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On the prospects of the fifth-generation multipurpose fighter PAK-FA T-50

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The fifth-generation Russian multipurpose fighter, the PAK-FA T-50, will be tested in real life at numerous combat training events in the 2016 year, when it will be deployed to the Air Force of the Russian Federation. This was announced on Friday by the commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Colonel-General V. Bondarev.


Aircraft, or rather a promising front-line complex aviation, was developed to replace the Su-27 fleet.
The tests of this complex are from the end of January 2010.

So that the reader does not accuse the authors of biased comments about the advantages and disadvantages of the T-50, below is a comparative table with detailed characteristics of the main 5 aircraft of different countries.

On the prospects of the fifth-generation multipurpose fighter PAK-FA T-50


A literate person will not be difficult to deal with the pros and cons of a particular model.

Earlier, sources in the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Kommersant newspaper reported that according to the State Armaments Program before 2020, the X-NUMX of the T-52 aircraft (in 50-2016 years - in 2018 units, in 08-2019 - on 2020 units). But due to the difficulties encountered in financing the project, the question of supplying a batch of up to 14 units is still being considered.



Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Yuriy Borisov He also confirmed plans to reduce the number of T-50 planes purchased: “In the new economic conditions, the initial plans for the purchase of T-50 can be adjusted. It would be better for us to have a start in the form of the PAK FA and then the opportunity to move forward, squeezing all the possibilities out of the 4 + generation fighter jets (and 4 ++ too - editor's note), ”he said.

Crises and the state of underfinancing sooner or later pass, so the troops will see this beautiful car, and in large numbers.
The evolution of the creation and development of jet fighters after 1945 of the last century is shown in the diagram below.
Originator:
http://operline.ru/content/tekhnologii/o-perspektivakh-mnogotselevogo-istrebitelya-pyatogo-pokoleniya-pak-fa-t-50.html
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 21 September 2015 06: 22 New
    +13
    A literate person will not be difficult to deal with the pros and cons of a particular model.
    I do not pretend to be very literate, and therefore, explain: in the table at F-22, AFAR is zero .. and this is how is your mother, sorry to understand? request what
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 September 2015 07: 09 New
      +14
      Here the author of the table was not mistaken - there is no L-band AFAR on the F-22. PAK FY has two radars of this range in the wings (with an unclear purpose, however, it is), but I’m interested in something else - who is this smart on the PAK FA Irbis piled up? H036 is never the Irbis, the Irbis is the H035.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 21 September 2015 07: 17 New
        +5
        It seems to be on PAK FA N050, which uses part of the H035 technologies?
        "N050 is a Russian small-sized aviation radar station with an active phased array antenna, developed by NIIP for promising fifth-generation aircraft systems.

        The first full-size model of the new radar was first shown on the MAX-2007. The actual testing of the equipment began in 2008, when the first prototype was assembled. [1]

        Also in production were two more prototypes of the new radar, which in the 2010 year are planned to be installed on the flight models of the fifth generation fighter. At the 2009 International Aviation and Space Salon of the year, a prototype radar with AFAR was shown. In an interview with M.A. Poghosyan said that tests of the fifth generation fighter with a new radar should begin in the middle of the 2010 year.

        According to some reports, the N050 will consist of more than 1500 receiving-transmitting modules [2], a significant part of the technologies used on the N035 Irbis will be used in the N050 radar, the remaining characteristics remain unknown "
        http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/1390397

        “Two L-band AFARs in the socks of the wing. For a long time there was a debate about the purpose of these antennas. It was suggested that this is a long-wavelength anti-stealth detector (although calculations showed a short range of such a system) or antennas are used to synthesize the aperture. The official point was put in discussions information that these stations are supposed to be used only as a system of state recognition of targets "
        http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2326&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 September 2015 07: 53 New
          +8
          Quote: ImPerts
          It seems to be on PAK FA N050, which uses part of the H035 technologies?

