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Does Russia need pocket armies?

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Does Russia need pocket armies?



In Russian society, they again started talking about the possibility of the existence of private military companies in the country (PMCs). This is apparently due to the fact that Russia can take part in resolving some conflicts abroad, including Syria. It is no secret that many security tasks, when US troops acted in Iraq and Afghanistan, were solved by PMCs. Is it possible with the participation of PMCs from Russia?

Explaining the Kremlin’s position on the possibility of private security companies in the country, presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov did not rule out that the issue of allowing private military companies in Russia is being discussed in a number of departments, but this topic was not actively worked out in the presidential administration. He said that the presidential administration is currently intensively preparing for the UN General Assembly. Accordingly, more relevant geopolitical topics are being worked out.

Meanwhile, the question of PMCs among some experts and a number of politicians is still considered timely. As you know, in 2012, Vladimir Putin, who was then prime minister, supported the idea of ​​creating a system of private military companies in Russia that could provide security services and training foreign military abroad without the participation of the Russian state. In October, 2014, a bill on private military security companies was submitted to the State Duma. According to the author of the bill, State Duma deputy from “Fair Russia” Gennady Nosovko, the bill spells out social guarantees for employees of such companies, tasks that they can solve, and certain prohibitions.

However, the issue of creating PMCs was postponed. Apparently it was not by chance that the former Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia, Army General Yuri Baluyevsky, who had previously been involved in the development of amendments to the military doctrine, spoke on this topic in May 2015. Baluyevsky then bluntly stated that the creation of private military companies in Russia violated the country's constitution and the state’s monopoly on defense. He stressed that the basis for the creation of private military companies is the extraction of economic profits. “PMCs are essentially a pocket army, such companies are then turned into illegal armed groups,” he said. His statements were made when he took part in the presentation of the book by American journalist Jeremy Skahill called “Blackwater” about the activities of the same name of a private military company from the United States. Prior to 2009, Blackwater participated in the Iraq War under a contract with the US government, providing military and security services. The company has been repeatedly accused of killing civilians.

There is another aspect here that Baluyevsky did not mention. In any case, especially if PMCs take part in a particular war, they are usually financed by the state itself. It was according to this formula that the USPs operated in Iraq. If we now create Russian PMCs, and send them, for example, to Syria, then this will again be considered "as the hand of the Kremlin." So why make a fuss?

According to the Russian media, the State Duma is currently considering a draft law on private military companies. The first version of the document on PMCs was submitted by deputies from “Fair Russia” 22 in October last year, but on November X, the legal department of the State Duma considered it not to comply with Art. 13 Constitution and Art. 104 State Duma regulations. They require the mandatory conclusion of the government on bills envisaging expenditures from the budget (to this, the legal authorities attributed the licensing of PMCs to the Federal Security Service). Therefore, the Duma Defense Committee proposed to the Duma Council that the draft law be returned to the authors, which was done on November 105. In the new edition of the document several provisions have been changed. If in the first version, employees of PMCs could become persons who have reached 17 years, then in the second version, the age bracket has been raised to the 18 year. Norms that allow PMCs to “mediate or alternatively resolve armed conflicts outside the Russian Federation” and the opportunity to trade are also excluded from the project. weapons (in the first version, companies were only forbidden to do this without a corresponding license).

Thus, with such a consideration of the draft PMC policy, their formation in the Russian Federation really becomes irrelevant. To protect the business can not private security companies, and private security companies. And then PMCs for what, if the law prohibits their use in military conflicts?

Russia should realize its geopolitical interests with the support of its own state institutions - the army, the foreign ministry and the special services.
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  1. Wolka
    Wolka 23 September 2015 05: 13 New
    -2
    PMCs existed before when the USSR was under the patronage of the KGB, will exist now, but it’s not accepted to talk about it aloud, whoever wants to will ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 23 September 2015 05: 50 New
      +16
      The word "private" - I personally do not like it - in relation to the defense of the state! A mercenary, he is a mercenary - a man without honor and conscience in its mass ... A gang to solve dirty tasks!
      1. Doctor Savage
        Doctor Savage 23 September 2015 06: 32 New
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        The word "private" - I personally do not like


        And rightly so, I don’t like it!
        This tracing-paper (with Private Militare Company), as well as other tracing-paper people, thoughtlessly haws.

