishilovites in Russia.

        IMHO, climb whatever the position of the Russian Federation on the ATS. It is necessary to beat in Syria, then catch these bearded among our bearded. I'm with a beard too. But with a very "short neat hairstyle." Somehow in the Grace (still whole) DAI stopped me. "Why unshaven?" a question was raised. In response, he took off his cap. For a long time in the rearview mirror I saw laughing DAItsev.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 06: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Alekseev-Orsk
      Competent article. From me plus)))

      And what is she literate about?
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 22 September 2015 08: 06 New
        0
        Here is an interesting show, a new “International Review”, very interesting moments are voiced by Primakov.
  8. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 22 September 2015 05: 52 New
    +7
    Author !!! the main fighting backbone of the igil Military !!! former Iraqis and the same - yes the Syrians and even generals with entire divisions went to them .. I think they bought them stupidly (family-children in Harvard-London-New York) discuss further not worth it .. the author at least once found himself on the other side of the front sight ?? strategist and tactician ...
  9. siberalt
    siberalt 22 September 2015 05: 52 New
    +9
    The article is clearly provocative. It seems that the author in her childhood did not play enough of the soldiers and the king of the hill.
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 22 September 2015 06: 24 New
      +4
      The problem should be toughly resolved, and by Russia, if we are a subject of geopolitics, and not an object. In fact: two continents - two subjects, two actors of geopolitics, who would not have imagined themselves in an academic framework.
      Or does someone have a different, “liberal” view of solving a running problem? History knows only one effective method.
      The leadership of the country has long been set benchmarks and final tasks. Or does someone want to become like a "toothless and tolerant" Europe? Or watch the Islamists at home?
      So far there are only two “bendors and tensioners” in the world, little has changed in the post-war confrontation, but one of the opponents has more show-offs left than forces, means and capabilities. The global allies are almost the same.
      The longer we don’t give different ghouls in the teeth, the further they become impudent from impunity and do not want to respond properly to their words. Either we are a Power, or one of the European countries? Yes, we are supposed to be a world leader by status!
  10. Sasha75
    Sasha75 22 September 2015 05: 52 New
    +6
    That everyone is so worried about our troops, we won’t enter there; the biggest thing is aviation and the help of specialists in high-tech intelligence equipment, satellite tracking and reconnaissance. Perhaps we’ll throw some high-precision weapons, and so there are thousands of Iranians there who would fight there without us?
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 September 2015 08: 07 New
      +3
      we will not enter our troops there
      who did you say that on behalf of? Or is your surname Shoigu?
    2. 97110
      97110 22 September 2015 09: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Sasha75
      That everyone is so worried about our troops

      Exactly? Whisper where the gossip comes from? Or you decide it, personally. And then the President voices YOUR decision?
    3. alone
      alone 22 September 2015 17: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Sasha75
      How many thousands of Iranians are there?

      Several thousand commandos and volunteer squads. Iran’s assistance has declined significantly since ISIS occupied the entire Iraqi-Syrian border.
  11. SibSlavRus
    SibSlavRus 22 September 2015 05: 54 New
    +3
    In Syria (unless of course Russia decides on a large-scale operation), success is guaranteed, because the United States and its geeks are so nervous. Firstly, the militants have nowhere to hide (this is not mountainous Afghanistan, although they were crushed there), the terrain will not allow it. Secondly, a coalition with Iran, which should "smash" the Saudis and other "interested", claiming regional leadership with our support (for example, in Afghanistan, we were alone, and many in the world were for Mujahideen, but even then the ratio 14,5 thousand of our guys over 10 years to more than a million opponents, which is more than effective, if judged cynically and militarily). Thirdly, the latest weapons and reconnaissance equipment, one Pinocchio and other MLRS, coupled with artillery and aviation (it’s not even obligatory to engage in direct clashes here - the Syrian army itself will clear it out) will ground all living things. And this is not taking into account the latest weapons and other “vacuums and thermal bars”.
    After effective and efficient military actions multiplied by short terms and assistance in restoring and training the Syrian army, creating a normal border space, etc., including Syria in international organizations such as BRICS and CSTO, while Iran will restore order in the region, the rest are “problematic” "countries of the continent, with a keen sense of instinct for self-preservation, will turn on the brain and relatively peaceful geopolitics will begin, but without the purchase by the Anglo-Saxons, as they like, of state property during a period of hard times. And after that, we will begin to drive the jackals into the Stone Age and observe with interest the Civil War 2.0 in the United States. Many countries are entitled to this browsing session.
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 22 September 2015 07: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: SibSlavRus
      (for example, in the same Afghanistan we were alone, and many in the world for Mujahideen, but even then the ratio of 14,5 thousand of our children over 10 years to more than a million opponents, which is more than effective, judging cynically and militarily) AT