          No :)) The fact is that Irbis, whatever one may say, is a passive PAR, but on PAK FA it is an active PAR, and they differ greatly and fundamentally. I am ready to admit that some elements are similar, but in my opinion there are at least the principle of radar operation is different.
          Quote: ImPerts
          Also in production were two more prototypes of the new radar, which in 2010 is planned to be installed on flight models

          The article is very old :) Н050 has already turned into Н036 :) PAK FA will also someday replace the T-50 with Su ...
          Quote: ImPerts
          The point in the discussions was the official information that these stations are supposed to be used only as a system of state recognition of targets.

          That is, IMHO, outright misinformation, since already two additional radars for these purposes are frankly redundant.
          1. meriem1
            meriem1 21 September 2015 10: 47 New
            +5
            Andrey from Chelyabinsk .... Well, they told us everything directly. And overseas penguins for one! This is a military secret. No one will ever tell anyone about the complete performance characteristics of the product.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 September 2015 15: 34 New
              +2
              Quote: meriem1
              .... Well, they told us everything directly.

              So I'm not in a claim! drinks
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          2. Penzyac
            Penzyac 21 September 2015 19: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            .
            Quote: ImPerts
            The point in the discussions was the official information that these stations are supposed to be used only as a system of state recognition of targets.

            That is, IMHO, outright misinformation, since already two additional radars for these purposes are frankly redundant.

            Let the adversaries torment and fail. The less they know and understand, the more they will be afraid ...
      2. ImPerts
        ImPerts 21 September 2015 07: 29 New
        +4
        Although the forum dedicated to the PAK FA speaks of N036 radar
        Everything is confusing. Go to the series. it will become clear.
    2. Thronekeeper
      Thronekeeper 21 September 2015 07: 53 New
      +11
      AFAR with electronic scanning L-band.
      The Irbis range is variable. Due to the frequency.
      Centimetric and sales graph paper for missile defense and "standard" targets, especially for land and sea decimetry for stealth purposes.
      And the range of our missiles and American is exaggerated.
      For the AIM-120D, 170km is not even advertising, but mathematical.
      With the F-15 with its ceiling and speed, but oncoming courses under 0 degrees on the Tu-22M3 at 12 km at a speed of M2,3. And then, the AIM-120D will have to develop at a gentle dive speed slightly higher than M7 (2,5 Mach F-15, Amraam M4,5 + more than one dive). At this speed, the radar fairing will stupidly burn laughing Even for the aeroballistic X-15A (C), the radar fairing was tormented, and titanium and even tungsten were used in the design, although there is a maximum speed of M5 at 40 km, almost in space, and when reduced by AV in diving, not more than M4. Plus, the earth is still round, and at 170km amraam will go into dense layers much earlier and weld :-)
      The ceiling of the F-22 is less + the "throwing" effect of the aircraft’s speed is limited to M2, since the thief’s hatches cannot be opened at higher speed. So the real range of the AIM-120D is 120 km, with the F-22, probably, correspondingly, to the ceiling and speed - less. Interestingly, Miriki honestly determined the previous AIM-120C modif at 105km.
      Our missiles are also overpriced. For the R-77MD - 300km, for the "medium" straight-through R-77PD - 200, and the R-77M1 with a turbojet engine like that of Amraam - 120. For the "Migovskaya" R-37, the MD is even less - 280, if not tapsikretny MF R-37 they didn’t do it with a direct-flow device instead of a TTRD and a new radar.
      In general - in the article a jamb on a jamb. Even for "generations."
      1. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 21 September 2015 09: 59 New
        0
        We will wait for the tests, when the series goes to the troops, when we see what the T-50 is capable of, then there will be something to discuss and compare, but I think our designers and our pilots will never hit the face in the mud.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 21 September 2015 16: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Thronekeeper
        In general - in the article a jamb on a jamb. Even for "generations."

