"Russian PMCs are late for this market years on 50-60"




What do Russian private military companies do? How does their work differ from the work of mercenaries? And how could PMCs make a difference in Syria? These and other questions were answered by Kommersant FM presenter Anatoly Kuzicheva by the head of the RSB Group private military company Oleg Krinitsyn in the framework of the Actors program.

“We cannot occupy the niche that the British already occupy”


Oleg Krinitsyn on the functions of private military companies: “In fact, private military companies are not defined by law, but since we are the heirs of Byzantine jurisprudence, and the fact that we are not prohibited, it is allowed, unfortunately or fortunately. Therefore, having absorbed the most positive experience of foreign private military companies, we began our activities as a private military company since 2011, which is fundamentally different from private security companies.

The task of a private security company is to protect an object or to protect a person’s personal security. The spectrum of our services and our functional obligations are much broader. We work with weapons outside the Russian Federation, and without violating the laws of the Russian Federation or the laws of the host country. The fact is that the laws of other countries in relation to weapons are more loyal than the Russian law on weapons. The Russian law on weapons does not allow the full use of weapons for certain specific tasks. Abroad laws are more loyal, we have the opportunity to officially buy weapons outside, relatively speaking, in Malta, to obtain a license and work within the laws of the country where we are located. Therefore, we understand that the state does not stand behind us, we clearly track that gray border line where the law goes into lawlessness. ”

About working with domestic clients: “Our clients are not only Russian companies, but also foreign ones, they go under various flags, at sea it is so convenient - it could be the flag of Panama, the flag of Belize and other countries. We also protect Russian vessels, Russian research vessels, therefore, in principle, any interested country can hire us within the law. ”

"A person who has seen death will appreciate life"


Oleg Krinitsyn on interaction with the state: “A private military company is an instrument for the continuation of state policy. And where there is not always a benefit and it is not always advisable to use the armed forces for various political moments, for financial moments, for some temporary parameters, foreign countries have long been actively used by these private military companies, which seem to be private traders, but work under a state contract. Accordingly, they are not servicemen, they are not included in the list of fallen servicemen. For example, in Iraq on 1, thousands of dead American military personnel of the order of 1,7 thousand dead contractors, that is, employees of private military companies. But they are not included in the general lists of losses. It is convenient for the state. ”

On the thin line between mercenaries and PMCs: “We do not fight - it falls under the article“ mercenary ”. There is a clear definition of who is a mercenary. If we are not citizens of this country, we are the third country, if we are not combatants, if we receive more reward than soldiers of this country receive in the conduct of hostilities, we fall under the definition of "mercenaries". But if, while ensuring the security and protection of a strategically important facility abroad, we are attacked, then we, according to the contract, contract and law, are obliged to take measures to protect the facility, the life, its own and the client. Here is the gray line, when the person who is engaged in the security, is already moving on to active hostilities in response, counterattacks. And if, say, to use this moment, really, if there were 10-20 in Syria, thousands of employees of private military Russian companies who would work in the interests of the Russian state, naturally, I am sure that the course would be broken stories, and not only in Syria, but also in Libya. "


“We are the only provider of UN security in Russia”

Oleg Krinitsyn wage workers PMC: “In PMCs, in our company there are two levels of employees. The first level of employees is permanent, it is those who provide jobs: lawyers, accountants, operations managers. And there is a variable composition that comes to fulfill the contract. Naturally, they have different salaries. Some people have a stable salary, while others have it depending on the complexity and danger of the contract. But I will say that in any case, our employees receive more than officers in the armed forces receive in the rank of lieutenant colonel, colonel. I believe that people who professionally perform their work risk their lives, they should receive serious money. Naturally, we do not reach the level offered by American leaders to their fighters of private military companies, for example, in Iraq they received $ 500 per day, if they were in the “green zone”, in Baghdad, then about $ 300 per day .

There, our Russians, who worked in foreign companies, received less by an order of magnitude. Naturally, the Pentagon pays for contracts. The infamous Black Water had turnover of about $ 700 thousand per year, after a contract with the Pentagon grew to $ 10 billion, it is clear who orders the music, he dances to this music. Accordingly, we cannot pay such money, but I will tell you that for 12 days of vessel escort, employees receive about $ 2,5 thousand. Plus, I pay them a round-trip flight, insurance $ 250 thousand per person. I am rather scrupulous about people - I’m ready to lose a weapon, I’m ready to lose anything, but human life is very important. ”

On the methods of work of American PMCs: “A private military company is the organism, the structure, which is responsible for supporting the activities of the troops. Americans have a percentage of the loss of 1,7 in relation to the military. But it must be borne in mind that the tactics of the conduct of the battle by the American army are first carpet bombing, a powerful artillery strike, and after that the troops are coming. If they meet with resistance, everything begins all over again, and everything is level with the land: the village, the militants, the women, and the goats, everything that comes under the projectile.

It should be understood that when the regular troops pass, there will be some empty buffer zone behind them. There is a private military company behind the troops, which is carrying out a sweep operation, it is very dangerous, and it’s natural that guerrilla groups that attack are in the rear, therefore many people die. ”
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  1. yuriy55 19 September 2015 04: 27 New
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    "Russian PMCs are late for this market years on 50-60"

    Russia "has not been led" into your "bazaar", for it is impossible to create competitive armed units privately, with one benefit - to fill your pockets. And the guards (guard) we already have 600 ... In addition to everything else, this contradicts the state military doctrine ...

    Our army and navy reliably protects us, it feeds its military-industrial complex well !!!
    soldier

    "A person who has seen death will appreciate life"

    A man killing for money cannot value life for free ... yes
    1. strannik1985 19 September 2015 05: 10 New
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      Why did you decide that the task of PMC-stuffing pockets of those in power? From the point of view of the state, this is a convenient tool for continuing politics by force. No one will be indignant at sending PMC employees to Syria, for example, in contrast to sending military personnel, albeit contract service, but supporting Syria in the fight against ISIS is our vital interest, if the militants win, they will come to us, to the Caucasus. And our power structures on our land will already be at war.
      1. yuriy55 19 September 2015 05: 17 New
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        Only your pockets, sir, only yours! Nobody has managed to fill state pockets (perhaps in the history of mankind there have been such cases) ...
        1. Babr 19 September 2015 05: 39 New
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          strannik1985
          PMC. Private company. With what recession will it protect the interests of the state?
          But in clan showdowns it is very useful.
          1. strannik1985 19 September 2015 06: 04 New
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            Quote: Babr
            strannik1985
            PMC. Private company. With what recession will it protect the interests of the state?
            But in clan showdowns it is very useful.

            That is, the state cannot be a customer?
            In which private? PMCs in Russia can compete with the relevant structures of the FSB or the Ministry of Internal Affairs?
            1. Babr 19 September 2015 06: 42 New
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              Quote: strannik1985
              That is, the state cannot be a customer?

              And why bother? FSB, Ministry of Internal Affairs already exists.
              Operations Abroad.
              Can you imagine if each company (armed) will defend its private interests there? But the interests are different. Foreign territory. There are their own laws.
              The state can defend its interests by force. But then it is the state.

              "Russian PMCs are late for this market years on 50-60"
              With foam at the mouth, we bow the mattresses for their bandit intrusions, and we themselves follow their example. But why wonder where the pop is, such is the parish.
              1. strannik1985 19 September 2015 06: 57 New
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                Why do you put PMCs and the state on different sides? The first is one of the possible tools of the second. For example, in Sudan, the 40th Chinese PMC defends the interests of Chinese mining companies, up to the release of hostages in conjunction with the Sudanese armed forces. Someone talking about the PLA in Sudan? No, the Sudanese government is working with the Chinese Horns and Hooves PMCs, but the effect is the same. The diplomatic effect is completely different.
                PMCs like a knife, you can kill a person, or you can remove appendicitis.
                1. Babr 19 September 2015 07: 17 New
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                  Why do you put PMCs and the state on different sides?

                  Vladimir. Think about the words. Private Military Campaign. Private, and also military. For actions behind the cordon, this is a criminal armed organization. If it has not been hired, this is the state. But this is already a mercenary.
                  For domestic action, gang formation.
                  Quote: strannik1985
                  PMCs like a knife, you can kill a person, or you can remove the appendicitis

                  Pay. And removing the appendix, it will kill.
                  I am wrong?
                  1. Nosgoth 19 September 2015 11: 37 New
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                    It seems that some have revised Hollywood consumer goods (The Expendables and others like them).

                    PMCs are not a military base, somewhere in the vastness of Russia, where its entire staff (10 thousand people, for example) hangs out daily with weapons and in full gear. And there is nothing to do, with the same weapon he roams around neighboring villages and cities, causing fear, because they (PMC employees), in your opinion, must certainly be drug addicts / alcoholics / sadists / rapists, etc.

                    Yes you rave !!!

                    For example. PMCs, with a staff of 10 thousand people (list employees, by the way), are actually located in one office building (one floor is enough) and consists of 15-20 employees (those who are on permanent duty) who never see weapons their daily activities (lawyers, accountants, personnel officers, logisticians, system administrators, etc.).
                    All the rest, in your opinion - "thugs" mercenaries - These are several fireproof cabinets with 9980 profiles of those who expressed a desire to work under the contract (they passed the initial interview, checks for the sins of the past, professional suitability and honey commission). The maximum is the rental of a pair of shooting ranges / climbing slides / pools / racetracks for extreme driving, etc. And this is only to prepare the next batch for sending (not all 9980 people, namely a group of 5,10,20 people).
                    And when PMCs have an order, let's say 5 people are escorting a vessel, then they select candidates from the list of profiles (personnel officers), 50 people (most suitable for their skills), eliminating many (those who are busy - service, injury, business trip, etc. .d.) already specifically gaining the necessary "five" with which a contract is concluded for the period of escort of the vessel. Well, there is additional training of course, small training, health checks again, etc.

                    So, these weapons "thugs" mercenaries receive only at the place of fulfillment of their duties (on board the vessel) and hand it in there, on the implementation of the contract. And they use weapons in accordance with the laws of the country in whose territory they fulfill their duties.