      Want to repeat "success" ??? Forward as a volunteer for Assad, I do not wish you to get into the "successful" arithmetic numbers ...
      This war is NOT OUR! There the devil will break his leg from Sunites, Sheites, Kurds, etc., and each East Asian state (called by you as "allies") will solve its OWN, first of all, religious-related interests - do you want to solve these problems with OUR guys?
      1. Kilo-11
        Kilo-11 22 September 2015 07: 55 New
        +3
        According to one version, this is “our” war — if ISIS destroys B. Assad’s regime, then the governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar begin to build a gas pipeline to Europe, and then our Gazprom turns into Gazmyas with all the consequences.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 September 2015 08: 06 New
          -1
          Quote: Kilo-11
          -If ISIS destroys B. Assad’s regime, then the governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar begin to build a gas pipeline to Europe

          And ISIS will ask permission for construction wassat
          ISIS has other plans
          1. andrew42
            andrew42 22 September 2015 12: 04 New
            0
            Why, ISIS shared their plans? Also say that they have independent strategic planning. Is a fighting dog planning fights herself? Himself not funny?
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      3. andrew42
        andrew42 22 September 2015 12: 03 New
        +2
        Yeah, but in Yugoslavia, too, the war was "NOT OUR"? And in Kosovo? and in the Donbass, "not ours" is tainted. Enough is enough. It is time to beat these mercenaries of world Zionism, until you have fledged. Only beat competently. But strong. Responsible Islamic countries will only be happy.
  12. Wolka
    Wolka 22 September 2015 05: 55 New
    0
    a similar assessment of the situation and ways to correct it have a right to exist
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 22 September 2015 07: 35 New
      +2
      Well, if you sit and do nothing, confining yourself to “expressing concern and protests” and delivering different kinds of supplies, without the actual “presence” of influence in the governing bodies, then this influence itself is lost, and the holy place is never empty.
      Or someone thinks that sitting in the priest’s priest the untouchable world authority must be earned, and in our case it’s also necessary to keep it after the “Yeltsin-Kozyrev diplomacy”. A vivid example is the NATO and the Americans along the perimeter of our borders, especially the western ones. From the east - herds of Islamists, already bothering our neighbors. The question is for opponents of tactics to beat the enemy on its territory or moderate: Tajikistan has no borders with us at all, but we consider it an outpost. Maybe we’ll remove the life from there, from Armenia and a number of other states.
      For those who are not particularly understanding, it can be explained that the presence of military force in the region of national security interests is the guarantee of stability. Example: peacekeeping bases were removed from the Former Yugoslavia during the period of disintegration and instability - the Americans filled the space. And the Serbs really wanted our enhanced military presence.
      And about the potential military losses. It’s somehow impossible without them, you know. This is the army and special services in action. But due to the tactics of using the latest models, losses can be minimized to the level of "peaceful" losses in the Caucasus. No one, in accordance with the law, will be sent to the combat zone and to regions with difficult operational conditions without personal consent. I am fully aware of my own words from the experience of several armed conflicts.
      And so, actually, if "who does not know" the army and special services should be in constant work. That's what they are for. No one is kept there forcibly (conscripts do not count, after them there is supervision of a kindergarten there).
      Enough of these liberoid categories of thinking, if their will were, they would have surrendered that our grandfathers and fathers, and many acting now, deserved the blood. And there were many times less whiners. The safety of the population, the protection of vital interests, of its citizens and allies - it is not provided in theory.
      1. core
        core 22 September 2015 10: 08 New
        +1
        the army must fight, be in good shape, so that “all sorts” of the ruble do not go there, because it’s scary. a large mass of men idle turns into a drunk.
      2. alone
        alone 22 September 2015 17: 30 New
        0
        Quote: SibSlavRus
        And about the potential military losses. It’s somehow impossible without them, you know. This is the army and special services in action. But due to the tactics of using the latest models, losses can be minimized to the level of "peaceful" losses in the Caucasus. No one, in accordance with the law, will be sent to the combat zone and to regions with difficult operational conditions without personal consent. I am fully aware of my own words from the experience of several armed conflicts.


