KRET is preparing a major upgrade of the Su-30CM, in which it intends to use the developments on the PAK FA

Concern Radioelectronic Technologies, in preparation for the modernization of the Su-30CM, plans to use the technological background obtained when building the PAN FA 5 generation aircraft, reports RIA News a message from the deputy general director of the enterprise, Vladimir Mikheev.

Su-30 Indian Air Force

“Taking into account the signed contracts, Su-30CM and its export modification Su-30МКИ to 2020 will be one of the most numerous aircraft of the Air Force and Navy of Russia, as well as the armed forces of India, Algeria, Kazakhstan, Angola. That is why now we are preparing solutions for a serious modernization of these machines ",

explained Mikheev.

He said that "work is underway to improve the characteristics of the aircraft’s radar system, its optical-electronic sighting and navigation systems, and navigation systems."

“We plan to use the technological background obtained in the course of R & D on the creation of the PAK FA,” added the deputy head of KRET.

He noted that the work on the modernization of the machine will be carried out "in accordance with the recommendations of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and suggest an increase in the capabilities of the avionics (airborne electronic equipment), radar and sighting system."

Help Agency: “KRET enterprises produce for Su-30CM more than 60% avionics. One of the developments of the concern, which allows fighters to orient themselves in space even in the absence of a signal from airborne, land-based and sea-based navigation systems, is the BINS-SPXNNXX inertial navigation system. ”

Comments

[ziqzaq]

Normul .. Well done!

[supertiger21]

All the aircraft of the Su-27 family are amazing, but why was it necessary to immediately purchase 4 modifications of a heavy fighter? Su-30SM, Su-30M2, Su-34 and Su-35S, in my opinion, it turns out a little "vinaigrette". At the same time, MiGs were not purchased properly, limiting themselves to "two or three" MiG-29SMT and MiG-29K. It's good that Poghosyan was removed from the throne, a little more and he would definitely have cooked borscht from our Air Force.

[figwam]

"Zvezda" will show about the Su-30.
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201509171218-olj6.htm

[Vladimirets]

Quote: supertiger21

4 heavy fighter modifications? Su-30SM, Su-30M2, Su-34 and Su-35S

Is the Su-34 a heavy fighter?

[supertiger21]

Quote: Vladimirets

Is the Su-34 a heavy fighter?

Yes you are right, front-line bomber ! Nevertheless, it also belongs to the Su-27 family, so I also listed it. I mean, Poghosyan was promoting the aircraft exclusively to Sukhoi’s production in the troops, preventing them from doing so, for example, Mikoyan Design Bureau and Yakovlev Design Bureau. Now the situation has begun to improve!

[da Vinci]

The monopoly of one Su platform and complete disregard for MiG (as well as Tu) is not Poghosyan's "merit", but the criminal myopia of functionaries from the government and the Ministry of Defense, which, most likely, is based on bribes or kickbacks.

[Tusv]

Quote: da Vinci

and complete disregard for the MiG

Ignoring MiG is that Sukhoi won the tender for Pakfa. and fso. Different tasks for these birds. The only thirty-fifth is ripe for the series to crush namesakes

[Gregazov]

I fundamentally disagree with you. In particular, in 1998. was on retraining on MiG. The crafts themselves told me that their difficult situation (working 3 days a week) was the result of a political miscalculation of the MiG leadership, which threw money from the Malaysian contract to increase the manufacturer’s plant capacity (the design bureau lost its independence and became a structural unit of the serial plant), and not to modernize the aircraft or a new model like they did on Su. As a result - a large number (as silent) of unnecessary and unpaid aircraft and the loss of markets. And then Poghosyan?

[FID]

Quote: supertiger21

It’s good that Poghosyan was removed from the throne, just a little more and he would have surely cooked soup from our Air Force.

Well, he was already "nakharnichal" .... It will take a long time to rake. Yes, the entire top of the country is solid "cooks" ...

