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F-15C will be upgraded and kept in service

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Concern "Boeing" has developed a project to upgrade the F-15C Eagle fighter, which will extend its service life to 2040 g, reports Popular Mechanics with reference to the portal Flightglobal.




“The plane is armed with a six-barreled cannon of caliber 20 millimeters and is equipped with 11 suspension points. The 2040C retrofit kit developed by Boeing includes four-point starting guides, thanks to which the fighter’s combat load can be doubled, ”the newspaper writes.

Now F-15C can carry up to 8 air-to-air missiles (AIM-120 AMRAAM), after upgrading their number will increase to 16-ti.

According to the portal, the modernization kit also includes “additional fuel tanks and a multifunctional Talon HAT communication system, which will allow you to share all information with the fifth-generation multi-role fighter F-22”.

In addition, the Eagle will receive the APG-63 (v) 3 radar with an active phased array and synthetic aperture mode, an infrared search and tracking long-range system and an EW EPAWSS system.

It is reported that this set of modernization will receive about two hundred F-15C, standing in service with the US Air Force.

Help edition: “The fourth-generation fighter F-15 was developed by the American company McDonnell Douglas back in the 1972 year, and its mass production began in the 1978 year. The maximum take-off weight of the F-15C is 30,8 tons, while the fighter is able to reach speeds of up to 2700 km / h, and its combat radius is 1900 kilometers. ”

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  1. Maksus
    Maksus 21 September 2015 16: 17 New
    +14
    Well, it seems that the Pentagon is beginning to understand that F-35 is expensive and very expensive. Just why f-15s, and not Strike Igl? It is more versatile. That's just in any way he is not a competitor to our aircraft. I'm not talking about PAK-FA, it does not exist yet, I'm talking about SU-35. The F-15 has no controlled thrust vector, no maneuverability. This is still 4, not 4 +++ generation.
    1. Samaritan
      Samaritan 21 September 2015 16: 20 New
      +5
      I think most likely Boeing was sold to cut loot until 2040 :)
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      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 21 September 2015 16: 27 New
        +5
        F-22 is furiously expensive, F-35 is unsuccessful and unfinished. It remains to modernize the successful developments of the past. Apparently they are no longer eager to overcome modern air defense.
        1. Ajent cho
          Ajent cho 21 September 2015 16: 43 New
          +2
          F-22 furiously dear
          Not only: he is also very highly specialized.
          And the F-15 is nothing wrong in appearance.
          1. remy
            remy 21 September 2015 21: 08 New
            0
            externally and in terms of performance than what our MiG-31 recalls.
            you know that eternal argument about these two planes ....
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 21 September 2015 21: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: remy
              externally and in terms of performance than what our MiG-31 recalls.

              Compared the three-swing Mig. which created Drozdov to drive Orelik a very good machine, almost like our twenty-seventh
              1. supertiger21
                supertiger21 21 September 2015 23: 06 New
                +2
                Quote: Maksus
                . That's just in any way he is not a competitor to our aircraft. I'm not talking about PAK-FA, it does not exist yet, I'm talking about SU-35. The F-15 has no controlled thrust vector, no maneuverability.


                You know how it’s not correct to compare the F-15C and the Su-35C!
                Firstly: there is a 27-year-old difference between them (the first flight of the Needle of modification C was in 1979, and in Drying in 2006).
                Secondly: Su-35S is one of the largest family of Su-27 aircraft. F-15 is also a family, only unlike our airplanes, with a new modification the number does not change but only the letter (example F-15C, F-15E, F-15I, F-15SE, etc.). And if we compare strictly by analogs in the family, then we get this alignment. The analogue of the F-15C is the usual Soviet Su-27, the analogue of the F-15E “Strike Eagle” is the multi-purpose double Su-30MKI, and the analogue of our Su-35C is the newest modification of the Needle - F-15SE “Silent Eagle”.
                So it will be more correct! hi
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      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 21 September 2015 16: 27 New
        +1
        Finally, they begin to do more worthwhile. It turns out that mattresses can think soberly!
        1. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 21 September 2015 20: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          Finally, they begin to do more worthwhile. It turns out that mattresses can think soberly!