                    So your “childhood” fears and ignorance of the elementary principles of the functioning of any PMC, and especially the legislative base of all this, just make you laugh. The USA with their approach is not credible here. US approaches to everything “through one place” both in politics and in the rest.

                    Of course, PMCs have many contracts, but most employees (according to profiles) can only engage in some kind of war / conflict, and MOT ONLY with the permission and full support of the state (even if not publicizing it). And in normal times, much less than 10% of all available employees (waiting for a contract) are involved. Because 100% of the staff of PMCs in the territory of their country (outside of the assignment) is without weapons and most are in different places (at home). With weapons, only those who are currently training in shooting ranges, their number is negligible.

                    So most mercenaries in ordinary life simply do their daily work, rather than ruining villages laughing


                    So, then, did it scare you so much?
                    This is not a sect that is united by one idea, whose members will go to any trick of their "masters".

                    But this is an effective way to maintain its "power" presence where our political or economic interests are. Our army does not even have enough transports to make the right amount of “walker” in Syria alone. And about hundreds of places around the world ... it's just fantasies and fabulous amounts.

                    And PMCs on a civilian ship can move to any place and act in collaboration with local authorities, they do not need constant convoys of warships and ambitious infrastructure.
                    1. zoknyay82 19 September 2015 12: 05 New
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                      A soldier fighting for money is called a mercenary. Who pays more for fighting. World history is full of examples of the transition of mercenaries from one "customer" to another during one company. Wild geese, landsknechts, etc. N A E M N I C I, PMC leash, another sign hiding the unsightly face of killers for D N N G I.
                      1. Babr 19 September 2015 14: 08 New
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                        zoknyay82

                        Short and capacious. hi
                      2. Nosgoth 19 September 2015 14: 55 New
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                        Mmm. Examples are possible when a group of mercenaries, consisting of citizens of one state, went over to the side of another and attacked their own. Religious, political and other reasons, please do not name. It's about money. And I am ready to see from you a long list of mercenary armies attacking their own states, their own villages, cities, families, only for money.

                        I understand that when a mercenary is the face of a third country, this is one thing. And when a mercenary in the service of his own state is another.

                        Any person working for money is a hired person. The question is only in the sphere of activity and how it is regulated by the state.

                        For your example, you can summarize corrupt cops, military coups, etc. Well, most coups were arranged by mercenary forces from outside and by the forces of our own army and special services, in those countries where there were no mention of our own mercenaries.
                      3. Cat man null 19 September 2015 14: 59 New
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                        Quote: zoknyay82
                        A soldier fighting for money is called a mercenary.

                        And an employee of a private military company is just a hired company worker.

                        Where the company sends, it will work there.

                        Feel the difference wink
                      4. zoknyay82 19 September 2015 20: 11 New
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                        The hired employee does the work, and the hired soldier kills whom they order. Feel the difference. You can kill to protect your homeland, home, family, finally yourself loved but not for the money.
                      5. gridasov 19 September 2015 20: 14 New
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                        type of money is very different from the ideas of a fanatic.
                      6. Nosgoth 21 September 2015 17: 07 New
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                        Can official examples say that a PMC employee should be a hit man? Purflinks in the studio. Do not offer delusional dreams.

                        Learn a better topic. A mercenary is the same private security officer who is paid for protection, only he has more serious weapons and is in an unfriendly atmosphere (war, armed conflict, etc.) and both will defend themselves when attacking them. Only everyone due to circumstances and available funds.

                        You will be surprised, but in a combat situation, sacrifices are inevitable.

                        Do private security companies also have the task of killing? And if they are placed in the midst of a military conflict?
                    2. Nosgoth 21 September 2015 16: 58 New
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                      If an employee of a private company “poison cockroaches” is sent to poison people, not insects, will he be at least surprised?

                      Or plumbing will be sent to a burning house, unscrew the toilet. Yes, he will send you to hell.

                      The bottom line is what a person "subscribes to."

                      Any company has statutory tasks, and staff gets acquainted with their functions before proceeding with their implementation.

                      Those. if a company under the control of special services and people are hired according to the laws of the Russian Federation, this does not mean that all those hired by magic will immediately become violators of the law.

                      But we just don’t have enough legislative base to regulate these issues and keep this business under control. Those. Liberians have no desire in power
                2. Babr 19 September 2015 14: 12 New
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                  Nosgoth

                  Is it necessary ... to write so many letters? And your fingers do not hurt? belay
                  1. Nosgoth 19 September 2015 15: 01 New
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                    Quote: Babr
                    Quote: Nosgoth
                    Nosgoth

                    Is it necessary ... to write so many letters? And your fingers do not hurt? belay



                    Ie. You even have nothing to answer ?! The drain is counted.
                  2. Babr 19 September 2015 15: 14 New
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                    If you disassemble each letter, the whole branch is for .. let's solve.
                    In a nutshell weak?
                    Well, I expressed my attitude to legalized private gang companies.
                    Quote: Nosgoth
                    ?! The drain is counted.
              2. nerd.su 19 September 2015 16: 59 New
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                And when PMCs have an order, let's say for escorting a ship - 5 people, then they select candidates from the list of profiles (personnel officers)

                What you write does not go beyond the scope of usual protection, simply outside of Russia. Why is the company called "military"?
                1. strannik1985 19 September 2015 17: 24 New
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                  And you compare the work of the GDB in any city of Russia and the wiring of a caravan, ensuring the safety of employees somewhere in Iraq or Libya.
                2. nerd.su 19 September 2015 21: 27 New
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                  Posting a caravan is certainly pure water protection.
                  Iraq and Libya ... Well, tell me, what specific security elements, for example, a food warehouse (or the head of this warehouse), are beyond the scope of a security company?
                3. strannik1985 20 September 2015 06: 30 New
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                  What are you saying! And where is it in the vastness of the Russian Federation that PSC needs to "pull the thread"? Tell the RSVG 42 MSD fighters that they can replace their chop. This is a conventional military operation with a lot of nuances, starting with the collection and analysis of information.
                  Which private security company in the Russian Federation provides employees with insurance of 100-250 thousand dollars, which private security company needs employees with good knowledge of English and Arabic, knowledge of the law, skills at the level of special forces soldier, which private security personnel can be attacked by a gang of 50-60 people with CCP, with grenade launchers, am I not talking about JI? These are completely different costs, both financial and organizational.
                4. nerd.su 20 September 2015 11: 44 New
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                  Tell the RSVG 42 MSD fighters that their chop can replace

                  It feels like the military in Russia is ending on the RSVG 42 MSD fighters. But for some reason it seems to me that a sufficient number of trained people from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation found themselves in civilian life in ordinary private security companies. And they will be able to collect and analyze information, and they will also be able to cope with security.

                  Quote: strannik1985
                  Which private security company in the Russian Federation provides employees with insurance of 100-250 thousand dollars, which private security company needs employees with good knowledge of English and Arabic, knowledge of the laws, with skills at the level of special forces soldier

                  A private security company that will undertake such a contract, on which 50-60 people with granotometami can attack it and get it, that will provide insurance to people with knowledge of Arabic ...

                  PMCs grew up in the West in order to provide the former military with a more legal income than remuneration of a mercenary. In fact, PMCs are private security companies created by the former military, and besides pure security, they offer specific services - mine clearance, maintenance of equipment, management of this equipment in countries where the qualifications of local people do not allow local ones to do this, etc. But from this PSC does not cease to be a PSC. And since the military private security companies operate abroad, our Foreign Ministry, it seems to me, strongly against it, does not want to produce work for itself. Here a tanker captured empty and at the same time accused of smuggling and captured in international waters does not know how to get it. And if a patrol ship approaches a tanker in international waters in the economic zone of Nigeria and shakes its trunks with Oto Melara, he will escort him to the port, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will have to somehow explain that the people captured on it with weapons are security for the tanker, and not a detachment of mercenaries for a coup d'etat. And believe me, in a country where a traffic violation is called "$ 100", and their absence leads to a temporary seizure of rights or a car, it will be difficult for our diplomats to explain that former RSVG 42 MSD fighters are only guarding the tanker.
                5. strannik1985 20 September 2015 13: 34 New
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                  It feels like the military in Russia is ending on the RSVG 42 MSD fighters. But for some reason it seems to me that a sufficient number of trained people from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation found themselves in civilian life in ordinary private security companies. And they will be able to collect and analyze information, and they will also be able to cope with security.

                  So do you have a feeling or is there such a level of structure that exists in Russia? And where did I write only about RSVG?
                  In theory, yes, in practice ... it will turn out to be a unique structure that does not fit the criterion of "cost / effectiveness". In practice, private security companies are strangled by the Law on Private Security and Detective Activities, FSUE Okhrana, and there is no field for activity, dumping by private security companies “for a year”. Private security structures in Russia most often have unprofessional and unprepared personnel of security guards (40% with purchased licenses), who (as a rule) work “on wear” on a rotational basis for 15 days for 15-20 thousand, and then returning from work, home, instead of vocational training and rest, they continue to “work hard” on other “part-time jobs”. To what extent do you think the work of such structures is effective?
                  According to statistics, police officers are much more likely to use unreasonable weapons to kill, participate in corruption and criminal scandals, shoot down people at cars at pedestrian crossings, etc., but the LRO’s weapons are taken from the private security companies, inventing orders that he himself does not know how to execute .This is a SYSTEM created by public authorities.

                  A private security company that will undertake such a contract, on which 50-60 people with granotometami can attack it and get it, that will provide insurance to people with knowledge of Arabic ...


                  Probably someday, maybe ... There are no prerequisites for this within the country, primarily based on the criterion of "cost / effectiveness".

                  And since the military private security companies operate abroad, our Foreign Ministry, it seems to me, strongly against it, does not want to produce work for itself.


                  Maybe instead of writing obvious nonsense, you should familiarize yourself with the legal field on which PMCs work? There is a fairly clearly defined framework in which you can work legally, why invent fables?
                6. nerd.su 20 September 2015 23: 16 New
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                  So do you have a feeling or is there such a level of structure that exists in Russia?