        But not all!

        Enter YOUR term - probably not enough brains.
      2. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 23 September 2015 08: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        The word "private" - I personally do not like it - in relation to the defense of the state! A mercenary, he is a mercenary - a man without honor and conscience in its mass ... A gang to solve dirty tasks!

        War is blood and dirt and no matter what is written on the chevron of the one who kneads this mess. Scum without morality and professionals do not forget that they are people on both sides.
        And they are unlikely to allow them to be directly defended by the State. Ukrainian practice has shown disastrous results, nor any coordination with the actions of the Armed Forces.
      3. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 23 September 2015 08: 29 New
        +2
        Russia should realize its geopolitical interests with the support of its own state institutions - the army, the foreign ministry and the special services.

        Kolomoisky’s pocket army’s experience in Ukraine must have explained a lot to Putin, too, oligarchs up to x and more .. if they don’t shake the country, they will go to defend Putin (the state), but the interests of the oligarch-breadwinner.
        The whole topic is clearly pushed from the filing of our oligarchs, because it’s not us and our colleagues who will create them - our destiny is only to be “cannon fodder” ...
      4. yushch
        yushch 23 September 2015 09: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        The word "private" - I personally do not like it - in relation to the defense of the state! A mercenary, he is a mercenary - a man without honor and conscience in its mass ... A gang to solve dirty tasks!


        You and the author miss one very important point. Zinc coffins. As soon as they go home, the people will begin to strain. This is feared in any country in the world. Therefore, the Anglo-Saxons came up with PMCs. Problems are solved, but the state, as it were, is not at work.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 23 September 2015 13: 49 New
          +1
          yushch (6)
          You and the author miss one very important point. Zinc coffins. As soon as they go home, the people will begin to strain. This is feared in any country in the world. Therefore, the Anglo-Saxons came up with PMCs. Problems are solved, but the state, as it were, is not at work.

          PMCs in the Russian Federation are needed precisely by modern OLIGARCHS as NEW RUSSIAN FEEDALS to continue raider seizures of other people's property in the country - both state and private.
          PMCs are a continuation of the PARASITISM of oligarchs on the SIMPLE PEOPLE in any country - wherever PMCs "work" - whether in their own country or abroad! First of all, oligarchs will fill their pockets with “gold”! And thugs from PMCs from the oligarchic table will not even have their “scraps”! Only crumbs and xivu!
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 24 September 2015 04: 26 New
            0
            First of all, oligarchs will fill their pockets with “gold”! And thugs from PMCs from the oligarchic table will not even have their “scraps”! Only crumbs and xivu!


            And this "ksiva" will mean anything for law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation? Seeing her they will have to fall "face into the ground" or put the owner ??? what

            stop Do not take to heart the episodes of the series Call Sign "The Flock."
            In this regard, it is better - "In August of the 44th" good
    2. Vadim-Skeptic
      Vadim-Skeptic 23 September 2015 06: 37 New
      +5
      This stuffing article and the like, this fap and jerking on PMCs will later be called “public discussion”. Not only will the PMC law be contrary to the law on weapons, because no one has yet said why PMCs are needed in Russia and what are the advantages for a state that, as we all know, is not a bunch of oligarchs like Kolomoisky.
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 23 September 2015 07: 00 New
        +3
        PMCs - in my opinion - this is just a legitimate form of banditry! Russia does not need it !!!
        1. Slobber
          Slobber 23 September 2015 07: 33 New
          +2
          it's just a legitimate form of banditry

          I will support. Using PMCs instead of the army is the same as using a whore instead of a wife. It would be better if they were involved in the army. And besides, in Moscow alone there will be all kinds of private security companies for a small army.
          1. the polar
            the polar 23 September 2015 08: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: razgildyay
            it's just a legitimate form of banditry

            I will support. Using PMCs instead of the army is the same as using a whore instead of a wife. It would be better if they were involved in the army. And besides, in Moscow alone there will be all kinds of private security companies for a small army.

