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Domestic defense industry is ready to hit the crisis of all the guns

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Every two years, Nizhny Tagil accepts, and Uralvagonzavod organizes the International Exhibition of Armament, Military Equipment and Ammunition (RAE), which this year was the 10, jubilee.

Almost 200 enterprises have become exhibitors. They placed 2700 exhibits demonstrating the latest achievements in the field of defense, 98 large-sized were on open sites. The organizers reported that official foreign delegations visited the exhibition, 52 of which were represented by defense ministers, chiefs of general staffs and commanders-general of land forces, and heads of arms purchasing departments. In total, over the four days of work, a demonstration program and exhibits came to see almost 13 thousand people, to cover the event, more than 50 journalists arrived.

It was hard not to notice the keen interest of Russian government leaders in RAE-2015.On the second day of work, the exhibition was visited by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov. The central events of the RAE-2015 were the II Military-Industrial Conference with the participation of a number of high-ranking representatives of the Russian authorities and a round table with the participation of the heads of committees of the State Duma and the Federation Council on defense and security. For the first time, three committees of the State Duma met almost in full force outside their native walls. 20 parliamentarians arrived in Nizhny Tagil specifically for participation in RAE-2015, their active participation gave the exhibition a special significance and a high level of informative discussions. The central themes of conferences, round tables and the exhibition as a whole were import substitution in the defense industry, competition in the global arms market and overcoming economic crises.

A visit to RAE-2015 by the Prime Minister was accompanied by a stir from the press and visitors. While in the pavilions, Dmitry Medvedev, accompanied by Dmitry Rogozin and Oleg Sienko, general director of the Uralvagonzavod corporation, was able to calmly examine the exposition, then on the street high-ranking guests immediately surrounded the crowd, squeezing through which was possible only with the help of security officers.

Uralvagonzavod, in particular, presented at the exhibition two vehicles based on the Armata platform: the T-14 tank and the heavy BMP T-15. But they were not shown in action, although this point was perhaps one of the main intrigues of the exhibition. Already at the end of RAE-2015, it became known that “Armata” in “all its glory” will be shown only two years later on RAE-2017. About this TASS reported the deputy. Director General of Uralvagonzavod Alexey Zharich. “We hope that in 2017, the Ministry of Defense will allow us to demonstrate the fighting qualities of the newest models of Russian weapons, including Armata,” said Zharich.

Before the start of the demonstration program, Dmitry Medvedev made an opening speech. The Prime Minister considers modernization and technical re-equipment to be one of the strategic tasks today. “Today, our country is a key international player in the field of military-technical cooperation, ranks second in the world in terms of sales of military equipment and weapons. Of course, we would very much like to keep these positions ... Today, it is perfectly clear that our country is not in the simplest situation. The course for the replacement of imported technology is not situational, not momentary, it is a long-term course. It will not change our plans for the implementation of the state armaments program, for the development of our military-technical cooperation. I would also like to specifically emphasize this. One of our strategic tasks is the modernization and technical re-equipment of defense enterprises, ”said the Prime Minister.

Dmitry Medvedev described the situation as a whole, at the Military-Industrial Conference a few hours earlier, Dmitry Rogozin described the situation in more detail. From the very beginning, the Vice Premier noted that he would like to speak not only with a welcoming speech to the participants of the conference, but also to focus the attention of those present on a number of important points. Rogozin highlighted particularly important topics today: import substitution, the problem of the products of Ukrainian enterprises, personnel issues and global re-industrialization.

Army aircraft provided landing and tactical assault operations“The most important thing is to understand the details of how we will live in the coming years, how we will put things in order in order to make the most efficient use of every ruble, every penny invested in the state defense order, especially at this time. The time is not easy, the time of economic pressure on our country ... We understand that the main goal of import substitution is not the reproduction of foreign products, but the creation of more constructive domestic products based on a modern technological base. We have many tasks, but the most important: we, solving the problems of rearmament of the army and fleet, must withstand this difficult time, go through it with dignity, grow stronger, so that the trend towards the industrialization of the country has never been challenged and stopped by anyone. The current time requires the defense industry to not only solve the problems of the domestic industry, we today stand, in fact, as the vanguard of strengthening the country's power and its industrial potential. The Russian government has organized annual monitoring of all consolidated state-owned companies. As part of this work, the issue of ensuring transparency of corporate procedures is considered. On September 1, the Federal Law “On Amendments to the Federal Law“ On the State Defense Order ”and certain legislative acts of the Russian Federation” entered into force. In accordance with this law, the work of the system will begin, which will contain information on payments for state defense orders, ”said Dmitry Rogozin.