                  They do not last long. There are from whom.

                  You paint the problems of chop in Russia. But PMCs operate mainly abroad. But without the political will of the state, this is difficult to do. But you can create a chop in the country of interest. If there is a customer.

                  Quote: strannik1985
                  There is a fairly clearly defined framework in which you can work legally, why invent fables?

                  Why fables? Because so far this has not happened? So everything is ahead.
                7. strannik1985 21 September 2015 08: 49 New
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                  They do not last long. There are from whom.

                  You paint the problems of chop in Russia. But PMCs operate mainly abroad. But without the political will of the state, this is difficult to do. But you can create a chop in the country of interest. If there is a customer.


                  Why is the company called "military"?


                  There is, but in all senses (in fact, legally) it will not be chop.
                  The current legislation does not prevent PMCs from working abroad (Korotkov, article “Does Russia Need a Blackwater. Fontanka), moreover, if the sensational PMC law is adopted it will only prevent the registration of PMCs in Russia.

                  Why fables? Because so far this has not happened? So everything is ahead.

                  Maybe someday, probably ... and this is what you call an argument?
                8. nerd.su 21 September 2015 10: 40 New
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                  The current legislation does not prevent PMCs from working abroad (Korotkov, article “Does Russia Need a Blackwater. Fontanka), moreover, if the sensational PMC law is adopted it will only prevent the registration of PMCs in Russia.

                  It follows that the president and the government are not opposed to the Russian PMCs, but they want their registration not to be connected with Russia. That is, if special services use PMCs, then Russia has nothing to do with it. And if PMCs get stuck on their contracts, then Russia has nothing to do with it again. The Foreign Ministry intervenes only if Russian citizens are detained. And the fact that they work for the Cyprus PMC, Russia has nothing to do with it. Again, a Cyprus-registered company is easier to own with a General of the Ministry of Defense or the FSB. After all, there is no doubt who will own fully or partially such companies.

                  Quote: strannik1985
                  and what do you call an argument?

                  This is an assumption why the Foreign Ministry is not interested. They don’t like extra work in embassies, especially in Africa. But the assumption is real. For in the waters of Nigeria, there is a need to accompany the court? There is. Has Nigeria detained Russian ships? Delayed.
                  And the legality of the contracts of the Nigerian authorities will be of little interest, but the presence of weapons on board a civilian vessel will be of interest. In African languages ​​there is no word corruption. There are other definitions of this phenomenon.
                9. strannik1985 21 September 2015 11: 44 New
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                  It follows that the president and the government are not opposed to the Russian PMCs, but they want their registration not to be connected with Russia. That is, if special services use PMCs, then Russia has nothing to do with it.


                  This bill was created by the efforts of two deputies, closely associated with the security business. The project itself is clumsy and designed for a monopolist who can invest 100 million rubles (registered capital) and take the market. At the same time, 3 more documents on PMCs are being developed in other organizations. Your discussions about the intentions of the president and the government have nothing to do with reality.

                  This is an assumption why the Foreign Ministry is not interested.

                  Therefore, weapons are obtained in neutral waters from floating arsenals for rent.
                  http://z-filez.info/story/chvk-rossii-na-primere-rsb-grupp
                  For example, in Iraq we can work with weapons under the license of our Iraqi partners. However, we also have in our possession reliable small arms that are officially acquired in the country with the permission of regulatory authorities, end-user certificates, export licenses and import licenses have been obtained.

                  We thoroughly study the laws in the country where our work begins, and we know all the requirements for moving with weapons.

                  For example, in India you cannot go ashore with weapons. In this case, the weapon is stored on board in a sealed state.

                  If it is forbidden to enter the territorial waters with weapons, we store weapons on floating platforms in neutral waters. There are many ways, without breaking the law, to carry out their tasks.

                  Some countries allow the movement of security personnel with weapons if they have the correct documents and notify the police.

                  In general, the situation is this: we are a Russian company, and the shipowner’s security contract with us is with us - i.e. with a Russian company.

                  There is information that the case of MORAN GROUP employees in Nigeria was the work of competitors from Misty Albion. What is now to lose profits due to unfair competition?

                  In your opinion, is it better to scratch Russian citizens from the clutches of Somali pirates or militants (2006, Nigeria, abduction of 6 RUSAL employees for ransom)?
                10. nerd.su 3 October 2015 15: 39 New
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                  Your discussions about the intentions of the president and the government have nothing to do with reality.

                  So this is just reasoning. On the other hand, who can invest 100 million rubles and take the market?

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                  In your opinion, is it better to scratch Russian citizens from the clutches of Somali pirates or militants (2006, Nigeria, abduction of 6 RUSAL employees for ransom)?

                  Yes, I’m not protecting our citizens and their property abroad. It is not clear to me why it should be called a private MILITARY company, if the main functions are security? Even if these are special conditions that require special organization, weapons and some specific knowledge. The term "military company" implies that, in addition to security, a company can engage in "attack." And these are pure mercenaries.
                11. Cat man null 3 October 2015 15: 56 New
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                  I don’t understand why it should be called a private MILITARY company.

                  Quote: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Military_Company
                  Private military company (PMC; eng. Private military company) - a commercial enterprise offering specialized services related to the protection, defense (defense) of someone and anything, often involved in military conflictsas well as intelligence gathering, strategic planning, logistics and consulting

                  That is - not only protection. And at the same time, it is not necessarily an “attack”. Using "private traders" directly in hostilities is stupidly expensive. Therefore, they try not to use them yes

                  Quote: bot.su
                  The term "military company" implies that, in addition to security, a company can engage in "attack." And these are pure mercenaries

                  They invented a horror story for themselves, and now you scare others with it. IMHO in vain wink

                  Quote: twviewer
                  Military company based on the name consists of warriors. Warrior is not a guard not nada la la. A private warrior - this is a mercenary

                  Bliiin ... how many of you ..

                  Read at your leisure what PMCs prefer to do. The question will disappear immediately, and will not bother you anymore.

                  Quote: Anecdote
                  Fish is a pike. A pike is teeth. A teeth is a dog. A dog is (a female dog) ..

                  People!! He called me (a prostitute) !!!

                  You the same logic about laughing
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                  They invented a horror story for themselves, and now you scare others with it. IMHO in vain

                  I don’t care. But our lawmakers will not want private issues to include such issues as participation in military conflicts, intelligence gathering, strategic planning, logistics and consulting. Since state monopolies and large companies like Lukoil will use public services, or the services of companies in the country where the business is located.

                  And it doesn’t matter what PMCs prefer to do. It is important that these are military professionals not controlled by the state.
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                  It’s important that these are military professionals not controlled by the state

                  Why are they uncontrollable?

                  - registered in the Russian Federation
                  - exist on the basis of the legislation of the Russian Federation
                  - operate exclusively outside the Russian Federation (inside - no "war" .. no way!)

                  Quote: bot.su
                  participation in military conflicts, intelligence gathering, strategic planning, logistics and consulting

                  - PMCs are not directly involved in "military conflicts", as a rule .. "not theirs" is ..
                  - everything else is only in the interests of the customer company (this, by the way, may be the state. In cases where the state’s participation is "shining" .. it is inexpedient) and only outside the Russian Federation.

                  What is criminal?

                  Read how western PMCs work, it .. will reassure you yes
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                  Read how western PMCs work, it .. will reassure you

                  Yes, it does not bother me. But still interesting, give a link.
                  I'm even for PMCs. The more service people of all ministries and after retirement will be engaged in their military affairs, the better for the state. Moreover, if the salary in foreign currency will be taken home.
                  But our country is still a weak imperialist predator, therefore, demonstrates compliance with world law, close to ideal. Therefore, it is fighting mercenarism, and it’s a very slippery topic these are your PMCs. They would be called private security companies and guard the gates - the attitude would be simpler, otherwise you would give intelligence and consulting.

                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  - operate exclusively outside the Russian Federation (inside - no "war" .. no way!)

                  Yes, for centuries, the requirements for working abroad have been tougher than inside.
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                  (This, by the way, may be the state. In those cases where the "participation" of the state is "shining" .. it is impractical

                  Yes, it can’t. What, no one understands that PMCs is the state?

                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  - PMCs are not directly involved in "military conflicts", as a rule .. "not theirs" is ..

                  you already decide, and then quoted above
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  often with participation in military conflicts, as well as intelligence gathering, strategic planning, logistics and consulting
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    Our army does not even have enough transports to make the right amount of “walker” in Syria alone.

    poor poor MO to rent a dry cargo ship he has neither the means nor the opportunities to see.
    The military company based on the name consists of warriors. Warrior is not a guard not nada la la. And a private warrior is a mercenary.
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    Obviously, this is not quite so. Any military action is politically motivated, and PMCs break this relationship. Therefore, the state is the main customer, and in that context, military and intelligence operations should not be confused with security operations.
    1. Nosgoth 19 September 2015 15: 12 New
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      In any state, if there is any more developed even just a security structure, then its activity is always under the control of the special services with the goal of "if what" to use it in their own interests, without betraying their own participation.

      And PMCs are simply inextricably linked with special services. Not one officer of the special services of the country of “residence” of PMCs is officially assigned to any of the foreign PMCs, but entire departments that coordinate its actions “tell” how best to deal with a contract that affects national interests and, in turn, “feed” PMCs government contracts.
      In the modern world, the need for the participation of the same CIA in foreign operations not of a military nature has disappeared, but a fate in all kinds of internal coups, etc. PMC is entrusted, and those, in turn, if "covered", then the State Department is not at work. Everything is smart and competent. And you don’t need to send your military to protect your own business in dangerous regions.

      This is a projection of power, and without government obligations to other countries.

      How much more time will pass, whipping will reach our simple this true. \

      For example, our “business travelers” ... the same mercenaries, even if for an idea or by order, and not for monetary rewards, but each time these are special cases when the state itself needs to do everything every time from scratch and there is a great danger of getting scorched. If there were PMCs, then this would be done much more quickly, professionally and more safely for the image of Russia.
  • Tanais 19 September 2015 07: 51 New
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    And why bother? FSB, Ministry of Internal Affairs already exists.
    Operations Abroad.