        You are right, of course. No one argues that sacrifices are inevitable. It is sometimes just impossible to explain this to those who have lost a son, father or husband. Trust my experience.
  13. IGMIT
    IGMIT 22 September 2015 05: 56 New
    +7
    Help only with weapons and technology, why the boys substitute.
  14. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 22 September 2015 05: 56 New
    +12
    Here again we are led to the fact that the entry of our troops into Syria is necessary, that there are no parallels with agar, etc. There is a targeted campaign for the war. Although those who are now waving a saber here, it is unlikely that they will raise their fifth point from the sofa and go to war. As soon as we enter Syria, this will be a powerful factor to support the militants and unite them. The goal of the West in Syria is not the destruction of the Islamic State, but the involvement of Russia in the war, its further weakening. Syria is our strategic ally, we must support it with technology, intelligence specialists, but not send an army. Let the soldier send Iran, again everyone is used to carrying chestnuts out of the fire with the hands of Russia.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 22 September 2015 08: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: RuslanNN
      Although those who are now waving a saber here, it is unlikely that they will raise their fifth point from the sofa and go to war.

      That's right! good
    2. alone
      alone 22 September 2015 17: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: RuslanNN
      Although those who are now waving a saber here, it is unlikely that they will raise their fifth point from the sofa and go to war.


      No comment Ruslan. 100% true. There has always been plenty of Urashnikov here. But none of those here has torn his throat, you will never see it in real life.
  15. fa2998
    fa2998 22 September 2015 05: 58 New
    +10
    I read the title of the article, taken aback. Russia should! Russia DOES NOT NEED ANYONE! One country across the ocean likes to crawl into other people's affairs, and has lost 2 skyscrapers. Russia has the right to defend its borders, and its allies under the agreement, and climb into this desert, let them climb who swarmed this swarm. Correct other people's mistakes due to the death of their soldiers-Dismiss! hi
  16. 44 World
    44 World 22 September 2015 05: 58 New
    0
    To undermine their economic basis is a good thing that could solve many, if not all, problems, but they will not sit on the pope evenly. Their people are now dispersed throughout Europe and what prevents them from arranging a dozen terrorist attacks with numerous victims and then setting out their conditions, which I think will be more than unacceptable ... what is there to do then?
  17. 3 Gorynych
    3 Gorynych 22 September 2015 06: 01 New
    +4
    No matter how our presence warms our hearts, we absolutely do not want the Russians to die there.
  18. diz1975
    diz1975 22 September 2015 06: 07 New
    +4
    Our soldiers must not be allowed to fight at least somewhere. It happened before. Suppression of unrest in Czechoslovakia, Hungary, the war in Afghanistan. And then they exposed our country as an aggressor, a strangler of freedom and an evil empire. And the Afghans would learn to fight with the Dushmans like the Vietnamese with the Americans. We need to support Syria, help specialists, weapons. But let the Syrians fight for their homeland themselves. They will become stronger and they will be proud of their victory.
  19. mamont5
    mamont5 22 September 2015 06: 14 New
    +3
    "Already at the first stage - goal setting - the American military machine made a strategic mistake. They perceived ISIS as an army-organized system that can be defeated by delivering targeted strikes at key points and positions determined by the CIA."