[andrew075]

supportive

[Knight Rider]

Quote: supertiger21

Su-30SM, Su-30M2, Su-34 and Su-35S, in my opinion, it turns out a little "vinaigrette".

This topic has probably been raised a thousand times ...
These aircraft were "born" as a result of the development direction of the Su-27 aircraft:
-shock direction - Su-34
-fighter direction - Su-35S
- from the double Su-27UB received multi-purpose Su-30SM
-Su-30M2 go to the regiments to the Su-27SM
For me, in any case, everything is logical and there are no contradictions. In addition, three different plants in three cities are engaged in their production: everything has been mastered, adjusted, planes are rhythmically entering the troops.

[max702]

Quote: KnightRider

For me, in any case, everything is logical and there are no contradictions. In addition, three different plants in three cities are engaged in their production: everything has been mastered, adjusted, planes are rhythmically entering the troops.

I fully support! What are these raids on Poghosyan? Everything works, every plane is in place .. but all around there are some screams about a mythical conspiracy against the honest and smart KB MIG and Yakovlev, who drove themselves to a standstill, resting on their laurels of previous achievements.

[supertiger21]

About the first two, I do not mind, and we need the Su-34 and Su-35!

Quote: KnightRider

- from the double Su-27UB received multi-purpose Su-30SM
-Su-30M2 go to the regiments to the Su-27SM

But already of these two there is definitely one redundant.

[Tusv]

Quote: supertiger21

All the aircraft of the Su-27 family are amazing, but why was it necessary to immediately purchase 4 modifications of a heavy fighter? Su-30SM, Su-30M2, Su-34 and Su-35S, in my opinion, it turns out a little "vinaigrette".

Su-34 Americans from the family of flankers crossed out.
Here a successful glider decides a lot. The speed range is from 200 km / h to M = 2,6 (for the super-rapper rapper, there is a limitation of two speeds of sound - the glider will break). How can one not rivet various modifications sharpened for a specific battlefield.
So this is not a "venegrette", but a very murderous pack

[supertiger21]

I agree, the Su-34 is a very necessary drummer for our Air Force. But why take simultaneously and Su-30SM and Su-30M2 I do not understand ...

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: supertiger21

. But why take simultaneously and Su-30SM and Su-30M2 I do not understand ...

Su-30SM is being built on Irkut and Su-30M2 on KnAAZ, so production lines are set up, it is expensive to rebuild.

[Voha_krim]

Quote: Tusv

the super-rapper rapper has a two-speed limit of sound - the glider will break

One correction: the speed limit is not due to the glider, but because of the stealth color. It just blows away when heated above M = 2! I hope for our PAK FA to resolve this issue.

[max702]

Quote: supertiger21

It’s good that Poghosyan was removed from the throne, just a little more and he would have surely cooked soup from our Air Force.

Yeah .. four types of DRYES is a vinaigrette, but if you add or dilute them with ABSOLUTELY other MIG machines it will be just right .. Where is the logic then? Dryings are less different in filling, but for the most part they are identical planes, and this is a huge saving of effort and money on training and maintenance, and if you take into account the very dubious combat qualities of the MIG-29 family, then the decision to emphasize Sushki is absolutely correct. And yes, let's remember about the rake with the t-64, t-72, t-80 .. or the current idiocy with signs of sabotage when adopting the KA-52i and MI-28 pair instead of the KA-52 and KA-50 ..

[maiman61]

Yeah! You comrade yet! I served on the T-80, a great car! In 1980, he shot ATGMs through the barrel, a laser rangefinder and a ballistic computer, which determined barrel wear, lateral wind, type of projectile, vehicle speed and at what angle! Started in any frost in exactly 54 seconds and go! Had an anti-aircraft machine gun which the commander drove while sitting inside the tank! doesn't seem strange. that abandoned this car? We cadets easily squeezed 60 km / h on the tankodrome!

[max702]

And what do I have that against the t-80? NO! I am against the DIVERSITY in our troops! It is EXPENSIVE AND INEFFECTIVE! Bullshit in a pair of SU and MIG .. Poghosyan corrected, for this alone he needs to erect a monument ..