          It would be better if they did not start thinking, let them continue to do f 35. It would be calmer.
    3. kil 31
      kil 31 21 September 2015 16: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Maksus
      Well, it seems that the Pentagon is beginning to understand that F-35 is expensive and very expensive. Just why f-15s, and not Strike Igl? It is more versatile. That's just in any way he is not a competitor to our aircraft. I'm not talking about PAK-FA, it does not exist yet, I'm talking about SU-35. The F-15 has no controlled thrust vector, no maneuverability. This is still 4, not 4 +++ generation.

      The engine with a controlled thrust vector is not a problem nowadays, I suspect they will just be in the modification.“The aircraft is armed with a six-barrel gun of 20 millimeters caliber and equipped with 11 suspension points The number of suspensions indicates the engines will be replaced with more substantial ones.
    4. Now we are free
      Now we are free 21 September 2015 16: 29 New
      +12
      Quote: Maksus
      Well, it seems that the Pentagon is beginning to understand that F-35 is expensive and very expensive. Just why f-15s, and not Strike Igl? It is more versatile. That's just in any way he is not a competitor to our aircraft. I'm not talking about PAK-FA, it does not exist yet, I'm talking about SU-35. The F-15 has no controlled thrust vector, no maneuverability. This is still 4, not 4 +++ generation.


      Greetings Maksus hi
      According to the "Strike Igloo" I agree, it is strange that the Pentagon does not finish its modification -E- and -C-. Pleased with this phrase from the article - Now the F-15C can carry up to 8 air-to-air missiles (AIM-120 AMRAAM), after modernization their number will increase up to 16.
      Plus additional fuel tanks under the belly ... In general, the picture will be enchanting wassat Regarding maneuverable air combat, you can completely forget! Well, in general, the Eagle did not differ much in maneuverability before, as I understand it, the stake is placed on a kind of Battle Station:
      -Powerful radar
      -Powerful engine (as the Eagle pilots themselves said -This is not a plane. This is an engine with wings, tail and cabin attached to it.)
      - A large number of suspension points already reaching the point of absurdity 16 PIECES - CARL!

      In general, the U.S. Air Force will get a clumsy rocket machine gun hanging in the air ...
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 21 September 2015 16: 34 New
        +2
        Yes, they have the same concept of modern warfare does not imply a battle "face to face". These needles with 16 missiles apparently want to make them look like an "arsenal ship." A flying launcher with guidance from a satellite or AWACS with AA long-range missiles. And do not care that the shot down of one enemy aircraft may require a salvo of all 16 tees, but the plane is whole, the pilot is whole, and we’ll still print money. The dog fact in the current environment is a disaster for the US Air Force.
        1. vladimir_krm
          vladimir_krm 21 September 2015 20: 29 New
          +2
          "the concept of modern warfare does not mean face-to-face fights"

          Duc, this concept collapsed back in Vietnam :)

          "And do not care that a single salvo of all 16 may be required to bring down one enemy aircraft"

          According to Wikipedia, one AIM-120 costs 1,2 megabytes. 16 pieces - 19.2 lemons. Not weak.

          The conclusion from the article is as follows: the fifth generation is for show-offs, drank and sales, but in reality the tested old man will be at war, flinched by missiles so that there can be no talk of any stealth.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 22 September 2015 07: 46 New
            +1
            Probably the strength of the reflected signal will be similar to a wide-body civilian board. Under it and camouflage by maneuverability.
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 21 September 2015 16: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Now we are free
        a clumsy missile machine gun hanging in the air ...

        ... whose pilot will never see the mark of the one who took it off!
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 21 September 2015 16: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: Now we are free
        In general, the U.S. Air Force will get a clumsy rocket machine gun hanging in the air ...