    I do not agree. Most likely, all of these US airstrikes are a solid fiction, designed to mislead the world. Why should the States destroy their brainchild of ISIS? He has not yet completed his tasks and EVERYTHING is yet to come.
  20. Bongo
    Bongo 22 September 2015 06: 14 New
    +10
    Russian military will have to tip ISIS into the desert

    Who should we again? no
  21. papont64
    papont64 22 September 2015 06: 16 New
    +2
    Bashar is our ally, throwing allies in trouble is not right, we must help, otherwise everyone will turn away.
  22. slizhov
    slizhov 22 September 2015 06: 17 New
    +3
    Until now, nobody has seriously given Igil to the horns ...
    as soon as they receive, they will drape so that the heels will not have time to sparkle in the sun.
  23. Nehist
    Nehist 22 September 2015 06: 18 New
    +1
    Where can I get money for a full-scale operation? The author in one of the rights of ISIS prefers to act as small mobile units, can you imagine how much effort and money you need to spend to at least control the territories? And who will stop the ISIS from moving to partisan tactics? And as you know, counter-guerrilla operations are complex in themselves. Army operations will not work there at all. Only terror can fight terror.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 September 2015 06: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Nehist
      And who will stop the ISIS from moving to partisan tactics?

      Where? In desert?
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 22 September 2015 19: 09 New
        0
        And in the desert too !!! Do you even know what sabotage and counter-sabotage war? No?
  24. Serg koma
    Serg koma 22 September 2015 06: 42 New
    +3
    Moreover, leaving the “Russian garrison” (conditionally) in each village in an absolutely hostile environment would be a dead end Afghan option.
    - If the population is so hostile (i.e., for ISIS), if it (the population) is two-handed for public executions (I myself honestly speak for the Chinese / North Korean version regarding the recent leadership of the "furniture factory" and others like it)
    Then the idea of ​​what will be much worse if not to give up is brought to the population of the city or to its elite. Public executions are held to demonstrate determination. After this, the city, as a rule, surrenders itself.

    So the population of this (or data) n.p. Everything is completely satisfied with everything, and no “release" IS NEEDED.
    Such a conclusion can be drawn from your “strategic” narrative.
    Sorry, but I put a minus, your "doctrine" and rhetoric is very reminiscent of the actions (and slogans) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Kiev against the Donbass:
    1. Population against "terrorists"
    2.No solid front
    3. Just start - they’ll run right away, some “miners” are at war
    4. The whole WORLD for "us"
    5. It is necessary to "free"
    6. "WE MAKE YOU LAW AND ORDER"

    Only military, material assistance, without the introduction of troops !!! Let the “refugees” fight if they need it (I’m healthy as I see men who have probably undergone military training (military service in the Syrian army is carried out on call.)), Otherwise they will flee from Assad, from ISIS and from all problems. Do not want to fight for their own freedom and prosperity? WHY???

    PS Of the claudia, of course, it is more visible, but do not forget the victims in Afghanistan ... And the consequences ...
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 22 September 2015 09: 54 New
      +1
      There is a rational in your comment, but the analogy about Afghanistan is no longer relevant for various reasons, conditions (including landscape) and consequences. The war of the USSR in Afghanistan is included in the section of losses unique in the ratio (14,5 thousand to more than 1 million from the enemy) and successful operations over 10 years!
      Yes, the total losses in the North Caucasus are many times greater! The First Company alone in Chechnya more than 60 thousand (combatants and non-combatants).
      The consequences of Afghanistan - the Afghans themselves already with longing remember that war, where we built all the social and industrial infrastructure in parallel.
      Request: Evaluate and correlate the scale in your comments if you are using a comparative methodology.
      And here’s a bonus: “peaceful capitalist” reforms after the events of 1991-93. and their consequences claimed the lives of millions of Russians (there are figures of direct and indirect losses equal to 25 million), war and genocide along the perimeter of Russia's borders, decades of inaction in the regions of influence (Transcaucasia (South Ossetia, Abkhazia) Ukraine-Donbass), etc. e., up to the victims of traffic accidents for a statistical year, exceeding all losses in 10 years in Afghanistan.
      And the consequences of inaction on actions directed against us can become simply “irreparable damage”.
      And about Afghanistan, read Andropov’s remarks, what would it turn out for us if the United States didn’t bring forward (we chose the lesser of two evils), which were already ready, and serious analytics on this topic.
  25. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 September 2015 06: 50 New
    +3
    If Russia undertook to help Syria, then it would help. And the An-Nusra Front or the IG will be defeated. There is no doubt about that. The only question is at what cost. Who will pay for the banquet? Hope Saudis. No wonder they turned to face Russia. Insidious, corrupt, perverted but ... They always sensed the power, and bent under it. This is at the genetic level.
  26. populist
    populist 22 September 2015 06: 55 New
    +2
    It is not worth expecting serious military resistance precisely in those areas that ISIS specifically controls. As for Al-Nusra, it’s enough to surround them and isolate them -