The last cited thesis of Dmitry Rogozin for the NVO was commented by Maxim Kuzyuk, General Director of Technodinika holding of Rostec State Corporation: “The main issue at the conference is the updated law on state defense order, which will require administrative work, it ensures greater controllability of spending money at enterprises. In principle, this is not new for us, because we both in the holding and in the state corporation have implemented a control system that is necessary for the effective management of enterprises. But the Defense Ministry wants more transparency. This is the right measure at this stage, although it will require more efforts, administrative support, the banks will be loaded, we, the Defense Ministry ... I hope that in the future we will have to switch to incentive measures when we will be interested in increasing efficiency, reducing price as an enterprise producing products. This stage of development will probably be next. ” At the exhibition, Tekhnodinamika holding presented transport and charging systems for the C-300 and C-400 complexes.

Domestic defense industry is ready to hit the crisis of all the guns

К tank The T-14 and the heavy T-15 infantry fighting vehicle, made on the Armata platform, were not allowed near the public. Author photo

Of course, the visitors of the exhibition received special attention from a demonstration show, which was divided into two parts: combat, where units performed the task of destroying a conventional terrorist group, and mobile, during which the running and operational capabilities of individual units were demonstrated. The Mi-8 helicopters, which provided air support to ground forces, also took part in the show. Among the units of equipment, viewers saw in action self-propelled howitzers MSTA-S, tanks T90C and T72B3, BMPT Terminator, BMD-4М, ZSU Shilka-M4 and Tungusk M1, TOC-1A and other equipment. In the second part of the program, the technician was impressed not so much by the virtuoso management of it. Experienced drivers made their cars with amazing accuracy and ease to overcome obstacles, and the driver-mechanics of the T90C, perhaps, was envied even by sportsmen-racers.

More than 9000 ammunition was used in the demonstration program, more than 500 targets were destroyed. Every day, 500 man and 62 of a ground and air vehicle model were involved in the show, which for the first time showed the interaction of different types of troops and equipment. At the final press conference, it was noted that the T-90C, T-90CM, T-72B3 tanks and other promising developments had the greatest interest among foreign delegations. In particular, the delegation of Saudi Arabia showed interest in T-90CM. In addition, as part of the work of the RAE-2015, a contract was signed with India to supply spare parts for T-72 tanks.

In two years, Nizhny Tagil will have to hold the next, 11, the RAE showroom. This decision has already been taken at the level of the government of the country. For the first time, visitors will see a night demonstration of military equipment. Also, the organizers reported about the readiness to increase the number of full-scale samples and exhibition stands at times. RAE-2017 will run from 6 to September 9.
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  1. yuriy55
    yuriy55 20 September 2015 06: 19 New
    +11
    The development of the domestic defense industry is primary!
    Other industries will catch up with him. So it was before. Well, and import substitution is a joker in the hands of business executives and industrialists. Keep it up!!! good
    1. Ruslan
      Ruslan 20 September 2015 07: 10 New
      +5
      eh, again the same rake. the civilian economy should hit the crisis, not the military industrial complex. only its strength determines the strength and capabilities of the state. VPK is an important assistant, but it cannot be the main one, because supplies a narrow army niche and, if it works correctly, is the locomotive of large projects (space, the Internet, etc.), but most depend on the civilian economy. and she’s not in favor to say the least. bet on it must be done first.
      1. Down House
        Down House 20 September 2015 09: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: ruslan
        civilian economy should hit the crisis

        But we only have a capitalist and free state, first of all, it is impossible to force business to forcibly develop the "civilian economy", but we can directly support the defense industry with state orders.
        1. Ruslan
          Ruslan 20 September 2015 11: 14 New
          +1
          haha, all over the world, business can be forced, but we can’t. not weird? there are legislative possibilities of pressure for this. the state has many levers for regulating the "free" market: credit and tax in the first place. another question is that our near-by government does not know how.
          1. Down House
            Down House 20 September 2015 14: 51 New
            0
            Quote: ruslan
            worldwide business can force

            And tell me these magical countries, excluding China and North Korea, of course!
            Quote: ruslan
            the state has many levers to regulate the "free" market

