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Judging by the “sounds” that come from behind the closed doors of the Central Bank, which have already penetrated even into the international media, the process of hardware struggle between the “old liberals” and the “new liberals” has entered the home stretch. This is good news. And here the matter is not even in the Central Bank, but in the direction of the general economic course.

My old readers will probably remember that I have a very positive attitude to the actions and statements of the “new” (since January 2015) deputy chairman of the Central Bank Dmitry Tulin.

Despite the fact that Tulin is responsible in the Central Bank for monetary policy, his sphere of interest (with explicit agreement with the Kremlin, which, according to liberal media, in fact, insisted on his appearance in the Central Bank) fell ruble, relations with banks and politics Central Bank as a whole.

What I liked Tulin:

- He demanded to bring currency trading on the Moscow stock exchange to a civilized state, so that the stock exchange ceased to be a place for a purely speculative acceleration of the exchange rate. For example, Tulin demanded the introduction of "discrete auctions for currency": http://top.rbc.ru/finances/16/03/2015/5506e8ce9a79472c5d7ec84a. It makes no sense to go into technical details, suffice it to say that from a practical point of view, this would greatly complicate the attempts to “break up” the course in the illiquid market. It is significant that the Ministry of Finance, Moscow Exchange and market participants were against this innovation.

- Tulin demands from banks that they cut interest rates on loans following a decrease in the rate of the Central Bank, and not try to “eat up their margin” at the expense of other sectors of the economy. It is easy to guess that he did not earn any sympathy from the banking community: http://ria.ru/economy/20150316/1052848402.html.

Now, judging by the information that the offended "old liberals" merged into Bloomberg, the conflict has moved to a fundamentally new level: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-13/fractures-form-inside -russia-s-central-bank-as-recession-deepens. The positions of the parties (my interpretation is slightly different from the Bloomberg):

- Nabiullina, Siluanov, the banking sector and part of the oligarchy that has not left the offshore companies in principle do not want to change anything. Status quo and all that. You can still cut budget expenditures, carry out reforms, etc.

- Tulin, the Ministry of Economic Development and some influential citizens from the Old Square and the Security Council support another option:
1. The rate to reduce and organize targeted lending industry (Tulin in this sense, a banker from 19 century - believes that banks should invest in factories).
2. In order for the money pumped into industry to not immediately flow into the currency and abroad, it is proposed to introduce (return) capital flow restrictions (attention! It is not proposed to "close all nafig" according to the Soviet or North Korean model, but it is proposed to introduce "some" restrictions).

Much of what is happening in the Russian near-political life can be understood within the framework of the competition between 4 as the main groups of the Russian elite (just don’t need to be considered as parties with hierarchy and discipline. Here the situation resembles football fans: there are fans of Spartak in general, and there are specific “firms.” So, for example, “old liberals” are like fans of a particular team, and, for example, “the Gref family” is a specific “firm”).

Remind groups:
1. Liberal compradors.
The proposed image of the future: Russia, integrated into Western civilization.
In fact: Russia, integrated into Western civilization as a raw material colony of the United States.

2. "New Conservatives".
The proposed image of the future: the Russian Empire 2.0.
In fact: "Orthodox Iran" (meaning real Iran with pluses and minuses, and not its caricature in the Western media).

3. "New Liberals".
The proposed image of the future: the country of victorious patriotic capitalism.
In fact: 2007 year as "Groundhog Day" - endless attempts to reproduce the satiety of zero by modifying the existing system.

4. "Red" patriots.
The proposed image of the future: USSR 2.0.
Actually: China 2000-x (again, real China 2000-x is meant, with rapid economic growth, a huge role of the state in the economy, but also the return of a specific social stratification, in which the status consumption of the party elites is not written in Tatler , and on the fence, but from this it is no less real).

What is happening now in the Central Bank and the government is the final direct conflict between the “new liberals” and the liberal compradors and their friends.