    Smart, he knows everything!
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    2. creak
      creak 22 September 2015 11: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: populist

      It is not worth expecting serious military resistance precisely in those areas that ISIS specifically controls. As for Al-Nusra, it’s enough to surround them and isolate them -

      Smart, he knows everything!


      It’s like on that collective farm: every gopher is an agronomist ..
  27. vladimirw
    vladimirw 22 September 2015 07: 22 New
    +5
    The author himself will go to fight in Syria? if not, then let him not write anything more, how, whom and where should the Russian troops overturn. we have the Donbass close by, and Ukrainian fascists, who will indeed have to be destroyed. And in Syria there is only air support and advisers.
  28. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 September 2015 07: 37 New
    +4
    the same applies to Al-Nusra, it is enough to surround them and isolate them - an ideal way to deal with fortified areas in urban conditions.

    It seems that the author only did that he was fighting enemies.
  29. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 22 September 2015 07: 38 New
    0
    Almost all options have already been expressed. To whom the pros put their options, I think it is true. smile
  30. nivander
    nivander 22 September 2015 07: 43 New
    +1
    it was smooth on paper yes forgot about the ravines
  31. gcn
    gcn 22 September 2015 08: 00 New
    0
    Remember how it all began intelligence services of the West supported, trained, and themselves participated in the conflict between Syria and Libya. Where did these ki suddenly go when a terrible and terrible game appeared? arms
  32. radar1967
    radar1967 22 September 2015 08: 03 New
    +6
    Fighting against ISIS is basically impossible. This is a network, partisan organization. Troops can only be used in dead defense. And in the desert, and this is impossible.

    ISIS can only be defeated on the socio-ideological front. PEOPLE NEED HOPE FOR PEACE STABILITY AND JUSTICE. This idea can only give RUSSIA.


    I repeat: RUSSIA should not give cannon fodder, but IDEA OF A JUST AND STABLE SOCIETY.
  33. Velizariy
    Velizariy 22 September 2015 08: 41 New
    0
    Quote: Thronekeeper
    announces the arrival of extreme m / f in Dahlak MiG-31

    Taki direct and said that the extreme? If this is written by the CIA, then it also doesn’t get along ... they lose the skill of Russian grammar however ... and they go into superstition ... but these Satanists can be understood, but when our person writes like that, does he really think what depends on his word will cease or not to release new models of MiGs? strange) Not an extreme model, but it doesn’t sound sad, but LAST!))
  34. Engineer
    Engineer 22 September 2015 09: 02 New
    +2
    The author is wrong. IS is already a state with its caliph, caliph, which true Muslims have been waiting for since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. al-Baghdadi invented everything brilliantly. He immediately proclaimed that they were not a gang, but a state, with the tradition of the golden age of Islam of the first Muslim states. And then I do not agree - to destroy, as they destroyed Alkaida in Iraq. For this, any Muslim will fight with weapons in his hands. What we see. Weapons cannot be defeated here. The coalition will not fight with them, here the issue of the territories of the Islamic State and recognition of it as a state at the international level is being decided. This is what the West is doing. Only here Putin does not agree with the borders and guaranteed Assad that he will not allow to divide Syria. Therefore, in the West they are indignant at the presence of our military in Syria.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 22 September 2015 09: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Engineer
      and guaranteed Assad that he would not allow Syria to be divided.