        Hehe hehe ... I immediately recall the concept of F-4: we don’t need maneuverable combat - we will be fired from afar by rockets. And then they ended up in Vietnam. smile
      4. papas-57
        papas-57 21 September 2015 18: 22 New
        +1
        `` In general, the U.S. Air Force will get a clumsy rocket machine gun hanging in the air. '' It will be a frame with guides for missiles, like on Katyusha. And around the frame an engine, wings, tail, fuel tank and cockpit will add. What will not fly - to hell with him, but terrible to disgrace.
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      6. Falcon
        Falcon 21 September 2015 19: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Now we are free
        Now F-15C can carry up to 8 air-to-air missiles (AIM-120 AMRAAM), after upgrading their number will increase to 16-ti.


        Quote: Now we are free
        - A large number of suspension points already reaching the point of absurdity 16 PIECES - CARL!


        Nonsense, the author was mistaken. Okay, 11 suspension points. But doubling exactly only a couple of points can be put.

        Or so the wing needs to be reloaded - it will be a flying chigunok.
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 21 September 2015 20: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: Falcon
          Or so the wing needs to be reloaded - it will be a flying chigunok.

          The machine will receive conformal tanks as on the shock version or as on the SA or SG version (Saudi and Singaporean respectively), additional pylons are installed on the tanks.
          The options are below:

          1. Falcon
            Falcon 21 September 2015 20: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Mera Joota
            The machine will receive conformal tanks as on the shock version or as on the SA or SG version (Saudi and Singaporean respectively), additional pylons are installed on the tanks.
            The options are below:


            Conformal tanks are not suspended.
            Outboard will be at the missile suspension points.
            1. Mera joota
              Mera joota 21 September 2015 21: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: Falcon
              Outboard will be at the missile suspension points.

              Why, if extra fuel is already in conformal tanks? They are for this purpose made in order to abandon their use by freeing pylons for armament ...
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 21 September 2015 21: 12 New
                +5
                Quote: Mera Joota
                Why, if extra fuel is already in conformal tanks? They are for this purpose made in order to abandon their use by freeing pylons for armament ...

                It will look something like this:
                1. Mera joota
                  Mera joota 21 September 2015 21: 46 New
                  0
                  Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
                  It will look something like this:

                  In fact, the number of missiles is not so important in this modification. F-15 C2040 will receive a radar with AFAR and a hanging container with communication equipment that allows you to work in conjunction with the Raptors. And the number of missiles ... I don’t really imagine the situation when you may need so much ...
                  1. Lt. Air Force stock
                    Lt. Air Force stock 21 September 2015 22: 17 New
                    0
                    Quote: Mera Joota
                    And the number of missiles ... I don’t really imagine the situation when you may need so much ...

                    AMRAAM missiles are capable of not only shooting down enemy fighters, bombers and helicopters, but also cruise missiles and drones. Larger ammunition will save on the cost of a sortie, since now it will take half as many planes to solve the task. The cost of an hour of flight of the 1st F-15 is somewhere around $ 30000.
              2. Falcon
                Falcon 21 September 2015 21: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Mera Joota
                Why, if extra fuel is already in conformal tanks? They are for this purpose made in order to abandon their use by freeing pylons for armament ...

                Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
                It will look something like this:


                Look at the photo:
                conformal tanks are. There is also a PTB. This is strike eagle
                1. Lt. Air Force stock
                  Lt. Air Force stock 21 September 2015 22: 25 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Falcon
                  Look at the photo:
                  conformal tanks are. There is also a PTB. This is strike eagle

                  Which F-15 is not agile, not only is there no controlled thrust vector, there is also no slat (almost all 4th generation aircraft have slats: Grippen, Typhoon, Rafal, MiG-29, Su-27, F-16, F-18).
                  1. Falcon
                    Falcon 21 September 2015 22: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
                    Which F-15 is not agile, not only is there no controlled thrust vector, there is also no slat (almost all 4th generation aircraft have slats: Grippen, Typhoon, Rafal, MiG-29, Su-27, F-16, F-18).


                    PGO maybe not slats? request

                    In general, maneuverability was at the level of the Su-27 of the first parties. Not much worse.
                    Now of course not compare with the Su-35.
                    1. Lt. Air Force stock
                      Lt. Air Force stock 21 September 2015 22: 46 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Falcon
                      PGO maybe not slats?