    That's it...

    Operations Abroad.

    Those cases when the "binding" of the state to certain events or phenomena is not desirable.

    I will not set the “foreign” PMCs as an example, Russia has its own way, but the USA, and a number of other countries, are intensively using these “firms” to advance their STATE interests, without “getting involved” in the process.

    Of course, there are no direct analogies with your “vacationers,” but the leadership of the Russian Federation, this way affects the processes in Ukraine ...

    And would it really be bad for someone if the very same “vacationers” were issued as PMCs?

    And they would have acquired some kind of official status, and state ears would stick out less ...
    1. Babr 19 September 2015 08: 19 New
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      Those cases when the “binding” of the state to certain events or phenomena is not desirable

      This is hypocrisy. My hut is on the edge, I don't know anything.
      Such a state does not deserve respect. Like a person.

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      And would it really be bad for someone if the very same “vacationers” were issued as PMCs?

      How can you not understand. The holidaymaker came to defend his homeland. You can’t entice him with cookies. He has an idea. PMCs have an idea, money.
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        This is hypocrisy. My hut is on the edge, I don't know anything.
        Such a state does not deserve respect. Like a person.

        This is POLICY, more than once said that DIRTY business ...

        But that's how it happened, historically. And all states from time immemorial, do not disdain this.

        Alas, c'est la vie.

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        How can you not understand. The holidaymaker came to defend his homeland. You can’t entice him with cookies. He has an idea. PMCs have an idea, money.


        Once again I’ll ask, is it bad (for him and the state) if the same “vacationer” has the status of “PMC” and plus “bonus” - money, a thing, albeit not the main one, but not unimportant in life?
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          This is POLICY, more than once said that DIRTY business ...

          I do not want to live in a pigsty. hi
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            I do not want to live in a pigsty.


            And it’s necessary ... You don’t get dirty yourself, so they will splatter ...

            Therefore, when they throw feces at you, it’s silly to give a second cheek ...

            Need to answer. Not to sentiment, and the desire to "stay clean."

            The dirt around ...
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            Need to answer. Not to sentiment, and the desire to "stay clean."

            The dirt around ...

            Okay. I persuaded. From tomorrow I’m starting a new life.
            I will assimilate the dirty little people that settled here.
            We must also match others.
            How is it?
        2. Nosgoth 19 September 2015 11: 57 New
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          And where do you fall for? To what country? Or just engage in self-denial and go to monks?
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          And where do you fall for? To what country? Or just engage in self-denial and go to monks?

          And I feel good here. This is my land tongue
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          Yes, my friend, ideological libert laughing
  • max702 19 September 2015 10: 23 New
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    How can you not understand. The holidaymaker came to defend his homeland. You can’t entice him with cookies. He has an idea. PMCs have an idea, money.

    Everything is simple here, in the USA the “private trader” is cheaper than a regular army soldier .. PMCs have large one-time payments, and government agencies payouts are extended in time and as a result come out much more (pension, medical care, social insurance insurance). Capitalism uses everything that is cheaper, there was a conscript in Vietnam it was cheaper to use them, now they are contract soldiers, and this is not only long-term expenses but also political problems in case of death or injury, plus a lot of questions about what the hell guys die for someone's financial interests, which also results costs (media, propaganda, etc.) And in the case of PMCs, everyone understands the contract and everything has to fulfill .. This fits perfectly with the way of thinking of the capitalist world. We, as if we didn’t want, are now also part of this world, and therefore must use the competitive advantages of this system, otherwise it’s not two or one and a half .. Stop playing lazy girls, because of this cleanliness, we always lost the world, although all wars won. fairy tales about how to fight for money like zapadlo is hypocrisy, and who then are contract soldiers and officers? You tell me they protect the homeland, well, so the interests of the homeland are very diverse, and I think that personally you would not want to go to the ends of the world by order at least some guarantees of compensation for my risk, I think it’s not necessary to remind you how many conflicts were treated with veterans? An employee of PMCs at least consciously takes risks and agrees to compensate for this risk, it is much better and more honest than in the case of a failure of delicate operations, the state refuses its people ..
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      An employee of PMCs at least consciously takes risks and agrees to compensate for this risk, it is much better and more honest than in the case of a failure of delicate operations, the state refuses its people ..

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      You have well explained ... For delicate operations and protection of PMC facilities, they are quite suitable ... And the state may well conclude contracts with them rather than put on a regular army at strategic facilities abroad, and this may be large enterprises, airfields, oil fields, generally owned unknown to anyone ...
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      We, as if we didn’t want, are now also part of this world, and therefore must use the competitive advantages of this system, otherwise it’s not two and a half

      Personally, I do not want to be part of such a corrupt world.
      We are being pulled there with terrible force. Through the Constitution. Unified State Examination, PMC.
      And such maxes find excuses for this. They are looking for a loophole, as if to adapt.
  • gross kaput 19 September 2015 21: 35 New
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    Babr

    What a pseudophilos compote in your head you mix with youthful maximalism.
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      with youthful maximalism.

      A trifle, but nice. It’s a pity that there’s only one plus in the drum. I would release everything .. lol
  • captain 19 September 2015 09: 49 New
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    I agree with the author that PMCs are necessary in Russia. Laws are needed where restrictions on the actions of these enterprises on the territory of the Russian Federation will be indicated. The author is right that if PMCs (for example, those "hired" by the Verkhovna Rada of Crimea) or in the Donbass participated in Crimea, it is not known how sanctions would be imposed on us. After all, the "democratic" governments of the West do this and the whole world is silent. It would not be necessary to classify our losses in peacetime in the army; there would be no prohibition of our "former" servicemen who were captured by the junta. In the West, PMCs are armed even with aviation and nothing, no one is trying to seize power in the state. PMCs are created to carry out state policy by armed means, without the use of armed forces, i.e. legally, the state is not in business.
    1. SibSlavRus 19 September 2015 11: 43 New
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      Let me support you and add from you. The activities of PMCs (registered in the Russian Federation) include a ton of jobs for state-trained “specialists”, taxes to budgets, and government orders, and some economic organizations will be pulled along with them, etc.
      The activities of PMCs are quite clearly regulated by federal law, as are the activities of private security companies. Not a single PMC is able to withstand, in the event of force majeure, the military and special forces of state structures. You understand that the possibilities will be limited by caliber and types of weapons, and controlled even by the same FSB and MO combined.
      And what, sorry, to hell, mercenarism, if this is an official organization in our country in the commercial register.
      As an example, I will cite the state structures 'hiring' to both Chechen companies through military registration and enlistment offices, or, if someone doesn’t know, then PMCs already have analogues, in fact, at large corporations (with appropriate weapons), VOKhRi and ChOPs, some of which are essentially contractors
      In the future, this is a unique Russian foreign policy toolkit.

      I will give an example (by type of activity I had to observe and collide) from the Former Yugoslavia, where some of our volunteers settled down. So they are engaged in humanitarian mine clearance! Territories, for example Bosnia, where only counted minefields for 70 years of work. And the UN hires them! Question to opponents of PMC idea - is this also an act of mercenary?
      1. novobranets 19 September 2015 15: 24 New
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        The activities of PMCs (registered in the Russian Federation) include a ton of jobs for state-trained “specialists”, taxes to budgets, and government orders, and some economic organizations will be pulled along with them, etc.

        That's completely with you. Here is another aspect. It is no secret that after the end of the service or contract, the "citizen" is well, and sometimes, very well trained specialists who in their lives do not know how to do anything but fight well. Let them better demonstrate their skills in PMCs than in organized crime groups, and such cases are enough. hi
    2. SibSlavRus 19 September 2015 12: 04 New
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      Our PMCs will quickly create real competition for foreigners. The Russian peasants, just from the best side, proved themselves in the world.
      And the activity of PMCs is not only the protection and posting of columns, but also demining, training, humanitarian missions, ensuring the election process in countries with difficult military-political conditions, assisting the army of their country in peacekeeping operations, working for international humanitarian organizations and much more. The scale of organization and financing with state points of view - many times less in terms of mobility and efficiency, too.
      Leasing of military equipment, defense industry products is also possible. And this, you know, stimulates the economy. Plus, the likelihood (most likely) to legitimize combat short-barrels, including and the civilian environment, and improving legislation on the necessary (and long overdue!) self-defense of oneself, loved ones, one’s land, home and property.
      Why immediately put the Russian (possible!) PMCs on the same measuring scale with the same "Black Water" or MPRI, which carried out the liquidation of Srpska Krajina. Its Code of Honor and state ideology, like that of state power structures, and even legally backed up, because no one will be against implementation.
      A so-called dismantling of "clans and organizations" just effectively "takes place" within the framework of the "legal field" using state power structures. The rest is from the field of the theory of the "possibly-probable" in the collapse of the socio-political system.
  • asar 19 September 2015 10: 14 New
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    Tanais!
    Good all!

    Operations Abroad.


    We are not there, but "we" are "there"!
    Briefly - as you want, so understand!
    1. gridasov 19 September 2015 14: 41 New
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      In this area of ​​activity, it is. We are not, but we control the processes. And the strength lies in the fact that the opponent is struggling with the algorithms of circumstances that are modeled and surrounded by him and they are created by these control forces. And the information space consists of objectively perceived information, misinformation, stimulating and many many other parametric information and influencing inf. streams. Again, different levels of potential impact
  • Nosgoth 19 September 2015 11: 12 New
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    You specifically so ... dumb in your comments? Have you ever studied the topic of Russian PMCs at least once? And then your cues show completely different. The essence in PMCs is invested by one (both the state and the owners of PMCs), and you are pushing your fabrications across everyone.
    1. gridasov 19 September 2015 16: 38 New
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      The last thing I would like is for someone to like it or get a plus sign. With information you need to work like a product. You think that I wrote nonsense? Non-standard or, as they say now, creativity of thinking allows us to reveal many not obvious questions. Your answer also has a very definite meaning.
  • serega.fedotov 19 September 2015 09: 14 New
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    PMC. Private company. With what recession will it protect the interests of the state?