            That is, a business can only be “stimulated”, but there are huge differences between “stimulating” and “making” 2 because the most important incentive for a business is profitability, and for the sake of it it goes offshore without problems and opens production tens of thousands of kilometers from main markets.
            Therefore, once again - it is impossible to force private business directly, this contradicts the very idea of ​​business as free enterprise!
          2. vadson
            vadson 20 September 2015 15: 06 New
            +1
            He doesn’t want but doesn’t know how, or do you think that liberals in the government just sit there? they opened all markets for 25 years, during which time our economy has degraded and turned into a raw material industry from an advanced one.
            1. Down House
              Down House 20 September 2015 15: 16 New
              0
              Quote: vadson
              they opened all markets for 25 years,

              What was it that was discovered to us 25 years ago?
              Maybe we were in the WTO 25 years ago, that we did not have to pay export duties?
              Or our hard worker 25 years ago was ready to work as a Chinese for a bowl of rice a day?
              Do you think in the same resource-rich and Norway-New Zealand over the 25 years a lot of business was open?
              Or do you still acknowledge that in an open world, business cannot be forced to do anything.
      2. Bkmz
        Bkmz 20 September 2015 09: 28 New
        +7
        Friend, whether you like it or not, the military-industrial complex is the engine of progress, the civilian use of military technologies is a side effect, take an interest in the history of simple household appliances, most were created for the army and navy. And how many things have a dual purpose, the same ceramics and composites. War is the most effective incentive for development, whether you like it or not.
        1. kuz363
          kuz363 20 September 2015 11: 23 New
          +1
          such a military-industrial complex engine worked in the west and the USA, but not in the USSR. Where everything was kept secret. Perhaps the same thing is repeated in Russia. The military’s mindset has not changed.
      3. hedgehog in the fog
        hedgehog in the fog 20 September 2015 10: 36 New
        0
        Belarusian clan in WOT invites fighters, 25+, лр5000 +, desire to play and communicate with people, exceptions, questions in PM are possible. (kliuth)
      4. figter
        figter 20 September 2015 15: 43 New
        +2
        yuriy55 SU Today, 06: 19
        The development of the domestic defense industry is primary!
        Other industries will catch up with him. So it was before.

        Yeah, of course, right along with Lada-Kalina, Belarusian potatoes and Chinese office equipment, and all in one echelon.
      5. tot843
        tot843 18 October 2015 00: 02 New
        0
        I fundamentally disagree with the comment. It is the military-industrial complex that should become the locomotive of the new post-industrial economy of the Russian Federation. I see the military-industrial complex in the form of structured research and production holding companies producing high-tech dual-use products in related industries with the participation of the Russian Academy of Sciences and world-class specialized universities. These holdings will be trained by these staffs together with specialized universities and technical schools. They will also support and develop experimental ideas and development of young scientists. As a result, Russia will become the birthplace of new high-tech TNCs. In short.
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 20 September 2015 08: 41 New
      +3
      Is it Medvedev about the effectiveness of investing the ruble? laughing Do not tell my slippers.
    4. kuz363
      kuz363 20 September 2015 11: 20 New
      -2
      Restrain your enthusiasm. Primary is the provision of food to the population. Because a hungry hard worker in the civilian sphere or the military-industrial complex cannot work. And the military-industrial complex is the burial of money in weapons that produce nothing. What little canned 20 thousand tanks outside the Urals, withdrawn from Germany? Thanks to the immoderate armament of the USSR, it fell apart.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 20 September 2015 19: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: kuz363
        What little canned 20 thousand tanks outside the Urals, withdrawn from Germany? Thanks to the immoderate armament of the USSR, it fell apart.

        Do not hang noodles on our ears.
        If not for the traitor Gorbachev, then no collapse would have followed. The second traitor is the wino Yeltsin. His greed and desire to become the leader of the country finished the collapse of the USSR. And second, why did America with its military spending of $ 596 billion not fall apart in 2014?
        We are waiting for the truthful answer, why America, with its enormous expenditures on the army, has not yet collapsed!
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 20 September 2015 19: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: kuz363
        Primary is the provision of food to the population. Because a hungry hard worker in the civilian sphere or the military-industrial complex will not be able to work

        1. Are you dying of hunger?
        2. Personally know someonewho is starving?

        Quote: kuz363
        And the military-industrial complex is the burial of money in weapons that produce nothing

        But it sells well ..