        this is definitely a very old article. Apparently from those when they just appeared in the public domain about PAK FA. Because afterburning (cruising) speed of 2100 is very unlikely.
        and 8 suspension points in a closed compartment - right? and 10 on the outside ... 18 suspension points ???? it’s only near range. In short, everything is debatable!
    3. Sweles
      Sweles 21 September 2015 08: 52 New
      0
      and the release of the aircraft was cut, and the engines of the second stage will be by 20 g, although they used to say that they were ahead of the engine and the first engines 129 would be in 15-16, and in 20 they would say that they would be ready by the year 25, some kind of games were covered by an airplane. ..
    4. Su24
      Su24 21 September 2015 16: 29 New
      0
      The reduction in purchases is not due to financing, but to the underdevelopment of the aircraft.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 21 September 2015 20: 17 New
        -2
        There was a feeling that PAK FA wanted to wrap up and slightly shamanize the ancient trash of the fourth position with its backlog.
    5. Welcome to hell
      Welcome to hell 22 September 2015 01: 31 New
      0
      f22 is passive, it only works on receiving waves, this technology reduces visibility, but alas, it also reduces the detection distance of opponents
  2. VP
    VP 21 September 2015 06: 36 New
    +9
    PAK FA
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    Maybe still PAK FA?
    1. Cheshire
      Cheshire 21 September 2015 06: 46 New
      +5
      Yes, again we are kissing the arrogant Saxons, we write all Russian in English letters. request
      By the way, I did not learn anything new from the article, so I spent time reading.
    2. w3554152
      w3554152 21 September 2015 08: 00 New
      0
      Quote: VP
      Maybe still PAK FA?

      Neither one nor the other. What kind of nonsense is PAK? T-50 can be understood as a factory reduction in the refinement process. Are these the products of the Sukhoi design bureau famous all over the world? It’s the same as giving up your name and replacing it with a set of letters. "Signs and symbols rule the world, not words or the law." Confucius said these over 2000 years. The interception in control of consciousness begins with the interception of control of symbols. Here is the imposition of foreign names in our media on combat aircraft and missiles, PAK FAK, MAK DAK, SUPER SUPER JET, MS-21, SMS instead of the legendary Tupolev, Ilyushin, Yakovlev and Sukhoi. From the German Pak means "rabble, scum." The Germans laugh and rejoice gloatingly. With this name they do not go to the world market. During the Second World War in the regiment's combat magazines, the reduction of the PAK meant - Killed in an Air Accident. The expression "As you name the ship - so it will sail" always relevant. Such a name for the products of the legendary design bureau is an act of aggression against Russian identity. What you look at is what you turn into.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 September 2015 08: 11 New
        0
        Quote: w3554152
        PACK FAK,

        There is such a saying, D. Uren thinks richer.
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 September 2015 08: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: w3554152
        Such a name for the products of the legendary design bureau is an act of aggression against Russian identity

        Well, you give - managed to deploy such a conspiracy thesis :)))
        PAK FA - Advanced Frontline Aviation Complex. T is the standard designation for pre-production Su aircraft. Will go into series - will become a Su-50, or maybe a different number, but it’s Su
        1. DimanC
          DimanC 21 September 2015 13: 02 New
          0
          Logically, there must be something odd. Somehow such a tradition
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 September 2015 13: 05 New
            0
            Quote: DimanC
            Logically, there must be something odd. Somehow such a tradition