[shans2]

in a moment, the glider's life is lower, range and load are small, versatility is lower.

[supertiger21]

Quote: shans2

in a moment, the glider's life is lower, range and load are small, versatility is lower.

Su and MiG are generally different fighter classes. Dry is heavy, and MiG is light; both are needed. One of them cannot be excluded; they must complement each other.

[Talgat]

I agree - you need both light and heavy

It is clear that Russia and we have a huge territory - and Sukhoi seem to be better suited - range

But God forbid, he is straining on the western border - in a potential conflict, range is no longer a decisive factor - there will be a front and light front-line fighters in a large number will be needed - such as f-16 or Mig-29 (therefore, the USSR also had Mig 29)

Of course, I am glad that ours began to receive Su30, but I remember there were publications about the interest of Mo KZ and to Mig 35 - they will be cheaper, and in the south we will be completely covered with air. Place Mig 35 in Taldykurgan, for example, in Bishkek and get it everywhere

But Mig 31 and Sukhoi should be based far away from the border - Karaganda, Astana

And the fifth generation, in general, I would like ours not to buy yet - it is terribly expensive and not necessary - let Russia keep it in the west and in the north - where is the "adversary" - and in the south who should we drive them to? China seems to be a "friend" for now

[Voha_krim]

In addition to range, time plays an important role. Drying is much longer in the air than MiGs!

[max702]

Quote: Talgat

Of course, I am glad that ours began to receive the Su30, but I remember there were publications about the interest of the Mo KZ and to the MiG 35 - they will be cheaper, and in the south we will completely have air cover.

The fact of the matter is that they are not cheaper! And if you take into account the combat effectiveness, the MIGs are much more expensive than the Sushki! Their only niche is export .. Simply, the MIG Design Bureau shrugged everything that could rest on the laurels of past victories, the politics of nepotism and kinship did not bring to mind the result of absolutely non-competitive machines .. And I’ll tell you frankly about the type of delivery to the arsenal of SUs instead of MIGs just give hope for tomorrow, yes, yes, it fits perfectly into Putin’s notorious plans to quietly do what is needed for the country and this fact makes me happy ..

[Barakuda]

Well done, of course. Current is more to pliz troops.
In my youth, I also spent the sheets in Assembler, I thought I would bring benefit to the Motherland .. Well, the humpbacked one has lost everything. Remaining "Tetris" and "Tenis" for CNC machines. So that the hard workers are not bored.

[Boa kaa]

Our glider has always been the best in the world. Avionics ... did not reach the upper bar. If we get a board at the level of am, then their song in the air will be sung completely.
Good luck and success to KRET enterprises in their work!

[Tanais]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Avionics ... did not reach the upper bar.

What is it? Based on what data, did you determine the level of the "upper bar", and for which systems?

If we are talking about airborne radar, then here it is possible and necessary to argue, and if also unique and long serial on Russian planes optic-electronic detection system "add", then ...

[FID]

Quote: Tanais

to "add" the serial optical-electronic detection system on Russian aircraft, then ...

Do not forget about control systems ... Domestic EDSU - this is another system! Another conversation is that the element base is imported, but this is not avionics - this is our wretched industrial policy, which since Gaidar - "we will buy!" ...

[Tanais]

Quote: SSI

Do not forget about control systems ... Domestic EDSU - this is another system! Another conversation is that the element base is imported, but this is not avionics - this is our wretched industrial policy, which since Gaidar - "we will buy!" ...

You see, IN GENERAL, if you "omit" the "Gaidarism", then everything is not so bad, but on the contrary ...

[FID]

Quote: Tanais

You see, IN GENERAL, if you "omit" the "Gaidarism", then everything is not so bad, but on the contrary ..