                      No front horizontal tail is small wings in front of the aircraft as on Eurofighter or Su-30. I'm talking about the leading edge of the wing.
                      For example, Typhoon, the leading edge of the wing is shifted. There is no such mechanism on the F-15.
                      1. Falcon
                        Falcon 22 September 2015 08: 33 New
                        0
                        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
                        I'm talking about the leading edge of the wing.
                        For example, Typhoon, the leading edge of the wing is shifted. There is no such mechanism on the F-15.


                        Yes, in general, slats are more for landing and take-off. To increase lift.
                        He has more developed rear mechanization, and slats are not required. They do not deviate like ailerons.
                        Rather, a feature, not a disadvantage.

                        Slats on maneuverability especially not affect request
        2. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 21 September 2015 20: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Falcon
          Or so the wing needs to be reloaded - it will be a flying chigunok.

          1 rocket AIM-120C-7 weighs only 161,5 kilograms. 16 * 161,5 = 2584 kilograms weigh all 16 missiles. Let me remind you the F-15 combat load of 11000 kilograms (Strike Eagle). 11000-2584 = 8416 kilograms remain on fuel.
      7. Mera joota
        Mera joota 21 September 2015 20: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Now we are free
        I was pleased with this phrase from the article - Now the F-15C can carry up to 8 air-to-air missiles (AIM-120 AMRAAM), after modernization their number will increase to 16.
        Plus additional fuel tanks under the belly ... In general, the picture will be enchanting

        Rejoice please. It is quite clear ...


        Quote: Now we are free
        Regarding maneuverable air combat, you can completely forget!

        And which combat aircraft with fully loaded pylons is capable of doing this? Discover the secret!
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    6. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 21 September 2015 16: 32 New
      0
      We figured out at the Pentagon, and I was already glad that a good proven car was replaced with a gold F-35. winked
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 September 2015 16: 59 New
        +13
        for Lord of the Sith:
        The F-35 is replacing the F-16, F-18 and Harrier.
        It was never planned to replace them with the F-15.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 21 September 2015 18: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          for Lord of the Sith:
          The F-35 is replacing the F-16, F-18 and Harrier.
          It was never planned to replace them with the F-15.

          Yes, your truth.
    7. Su24
      Su24 21 September 2015 16: 34 New
      +3
      Not bad swings. For more than 60 years to operate the fighter. Although, probably, by that time we will also still have a part of the Su-27 family aircraft. Although, again, they will have much more new construction (the Americans have not bought new F-15s since the 90s).
      1. Kingdino
        Kingdino 21 September 2015 19: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Su24
        Not bad swings. For more than 60 years to operate the fighter. Although, probably, by that time we will also still have a part of the Su-27 family aircraft. Although, again, they will have much more new construction (the Americans have not bought new F-15s since the 90s).

        in fact, this is not so. You simply do not know the American licensing market, the American government licenses the purchase of Ф15, 1 unit, so as not to buy another Ф15, it will be modernized, and now the hocus pocus is that a new aircraft with an old license is going to be built on the basis of the Air Force, which is much cheaper than buying another license ....
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    9. opus
      opus 21 September 2015 17: 09 New
      +6
      Quote: Maksus
      Just why f-15s, and not Strike Igl?

      1 Single
      2: A fighter (not a fighter bomber) gaining air superiority
      3. This is the 4 generation, without 4 ++
      Why upgrade the F-15E Strike Eagl when they're almost new?

      C 1979 to 3 November 1989. Released 409x F-15C and 61 F-15D2 + 55x F-15C and 19 F-15D were built for Saudi Arabia.

      McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle, based on 2x Mixed Combat Training F-15D fighter.

      Quote: Maksus
      I'm talking about SU-35

      4 ++
      36 serial, yes 2 experimental, versus 400-500?

      F-15SE Silent Eagle without any UVT is the same 4 ++, however, like McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle
    10. vodolaz
      vodolaz 21 September 2015 18: 12 New
      -2
      So no wonder: F-35 can’t finish it until now. Yes, and the F-22 is small, plus it costs like a cast-iron bridge.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 21 September 2015 23: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: vodolaz
        So no wonder: F-35 can’t finish it until now. Yes, and the F-22 is small, plus it costs like a cast-iron bridge.