It is easy to estimate the arguments against Tulin's position:

1. The introduction of restrictions on the movement of capital (and the purchase of currency) will necessarily cause a tough psychological shock on both business and the public. (Vanguyu: the entire LJ top and all liberal media will be filled with articles and posts with the leitmotif “Well, that's fffffs! Hello, Juche! We're all going to die”).
2. Immediately there will be corruption schemes for the withdrawal of capital (as in China), perhaps the "black market of currency" (here for a specific discussion you need to know the specific proposals, but this information is not yet available).
3. To disperse inflation, it will not even be necessary for the money at a low rate to flow abroad, they can easily flow into other sectors of the economy through the banal misuse of funds. Scheme: I received a loan for the plant - I stole 50% through subcontractors, if it is scaled to the country as a whole, it will detonate with such an inflation bomb that it will not seem like enough to anyone.
4. It will be possible to forget about the return of capital from offshore companies (the business was promised a deadline until December and not to touch the rules of the game until December).

However, despite all the risks (they need to be understood and need to work with them), it is necessary to switch to preferential lending to the industry — it is necessary to pinch the margins and speculative operations to the banks. Two questions remain: whether Tulin and Co. will be able to convince Putin that it is worth taking the risk for the sake of economic growth, and whether they can really stop these risks later. The main risk is that low-interest loans do not become a “feeder for their own people,” because then the economy will actually come to Karachun.

August is a bad month for radical changes, and judging by the fact that information about the conflict has already begun to be poured into the media, 3-6 months remain before the junction. Especially since in December the ultimatum on de-offshore expires. It will be a great moment to tighten the nuts. On the other hand, the situation may arise in such a way that changes will be required earlier.
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  1. +17
    23 September 2015 05: 26
    Good news. Nabiullin and Siluanov frankly "got it". It's time to ban banks from speculating on the stock exchange. One must have a conscience.
    1. +10
      23 September 2015 05: 35
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      . Conscience must have.

      meanwhile, the people "have" ...
      1. +5
        23 September 2015 08: 44
        Where conscience should be, their member has grown ...
    2. +10
      23 September 2015 05: 40
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Conscience must have.

      Conscience and business are incompatible concepts.
    3. +19
      23 September 2015 05: 42
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Good news. Nabiullin and Siluanov frankly "got it". It's time to ban banks from speculating on the stock exchange. One must have a conscience.

      Nabiullina and Siluanov are just visible to the public characters, puppets, even their removal from the field will not change situevina in principle. There is no way to do without the direct genocide of the quiet puppeteers behind these characters. I may be accused of Stalinism, but I am sure that Joseph Vissarionovich would restore order in the Russian economy in a very short time.
      1. +10
        23 September 2015 05: 57
        Quote: Prokop
        Perhaps I will be accused of Stalinism, but I am sure that Joseph Vissarionovich would restore order in the Russian economy in a very short time.

        and he wouldn’t have brought it to that ...
        1. +3
          23 September 2015 13: 40
          Scheme: received a loan to the plant - stole 50% through subcontractors, if it is scaled to the country as a whole, it will be detonated with such an inflation bomb that it will not seem to anyone.


          In order to prevent this from happening, even Joseph Vissarionovich does not need to, you just need to insure this kind of loans (there are many international insurance structures with centuries-old financial histories) and establish control and criminal liability for misuse of the loan. Each such use always has a position and a last name. Keeping one person following this, you can include% of insurance, and the right to appoint a person to this position should be an insurance company, cheap and cheerful, no Gulags and death lists, only the political will of the Government.
      2. +1
        23 September 2015 07: 20
        Quote: Prokop
        Joseph Vissarionovich would bring order to the Russian economy in a very short time.

        And who would he rely on?
        1. +1
          23 September 2015 12: 15
          To Beria, to Zhukov would. Each strong ruler of Russia had his own Malyuta Skuratov, Fedor Yuryevich Romodanovsky, his chancellor Gorchakov. Putin has Lavrov. So Beria can be found if he wants.
      3. +2
        23 September 2015 12: 10
        Why are you afraid of accusations of Stalinism? It is time to begin the process of rehabilitation of the Father of Nations so that honest people are not embarrassed in expressing sympathy for this genius of Russian statehood.
    4. +2
      23 September 2015 06: 02
      shooter ...
      so that ... have Nabiullina been recognized the best the Americans again the other day?
      1. +3
        23 September 2015 06: 57
        Quote: slizhov
        shooter ...
        so that ... have Nabiullina been recognized the best the Americans again the other day?