    In the United States PMCs are completely controlled by the Pentagon and nothing, they live !.
    If the company the company is truly PRIVATE, you won’t see big contracts (there will be another small firm that will not do the weather, because there’s nothing like that in Russia!)
    And if PMCs will operate under the "roof" of the FSB-MVD-GRU, then in fact it will be just another department in these offices!
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    From the fright, that if their existence (PMC) is allowed under state conditions, they will be forced to fulfill these conditions. YES, no one is against receiving orders from the state. Against co-thinkers who see only black and white.
  • strannik1985 19 September 2015 05: 58 New
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    Example. The West Kurna-2 deposit (developed by LUKOIL) was attacked, the local security (external perimeter) fled, Russian specialists were injured / captured. Will the much saved million help you? Or is it better to kill the resource of the ships of the Russian Navy to protect merchant ships from pirates instead of placing armed teams directly on board the merchants?
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      Or is it better to kill the resource of the ships of the Russian Navy to protect merchant ships from pirates instead of placing armed teams directly on board the merchants?


      Commercial vessels with armed guards ... It seems to go against international standards what .
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        Quote: strannik1985


        Commercial vessels with armed guards ... It seems to go against international standards what .

        The maritime security group “RSB-Group” defended dozens of merchant and scientific Russian and foreign vessels. We saved hundreds of crews from the threat of captivity by armed Somali pirate groups. Since 2012, we have been the first to escort ships by the Maritime Security Groups of the RSB Group, equipped with HyperSpike acoustic cannons.

        Our experience, professionalism and productivity make RSB-Group the best choice for the protection and protection of ships and cruise yachts, transit or standing in the roads in the pirate-dangerous areas of the Indian and Atlantic Ocean. 24 hours a day and 7 days a week, your safety at sea is ensured by the Maritime Security Group “RSB-Group”.
        http://rsb-group.ru/services/marine-operations
  • vladimirZ 19 September 2015 05: 33 New
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    yuriy55, you are wrong. Read the article carefully:
    Oleg Krinitsyn on interaction with the state: “A private military company is a tool to continue state policy. And where it is not always useful and not always advisable to use the armed forces for various political issues, for financial issues, for some temporary parameters, then foreign countries have long been actively using these private military companies, which seem to be private traders, but they work under the state contract.
    - from article

    PMCs in matters of state protection, in the interests of Russia, can and should be used, especially in places where the armed forces of Russia cannot be "exposed", so as not to expose Russia to criticism and all sorts of sanctions.
    PMCs have long been an instrument of international politics, this is an objective reality, and not taking this into account and not using it is stupid.
    As an example, where it is necessary to use PMCs, in addition to those specified in the article, - DRN and LPR, to protect the pro-Russian population, to protect women and children from the Nazis.
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      As an example, where it is necessary to use PMCs, in addition to those specified in the article, - DRN and LPR, to protect the pro-Russian population, to protect women and children from the Nazis.

      Yes, a mercenary is not good for protecting the elderly and children.
      Something to overcome, yes!
      Once he went for the money, he is in their power. They will order to kill old people and children. He will.
      Money does not smell.
      1. vladimirZ 19 September 2015 07: 08 New
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        Once I went for the money ...
        - Babr (2)

        This does not mean anything. Many also go to the Army for good financial maintenance and benefits.
        PMCs are an instrument of international politics in the world. Today this cannot be avoided; it is a reality that does not depend on what desire of one state. They are.

        Learning to use this tool in the interests of the state, the adoption of a legislative framework for them, is an urgent need in the modern world.
        And the more Russia drags on this, considering PMCs, than not good, the more it will lose in the modern world, running into various conflicts and sanctions, because of its "clumsy" work by the armed forces in international crises.
      2. Tanais 19 September 2015 07: 10 New
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        Yes, a mercenary is not good for protecting the elderly and children.


        How to say...

        The Russians are so psychologically unstable (in the best sense of the word) that at any, at the most unpredictable and unexpected moment, even at the mercenary, “demolishes the tower”, and he recalls that he is primarily RUSSIAN.

        With all the "consequences" ...
        1. Babr 19 September 2015 08: 03 New
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          and he recalls that first of all he is RUSSIAN.

          Tanais. Powder brains and he does not remember that he is Russian.
          Or do not Russians chop Russians? Do you have there?
          1. Tanais 19 September 2015 08: 24 New
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            Tanais. Powder brains and he does not remember that he is Russian.
            Or do not Russians chop Russians? Do you have there?


            Those "Russians", but in general Ukrainian nationalists, or just a brainless herd, are a product of the state ideology of Ukraine for 25 years of "independence".

            So why do you not admit that Russia, as a state, is not able to "grow up" its ideologically "verified" fighter (person), in the army, society, and all in the same PMC?

            Yes, I can understand what the article of the constitution on the lack of state ideology as such, which prevails over everything, is in the way ...

            But with this same way, the country lives, and even develops ...
          2. asar 19 September 2015 10: 19 New
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            Tanais!
            But there are Russians in the Foreign Legion, who “urinate” everyone, if only the “grandmothers” would pour in, but there was a length of service! Isn’t that ?!
            They were not fooled by 20 for more than a few years, they themselves, on their own, chose their path!
            Say: they were not in the Donbass ?!
            There were, by P / "interceptions" it was clear!
            They are still there, as indeed in Syria!
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              Tanais!
              But there are Russians in the Foreign Legion, who “urinate” everyone, if only the “grandmothers” would pour in, but there was a length of service! Isn’t that ?!
              They were not fooled by 20 for more than a few years, they themselves, on their own, chose their path!
              Say: they were not in the Donbass ?!
              There were, by P / "interceptions" it was clear!
              They are still there, as indeed in Syria!

              They were in the ranks of the DPR ...
              What do you actually want to challenge?

              The fact that RUSSIAN PMCs created under the “wing” of the GRU of the RF Ministry of Defense will be RUSSIAN in spirit?

              And the “Foreign Legion” differs in that in its ideology the “depersonalization” of the soldier is INITIALLY incorporated.
              And besides, do you imagine the Foreign Legion unit recruited from Russians alone?

              Even the French, for all their frivolity, will not do this.

              God alone knows what the Russians have in mind ...
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                The fact that RUSSIAN PMCs created under the “wing” of the GRU of the RF Ministry of Defense will be RUSSIAN in spirit?


                They will be Russian, which, however, has long been our team, international!
                Which, however, and now! What was, however, in the winter campaign, when the "boiler" was closed with a "lid"!
                Since the interests of the Russian Federation are more important to us than anything else!
                And do not put on a par "Foreign Legion" and us!
                Those - for the "loot", we, no matter how strange it may sound - for the Idea!
                Since (as I already wrote) - for all the time of our stay in HP none of us received a single penny, I won’t repeat, whoever wants to, let him look in the VO archives!
                And what is more important for you - "here is the Russian spirit,
                It smells of Rus! "?
                Or the security of Russia ?!
                Himself from Bashkiria, there are Altaians, there are Ossetians, there are Chechens, there are Russians, there are others, including foreigners!
                Boys you can rely on! Who can show your back!
                With all my Boys I’m always ready to go reconnaissance!
                I’ll add - with each of them I’m ready to go reconnaissance!
                For Tanais - perhaps he went too far with the answer!
                But here I am! Either hot or cold! A little warm, a little cold - I do not accept! (to blame, I’ll spit it out! drinks )
                1. gridasov 19 September 2015 14: 33 New
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                  Ideology is the foundation, but still, this is not all. The life of each specialist is worth a lot of money expressed in knowledge, experience and much more. Therefore, the added value of your work in what YOU get for this further increases the status and incentive for growth and professionalism. And this in no case can not be neglected.
                2. Tanais 19 September 2015 20: 49 New
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                  They will be Russian, which, however, has long been our team, international!

                  This is just "stylistic casuistry." "Russians", "Russians" ...

                  Would there be a USSR, would call this community "Soviet people", and all the problems ...
      3. novobranets 19 September 2015 15: 37 New
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        Yes, a mercenary is not good for protecting the elderly and children.
        Something to overcome, yes!

        Hi, hi. With all due respect, let me disagree with you. A robber mercenary is a stamp that is imposed on us. I don’t argue, there are robbers among them, as they say in Odessa, but it all depends on the employer, if you collect any scum in port taverns or prisons, you will get a gang. And if you take specialists who have passed hot spots, have recommendations from former commanders, or reviews of colleagues, then after an interview, verification, training, etc., you will receive a Team with a capital letter. hi
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          Hi Slava. Unfortunately I could not answer yesterday.
          The word kills me, for the money.
          And whether it’s a gangster, or a special who has passed hot spots.
          Fulfilled the order, (and the order may be far from ethical, in our reality) receive. Do not fulfill, go on foot. lol
          There are only two ways out of this situation. Or break, or leave.
          And the private owner, who does not have state, but his own selfish interests, gives the order.
          From this I conclude. The weapon should be in the hands of the "sovereign" of the person who has taken the oath. hi
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            Well, there's no getting away with money. Firstly, many have families that need to be maintained during a business trip, secondly, a person risks not only health but also life, and he should know that insurance will help his family survive the loss of a breadwinner for some time. As for unethical orders, they don’t fight in white gloves.
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            And the private owner, who does not have state, but his own selfish interests, gives the order.
            It seems to me that patents for this type of activity are not issued by stupid people, they will not give anyone from the street, but they will check who, with whom and how many times.
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            The weapon should be in the hands of the "sovereign" of the person who has taken the oath.