        And only we alone are wonderful wassat !!! We’ll smash all their rubbish into smithereens, as many as 5 PAK FA, this is not 180 F-22 and 150 F-35 fellow !!!
  2. Artillerist
    Artillerist 21 September 2015 16: 19 New
    +5
    F-15C will be upgraded and kept in service
    From the point of view of common sense - the decision is right, but it also means recognition of the failure of the F-35.
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 21 September 2015 16: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Artillerist
      F-35 recognition failure.


      There is no failure at all.
      Companies involved in the development of the F-35 have already survived twice: first for orders from the USAAF, then for the supply of unfinished, almost unprepared fighters to other countries. Now you can take your time, interrupting for lunches with caviar and sparkling wine, "modify the file" "golden F-35" for "internal use".
      1. Kosta
        Kosta 21 September 2015 17: 17 New
        +3
        but in essence there is something to say, besides the yellow press, like the Daily Beast and David Ax?
        because that's probably why all the pilots that flew give positive feedback.
        modern and advanced brao, radar with afar, eo das, infrared sighting system for vp and vv, communication systems, REP system, information display systems, stealth, optimal for MFI lkh.
        If all this is integrated into the F-15, it will cost no less, and then the plane is immediately designed taking into account

        ps and do not count other people's money)
    2. Falcon
      Falcon 21 September 2015 18: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: Artillerist
      F-15C will be upgraded and kept in service
      From the point of view of common sense - the decision is right, but it also means recognition of the failure of the F-35.


      F-15 fighter air superiority, F-35 strike.

      Different tasks, there is no recognition of failure ...
    3. supertiger21
      supertiger21 21 September 2015 23: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Artillerist
      F-15C will be upgraded and kept in service
      From the point of view of common sense - the decision is right, but it also means recognition of the failure of the F-35.


      There can be no recognition of failure, because: 1) the F-15C and F-35 are similar in purpose to the MiG-31 and Su-34, so comparing them, let alone talking about the legacy, is not correct; 2) The decision to extend the service of the F-15C until the 2040th does not depend on the F-35 program at all, and was considered before the start of production of the 35th.
  3. oberon 1
    oberon 1 21 September 2015 16: 22 New
    +1
    And then they will understand that this did not live up to their hopes .. after the money has spent time.
  4. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 21 September 2015 16: 23 New
    -3
    Boeing has developed a modernization project for the F-15C Eagle fighter, which will extend its service life to 2040 g.

    F-15C in production since 1978. More than 60 years in service for a fighter is a deadline.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 21 September 2015 16: 26 New
      +4
      I didn’t teach math - I smoked cigarettes, drank water.
      PS Has become a marshal on the site.
      PS2 I can not sell the calculator expensive.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 21 September 2015 16: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: nikcris
        I didn’t teach math - I smoked cigarettes, drank water.
        PS Has become a marshal on the site.
        PS2 I can not sell the calculator expensive.

        I can sell points inexpensively.
        Quote: Alexey RA
        which will allow extend its life to 2040 g,
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 21 September 2015 20: 01 New
          +3
          Sell ​​points! We need a feldipersovy rim. Left -3, right -4. Photochromic. I’m putting 9000. I can move up to 15000 for filipserving. Only chromeplastic is not from China!
          PS It can be extended for another hundred years, only who will check it?
          PS2 Instead of admitting a mistake and neighing, you start a bodyagi - I'm not me and my horse is not mine.
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 21 September 2015 16: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexey RA
      More than 60 years in service for a fighter is a deadline.