So, these are old Soviet developments, there is no new one. Ideas and designs of 20-25 years ago are being developed and modernized. Already then, the aviation science of the USSR was ahead of the world ... But young, talented designers are NOT visible, believe me ... Now, they are going to resume production of the Tu-160, and they still call me from Kazan for consultations, and I'm retired. .. And where to get your own? Time is running out, the level of SIMPLY EDUCATION is falling, so I see no reason for optimism ... As one forum member usually writes (Sibirbalt, in my opinion, but I can be mistaken) - the system needs to be changed!

[Tanais]

Quote: SSI

As one forum member usually writes (Sibirbalt, in my opinion, but I can be mistaken) - the system must be changed!

Change, only wisely. Otherwise, Ukraine ...

[FID]

Quote: Tanais

Change, only wisely. Otherwise, Ukraine ..

I would love to, but - the old one already ... And the young generation - ...

[Knight Rider]

Quote: SSI

I would love to, but - the old one already ... And the young generation - ...

And where does the old-old? Health does not allow to go to the polls or laziness? Or do you think that youth should ride in the squares instead of elections? How do you want to change the system?

[FID]

Quote: KnightRider

And where does the old-old? Health does not allow to go to the polls or laziness?

So I go, you are my teacher! Even if I’m sick, I’m crawling anyway, I vote and what? Do you know how elections are held in Moscow?

[Aleksandr1959]

Exactly Sergei Ivanovich! "When the brothel owner was doing badly, he did not move the beds ... but changed whores."

[aviator65]

I remember back in 1992, during the period of work at the AK them. Ilyushin had to talk with American colleagues, participants in the then joint program on the Il-96MO. So these guys then still told us in plain text: "Guys, you cut the branch on which you are sitting. We will need another 15 -20 years to catch up with your developments." And so it happened ...

[maiman61]

You would have referred to Ivan the Terrible! Have some shame!

[FID]

Quote: maiman61

You would have referred to Ivan the Terrible! Have some shame!

If you are this to me, then excuse me, I am not familiar with you to "poke" ...

[Oberon 1]

As a specialist in diabetes, I’ll say that a lot has been modernized during this time

[pan.70]

Why not, today the SU-30SM is the best aircraft. T-50 and F-22 airplanes will be tested for a long time, and route aviation is needed now to protect our country, so this is the best option today.

[supertiger21]

Quote: pan.70

T-50 and F-22 aircraft will be tested for a long time.

Tests F-22 ?? He actually has been in service since 2005, what other tests ?! Perhaps you mean the F-35?

[Mountain shooter]

All the advantages of a fifth generation fighter are stealth. If the radar and the optical-electronic system can detect the same Raptor at the required distance, it will have no advantage. And in terms of maneuverability, the 30th is not inferior to him. There are less than two hundred of these "hichniks" in the mattress alone, and production is mothballed. And we will have more. So the passion for delaying the T-2 in mass production is perhaps slightly exaggerated.

[supertiger21]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

There are less than two hundred of these "hichniks" in the mattress alone, and production is mothballed. And we will have more. So the passion for delaying the T-2 in mass production is perhaps slightly exaggerated.

I don't know about you, but at least I think that 180 F-22s are a big threat. And I would not be so optimistic: "And we will have more." I myself am only FOR, but I think that we will not reach such a number of units before 2022-2024. I would be glad if I'm wrong!

[max702]

Quote: supertiger21

I don't know about you, but at least I think that 180 F-22s are a big threat. And I would not be so optimistic: "And we will have more." I myself am only FOR, but I think that we will not reach such a number of units before 2022-2024. I would be glad if I'm wrong!

The threat is somewhat exaggerated, think for yourself in a local conflict whether these aircraft will be used if on the other hand there are our dryers and less adequately organized air defense, because there is a high risk of losses, and this is material but most important MORAL costs .. Therefore, this is a global conflict machine, but Again, in the USA, they perfectly understand that Russia will never start this conflict first and does not have plans for an attack on the USA, that’s why the f-22 series is not 750 as planned but 180 .. The US realized that those tasks (for which f 22) will not be! Therefore, they dazzled for some reason.
Understanding that in the event of a global conflict, the presence of f-22 will not have any role in the United States the same is present.