        Paraphrasing a well-known proverb, we can say that the Americans are well-Russian death! And this, as you know, is unacceptable, something needs to be done.
      2. +8
        23 September 2015 08: 15
        Kasyanov, Kiriyenko, Nemtsov, Kozyrev, Chubais, Gaidar and Yeltsin, these figures in the West were the first in the list of those who were ruining Russia. It’s time for Putin to go on decisive actions to replace his environment, Russia is rich in talents, well, if the deck goes on
        then there will be no use and can lead to mass indignation of the people. All ratings that are carried out by various funds are bullshit for the sake of the ruling party.
        1. 0
          23 September 2015 17: 42
          Quote: go21zd45few
          It's time for Putin to take decisive action to replace his entourage
          It is time for naive Chukchi youths to stop hoping that the maniac will voluntarily refuse to kill.
          1. 0
            23 September 2015 18: 01
            Quote: Uncle Joe
            cease to hope that the maniac will voluntarily refuse to kill

            Right And

            Quote: Uncle Joe
            cease engage in self-deception, invent excuses for the actions of management

            Uncle Joe, stop scaring the people! And then - maniacs .. some kind of toxoplasmosis .. and you already wiped the "maniac" to holes - it's time to come up with something fresher laughing

            Quote: Uncle Joe
            Want specific answers - ask specific questions

            I ask: for example, everything that you recommend to "stop", we "stopped".

            And then - what do we, the poor and wretched, do?

            It’s quite a concrete question, no? wink
            1. 0
              23 September 2015 20: 05
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              stop scaring people already!
              Do not be alarmed smile

              and you have already wiped the "maniac"
              Do not lie, I didn’t even touch you.

              And then - what do we, the poor and wretched, do?
              And then the need for questions like "And then - what should we, the poor and the poor, do something?" completely disappear, because after the fulfillment of the first condition, illumination occurs.
              And when it happens to you, it becomes completely clear - when, where and with whom you need to walk, in what cases to engage in collective parasitism, and what requirements to put forward.
              1. +1
                23 September 2015 20: 23
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                it becomes quite clear - when, where and with whom you need to walk, in which cases to engage in collective parasitism, and what requirements to put forward.

                Ah-ahhh ... "freedom to strike" and so on .. what

                I don’t see the application of all this .. rubbish .. in our reality No.
      3. +2
        23 September 2015 08: 58
        Kleptopatra Naibulina is the best in its class. Simulants - the best crutch for her.
        1. +1
          23 September 2015 09: 25
          for these and others like them who are now ruling finance, the anthem is not the anthem of Russia, but a famous hit with the words "what a blue sky, we are not fans of robbery: you don't need a knife for a fool - you sing along a little and do with him what you like ...."
    5. +14
      23 September 2015 07: 37
      Siluanov, Nabiullina and conscience? Conscience is replaced by banknotes.
    6. +2
      23 September 2015 10: 44
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Good news. Nabiullin and Siluanov frankly "got it". It's time to ban banks from speculating on the stock exchange. One must have a conscience.