        Quote: kuz363
        Thanks to the immoderate armament of the USSR, it fell apart

        Delirium request
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 20 September 2015 11: 53 New
      +5
      For the domestic defense industry, 40% of the budget is sincerely glad (in the USSR there were even more). Yesterday I took out a colorful leaflet from my inbox - “Hit the Crisis with a Price Cut”! with a picture of a man with a sledgehammer. And that’s it. Maybe hit, if this is not an advertisement for the acquisition of a sledgehammer by the entire population. laughing And what is worse - "cobblestone - the weapon of the proletariat"? And where is he, this proletariat? Solid managers and guards - suction from the pockets of those to whom retired and teacher salaries for oil falls. The system must be changed!
      1. Sweles
        Sweles 20 September 2015 12: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        The system must be changed!


        the system will change only by replacing the subjects of the system, and these hold on tightly to places, cheerfully report on successes - you won’t get stuck ...
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 20 September 2015 12: 49 New
          -1
          Quote: Sveles
          system entities

          Quote: Sveles
          I hold request tsya

          .. and this person taught me that you need to love the Russian language ..

          Mdja ..
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          2. Sweles
            Sweles 20 September 2015 13: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Quote: Sveles
            system entities

            Quote: Sveles
            I hold request tsya

            .. and this person taught me that you need to love the Russian language ..

            Mdja ..


            do you have nothing more to do than track me? is such a task on the site? As for KEEPING and KEEPING, the Russian literary language is only a PART of the GENERAL RUSSIAN LANGUAGE, therefore there is HERE, and there is TOTOUS and DUTERS, but this is the language spoken by Russian people, and not American and non-Jewish-Brighton ...
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 20 September 2015 13: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Sveles
              but this is the language spoken by Russian people, not American and not Jewish-Brighton

              This .. Russian to the priest ..

              Nefig teach and make himself holier than the Pope when you own the language .. weakly, mildly speaking.

              Quote: Sveles
              do you have nothing more to do than track me?

              Nah ... a lot of honor laughing

              I caught my eye .. Sweles .. it’s just very much today request
              1. Sweles
                Sweles 20 September 2015 13: 32 New
                -1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                This .. Russian to the priest ..


                This is where most of your arguments come from, they come from here and come back here ...

                Quote: Cat Man Null
                I caught sight of Sveles .. there’s a LOT of him today


                so much attention?
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 20 September 2015 13: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: Sveles
                  so much attention?

                  Yeah .. especially this amused me:

                  Quote: Sveles
                  new materials, such as titanium, composites, which we have

                  - Sfig would titanium and "composites" (at least what is it - you know? My doubts ..) - "new materials"?
                  - "which we have" - ​​WHO, in a stump, "we have"?

                  Okay .. Sweles .. go in peace laughing
                  1. Sweles
                    Sweles 20 September 2015 14: 21 New
                    0
                    okay cool null ...
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            2. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 20 September 2015 14: 50 New
              -1
              Totenka teacher? stolii ???? laughing
            3. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 20 September 2015 19: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: Sveles
              ABOUT KEEPING and KEEPING, the Russian literary language is only a PART of the GENERAL RUSSIAN LANGUAGE, therefore there is HERE, but there is TOTOUS and DUALS, but this is the language that the Russian people speak

              I don’t know who “Cat Man Null” is, but your idea of ​​Russian is at the level of two. And if the losers begin to dictate to us how to speak and write, then goodbye to the Russian language. After 100 years, the Urals will not be able to understand the Volga, and those and others will not understand the Muscovites. And non-Russian nationalities will completely switch to their languages, because in Russian they will not understand anything.
              DO NOT OUTPUT US THE THEories OF THE BOINS about the great Russian language!
              1. Sweles
                Sweles 20 September 2015 20: 49 New
                -3
                Quote: Алексей_К
                Quote: Sveles
                ABOUT KEEPING and KEEPING, the Russian literary language is only a PART of the GENERAL RUSSIAN LANGUAGE, therefore there is HERE, but there is TOTOUS and DUALS, but this is the language that the Russian people speak

                I don’t know who “Cat Man Null” is, but your idea of ​​Russian is at the level of two. And if the losers begin to dictate to us how to speak and write, then goodbye to the Russian language. After 100 years, the Urals will not be able to understand the Volga, and those and others will not understand the Muscovites. And non-Russian nationalities will completely switch to their languages, because in Russian they will not understand anything.
                DO NOT OUTPUT US THE THEories OF THE BOINS about the great Russian language!