            It’s time to close all private security functions and transfer all security functions to private security. The huckster wants to protect his store, let him conclude an agreement with the private security of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and does not contain his own semi-criminal ChOP gang.
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 23 September 2015 09: 09 New
              +1
              now, exactly the opposite is happening, the SVOs are drastically reduced, and their functions are transferred to the private security companies, the police "reform" is ongoing .. soon there will be only press secretaries in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, we should shine with muzzles on the TV that everyone, the last bandit behind bars, sleep quietly citizens wassat
            2. Nosgoth
              Nosgoth 30 September 2015 16: 31 New
              0
              Trying in vain, "truth-tellers" do not notice such words (about chop) and try hard to pretend that no one said anything :-)))))
        2. Nosgoth
          Nosgoth 30 September 2015 16: 30 New
          0
          then you have a poor understanding
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 23 September 2015 07: 41 New
      +1
      Let's start from the widespread postulate: whoever pays, he also orders music. If the state pays for PMCs, why bother with a safe garden? If this is really a "private military company" then what does the state have to do with it, even if common interests coincide? The truth is, this niche in Russia is still free for business. From here and draw conclusions.
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      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 23 September 2015 13: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        If the state pays for PMCs

        The state pays not "for PMCs". The state hires PMCs (usually not directly, but through certain buffer companies) to perform certain tasks outside the Russian Federation.

        Feel the difference yes

        Quote: siberalt
        If it is truly a "private military company"

        This is a truly private military company. It provides a range of services. The state may hire PMCs .. or may not hire ..

        Quote: siberalt
        even if common interests coincide

        Um .. when I call plumbing, for some reason I don’t think if our interests coincide .. and with PMCs
    5. lukewarm
      lukewarm 23 September 2015 14: 21 New
      -1
      I would like examples.
  2. Dionis2019
    Dionis2019 23 September 2015 05: 50 New
    +4
    A Russian warrior must defend his homeland, and not die for money in a foreign country ...
    1. Nosgoth
      Nosgoth 30 September 2015 16: 52 New
      0
      Well, because they perished and will perish.

      Do you think it's better to go to crime? The same former military men, who were once again reduced / disbanded, since they, in your opinion, are so unreliable that even in the official office (PMC), which is under the control of the special services and strictly follows the laws of the state (otherwise they’ll just cover it without any noise), can do business?

      Or is double standards not only the prerogative of the United States, but ours too?

      Many of our military specialists in other countries (where officially there are no “ours”), they are military advisers, are the same mercenaries who, while they are “there”, are not officially members of the armed forces, but receive salaries. And who should be engaged in logistics (to deliver the specialists themselves, to provide food, clothing, weapons, intelligence, etc.), who should pay a salary since they are no longer in the service, but on a business trip, but medical service, etc.? This is all money and they do not go directly but indirectly through firms.

      This is essentially the same PMC since these people distance themselves from the state (in those cases when the state does not directly want to draw attention to itself, officially speaking on the side of one of the parties to the conflict), and such our PMCs were in Korea, Vietnam and many other countries, where the USSR / Russia was not officially a party to the conflict.

      So your hypocrisy is just ridiculous.

      I understand that the local "fragile minds" immediately praises the word "private" to heaven as a concentrated evil (they go as much as fear), but this is just a status that simply allows not to tie these companies to a specific state and its world politics arena. After all, if you call them State Military Companies (GVK), then all meaning will be immediately lost.

      Quote: Dionis2019
      A Russian warrior must defend his homeland, and not die for money in a foreign country ...


      Sometimes it is necessary to help the allies, and it is even easier to destroy a common enemy on foreign territory than to wait for it to crush resistance there, gain strength and come to us (the same Syria, Ukraine). In addition, it will also destroy our enterprises (oil, energy, etc.) and economic ties there. Are you happy for this?