      He probably didn’t finish that he won’t give it while he’s in power
    2. Beaver
      Beaver 22 September 2015 15: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Engineer
      The coalition will not fight with them, here the issue of the territories of the Islamic Republic is being resolved ... Only here Putin does not agree with the borders


      Why only Putin? I do not agree either. Somehow, she doesn’t smile suddenly to find herself inside the borders of the Islamic State after they “decide” there.

      Quote: Engineer
      For this, any Muslim will fight with weapons in his hands. What we see. Weapons cannot be defeated here.


      Hitler at the time, too, "invented everything" and for him the whole Volksdeutsche fought with weapons in their hands. For some reason they defeated it with weapons.
    3. Olezhek
      Olezhek 22 September 2015 20: 51 New
      0
      This is where the issue of the IG territories and its recognition as a state at the international level is resolved. This West is engaged.


      Interesting !!
      Very interesting!
  35. mihasik
    mihasik 22 September 2015 09: 34 New
    +1
    I wonder what the author proposes to do with Turkey (a member of NATO), Jordan, Qatar and Saudi Arabia? After all, ISIS militants go there as to their home. Do they trade with them, treat themselves, rest, rearm, etc.? Cut them off the border? So they will hit in the back with the same Turkey. Will we fight with Turkey, etc.? Are the Yusovites of the Russian Federation dragging them into a cesspool, like Afghanistan, only multiplied by 100? After all, 200%, that the United States in the event of the introduction of troops into Syria, will spoil us as soon as they can.
    1. anderles66
      anderles66 22 September 2015 10: 37 New
      +1
      I don’t know for the author. As for Turkey, not everything is so sweet in it. The same Kurds are tied with blood to an otvetka for their extermination. The Iranian Interior Minister has already hinted at the support of the Kurds, demonstratively visiting them. Now, if you are friends with the Kurds, or at least allied (with Iran), then you can create a bunch of problems for the Turks, not even getting too involved. Close the north of Syria with air defense systems (supplied by agreement), shut down the illegal oil flow and Turkey will talk differently (and not only Turkey, as I see it). Jordan, Qatar and the CA themselves are under attack (ISIS). The option is to crush ISIS to the south (well, this is how the situation is) and then offer assistance in eliminating the threat. In general, as I see it, there are options. The main thing is to achieve real success and restore order in Syria at least.
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 22 September 2015 12: 57 New
        0
        Quote: anderles66
        The option is to crush ISIS to the south (well, this is how the situation is) and then offer assistance in eliminating the threat. In general, as I see it, there are options. The main thing is to achieve real success and restore order in Syria at least.

        "Cine" in all of this: "Crush." The main question is precisely what are you planning to crush?
  36. Arzoo
    Arzoo 22 September 2015 10: 30 New
    0
    Controlling the desert (80% of the territory of ISIS) will not be difficult, even a small contingent. Afghanistan will not work. In the desert, they have nothing to oppose to Russian armor and aircraft. With cities and the mountainous south of Syria is more difficult. But as I understand it, such a task is not posed.
  37. akudr48
    akudr48 22 September 2015 10: 50 New
    +2
    Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side.

    But the author is clearly a strategist, shrewdly pointing out the miscalculations of the American military, noting the weaknesses of ISIS troops, emphasizing the specifics of military operations in urban neighborhoods and the desert, etc.

    Particularly bold are the assumptions about a coalition army of ISIS fighters, which will include Russian troops, which is honorable to overturn ISIS into the desert ...

    But the author did not ask a simple question: why should Russia get involved with its soldiers?

    The supply of military equipment and the training of the Syrian army, this is possible and necessary, although it was necessary to do earlier.

    And why shed Russian blood in the desert, Yevgeny Krutikov?
  38. Rostislav
    Rostislav 22 September 2015 10: 53 New
    0
    As for the recipe for victory "to destroy fanatics," I doubt it, but to deprive them of funding by blocking the opportunity to sell oil will be a serious blow.
  39. African
    African 22 September 2015 11: 03 New
    0
    The Russian military owes nothing to anyone but their people and their homeland! And to help real friends is what Russia has always done. Friends would be real, that’s the question.
  40. iouris
    iouris 22 September 2015 11: 32 New
    0
    "Must" or "can"? Is a broader coalition with allies possible? We need unequivocal support for these projects and the participation in one form or another of China, a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
  41. Edvid
    Edvid 22 September 2015 11: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Arzoo
    Controlling the desert (80% of the territory of ISIS) will not be difficult, even a small contingent. Afghanistan will not work. In the desert, they have nothing to oppose to Russian armor and aircraft. With cities and the mountainous south of Syria is more difficult. But as I understand it, such a task is not posed.