[supertiger21]

Quote: max702

Quote: supertiger21

I don't know about you, but at least I think that 180 F-22s are a big threat. And I would not be so optimistic: "And we will have more." I myself am only FOR, but I think that we will not reach such a number of units before 2022-2024. I would be glad if I'm wrong!

The threat is somewhat exaggerated, think for yourself in a local conflict whether these aircraft will be used if on the other hand there are our dryers and less adequately organized air defense, because there is a high risk of losses, and this is material but most important MORAL costs .. Therefore, this is a global conflict machine, but Again, in the USA, they perfectly understand that Russia will never start this conflict first and does not have plans for an attack on the USA, that’s why the f-22 series is not 750 as planned but 180 .. The US realized that those tasks (for which f 22) will not be! Therefore, they dazzled for some reason.
Understanding that in the event of a global conflict, the presence of f-22 will not have any role in the United States the same is present.

I completely agree! I spoke more theoretically, of course that in practice this is unlikely to happen!

[Knight Rider]

Always and in everything you can do even better! Even such a cool aircraft as the Su-30SM! We are waiting for new contracts! And tomorrow's issue of "Military Acceptance"!

[roskot]

Su-30SM and its export modification Su-30MKI by 2020 will become one of the most numerous aircraft of the Russian Air Force and Navy,

Our birds in our sky will not allow any eagles and other pterodactors to fly there.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: roskot

Su-30SM and its export modification Su-30MKI by 2020 will become one of the most numerous aircraft of the Russian Air Force and Navy,

The Su-30MKI is not our plane, but an Indian one and pleases their pilots, there is no such plane in the Russian Air Force and Navy.

[Maxom75]

If only they were not carried away and the amount of equipment did not become so large that there was no room for ammunition, and the idea is right - serial production reduces the cost of production and helps maintainability.

[Sealek]

The Su platform itself fully meets the requirements for modern mass fighters and has a good modernization stock both in terms of internal volumes and carrying capacity, which cannot be said about MiG crafts - which are suitable only for sale to small countries with a scanty territory or to increase the number of aircraft on board "floating airfields". All producer countries are engaged in the modernization of this generation of platforms - only their platforms do not have a constructive reserve for this, and as a result, "freaks with growths" are obtained. I see no reason to throw poop at Pope's.
KRET workers are definitely great - they do not shelter the results of their R&D, as was customary during the Soviet era, but immediately try to implement them - so that, like water, "penetrate all the cracks" and bring profit to the Russian state.

[31rus]

Well said, I support, but the weapons for our aircraft require improvements and new models

[mvg]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: supertiger21

All the aircraft of the Su-27 family are amazing, but why was it necessary to immediately purchase 4 modifications of a heavy fighter? Su-30SM, Su-30M2, Su-34 and Su-35S, in my opinion, it turns out a little "vinaigrette".

Su-34 Americans from the family of flankers crossed out.
Here a successful glider decides a lot. The speed range is from 200 km / h to M = 2,6 (for the super-rapper rapper, there is a limitation of two speeds of sound - the glider will break). How can one not rivet various modifications sharpened for a specific battlefield.
So this is not a "venegrette", but a very murderous pack

Superpuper Raptor, without afterburner flies at M = 1.8, and 2.6 he also "does"

[Zaurbek]

Mig himself merged and dispersed his specialists, Sukhoi saved the contract with India. They received both money and technology. As a result, we retained personnel and offered the finished product to our Air Force and were able to develop the 5th generation.

[cat hippopotamus]

Well, why not upgrade? If a good glider meets the challenges of the future, then you can upgrade the filling, which will fundamentally change its characteristics for the better. This is like the T-90, a deep modernization of the T-72, as a result, another machine.

[Zaurbek]

Look at the number of upgrades F-15-16, we are still 4th generation tuning 20-30 years!