      For the P-51 Mustang? wink Bug, Alex. hi
    3. NOMADE
      NOMADE 21 September 2015 16: 32 New
      +1
      but good enough .. especially do not confuse the first needle with the modification of silent needles. there, only the fuselage remains from the plane .., everything else changes to composites and a new Breo and avionics with engines. and it turns out the device with low visibility and good breo and with improved flight qualities. some analogy with su 27 and su 32))
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 September 2015 16: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: NOMADE
        su 32))

        With what? belay
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 21 September 2015 19: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: NOMADE
          su 32))

          With what? belay


          In general, the Su-32 is an export modification of the Su-34. hi
          But I think they meant the Su-30
          1. NOMADE
            NOMADE 22 September 2015 02: 24 New
            +1
            repeat thank you for correcting, sealed up, yes, it is Su - 30 hi
      2. tomket
        tomket 21 September 2015 19: 03 New
        0
        Quote: NOMADE
        some analogy with su 27 and su 32))

        So good that no one orders him and he flies in competitions.))))
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 21 September 2015 19: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: tomket
          So good that no one orders him and he flies in competitions.))))


          Its produced 1600 units. Almost two times more than the modifications of the Su-27.

          Exploited by Japan, Saudi Arabia and Israel. Not the last countries on the arms market ...
          1. tomket
            tomket 21 September 2015 20: 13 New
            +2
            1600 units of "Silent Eagle" ???
            1. Falcon
              Falcon 21 September 2015 20: 41 New
              0
              Quote: tomket
              1600 units of "Silent Eagle" ???

              Only F-15 of course, but on the basis of developments on Silent there will be a modernization
      3. vladimir_krm
        vladimir_krm 21 September 2015 20: 40 New
        +1
        With 16 missiles - low visibility ?? :)
        1. NOMADE
          NOMADE 22 September 2015 15: 38 New
          0
          it’s the flight of “democratization” to a country with a weak air defense system, and other suspension options are quite possible. most likely there will be a suspension under the "belly in a row"
    4. mishaia_23
      mishaia_23 21 September 2015 16: 40 New
      0
      It seems to be 37 years old.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 21 September 2015 16: 49 New
        0
        Quote: mishaia_23
        It seems to be 37 years old.

        This is for 2015. But they also want to extend its service life right up to 2040. So it turns out - more than 60 years.
      2. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 21 September 2015 18: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        F-15C in production since 1978. More than 60 years in service for a fighter is a deadline.


        Quote: mishaia_23
        It seems to be 37 years old.


        No comment. lol
  5. nikcris
    nikcris 21 September 2015 16: 24 New
    0
    Cool. No, well, what’s the thirty-fifth forever, but you need to fly on something ...
  6. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 21 September 2015 16: 27 New
    0
    Crap with the “thirty-fifths” implies an even greater increase in the Pentagon’s budget, because good money is needed for modernization. But the cutters of the American military financial pie will not go to reduce any programs - so we are waiting for further accusations of Russia in everything that is possible. The electorate must believe the hawks from the Pentagon! After all, the most correct truth is only in America lol
    So these peers of our “twenty-seventh” fly like our birds soldier
    1. NOMADE
      NOMADE 22 September 2015 15: 34 New
      0
      and here "cut"? they go, according to a very sound anlogy, like us, they are perfecting a very good platform f -15 from state "4" to state at least "4+", and in terms of breo to state "4 ++"
      he does not replace f-35!
      quite sensibly ((
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 22 September 2015 15: 59 New
        0
        Quote: NOMADE
        and in terms of breo to the state of "4 ++"


        To pull on 4 ++ you need to have either super-maneuverability (like on the Su-35C), or the presence of stealth technologies (like on the F / A-18 Super Hornet). To do this, it’s not enough to have only a modern avionics.
  7. starshina pv
    starshina pv 21 September 2015 16: 37 New
    0
    Duc, he probably gets heavier with all the double bells and whistles and fuel tanks, how will it be with speed, with a maneuver? although I’m not an aviation specialist.
  8. Makarov
    Makarov 21 September 2015 16: 42 New
    +1
    Well, this is their only heavy fighter in the ranks ... everything else is so ... an all-weather misunderstanding ... a good machine, although more likely this: good weapons in a bad car ...
  9. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 21 September 2015 17: 12 New
    +2
    People everywhere reason the same way. And in America, the resources are not unlimited in Russia. For example, the T-90AM tank is very expensive, and the T-14 is still only in the future, but there are two tens of thousands of old, but quite good T-72s of various modifications. Naturally, the Ministry of Defense makes a decision on the maximum modernization of the T-72 to the level of approximately T-90, on the production of the T-90 and on the speedy implementation of the T-14.
    The Americans did essentially the same thing - they upgrade the obsolete F-15C to a new level, because if you just wait until the normal F-35 appears, then you can stay without fighters.
    One thing I can say, as time shows, in the United States there has long been a cut in budget money. It is possible that this modernization will be delayed, as in order to carry weapons and fuel twice as much, more powerful engines are needed, which means that we need to change the glider and the whole appearance of the aircraft. Well, the military will certainly want better maneuverability and less visibility. In fact - this is a new plane.
    1. tomket
      tomket 21 September 2015 19: 05 New
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      Quote: Алексей_К
      Naturally, the Ministry of Defense decides to maximize the T-72 to a level close to the T-90,