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    Judging by the newsreel from Syria, the troops of her army are fighting with the enemy in cities using the technology of the Second World War. But the more the city is destroyed, the more difficult it is to “pick out” infantry that is seated or maneuvering in the ruins. The losses of the attackers will always be greater ... The most effective weapon in these conditions is flamethrowers: they cover a fairly large area and burn any ruins, bunkers, armored vehicles. These include, for example, the Russian "Sun". There are other similar means. But the Syrian army does not have them. With such weapons, Assad would have kicked the militants long ago ...
  42. kepmor
    kepmor 22 September 2015 11: 56 New
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    Quote: siberalt
    The article is clearly provocative. It seems that the author in her childhood did not play enough of the soldiers and the king of the hill.

    We must not forget that here, in Russia, among Muslims, too, not everything is calm. I live in the Caucasus and every day I see with my own eyes how many young, healthy, and most importantly, aggressive guys from Chechnya, Dagestan and other republics are flooding the cities of the South. At the same time, more than half of them do not work anywhere, they treat the locals scornfully. They speak Russian reluctantly. By all appearance they show their national superiority to others. In the evening, in the city center, you get the feeling that you are somewhere in Makhachkala. I doubt that these people will be "very happy" with the successes of our Armed Forces in the fight against ISIS. It's no secret that thousands of our Muslims are fighting on the side of ISIS, and no one knows how much they sympathize with this “beast”.
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 September 2015 13: 00 New
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      A problem is a problem that has no solution and requires revolutionary approaches. The problem is not Muslims or Orthodox. The problem is in the form of ownership and economic management methods that do not allow solving socio-economic problems. The low standard of living of 90% of the population, a high level of social stratification, an ideology that allows you to ignore the problem - this is the source of this danger. In an ideological vacuum, people are trying to adapt religion to solve pressing social problems. In the end, we have what we have, plus a distorted view of the world.
      If I'm wrong, then explain why Muslims flee to godless Europe, and not even Europe, but specifically to Germany, France, Holland, Belgium, Denmark. They do not want to go to Hungary or Latvia.
  43. zloi_dekabr
    zloi_dekabr 22 September 2015 12: 12 New
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    Iraq is the responsibility of the United States. And the Iraqi Kurdistan region theoretically could become the boundary of the division of responsibilities. laughing author -> author -> author in what dimension lives? The Igilovites are offspring, and if they themselves are instructed to fight them in Iraq, then soon they will climb into Syria again.
  44. andrew42
    andrew42 22 September 2015 12: 16 New
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    As for the "overturn into the desert" by the forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, this author certainly got excited. If there are bases on the territory of neighboring Syria STATES (!), This will not solve the problem. But, on the other hand, a “Russian victory” is not required! It’s enough to help technicians / specialists, cover the air with air defense, cover the coast from the sea, press ISIS from the air, protect important objects in the still peaceful territory, and, of course, help the special forces (counter-sabotage, sweeping raids, hunting for ringleaders) . All! the Syrians will do the rest themselves. And the Kurds and Iranians will contribute to them. The maximum task is to pull the current Iraqi Government out of the Yankees. Need "ticks", then ISIS ends. Russia's task is to create a REAL anti-ISIS coalition (Syrians, Kurds, Shiites of Iraq, Iran) and help military-technical. If we effectively support Syria, the rest themselves will be drawn into this “new coalition”, and Assad (with Moscow behind him) will become the center of this coalition. From "rogue" - to "princes".
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 22 September 2015 20: 49 New
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      About the "overturn in the desert" by the forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, this author of course got excited. If there are bases in the territory of neighboring Syria STATES (!), This will not solve the problem


      The massive use of heavy weapons can lead to heavy casualties among ISIS sheep.
      I do not want to run ahead, but it would be interesting to look at the real effectiveness of modern weapons of Russia.
      The presence of Russian fighters in the sky of Syria rules out the appearance of "unidentified targets" in the same sky ...