            Su-30? wink
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        2. lazy
          lazy 21 September 2015 18: 08 New
          +1
          T and C is more likely a designation not of “pre-production” aircraft, but a technological name (or internal design), so the su-17 and su-27 were built in series, but the hard workers in Komsomolsk knew before the perestroika that they were making S-32 and T-10 ( chervonets if popular)
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      4. g1v2
        g1v2 21 September 2015 13: 36 New
        0
        PAK is a promising aviation complex. This is an abbreviation, not a name. There will be a series - will receive a new name su and number. Also, PAK YES will receive his and that number.
    3. ARS56
      ARS56 21 September 2015 12: 08 New
      +1
      PAK-FA T-50 ???
      Maybe the author will decrypt his abrocadabra?
      After all, this letter combination does not carry any meaningful load other than distorting the Russian language in an enemy manner.
      The author doesn’t care.
  3. oberon 1
    oberon 1 21 September 2015 06: 45 New
    +5
    If only the T-50 plane was not only shown at an air show, but went into a series.
  4. 78bor1973
    78bor1973 21 September 2015 06: 53 New
    +2
    That's interesting, but in the T-50, in what place does the second AFAR stand !!?
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 21 September 2015 07: 25 New
      +7
      It costs 5 pieces
  5. ImPerts
    ImPerts 21 September 2015 07: 21 New
    +1
    T-50 forum.
    Good forum:
    http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2326&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
  6. Homo
    Homo 21 September 2015 07: 25 New
    +8
    I read this and got sick of reading further - PAK-FA T-50! How much can you not respect the native language ???
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 21 September 2015 08: 19 New
      +4
      Really, what nonsense? PAK FA is an abbreviation of Russian words, and the author for some reason wrote in Latin. Be ashamed! And how, as conceived by the author, should this abbreviation in Latin sound in the original?
    2. w3554152
      w3554152 21 September 2015 08: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Homo
      I read this and got sick of reading further - PAK-FA T-50! How much can you not respect the native language ???


      All these imposed names: "Packy Faki, Super Duper Jets" are an erasure of memory. Here is already disrespect for their many years of Russian traditions, labor of designers, engineers, testers and craftsmen. This is disrespect for the entire legendary design bureau of Sukhoi. The interception in control of consciousness begins with the interception of control of symbols. As you call a ship, it will sail. "Super Duper Jet" something does not want to fly actively, since its first presentation.
      1. Homo
        Homo 21 September 2015 21: 13 New
        0
        Quote: w3554152
        All these imposed names: "Packy Fuckey, Super Duper Jet" are the erasure of memory.

        To bend is not worth it. Or do you not know how PAK FA stands for? It’s like in the tank construction “Object xxx”, and then the name appears!
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 September 2015 08: 06 New
    +1
    What will be the name of PAK FA? Su ...?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 September 2015 08: 47 New
      +1
      Su-50 likely
      1. pilot8878
        pilot8878 21 September 2015 13: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Zaurbek
        What will be the name of PAK FA? Su ...?

        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Su-50 likely

        Why so? T-10 did not become Su-10, but became Su-27.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 September 2015 21: 25 New
          0
          Quote: pilot8878
          Why so? T-10 did not become Su-10, but became Su-27.

          I do not argue or insist on the Su-50. It’s just that there is a Su-30, there is a Su-35, there was a Su-47 too, the Su-48, Su-49 somehow look nekosher. Hence the assumption that the Su-50 or more :)
          Although - who knows? They will take and call Su-1 :) But what? There, Armata didn’t call the T-100 :))
  8. VP
    VP 21 September 2015 08: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: w3554152
    What kind of nonsense is PAK? The T-50 can be understood as a factory reduction in the refinement process. Are these the products of the Sukhoi design bureau famous all over the world?

    This is not production yet, it is still an airplane that has not passed acceptance.
    It will become a product when, after a set of tests, acceptance accepts a positive conclusion.
    Then he will receive the final name. Maybe they will leave the T-50, maybe another, for example, some SU-41.
    But at the moment it is not yet accepted aircraft and therefore goes everywhere under the abbreviation under which an order was made for development and under which this development was carried out. Namely, PAK FA, without reference to a specific air bureau.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 21 September 2015 08: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: VP
      This is not production yet, it is still an airplane that has not passed acceptance.