                Russian uncle is Ukrainian, too, is a Malorussian dialect. And I PIDU, I PIDDLE JOKE and Belarusian. and the Bolshevik (I like it more) reforms and therefore KEEP-KEEP is no worse than KEEP and it is not a language of dvoeshnikami, but as people say ...
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 20 September 2015 21: 12 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Sveles
                  and this is not a language of dvoeshnikami, but how people speak ...

                  Exactly ..

                  And people say "hare", for example laughing

                  Sweles, everything is good already .. I'll die right here .. from laughter ..

                  Not the worst option, of course, but right now - I would not want to laughing
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 20 September 2015 21: 01 New
                0
                Quote: Алексей_К
                I don’t know who Cat Man Null is.

                Similarly, I also do not know who you are.

                Quote: Алексей_К
                Your idea of ​​Russian at the level of the quartet

                Forgot to write - "in my humble opinion." I do it for you.

                Quote: Алексей_К
                Ralts will not be able to understand the Volzhans, and those and others will not understand the Muscovites. And non-Russian nationalities will completely switch to their languages, because in Russian they will not understand anything.

                That's just to make everything clear to everyone - you need to write in the same way. That is competently. yes

                Quote: Алексей_К
                DO NOT OUTPUT US THE THEories OF THE BOINS about the great Russian language!

                This is for you, as they say in Odessa. hi

                Quote: Алексей_К
                DON'T IMPOSE US THEORY OF BOINS

                Caps in the message is considered rudeness .. or am I missing something?

                PS: Strictly speaking, I’m nothing for you .. but I just couldn’t impose it, because I didn’t contact you.

                I get it? wink
                1. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K 21 September 2015 17: 31 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  PS: Strictly speaking, I’m nothing for you .. but I just couldn’t impose it, because I didn’t contact you.

                  I get it?

                  So I did not contact you. Why are you so offended? You didn’t like the phrase “I don’t know who“ Cat Man Null ”is, you deserve it. None of the photos, NICK is your“ Cat Man Null. ”Moreover, I don’t know who you are, where you live, well, nationality so as not to offend you too much with my chauvinism .. Yes, I didn’t criticize your Russian language - you’ve set up “fences” from the comments.
                  But you need to teach a little bit - in Odessa they say not Odessa, but Odessa and this is a literary pronunciation accepted in Russian.
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          4. Maksus
            Maksus 20 September 2015 15: 36 New
            +4
            In general, a person who does not know his native language must be equated with saboteurs and not allowed to the Internet!
    7. Sweles
      Sweles 20 September 2015 12: 42 New
      0
      a lot of money has been invested in impressions, it’s certainly a good and useful business, but are there any contracts? - almost no, well, except for the armada platform, the foreigner went picky, and prices continue to climb uphill, the same mi17 are already at 22 miles. for India, greenery and this is not the limit ...
  2. Blackwizardru
    Blackwizardru 20 September 2015 06: 26 New
    +2
    Happy news drinks
  3. Tatarname
    Tatarname 20 September 2015 06: 41 New
    +4
    Quote: yuriy55
    The development of the domestic defense industry is primary!
    Other industries will catch up with him. So it was before. Well, and import substitution is a joker in the hands of business executives and industrialists. Keep it up!!! good

    What came first - chicken or egg? Agriculture, roads, consumer goods. Everything is primary, no distortions. And then again to build housing without infrastructure - without shops, schools, kindergartens, clinics. And in stores products for coupons. Already passed or again on the same rake ...?
    1. Babr
      Babr 20 September 2015 06: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: Tatarname
      Quote: yuriy55
      The development of the domestic defense industry is primary!
      Other industries will catch up with him. So it was before. Well, and import substitution is a joker in the hands of business executives and industrialists. Keep it up!!! good

      What came first - chicken or egg? Agriculture, roads, consumer goods. Everything is primary, no distortions. And then again to build housing without infrastructure - without shops, schools, kindergartens, clinics. And in stores products for coupons. Already passed or again on the same rake ...?