      So I hope EVERYTHING is possible
  45. Gor-1974
    Gor-1974 22 September 2015 12: 19 New
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    Reading this article, for some reason I remembered the uprising of Spartacus and the enormous efforts of Rome to suppress it. (Please do not draw parallels with current events, as I said earlier I just remembered)
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 22 September 2015 14: 22 New
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      Spartak was gored easily - slaves are not warriors, they can rob, kill, but they can’t fight. So you, for example, can kill a cow? (I can’t)))) I need to learn))) Just shooting at targets is not quite right.
  46. andrew42
    andrew42 22 September 2015 12: 28 New
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    And the problem of ISIS funding overlap, excuse me, is not relevant in the current period. It is already a question of whether or not to be Syria. It's about cutting the Kurds / Alawites / Shiites or not. That is, we are talking about the next MILITARY ACTION in the terrible time pressure, almost like in October 1941 near Moscow. There is no time to appeal to financial players. The only condition for blocking ISIS finances, or rather trimming, is the establishment of control over all oil production points by the Iraqi government and the Kurdish leaders. And since the latter are now in the role of Pierrot in the lord of Karabas (USA), and they are being beaten with sticks to the laughter of the “common people” in the auditorium, the financial question is the second question. Not soon the stage of some real progress in this will begin to slip.
  47. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 22 September 2015 12: 52 New
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    Good on paper, but the reality is completely different. The United States is not an ally, but on the contrary will mend intrigues, as well as the geyropeytsy. These are still corrupt creatures, and therefore there should not be Russian troops in Syria, if there are none from the United States or from the geyropeytsy depraved. And if Russia will be there alone from the coalition with the Iranians, then the West will demobilize the entire world bastard and send it to Syria against the Russians.
  48. Cucumbers
    Cucumbers 22 September 2015 14: 12 New
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    The author is. Russia should not fight there. Arm Assad, yes, instructors on new technology, yes, but not fight. It's not our war. The USA and the EU have brewed, let them dissipate. Do not give in to the EU nozzles, it's time for them to pay the bills .Russia’s participation in the war immediately level us up. Then they say, you also fought, that means refugees and your problem. And among the refugees these scumbags are full, young guys will be with us all. Let Sodom and Gomorrah drown in shit, and this time we'll see.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 22 September 2015 20: 45 New
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      Russia should not fight there


      Unfortunately in this life it is not always possible to choose to fight or not to fight.

      No matter how cynical, but it is an opportunity to try out the technique in battle, to get combat experience, etc.
      I did not mean to fit in with the full program and drive tens of thousands of soldiers there.
      But the "limited contingent" will have to enter ..
      And the whole range of aircraft technology, helicopters, rocket launchers, and receiver artillery ...
      Machine guns, sniper rifles ..
      Unfortunately, the war is always there.
  49. nikcris
    nikcris 22 September 2015 14: 16 New
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    Here at my window, Tu-160 - Tu-95 is roaring nightly. Well, they would fly to train in launches of the Kyrgyz Republic towards Syria. Although it would be useful. Hurley kerosene with a resource to burn on trolling the poor Scandinavian?
  50. gregor6549
    gregor6549 22 September 2015 14: 22 New
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    ISIS is already working and recruiting supporters around the world. Which of the wilderness will we, ISIS, overturn him in? Is it really not clear what the war between civilization and obscurantism began and is gaining momentum? You can talk a lot about "who is to blame?", But more important now is the answer to the question "what to do?" After all, no carpet and surgical bombing, elite ground forces and "super duper" weapons ISIS problem can not be solved. Therefore, there is enough talk about who, how and why this porridge is brewed. Time to think how to disentangle her. And think fast, forgetting for a while political games and games. No longer up to the games.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 22 September 2015 14: 26 New
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      And what about civilization today? Conchita Wurst? all around ...