      I will say more, the engine of the second stage has been developed, but it is also not a “product”, and most of the arsenal is the same ... of course I want to believe that everything will happen in the 16th year, but something tells me that our generals are rushing things . A more realistic term is the 17th-early 18th year, I think.
      Quote: VP
      Then he will receive the final name.

      Most likely the SU-50. By the way, in one computer game, as far as I know, they call it that. yes But I think they’ll stick some nickname to him ... after all, there was a Golden Eagle, and now they have taken for fashion all nicknames to give the nicknames Alligator, Mace, Barguzin, Night Hunter, etc. ... I wonder how this bird will be called.
  9. Wolka
    Wolka 21 September 2015 08: 28 New
    +1
    I’m sorry for the bird, but slowly it gets into operation, and as for the underfunding of the project, I need to steal it ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 21 September 2015 08: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Volka
      I’m sorry for the bird, but slowly it gets into operation, and as for the underfunding of the project, I need to steal it ...

      Haste is not needed here. This fighter is done at least for the next 30 years, and therefore it is necessary to maximize everything and bring it to mind. It is clear that during operation there will be refinements and some problems come up, but the main shortcomings are eliminated precisely on test stages. hi
  10. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 21 September 2015 08: 29 New
    +4
    Actually, PAK FA is a Russian abbreviation, and in English manner it is probably too much to write ..
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 September 2015 08: 50 New
      +3
      Of course bust. We have PAK FA - A promising Frontline Aviation Complex, and in English it will probably be PAC FA - prospective airborne complex of frontline aviation forgive me my English
      1. Altona
        Altona 21 September 2015 09: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Of course bust. We have PAK FA - A promising Frontline Aviation Complex, and in English it will probably be PAC FA - prospective airborne complex of frontline aviation forgive me my English

        --------------------
        Sukhoi PAK FA- English name ... Without any decoding, like a brand ... And so, there will be something like Advanced Tactical Fighter ...
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  11. Velizariy
    Velizariy 21 September 2015 10: 29 New
    +3
    Do not consider it a German enthusiast, but where on that picture is Me 262 A ??? The first serial turbojet fighter!
  12. Pimply
    Pimply 21 September 2015 13: 06 New
    +1
    Everything is great, of course, but the table compares the first version of the F-22 (which has already undergone two upgrades) with two prototypes that did not go into the series. And what then is tsimes?
    1. tomket
      tomket 21 September 2015 21: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Pimply
      but the table compares the first version of the F-22 (which has already undergone two upgrades) with two prototypes that did not go into the series

      What version is this? Prototype or from the first blocks? By the way. About the Raptor. At the indicated maximum speed, it cannot fly due to the lack of adjustable air intakes.
  13. IAlex
    IAlex 21 September 2015 13: 49 New
    +1
    Flood and pictures everywhere dofiga about halva, but where are the planes ???
  14. de_monSher
    de_monSher 21 September 2015 16: 45 New
    0
    This was announced on Friday by the commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces Colonel General V. Bondarev.


    So to say, a little offtopic - he told reporters - colonel-generaland what Lieutenant-General in the photo then? *)
  15. LINKor55
    LINKor55 21 September 2015 18: 38 New
    0
    Noteworthy is the lack of much data on the Chinese aircraft: this is correct, or it’s nonsense: the latest combat complex, and information about it and tactical and technical information are known to anyone who is familiar with the Internet. Disorder stop !!!
  16. serverny
    serverny 21 September 2015 20: 34 New
    0
    Quote: LINKor55
    mpleks, and information about it and tactical and technical are known to anyone who is familiar with the interne

    and according to PAK FA, all the information is “expert evaluations of couch analysts”.
  17. vass
    vass 23 September 2015 05: 17 New
    0
    An irresistible desire to strengthen the text of the article in Latin in the "American" manner says that the author grew up in jeans in which all of America had grown before. And how, in his opinion, the abbreviation "PAK" completely sounds in "aglitsky"? Stupid. This is akin to WOW, which our "stars" babble from the screens.