      And did not think. Why primary?
      Who over the hill will reckon with a bare ass.
      This is not a concern for the people, this is a concern for their image.
      Have you ever wondered why you increased the salary of the policemen (quietly in other industries).
      This is not a concern for the people; it is a fear of the people.
      1. Babr
        Babr 20 September 2015 07: 23 New
        -2
        Speaking of the military-industrial complex and Armata, these are the thoughts. Watch 33:00.
        (Now I will become like a Christmas tree lol )
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        2. wk
          wk 20 September 2015 09: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Babr
          Speaking of the military-industrial complex and Armata, these are the thoughts. Watch 33:00. (Now I will become like a Christmas tree)

          generally not an admirer of S. Demura ... but in Armata he cuts to the point, and for other weapons.
          1. Babr
            Babr 20 September 2015 09: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: wk
            not a fan of S. Demura at all

            Yes, I, too, am not enthusiastic about him. But useful things can be gleaned.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 20 September 2015 08: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Tatarname
      What came first - chicken or egg? Agriculture, roads, consumer goods. Everything is primary, no distortions.



      Here, always - in a combination of the military-industrial complex and the rest of the economy - there was not just a bias, but a wrong approach ...

      The military-industrial complex is the engine of the scientific and technological process, the best minds work there and a lot of money is invested ...
      But, even in Soviet times, in Western countries, the latest developments after 5 years partially removed the secrecy stamp and were transferred to the national economy ...

      In our country, the signature stamp could stand on these developments when there was no secret left ...

      As a result, it often turned out - neither to myself nor to people ...

      So everywhere you need a balanced approach ...
    3. Down House
      Down House 20 September 2015 09: 30 New
      -1
      Quote: Tatarname
      And then again to build housing without infrastructure - without shops, schools, kindergartens, clinics.

      Do not like it, do not buy this. You can buy business-class housing with your own parking and a kindergarten on the ground floor, but such an infrastructure will logically cost additional money.
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 20 September 2015 15: 33 New
        0
        We each selects the technique that he wants, and drives it as he wants, and where he wants)))
        1. Down House
          Down House 20 September 2015 15: 49 New
          0
          Well, our person has a choice, to buy or budget but "sucks", or expensive but "awesome."
          The problem is that nobody likes the budget - because it’s “sucks”, and they don’t like it awesome too - because it’s “expensive”))))
          A freebie, it so happened in this world does not happen fellow
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 20 September 2015 07: 07 New
    -3
    The Uralvagonzavod, in particular, presented at the exhibition two vehicles based on the Armata platform: the T-14 tank and the heavy T-15 infantry fighting vehicle


    As Uralvagonzavod supported GDP in time. And now they are making masterpieces of weapons.
    However, our President is wise!
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 20 September 2015 07: 13 New
      +12
      Quote: aszzz888
      As Uralvagonzavod supported GDP in time. And now they are making masterpieces of weapons.
      However, our President is wise!

      The wisdom of the "ingenious" and "irreplaceable" I will not comment, so as not to arrange a swara. no Another question is why supporting some enterprises, spread rot others? Do you really think that in Omsk or at the Kirov plant in St. Petersburg they can’t do anything?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 20 September 2015 08: 55 New
        -1
        Do you really think that in Omsk or at the Kirov plant in St. Petersburg they can’t do anything?


        Sorry, but I just didn’t say that.

        P.C. And in Omsk and Kirov, they probably can. hi
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 20 September 2015 09: 00 New
          +4
          Quote: aszzz888
          Sorry, but I just didn’t say that.

          P.C. And in Omsk and Kirov, they probably can.

          Of course they can, but they don’t help. request This is the question of "wisdom."
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 20 September 2015 09: 18 New
            0
            This is the question of "wisdom."


            And yet, we need to consider this issue "wider", and to people "softer."
            This issue is very multifaceted, there are a lot of other reasons and circumstances.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 20 September 2015 09: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: aszzz888
              And yet, we need to consider this issue "wider", and to people "softer."
              This issue is very multifaceted, there are a lot of other reasons and circumstances.

              I agree with you yes But about the "wisdom" once again not worth it. hi

              Quote: Down House
              Maybe they can, but for some reason they all can and for some reason everything is all different, it is time to switch to unification and get rid of the factories pulling the blankets!


              No one offers at these plants to produce different types of MBT as it was in the USSR. But now we have only one tank manufacturer left - Uralvagonzavod. Omsk Transport Engineering Plant is currently a subsidiary of OAO NPK Uralvagonzavod. The lack of competition is not gut.
              1. aszzz888
                aszzz888 20 September 2015 12: 39 New
                -1
                But about the "wisdom" once again not worth it. hi


                And here I do not agree. Sorry ..
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 20 September 2015 09: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: Bongo
        Do you really think that in Omsk or at the Kirov plant in St. Petersburg they can’t do anything?