            Upon receipt of the patent, its holder will give more than one oath, and I think he will be explicitly warned what will happen to him, if anything. And surely, the head of the organization will be a man who has seen in his lifetime.
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            There are only two ways out of this situation. Or break, or leave.
            For this, selection is needed. I think preference will be given to former commandos, paratroopers, marines, in general, people with a hardened psyche. Well, this is my vision of PMCs, I do not impose it on anyone. drinks
      4. gross kaput 19 September 2015 21: 40 New
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        The young man does not confuse the soldier, let him howl for money, with a robber and a looter, - you can see from the opposite - the SS troops are regular units of nationality, they fought for the idea, i.e. Perfectly fit your description of the "right" soldiers - but that’s how they became known. Remember? So there is no need to interfere all in one heap for a cheating reception and is designed for a near audience.
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      Quote: vladimirZ
      PMCs in matters of state protection, in the interests of Russia, can and should be used, especially in places where the Russian armed forces cannot be "exposed" so as not to expose Russia to criticism and various kinds of sanctions.
      PMCs have long been an instrument of international politics, this is an objective reality, and not taking this into account and not using it is stupid.


      I carefully read the article and remain in my opinion.

      PMCs? And maybe special services? Maybe the state needs to be consistent in its policies and in relation to its citizens performing "work" (service, assignment) in a foreign territory? It is quite possible that all issues will be resolved through diplomatic negotiations by the services of the country of the subject.

      About the "light up." Undoubtedly, it’s convenient to hide behind the backs of “polite people in military uniforms” or black-haired, bearded Balts (for example). But it’s more correct, decent and worthy, and, most importantly, to solve problems under the State flag according to the state, taking responsibility not only for their actions, but also for the affairs and deeds of servicemen who took the oath of allegiance to this very state. And then to share together the joy of victory and the bitterness of defeat.
      That is the kind of state approach, in my opinion, that it should approach all issues related to service in the armed units of the country and the possible actions of these units in foreign territory.
      1. Cat man null 19 September 2015 19: 21 New
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        No, it's some kind of total Arctic fox yet ..

        Quote: yuriy55
        And maybe special services?

        Yeah .. with heavy weapons and helicopters, for example laughing

        Quote: yuriy55
        It is quite possible that all issues will be resolved through diplomatic negotiations by the services of the country of the subject.

        And if this option is not possible?

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        more correctly, decently and more worthily, and, most importantly, on the state to solve problems under the State flag

        Of course. And get ready to immediately receive the same sanctions (only quite reasonable already) and in a larger volume. And other goodies. On a global scale.

        PMCs are just another tool that the state can operate on. Many states have this tool. The Russian Federation - no. Therefore, the Russian Federation has to invent "vacationers" and other .. deputies.

        What is stupid, in fact yes
        IMHO
      2. gross kaput 19 September 2015 21: 44 New
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        more correctly, decently and more worthily, and, most importantly, on the state to solve problems under the State flag,

        But what a thing - as many as the world did not want absolutely white and absolutely black — however much the maximalists would not like it, there is only gray in the world, it only has shades from almost black to almost white.
  • ava09 19 September 2015 07: 54 New
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    Why did you decide that the task of PMC-stuffing pockets of those in power? From the point of view of the state, this is a convenient tool for continuing politics by force.


    Allow me then to ask you a question: But the state as a whole, as well as the continuation of politics by force, in particular, do not serve the power of those in power?
    1. strannik1985 19 September 2015 16: 34 New
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      I allow it. In the person of the President of the Russian Federation and the government, and only in the background are the owners / founders of these companies .. And also gives you protection, work, education, etc., etc.
      In light of the subject under discussion. Would it be better if our companies use the services of foreign PMCs (who pay taxes to the budgets of their states, employ their specialists, etc.) with all of the following problems or ours?
      1. gridasov 19 September 2015 16: 46 New
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        But you can’t assume that a private company exists abroad, let’s say that it is not a company working on separate forms of interaction according to our interests.
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          Quote: gridasov
          But you can’t assume that a private company exists abroad, let’s say that it is not a company working on separate forms of interaction according to our interests.

          You and Klitschko are not relatives, for an hour?
          1. gridasov 19 September 2015 16: 54 New
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            So you want to say that this cannot be, with all the ensuing consequences?
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              Quote: gridasov
              So you want to say that this cannot be, with all the ensuing consequences?

              I, whip, I want to say that I did not understand the question.

              Because the words are not connected there.

              The only ... laughing
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                Have fun and weird!
  • Ramzaj99 19 September 2015 13: 52 New
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    Quote: strannik1985
    Why did you decide that the task of PMC-stuffing pockets of those in power? From the point of view of the state, this is a convenient tool for continuing politics by force. No one will be indignant at sending PMC employees to Syria, for example, in contrast to sending military personnel, albeit contract service, but supporting Syria in the fight against ISIS is our vital interest, if the militants win, they will come to us, to the Caucasus. And our power structures on our land will already be at war.

    I completely agree. And the fact that Russian PMCs were late to the market by 50-60 years is also unconditional.
    The state has already begun to change the doctrine of its PMCs. And if the state correctly consolidates everything legislatively, then Russia will quickly catch up with the lag. Since there are professionals in military affairs in Russia like nowhere, and professionals of the highest level. And it became clear to everyone that there was no turning back. For PMCs the future. If the state needs to protect its interests abroad, if it is impossible or unwilling to use the army, PMCs go there. If the state needs to show its presence in troubled zones, it’s stupid to drive conscripts there, and peacekeepers need a consultation at the UN, PMCs go there again. If you need to protect your citizens, factories or oil fields abroad, this is again the work of PMCs. Covering civilian ships in the seas, etc. I'm not talking about hot spots where a group of professionals can solve the conflict in the direction in which the state is interested.
    And whoever and how did not relate to PMCs, calling them mercenaries, thugs, and unprincipled personalities, still the future lies with them. Since they have one unrivaled factor, these people get money for exactly what they do, and they take their work absolutely seriously, and if they die, then conscripts abandoned for slaughter, and going to it consciously, and the family in case what gets insurance. So my personal opinion is that they still have the future, and if they are properly legislated into the framework, when private companies do not go into lawlessness, but execute state contracts, and the rest of the contracts are under the strict supervision of the state and relevant special services, and while the time was protected by the state, this would make life easier for many, and most conflicts would nullify.
    1. yuriy55 19 September 2015 19: 15 New
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      The Alpha division in the USSR solved all these problems very effectively. And she trained not in abandoned pioneer camps, polishing her skills and honing her skills ...
      1. gross kaput 19 September 2015 21: 52 New
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        Quote: yuriy55
        The Alpha division in the USSR solved all these problems very effectively.

        What "these" problems did it solve? Alpha and Vympel are narrowly specialized units, the total number of which at that time did not exceed 200-300 people and to use them for, for example, escorting ships is like a supercomputer for playing tetris. so tie up with grandiloquent nonsense.
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        The Alpha division in the USSR solved all these problems very effectively. And she trained not in abandoned pioneer camps, polishing her skills and honing her skills ...

        Compare PMCs and Alpha, this is the top of delirium ....
        It's like comparing warm to hard ......
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    There’s nothing to add))))))
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  • siberalt 19 September 2015 08: 14 New
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    Well, and how do these PMCs differ from punitive, except that the state does not bear any responsibility for their atrocities?
  • Name 19 September 2015 08: 53 New
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    . And the guard (watchman) we have and so 600 000 ...

    And with what fright such confidence about qualifications ...., and. I dare to assure a very worthy work, for the most part the so-called BS. HOPE IN THE COURSE WHO THESE PEOPLE.
  • Nosgoth 19 September 2015 11: 07 New
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    And the contractor in the army does not receive money for the service? It turns out that he is the same mercenary, on a contract with the state.

    So how does he differ from a mercenary on a state contract from PMCs? If the law of the Russian Federation applies to them equally?
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    PMCs for the states are needed - cutting the budget, minimizing losses .. why do they need Russia if it does not pursue an expansionist policy? To cut the budget of MO?
    1. strannik1985 19 September 2015 05: 26 New
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      Do Russian companies, including state ones, have no interests abroad? Do not extract resources in Iraq or do not carry out sea freight?
      I perfectly remember the cries about the war in Chechnya: “Bring our children back,” etc. But the war went on in our territory and no methods other than the military could solve the problem, and now what cry will the organizations of “non-delivering mothers” raise in the event of direct military assistance to the same Syria?
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        I remember very well the cries about the war in Chechnya: “Bring our children back”, etc.


        An unsuccessful example, as well as the use of armed forces in internal conflict. For this, there are internal troops (units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs). And the indignation was only due to the fact that untrained "conscripts" were sent to fight with sufficiently trained and adult "uncles" ...
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          Not only, from 1999 to 2001, according to official figures, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation lost 4572 troops killed and 15549 wounded. If the Armed Forces took part in any conflict, part of the people would be against it because of losses (even if this conflict would be in the interests of the Russian Federation , as it is now in Syria), even if 100% of the participants will be in / out of contract service, I'm not talking about a new reason for sanctions and other things.
  • vkfriendly 19 September 2015 05: 41 New
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    Russia "has not been led" into your "bazaar", for it is impossible to create competitive armed units privately, with one benefit - to fill your pockets. And the guards (guard) we already have 600 ... In addition to everything else, this contradicts the state military doctrine ...

    Complete nonsense, it feels like there are either children or amateurs with great conceit on this site.
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      Vladimir, I would very much like to hear your personal opinion, not
      or children or amateurs with great conceit.
    2. yuriy55 19 September 2015 19: 32 New
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      To say so:
      there are either children or amateurs with great conceit

      need to serve, over 20 years old ... to live in this world for 60 years ...
      I do not impose my opinion, but uphold in an honest argument. If you think that the future of PMCs is justified.
      In addition, I have no doubt that there are more intelligent, more competent specialists on the site. And so spit words at all? request
  • Wolka 19 September 2015 05: 58 New
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    no one was late, PMCs were before in the USSR, but they were called differently, but it wasn’t customary to talk about it in the USSR, the leak went after its collapse, the KGB had a roof, it is now, but still they don’t talk about it on every corner , although today Russian PMCs are reaching a new level, I won’t be surprised if it is in Syria that they will clean strategically important objects from ISIS and other criminal bushes ...
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    Why does a mercenary in the next world have money? Isil is not fighting for money, there the idea is above all. A mercenary for that and a mercenary, he fights for money and dying is not part of his plans.
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      Quote: Shadows
      Isil is not fighting for money, there the idea is above all. A mercenary for that and a mercenary, he fights for money and dying is not part of his plans.