      Or is it better for you to send young boys there, many of whom will come home to their mothers or the disabled or in zinc? Moreover, thereby (spraying forces), the defense of one’s own country will weaken, including a decrease in the rating of confidence in the authorities, and as a result, an increase in the likelihood of some sort of color revolution.
  3. ArcanAG
    ArcanAG 23 September 2015 07: 52 New
    0
    If only under the full control of the state. Those. according to the documents, a private, but in fact some kind of special team.
  4. Million
    Million 23 September 2015 08: 10 New
    +3
    The army should be popular, not private. Private is just a gang
  5. deleter24
    deleter24 23 September 2015 08: 15 New
    +1
    I completely agree with the author. If the army is not in state hands, even if only partially, then this will come out sideways for us. An example is education, medicine. Article plus.
  6. akudr48
    akudr48 23 September 2015 08: 47 New
    +4
    Private military companies,

    Private health care

    Private education

    Private ownership of mineral resources and resources,

    Private prisons

    Private cemeteries

    Private law enforcement system

    Private government

    .................................


    And what the hell do we need such a state for!
    1. Gorinich
      Gorinich 23 September 2015 10: 02 New
      0
      Absolutely right. Only after all, the bourgeoisie strive to ensure that there is no state. And would TNCs rule the whole ball?
  7. ARES623
    ARES623 23 September 2015 09: 07 New
    0
    No PMCs, there are private security companies and private individuals. Under the tasks of PMCs, it is necessary to “comb” the Federal Law on private detective and security activities.
  8. Arzoo
    Arzoo 23 September 2015 09: 56 New
    +2
    Perhaps they will be useful in certain circumstances.
  9. iouris
    iouris 23 September 2015 11: 32 New
    0
    First of all, as the ancients said: we will agree on the concepts. It is necessary to legally determine what is meant by PMCs. Everything that can become a source of threat to the independence and existence of Russia should be under the strict control of the one whose occupation is "master of the Russian land." Semibankirshchina or seven-boyarschina in this situation is unacceptable. Such a sovereign will become a synonym for the state, and in this sense, the entire military organization of the Russian Federation will become PMCs. The idea of ​​PMCs is being promoted by "super-professionals", in fact a military who wants to sell for much more money than any modern contract guarantees. These "wild geese" must be kept under close control.
  10. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 23 September 2015 12: 47 New
    +1
    Dear colleagues, if you consider the issue of PMCs from a different angle.
    Immediately make a reservation, I am not a supporter of the creation of PMCs, because I vaguely understand the mechanism for their use in the realities of modern Russia, and to be honest, I don’t understand how to formalize all this legislatively.
    But if we consider as an option that the death of mercenaries does not carry the same degree of tension in society as the death of military personnel of the Armed Forces, this topic is of interest. The death of a person who consciously chose this type of "employment" will be taken for granted. And I didn’t come up with it, this system has been worked out for decades, in particular by the French Foreign Legion. In this, of course, there is a sufficient proportion of cynicism. But the fact remains, the French foreign legion is used to this day all over the world, and French mothers do not mourn the dead sons. I can object that the legion is not PMCs, but I agree, but it is built on the same principles.

    Well, such an alternative thought was born. request
  11. Cat man null
    Cat man null 23 September 2015 13: 36 New
    +1
    There is another aspect here that Baluyevsky did not mention. In any case, especially if PMCs take part in a particular war, they are usually financed by the state itself. It was according to this formula that the USPs operated in Iraq. If we now create Russian PMCs, and send them, for example, to Syria, then this will again be considered "as the hand of the Kremlin." So why make a fuss?

    The author either does not understand how PMCs work, or he deliberately distorts. In any case, the author is wrong.

    As it really is:

    - let's say the state of the Russian Federation wants to hire a certain PMC for action .. yes in the same Syria, for example
    - for this, PMC concludes a contract with a certain (preferably operating in Syria) company "Horns and Hooves" to paint the sky blue .. or to protect something .. it doesn’t matter
    - on the basis of this contract PMC operates in Syria
    - The state of the Russian Federation "helps" the company "Horns and Hooves" in paying for the services of this PMC. Unofficially wink

    Who actually hired her and why, of course, you can get to the bottom of it .. but it’s much more difficult to link the actions of this PMC to the state of the Russian Federation than the actions of the Russian army on the territory of the same Syria, if you use the army there, and not PMCs.