      Conscience worries those who have it. Those creatures that climb over corpses and heads to the trough of power do not have a conscience simply by definition. She died with them, unable to withstand the constant "estates" - rape in a perverted form. These are just mutants. Not people. Inhumans.
  2. +4
    23 September 2015 05: 59
    I think it's too early to rejoice. They are still only guessing ...
    The penultimate paragraph is about risks. There are many questions you can ask about this topic.
    4 possible options: either unacceptable or unknown (about Iran to me). Or very fantastic. China has huge human resources.
  3. Riv
    +3
    23 September 2015 06: 16
    Tulin, of course, has a head to do and offers practical things ... Just knowing this country, you can confidently nanostradyvat: everything, as always, will be done through one place. You are aware through what.
  4. +4
    23 September 2015 06: 43
    It is also necessary to connect Glazyev. Give him a job in the real economy. There is a way out of recovery. Stop the export of capital abroad! Invest in production development.
    1. +2
      23 September 2015 09: 25
      We must connect everyone who is not indifferent to the fate of Russia.
  5. -3
    23 September 2015 06: 54
    Our country is sorely lacking a new Stolypin. Then maybe the new Stalin would not be useful.
  6. +3
    23 September 2015 08: 24
    Our country now lacks one thing - the political will to take our banking system out of the actual control of the US Federal Reserve System, well, "it does not fit into any gates" that one of the main shareholders of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation are businessmen from Washington! And how can we talk about the "deoffshorization" of our entire economy, if we are still dependent on the US Federal Reserve! This is the kind of "yoke" the liberals put on us in the 90s! It would be correct first of all to nationalize the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, and then to take on many other things! After all, it is no secret that many laws, and, in principle, our Constitution were written by people from the Gaidar-Chubais-Yeltsin, venal, liberal Caudla under the dictation of "instructors" from overseas, so why have these laws not been revised and canceled? ??!
    1. +4
      23 September 2015 09: 37
      I agree and agree completely. It may not be necessary to rewrite the constitution of Russia, but THAT IT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED AND DRAWED BY LEGISLATION, CANCELING THE OUTDOOR ARTICLES OF THE CONSTITUTION, it is necessary to do this, because with the complete correspondence of the Constitution something will arise to correct and add to oneself new articles. In this regard, we must take the example of the United States. And do not spit. Why not take good even from the enemies.
    2. +1
      23 September 2015 17: 44
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      one of the main shareholders of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation are dealers from Washington
      It would be right first of all to nationalize the Central Bank of the Russian Federation
      fool
  7. +1
    23 September 2015 08: 39
    While the key posts in the government and the Central Bank are occupied by liberals, it is difficult to wait for changes for the better.
  8. +2
    23 September 2015 08: 42
    Judging by the "sounds" coming from behind the closed doors of the Central Bank

    Judging by this beginning of the article, the author focuses on "sounds", trying to draw conclusions about what is happening in the Central Bank, and throughout Russia, based on individual squeaks from pain, a menacing roar, plaintive sobbing or a satisfied rumbling.

    So in the systems of noise detection of submarines, the sounds of whales, flocks of killer whales, schools of herring, transport ships and enemy submarines are shared. At the same time, hydroacoustics rely on typical sound portraits recorded in the database for each of the noise sources, which makes it possible to isolate the noise of specific submarines from the general cacophony.

    But there, behind the doors of the Central Bank, as well as behind the fence of the government or behind the battlements of the towers, as well as on the French Riviera, as well as on the golf courses of London, various sounds are heard, including false noises and whole arias, about how the participants in the feast of life bake about Russia.

    Although there are no exact sound reference portraits of the participants of this quasi-ensemble in the database, the author nevertheless divides them into compradors, conservatives, liberals and patriots, forms a simple but convincing matrix in which each cricket has its own square, with the assumption that there would be if the management of the country is given to one or another participant.

    Then, however, it excludes conservatives and patriots from consideration, it seems that they are already gone (and whether they were, it is not known for certain), and claims

    What is happening now in the Central Bank and the government is the final direct conflict between the “new liberals” and the liberal compradors and their friends.

    Then he adds that 3-6 months are left until the denouement. But maybe, changes will be needed sooner.

    Thus, in 3-6 months or earlier, something will happen and it will be either worse or better.

    Such confidence in the future is encouraging, especially if you forget about prices and taxes.

    Plus an article and good luck to the author, more positive in our life!
    1. 0
      23 September 2015 14: 16
      Thus, in 3-6 months or earlier, something will happen and it will be either worse or better.
      Maybe such a New Year present is waiting for us all:
      During the "government hour" in the State Duma, Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said that the Russian authorities urgently need to resolve the issue of raising the retirement age, which would balance the pension system and not increase the tax burden on companies.