        I don’t know how in Omsk, but now in St. Petersburg nothing can be done in this regard.
        The reformers cut the tank stand, and the design bureau dissolved
      3. Down House
        Down House 20 September 2015 09: 32 New
        -2
        Quote: Bongo
        Do you really think that in Omsk or at the Kirov plant in St. Petersburg they can’t do anything?

        Maybe they can, but for some reason they all can and for some reason everything is all different, it is time to switch to unification and get rid of the factories pulling the blankets!
    2. wk
      wk 20 September 2015 09: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      As Uralvagonzavod supported GDP in time. And now they are making masterpieces of weapons. However, our President is wise!

      are you talking about B.N. Yeltsin? after all, it was with his hands that UVZ became a monopoly in tank armament .... it was he who destroyed the Kirovskoye (SPB) and Omsk design bureaus specializing in the more modern T-80 .... practically forcing them to adopt stupid and expensive unlike the t72 t- 90-72 ... and they had an operating time according to the "black eagle" not cardboard Armata! .... and now, in general, the modernization of the T72B3 is more expensive than the first t-90-72 ... and the combat-ready t-14,15 will appear as soon as communism!
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 20 September 2015 12: 37 New
        0
        are you talking about B.N. Yeltsin?


        And what, very similar - GDP and B.N. Yeltsin?!?
        Then I do not know...
        And can read more closely, so as not to get into a mess?
        1. wk
          wk 20 September 2015 13: 22 New
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          Quote: aszzz888
          And can read more closely, so as not to get into a mess?

          it might be better to learn history, rather than watch Kiselev!
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 20 September 2015 13: 48 New
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            it might be better to learn history, rather than watch Kiselev!


            It’s already Kiselev’s fault!
            An hour not out of the cold?

            If not, turn off the air conditioner, you can catch a cold in the end ...
            1. wk
              wk 21 September 2015 04: 10 New
              +2
              Quote: aszzz888
              It’s already Kiselev’s fault! Not an hour from the cold season?

              no .... just you don’t know much about Kiselev’s activities in previous years ..... his real views .... “WILD RUSSOPHOBA” ..... how he worked for the “family” in the 90s ... how the influence of change began to change color .... and now, in essence, it trolls Russia, only does it in a particularly sophisticated form ...... if you like it reaches its goal.
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  5. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 20 September 2015 07: 16 New
    +4
    The defense industry complex is an engine, but without good roads in the country, too, nothing ...
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 20 September 2015 07: 55 New
      +1
      I don’t already know, but in a country with an eternal road problem, some standards must be adhered to in the construction of these same roads. And here we have, for example, know-how, pour the mixture onto the old canvas, drive it several times with the skating rink and pass it off as reconstruction ... The quality is still up to the first rain, the most important thing is the complexity of accounting for the work done. How to determine how much was poured ... (how much grain was poured into the incubators after threshing the chill) ... wink
  6. yuriy55
    yuriy55 20 September 2015 07: 49 New
    +3
    To the question: "What came first - chicken or egg?" ...
    Life originated in the ocean, and originally the egg was a caviar. Remember the joke:
    - What do you sell? Caviar?
    - No. These are fish eggs.
    “Why so expensive?”
    - Why expensive? As usual - thirty ruble per dozen.

    And, returning to the topic, by primary I meant the development of technology. The high technologies used in the domestic defense industry to create new types of weapons should equally be used to create automated processing lines, new equipment for the food, light and agricultural industries. That's all.
    The joker in the sleeve of business executives and industrialists is the lack of strong competition and the time to invest in their own economy.
    That's all ... hi
  7. dimon-media
    dimon-media 20 September 2015 07: 50 New
    +3
    There is no need to argue that the primary thing to develop. The defense industry or civilian industry with roads, and both need the state.
    It is necessary to develop synchronously with other industries, giving priority to the sector of the economy or production that needs the support of the state. In other words, without fanaticism! But no doubt, the army must be strong. The army and our sovereignty are one and the same for us.
    1. oberon 1
      oberon 1 20 September 2015 08: 33 New
      +1
      Valuable statement and thoughtful
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 20 September 2015 08: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: dimon-media
      Need to develop in sync with other industries, giving priority to the sector of the economy or production that needs state support.