    That's something like yes
  12. lukewarm
    lukewarm 23 September 2015 14: 35 New
    0
    PMC issues are raised by many experts and bloggers. It is enough to see the blogs of T. Volkova and General Kanchukov. The latter advocates the creation of PMCs. Volkova did not explicitly find “For”. IMHO. PMCs - a reflection of the balance of power, the "balance" between transnational corporations and the state. Sobsno PMCs are a sign that corporations are "squeezing" these monopolies of warfare and the armed forces of the state. Essno, under a plausible pretext, "do not shine" the state. Here in this hypostasis PMCs are attractive. And the rest? Pts is a slippery topic where you can slip and smash your head "Sapsem death." How will the state control these PMCs? A controlling stake? The law? And if the private army bucks and puts on the law with the device? And, yes, clever thought sounded above. If there is a Russian PMC - one x .., the "free" media will immediately shout about the "hand of Moscow". However, the elephant walks. Overton's window has not been canceled. The issue is already being discussed, so PMCs somehow entered our life and didn’t make it better. Especially if you recall that there was a topic about permission to serve foreigners in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Something like this. They will not ask us as usual.
  13. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 23 September 2015 17: 20 New
    0
    No one should have armies except the state. Otherwise - a mess.
  14. trak
    trak 23 September 2015 19: 15 New
    0
    I read the comments of the opponents of PMCs. It seems that these are all people at a very solid age. "Forever yesterday". Locked in the world of their ideas and do not want to recognize any realities of the 21-th century. It's a pity. Good people in general, love their homeland. But they love her only as she thinks they should be. Sorry for them. After all, it is said who agrees with life, that she leads, and who disagree, that she drags.
  15. arrows
    arrows 23 September 2015 20: 40 New
    0
    All kinds of armies are important, different armies are needed !!!
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  18. arrows
    arrows 23 September 2015 20: 46 New
    -1
    It looks like son, you are forever after tomorrow and not a second today. I feel sorry for you, so young and so many sexually transmitted diseases.
  19. trak
    trak 23 September 2015 21: 30 New
    0
    Good luck arrow. The day after tomorrow is written together. It seems you - my friend, and in your bright yesterday were not friendly with good luck. And it’s also said, about what and about whom a person would argue, he always tells others about himself. Why are you talking about sexually transmitted diseases here? What is this topic close to you, what is treasured? I thought at first that it was in the order of evil humor, but I rejected this conjecture. Painfully dull and stupid for humor, then ...
  20. trak
    trak 23 September 2015 21: 48 New
    0
    Again for Strelokudachi. And your last comment was actually addressed to me, or did I not understand something?
  21. ML-334
    ML-334 24 September 2015 06: 45 New
    0
    Let there be not PMCs, but PEOPLE PEOPLE. The guys showed their best side. And they are.
  22. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 24 September 2015 08: 22 New
    0
    Yeah! Identify each oligarch in his own army (which, by the way, they already have!) And what happens? It is necessary to make changes to the constitution, just as non-legal territorial entities will arise by themselves (such as: this is mine and don’t get in here), frictions in small things are already occurring, hunters are scandalizing the owners of sites located along the coast with a reservoir, they are blocked by access to the coast . The emergence of PMCs (legitimizing them) threatens the beginning of internal internecine conflicts and this will not be boring to everyone, who got their teeth on edge for the average man, the so-called raider seizures. The army should be united, only the state should decide defense issues! Only it can allow its power structures to create temporary power units to solve state defense issues, including with a view to providing armed assistance to friendly regimes outside the country.
  23. ML-334
    ML-334 24 September 2015 08: 25 New
    +1
    Your minus will not get anywhere specialists fighting for money. Specialists who have passed everything that can and can do well are just that. Remember the 90s when many went to crime.
  24. ML-334
    ML-334 24 September 2015 08: 54 New
    +1
    PMCs under the auspices of the state play the role of a lightning rod at the right moments. I will never believe that US PMCs perform tasks separately from US policy and are not controlled by the State Department. I will not have to use conscripts where SPECIALS will work.
  25. trak
    trak 24 September 2015 14: 01 New
    +2
    The accusations that allow the private security committees, and all the oligarchs will create armies for themselves and tear the country into destinies, to me personally seem like a foolish delusion. I won’t even explain why, the weak-minded will not understand anyway, and they will not listen. Therefore, simply ask a simple question, and where, in which countries that have allowed private security companies, this happened? The oligarchs of America have already torn it with their PMCs? Waiting for an answer, like a nightingale of summer ...