      РИА Новости http://ria.ru/society/20150923/1276308277.html#ixzz3mYjw5X7Q
      although they disagree with him:
      Russia is not ready to raise the retirement age, and the calculations of the savings from such a measure, which the Ministry of Finance leads, are wrong, says Deputy Speaker of the State Duma Andrei Isaev (United Russia), who oversees the social sphere

      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/society/20150923/1276308277.html#ixzz3mYk5ZufV

      PS The opinion of the citizens of the Russian Federation, as usual, no one is interested in, Democracy - damn it. hi
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  9. 0
    23 September 2015 10: 59
    It is disgusting to look at these miserable grimaces and ridiculous gestures of liberal rot!
    They cannot do anything worthwhile, because they do not know how and do not want to. And if so - there is no place for these creatures at the helm of the economy of such a Great Power!
  10. 0
    23 September 2015 12: 01
    Quote: kartalovkolya
    Our country now lacks one - the political will to withdraw our banking system from under the actual management of the US Federal Reserve

    Quote: Volzhanin
    there is no place for these creatures at the helm of the economy of such a Great Power!

    Quote: Sanya
    It is difficult for liberals to hold key posts in government and the Central Bank

    Quote: nikon159
    Our country is sorely lacking a new Stolypin

    Quote: moskowit
    It is also necessary to connect Glazyev

    Kindergarten, pants on the straps .. did you read the article though? Commentators ..

    Remind groups:

    1. Liberal compradors.
    The proposed image of the future: Russia, integrated into Western civilization.
    In fact: Russia, integrated into Western civilization as a raw material colony of the United States.

    3. "New Liberals".
    The proposed image of the future: the country of victorious patriotic capitalism.
    In fact: 2007 year as "Groundhog Day" - endless attempts to reproduce the satiety of zero by modifying the existing system.

    What is happening now in the Central Bank and the government is the final straight line of the apparatus conflict of the "new liberals" against the liberal compradors and their friends

    That's the main thing, what this article is about (and liberals are - they turn out to be different .. ABOUT HOW belay ).

    And their vision of the future of the country is different.

    Everything else - details already Yes
    1. +1
      23 September 2015 17: 17
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      Kindergarten, pants on the straps .. did you read the article though? Commentators ..

      Apparently not. Because if you had read carefully, you would have noticed that the article clearly indicates the time it was written:August is a bad month for radical changes, and judging by the fact that information about the conflict has already begun to merge in the media, there are 3-6 months left until the denouement.that is, the article was written before the month of August, I read it on another site in early August. Now it’s September, if anyone forgot lol
  11. 0
    23 September 2015 13: 00
    For progress to take place, science is needed. And for science to be, production is needed: without production, science is not needed. And in order to have production - you need an affordable loan. And in order to have affordable credit, low inflation and cultural banks are needed.
    1. 0
      23 September 2015 14: 50
      Quote: Tektor
      science is not needed without production

      American approach, dead end. That is why they have no fundamental science.

      In the Russian Federation, it, too, is practically no longer there. Because everything that happened in the USSR was successfully destroyed.

      Sectoral laboratories (even institutes) - they generate revolutionary ideas .. but simply are not able, they deal with particulars, "how to shove an idea into production."

      Voooot ..
  12. +1
    23 September 2015 13: 50
    An interesting article, the author originally characterized the near-government "flocks", not without humor and quite accurately. We can only hope that the very fact of Tulin's "introduction" into the reserve called the Central Bank was carried out from the Kremlin. Since I myself am a supporter of the financial policy proposed by Tulin, I would like to believe that the issues set out below by the author of the article were resolved in favor of the state and not the aligators, Grefs and others like that.

    Two questions remain: whether Tulin & Co. will be able to convince Putin that it is worth taking the risk for the sake of economic growth, and whether they can then really stop these risks. The main risk is that loans at low interest rates do not turn into a "feeding trough for our own people," because then the economy will actually get a karachun.