      Totally agree with you !!!
      However, I will ask the echidze a question: what sector of the national economy does not need priority support now?

      Yes, everyone needs ... But financial resources in such a volume - no ...

      However, technology is returning through the defense industry, as well as new ones are being created ... So its development can be considered a guarantee-foundation for the further development of the entire national economy ...

      PS It sounds strange: "national economy" ... For a long time everything has been taken away from the people, but the term remains ...
      1. Babr
        Babr 20 September 2015 09: 51 New
        +4
        Greetings George.
        Here is the forecast from Katasonov to watch somewhere around 22:00
        Not wang but nevertheless. And maybe higher.
        By the way, you can watch everything. Interesting.
        Quote: veksha50
        It sounds strange: "national economy" ... For a long time everything has been taken away from the people, but the term remains ...
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 20 September 2015 10: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Babr
          Greetings George.


          Hello Victor...

          I can’t listen yet - my sick wife is lying, and I’ve touched my headphones somewhere ...

          A little bit later...
  8. wk
    wk 20 September 2015 09: 31 New
    +2
    as I understand, there weren’t any serious contracts signed .... the Arabs were interested in something there, it seems 90CM, which we are not able to produce for ourselves on a large scale ... not looking at multibillion investments, the defense industry is bending .... when the large-scale program was announced rearmament after the war 08.08.08 ... I certainly did not burn with optimism, but I did not expect such a wild failure!
  9. Stranger
    Stranger 20 September 2015 11: 20 New
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    I understand and hear everything is lost, we are bent. There it is here. the factory and roads flew by, then the grandfather’s shops at home. school gardens, etc. ... but only if the factory needed to be profitable
  10. IAlex
    IAlex 20 September 2015 12: 36 New
    0
    Since there is no civil industry, it’s good that the military somehow works ...
  11. Victor-M
    Victor-M 20 September 2015 13: 29 New
    +1
    Sometimes one wonders if our officials at all levels of government are unable to prove to the West that they (officials) are able to make candy from their country, Russia, to the envy of all ill-wishers, and that their well-being does not depend on their accounts in the offshore companies, which tomorrow they will be arrested by the pro-American authorities of these countries, both fenced by a two-meter-high fence and with the protection of palaces, against the background of collapsing huts, and from the well-being of the population of their own country, which in gratitude will give them their support. So sometimes I want them (officials) to ask:
    "Are you weak?". wink
    1. anip
      anip 20 September 2015 17: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Victor-M
      Sometimes one wonders if our officials, who are at all levels of power, are not able to prove to the West that they (officials) are able to make candy from their country - Russia, to the envy of all ill-wishers,

      Do they need it? It’s easier to steal, raise prices from TV screens, and not by real deeds, to “prove” to the people of Russia how they, the people, live well.
  12. gregor6549
    gregor6549 20 September 2015 15: 54 New
    +1
    "The domestic defense industry is ready to hit the crisis with all the weapons." Fresh legend and hard to believe. Moreover, very authoritative representatives of this defense industry complex in their public speeches have repeatedly emphasized that this is impossible to eat in the foreseeable future.
    1. anip
      anip 20 September 2015 17: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: gregor6549
      "The domestic defense industry is ready to hit the crisis with all the weapons." Fresh legend and hard to believe. Moreover, very authoritative representatives of this defense industry complex in their public speeches have repeatedly emphasized that this is impossible to eat in the foreseeable future.

      He would add: all the more so since you’re fed up with one military industrial complex, you’ll not be dressed.
  13. arrows
    arrows 20 September 2015 18: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: ruslan
    haha, all over the world, business can be forced, but we can’t. not weird? there are legislative possibilities of pressure for this. the state has many levers for regulating the "free" market: credit and tax in the first place. another question is that our near-by government does not know how.

    It's good that FAR Ruslan is not in the government
  14. aleks.baa2012
    aleks.baa2012 21 September 2015 02: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Babr
    Speaking of the military-industrial complex and Armata, these are the thoughts. Watch 33:00.
    (Now I will become like a Christmas tree lol )

    This Dimura is lying straight away !!! any psychologist will analyze it according to notes, plus boorish behavior is designed for scared amateurs, but as a refreshing soul we’ll not be worse soldier. ras dimura so simple sr .... at all means our authorities need it, remember the last election of Putin pitted all of them among themselves and to the side drinks and you can immediately see who is who !!!!