      Oh how !? So they aren’t for money, but for the idea of ​​people being cut in the thousands, are they selling oil and historical artifacts? But why then introduce your monetary unit ideologically? Try to answer these questions and see for yourself that nothing remains of the ideological, but only the brilliance of the golden calf. hi
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        Quote: pv1005
        nothing remains of the ideological, but only the brilliance of the golden calf.
        That's it. And if you recall who is the creator of these “ideological” ones, then you don’t need to prove anything, the popes of ISIS have one God, and his name is Money.
  • Deniska999 19 September 2015 06: 34 New
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    Do we need PMCs? As you know, the loyalty of a mercenary continues until he is paid.
  • DREDD 19 September 2015 06: 35 New
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    Are you late? Of course, I understand the usefulness of PMCs, but they were created in countries where the emergence of a revolutionary situation is EXCLUDED due to well-blinded totalitarianism, in other countries the creation of a large number of such companies will be more dangerous.
  • Sasha75 19 September 2015 06: 36 New
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    Well, what a scope for illegal intelligence activities abroad, and even officially, for this you can even pay the state some campaigns, or you really do not lead all the nishtyaks. Yes, to wander around the world to former employees who are not former and, moreover, with cover in the form of armed comrades.
  • vyinemeynen 19 September 2015 07: 03 New
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    I would rather read that the author considers the PMC market and if it is CLEARING OF THE POPULAR ITEMS IN AFGHANISTAN then go ahead and with the song under the star-striped!
  • Svetovod 19 September 2015 08: 03 New
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    Good deed is not late.
    As long as the political course of Russia becomes independent of the West, the niche of activity for our PMCs is only opening and cannot be occupied by anyone other than us.
    The role of "green men" is just the calling of PMCs.
  • Mordvin 3 19 September 2015 08: 08 New
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    It smells of these PMCs. Like I'm not me, the cow is not mine, but my calf, but he is not responsible for the cow.
  • Strashila 19 September 2015 08: 26 New
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    “You need to understand that when the regular troops pass, a certain empty buffer zone remains behind them. The troops are followed by a private military company that cleans, it’s very dangerous, and it’s natural that the partisan units that carry out attacks remain in the rear. dies "... it’s not even mercenaries, but punitive detachments from which you can always disown, so that the army would always be in white.
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      Quote: Strashila
      it’s not even mercenaries, but punitive detachments from which you can always disown, so that the army would always be in white.

      Well, what to do in such cases? To appeal to decency and conscience of those with whom the army was forced to work? How to do this dirty but very necessary job? At 68m in Czechoslovakia, the army of the German Democratic Republic did this .. And the most surprising thing is that Czechoslovakians have no complaints against the Germans, because they were sent there by the USSR .. all that you have listed and are doing the state now and just as well are rejecting yours trying to stay in white. With PMCs, it will be much easier to do this, but it’s the task of state officials to thoroughly work out the legislative framework, as well as the strict observance of this legislative framework .. there was a mercenary and will be, and since you can’t forbid ugliness, you have to head it and put it in the right direction.
      1. yuriy55 19 September 2015 19: 42 New
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        To appeal to decency and conscience of those with whom the army was forced to work?

        The army must fight against the army (armed forces against the armed forces). The rest of the work must be carried out by special forces.
        See the history of WWII ...
        In addition, a very interesting point: "How will PMC members (employees) resolve issues with state security agencies?" Maybe lying in a ditch with a shot head ...
        1. strannik1985 19 September 2015 20: 04 New
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          Among other things, PMCs have a legal cover for the presence of special services in the region.
          Where do you see the contradiction?
          Mobile and well-equipped companies operating within the framework of state contracts have a number of advantages over state power structures.
          1. The ability to conduct reconnaissance operations of various plans, including the "legend" of intelligence officers of our state.
          2. The absence of a visible relationship with government agencies and thus the lack of "exposure" in case of unsuccessful events.
          3. The absence of an inflated controlling state, which speeds up decision-making in conjunction: the commander of the security group is the project manager.
          4. A private structure can operate “regardless” of the State, and make deliveries to repair Russian military equipment to countries where an official Russian presence is not desirable.
          5. On the basis of the Russian security company abroad, it is possible to deploy a collection point or a place for work for employees of Russian special surveillance teams, again using the “legend” of the Russian security company (PMC).
          6. One of the main advantages of finding such Russian companies abroad is the creation of a kind of operational reserve, armed with modern automatic weapons, communications, encryption and decryption to protect employees of diplomatic missions and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in this country in case of escalation and aggravation of the political and military situation . These security groups will protect and evacuate employees of Russian companies and their families, as well as carry out armed security at embassies and representative offices abroad. A striking example is the evacuation of employees of the Russian Embassy in Libya
          1. gridasov 19 September 2015 20: 10 New
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            Well written. But the main thing is not even what is written, but how you perceive in an expanded format of analysis how, where and why you can use the format of such units as PMCs.
  • Svetovod 19 September 2015 08: 31 New
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    It smells of these PMCs. Like I'm not me, the cow is not mine, but my calf, but he is not responsible for the cow.


    Of course it smells. Well this is the prerogative of all "Black Ops" - black tricks. But the black dealings of the USA in "non-democratic" countries do not mean that we need PMC troops for the same. For the same and in the same form we do not need them. Our army needs “invisible hands” in order to quickly find itself here and there and to oppose evil.
    This army should not be privately owned. She must be hidden.
    He also wrote about the hired army - They tear the treasury in peacetime, and if a war occurs, they flee first.
  • akudr48 19 September 2015 08: 33 New
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    In Russia, private education, private medicine, private science, private prisons, private armies, etc. - this is all a consequence of the indomitable greed of the oligarchs who seized power, and those who are under them, who also want to become a billionaire.
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      In Russia, private education, private medicine, private science, private prisons, private armies, etc.

      Can you give me an example of private Russian prisons and armies? Or just to insert a word?
  • made13 19 September 2015 09: 17 New
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    PMCs - for the state, this is a good option to get rid of people with combat experience, but who are not suitable according to the questionnaire or psychological profile for service in law enforcement agencies. And so they are in plain sight of what they are doing to track simply and if they become 200th, then the state will not incur any costs.
    In the end, it was precisely such individuals that constituted the backbone of organized crime groups in the 90s.
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    We can argue about the fact that we were late for 50-60 years. Our PMCs are owned by Gazprom, Lukoil, EMERCOM, Russian Railways, etc. In essence, PMCs are an instrument of power and pursue its policy at an unofficial level. By protecting the gas pipeline, you can control really huge areas countries including cities, conduct intelligence, collect internal information.
    I think, in connection with the specifics of this service, we don’t know anything about this and what they sometimes write in the media, the percentage of information reality is not more than 10-15%
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      .My PMCs have Gazprom, Lukoil, Ministry of Emergencies, Russian Railways and so on.

      The Ministry of Emergencies is a power ministry, the basis of which is the civil defense forces, and not a private shop.
      Gazprom and Transneft are state-owned companies whose protection has slightly broader powers in the use of weapons. They don’t even have machine guns, what kind of army is this? Even in the case of serious interest in sabotage groups, what thread of the suicide state will have to attract internal troops.
      Well, Lukoil is a private shop and the main occupation of their main chop is the protection and search for drunk workers in shift camps. And then they can’t cope with drunkenness.
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        It’s you who told the whole theory. Actually, TRY STOP the tuple from this department. This group will not even notice you.
        Quote: bot.su
        They don’t even have machine guns, what kind of army is this?
        moreover, there are machine guns in general here, it will be necessary for Gazprom to find them. But it feels like you want to instill such a model that the company Gazprom, Luk and Ros are God's lambs. It's not like that. For these little firms (because offshore, not state capitalism) . And the more successful the loot these companies pump to London, the stronger will be the screams from the disadvantaged. The disadvantaged --- yell louder! When the thieves wealthy open the window of their Mercedes, you will be heard)))
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          TRY STOP the motorcade from this department. This group will not even notice you.

          Which department? I came across the protection of Gazprom, Transneft and Lukoil not in motorcades, but at the facilities. Police functions. Well, like the Cossacks before the revolution-the protection and maintenance of order.



          Quote: Thunderbolt
          .For these firmochki (because offshore, not state capitalism).


          Let’s specifically. How many shares of Gazprom or Transneft are in offshore?
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    A real soldier will never go to serve in the PMC, otherwise he is just a mercenary, and the word homeland means nothing to him. Personally, I will be glad if there are no such offices in my country, I don’t want to live on someone else’s blood like you. The article is a clear minus.
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    "Russian PMCs are late for this market years on 50-60"

    Russia "has not been led" into your "bazaar", for it is impossible to create competitive armed units privately, with one benefit - to fill your pockets. And the guards (guard) we already have 600 ... In addition to everything else, this contradicts the state military doctrine ...

    Our army and navy reliably protects us, it feeds its military-industrial complex well !!!
    soldier


    I agree, murderous for money is an infamy! PMCs are not private security companies, they are fighting, not guarding, they are just killers for money. There are lovers of killing, and so in PMCs they combine business with pleasure. It would be better if we were late forever!
  • SCHWERIN 19 September 2015 10: 38 New
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    Quote: strannik1985
    Example. The West Kurna-2 deposit (developed by LUKOIL) was attacked, the local security (external perimeter) fled, Russian specialists were injured / captured. Will the much saved million help you? Or is it better to kill the resource of the ships of the Russian Navy to protect merchant ships from pirates instead of placing armed teams directly on board the merchants?