    I hope so. Yes
  13. 0
    23 September 2015 18: 45
    The fact that the political situation will change, we know without Delyagin. The question is how to make it change for the better for the common people.
    To go out alone on a road, you need someone to build this road first. It’s foolish to kick the Communists for allegedly wanting to first build a base and then tackle a person. On the contrary.
    Back in 1894, young Vladimir Ulyanov conveyed the moral essence of the communists' task in the following words: "... the awakening of a man" in a horse "is an awakening that has such a gigantic, world-historical significance that all sacrifices are legal for him." Thus, the communists not only express and defend the interests of the working people, they do not just fight for them, they first of all want to induce the working people themselves to fight for their interests, for their human dignity, for the happy future of their children. Relying on god, king or hero is useless. Only yourself.
    There will be no organized struggle, they will take away what we have today.

    Who said that it was a matter of conscience and desire? Everything is decided by the balance of interests and forces. The rate of return determines patriotism. The patriotism of Putin and his team is enough to exploit the oil and gas pipe themselves, but lacks for the development of high-tech industries. And here, who does not go forward, he lags behind, and can hopelessly lag behind. Russia lags behind under the same Putin for 15 years, incl. leave the empty blanks.
    Everything has already been said in the small work of the classic "The Impending Catastrophe and How to Fight It": "You cannot go forward ... without going to socialism." And all this public, together with the guarantor, does not want to go to socialism. We'll have to force, but that's another story.
  14. 0
    23 September 2015 23: 01
    I personally don’t understand anything in the economy, but even I understand that something unimaginable is happening in our banking sector. Thieves will soon surely crush the country in pieces. Well, is there really not a single patriot-financier left in the country who could actually correct the situation in our current situation? Officials come to your senses, you do not need amer and their lackeys for hell .... even with the money stolen from Russia.
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  16. -1
    24 September 2015 04: 56
    Much of what is happening in Russian near-political life can be understood in the framework of competition between the 4 main groups of the Russian elite


    Clearly, why not understand something? Whatever the CBR would take in its activities, the Russian capitalists (the 4 main groups of the Russian elite) would never be left behind. They will put everything on the Russian hard worker, who:
    It will endure everything - and broad, clear
    Breast pave the way for himself.
    It is a pity only - to live in this wonderful time
    I don’t have to - neither to me, nor to you.


    Arranged undercover struggle. One might think that neither Nabiullina nor Siluanov know how to prudently use the funds available from the Russian Federation to develop the economy. Do they need it? Why were they put in place? Protect and enhance someone else's property. As for the rest ... Do you have "good" in the Treasury? No? Well sniffle endure silently. And so as not to burst from overvoltage, we didn’t decide to run, fight this disgrace, here's an article for you !!! Knock on the keyboard, practice deadly punches with your fingers. laughing

    The Central Bank is a "small" branch of our system that does not have any positive attitude towards the development of the country. Want some examples?
    Here! You can see where and how much they took all sorts of different and find your share ... lol
    1. 0
      24 September 2015 08: 36
      Quote: yuriy55
      The Central Bank is a "small" branch of our system

      Again nonsense about the "Fed branch"? Curiously, none of those shouting on this topic provides any evidence. Like, "supposed to be clear intuitively" wink

      Quote: yuriy55
      You can see where and how much they took all sorts of different and find your share

      Well, my share is definitely not there, and the picture is pleasing to the eye, if you can see it, of course: in the Russian Federation:

      - the debt of the "state" itself - about 51.5 billion dollars, 7.3% of the total external debt
      - the ratio of public debt to GDP is 25%, which is very small (100% seems to be "normal", Great Britain - as much as 406%)
      - everything else - debts of private entities (banks, etc.) for which the state, generally speaking, is not responsible. Sapienti sat lol

      Something like that.. Yes
      1. 0
        24 September 2015 21: 19
        the whole problem is that the debts are basically just state corporations, for which the state oh how is responsible.
        And so, if this is all the way it is written in the article, then my constant reminders that apart from all the Nabibulins and Siluyanovs, who sparkle on TV every day and carry nonsense, there are those "horses" that pull as they can and do not allow the country to fall to the level of some sort of Nigeria or at least Ukraine.
  17. 0
    28 September 2015 13: 19
    Again, office plankton shoves a custom article. Not a good boss.

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