      t-72б3 did not stand next to t-90, especially MS. So we don’t need tales here about the “wise” genius of the Moscow Region and Serdyukov in particular, who lowered the purchase of b3
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 21 September 2015 20: 24 New
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        So we don’t need here stories about the “wise” genius of the Moscow Region and Serdyukov in particular, who lowered the purchase of b3

        Respondent that, for example, Phantom 2 and Eagle flew side by side for 14 years (in the US Air Force), although they clearly duplicated each other.
      2. nikcris
        nikcris 21 September 2015 20: 28 New
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        And who was standing on whom? Don’t be offended - I did not understand Chesslovo anything, like Preobrazhensky. Well, you realized that I wanted to blather bully
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 21 September 2015 20: 40 New
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          Quote: nikcris
          And who was standing on whom? Don’t be offended - I did not understand Chesslovo anything, like Preobrazhensky. Well, you realized that I wanted to blather bully

          Aleksey_K wanted to express his thought that before re-equipping with new equipment, in order not to remain with the old, it is necessary to patch up what is. He simply poured water with his pearls, and without understanding the matter (he decided that Lightning2 was replacing the Igloo, which was not so, well, about tanks too) aroused indignation at tomket.
          I just supported the main idea that I stated above, I don’t agree with the rest either (especially the link to "cut the dough", who has something that hurts, as they say ...)
          Quote: Алексей_К
          It is possible that this modernization will be delayed, as in order to carry weapons and fuel twice as much, more powerful engines are needed, which means that we need to change the glider and the whole appearance of the aircraft.

          The use of conformal tanks allows in some cases not to suspend the PTB, and due to the released pylons to increase the number of suspended weapons, plus additional pylons are installed on the tanks themselves, allowing them to double their number. V-in missiles themselves are not particularly heavy, especially in comparison with full PTB ...
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 21 September 2015 21: 48 New
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            Quote: Mera Joota
            V-in missiles themselves are not particularly heavy, especially in comparison with full PTB ...

            Of course, 4 AIM-7 Sparrow missiles weigh a little over 900 kg. But 8 - 1825 kg. In addition, there is a higher air resistance, then the suspension is external. So the wing will have to be strengthened, and therefore the wing mount will be strengthened. The fighter’s speed reduction is unlikely to appeal to the military.
            In any case, the engine will have to be installed more powerful, otherwise the loss of speed and maneuverability. And for sure the military will want to put engines with an adjustable thrust vector.
            In most cases, such upgrades do not pass without changing the fuselage.
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 21 September 2015 21: 31 New
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        Quote: tomket
        t-72б3 did not stand next to t-90, especially MS. So we don’t need tales here about the “wise” genius of the Moscow Region and Serdyukov in particular, who lowered the purchase of b3

        Those decisions that Serdyukov made, if they contradict Shoigu, have long been canceled. If Shoigu thought something was right, then now we need to send to Shoigu. "So we don’t need here stories about the" wise "genius of Moscow Region and the genius of Shoigu" - you should have written to me like that. And then you will soon send me to Peter I. Shoigu has been the Minister of Defense for three years.
  10. demotivator
    demotivator 22 September 2015 06: 16 New
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    Another piece of news - in China, the hypersonic aircraft recently completed its first test flight, which surpassed all modern supersonic aircraft in speed, including the American strategic supersonic reconnaissance aircraft SR-71 Blackbird. Serious application.