    You dear do not understand anti-piracy actions! You cannot attach a warship to each merchant ship. See traffic through Suez. Not enough world navy.
    Pirate Tactics - Speed. Appear suddenly, go boarding. Everything, the ship is captured. Hostages. Then only an assault, with victims. PMCs are on duty 24 hours. The soldiers are armed. And often pirates, seeing that on board the soldiers of PMCs, bypass the ship.
    There are a lot of specialists on the site on all issues .....
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      There are a lot of specialists on the site on all issues .....

      Here, rather in a one-sided assessment - as well as with the legalization of weapons - a real hysteria rises instantly - aaa defenseless, they all go to kill me right away ... So here - mercenaries, thugs, traitors ...
      No one even looks at the fact that the main tasks are precisely in the guard, and not in punitive operations.
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      Actually, that's what I was talking about, re-read the original message.
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    American 300-500 dollars per day, we have 10 times less. Why? Are the bosses rowing themselves? bosses are not smart enough to conclude a profitable contract?
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      Quote: Free Wind
      American 300-500 dollars per day, we have 10 times less. Why? Are the bosses rowing themselves? bosses are not smart enough to conclude a profitable contract?

      Not quite right - the same guards on the ships - 200 killed raccoons per day, but those who guard stationary objects are smaller.
  • rosov 19 September 2015 11: 53 New
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    PMCs can be used by the RF Armed Forces to cover armed operations abroad; they are not needed on the territory of the Russian Federation.
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    I’ll say right away that the article is not the statements of this gentleman that do not inspire confidence “if there were PSCs in Syria, this would happen), this one statement, like a serious official, raises some questions. And how would you help Syria? Another statement Russia was late ...
    , I’ve been late, with proper funding, all this is compensated, and this market is in demand and, if desired, our companies will seriously compete with Western and American (not everywhere, it will depend on the region), you can still ask a question about working abroad and the owners of this gentleman
  • iouris 19 September 2015 13: 41 New
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    Russia was 299 years too late with capitalism for years, hence the “problems” with PMCs. But we are developing in a trend.
    The hired army in which they serve under the contract most closely matches the capitalist form of ownership. From here it’s close at hand to PMCs. Since the mercenary does not have a nationality, why not, if necessary, buy PMC services on the world market for these services.
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    PMCs are not only units authorized to conduct certain military operations. This is, first of all, in the light of the rapidly changing circumstances of the whole structure of life, and a new opportunity to practice new types of tactical actions. This is a unique opportunity to develop new types of specific weapons. In any case, war is a kind of art, and therefore approaches are changing to optimize and increase the effectiveness of military operations. And here it is worth saying that many innovative developments can give a significant advantage in the achievement and implementation of the tasks set. In general, who understands, he will understand.
  • strannik1985 19 September 2015 15: 34 New
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    [quote = Babr] [quote = strannik1985] [/ quote]
    Vladimir. Think about the words. Private Military Campaign. Private, and also military. For actions behind the cordon, this is a criminal armed organization. If it has not been hired, this is the state. But this is already a mercenary.
    For domestic action, gang formation. [/ Quote]

    So. If you decide to express your opinion, then maybe it was worth a little familiarization with the topic of discussion? PMCs operate in accordance with international law and the laws of the host country. There is a fairly clear framework between mercenarism and the provision of military services by a private military company.
    Almost all large Russian companies operating abroad, including in areas with high terrorist activity, use either local personnel or security guards from other countries for their protection, mainly the British, Americans and South African citizens.
    From the point of view of state security of the Russian Federation, this is not acceptable. Why?
    1.1. Cost overruns, a huge corruption component, the creation of conditions for a system of “kickbacks” and the withdrawal of money from the company's turnover for various needs not controlled by the Russian tax authorities abroad. Moreover, most often, for work abroad, Russian companies use offshore companies. A vivid example - LUKOIL Overseas LTD used British PMCs for protection, payment of 1 British pounds per day per person, this created an enormous financial burden, subsequently the services were refused in favor of the local Iraqi PMCs, naturally with a deterioration in the quality of protection.
    2. An object guarded by the Americans can be attacked by militants simply because of the nationality of the guards.
    3. Local guards may be the target of an attack due to religious affiliation, as a result of professional affiliation of the families of the guards (like a layer cake-brother in the militia, a matchmaker in the police, etc.).
    4. The staff owns various forms of access to various commercial and classified information, which, in principle, interests the special services of the country on behalf of which the security company operates. Blackmail, bribery, recruitment, industrial espionage, abduction and murder. A striking example of this is the abduction of six RUSAL employees in Nigeria for the purpose of ransom in 2006.

    [quote = strannik1985] PMCs like a knife, you can kill a person, or you can remove appendicitis [/ quote]
    Pay. And removing the appendix, it will kill.
    Am I wrong? [/ Quote]
    If, at the same time, PMCs are blacklisted and lose their license, no, reputational and financial losses are too great.
    Understand one simple thing - one way or another, Russian companies will conduct business abroad and use the services of PMCs, ours or foreign.
  • sogdianec 19 September 2015 17: 22 New
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    Can Muslim Brotherhood or ISIS firm use the services of Russian PMCs?

    PS
    Those who put an equal sign between Russian servicemen and mercenaries just because they receive money are cheap themselves. They just sell their mom for loot.

    The concept of Homeland and Honor does not exist for everyone here.
    1. iouris 19 September 2015 21: 29 New
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      [quote = sogdianec] The concept of Homeland and Honor is not for everyone here.
      It is not that simple. The point is not that “servicemen receive money”, but in the framework of which socio-economic formation, who pays them and for what.
      The "honor" of a nobleman is understandable, but the nobleman does not have the concept of "Homeland", but has a clear vassal relationship with the sovereign, whom he can sometimes choose. So, after Poltava and the flight of Charles XII, the Baltic (Swedish) nobles switched to Russian service, became Russian. They could not have paid money to the nobleman: the nobleman had at least a village, the serfs that kept him, tax people.
      The "honor" of a soldier of the Red and Soviet Army is not afraid of suffering and death in the struggle for the cause of communism, steadfastly endure the hardships and deprivations of military service (together with a family, which, in principle, is not considered). For a soldier of the Soviet Army, “Homeland” is a socialist Fatherland, a world socialist system. He was a soldier and at the same time a fighter for the triumph of communism throughout the world.
      There is no need to fight for the affirmation of the principles of capitalism. They are already approved.
      Things like "Homeland" and "honor" in the framework of bourgeois morality can be sold. But the bourgeois buys, not an honor, but the ability to do the work and only at the market price (or lower) to make a profit. The hired worker, being sold, cannot dictate a price to himself. The essence of bourgeois entrepreneurship: if 300% of the profits, then there is no crime for which he will not dare, even under pain of the gallows. Moreover, one cannot blame him for this: he cannot change his essence.
      Capitalism is a global system. The Government of the Russian Federation in 1991 headed for the inclusion of the Russian economy in the processes of globalization. But the bourgeoisie, which exploits the population, does not have a fatherland, so capital flees to offshore, that is, to the United States and Great Britain.
      Before a soldier who has only one life, sooner or later these important questions must arise. They are answered by ideology. But in 1991, our ideology was abolished as not meeting international standards.
      Now for the rhetorical question: [quote = sogdianec] Can Muslim Brotherhood or ISIS firm use the services of Russian PMCs? [/ quote]
      The leaders of these structures, in principle, are PMCs themselves. But for the mass they still formulated "ideology". They are not organizing a show for the sake of cutting off the heads of the “infidels,” but for the approval of their ideological postulates. The masses of the Middle Eastern proletarians do not die for money, or not only for money. But, dying, they bring the owners of this business. If you pay Russian PMCs, then the profitability of the business will fall. But the question is self-explanatory.
  • Earnest 19 September 2015 21: 49 New
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    I do not understand the tantrums about the word "private". Let's remove this word, leave "Military company". Well, like a Commercial Bank. Well, if, for example, like this:
    "Joint-stock company" Military company "Polite people". TIN XXXXXXXX; BIN XXXXXXXXXXXXX; List of Affiliates: 1. Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - 1% of ordinary shares, 2. Federal Property Management Agency - 99% of ordinary shares.
    Is that okay? Now you can understand the likely place and possible role of such an institution in the modern security business? laughing
  • sanyavolhv 19 September 2015 23: 03 New
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    health.
    read the name. and I was struck by HI HI, to tears, my relatives looked at me as an idiot, well, well, I am.
    what kind of NOT smart writer wrote this headline? it seems that the author has no idea about competition. give our guys political help and in a couple of years no other PMCs will remain in the world.
  • sogdianec 20 September 2015 06: 58 New
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    Quote: iouris
    Things like "Homeland" and "honor" in the framework of bourgeois morality can be sold.


    Let me disagree. Examples: Israel is not a communist country, who will say that there are no patriots in the army? The Russian, Russian armies at all times, and under the autocracy and the Communists did not fight for the "loot". A. Suvorov and M. Kutuzov did not serve the Tsar and the Fatherland for their high salary.


    It all depends on the patriotic education of youth. From what is primary for future officers, sergeants, soldiers, serving the Fatherland or receiving considerable salaries and benefits. Psychology of a patriot or mercenary. And what class system in the country is the tenth matter.

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    Yes, and dumb for their loot to give their lives.
    1. iouris 20 September 2015 20: 59 New
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      Israel is an almost socialist country or almost a national socialist one. This explains a lot. But I would look at the patriots there if they were not provided with overwhelming technological superiority. There are no minerals, but practically no water. With a ratio of 2 to 100 without technological superiority, you won’t fight for a long time, well, maybe five days, and then Chabad ...
  • Jan Ivanov 20 September 2015 18: 31 New
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    Oh, not a fact. Firstly, I can’t even imagine that such organizations would be absolutely independent from the state. Otherwise, any organized crime group is actually PMCs, and he’ll dump us, it’s not us who are bad, it’s the bad guys who hired us. That is, the customer, director and producer is the state. And if someone needs their services, then please contact the director. Secondly, there is no alternative on the market. And here are such Russian PMCs. Sorry, Russia Today also came to a completely formed market. And tore it up. The desired and long-desired alternative just appeared.
  • Yasondinalt 21 September 2015 21: 24 New
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    Nothing, we slowly harness.